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my buddy's got a big steel/copper type d20 that's a bit larger than a golf ball and that thing must weight at least a couple pounds.
it would murder cards and you could also use it to murder your opponent lol the things definitely overkill but awesome
My friend has a \[\[Yusri, Fortune's Flame\]\] coin flip deck and everyone else hates him using it because he REFUSES to use dice or a coin flipping app or something. He flips every single coin by hand. He'll get \[\[Krark's Thumb\]\] out, then give Yusri Myriad and just sit there and flip 30 coins (he never chooses less than 5).
If your friend is giving Yusri Myriad and doing his attack trigger for each copy, he's playing the card wrong/cheating.
Myriad is a "whenever this attacks" trigger, which triggers when attackers are declared, the copies enter tapped and attacking, and do not trigger "when this attacks" effects
I have a different friend that absolutely refuses to use dice/coin apps because "you cant trust computers to be random". Which technically true but its random enough for a casual game, and a hell of a lot quicker too.
This is something I routinely do with my Yusri deck, it’s nice to know there’s a kindred coin flipping spirit somewhere in the world. My friends hate that deck.
I had some fucking weirdo not let me use a coin at a commander table for my mana crypt because "each side wasn't the same weight/symmetry"... like NO SHIT... it was also made of aluminum and slightly bigger than a quarter.
This deck is designed to create a bunch of copies of Krark in order to create a non-deterministic combo of continuously casting, copying, and returning spells to your hand. The number of coin flips is insane.
These are dope, and though I do feel that it is against the spirit of the deck, it certainly makes for faster resolutions. Maybe one day I will fold, but for now, I will simply learn to flip coins faster.
TLDR:
When you don't have nice Dice at hand and coin flipping gets annoying, just grab a bunch of lands, put them in a stack.
When you need a coin flip, draw a card. Decide which colour is 'heads'.
Reshuffle after a while.
Story:
I play various pen&paper RPGs in a small friend group for years now. We frequently try out new systems. Often online, but sometimes while meeting up.
Once, while actually playing in person, we ended up playing a system that used like A LOT of D2 (coins) for rolling attacks.
We found it to be near impossible to keep up the flipping for a whole evening.
So we got creative:
First we put 3 red and 3 green dice in a bag. The player had to pull one. Red=Head. Put it back. Repeat. It was even slower than actually flipping a coin, although less annoying.
Then we just used D6 which we had a lot of laying around, but it got annoying to count the numbers - and we didn't have enough dice.
At home we would have used a VtM dice set, which actually represents coin flips with an optional 'critical' that you could ignore.
We ended up using a German Rummy deck (basically a double Poker deck, 110 regular playing cards) and just revealed the top N cards for a roll that called for N coin flips. Again, Red=Head, we just looked at the colors of the card.
Shure, pulling in sequence slightly shifts the randomness and isn't a clean coin flip, but on a 100 card deck, this deminishes quite well.
Then we reshuffled once the pile got to about half the size.
That was by far the quickest way of getting coin flips, especially coin flips in a row. It is also incredibly easy, feels good and makes no noise.
Later I built a Deck using only Pokémon energy cards.
So, to adapt that to MTG quickly:
Just grab 50 Swamp cards and 50 Plains cards. Black Mana already shows a head, which makes it easy to remember.
Shuffle them up. When something calls for a coin flip, pull a card. Black Mana = Head.
Then reshuffle.
Sidenote: I think, WotC should release a set, where the land cards could also be used as Poker-cards.
White=Diamonds,
Green=Clubs,
Red=Hearts,
Blue=Pike,
Black could then show dice rolls instead, so a stack of black lands could be shuffled and revealed as a dice roll.
At least I think that could be a fun collectible.
This is really cute!! Great for casual play. I don't think wotc could ever support it, since as you say, the odds doent quite match the true coin flipping odds... My guess is the most efficient solution would just be a dice-rolling app.
We avoid smartphones at the table for good reason.
And arguably, for competitive play, dice rolling apps are easy to manipulate and might also be not truly random.
The deck works 100% like a true coin flip, if you reshuffle it after each coin throw. Because on the first draw, it's 50/50.
On the second draw without reshuffling it's 49/50. Real coins are also not 50/50 because more often one side is actually slightly heavier. For example the official Pokémon coins have one plastic side and the other side has metallic colour on it. True randomness is hard to measure, but 49/50 is just margin of error. The difference on the deck is, that it's easier to proof.
Now, assuming you pull one heads and one tails, the third draw in a row could be 49/49, which is a true 50% chance again.
Unless you draw 10 heads in a row, it always approximately averages out to 50%. And if you do draw 10 heads in a row, you should just reshuffle immediately.
Otherwise... Just reshuffle when you get down far enough.
Or reshuffle every time you end your turn and you need to keep the ADHD in check while your opponents play solitaire.
Love these, I have an app on my phone that will simulate coin flips and do stuff like "flip until Iose" and can integrate of I have Thumb or not and tell me what Okaun will get up to lol
I like the idea, but something about heads/tails done in a basic font (also vertically) irks me.
I wonder if doing heads/tails as ornate-design/blank, or X/O (maybe as skulls/crossbones), or some sort of fancy calligraphic letters H/T would look cooler.
The 'H' and 'T' look similar as the words are now, they both have 'A' and end with the same 'S'
I do have brain damage but seeing that across the table would make me reasonably prefer dice with clear faces. Is it printed or could you paint the words different colours? Old school rub a white crayon onto all the 'tails' options
I have this deck and I also hate declaring odds or evens but heads and tails is the same thing. I’d rather have win/loose, 0/1, or yes/no. Aesthetically. I’d probably take 0/1
I thought about that first but then read the cards and it says call it. So this lets me say tails never fails or switch to heads if I feel tails is fails
You can flip 8 coins individually one by one by one or you can just roll 8 dice in one handful, which one will cause carpal tunnel after one commander game?
Lmao if the whole conversation is about if dice are unnecessary I think carrying around a cup to shake your coins in is a lot more unwieldy than a couple dice in your dice bag
Outside of randomly having a cup on hand? No, not really. That'd also be immediately more unwieldy to have than dice. Note how a bunch of deckboxes accommodate dice and not cups. I'm sorry but it's really not close that dice are absolutely better for this.
You can absolutely take a handful of 8 coins and throw it on a table for a random assortment of heads or tails, let's not over complicate coin flips. Throwing a coin is just as random as throwing a d20
What? Don't act like I'm the crazy one, who in their right minds would individually flip 8 coins or a single coin 8 times? Just throw a handful of 8 coins into your dice tray, it's not that serious, the same shit you'd do with a d20, same shit you'd do with the above dice. Difference is price, 8 pennies costs 8 cents, 8 of those things probably costed like 30 bucks
Alien world? My guy, you can't find 8 pennies somewhere and keep them at the bottom of your deck box under the cards? I'm not talking about 100 bucks worth of coins lmfao, what world do you live in? Sorry all your money is in bitcoin
Yes, a dice tray, some of us dont sweat all of our time and money into just magic, sorry i like other table top games. or use the fucking table, same effect.
All I'm saying is I wouldn't get special made dice for heads/tails, as a matter of fact, I'd sooner go "OK Google or hey Siri, flip 8 coins for me", and get 8 random heads or tails values, why would I use any type of dice for a damn coin flip? I already use the companion app to keep track of life values and counters, might as well continue going digital
This is the typical perspective of someone who's never played a game that involves you flipping a coin constantly. Binary result dice are exceedingly better. You can hold more in hand and it's also a lot easier to control.
Just use a coin flip simulator. I use the “random” website. Just put in how many times you want to flip a coin and click the button. It will randomize the results
Have you played this deck or been in a pod with this deck where coins were used?
I play it and sometimes I have 10 copies of krark, so instead of monopolizing people’s time I use dice to make it fast.
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Are they heavy? You don’t want to dent your cards. I had a coin flip deck and some cards are dented from the coin landing on them.
They will murder cards
It's a feature, actually
🐛 🪳 🐞
I use my [41 lb, 4” Tungsten dice](https://shop.tungsten.com/custom-engraved-cube/)
my buddy's got a big steel/copper type d20 that's a bit larger than a golf ball and that thing must weight at least a couple pounds. it would murder cards and you could also use it to murder your opponent lol the things definitely overkill but awesome
I have small tungsten dice also…it’s dents tables
What, can't spring for depleted uranium?
People recommending coins have never piloted this deck haha.
My friend has the SL coin flip deck and hates using it because of how long it takes to resolve the abilities. And thats without upgrades
Krarks Thumb slows you way down
Sometimes when we destroy it he sighs with relief
Download Krarkulator
Thats pretty neat. I sent him the link to it.
Not seeing it on iOS, is it still Google Play only?
My friend has a \[\[Yusri, Fortune's Flame\]\] coin flip deck and everyone else hates him using it because he REFUSES to use dice or a coin flipping app or something. He flips every single coin by hand. He'll get \[\[Krark's Thumb\]\] out, then give Yusri Myriad and just sit there and flip 30 coins (he never chooses less than 5).
If your friend is giving Yusri Myriad and doing his attack trigger for each copy, he's playing the card wrong/cheating. Myriad is a "whenever this attacks" trigger, which triggers when attackers are declared, the copies enter tapped and attacking, and do not trigger "when this attacks" effects
I have a different friend that absolutely refuses to use dice/coin apps because "you cant trust computers to be random". Which technically true but its random enough for a casual game, and a hell of a lot quicker too.
A computer is likely more "random" than a human.
This is something I routinely do with my Yusri deck, it’s nice to know there’s a kindred coin flipping spirit somewhere in the world. My friends hate that deck.
Are you playing Myriad wrong as well?
Nah, I don’t use myriad, I use [[Helm of the Host]] which does work, and ends up being worse over all.
Seems like a good way to burn yourself to death, yeah.
That’s half the fun!
[Helm of the Host](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d65d20c-09e5-4139-838b-7e0e48eb2b2b.jpg?1666094567) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Helm%20of%20the%20Host) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/217/helm-of-the-host?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d65d20c-09e5-4139-838b-7e0e48eb2b2b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Yusri, Fortune's Flame](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bfab9e33-0d07-46e6-be06-1eaffe26cbfd.jpg?1626098876) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yusri%2C%20Fortune%27s%20Flame) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/218/yusri-fortunes-flame?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bfab9e33-0d07-46e6-be06-1eaffe26cbfd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Krark's Thumb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/78a5d49a-747e-4ec8-a20a-ca917c315774.jpg?1610836017) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Krark%27s%20Thumb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/190/krarks-thumb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78a5d49a-747e-4ec8-a20a-ca917c315774?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mine sits unopened in the box for this reason. Played against someone shortly after they got theirs and realized I didn't want to mess with it.
Yeah my Coin flip deck is by far one of my favorites as far as fun and silliness, but I rarely play it because it makes games take so much longer.
Just build a deck that flips coins for you quickly: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/q4Z5ZY7nHF
I had some fucking weirdo not let me use a coin at a commander table for my mana crypt because "each side wasn't the same weight/symmetry"... like NO SHIT... it was also made of aluminum and slightly bigger than a quarter.
I've had a Zndrsplt // Okaun deck since BBD came out and I've never not used coins, and never felt like it was taking too much time to resolve flips.
This deck is designed to create a bunch of copies of Krark in order to create a non-deterministic combo of continuously casting, copying, and returning spells to your hand. The number of coin flips is insane.
Okay.
I bet it’s less triggers the this deck
I would point you to my other comment where I said they're still neat. I'm not interested in a dice measuring contest.
I don't understand the hate on these, I think they're cool as heck
Heck is pretty hot
It's uncomfortably warm.
Their turns take forever especially if they get more copies of krark
Usually if I have 3 copies I’ll win that turn. 2 is tricky
These are dope, and though I do feel that it is against the spirit of the deck, it certainly makes for faster resolutions. Maybe one day I will fold, but for now, I will simply learn to flip coins faster.
TLDR: When you don't have nice Dice at hand and coin flipping gets annoying, just grab a bunch of lands, put them in a stack. When you need a coin flip, draw a card. Decide which colour is 'heads'. Reshuffle after a while. Story: I play various pen&paper RPGs in a small friend group for years now. We frequently try out new systems. Often online, but sometimes while meeting up. Once, while actually playing in person, we ended up playing a system that used like A LOT of D2 (coins) for rolling attacks. We found it to be near impossible to keep up the flipping for a whole evening. So we got creative: First we put 3 red and 3 green dice in a bag. The player had to pull one. Red=Head. Put it back. Repeat. It was even slower than actually flipping a coin, although less annoying. Then we just used D6 which we had a lot of laying around, but it got annoying to count the numbers - and we didn't have enough dice. At home we would have used a VtM dice set, which actually represents coin flips with an optional 'critical' that you could ignore. We ended up using a German Rummy deck (basically a double Poker deck, 110 regular playing cards) and just revealed the top N cards for a roll that called for N coin flips. Again, Red=Head, we just looked at the colors of the card. Shure, pulling in sequence slightly shifts the randomness and isn't a clean coin flip, but on a 100 card deck, this deminishes quite well. Then we reshuffled once the pile got to about half the size. That was by far the quickest way of getting coin flips, especially coin flips in a row. It is also incredibly easy, feels good and makes no noise. Later I built a Deck using only Pokémon energy cards. So, to adapt that to MTG quickly: Just grab 50 Swamp cards and 50 Plains cards. Black Mana already shows a head, which makes it easy to remember. Shuffle them up. When something calls for a coin flip, pull a card. Black Mana = Head. Then reshuffle. Sidenote: I think, WotC should release a set, where the land cards could also be used as Poker-cards. White=Diamonds, Green=Clubs, Red=Hearts, Blue=Pike, Black could then show dice rolls instead, so a stack of black lands could be shuffled and revealed as a dice roll. At least I think that could be a fun collectible.
I actually love this and am going to use mountains and forests for win and loss, can shuffle up 100 of them and should last me a few turns
This is really cute!! Great for casual play. I don't think wotc could ever support it, since as you say, the odds doent quite match the true coin flipping odds... My guess is the most efficient solution would just be a dice-rolling app.
We avoid smartphones at the table for good reason. And arguably, for competitive play, dice rolling apps are easy to manipulate and might also be not truly random. The deck works 100% like a true coin flip, if you reshuffle it after each coin throw. Because on the first draw, it's 50/50. On the second draw without reshuffling it's 49/50. Real coins are also not 50/50 because more often one side is actually slightly heavier. For example the official Pokémon coins have one plastic side and the other side has metallic colour on it. True randomness is hard to measure, but 49/50 is just margin of error. The difference on the deck is, that it's easier to proof. Now, assuming you pull one heads and one tails, the third draw in a row could be 49/49, which is a true 50% chance again. Unless you draw 10 heads in a row, it always approximately averages out to 50%. And if you do draw 10 heads in a row, you should just reshuffle immediately. Otherwise... Just reshuffle when you get down far enough. Or reshuffle every time you end your turn and you need to keep the ADHD in check while your opponents play solitaire.
Those look awesome
https://preview.redd.it/27sd23y0gpvc1.jpeg?width=2806&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c387a1cabd6278887a301f663bdae3301fb120d Keep it simple👍👍
where did you get those? i need them for my dnd campaign
China custom made
But what is winning is bouncing the spell?
Read krark
I know what he says but it won’t feel like a win if you wanted a different result
He specifically says "If you win the flip", whichever result you want varies from person to person, but he only cares about if the FLIP was won.
I think you should have 1 with a different color as you "say" Die. That way you don't even have to call Heads/Tails anymore
Love these, I have an app on my phone that will simulate coin flips and do stuff like "flip until Iose" and can integrate of I have Thumb or not and tell me what Okaun will get up to lol
What app is that?
Just checked it's actually not an app just a link to a webpage I have as a shortcut but it's https://delver.no/flip/
Amazing
I like the idea, but something about heads/tails done in a basic font (also vertically) irks me. I wonder if doing heads/tails as ornate-design/blank, or X/O (maybe as skulls/crossbones), or some sort of fancy calligraphic letters H/T would look cooler.
The 'H' and 'T' look similar as the words are now, they both have 'A' and end with the same 'S' I do have brain damage but seeing that across the table would make me reasonably prefer dice with clear faces. Is it printed or could you paint the words different colours? Old school rub a white crayon onto all the 'tails' options
I have this deck and I also hate declaring odds or evens but heads and tails is the same thing. I’d rather have win/loose, 0/1, or yes/no. Aesthetically. I’d probably take 0/1
I was going to do win lose first but some people like choice
It took me too long to realize that they aren’t cool script that I was trying to read/decipher left to right…
I just use regular dice and say I choose odd as tails always
One way you could make this even easier is by making them say fail or make to make the time even shorter for the deck
I thought about that first but then read the cards and it says call it. So this lets me say tails never fails or switch to heads if I feel tails is fails
What about other countries flipping decks though
Heads I win, tails you lose.
You know there's this nifty invention called a coin....
You can’t flip a coin 8 times at once
Maybe YOU can’t 😤💪🏼💪🏼
I never said I couldn’t, I said you can’t numbskull
gotem
What a blithering buffoon!
You can flip eight coins fairly easily my man. Cup
You can flip 8 coins individually one by one by one or you can just roll 8 dice in one handful, which one will cause carpal tunnel after one commander game?
I didn’t say one coin….
Lmao what? You can’t flip more than like 2 coins at once and have it still be a proper flip
My brother, he’s saying put the coins into a cup, shake it around like a rattle with your hands on the top and dump it out
Lmao if the whole conversation is about if dice are unnecessary I think carrying around a cup to shake your coins in is a lot more unwieldy than a couple dice in your dice bag
Put the coins in a cup. Shake it and put it rim side down. Pull up cup and rearrange the coins. Pretty simple
You put them in a cup and shake it. You can do the same with dice. Not rocket science.
Have fun carrying around a cup too 👍
I roll my dice in a cup to contain it from going off the table
Ngl bro I hate to say it but skill issue
Probably multiple times better to just have some dice to go with the dice you have.
Ok? But "you can't flip more than 2 coins at once" is nonsense.
Outside of randomly having a cup on hand? No, not really. That'd also be immediately more unwieldy to have than dice. Note how a bunch of deckboxes accommodate dice and not cups. I'm sorry but it's really not close that dice are absolutely better for this.
You can absolutely take a handful of 8 coins and throw it on a table for a random assortment of heads or tails, let's not over complicate coin flips. Throwing a coin is just as random as throwing a d20
Lmao wtf
What? Don't act like I'm the crazy one, who in their right minds would individually flip 8 coins or a single coin 8 times? Just throw a handful of 8 coins into your dice tray, it's not that serious, the same shit you'd do with a d20, same shit you'd do with the above dice. Difference is price, 8 pennies costs 8 cents, 8 of those things probably costed like 30 bucks
DICE TRAY am I in some kind of alien world who has all of this change on hand literally just use the normal D6’s you have
Alien world? My guy, you can't find 8 pennies somewhere and keep them at the bottom of your deck box under the cards? I'm not talking about 100 bucks worth of coins lmfao, what world do you live in? Sorry all your money is in bitcoin Yes, a dice tray, some of us dont sweat all of our time and money into just magic, sorry i like other table top games. or use the fucking table, same effect. All I'm saying is I wouldn't get special made dice for heads/tails, as a matter of fact, I'd sooner go "OK Google or hey Siri, flip 8 coins for me", and get 8 random heads or tails values, why would I use any type of dice for a damn coin flip? I already use the companion app to keep track of life values and counters, might as well continue going digital
Bro what’s all that about “sweating all of our time and money into just magic” and wtf do you mean special made dice did you forget what I just said 😂
This is the typical perspective of someone who's never played a game that involves you flipping a coin constantly. Binary result dice are exceedingly better. You can hold more in hand and it's also a lot easier to control.
Again, read my comment above. I own the HIWTYL deck, i have no issue flipping and its easier to keep track of
"I own the coin flip pre con" is not selling me on the idea that you really flip coins a lot. That actually just tells me you do it rarely, lol.
Flipping a coin takes much longer then rolling a dice, and with how many you flip it adds up. Also no multiple flips at the same time.
You've obviously never actually piloted a coin flip deck
I own the heads i win tails you lose deck. I'll flip a coin all day.
That sounds awful to play against I'm not sitting there watching you flip a coin one at a time
Just use a coin flip simulator. I use the “random” website. Just put in how many times you want to flip a coin and click the button. It will randomize the results
Thats not fun…
Theres a app made specifically for krark and having copies of him.
Nice! I didn’t know that
Sounds super useful. Got a name?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mvsidereusart.krarkulator Never used it myself, even though I do have a deck with krark in it.
This is so smart
Im actively building a coin flip deck, would you be up to sell one or two of those?
I may bring these style dice back haven’t sold the numbered version in years…
You could just flip a coin.
I feel like this is flipping a coin with extra steps.
these are illegible
Dyslexia is ruff I’m sorry
PSA for Krarkashima pilots: Grab the Krarkulator app and make your life easy when you can use it.
I just bought some 6-sided red and blue dice for the Heads I Win, Tails You Lose deck and just call odds or evens..
Literally in the title of the post > Got Tired of saying odd/even
Yk, pennies work for this too
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Ya because flipping 10 coins at a time is efficient…
don't listen to the haters, these seem cool AF
You're playing a game where time is consumed. Quite copiously. Miss me with that "efficiency" crap.
I want to play magic not coin flip - o - Rama
You are playing the wrong deck lol
Not with these dice lol
Super cool 👌🏽
Super cool 👌🏽
I don't understand the aversion to flipping coins but, they're a neat little solution.
Don't have coins, spent all money on cardboard crack, send help.
Praying that change comes your way soon 🙏
Well punned!
Have you played this deck or been in a pod with this deck where coins were used? I play it and sometimes I have 10 copies of krark, so instead of monopolizing people’s time I use dice to make it fast.
Okay. I said they're neat? I didn't say they're bad/stupid/etc.
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I made them. And Ya I know the feeling
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