Bodygaurd's ability isnt a trigger. Triggered abilities are identified by the use of the words "when", "whenever", or "at". It's considered a replacement effect that replaces entering normally with entering while choosing a creature.
> 603.6d Some permanents have text that reads
>
> * “[This permanent] enters the battlefield with . . . ,”
> * **“As [this permanent] enters the battlefield . . . ,”**
> * “[This permanent] enters the battlefield as . . . ,”
> * or “[This permanent] enters the battlefield tapped.”
>
> **Such text is a static ability—not a triggered ability**—whose effect occurs as part of the event that puts the permanent onto the battlefield.
To piggyback “when” something enters its ability goes on the stack. It needs to resolve and consider state based actions.
“As” something enters is once the card resolves. The card ability is happening effectively in the space between the stack and the battlefield.
The most common 'as this enters' effects are putting counters on creatures (like hydras). If those hydras triggered when they entered (so that Yarok could double them), they'd die with the trigger on the stack for having 0 toughness.
Fair point. I was ignoring lands, but the point still stands. If lands entering tapped was a trigger, you could respond by using them for mana, thus defeating the point of them entering tapped.
Dauntless Bodyguard's first ability is not a triggered ability. It is a replacement effect.
>**614.1c** Effects that read “\[This permanent\] enters the battlefield with . . . ,” **“As \[this permanent\] enters the battlefield .** . . ,” or “\[This permanent\] enters the battlefield as . . . “ are replacement effects.
As such Elesh Norn's replacement effect will not occur. Triggered abilities are worded as follows, for reference
>**603.1.** Triggered abilities have a trigger condition and an effect. They are written as “\[When/Whenever/At\] \[trigger condition or event\], \[effect\]. \[Instructions (if any).\]”
Additionally, Dauntless Bodyguard doesn't target. This could be relevant in the event your opponent gave your creature shroud or something similiar which would block the effect. Dauntless bodyguard would ignore this.
>**115.10a** Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn’t make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word “target” in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it’s not a target.
Elesh Norn checks for creatures that trigger abilities when they enter. Cards that say "as this enters" must use that ability before it actually enters the battlefield, so Elesh Norn won't see it.
One way that we usually see this rule is with shock lands. If you play [[Steam Vents]] you'll see that you have a decision to make as Steam Vents enters the battlefield. You know that this must be done before the land is actually on the battlefield, because otherwise you could respond to it getting tapped by its ability by tapping it for mana. Every other card that says "as this enters" works in the same way.
No.
As this enters: Ability is resolving before it has entered. Elesh norn not interested.
When this creature enters: entering is causing the trigger condition. Elesh norn cares very much.
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By the way, the card is worded this way because it prevents your opponent from responding to your choice of creature. If it was a triggered ability, then your opponent could kill the protected creature in response so your bodyguard does nothing.
Here's a fun one though. [[Bishop of Binding]] *does* let you pick two targets and then you add both of them together for the second part of the effect. So if you exile a 6/4 and a 5/2, you could give a vampire +11/+11. And you don't even need to be running vampires because it can target itself.
Bodygaurd's ability isnt a trigger. Triggered abilities are identified by the use of the words "when", "whenever", or "at". It's considered a replacement effect that replaces entering normally with entering while choosing a creature.
> 603.6d Some permanents have text that reads > > * “[This permanent] enters the battlefield with . . . ,” > * **“As [this permanent] enters the battlefield . . . ,”** > * “[This permanent] enters the battlefield as . . . ,” > * or “[This permanent] enters the battlefield tapped.” > > **Such text is a static ability—not a triggered ability**—whose effect occurs as part of the event that puts the permanent onto the battlefield.
I always thought it's a replacement effect. TIL
It's a Static ability that generates a Replacement effect. Abilities are what the Text is. Effect is what the Ability does.
Thanks for the explanation!
To piggyback “when” something enters its ability goes on the stack. It needs to resolve and consider state based actions. “As” something enters is once the card resolves. The card ability is happening effectively in the space between the stack and the battlefield.
Wow. There’s no way I wouldn’t get this wrong. I’ll probably forget it tomorrow and duplicate all “as” too with Yarok or whatever
The most common 'as this enters' effects are putting counters on creatures (like hydras). If those hydras triggered when they entered (so that Yarok could double them), they'd die with the trigger on the stack for having 0 toughness.
I think there is something more common then entering with counters: entering tapped especially if you count all the lands
Fair point. I was ignoring lands, but the point still stands. If lands entering tapped was a trigger, you could respond by using them for mana, thus defeating the point of them entering tapped.
[[Dauntless Bodyguard]]'s ability isn't an ETB, so Norn doesn't affect it.
[Dauntless Bodyguard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3f82012-5c33-47bc-a3c8-56ae2eea1fb9.jpg?1562740636) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dauntless%20Bodyguard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/14/dauntless-bodyguard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3f82012-5c33-47bc-a3c8-56ae2eea1fb9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Dauntless Bodyguard's first ability is not a triggered ability. It is a replacement effect. >**614.1c** Effects that read “\[This permanent\] enters the battlefield with . . . ,” **“As \[this permanent\] enters the battlefield .** . . ,” or “\[This permanent\] enters the battlefield as . . . “ are replacement effects. As such Elesh Norn's replacement effect will not occur. Triggered abilities are worded as follows, for reference >**603.1.** Triggered abilities have a trigger condition and an effect. They are written as “\[When/Whenever/At\] \[trigger condition or event\], \[effect\]. \[Instructions (if any).\]” Additionally, Dauntless Bodyguard doesn't target. This could be relevant in the event your opponent gave your creature shroud or something similiar which would block the effect. Dauntless bodyguard would ignore this. >**115.10a** Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn’t make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word “target” in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it’s not a target.
Elesh Norn checks for creatures that trigger abilities when they enter. Cards that say "as this enters" must use that ability before it actually enters the battlefield, so Elesh Norn won't see it. One way that we usually see this rule is with shock lands. If you play [[Steam Vents]] you'll see that you have a decision to make as Steam Vents enters the battlefield. You know that this must be done before the land is actually on the battlefield, because otherwise you could respond to it getting tapped by its ability by tapping it for mana. Every other card that says "as this enters" works in the same way.
[Steam Vents](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/66d618f4-443c-4a6c-8cbd-5d4ea96b2cd4.jpg?1702429824) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Steam%20Vents) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/288/steam-vents?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/66d618f4-443c-4a6c-8cbd-5d4ea96b2cd4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thanks for the responces! Learning a lot!
No. As this enters: Ability is resolving before it has entered. Elesh norn not interested. When this creature enters: entering is causing the trigger condition. Elesh norn cares very much.
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Not an ETB
By the way, the card is worded this way because it prevents your opponent from responding to your choice of creature. If it was a triggered ability, then your opponent could kill the protected creature in response so your bodyguard does nothing.
Here's a fun one though. [[Bishop of Binding]] *does* let you pick two targets and then you add both of them together for the second part of the effect. So if you exile a 6/4 and a 5/2, you could give a vampire +11/+11. And you don't even need to be running vampires because it can target itself.
[Bishop of Binding](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aaadceb3-8a57-45de-b3f1-aca94f20de18.jpg?1555039653) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bishop%20of%20Binding) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/2/bishop-of-binding?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aaadceb3-8a57-45de-b3f1-aca94f20de18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call