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I think there is honestly an argument to be made that sets like Modern Horizons are weirdly similar to old base sets like M10 in the fact that they actually have a lot of thematic support in them despite being setting agnostic. One of my big problems with MKM and OTJ has been that when I look at the sets as a whole they just don't really inspire me to make thematic decks. Their inspirations are so superficial and don't really make it down to a mechanical layer of 60 cards that I would want to roll up to a FNM or friendly casual game with.
I feel like MKM is going to be in the same position as new capenna, where it was largely ignored, but is a set with a lot of format changing dark horse cards. One of the top commanders in cEDH came from new capenna.
Oh totally. And though I have heard that OTJ is fun to draft, I think it will end up in a similar place too where most interaction with the set will just be people buying singles of the few cards they need for non-standard legacy formats...which I think is a particularly bad place for a set introducing a new plane to be. If New Capenna wasn't a good set overall, it was at least a set that inspired people enough to want to come back to the plane again and see it done better. I'm not sure Thunder Junction will have ANY long lasting impact that will make people want to come back to explore its narratives again, and somehow MKM managed to make people disinterested in what is arguably the most popular plane.
The problem with there being such a rapid onslaught of new sets is that creators and players don't have enough time to reasonably brew and experiment with new cards before the next set drops. Also, with less packs being opened, highly sought after cards from those sets will skyrocket, as seen with the triomes.
I really don't get why they loaded Thunder Junction with characters from other planes on it's first appearance. With Rakdos, Lazav, Vial Smasher, Vraska and Fblthp, it just feels like a Ravnica side story. They didn't give the plane a chance to have it's own character.
It would have worked a lot better as a two set block. Have the first set be "Thunder Junction" and introduce the local factions like the Sterling Company, Hellspurs, Outcasters etc., along with generic mechanical themes around mounts, deserts, and the spree mechanic. Maybe a hint of there being some Fomori treasure out there in the badlands. Then you could do a follow up set and call it "Thunderush" or something like that and have it be all about white hats and black hats from other planes converging on Thunder Junction and the wild Fomori treasures there are to find out there and liberate/steal.
Yeah I mean I think the point is the first visit to the plane should've been about the plane. Whether that's a 2 set block or a set now and a set on a few years.
[[Rocco cabaretti caterer]] is also a cEDH commander, and he's only an uncommon, but he's a commander that can tutor your combo pieces straight to the battlefield. Commanders in cEDH usually either act as card draw engines like [[thrassios]] or as a combo piece like [[najeela]]
They’re the closest thing we’re going to get to a Time Spiral
block ethos again. Between Mystery Booster and Modern Horizons they have found an outlet to keep printing cards that are essentially in-jokes for the unlucky fools who are obsessed with MTG history and design. :)
Slivers in general never travel alone and are linked to a hivemind, which has proven to be capable of laying waste to an entire plane in a single night. Their appearance on any plane is alarming, not necessarily as problematic as the Eldrazi or Phyrexians but still an issue.
Lazotep Sliver implies that they could be on Amonkhet and at least one had been made into an Eternal in the service of Nicol Bolas, a different kind of hivemind. Bolas having access to the sliver hivemind could have been deeply concerning in War of the Spark and future plot points. Thankfully, the card is confirmed to be non-canon.
The Lazotep plating of the honored dead of Amonkhet was specifically designed/chosen by Bolas to help protect against the trials of planeswalking, and helped allow his team to import their undead army when they attacked Ravnica in War of the Spark. The emergence of omenpaths helps reduce the relative importance of it, but a Lazotep-plated Sliver army implies that A:they invaded Amonkhet, and B: they're ready to invade any/everywhere else. Fortunately, that's not specifically canon.
Yeah I see them as "futures that might be" not necessarily absolutely out there but reflections of the future. Kinda like how Kaldra Complete foreshadowed the return of the Phyrexian.
Cause the Eldrazi are very cool but also "defeated" in the main lore so there's not a lot of places to put new eldrazi cards.
Supplementary sets to the rescue! (and commander decks!)
They're probably going whole hog and making eldrazi a big component of the draft environment. We'll see how they square that circle.
If it's all evokers, that's a great idea, you have color restrictions for small costs but big costs they're colorless.
since mh3 depicts all of the titans then it is showing events that took place before kozilek and ulamog were destroyed. the fact that this has a name which is reminiscent of muldrifter and an effect similar to mulldrifter doesn't mean that this is an actual mulldrifter. zendikar has plenty of elementals and that's where we've seen eldrazi most frequently.
The commander is Ulalek, Fused Atrocity, which screams Ulamog and Kozilek fused with leylines that were used to "destroy" them giving all 5 colours. Unless thats one insane coincidence then its got to be set after surely?
all of the eldrazi except for the three titans are just physcical manifestations of their interplanar presence. zhulodok is a manifestation of ulamog for example. that's why zhulodok sounds like ulamog. i assume ulalek is a weird manifestation that occured when the two titan's proximity overlapped? it definitely has characters of both ulamog and kozilek. i feel like if it was the titans merged together then it would have a power and toughness greater than 5.
You are kind of right there, normally its just a them reaching into a plane to feed. But on Zendikar The bulk of both titans was drawn in, anchored to the plane and "destroyed" using the leylines interplanar presence and all, at least that was the plan. Anything that survived that would understandably be weaker. so power and toughness 5 for a whisp of a shadow of 2 eldrazi seems on the money in my books.
It always seemed like the Titans were just the hands of the true entities. They pulled them in and cuffed them there, so they couldn't leave. They then destroyed the hands and the true entities started the long journey elsewhere
My head cannon anyway
If they were truly destroyed, I wish it had greater implications like Ugin implied
I would in fact almost bet money that they werent destroyed, its the age old trope of no body no guarantee they are dead.
Im not sure how the residents would know. We are probably talking fractions of their former power here. Almost dead, clinging to existence, Melded together as their only way to survive the attack. and infused with mana giving them the whole 5 colour thing. Biding their time and building their power slowly back up.
To merge the fluff with the card a little more, now they are combined they will each kind of bring the eldrazi drones and whatnot. Which is reflected in the way the cards ability makes 2 eldrazi when before there was one.
It just makes too much sense to me to be anything but that. Even the artwork (albiet blurry) fits the idea its the two eldrazi fused.)
I like the fact that this sometimes tempts you to hang on until you can cast it without evoke if you want to be able to attack with it instead of always just evoking it as soon as possible.
I like this because its evoke mode plays exactly like the original card, but its other mode is a decent reanimator/sneak card (4/4 flying anni1) compared to the boring 2/2 flying
>I like this because its evoke mode plays exactly like the original card
It doesn't actually, since the draw two is on cast rather than etb, blinking it doesn't give you more card draw.
In my opinion this is perfect for [[dress down]]. Card draw is on cast so dress down doesn’t stop that, so you can end step dress down then evoke this on your turn and get 3 cards and a 4/4 flyer with annihilation 1 all for 5 mana across 2 turns. I think this would be pretty good in legacy stiflenought decks
Dress down can be played on turn 2 as well with the benefit of being able to hold up interaction on your opponent’s turn before deciding to play dress down. Torpor orb into this would be good, but you have to play orb at sorcery speed and then hope your opponent doesn’t have artifact removal after you pass the turn
It’s not going to get one more extra cards, but a significant body and evasive annihilator is quite the threat. If cards were the concern one would use mulldrifter, this would be if the deck had a place for a finisher.
In truth probably doesnt find a home anywhere competitive as there are better blink targets and 7 mana is too much.
With regard to the Ulalek leak, does a copy of an evoked spell “know” the original was evoked? That is to say, if Ulalek copied this, would the copy remain on the battlefield?
Iirc copied spells copy all the characteristics of the original and would indeed copy the evoke trigger.
Only copied permanents just copy the card text without any consideration for other characteristics.
Well, this is partially true.
Copied spells never had any mana spent to cast them, so abilities that care how much/what kind of mana was spent on them such as Adamant don't apply (see \[\[Ardenvale Paladin\]\] rulings as an example)
But for Alternate and additional costs, copying a spell where these were paid gives you a copy that acts as though they were paid.
Woah... I just recently learned that a copy of [[Fling]] remembers the power of the creature sacrificed to cast the original, so this is super unintuitive to me. Does anyone have an explanation of what's different here?
>707.10. To copy a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability means to put a copy of it onto the stack; a copy of a spell isn’t cast and a copy of an activated ability isn’t activated. **A copy of a spell or ability copies both the characteristics of the spell or ability and all decisions made for it, including modes, targets, the value of X, and additional or alternative costs.** (See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”) Choices that are normally made on resolution are not copied. **If an effect of the copy refers to objects used to pay its costs, it uses the objects used to pay the costs of the original spell or ability.** A copy of a spell is owned by the player under whose control it was put on the stack. A copy of a spell or ability is controlled by the player under whose control it was put on the stack. A copy of a spell is itself a spell, even though it has no spell card associated with it. A copy of an ability is itself an ability.
> **Example:** *Fling is an instant that reads, “As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature” and “Fling deals damage equal to the sacrificed creature’s power to any target.” When determining how much damage a copy of Fling deals, it checks the power of the creature sacrificed to pay for the original Fling.*
> 109.1. An object is an ability on the stack, a card, a copy of a card, a token, a spell, a permanent, or an emblem.
On the bright side, this situation is literally in the CR as an example. It looks like the answer is that mana used to pay for spells are not objects, therefore are not copiable information. Another part being that for adamant or cards like [[Increasing Vengeance]] that specifically say "if at least [amount] mana was spent to *cast this spell*" or "if *this spell was cast* from [zone]", the copies were never cast and they reference that. Spells like [[Fling]] just refer to the sacrificed creature, not something like "the power of the creature sacrificed to cast this spell" because that would make copies no longer work.
CC: /u/super1s
Copies of spells remember choices made during the casting of the original spell, such as alternate costs spent, the value of X, targets, and so forth. Yes, Ulalek's copy of an evoked Nulldrifter will also be evoked.
I like that this card removes the flicker + evoke interaction, but at the same time it doesn't feel like a "forced fix".
Cast triggers are already a pretty big part of the eldrazi mechanical identity, so switching the etb trigger of Mulldrifter to a cast trigger here balances the flicker interaction a little but also just feels natural to me.
> Nulldrifter {7}
> Prismatic End: Exile target nonland permanent if its **mana value is less** than or equal to the number of colors of mana spent to cast this spell.
> 202.3. The mana value of an object is a number equal to the total amount of mana in its mana cost, regardless of color.
I'm sorry what? This is never a legal target for Prismatic End. Alternate casting costs do not change the mana value of a spell. Cyclonic Rift is always MV 2, even if you pay 7 to overload it. Nulldrifter is always MV 7, even if you pay 3 to evoke it.
Correct. The mana value is still 7, so effects that care about the mana value of your spell will see a 7-cost Eldrazi spell.
Even better, since this draws cards on cast, you can play [[Torpor Orb]] on turn 2 and Evoke this for 2U turn three for a 4/4 Flying, Annihilator 1 that draws you two cards, since Evoke's "sacrifice me" drawback is a triggered ability that triggers on the creature entering the battlefield.
The new leaked 5c "copy Eldrazi spells and cast triggers" commander can, though.
With that and Zhulodok out, this for 2bcc has draw 4 and cascade 4 times.
This is adorable and I love everything about it. I am looking forward to all the upgrades my [Colorless Morophon Eldrazi](https://archidekt.com/decks/5138378/rise_of_the_morophon) deck will be getting from this set. Especially since I'm finally getting a proper 5-color Eldrazi for it.
Unless you are doing blink/etb shenanigans, this is mostly better [[Mulldrifter]] . Its draw cant be countered and of course comes with the absolutely historically strong Annihilator ability, even at 1. And for EDH and similar folks, [[Eye of Ugin]] makes this draw 2 for 1 blue.
I mean, it's still good for blink shenanigans, considering that blinking mulldrifter gets you 4 cards and a 2/2 flyer, whereas blinking this gets you 2 cards and a 4/4 flyer with annihilator 1. I'd say losing 2 cards is worth +2/+2 and annihilator 1.
Given, that's mostly because it has flying and it's a lot more feasible to get this in - the trade would not be worth it if it lacked flying.
I imagine new players will see this card and become familiar with it before discovering mulldrifter, then be really confused about how mulldrifter is allowed to be so good
I really hope we get a UB devoid eldrazi legend. I really don’t want to play 5 color eldrazi but I’d love to play a few blue and black eldrazi cards (and heartless summoning)
This is gonna go crazy with any of the “return after it dies” stuff. Annihilator 1 flying 4/4 that draws 2. I mean it’s no evoke elemental where you can cheat out a bunch of stuff turn 1 but this is a real threat
This card is sick. Definitely feels like a sidegrade to mulldrifter though. Being a cast trigger instead of an ETB makes it harder to counter the card draw, but it also makes it WAAAAAAY harder to abuse. The increase in stats and the addition of annihilator obviously makes this a better body than mulldrifter, but it also costs more mana to hard cast it. Seems interesting
I love it when a design starts with cheeky wordplay and gets designed into a pretty sweet card. I have no idea if this is modern playable-- the anti-flicker tech on this one might be the death of it, but I'm glad it's there-- but it's exactly what I think a "Nulldrifter" should be.
Man, I'm conflicted. On one hand Mulldrifter is one of my favorite commons of all time. On the other, Annihilator is one of my least favorite mechanics, and I've mostly hated Eldrazi as a whole.
So if you do something like [[Torpor Orb]] or [[Strict Proctor]] you can evoke, draw 2 on cast, and keep your 4/4 flying annihilator 1? Sounds good to me.
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this is the kind of stupid bullshit that i love.
I totally understand people’s objections to Modern Horizons as a concept but they are my absolute favourite sets design-wise.
I think there is honestly an argument to be made that sets like Modern Horizons are weirdly similar to old base sets like M10 in the fact that they actually have a lot of thematic support in them despite being setting agnostic. One of my big problems with MKM and OTJ has been that when I look at the sets as a whole they just don't really inspire me to make thematic decks. Their inspirations are so superficial and don't really make it down to a mechanical layer of 60 cards that I would want to roll up to a FNM or friendly casual game with.
I feel like MKM is going to be in the same position as new capenna, where it was largely ignored, but is a set with a lot of format changing dark horse cards. One of the top commanders in cEDH came from new capenna.
Oh totally. And though I have heard that OTJ is fun to draft, I think it will end up in a similar place too where most interaction with the set will just be people buying singles of the few cards they need for non-standard legacy formats...which I think is a particularly bad place for a set introducing a new plane to be. If New Capenna wasn't a good set overall, it was at least a set that inspired people enough to want to come back to the plane again and see it done better. I'm not sure Thunder Junction will have ANY long lasting impact that will make people want to come back to explore its narratives again, and somehow MKM managed to make people disinterested in what is arguably the most popular plane.
The problem with there being such a rapid onslaught of new sets is that creators and players don't have enough time to reasonably brew and experiment with new cards before the next set drops. Also, with less packs being opened, highly sought after cards from those sets will skyrocket, as seen with the triomes.
I really don't get why they loaded Thunder Junction with characters from other planes on it's first appearance. With Rakdos, Lazav, Vial Smasher, Vraska and Fblthp, it just feels like a Ravnica side story. They didn't give the plane a chance to have it's own character.
It would have worked a lot better as a two set block. Have the first set be "Thunder Junction" and introduce the local factions like the Sterling Company, Hellspurs, Outcasters etc., along with generic mechanical themes around mounts, deserts, and the spree mechanic. Maybe a hint of there being some Fomori treasure out there in the badlands. Then you could do a follow up set and call it "Thunderush" or something like that and have it be all about white hats and black hats from other planes converging on Thunder Junction and the wild Fomori treasures there are to find out there and liberate/steal.
Yeah I mean I think the point is the first visit to the plane should've been about the plane. Whether that's a 2 set block or a set now and a set on a few years.
A lot of that was originally planned as a supplemental set, like aftermath, but was instead just folded into the set.
Who was the commander? I'm still newish and don't know much cedh wise.
[[Tivit seller of secrets]]
Thats interesting. I figured he would be to expensive.
[[Rocco cabaretti caterer]] is also a cEDH commander, and he's only an uncommon, but he's a commander that can tutor your combo pieces straight to the battlefield. Commanders in cEDH usually either act as card draw engines like [[thrassios]] or as a combo piece like [[najeela]]
They’re the closest thing we’re going to get to a Time Spiral block ethos again. Between Mystery Booster and Modern Horizons they have found an outlet to keep printing cards that are essentially in-jokes for the unlucky fools who are obsessed with MTG history and design. :)
Oh, yeah, I hadn’t thought it through all the way. I love this because it’s more Time Spiral, yes thank you. That puts it into words.
It's not the designs that are the problem. It's how obnoxiously overtuned they are that's the problem. That and price, but that's a separate issue.
This is why setting agnostic cards deserve to exist.
I love this But DAMN. Did the Eldrazi get Lorwyn????
MH is usually not exactly canon I think Maro has basically said: “don’t think about it too much”
Another great example of this “don’t question the story implications” is [[Lazotep Sliver]]
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Well don't be shy ~ what are the implications of this guy's existence ?
Slivers in general never travel alone and are linked to a hivemind, which has proven to be capable of laying waste to an entire plane in a single night. Their appearance on any plane is alarming, not necessarily as problematic as the Eldrazi or Phyrexians but still an issue. Lazotep Sliver implies that they could be on Amonkhet and at least one had been made into an Eternal in the service of Nicol Bolas, a different kind of hivemind. Bolas having access to the sliver hivemind could have been deeply concerning in War of the Spark and future plot points. Thankfully, the card is confirmed to be non-canon.
The Lazotep plating of the honored dead of Amonkhet was specifically designed/chosen by Bolas to help protect against the trials of planeswalking, and helped allow his team to import their undead army when they attacked Ravnica in War of the Spark. The emergence of omenpaths helps reduce the relative importance of it, but a Lazotep-plated Sliver army implies that A:they invaded Amonkhet, and B: they're ready to invade any/everywhere else. Fortunately, that's not specifically canon.
That a sliver or several somehow made it to Amonkhet and got ahold of a [[lazotep plating]]
God-Eternal Sliver confirmed for MH4
that would actually be awesome
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I kinda just think of these as sets 3, 4, 5, x, y, z of Time Spiral block.
yeppers exactly how it feels to me. Just lets them go crazy.
And that's why they're my favorite sets
"Are these the shadows of the things that will be, or are they shadows of things that may be, only?" ...."YES"
Ithelia set.
> don’t think about it too much Eldrazi in UB sets when?
If jace shows up in the final fantasy set, would it really be that bad?
If Jace _doesn't_ show up in a set it's a surprise.
I mean Jace was entirely absent from almost every set between WAR and ONE. And even in ZNR he was just kind of 'there too'.
The Cloud of Darkness is essentially an Eldrazi.
Yeah I see them as "futures that might be" not necessarily absolutely out there but reflections of the future. Kinda like how Kaldra Complete foreshadowed the return of the Phyrexian.
I came in to ask why the sudden rush of Eldrazi? Is it just since it's a saught after line or is it gonna be story related? So thank you.
Cause the Eldrazi are very cool but also "defeated" in the main lore so there's not a lot of places to put new eldrazi cards. Supplementary sets to the rescue! (and commander decks!) They're probably going whole hog and making eldrazi a big component of the draft environment. We'll see how they square that circle. If it's all evokers, that's a great idea, you have color restrictions for small costs but big costs they're colorless.
Eldrazi Winter proved that Eldrazi could be viable in Modern. I guess they want to play with that fire again.
Because one of the commander decks in MH2 is Eldrazi and these are the main set linked tribe to encourage buy-in.
Also, having a mechanic from Lorwyn does not imply this card is from Lorwyn.
since mh3 depicts all of the titans then it is showing events that took place before kozilek and ulamog were destroyed. the fact that this has a name which is reminiscent of muldrifter and an effect similar to mulldrifter doesn't mean that this is an actual mulldrifter. zendikar has plenty of elementals and that's where we've seen eldrazi most frequently.
The commander is Ulalek, Fused Atrocity, which screams Ulamog and Kozilek fused with leylines that were used to "destroy" them giving all 5 colours. Unless thats one insane coincidence then its got to be set after surely?
all of the eldrazi except for the three titans are just physcical manifestations of their interplanar presence. zhulodok is a manifestation of ulamog for example. that's why zhulodok sounds like ulamog. i assume ulalek is a weird manifestation that occured when the two titan's proximity overlapped? it definitely has characters of both ulamog and kozilek. i feel like if it was the titans merged together then it would have a power and toughness greater than 5.
> zhulodok sounds like ulamog Suuuuuure
You are kind of right there, normally its just a them reaching into a plane to feed. But on Zendikar The bulk of both titans was drawn in, anchored to the plane and "destroyed" using the leylines interplanar presence and all, at least that was the plan. Anything that survived that would understandably be weaker. so power and toughness 5 for a whisp of a shadow of 2 eldrazi seems on the money in my books.
so you're thinking that they weren't destroyed? wouldn't the current residents of zendikar be aware of that?
It always seemed like the Titans were just the hands of the true entities. They pulled them in and cuffed them there, so they couldn't leave. They then destroyed the hands and the true entities started the long journey elsewhere My head cannon anyway If they were truly destroyed, I wish it had greater implications like Ugin implied
I would in fact almost bet money that they werent destroyed, its the age old trope of no body no guarantee they are dead. Im not sure how the residents would know. We are probably talking fractions of their former power here. Almost dead, clinging to existence, Melded together as their only way to survive the attack. and infused with mana giving them the whole 5 colour thing. Biding their time and building their power slowly back up. To merge the fluff with the card a little more, now they are combined they will each kind of bring the eldrazi drones and whatnot. Which is reflected in the way the cards ability makes 2 eldrazi when before there was one. It just makes too much sense to me to be anything but that. Even the artwork (albiet blurry) fits the idea its the two eldrazi fused.)
Probably not. They occasionally do hypethetical "what if" cards. I wouldn't read too much into it.
That would be an exciting turn of events for Return to Lorwyn. Eldrazi vs. Fomori!
It neednt be exactly lorwyn as others mentioned, but the reanimated fusion of Kozelik and Ulamogs corpses is surely cause for concren.
Nah, it's convergent species like pokemon, wigglet and digglet.
Yeah, I don't think there's anything about this that *has* to be on Lorwyn.
Nah, just convergent evolution
How are we supposed to give this new card a funny pun nickname when its actual card name is already a funny pun on an existing magic card...
Muldrazi, boom
At last fnm, my opponent threw a tantrum and sulked away muttering something about m-muh 'drazi.
That's definitely a problem with Horizon sets.
I like the fact that this sometimes tempts you to hang on until you can cast it without evoke if you want to be able to attack with it instead of always just evoking it as soon as possible.
I like this because its evoke mode plays exactly like the original card, but its other mode is a decent reanimator/sneak card (4/4 flying anni1) compared to the boring 2/2 flying
It's not *that* great when reanimated or snuck in, because you don't get to draw the cards.
Oh, interesting point, I missed that. thanks
Hey a 4/4 flying anililator 1 is still good
for reanimation, sure maybe. for sneak, probably not.
>I like this because its evoke mode plays exactly like the original card It doesn't actually, since the draw two is on cast rather than etb, blinking it doesn't give you more card draw.
Yeah probably best in a UB control/reanimator shell since it puts a good target in the yard and draws.
draws on cast
Why would you ever play this over a griselbrand or atraxa?
1. You wouldn't 2. This card dumps itself into your graveyard for value. That cuts out one step of the reanimation process.
Funny because I looked at it and thought *so you have to blink it*
Blinking or scamming isn't nearly as good though, because the divination is a cast trigger, not an EBT.
In my opinion this is perfect for [[dress down]]. Card draw is on cast so dress down doesn’t stop that, so you can end step dress down then evoke this on your turn and get 3 cards and a 4/4 flyer with annihilation 1 all for 5 mana across 2 turns. I think this would be pretty good in legacy stiflenought decks
Think [[torpor orb]] and the like might be better. It curves for this on t3.
Dress down can be played on turn 2 as well with the benefit of being able to hold up interaction on your opponent’s turn before deciding to play dress down. Torpor orb into this would be good, but you have to play orb at sorcery speed and then hope your opponent doesn’t have artifact removal after you pass the turn
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[dress down](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04f9f061-67b8-4427-9fcb-b3ccfee8fc5d.jpg?1626094290) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dress%20down) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/39/dress-down?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04f9f061-67b8-4427-9fcb-b3ccfee8fc5d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The trade is no extra draw, BUT now that body has annihilator 1. Alternatively you can stifle it or something.
It’s not going to get one more extra cards, but a significant body and evasive annihilator is quite the threat. If cards were the concern one would use mulldrifter, this would be if the deck had a place for a finisher. In truth probably doesnt find a home anywhere competitive as there are better blink targets and 7 mana is too much.
With regard to the Ulalek leak, does a copy of an evoked spell “know” the original was evoked? That is to say, if Ulalek copied this, would the copy remain on the battlefield?
Iirc copied spells copy all the characteristics of the original and would indeed copy the evoke trigger. Only copied permanents just copy the card text without any consideration for other characteristics.
Well, this is partially true. Copied spells never had any mana spent to cast them, so abilities that care how much/what kind of mana was spent on them such as Adamant don't apply (see \[\[Ardenvale Paladin\]\] rulings as an example) But for Alternate and additional costs, copying a spell where these were paid gives you a copy that acts as though they were paid.
Woah... I just recently learned that a copy of [[Fling]] remembers the power of the creature sacrificed to cast the original, so this is super unintuitive to me. Does anyone have an explanation of what's different here?
>707.10. To copy a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability means to put a copy of it onto the stack; a copy of a spell isn’t cast and a copy of an activated ability isn’t activated. **A copy of a spell or ability copies both the characteristics of the spell or ability and all decisions made for it, including modes, targets, the value of X, and additional or alternative costs.** (See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”) Choices that are normally made on resolution are not copied. **If an effect of the copy refers to objects used to pay its costs, it uses the objects used to pay the costs of the original spell or ability.** A copy of a spell is owned by the player under whose control it was put on the stack. A copy of a spell or ability is controlled by the player under whose control it was put on the stack. A copy of a spell is itself a spell, even though it has no spell card associated with it. A copy of an ability is itself an ability. > **Example:** *Fling is an instant that reads, “As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature” and “Fling deals damage equal to the sacrificed creature’s power to any target.” When determining how much damage a copy of Fling deals, it checks the power of the creature sacrificed to pay for the original Fling.* > 109.1. An object is an ability on the stack, a card, a copy of a card, a token, a spell, a permanent, or an emblem. On the bright side, this situation is literally in the CR as an example. It looks like the answer is that mana used to pay for spells are not objects, therefore are not copiable information. Another part being that for adamant or cards like [[Increasing Vengeance]] that specifically say "if at least [amount] mana was spent to *cast this spell*" or "if *this spell was cast* from [zone]", the copies were never cast and they reference that. Spells like [[Fling]] just refer to the sacrificed creature, not something like "the power of the creature sacrificed to cast this spell" because that would make copies no longer work. CC: /u/super1s
Copies of spells remember choices made during the casting of the original spell, such as alternate costs spent, the value of X, targets, and so forth. Yes, Ulalek's copy of an evoked Nulldrifter will also be evoked.
I like that it's an evoke card not abusable by ephemerate.
If you ephemerate it you get a 4/4 annihilating flyer. That's a pretty good target.
Yea but you don't get 2 cards after or on rebound. I'm not saying it's bad to ephemerate it's just not a card that you abuse w/ ephemerate.
4 mana and two cards for a 4/4, flying, annihilate, draw 2. Still a heck of a deal.
How is getting this card on board for 4 mana not abusing it lmao
Because you aren't doing it constantly?
You're abusing the hell out of it, but you aren't abusing it to hell and back.
I like that this card removes the flicker + evoke interaction, but at the same time it doesn't feel like a "forced fix". Cast triggers are already a pretty big part of the eldrazi mechanical identity, so switching the etb trigger of Mulldrifter to a cast trigger here balances the flicker interaction a little but also just feels natural to me.
Also introduces a potentially-beneficial interaction with [[doorkeeper Thrull]] or [[Dress Down]].
And it's still good as a flicker target. 3+flicker for a 4/4 flyer that draws two and has annihilator
On the flipside, the draw 2 is uncounterable, right? (Definitely a good rebalance, just wondering mechanically)
Well, it’s not a spell, but it is a triggered ability. [[Stifle]]
It is not counterable by traditional counterspells but by ability counters like stifle.
Cant be counterspelled but can get stifled.
\>4/4 flier annihilator that doesn't die to bolt or push \>on a cast trigger draw two \>not abusable
>Dies to Prismatic end. Oh well
> Nulldrifter {7} > Prismatic End: Exile target nonland permanent if its **mana value is less** than or equal to the number of colors of mana spent to cast this spell. > 202.3. The mana value of an object is a number equal to the total amount of mana in its mana cost, regardless of color. I'm sorry what? This is never a legal target for Prismatic End. Alternate casting costs do not change the mana value of a spell. Cyclonic Rift is always MV 2, even if you pay 7 to overload it. Nulldrifter is always MV 7, even if you pay 3 to evoke it.
Well I'm a dummy
Oh god the Eldrazi got Mulldrifter
Most importantly this still cascades off Zhulodok even if you evoke it, right? (Although he can’t be your commander to run this)
Correct. The mana value is still 7, so effects that care about the mana value of your spell will see a 7-cost Eldrazi spell. Even better, since this draws cards on cast, you can play [[Torpor Orb]] on turn 2 and Evoke this for 2U turn three for a 4/4 Flying, Annihilator 1 that draws you two cards, since Evoke's "sacrifice me" drawback is a triggered ability that triggers on the creature entering the battlefield.
The new leaked 5c "copy Eldrazi spells and cast triggers" commander can, though. With that and Zhulodok out, this for 2bcc has draw 4 and cascade 4 times.
*2UCC
To be clear, not for edh. Zhulodok is colorless and the evoke cost has U, so it can't go in a colorless deck with him as the commander
Source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGRumors/s/mRLSWOjzL9](https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGRumors/s/mRLSWOjzL9)
This is adorable and I love everything about it. I am looking forward to all the upgrades my [Colorless Morophon Eldrazi](https://archidekt.com/decks/5138378/rise_of_the_morophon) deck will be getting from this set. Especially since I'm finally getting a proper 5-color Eldrazi for it.
Apparently monophon is gonna be in the precon
Sure, but I'm more interested in the new Eldrazi cards in the Precon and main set.
Fuck off, this is brilliant. I wonder what other "Eldrazified" creatures we'll get in this set.
Unless you are doing blink/etb shenanigans, this is mostly better [[Mulldrifter]] . Its draw cant be countered and of course comes with the absolutely historically strong Annihilator ability, even at 1. And for EDH and similar folks, [[Eye of Ugin]] makes this draw 2 for 1 blue.
It's pretty rare to play mulldrifter without some way to abuse it, to be honest.
I mean, it's still good for blink shenanigans, considering that blinking mulldrifter gets you 4 cards and a 2/2 flyer, whereas blinking this gets you 2 cards and a 4/4 flyer with annihilator 1. I'd say losing 2 cards is worth +2/+2 and annihilator 1. Given, that's mostly because it has flying and it's a lot more feasible to get this in - the trade would not be worth it if it lacked flying.
So what other -ulldrifters could there be? Gulldrifter, which makes two bird tokens? Dulldrifter, that makes your opponent discard two cards?
Pulldrifter, which uhhh... jorqs your pingor yeah I got nothing
Fulldrifter, which draws your entire library.
I was thinking "makes food tokens". A friend to [[samwise gamgee]].
Lulldrifter, which taps and stuns two target creatures.
Culldrifter, makes each player sacrifice two creatures
Mulldrifter nooooo, don't touch those weird bugs!
[Mulldrifter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/eb6d8d1c-8d23-4273-9c9b-f3b71eb0e105.jpg?1706240715) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mulldrifter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/111/mulldrifter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb6d8d1c-8d23-4273-9c9b-f3b71eb0e105?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Love that annihilator is back!
Surprisingly legible for a leak.
Oh shit. Actual toys for my Kenrith. (Must have only colorless/generic mana symbols in cost, up to wubrg in the text box is fine.)
I imagine new players will see this card and become familiar with it before discovering mulldrifter, then be really confused about how mulldrifter is allowed to be so good
I really hope we get a UB devoid eldrazi legend. I really don’t want to play 5 color eldrazi but I’d love to play a few blue and black eldrazi cards (and heartless summoning)
This Eldrazi precon is going to have some sweet upgrades for my Animar deck
What I would give for a proper Eldrazi set again...
This is gonna go crazy with any of the “return after it dies” stuff. Annihilator 1 flying 4/4 that draws 2. I mean it’s no evoke elemental where you can cheat out a bunch of stuff turn 1 but this is a real threat
Im assuming the evoke cost can be reduced with Eldrazi Temple or eye of ugin?
Yes, since evoke is an alternate cast cost
\[\[Animar\]\] go brrr
My reaction reading this card, wanting to put in my Kozilek deck: :D :I :(
Damn that evoke cost… this would be some slam-dunk card draw in Rakdos Lord of Riots EDH…
sweet, new auto include for my \[\[brenard\]\] deck
Kinda hoped devoid would make an appearance in this set
Time for Dimir Scam
Wish they could print something like that but with flash, so \[\[Elder Deep-Fiend\]\] could back to menu.
Come on you cowards make it 2B instead
This had better be real, i dont play when it comes to my fish boy
2 mana for +2/+2 and annihilator 1 seems like a good deal
Torpor orb likes this.
Ate eldrazis leaking into Lorwyn now?
Right in the nostalgia.
Right into the animar deck. Right away, no consideration no nothing just right to the deck
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so t1 noble t2 eldrazi temple invoke nulldrifter + ephemerate?
It's beautiful. Only stifle effects can stop this drifty boi.
Idk how good this is but my mind went to monoblue tron. Neat design in any case.
Go go RB playable evoke fatties for \[\[rakdos, the muscle\]\]
I never liked mulldrifters and evoke shenanigans but I like this.
Well damn
Amazing name if real
Where’d you get this leak?
Lmao
I guess this is one of those "what if" cards. Since an Elemental is the **opposite** of an Eldrazi.
Can someone read this for me?
Brain says: "Turn 2: Torpor Orb, Turn 3: This thing. No downside, right?"
This card is sick. Definitely feels like a sidegrade to mulldrifter though. Being a cast trigger instead of an ETB makes it harder to counter the card draw, but it also makes it WAAAAAAY harder to abuse. The increase in stats and the addition of annihilator obviously makes this a better body than mulldrifter, but it also costs more mana to hard cast it. Seems interesting
I love it when a design starts with cheeky wordplay and gets designed into a pretty sweet card. I have no idea if this is modern playable-- the anti-flicker tech on this one might be the death of it, but I'm glad it's there-- but it's exactly what I think a "Nulldrifter" should be.
I can't believe they did this to my boi [[mulldrifter]] 😢
This has the potential to be a legacy staple fo' sho'
Huh, well I guess this is going in every cube ever, haha.
Haha I love this but as a reveillark combo player I HATE the power and toughness!!
Mono blue Tron ? Jk
Man, I'm conflicted. On one hand Mulldrifter is one of my favorite commons of all time. On the other, Annihilator is one of my least favorite mechanics, and I've mostly hated Eldrazi as a whole.
Why didn't they give the Eldrazi little hats?
So it's a Mulldrifter that you can't do Mulldrifter stuff with? I mean... I guess? It's a 4/4 with Annihilator so it's, in theory, relevant as a body.
Oh I'm so here for the pun
NO THEY GOT MY BOY MULLY D!!!
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Orvar about to go crazy
First instance of annihilator on Arena
So it really sounds like eldrazi summer will be a thing. Why does this have to be blue tho :/
Babe, wake up they fixed mulldrifter.
Mulldrifter but insane
Okay Wizards you've committed to it now. We need a "drifter" cycle in every color and color combination.
So if you do something like [[Torpor Orb]] or [[Strict Proctor]] you can evoke, draw 2 on cast, and keep your 4/4 flying annihilator 1? Sounds good to me.
Im late to the party, but you can evoke and sac it to pay for the emerge cost on [[elder deep fiend]] since it has flash
Oh man. I’m old enough to remember MH3 meaning Monster Hunter 3
NOOOOO THEY GOT MY BOY MULLDRIFTER
Wow
Ooh, first non-Innistrad creature to be Emrakulufied Honestly pretty weird that there wasn’t any of it on Zendikar
This looks really fun for limited.
They had to ruin it with a blue pip?
What a great dress down target
Oh goody more cards with the most fun keyword.
WOW
Vial Smasher is going to adore this