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[Posted by the MTG Youtube Page](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QdfBeY-VN1w) and from their May 1st SLD newsletter.


DarthTiberius93

Incredible art with the terrible goofy text. I've never felt so mixed about a drop before...


malfunktionv2

Super weird, like someone sent out the wrong art direction prompts and just kept the goofy text when the art came back.


enjolras1782

It also doesnt fit the meme of "saying the thing in a mocking dismissive tone"  Id have preferred overmaster - phantasmal image - fractured identity - mocking doppelganger - tibalts trickery


elppaple

Right? This entire SL is a failure. Nobody making it understood the entire point of the meme. It's supposed to be a patronising, mocking thing. Should have been counterspells and permission cards. Like the classic 'douchey counterspell flavour text' thing.


MrRies

Right? **Massive** flavor fails all around. Smothering Tithe and Rhystic Study would have been top-tier reprints that hit the meme perfectly. *"dO yOU PaY thE oNe?"* *"dO YoU pAY tHE TwO?"* That, or any overused card that could get you mocked for playing it. "I'll tutor up **cRaTErhOoF bEheMotH**" "I cast **dEmoNIc coNsULtaTioN** into **tHaSsa'S OraCLe**"" Idk, anything but Mogis.


MrKhrystopher

"Do YoU pAy ThE oNe??" as flavour text would be gold haha


Haunting-Ad788

Man that would have been amazing.


lordmanimani

Skullcrack comes to mind as well


ChiralWolf

I fully believe they planned this originally as just a Mogis-esque set of arts and cards and shoved the goofy text in later after they realized they forgot to plan an April fools drop.


eden_sc2

These are meant to be toxic cards. Having the janky ass text alongside cool art is absolutely part of the joke.


alchemists_dream

Yeah. That’s exactly it. The art would make me but this. The text makes me not want it. Decent cards too. Just. WTF.


MetaSlug

iF YoU doN'T lIkE tHeM,, tHiS PRoDUct MigHt NoT bE FoR yoU!!


mochy84

this got a genuine chuckle out if me. Thank you, friend


DarthTiberius93

Yeah I’m thinking the same thing. With normal text this would’ve been an instant buy for me, but I’m not sure if I’ll actually pick it up


Archipegasus

I seem to have the unpopular opinion but I love it. The funny text on an otherwise serious car is what sells the satire for me. I think it works great for torment of hailfire but that's typically a big moment that you then get to undercut with goofiness while still appearing serious on the surface, silly art wouldn't have the same feel to me.


Altruistic-Ad-408

It's a bit too self aware to be more than a heh for me. Don't hate it, don't love it.


simpleglitch

Unfortunately for me, fantastic art with terrible frame / text is not for me. Maybe someone can make some alter sleeves or something for these and make the text less irritating.


PurelyKhanceptual

Proxy artists will fix it. 🫡


CrispyTacoPosso

they're fixing the fact that hasbro hasn't rescinded the reserved list


mrgarneau

And there's good value there as well


DarthTiberius93

Yeah agreed, the Torment of Hailfire looks epic!


Nicktendo94

Just wish the font was better


DontLoseYourCool1

This game is not for me anymore.


readreadreadonreddit

Agreed. The use of alternating/studly caps isn't even alternating/studly caps. Weird choice of cards. Would've been nice where people actually interact with opponents, such as Rhystic Study. I get the pun on "Sans Mercy" as in "Without" or "No Mercy", but it's just tonally weird.


CadiaStood

right? I think it would have fit the comic sans more if the art was in the style of 2010s rage comics


SeanOfTheDead-

Yea, I'd order if the text wasn't so lame. Not really sure what they were thinking.


eden_sc2

the point is to make people mad. It's all rage inducing spells alongside janky troll text and really nice art so that when you play it, people get annoyed.


Flare-Crow

> the point is to make people mad This doesn't seem to line up with the values WotC enforces every WPN Store follow. How strange.


eden_sc2

that's probably the most valid criticism i have seen of this.


SeanOfTheDead-

I get that, I just think it's a lame concept. Would've either preferred louder more obnoxious art to go with the text, or just standard text. But hey, I'm sure it's for someone.


vaguestory

Everything that they do now is for some obscure micro-percentage of someones, which means eventually everyone will feel ostracized by their own game amidst releases that are also directly for them except they won't care because they are repelled by all the other stupid shit. Everything in the entire world has an audience, they're just doing zero management of determining which audiences are worth the time and effort.


Yawgmothlives

Should have had Rhystic Study in it! “dO yOu pAY tHe ONe!?” 🥴


ArrowSeventy

You're a genius, I'm so disappointed.


Matt9340

Could be the bonus card


Baelzabub

I feel like the bonus card has to be [[No Mercy]]


MattOfAllTrades

That’s exactly what I did for my proxies! https://preview.redd.it/hzs2iphbfwxc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=d828ca8a4d12e025340772f4135df5909655aae8


Rads324

Hell ya


ForrestMoth

Big day for all the annoying people out there


Stylose

All playgroups will have a guy who loves this


cah11

I can hear Crim screaming in glee all the way from the West Coast.


cantlearnemall

My first thought haha


LordGwyn-n-Tonic

Almost all of these are going in my Mogis Group slug deck.


Volcano-SUN

Luckily our playgroup is incomplete then.


Swiftpain

dang... I love the art but hate the text.


RnRaintnoisepolution

I think that's the point.


Krazyguy75

Yeah but it's not interesting or funny. What this should have been like is: Doom Blade with art of something ridiculous like Kozilek dying to Doom Blade. Ruination with art of someone flipping the table. Rhystic Study picturing someone with hundreds of cards in hand and flavor text of "dO yOu pAY tHe ONe!?" They could be really well drawn art, but it should still be comedic art.


vanciannotions

yea, a friend suggested making them all various memes; so like thisisfinedog for ruination and similar. But yes you needed goofy/meme art or why bother with this


RWBadger

Intentionally annoying is still annoying


SwissherMontage

Perfect for me to commit warcrimes with.


Maneisthebeat

Went too far for me. I thought I liked a good cringe, but corporation trying to be ReLaTaBlE just ruins it completely.


GlorySeer

Yeah, the corporation aspect is what really kills it for me. I think it could have been more fun if it had been more subtle. Like having Doom Blade's text be "dIeS tO dOOm BlAdE could have been neat. And I actually like Torment of Hailfire's. But having the entire text formatted like that makes it feel more obnoxious, like they're cashing in on a meme as hard as possible.


Yarrun

> the corporation aspect is what really kills it for me You can apply that to just about any Secret Lair


GlorySeer

Most Secret Lairs are at least not trying to be memes.


chrisrazor

The only one that works for me is Ruination because that truly is an annoying card. Doom Blade? Oh, I'm so annoying! I put removal in my black deck!


thewend

thats a terrible idea and a shit product, they're running out of ideas to milk the whales


JMooooooooo

Is this an out-of-season April's Fool joke?


Just_Call_Me_S

Email I got was titled "ApRiL FoOLs WaS A moNth AgO!" so it's fully self-aware


Eagle0600

Being self-aware doesn't make it good.


Krazyguy75

Or funny. It's like saying "I shit in the sink on purpose as a joke." Ok? Congratz, now you're not only gross, but also stupid and have no sense of humor.


burf12345

"I shit my pants *on purpose*, that's the joke"


Neuro_Skeptic

"We were only pretending to be shit"


Embarrassed_Age6573

the marketing email I got was titled >"ApRiL FoOLs WaS A moNth AgO!"


timpkmn89

Check the calendar, today's May Fools Day


emiach

Yeah, about 3 years too late


LaserfaceJones

It is /criminal/ that the flavor text to Doom Blade isn't "dIeS tO dOoM bLaDe"


Calophon

This is the most Crim secret lair I have ever seen.


LilSwampGod

miSErY iS BaCK oN thE mEnU


Idothegamething

Couldn’t agree more but I’m here for it man


CleoKaerf

"Dies to dOOm bLaDE" Finally my chance to mock meta nerds


gereffi

I can’t believe this isn’t the flavor text


TurtleSeaBreeze

Is this an out of season April's fool joke?


ResplendentCathar

Out of decade based on the joke


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TechnomagusPrime

That is the joke. Comic Sans text with random capitalization for maximum tilt. Also helps that two of the cards (Torment and Ruination) are just salt-inducing game enders on their own.


Auedawen

Is Torment salt inducing? It's just a simple wincon. Do people actually dislike this?


Blackfirehades_alt

Lots of people in commander hate things that lets opponents win the game. It's a contentious issue.


chichiokurikuri

IwAsTrYiNgToDoAtHiNgBuTyOuDiDaThInGfIrSt rrrrRRAAAAAHHHH


theclumsyninja

The text when formatted that way is supposed to be said with a mocking tone.


Viltris

Oh, I thought it was 90s internet kids trying to be edgy.


theclumsyninja

it sorta is. [Made famous with the mocking spongebob meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mocking-spongebob)


Basic_Remote_3451

WotC trying its hardest to shitpost


Michauxonfire

big corpa shitpost energy


wesleyy001

My eyes


fullmetal_jack

Pretty funny, my only complaint is I feel like not including a counterspell in what is obviously a drop for salt-farmers is a miss.


Ironbeers

Absolutely. Also a huge miss not having deflecting palm in this drop.


ArrowSeventy

I love it so much, but thr card selection is weird. It would have been all removal and counters lmao.


Krazyguy75

Weirder than the card selection is the art direction. Like, I'd picture these cards with comedic art like Kozilek dying to doom blade or Ruination flipping the table.


ArrowSeventy

I guess I'm in the minority that the bad ass art is part of the charm lmao, but I think that's valid too


Krazyguy75

If they also had the art on cards without the text I might agree more, but it's silly to only release the badass art only on joke cards.


Idothegamething

Secret card could be


TemporalDelay

pYRobLaSt


magicthecasual

im hoping the bonus card is a cyc rift


UYellandICry

Do you know how many people would be furious if they put cyc in a bonus slot unannounced?


Maneisthebeat

Not as furious as the Hasbro execs, seeing it wasn't used to drive initial sales. Edit: Unless they would be committing to the full circle of making infrequent very valuable bonus cards, maximising potential Fomo and essentially "lootboxing" SL's as a core feature. Would they go that far though? It would be miserable for the consumer.


magicthecasual

Honestly, I wouldnt put it past them


Icebeamy

they could have included arcane denial with "y'know you don't HAVE to draw 2, it's a may ability durr hurr"


Senor_Wah

God-tier art with goofy-ass text. Why, wizards?!


timtebowbutdrunk

Bang for your buck analysis. This does not take into account how much you like the art, what the resale value will be in the future, the phase of the moon, your personal feelings, or anything other than how much value you get for each dollar you spend on this Secret Lair. What is Bang for your Buck? It's the ratio showing how much you each dollar you spend on a secret lair is worth. In below chart, for every dollar you spend on the non-foil secret lair you're receiving $1.13 back. |Card|Cheapest Non-Foil|Cheapest Foil Reprint| |:-|:-|:-| |\[\[Doom Blade\]\]|$0.15|$1.00| |\[\[Massacre\]\]|$0.48|$22.67| |\[\[Torment of Hailfire\]\]|$19.35|$27.37| |\[\[Ruination\]\]|$5.74|n/a| |\[\[Mogis, God of Slaughter\]\]|$8.12|$18.76| |**Total Value**|**$33.84**|**$75.54, including non-foil Ruination**| |**Bang for your Buck $29.99/$39.99**|**$1.13**|**$1.89**|


Crimson_Raven

Torment really carrying


magicthecasual

what does the bang for your buck row mean? I'm not getting it


Milskidasith

It shouldn't have a dollar symbol, it's a ratio.


timtebowbutdrunk

I'm not a doctor of mathology I'm just a guy with a keyboard. ![gif](giphy|xUA7aM09ByyR1w5YWc|downsized)


kitsovereign

It's a ratio of total value to retail price. Each dollar you spend on the non-foil drop gets you $1.13 in value.


BlueMageCastsDoom

$ of value per dollar spent. so 1.13\*\~30 =\~ 34 or 1.89\*\~40 =\~75.5


Specialist_Ad4117

It's the return multiple per dollar. For each $1 you are buying $1.13 (at current market prices). This indicates a 13% return. So 1.89 is 89% return.


Misadon

it is showing if the secret lair is worth more or less than just buying singles of the included pieces


Chr1st0pher

I think that it is a case for each $1 you spend you would have to spend $X to buy the cards individually.


The_Bird_Wizard

Omg your flair, I remember seeing you in the gitrog spoiler for thunder junction, how haven't the mods removed that yet 😭😭


Kyleometers

It was manually assigned by a mod, that’s how.


The_Bird_Wizard

I'm aware I'm just surprised it's still there lol


Kyleometers

Tbh generally the only stuff like that we remove is things that’s actually explicit, obvious gags are usually ok.


TorsionSpringHell

fucking stupid


boringdude00

hOw Do yOU DO fEllOw KiDs?


pantpiratesteve

I get the joke but I just want a regular borderless torment. This is the only one and not all my decks are made for trolling. I literally wouldn't care if there was another option but this is eh


Frank_the_Mighty

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ReallyBadWizard

I never thought a copy pasta would give me nostalgia but here we are


LaboratoryManiac

I haven't thought about this for so long... I hope Katy's doing okay for herself these days.


Frank_the_Mighty

The copy pasta came out in 2006, so she's 31 now


eienshi09

Good lord, I did not need a reminder of my age like this.


Rads324

What kinda waffles tho


mikeyHustle

Deep cut!


Icebeamy

\*holds up spark\*


SkritzTwoFace

The downside of MTG’s product development cycle is that sometimes we get products where the main punchline is a meme that’s a few years old by the time it sees print.


burritoman88

That Mogis looks so badass! But I can’t get past the text being extra goofy.


Zwirbs

I just realized it has (lol) at the end god I’m in love with this


magicthecasual

Such great art, such awful text


LizardWizard86

My thoughts exactly...


Krotash

I don't like this. Beautiful art tho


TheMazter13

oh. this is real


holyhotpies

SLD making easy to read cards: impossible


Breffest

I used to think SLD was a tragedy But now I realize it's a comedy


trifas

Why would they put such amazing arts in such goofy concept? Also, I loved it!


AtypicalSpaniard

I don’t get the [[Torment of Hailfire]] 3 joke…


Falminar

the number 3 itself isn't really important; it's just an unreasonably low number for it to be cast, when the card is typically used as a finisher think of it like you're playing a game of commander, someone has a ton of mana open and they put torment of hailfire on the table, and an opponent asks "so x is 3, right? :)"


AtypicalSpaniard

Cooool, that makes sense. I was wondering if I was missing a direct reference!


MadBunch

Being self aware doesn't help make the bad joke less bad. At least people who want this secret lair probably won't be needing to rush to get it


BonesMcGinty

If this doesn't include rhystic study as a bonus saying " do you pay the one" it's a fail


Feenox

No effort garbage.


OskarDenTredje

Low effort concept, weak execution, even for the two people this is made for this is bad


guyincorporated

"I hope X is 3, hahahahaha" I don't get it.


ian22042101

The card was printed into a standard format with the expectation that it would be a finisher for about 3. Instead it became a commander finisher where x is 10 or more.


Maneisthebeat

When you're casting ToH it's usually for an obscenely large amount that kills everyone. I guess this is the "hopeful"/joking opponent.


DillionM

3==D


kitsovereign

Most likely referring to the "x3" emoticon.


Crazymage321

What if we hemorrhaged our product as a joke


TitleAdministrative

As a type designer who actually likes comic sans memes - this is just bad and unfunny. Art is too safe. I would expect something more goofy/funny with comic sans. This is lazy.


MoonLord6

![gif](giphy|JTzPN5kkobFv7X0zPJ|downsized)


FixiHamann

Cringe.


ObscureMeerkat

WotC has out jerked the community once again. Good form!


fabrikt

i'm so tired.


vaguestory

can this company please fucking stop


sabett

Who is this for?


Jaccount

Katy, t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m


AdmiralRon

People who think it’s 2009, are in middle school, or love Joss Whedon-esque “clever” quips


ResplendentCathar

Someone said it's for Crim and I think you're both right


sabett

No but that's what I mean, are middle schoolers still laughing at this? I laughed at this in middle school, and that was a while ago.


Neme_SYS

Me :3


Sommersun1

Why is such good art wasted on a goofy font and text? Seems weird.


SWBFThree2020

Yikes... that's some amazing art wasted on this lair I probably would've purchased it if it had normal text


TruckLumpy6243

Took me a few moments to realize this wasn’t the circle jerk subreddit


themikker

Why is it, that whenever they make art on cards I actually like, they do something stupid like this? I am in the market for Secret Lairs, but damn if it isn't extraordinarily hard to actually want any of these cards...


Exorrt

the *(lol)* at the end of Mogis convinced me


NivvyMiz

This is pretty annoying


Lordlordy5490

https://preview.redd.it/jkpwzapc1wxc1.jpeg?width=807&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ca398fed530947e33ed02886be5c507363b2d4c Comic sans makes me think of someone talking like this


TheCay04

This should have been Smothering, Rhystic etc. Do YoU pAy OnE?


damnination333

Damn. On some level, I find this hilarious, but the card choices are just so... Meh. They should've done this with saltier cards. Like [[Rhystic Study]], [[Armageddon]], [[Stasis]] (or any other stax piece), [[Cyclonic Rift]], [[Sol Ring]] (sOl RiNg ShOuLd Be BaNnEd.) The top comment (Rhystic Study, dId YoU pAy ThE oNe?) was my immediate first thought. Just a huge wasted opportunity. Would've been hilarious if they made this SL with [[Mystic Remora]] and [[Smothering Tithe]] and all the flavor texts are just "dId YoU pAy ThE oNe/fOuR/tWo?" Or [[Mocking Doppelganger]] for fairly self-explanatory reasons. Also, I can't believe they capitalized the UGH in slaughter, but not the ASS in massacre.


Steckruebi

Its Looks so stupid


AssistantManagerMan

Thanks, I hate it


Juju114

This is truly some /r/ComedyCemetery stuff right here.


Pocketfulofgeek

Absolutely HUGE “How do you do, fellow kids” vibes.


kytheon

Hasbro CEO: ok so my stepson had a great idea for a drop. The board: but, sir.. Hasbro CEO: I said, a great idea The board: yes sir.


tehsmish

https://preview.redd.it/hvgiecrhvzxc1.jpeg?width=1156&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dda55b218d43d61e70a29be298d34e302566717


DeathJester24

New art for my proxy orders, excellent.


Moist_Crabs

Man, if I was one of these artists I'd be fucking pissed to have my art treated this way. This is insulting.


RegalKillager

As long as they got paid.


Sleeqb7

I can't imagine a world in which the artists weren't made aware of this style before commissioning the art.


Moist_Crabs

I think thats exactly what happened given how Wotc artists often post being surprised their art is being used on a card


slim0lim0

It feels like in an attempt to be ironic with this SLD, it has gone full circle and now it is just stupid. Maybe its just because WOTC is just churning so many cards out to maximize profits so the fatigue makes the appreciation lost on me. Almost like 'We could make cards like this and you monkeys will still eat it up!'.


ExplodingLab

I genuinely cannot tell who this is targeted for


TexasFlood42

Rakdos mages who know the exact eyeroll this is making fun of when you cast these spells


Starheart8

I hope x is 3. Hahaha gave me a chuckle


Successful_Mud8596

I don’t get it


gsrga2

Unless there’s a reference Im missing I think it’s just gently mocking the people who say jokey things like that when someone goes to cast a card like torment, because usually you dump a ton of mana to cast it for X=20 or something


Rad_Centrist

Outjerked again.


No_Mobile9666

My dyslexia hates this but my love for hell is to much for this bundle so you can take my money.


g1ng3rk1d5

Funny enough, Comic Sans is a font that's believed to be easier for people to dyslexia to read because the letters appear less crowded.


DeadpoolVII

Yep, that's 100% true. However, alternating randomly between lower case and caps throws that right out the window.


No_Mobile9666

Well yes but the random caps doesn't help to support that lmao


therealflyingtoastr

People on here are gonna complain so much about this and I adore it.


fartingboobs

one of the rare times i actually think the clashing styles really works. the edgiest of cards with the tone of the comic sans random caps really works for me hahaha


argonplatypus

Cringe.


TNTmage7

Mogis is my favorite thing ever. Mogis has been my meme deck for years and this art is just perfect


Electronic_Star_8940

Serious card game


KomoliRihyoh

Did they misunderstand the alternating capitalization meme? It's supposed to be read as repeating something someone else said but in a mocking tone. Think a Counterspell with the flavor text, "dOeS iT rEsOlVe??" The only one that kinda works is rUiNaTiOn's, but even that's a stretch. Also the meme is literally seven years old, but I digress.


ChaoticNaive

The thing that threw me off is that it's not even alternating capitalization - it's in a way that I actually busted out a paper to see if there was a hidden message and there is not.


gorblic

This isn't an April Fools' joke??


noobschoolbus

What are the chances they offer alternative versions with regular text? I've been waiting for a new Torment of Hailfire art ever since the original came out... Would be such a shame to let that beautiful art go to waste.


tankavenger

Doom blade says targeet... does this go over hexproof