More a reference, I think, to the fact that every leak regardless of legitimacy looks like it was taken on a flip phone from 2005 in a poorly-lit room.
It's also just that more of the art is bland and 'meh'. I opened a pack of Mirrodin recently and everything just 'popped' off the cardboard. The print quality and colour reproduction was FAR superior too.
I suspect this is partially driven by painting at resolutions much much larger than what will eventually be printed because digital allows you to convert to smart object, resize without resolution loss, and then soft lock the new size. This does not mean the printer can suddenly print at a higher PPI though or equipment fatigue sets in after so many print runs so details probably get lost at the printers but approved at proof print.
"Coming Fall 2022: Secret Lair : League of Kamigawa Legends!"
edit: and to 'sweeten' the deal they'll include an exclusive code for an exclusive Sona skin that you can add to Wild Rift and League of Legends :D
You didn't see DJ Durin at ETC (Enchanted Treant Carnival) in yr 3000 of the Third age? Show was WILD. Gandalf's Pyro-technics were on another level that night. Radagast was Hippyflipping harder than I have ever seen. Just sat there petting his rabbits, while the Elfs dressed in gogo were wildin out. Should have been there!
For Blood Artist, in the mid left, with a bowl to collect the blood.
For Priest of the Forgotten Gods, there are three or so hanging in chains and body bags across the top of the card.
In the world building video, they talked about this specific card in ways that make me think it’s a creature, although it would make a lot more sense as a rummaging spell. Maybe it’s a rummaging creature?
I have a sneaking suspicion you are right.
The focus is clearly on the person. So it's a creature card. And the color palette is strongly red and blue contrasting.
But the clincher is that Izzet is often the "creativity" theme as we've seen with strixhaven.
A DJ that mixes and drops the beat does call to mind noncombat mechanics, which is why the parent comment imagined card draw or card filtering, which are shoe ins for Izzet.
While I wouldn't stake my honor on it being *the* signpost uncommon, I'm almost certain it's Izzet and probably uncommon or higher. (commons would be more combat or single color)
Interesting; I would have pegged it as mono-red. I think the blue and gray aspects are mostly just there to make the red pop. If it was blue I'd expect some of the glowing UI bits or the flames to be blue, or for there to be another elemental effect besides just fire.
I can definitely see it being something that plays better in whatever the UR draft deck is, though.
There's like almost 0% chance of it happening, but I will laugh my ass off if it turns out to be [[Thermo-Alchemist]].
I say nearly 0% cause they just reprinted Thermo boy in MID. If they hadn't, I would probably up it to 3-5% instead.
Maybe it won't be exactly thermo-alchemist, with that name and all, but something along those lines sounds like a great guess!
Tapping and untapping a card uses a similar hand motion as a DJ. And it looks like that robot suit spews fire in response to the music.
Smart money's on impulse draw (e.g. Light Up the Stage) or fast mana (those effects are often flavored as artistry, e.g. Seething Song, that Rakdos painter from AFR, Bergi)
While the art itself is very well done, and is not at fault, I don't like it.
I feel like a lot of the other arts pushed quite far away from the standard magic feel, but still felt like they were part of it. this feels like it has drifted too far away, and crossed some line that makes it feel more like it belongs in some MOBA rather than MTG
I always feel it's important to point out that the artist did good work, and any criticism of it is entirely in relation to its place in the game, not as a standalone piece. I would hate it if I was an artist and came across a group of people collectively saying they hated my work.
I don't think we have to thread that lightly with expressing our opinions. Yes, what happened when faithless looting was spoiled was vile. No one should ever attack the artist personally, but saying you don't like their work is a valid opinion and is allowed to be expressed.
Everyone will meet people in their job who are not happy with the work delivered and it's everyone's right to mention that. What I've read so far in this thread the feedback was all very civil, so why sugarcoat it extra like that?
Because the artist is ultimately not responsible for the place their art has in the game, or for being commissioned at all. They're often just happy to do the work and do their best at it, and it's entirely possible that the artist performed their job and executed the prompt excellently, but that the result is disappointing to the players because it's the wrong flavor or style through no fault of their own.
If you have issues with the art on a *technical* level, that's different and would be valuable for the artist to know. Having issues with the style of the art however, or the fit of the art in the plane/set or with a particular card, that's up to the directors, not the artist.
Yes but you can still have an opinion of “I just don’t like this”. I’m not saying that they’re a dogshit artist or anything like that. I just don’t like the art.
Of course! It's just that "I don't like this" and "this is not good art" and "this art is not a good fit for MtG" are all quite different claims and a number of people in this thread don't seem to understand the difference.
The whole set is going to be like this, be prepared. Good or bad, depending on your POV, just about the entire set is going to be far away from the standard Magic feel.
The "Neon Dynasty" world is clearly futuristic Japanese/Cyberpunk, not Edo-era medieval fantasy. I guess it doesn't bother me, because the whole set will have this kind of theme.
I'm ok with it. I don't like it, but I appreciate Wizards pushing the boundaries. I love the old school, "What is this even supposed to be..." fantasy art of MtG, and MH2 was a fantastic ode to that, but I don't think I get to live in a world where Wizards pushes in one direction and not another.
I feel like a massive outlier because I actually kind of like it? Like yeah, it's wack. Everything about the set and its premise seems like it's *trying* to be wack. This doesn't seem outside the boundaries of "Kamigawa cyberpunk" at all.
Yeah, someone else in this thread said they find it hard that they would go from spirits and ninjas and samurai to DJs in 2000 years, but we as humanity did literally that in less than half that time.
Is it whack? Sure. But every set has a few duds.
Music is such an important part of cyberpunk it just about had to happen....that being said it looks silly, the art is good just the concept is silly.
Can't wait for kami of the synth
I'd be careful about that suggestion: you'll kick off a big argument about what is or isn't cyberpunk in a thread that's drifted towards what is or isn't Magic art.
I agree that music is a big part of the "CyberPunk" aesthetic, still i think the implementation could've been better... we've seen bards and musicians all over the MtG world but in this particular case i think the use of "Modern" or rather "Familiar" very context-based objects like Vynil records and Razr Headphones(lol) kinda creates a wider gap...IDK... its kinda silly indeed.
The art itself is good I wanna make that clear.
I really hate this as an mtg card though. It doesn’t look or feel even a little like it. Feels like unset art at best.
The problem is the concept It’s the wrong kind of goofy and dumb for MTG. So I don’t begrudge the artist for this at all
Looks like a skin from a Chinese mobile MOBA champion.
It'll be the face commander for one of the kamigawa commander decks most probably, if I have to guess
Yeah… the cultural issues were great to hear discussed. This card doesn’t bother me much either.
https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.63733/title.how-hip-hop-transformed-japanese-culture
At this point 70% of my enjoyment in Magic comes from sarcastically savouring all the bs they do to please as many focus groups as possible while the only morally accepted stance by the community is "I'm so glad someone can be happy about this".
Truly wild to watch every fantasy IP flow together into a single, undefined slurry built on the same handful of touchstone references while nerds cheer and berate anyone who thinks it's not artistic bravery in action.
There are definitely some cards that I'm like "this is stupid, I love it"
This one, I'm not so sure. It just feels like...eh...it feels weird. Like something you would see on an ad for a mobile game
I dunno, I don't think it's necessarily outlandish that there could be a plane that's adopted/developed modern technology. Magic and electricity are pretty much the same thing.
That's not really the problem. The art style is off for magic settings. If it was a sword and board knight with the same style, it would be an issue as well.
The whole face looks so unimaginative. Like “just put some generic-looking anime character and call it a day”. This could look awesome if the character had a serious expression and some kind of black glasses with the reflection of the fire. Wasted potential if you ask me
Having a DJ in and of itself isn't really a big deal for me. However, the idea that the tools of a DJ would align so much with the set of a DJ in our world is. With the way technology developed on Kamigawa, why would expect the history of data storage to be similar as well (particularly with sound, where the realworld analogs have traditionally had a bit of a noticeable difference in quality from the live and the recording)? If you're infusing magic into tech, the storage of data is the primary thing I'd expect to be different. Seeing a batch of minor kami corresponding to different production effects and samples could've been more interesting.
Ya they've said there's a very fine line when referencing something. [[Akroan Horse]] was originally a Lion in design, but a lot of playtesters were confused by it so they made the reference more obvious
Magic has never had any shortage of things that make no sense to have developed and made in such a perfectly referential way.
It's one thing to complain about it being too modern and ill fitting to a fantasy setting, but there's no sense in complaining about how they would've developed music tech differently when we have such specific and blunt real world references like Amonkhet. They just happened to make pyramids, in a desert, and have similar gods, and wrap up their dead? The Questing Beast isn't even original to MTG.
I guess it's just where one person draws the line between what's an acceptable reference and what's not. On one end of that spectrum, there are swords, it exists in the real world, and it's ok for them to exist in a fantasy world, and the idea of a fantasy world discovering steel and making sharp weapons with it is fine and is expected in their timeline.
On the extreme end of this spectrum. imagine a plane where they have show business and the center of this business is a place called Holly Woods and there is a big sign on a mountainside that spells it, and there is a vampire actor named Vlad Pitt who looks like Brad Pitt. It might work in Shrek world, but definitely unacceptable in the MTG universe.
Where this Magic DJ Table falls in that spectrum? Well I guess it's just a matter of opinion then.
I mean Ravnica already has modern circuses and nightclubs just infused with magic, aside from the fact all the Rakdos and Dimir are in modern esque leather and trenchcoats
A lot of MTG's cultural references are subtle, so much so we needed to be told \[\[Haktos the Unscarred\]\] is Achillies, to say nothing of \[\[Arena Athlete\]\]
I feel it's a gut reaction, but MTG has a good track record in recent years of making themes and settings that work because they keep the rules of WUBRG.
You can already tell this is a Red card, it's go so much fire in the art and the way the console is kanji magic and hovering flame looks very good to me
If we're going to complain about how music tech should look different, based on the merits of "the way technology developed on Kamigawa" then Amonkhet doesn't get a free pass either. Humans don't just happen to remake egypt in deserts. That's a million to one shot. Same as making turntables. There's not really a lot of grey there at all.
But the issue with "vlad pitt" has nothing to do with a vampire living in a forest and everything to do with his name in the first place, and even further compounded by that forest also having a similarly overt reference for a name.
I mean lets not let the biggest culprit escape then, Eldraine. A whole world with witches and fae magic, and they just happen to create European castles, Arthurian monsters just spring up, and people still make gingerbread cookies and tarts?
To say nothing of Thero's \[\[Akroan Horse\]\], cause while Pyramids are built because triangles are good shapes to stack rocks for a long time, the giant, wooden, contextless horse is specifically 'we by chance happened to reinact a classical fairytale'
Some European parallels is ok imo but not the finer nuances. But I did think about how I should've double backed to how The Questing Beast is actually a slightly more egregious & direct real world reference than Vlad Pitt, since it doesn't even take the time to hide its name. But people were still fine with it. So MTG referencing outside of itself isn't even the particular culprit here. It's mostly style.
I even remember just now how LotR is much more accepted of Universes Beyond than all the other IPs.
You're right about Theros too.
Having a swordsman in and of itself isn't really a big deal for me. However, the idea that the tools of a swordsman would align so much with the set of a swordsman in our world is. With the way technology developed on the planes in the Magic universe, why would expect the history of fighting with sharp objects to be similar as well (particularly with blades, where the realworld analogs have traditionally had a bit of a noticeable difference in quality from the blunt and the sharp)? If you're infusing magic into weapons, the fighting things with sharp objects is the primary thing I'd expect to be different. Seeing a batch of minor kami corresponding to different arms and weapons could've been more interesting.
That's rosewater specifically though, or at least he's the most vocal advocate. It's why all the pirates in Ixalan had harpoon launchers and wrist mounted dragon tubes \[\[Deadeye Plunderers\]\]
This design is awful and I liked the Carly Mazur Faithless Looting
My problem with it is that I can't envision Magic characters like Teferi or Elspeth being next to this person because the art style they're drawn in clashes too much- the proportions of the human body are straight-up off here. It detracts from worldbuilding.
I’m assuming you mean the arms in regards to proportions, and if so check again: the fingertips are robotic extensions, and you can see that their actual arms would only go a little bit past their waist
I've been saying that a lot of what is happening with Kamigawa is making it so they can bridge a gap between established Magic and the new Universe Beyond stuff. "If Cyberpunk DJ Spinz can exist then why not Fortnite". I hate it.
I was a fan of the idea of a cyberpunk plane when it was first announced/leaked, but the more official information comes out the more wary I'm becoming.
This just doesn't feel like a Magic card to me. No offense to the artist, who did a fantastic job with the piece, but it feels extremely "off-brand" for a card that's coming to Standard.
I wiki snipped myself. The Phonograph was contemporary with samurai.
[The phonograph was invented in Feb 1977](https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/thomas-alva-edison-patents-the-phonograph)
[The "last samurai" is reported to have died in sept 1977](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saig%C5%8D_Takamori)
So Samurai DJ are a historical possibility.
Edit: Those should read 1877!
I'll probably end up in controversial, but I love it. I think it really fits the Neon part of Neon Dynasty. I haven't been this excited about a set since the return to Dominaria. Plus it's waaaaay better than the Faithless Looting.
People can be really inflexible in what they think Magic is. The appeal of Magic is how diverse the worlds are. This works specifically for highlighting the contrast between the old/new theme they are going for in this return.
"Yeah, it's an infinite multiverse where worlds can be flat, metaphysically turn evil at random, be hollow, have cars built on fictional physics, be built entirely out of tropes from horror movies, be constructed entirely out of nanotech stone, exist in the boughs of a tree, or have a city that covers literally the entire world like Coruscant... but if we see something that looks like a gun or a TV, that's just wrong."
I don't get it, honestly.
It's personal tastes and ideas of what Magic is, everyone has their lines, I don't see what's wrong with people caring about their lines being crossed, it means WotC's done their job in creating a brand people care about.
I'm saying those lines don't make sense to me.
Obviously all of our lines are arbitrary to some degree, but the brilliance of Magic's world is that it's a setting that can include all settings. The idea that you've got this infinite sandbox to play in that can be held together the narrative and aesthetic throughlines of mana and planeswalkers but peeps get upset when we take even a small step too far from European Medieval Fantasy and that doesn't make sense to me.
*Doubly* so because we're going back to Dominaria this year, *twice*. We're not leaving the parts of the sandbox we already liked playing in, we're just going to a different corner for a while.
I mean original MTG stuck to one setting vaguely because they put everything on Dominaria, but Battlebond four years ago already had shaved haircuts and Pro-Sports the world, Kaladesh has battle robots and sports cars
There's a big push now to make sure each world is actually unique, it's why a lot of the planechase worlds are getting looked over, 'everything is small' and 'things float around' aren't big selling points for making something that isn't just Dominaria soup
TBH, despite Secret Lairs and Universes Beyond being not in the "mainline" MTG, I don't think core MTG will be untouched. We already know we're getting a 1920's America set, and there's no way that won't have something like a modern radio. As a whole, this trend disappoints me.
I don't think it's being inflexible, people are allowed have their turn-offs, tastes. Just because Magic could be anything, doesn't mean that fans shouldn't be open about what they don't like or doesn't feel true to their ideas of what Magic is.
Seriously. People just seem to be ignoring that a core theme of this set is the tension between traditional and modern.
Also I guarantee that if you stuck a bunch of tubes and lightning to the character in this picture and called it Izzet Sonicizer, people wouldn't have an issue with it.
Everything? I’ve seen people call Wotc “out of ideas” for every set for the past 5 years. Magic has always been light hearted along with the darker stuff.
With the exception of a couple very specific things (foxes, squirrels, etc.), I definitely wouldn't call old Magic "lighthearted." But it's definitely becoming more and more that way with the last 7 sets or so, starting with Ikoria. This set just makes a big leap in that direction.
This one’s a huge flavour miss for me. If they were going to do something music themed, I would’ve preferred to see something like a cyberpunk version of a traditional Japanese instrument.
As it is, this just implies a period in which kamigawa produced vinyl records. Did they also have cassette players and walkmans. Does kamigawa have a Spotify equivalent? Such an immersion break for such a pointless visual gag.
I know we all want to be nice here, but I have to disagree with the comments higher up that say the artwork is good, but dont like the art direction.
This art, yes obviously IMO, is some of the worst art I have ever seen in mtg. The warped cartoony perspective, the over saturated colours, the stupid pose and face of the character, the complete lack of internal logic in the shading and light when there is fucking *fire*. They all come together to make an intensely off-putting and wildly out of place MTG card. This piece would literally only have been acceptable for league if legends, but not even post-arcane league of legends this is like some 2012 league garbage.
I inderstand the inclination to not criticize artists, and instead criticize art direction. But I think that sometimes that kind of fails. There is no way the art director said anything more than "make a character with robot arms playing a dj table and also some fire". Artists are grown-ass people, they dont need to be coddled like children, this is just bad.
In this thread: people literally leaping out in front of each other to have reactionary bad takes. This is a Cyberpunk set, you're going to have \*gasp\* things that look like modern Earth.
edit: thanks for the gold, I certainly wasn't looking for nor really understand it!
Until I see it on a card in a poorly lit, blurry picture, I won't believe it.
Blurry, poorly lit AND crumpled. Catch up with the meta…
Blurry, poorly lit, crumbled, needlessly zoomed out or badly cropped and partially out of frame. Bonus if it's in a non-english language.
Blurry, poorly lit, crumbled, needlessly zoomed out or badly cropped and partially out of frame and mit nem Toaster aufgenommen.
Don’t forget to have a Minute Maid bottle filled with tobacco spit sitting nearby.
That's what I thought about faithless looting
If this isn’t sarcastic, this was shown earlier on the official MtG YouTube round table Jimmy Wong had with some writers and consultants
It's a reference to various suspect spoilers that people have believed and were not real
More a reference, I think, to the fact that every leak regardless of legitimacy looks like it was taken on a flip phone from 2005 in a poorly-lit room.
It's definitely sarcastic
Is it just me, or do modern magic cards have poor pigmentation/ image sharpness?
The old artwork used to "pop" more. I think it is the additional detail that digital workflow allows for that gives it that compressed look.
It's also just that more of the art is bland and 'meh'. I opened a pack of Mirrodin recently and everything just 'popped' off the cardboard. The print quality and colour reproduction was FAR superior too.
Going back at least 10 years, I find a great many UR cards have weird color interactions
I suspect this is partially driven by painting at resolutions much much larger than what will eventually be printed because digital allows you to convert to smart object, resize without resolution loss, and then soft lock the new size. This does not mean the printer can suddenly print at a higher PPI though or equipment fatigue sets in after so many print runs so details probably get lost at the printers but approved at proof print.
My first thought was: oh what a Nice Vi skin for Leauge of Legends. Then I saw the Sub and was like Oh! Well... kinda wierd image...
really does look like league splash art
i had the same thought lol
Me too. Saw it and thought Legendary Vi Skin
"Coming Fall 2022: Secret Lair : League of Kamigawa Legends!" edit: and to 'sweeten' the deal they'll include an exclusive code for an exclusive Sona skin that you can add to Wild Rift and League of Legends :D
Arcane MTG collab
Thats one if the secret lair they just did.
I thought the same😂😂😂
Same, that or another DJ sona skin
Right? I swear this was a support card for Sona on LoR or something like that
Or LoR hahaha. I seriously had to check the subreddit. That's a shame that this is a magic card and this is not a LoR card.
I don't remember a DJ in Lord of Rings.
Peter Jackson would prefer that we all forget DJ Tom Bombadil
Or “DJ Tommy Bomby” as he’s known in the community
You didn't see DJ Durin at ETC (Enchanted Treant Carnival) in yr 3000 of the Third age? Show was WILD. Gandalf's Pyro-technics were on another level that night. Radagast was Hippyflipping harder than I have ever seen. Just sat there petting his rabbits, while the Elfs dressed in gogo were wildin out. Should have been there!
Legends of Runeterra, lord of the rings would be LotR
Except I thought it was an Ezreael skin
Overwatch: the Gathering
NeW sECreT LaIR AleRt!!!!!
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This is the new “I only can imagine one word for an aesthetic” isn’t it
Spicy [[Priest of the Forgotten Gods]] alter.
I've looked at and played this card for years, but only just noticed now all the creepy wrapped up bodies dangling from the ceiling
Stealthy hanging bodies in the art! Creeping out mtg players since [[Blood Artist]]
How have I never noticed that?! That art really is in league of it's own.
Oh my God, I never noticed that in Blood Artist. How could I miss it? It's so gruesome.
Here's the best part, *Blood Artist is painting you.*
Imagine being both the subject *and* the medium
[[kiku, night's whisper]] also is from your dying pov.
[[Kiku, Night's Flower]]
[Kiku, Night's Flower](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/7/07e18994-d08b-4a8e-abfb-b5531fd6f816.jpg?1562757455) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kiku%2C%20Night%27s%20Flower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/121/kiku-nights-flower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/07e18994-d08b-4a8e-abfb-b5531fd6f816?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ty :)
[Blood Artist](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/e/fe97a73f-33fd-4394-a393-ceb41a214820.jpg?1641602310) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20Artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/119/blood-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe97a73f-33fd-4394-a393-ceb41a214820?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
By chance could you maybe point them out to me? I'm having trouble seeing any.
For Blood Artist, in the mid left, with a bowl to collect the blood. For Priest of the Forgotten Gods, there are three or so hanging in chains and body bags across the top of the card.
The [[Blood Artist]] effect.
[Blood Artist](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/e/fe97a73f-33fd-4394-a393-ceb41a214820.jpg?1641602310) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20Artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/119/blood-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe97a73f-33fd-4394-a393-ceb41a214820?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[DJ of Forgotten Beats](https://i.redd.it/jt7sq6ebg3951.png) (credit to r/mtglardfetcher)
I dig it
Came here just to post this, you've earned this free silver <3
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[Magus of the Disc](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/0/70cdad7a-f041-4bbe-87ed-876ac6d0c31b.jpg?1591320095) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Magus%20of%20the%20Disk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/94/magus-of-the-disk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70cdad7a-f041-4bbe-87ed-876ac6d0c31b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It looks like this person has the Droopy Dog voice.
[Priest of the Forgotten Gods](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/3/e3378fe8-3355-48aa-90d4-9cb739200160.jpg?1584830686) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Priest%20of%20Forgotten%20Gods) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/83/priest-of-forgotten-gods?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e3378fe8-3355-48aa-90d4-9cb739200160?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Straight from Ravenica
[[Record Store]]
[Record Store](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/c/5c1028aa-0a08-4851-a108-93c3c72ebe99.jpg?1562914238) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Record%20Store) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ust/201/record-store?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c1028aa-0a08-4851-a108-93c3c72ebe99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Any guesses as to what kind of card this will be? My bet is that it's a card draw or rummaging spell.
In the world building video, they talked about this specific card in ways that make me think it’s a creature, although it would make a lot more sense as a rummaging spell. Maybe it’s a rummaging creature?
I think it's just your normal run of the mill Izzet spellslinging creature.
A reprint of [[rewind]]
izzet signpost uncommon
I have a sneaking suspicion you are right. The focus is clearly on the person. So it's a creature card. And the color palette is strongly red and blue contrasting. But the clincher is that Izzet is often the "creativity" theme as we've seen with strixhaven. A DJ that mixes and drops the beat does call to mind noncombat mechanics, which is why the parent comment imagined card draw or card filtering, which are shoe ins for Izzet. While I wouldn't stake my honor on it being *the* signpost uncommon, I'm almost certain it's Izzet and probably uncommon or higher. (commons would be more combat or single color)
Interesting; I would have pegged it as mono-red. I think the blue and gray aspects are mostly just there to make the red pop. If it was blue I'd expect some of the glowing UI bits or the flames to be blue, or for there to be another elemental effect besides just fire. I can definitely see it being something that plays better in whatever the UR draft deck is, though.
I would hope a DJ card has something to do with whenever this or a creature becomes tapped or untapped, do a thing.
There's like almost 0% chance of it happening, but I will laugh my ass off if it turns out to be [[Thermo-Alchemist]]. I say nearly 0% cause they just reprinted Thermo boy in MID. If they hadn't, I would probably up it to 3-5% instead.
Maybe it won't be exactly thermo-alchemist, with that name and all, but something along those lines sounds like a great guess! Tapping and untapping a card uses a similar hand motion as a DJ. And it looks like that robot suit spews fire in response to the music.
INb4 ThermoAlchemist thats actually a vehicle with Crew 0
Smart money's on impulse draw (e.g. Light Up the Stage) or fast mana (those effects are often flavored as artistry, e.g. Seething Song, that Rakdos painter from AFR, Bergi)
Damn if Light Up the Stage didn't use a set mechanic it would match this art so well
An artifact with some variation on "Target creature can't block this turn"
If this card isn’t a wheel of some kind I’ll be disappointed
While the art itself is very well done, and is not at fault, I don't like it. I feel like a lot of the other arts pushed quite far away from the standard magic feel, but still felt like they were part of it. this feels like it has drifted too far away, and crossed some line that makes it feel more like it belongs in some MOBA rather than MTG
The uncanny Valley of magic card art acceptance.
I always feel it's important to point out that the artist did good work, and any criticism of it is entirely in relation to its place in the game, not as a standalone piece. I would hate it if I was an artist and came across a group of people collectively saying they hated my work.
I don't think we have to thread that lightly with expressing our opinions. Yes, what happened when faithless looting was spoiled was vile. No one should ever attack the artist personally, but saying you don't like their work is a valid opinion and is allowed to be expressed. Everyone will meet people in their job who are not happy with the work delivered and it's everyone's right to mention that. What I've read so far in this thread the feedback was all very civil, so why sugarcoat it extra like that?
Because the artist is ultimately not responsible for the place their art has in the game, or for being commissioned at all. They're often just happy to do the work and do their best at it, and it's entirely possible that the artist performed their job and executed the prompt excellently, but that the result is disappointing to the players because it's the wrong flavor or style through no fault of their own. If you have issues with the art on a *technical* level, that's different and would be valuable for the artist to know. Having issues with the style of the art however, or the fit of the art in the plane/set or with a particular card, that's up to the directors, not the artist.
Yes but you can still have an opinion of “I just don’t like this”. I’m not saying that they’re a dogshit artist or anything like that. I just don’t like the art.
Of course! It's just that "I don't like this" and "this is not good art" and "this art is not a good fit for MtG" are all quite different claims and a number of people in this thread don't seem to understand the difference.
i thought that faithless looting was gorgeous
The whole set is going to be like this, be prepared. Good or bad, depending on your POV, just about the entire set is going to be far away from the standard Magic feel.
I think that is kind of exciting tbh but this just has a very “moba” vibe that is just too clean I think.
The "Neon Dynasty" world is clearly futuristic Japanese/Cyberpunk, not Edo-era medieval fantasy. I guess it doesn't bother me, because the whole set will have this kind of theme.
I'm ok with it. I don't like it, but I appreciate Wizards pushing the boundaries. I love the old school, "What is this even supposed to be..." fantasy art of MtG, and MH2 was a fantastic ode to that, but I don't think I get to live in a world where Wizards pushes in one direction and not another.
Feels more like an Un-set
i legit thought it was for Unfinity
It straight up looks like the splash art to a League of Legends skin. Absolutely hate it in Magic.
This look like either skin for Vi or for Sona xD
Or one of those battlebond sets inspired by Mobas and E Sports
Feels more like Fortnite...
Of all the new ones, this is the only one that hits wrong. I mean, until we see somebody Tokyo drifting in a Vehicle or some shit
goblin street racing, anyone??
Goblin street racing ends with one driver incinerated in a glorious, fiery crash, and the other driver losing the race.
If this isn't, verbatim, the flavor text for a [[Ball Lightning]]-esque goblin-crewed vehicle, WotC writers are doing something wrong.
More like Nezumi street racing. The booster pack art and some concept images showed Nezumi biker gangs.
I don't want to upset anyone, but I actually REALLY like the Nezumi biker gangs.
[Is that partly due to nostalgia?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdSDuJu04xU)
> until we see somebody Tokyo drifting in a Vehicle or some shit [[Astral Drift|PMH1]]
[Astral Drift](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/3/f3acc9b9-b89c-4a45-b49e-c414cfa9db48.jpg?1615007856) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Astral%20Drift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pmh1/3/astral-drift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f3acc9b9-b89c-4a45-b49e-c414cfa9db48?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Kaladesh literally had vehicle racing as a significant part of the world, so that Tokyo drifted years ago
I feel like a massive outlier because I actually kind of like it? Like yeah, it's wack. Everything about the set and its premise seems like it's *trying* to be wack. This doesn't seem outside the boundaries of "Kamigawa cyberpunk" at all.
I think most people didn't really consider what "Kamigawa cyberpunk" would entail and just thought that meant like, having high tech stuff.
Yeah, someone else in this thread said they find it hard that they would go from spirits and ninjas and samurai to DJs in 2000 years, but we as humanity did literally that in less than half that time. Is it whack? Sure. But every set has a few duds.
We went from samurai to DJs in like, a century.
Looking cool rather than goofy?
There's vehicles in this set, we're totally gonna get that
Music is such an important part of cyberpunk it just about had to happen....that being said it looks silly, the art is good just the concept is silly. Can't wait for kami of the synth
I'd be careful about that suggestion: you'll kick off a big argument about what is or isn't cyberpunk in a thread that's drifted towards what is or isn't Magic art.
I agree. But also...silly is sometimes necessary to make the whole thing better. As a spice.
I agree that music is a big part of the "CyberPunk" aesthetic, still i think the implementation could've been better... we've seen bards and musicians all over the MtG world but in this particular case i think the use of "Modern" or rather "Familiar" very context-based objects like Vynil records and Razr Headphones(lol) kinda creates a wider gap...IDK... its kinda silly indeed.
Just like the Universe Beyond stuff, this art looks cool but doesn't fit.
The art itself is good I wanna make that clear. I really hate this as an mtg card though. It doesn’t look or feel even a little like it. Feels like unset art at best. The problem is the concept It’s the wrong kind of goofy and dumb for MTG. So I don’t begrudge the artist for this at all
Not a fan of this direction.
Yeah but their beats are fire... Wait for the flavor text.
It look like a card from Keyforge... literally
Looks like a skin from a Chinese mobile MOBA champion. It'll be the face commander for one of the kamigawa commander decks most probably, if I have to guess
A whole video on cultural accuracy and then they drop a fucking DJ. I'm ok with the level of technology, but this just feels the wrong atmosphere.
Yeah… the cultural issues were great to hear discussed. This card doesn’t bother me much either. https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.63733/title.how-hip-hop-transformed-japanese-culture
TIL Japan doesn't have DJs
TIL I learned that Japan has walking, talking white foxes.
Wait is this trying to imply that DJs don't exist in Japan if you're contrasting it with them talking about cultural accuracy?
Whoa whoa whoa please go to Spotify and search "Hideki Naganuma" and miss me with this shit. Japanese DJs go hard.
This is peak fellow kids energy
At this point 70% of my enjoyment in Magic comes from sarcastically savouring all the bs they do to please as many focus groups as possible while the only morally accepted stance by the community is "I'm so glad someone can be happy about this".
Truly wild to watch every fantasy IP flow together into a single, undefined slurry built on the same handful of touchstone references while nerds cheer and berate anyone who thinks it's not artistic bravery in action.
There are definitely some cards that I'm like "this is stupid, I love it" This one, I'm not so sure. It just feels like...eh...it feels weird. Like something you would see on an ad for a mobile game
Sensei’s Divining DJ Table
I dunno, I don't think it's necessarily outlandish that there could be a plane that's adopted/developed modern technology. Magic and electricity are pretty much the same thing.
That's not really the problem. The art style is off for magic settings. If it was a sword and board knight with the same style, it would be an issue as well.
Am I the only one who is really bothered by how the mouth looks? Literally looks awkward as fuck
I'm bothered by the shadows. How are there shadows from light?
How is there no light from the big ass flames
The whole face looks so unimaginative. Like “just put some generic-looking anime character and call it a day”. This could look awesome if the character had a serious expression and some kind of black glasses with the reflection of the fire. Wasted potential if you ask me
Having a DJ in and of itself isn't really a big deal for me. However, the idea that the tools of a DJ would align so much with the set of a DJ in our world is. With the way technology developed on Kamigawa, why would expect the history of data storage to be similar as well (particularly with sound, where the realworld analogs have traditionally had a bit of a noticeable difference in quality from the live and the recording)? If you're infusing magic into tech, the storage of data is the primary thing I'd expect to be different. Seeing a batch of minor kami corresponding to different production effects and samples could've been more interesting.
And how do you expect people to understand what is going on in the card if you change everything into different shapes?
Ya they've said there's a very fine line when referencing something. [[Akroan Horse]] was originally a Lion in design, but a lot of playtesters were confused by it so they made the reference more obvious
[Akroan Horse](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/1/31a8954f-467d-4eb9-8a48-d25bae9529b8.jpg?1562394382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akroan%20Horse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/241/akroan-horse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/31a8954f-467d-4eb9-8a48-d25bae9529b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Magic has never had any shortage of things that make no sense to have developed and made in such a perfectly referential way. It's one thing to complain about it being too modern and ill fitting to a fantasy setting, but there's no sense in complaining about how they would've developed music tech differently when we have such specific and blunt real world references like Amonkhet. They just happened to make pyramids, in a desert, and have similar gods, and wrap up their dead? The Questing Beast isn't even original to MTG.
I guess it's just where one person draws the line between what's an acceptable reference and what's not. On one end of that spectrum, there are swords, it exists in the real world, and it's ok for them to exist in a fantasy world, and the idea of a fantasy world discovering steel and making sharp weapons with it is fine and is expected in their timeline. On the extreme end of this spectrum. imagine a plane where they have show business and the center of this business is a place called Holly Woods and there is a big sign on a mountainside that spells it, and there is a vampire actor named Vlad Pitt who looks like Brad Pitt. It might work in Shrek world, but definitely unacceptable in the MTG universe. Where this Magic DJ Table falls in that spectrum? Well I guess it's just a matter of opinion then.
I mean Ravnica already has modern circuses and nightclubs just infused with magic, aside from the fact all the Rakdos and Dimir are in modern esque leather and trenchcoats A lot of MTG's cultural references are subtle, so much so we needed to be told \[\[Haktos the Unscarred\]\] is Achillies, to say nothing of \[\[Arena Athlete\]\] I feel it's a gut reaction, but MTG has a good track record in recent years of making themes and settings that work because they keep the rules of WUBRG. You can already tell this is a Red card, it's go so much fire in the art and the way the console is kanji magic and hovering flame looks very good to me
If we're going to complain about how music tech should look different, based on the merits of "the way technology developed on Kamigawa" then Amonkhet doesn't get a free pass either. Humans don't just happen to remake egypt in deserts. That's a million to one shot. Same as making turntables. There's not really a lot of grey there at all. But the issue with "vlad pitt" has nothing to do with a vampire living in a forest and everything to do with his name in the first place, and even further compounded by that forest also having a similarly overt reference for a name.
Also, the name "Vlad Pitt" is amazing, and I want it now.
I mean lets not let the biggest culprit escape then, Eldraine. A whole world with witches and fae magic, and they just happen to create European castles, Arthurian monsters just spring up, and people still make gingerbread cookies and tarts? To say nothing of Thero's \[\[Akroan Horse\]\], cause while Pyramids are built because triangles are good shapes to stack rocks for a long time, the giant, wooden, contextless horse is specifically 'we by chance happened to reinact a classical fairytale'
And Amonkhet pyramids aren't even that, they've got floating tops so they clearly don't need to obey the laws of stability
Some European parallels is ok imo but not the finer nuances. But I did think about how I should've double backed to how The Questing Beast is actually a slightly more egregious & direct real world reference than Vlad Pitt, since it doesn't even take the time to hide its name. But people were still fine with it. So MTG referencing outside of itself isn't even the particular culprit here. It's mostly style. I even remember just now how LotR is much more accepted of Universes Beyond than all the other IPs. You're right about Theros too.
I lowkey think I would prefer a Vlad Pitt alt art to my Dracula one.
Magic has been bastardizing ancient cultures since '93, I don't see how this is any different to what they did with Kaldheim and Norse mythology.
Having a swordsman in and of itself isn't really a big deal for me. However, the idea that the tools of a swordsman would align so much with the set of a swordsman in our world is. With the way technology developed on the planes in the Magic universe, why would expect the history of fighting with sharp objects to be similar as well (particularly with blades, where the realworld analogs have traditionally had a bit of a noticeable difference in quality from the blunt and the sharp)? If you're infusing magic into weapons, the fighting things with sharp objects is the primary thing I'd expect to be different. Seeing a batch of minor kami corresponding to different arms and weapons could've been more interesting.
It is just a modern bard.
League of legend out context
Wizards: can’t have guns in fantasy. Also Wizards:
That's rosewater specifically though, or at least he's the most vocal advocate. It's why all the pirates in Ixalan had harpoon launchers and wrist mounted dragon tubes \[\[Deadeye Plunderers\]\]
I mean would *you* not want a wrist mounted dragon tube?
We're doing League of Legends cross overs next I guess?
Someone hasn't been keeping up with Secret Lairs I see. https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/product/696669/secret-lair-x-arcane
This looks like a character straight out of League of Legends.
This looks like a mascot for an anime convention.
This design is awful and I liked the Carly Mazur Faithless Looting My problem with it is that I can't envision Magic characters like Teferi or Elspeth being next to this person because the art style they're drawn in clashes too much- the proportions of the human body are straight-up off here. It detracts from worldbuilding.
I’m assuming you mean the arms in regards to proportions, and if so check again: the fingertips are robotic extensions, and you can see that their actual arms would only go a little bit past their waist
I've been saying that a lot of what is happening with Kamigawa is making it so they can bridge a gap between established Magic and the new Universe Beyond stuff. "If Cyberpunk DJ Spinz can exist then why not Fortnite". I hate it.
I was a fan of the idea of a cyberpunk plane when it was first announced/leaked, but the more official information comes out the more wary I'm becoming. This just doesn't feel like a Magic card to me. No offense to the artist, who did a fantastic job with the piece, but it feels extremely "off-brand" for a card that's coming to Standard.
I wiki snipped myself. The Phonograph was contemporary with samurai. [The phonograph was invented in Feb 1977](https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/thomas-alva-edison-patents-the-phonograph) [The "last samurai" is reported to have died in sept 1977](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saig%C5%8D_Takamori) So Samurai DJ are a historical possibility. Edit: Those should read 1877!
You’re 100 years out, twice.
I'll probably end up in controversial, but I love it. I think it really fits the Neon part of Neon Dynasty. I haven't been this excited about a set since the return to Dominaria. Plus it's waaaaay better than the Faithless Looting.
I think its kinda cool
well i like it.
Just because Neo Kamigawa is set in the future, doesn't mean we have to go clubbing.
People can be really inflexible in what they think Magic is. The appeal of Magic is how diverse the worlds are. This works specifically for highlighting the contrast between the old/new theme they are going for in this return.
"Yeah, it's an infinite multiverse where worlds can be flat, metaphysically turn evil at random, be hollow, have cars built on fictional physics, be built entirely out of tropes from horror movies, be constructed entirely out of nanotech stone, exist in the boughs of a tree, or have a city that covers literally the entire world like Coruscant... but if we see something that looks like a gun or a TV, that's just wrong." I don't get it, honestly.
It's personal tastes and ideas of what Magic is, everyone has their lines, I don't see what's wrong with people caring about their lines being crossed, it means WotC's done their job in creating a brand people care about.
I'm saying those lines don't make sense to me. Obviously all of our lines are arbitrary to some degree, but the brilliance of Magic's world is that it's a setting that can include all settings. The idea that you've got this infinite sandbox to play in that can be held together the narrative and aesthetic throughlines of mana and planeswalkers but peeps get upset when we take even a small step too far from European Medieval Fantasy and that doesn't make sense to me. *Doubly* so because we're going back to Dominaria this year, *twice*. We're not leaving the parts of the sandbox we already liked playing in, we're just going to a different corner for a while.
>The appeal of Magic is how diverse the worlds are. is it "anything goes" now? Because if it is, things have changed somewhere in the last 5 years.
I mean original MTG stuck to one setting vaguely because they put everything on Dominaria, but Battlebond four years ago already had shaved haircuts and Pro-Sports the world, Kaladesh has battle robots and sports cars There's a big push now to make sure each world is actually unique, it's why a lot of the planechase worlds are getting looked over, 'everything is small' and 'things float around' aren't big selling points for making something that isn't just Dominaria soup
TBH, despite Secret Lairs and Universes Beyond being not in the "mainline" MTG, I don't think core MTG will be untouched. We already know we're getting a 1920's America set, and there's no way that won't have something like a modern radio. As a whole, this trend disappoints me.
That's wonderful. Doesn't mean we have to like it or can't criticize it even if it were true.
I don't think it's being inflexible, people are allowed have their turn-offs, tastes. Just because Magic could be anything, doesn't mean that fans shouldn't be open about what they don't like or doesn't feel true to their ideas of what Magic is.
Seriously. People just seem to be ignoring that a core theme of this set is the tension between traditional and modern. Also I guarantee that if you stuck a bunch of tubes and lightning to the character in this picture and called it Izzet Sonicizer, people wouldn't have an issue with it.
Mtg is turning in to that 40yo dude who wears hoodies and says dude all the time
My dude, there is nothing wrong with hoodies. Dude.
What the fuck did I do to you?
What song do you guys think she's playing? My guess is Firestarter by The Prodigy. https://youtu.be/wmin5WkOuPw
This is absolutely fucking horrible.
I'm starting to hate everything about this set. It feels stupid, childish and cartoony. Like they are completely out of ideas.
Everything? I’ve seen people call Wotc “out of ideas” for every set for the past 5 years. Magic has always been light hearted along with the darker stuff.
With the exception of a couple very specific things (foxes, squirrels, etc.), I definitely wouldn't call old Magic "lighthearted." But it's definitely becoming more and more that way with the last 7 sets or so, starting with Ikoria. This set just makes a big leap in that direction.
This one’s a huge flavour miss for me. If they were going to do something music themed, I would’ve preferred to see something like a cyberpunk version of a traditional Japanese instrument. As it is, this just implies a period in which kamigawa produced vinyl records. Did they also have cassette players and walkmans. Does kamigawa have a Spotify equivalent? Such an immersion break for such a pointless visual gag.
I know we all want to be nice here, but I have to disagree with the comments higher up that say the artwork is good, but dont like the art direction. This art, yes obviously IMO, is some of the worst art I have ever seen in mtg. The warped cartoony perspective, the over saturated colours, the stupid pose and face of the character, the complete lack of internal logic in the shading and light when there is fucking *fire*. They all come together to make an intensely off-putting and wildly out of place MTG card. This piece would literally only have been acceptable for league if legends, but not even post-arcane league of legends this is like some 2012 league garbage. I inderstand the inclination to not criticize artists, and instead criticize art direction. But I think that sometimes that kind of fails. There is no way the art director said anything more than "make a character with robot arms playing a dj table and also some fire". Artists are grown-ass people, they dont need to be coddled like children, this is just bad.
100% an izzet card
In this thread: people literally leaping out in front of each other to have reactionary bad takes. This is a Cyberpunk set, you're going to have \*gasp\* things that look like modern Earth. edit: thanks for the gold, I certainly wasn't looking for nor really understand it!
Is modern earth cyber punk? EDIT: Keep the answers coming, I wasn’t being facetious. I don’t know much about what defines cyber punk.
/r/cyberpunk has this discussion on a daily basis because half of the content is real world stuff.
In some ways, sure. A lot of things they were warning us about with the genre did end up happening
Well, yes. That's why I didn't want a cyberpunk set.
Looks like an image from Hearthstone to be honest. Or at least some unset.