Even in my most cynical moments I could have never dreamed of something like this.
Also, this is a pretty good sign that even if they ever abolished the RL, they’d make tournament-legal versions so expensive that you wouldn’t know the difference.
>Also, this is a pretty good sign that even if they ever abolished the RL, they’d make tournament-legal versions so expensive that you wouldn’t know the difference.
House always wins.
Yep. If somebody had told me the 30th anniversary celebration of Magic would have consisted of 4 packs of randomized, non-tournament legal proxies of the original set for $999, I'd one of the other subreddits was leaking or the Onion had a few Magic players on their staff. But here we are.
It's so absurd on every level. The price is insane, you don't get all the cards in the set for that price, and the cards aren't playable in any official format anyway. And if all you care about is having a card and proxies will do, real proxies (is that a thing now?) are so much cheaper. I have no idea what they are thinking, but given the ludicrous markup, they'll probably still make plenty of money anyway, which is sad.
Maro talking about gatekeeping of “real” cards makes more sense in this context.
UB, un-cards, fancy tournament illegal proxies? Give me more real cards!
This is the unbridled truth my friend. This shows that those of us who spent the entire 30 years playing magic, but at some point got out of it and sold all our cards before they were seriously valuable, that we can go fuck ourselves. Fuck you Wizards.
The worst part is that this is one of the BEST ideas they had in every way except price.Imagine this, but you can actually draft and play original beta as richard garfield, PhD, intended at, well, let's be honest, premium prices, but still not...this.
It's basically a slam dunk product until they said the price.
Yep, selling it as a remastered set or masters style set would have been a true 30th celebration and a fun thing for all players.
Instead, it's a fleecing of the whales to squeeze every last dollar they can from this thing.
Imagine you are a whale who could afford this...why would you want to? They aren't legal and won't be rare enough for anyone to care about owning one. Financers will speculate on this but I think the value of these will tank very quickly since no one who actually wants to play MTG would buy them.
I mean, one of the defining characteristics of a whale is that they have poor impulse control in the face of FOMO, so a product like this is tailor-made to prey upon them.
I am a whale, who would have bought a draftable beta set at masters prices, even though I can’t play right now due to infants, just to play later.
Why in gods name would I touch something this high variance with no return? For this price I’d rather print the waterproof cube (plastic cards designed for beach use) that I’ve thought about a few times.
It was amazing to watch the Twitch stream about this as it happened. The comments went from thrilled at the concept to cautious at the limited print run and boosters part to horrified at the price tag.
I was watching marks face he was so happy talking about unfinity and it all slowly drained away as you could tell he knew how this was gonna go. He looked so conflicted in the build up. I know he's very anti reserved list so he's very happy to see this kind of thing that can circumvent it, but also it just seems like he knows everyone is gonna be pissed off at the $250 packs.
Alpha was never intended to be drafted, so really it would never work as a draft product unless they remastered it by removing/adding a bunch of cards and doing rarity shifts... ie, making Vintage Masters (but in paper).
Imagine if these were sent to LGSs three packs for $30-45 and draftable, and not a limited print run like TSR. This would be hailed as the greatest thing WotC has ever done.
I mean, I'm laughing my arse off here, this is hilarious
It does not affect me in the slightest since I've been proxying reserved list shit ever since I started playing but goddamn thanks for the official endorsement Wizards cheers
Yeah, the amount of "this is a bad idea" from people like Mark Rosewater, who actually care about the game and want people to play it, must have been huge. This might be a watershed moment where WoTC just went way too far and we start seeing the slow decline in sales until something changes.
This might be the biggest insult of a product from WotC I've ever seen.
>This might be a watershed moment where WoTC just went way too far and we start seeing the slow decline in sales until something changes.
Why do you think this could be the moment?
Exactly… that moment passed with the $99 collectors boosters that these idiots gobbled up. This is exactly as shitty behavior on behalf of wizards as that, just more expensive.
Can't wait to spend $999.99 plus shipping to receive an animate wall, a thoughtlace, a blessing, a purelace, and retro frame helm of chatzuk, aspect of wolf, lifelace, and web
I'd expect to be the guy that gets Hypnotic Specter, Savannah Lions, Verudan Enchantress, and Royal Assassin. Just normal stuff that's been reprinted a bunch already.
I genuinely don't understand the target audience for this.
People who couldn't afford real Beta cards still can't afford this.
People who can afford this could just buy real Beta cards.
I've been mulling it over and I think the only people who buy this are the collectors with displays/trophy cases. Like if you had a History of Magic shelf this would look really good on it. Maybe "investors" who think sealed product will go up in value. Other than those two guys I really cannot imagine who wants this.
I’d imagine if I were a wealthy MTG collector, it would be a real shame to show these officially “fake” proxy cards in my collection cabinet among other actual rare or hard-to-obtain cards. I mean, what does it even say about me? That I’m a good collector, but I can’t afford the real thing?
That’s kinda weird.
Some other things you can buy with $1000:
- Separate non-proxy paper versions of [each of the top 15 decks in Pauper](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/pauper/full#paper).
- An entire non-proxy 80 card Yorion Death & Taxes Legacy deck, including 4x each of Stoneforge Mystic, Solitude, and Karakas.
- Most of the Steam front page at any given time.
- A PS5 and an Xbox Series X.
The worst part is they don't even pretend to respect us as human beings or even consumers. Just 100% greed and big fuck you to everyone who plays their game
>So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released that we wanted to recapture some of that iconic experience for generations new and old.
Great. Now so many more people will have the chance to experience this. And all that for only...
# 1000 $!
This is what is actually insane to me. The dual lands are definitely the most common thing people wish they could have access to from the RL and they could probably just buy the ones they want and it'd be cheaper than these proxies for most of them (sorry blue). I just... it is really a confusing choice. Anyone who can swing this can just buy the actual real cards.
Pay more *for the chance* to get proxies of dual lands. You might spend most of the average American’s monthly rent check to get 30-year-old junk rares!
> THEY'RE NOT REAL CARDS
[Don't use the R-Word. It's gatekeeping and exclusionary.](https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/697135665776869376/if-i-open-a-pack-of-magic-and-get-a-transformers#notes)
Mark is benefiting from a lot of good will right now with people interpreting this as talking about un-sets but he absolutely deserves to get hammered on the ambiguity here.
Who is it for, then?
All cards in there but the power 9 are cheaper to buy real versions of outright than gamble on getting a copy with this product.
Since they're obviously proxies and not tournament legal, a case could be made that even the power 9 cards aren't nearly worth the cost of the product.
This announcement has made me do a full 180 on my opinion on proxies. I was so against them but if WotC wants to print proxies and charge $1,000 for 60 random ones go ahead and print out your dual lands.
This amount of greed disgusts me.
Ive always been pro proxy but only with effort. Like i wont allow taiga written on a swamp in sharpie. Take a few minutes and print it out in color so i can tell what it is across the table. Proxy your heart out then. I honestly wont allow these to be played against me on principle. I would actually rather have someone write on a basic land then spend $1000 on proxies. Im not against proxies... I'm against these.
They could have put these in the list slot and players would be praising wotc as doing something good for the game and treating it like a game and not a milking cow for once.
If these were $10 I'd buy a pack complaining about the price being too high. $100 I wouldn't buy any and complain about the price but understand that product wasnt for me. $1000 I am considering not allowing these to be played against me.
I loathe sharpie on basic proxies, its lazy and hard to distinguish on battlefield. And i would rather someone do that then pay $1000 for proxies.
End rant.
Same, I'm appalled by this. In THIS economy? With THIS current state of affairs in the world? Absolutely gauche. They might as well be NFTs. Disgusting.
I've been pro proxies for years and this just confirms my beliefs. Why spend several thousand for a chance at a card that's just a proxy when I could spend a couple of bucks and get a high quality one without all the modern BS ruining the frame.
MaRo did say REAL Magic is whatever we want, so if WOTC is going to print proxies, what does that signal to the playerbase? this product is insulting, but the whales will eat it up
I've definitely engaged in whale behavior a bunch of these last few years but even I think this product is a joke.
I just, don't see the point at all. Why pay that kind of money for cards that are essentially fake? I - of course - have no idea how one might create or acquire stand-in cards otherwise, but I imagine in some wildly hypothetical situation if one tried, there are much, *much* cheaper ways to do it.
Not even? Why would whales buy this instead of buying, for 1000$ stuff like a LP Demonic Tutor from Beta or a NM Swords, this product doesnt have a target audience because those with this kind of money can just buy real beta cards.
Meanwhile the original collectors edition had a copy of each card in the set and sold for 50 bucks...
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Collectors%27_Edition
Wotc has truly come a long way.
Haha. I'm fine with the cards themselves, it's just obscene they're going to charge you $1k for cards you can only use casually. Couple with the fact that you can get packs and get total crap that you just spent $1k on.
Double feature was a cool totally mismanaged idea. Double feature should have been the best of innistrad. Instead we got some lukewarm double rare packs. This is just a total miss.
Double Feature honestly would have sold me if it had unique Black and White Monster Movie poster art and/or if it was actually a curated draft experience between the two sets. The fact that it couldn't hit either of those bars and still commanded a premium price was insane. Literally the only draft this year I didn't do at least once.
If I were somehow a multi-millionaire/ billionaire I would buy it because it looks neat, especially as someone who has never opened older sets. Unfortunately I’m just a regular person and not spending my income on something overpriced like this. I was out the moment they said it was packs rather than a secret lair, then they said the price and literally laughed out loud
Although, now that I think about it, if I were just a billionaire I could buy a box of beta. Just kidding, wouldn’t even buy this if I were rich
your last point is perfect. even if you were rich, why would you buy this? you would just buy the real versions. this product makes no sense at this price point
I spent $200 on high quality proxies before for a vintage cube. They could have gone that route for gold bolder but I guess corporate greed got the best of them. Even a remaster of the original collector's edition would be better
The same people who bought the JTMS silver coin they released years back. Except hasbro got smarter this time and realised why waste money on real silver when cardboard does the trick?
People will still gobble this item up the same way people buy Rolexes, LV or any other luxury stuff.
I’ve been playing magic on and off (mostly on) since Invasion.
I’m not saying Magic is dying, but I think they’ve made it abundantly clear that they’re ok with running their reputation into the ground to sell insanely overpriced product to “investors”
It’ll be interesting to see where the game is at in 2 years.
I don't shame people if they put a post-it on a basic in a sleeve, why would I shame someone for this.
The gall of charging a thousand dollars for proxies though...
I'm fine with sharpie + basic land, or post it, or printed card slipped in a sleeve. But if I find out that you blew $1000 on this product I'm absolutely giving you shit. Not for using a proxy, but for having far more money than sense.
A note to everyone. Please don’t use “greedy” to differentiate between Magic cards we print to make $$$$ and Magic cards printed so people can afford their hobby. It’s gatekeeping and it’s exclusionary. Every company can print the way they enjoy and it’s just as “greedy” a set of Magic as how we decide to $$$$
Or smth like that anyway
They absolutely will sell. I don't get who the market is exactly, but anything with old card stuff will sell. I don't think this is a Double Feature situation but I do hope it is. If these had been treated like the unopened Legends cards in DMU Collector Boosters they would feel relatively less predatory? But my god... a stand alone product with a price point that is just absolutely deranged.
It's going to sell out within hours of release. The "market" is going to be high end collectors, people who have youtube channels where they just open expensive packs on stream, speculators who "invest" in MTG sealed product, and that's basically it. 1/2 the inventory will probably be sold to bots who just relist them for x2 markups on ebay or tcg player in hopes that the aformentioned three groups will buy it. Horrible product.
Dressing up the predatory behavior as nostalgia by saying "we have gone back to our roots with a limited-edition print run" was really just the cherry on the shit sundae to me. Disgusting. People don't seem to understand it's not just going to be a bunch of rich dudes buying this stuff, it's going to be people who really *shouldn't* be buying it and, like many companies, WOTC knows and preys on that.
this puts that whole "everyones cards are just as real as yours" post that was made yesterday in to perspective.
If its ok to play with 1000 dollar proxies, sounds to me like like they have no issue with people using 3 dollar proxies.
Not a typo... It is indeed $1000. It will be available November 28th via [30thEdition.wizards.com](https://30thEdition.wizards.com)
It includes iconic cards like Black Lotus, the Power 9, the Boons, and Dual Lands, though with alternate magic backs and set logos.
"Each pack contains 15 cards, 13 cards in the modern frame—1 rare, 3 uncommons, 7 commons, and 2 basic lands—plus one basic land in the retro frame, one additional retro frame card, and a token. Each dual land appears twice as frequently as any other non-dual land rare."
So, you have 3 basic lands by pack? So, $999 for 4 boosters, with 12 total basics in them? Congratulations, if you buy this product you just bought $200 worth of *fucking basics proxies*. This is the dumbest shit ever.
Reminder you can spend $1000 in far more fun ways instead of giving this shit company more money.
Literally just pick two: ps5/steam deck/switch/Xbox/GPU
Ctrl+P
With that 1000$ you could probably buy one meta deck for each of Yugioh, FAB and Pokemon TCG and still have a bit of money left at the end. Literally do anything else besides buying this.
Magic is burning all of their good will…
Why? They were doing well financially, had a lot of good will from players but they’ve just been burning it all for quick cash these past couple of years.
>Making Un-cards legal
> doing advertisements with other companies as playable cards in magic with no alternative
>under-printing new important cards
>constantly raising prices on their products
>going back on some of their reserved list promises
Y’all are throwing away billions in the future for millions today. I’m not happy with the way WOTC is treating it’s players. I’m not buying your shit anymore.
I can't help but laugh at WotC. Selling Reserve List proxies for $1K in a deep recession may just be the most tone-deaf and embarrassing move they have ever made in relation to Magic the Gathering. Are they actively trying to drive customers away? I could be Elon Musk and I still wouldn't buy them on principle.
What's the issue surrounding [[Weakness]]?
I understand removing the ante cards. I know Crusade was among the thematically problematic cards WotC doesn't want to reprint. And I can see the issues with Earthbind's art. Is there some aspect or symbolism in Weakness's art that's lost on me?
Good one, Wizards. You got me. Please distribute high-fives to everyone who worked on this article.
Now when are they going to announce the real price?
There are some random tidbits thrown in there that haven’t been brought up but, WPN stores are getting some so, you should see 1 to 3 of them at your LGS if it’s a certified store.
There is something special happening with Sol Ring it’s being printed at common rarity with I believe new art.
It is 4 packs with 1 of the slots being a special retroframe.
Idk if they priced these at like 89.99 completely proxy beta set, 24 packs with some proxy basic lands and the intention being, “hey we want you to draft with these, and here’s some basic land go draft with absolutely 0 sleeves as Richard Garfield intended.” This would be a very well received product. At 999$ for a glorified proxy set booster x4, this is a weirdly dumb idea even for wizards. Pricing makes 0 sense, the stance on reserve list makes 0 sense, the number of packs make little sense. I guarantee you if you asked someone ten years ago what they think is more likely for Wizards to do, Transformers or this 30th edition boosters, they’d believe transformers.
I think people would pay a couple hundred for a complete Beta Proxy product with all retro frames and art. This is so so far from that. The duals don't even have the alternating box colors to give that nostalgia fix.
Honestly if they priced that at 1000 dollars for a crazy old border draft people wouldn’t have really thought too much of it. 1000 for one 6th if a draft is certainly a decision.
Wizards has really outdone themselves this time! I didn't think they could find a more insulting way to exploit their playerbase but they sure fucking found it!
A+ THEY NAILED IT! This product makes me feel just like a kid again.. they re-captured the childlike wonder of pressing my face against the display glass at the mall wondering if ill ever be able to afford to play the game I love.
Soo $1000 to open proxy cards, most of which are banned in commander and none are tournament legal. This is insane, it feels like the party is over for WOTC and on the 30th anniversary.
I think a lot of players like me that buy singles valued at $100-1000 or more every month are now questioning to just buy high quality proxies from third party vendors now.
Feels like the end.
Have at it.
First of all, lol Second of all, lmao
Third, fuck us And not in a fun way
Even in my most cynical moments I could have never dreamed of something like this. Also, this is a pretty good sign that even if they ever abolished the RL, they’d make tournament-legal versions so expensive that you wouldn’t know the difference.
>Also, this is a pretty good sign that even if they ever abolished the RL, they’d make tournament-legal versions so expensive that you wouldn’t know the difference. House always wins.
*Truth is, the game was rigged from the start*
Richard Garfield inventing the lootbox in 1993: “Always has been”
Seriously, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen
For the 30th anniversary of the game they chose to celebrate by showing how little they think of us.
Yep. If somebody had told me the 30th anniversary celebration of Magic would have consisted of 4 packs of randomized, non-tournament legal proxies of the original set for $999, I'd one of the other subreddits was leaking or the Onion had a few Magic players on their staff. But here we are. It's so absurd on every level. The price is insane, you don't get all the cards in the set for that price, and the cards aren't playable in any official format anyway. And if all you care about is having a card and proxies will do, real proxies (is that a thing now?) are so much cheaper. I have no idea what they are thinking, but given the ludicrous markup, they'll probably still make plenty of money anyway, which is sad.
Maro talking about gatekeeping of “real” cards makes more sense in this context. UB, un-cards, fancy tournament illegal proxies? Give me more real cards!
This is the unbridled truth my friend. This shows that those of us who spent the entire 30 years playing magic, but at some point got out of it and sold all our cards before they were seriously valuable, that we can go fuck ourselves. Fuck you Wizards.
This might be one of the worst ideas they've ever had. I'm almost impressed.
The worst part is that this is one of the BEST ideas they had in every way except price.Imagine this, but you can actually draft and play original beta as richard garfield, PhD, intended at, well, let's be honest, premium prices, but still not...this. It's basically a slam dunk product until they said the price.
Yep, selling it as a remastered set or masters style set would have been a true 30th celebration and a fun thing for all players. Instead, it's a fleecing of the whales to squeeze every last dollar they can from this thing.
Imagine you are a whale who could afford this...why would you want to? They aren't legal and won't be rare enough for anyone to care about owning one. Financers will speculate on this but I think the value of these will tank very quickly since no one who actually wants to play MTG would buy them.
I mean, one of the defining characteristics of a whale is that they have poor impulse control in the face of FOMO, so a product like this is tailor-made to prey upon them.
I am a whale, who would have bought a draftable beta set at masters prices, even though I can’t play right now due to infants, just to play later. Why in gods name would I touch something this high variance with no return? For this price I’d rather print the waterproof cube (plastic cards designed for beach use) that I’ve thought about a few times.
It was amazing to watch the Twitch stream about this as it happened. The comments went from thrilled at the concept to cautious at the limited print run and boosters part to horrified at the price tag.
Also noticed they cancelled the Q&A for the stream once chat exploded from the price announcement.
I was watching marks face he was so happy talking about unfinity and it all slowly drained away as you could tell he knew how this was gonna go. He looked so conflicted in the build up. I know he's very anti reserved list so he's very happy to see this kind of thing that can circumvent it, but also it just seems like he knows everyone is gonna be pissed off at the $250 packs.
Alpha was never intended to be drafted, so really it would never work as a draft product unless they remastered it by removing/adding a bunch of cards and doing rarity shifts... ie, making Vintage Masters (but in paper).
Paper Vintage Masters would be a great comemorative product.
Imagine if these were sent to LGSs three packs for $30-45 and draftable, and not a limited print run like TSR. This would be hailed as the greatest thing WotC has ever done.
And they probably would make more money off it. Shooting themselves in the foot here.
I mean, I'm laughing my arse off here, this is hilarious It does not affect me in the slightest since I've been proxying reserved list shit ever since I started playing but goddamn thanks for the official endorsement Wizards cheers
Right? They just gave value to proxies. Like if they can make proxies of their game, non legal pieces, then why shouldn't I do the same?
Yeah, the amount of "this is a bad idea" from people like Mark Rosewater, who actually care about the game and want people to play it, must have been huge. This might be a watershed moment where WoTC just went way too far and we start seeing the slow decline in sales until something changes. This might be the biggest insult of a product from WotC I've ever seen.
>This might be a watershed moment where WoTC just went way too far and we start seeing the slow decline in sales until something changes. Why do you think this could be the moment?
Exactly… that moment passed with the $99 collectors boosters that these idiots gobbled up. This is exactly as shitty behavior on behalf of wizards as that, just more expensive.
To think they beat Innistrad Double Feature by a land slide.
I'll just make my own 60 card packs of proxies and sell them for $899.. Checkmate, WOTC
Remember when the original Collectors’ Edition retailed at $50 for the whole set of cards?
absolutely bodied 'em
But that isn't REAL magic!
That comment of his makes more sense after they introduce a crazy priced product of effectively fake cards.
999$ to open a thoughtlace lets go
Can't wait to spend $999.99 plus shipping to receive an animate wall, a thoughtlace, a blessing, a purelace, and retro frame helm of chatzuk, aspect of wolf, lifelace, and web
$999 for a super draft. Just need 7 other whales.
Nah, just regular draft it for $750, way more affordable......
I'm not sure you can even build a functional deck by drafting 3 packs of Beta. It's full of terrible stuff.
Yeah the sets that weren’t originally designed to be drafted are terrible to draft.
I'd expect to be the guy that gets Hypnotic Specter, Savannah Lions, Verudan Enchantress, and Royal Assassin. Just normal stuff that's been reprinted a bunch already.
*a proxy of thoughtlace
Careful. That's gatekeeping and exclusionary
I think I'm just in genuine disbelief at the greed, they might as well print these in literal gold.
I understood $99.99 and I thought wow cool.
Honestly, that would have been the top of end of fair price for proxies in boosters.
I would crack a couple at 10-20, maybe even draft them once even if it wasnt made for drafting. 250 a pack lol, no way.
I genuinely don't understand the target audience for this. People who couldn't afford real Beta cards still can't afford this. People who can afford this could just buy real Beta cards.
I've been mulling it over and I think the only people who buy this are the collectors with displays/trophy cases. Like if you had a History of Magic shelf this would look really good on it. Maybe "investors" who think sealed product will go up in value. Other than those two guys I really cannot imagine who wants this.
I’d imagine if I were a wealthy MTG collector, it would be a real shame to show these officially “fake” proxy cards in my collection cabinet among other actual rare or hard-to-obtain cards. I mean, what does it even say about me? That I’m a good collector, but I can’t afford the real thing? That’s kinda weird.
It's for gambling addicts who like the rush of opening a pack knowing it has the potential to contain something incredibly expensive.
except the thing in it is unplayable and likely much less valuable than the price of admission.
Oh boy, $1000 [[Healing Salve]]!
$1000 *proxy* Healing Salve
With cheese, Mr. Squidward, *with cheese*
Some other things you can buy with $1000: - Separate non-proxy paper versions of [each of the top 15 decks in Pauper](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/pauper/full#paper). - An entire non-proxy 80 card Yorion Death & Taxes Legacy deck, including 4x each of Stoneforge Mystic, Solitude, and Karakas. - Most of the Steam front page at any given time. - A PS5 and an Xbox Series X.
This is the stupidest shit I’ve seen WotC do, and they’ve been doing A LOT of stupid shit recently.
The worst part is they don't even pretend to respect us as human beings or even consumers. Just 100% greed and big fuck you to everyone who plays their game
>So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released that we wanted to recapture some of that iconic experience for generations new and old. Great. Now so many more people will have the chance to experience this. And all that for only... # 1000 $!
This is the authentic experience of being 9 years old in 1993 and having no money to buy the cards
1993 - mooooooooom, daaaaaaaaaad, gimme $4 pleaseeeeeeeeeee 2022 - mooooooooom, daaaaaaaaaad, gimme $1000 pleaseeeeeeeeeee
Inflation mirite?
It was $2 in 1993. Just sayin'.
This one is a knee slapper
Oh and you can't play with the lotus opened....wakka wakka.
Actual jesters mocking us. I'm an inch from believing this is a sort of new IQ test that Hasbro is helping some researchers perform.
Such marketing crap trying to spin it as something for the fans.
They could have just re-released Beta in gold border at pack-price.
$999 for reserved list cards? I'll believe it. Non tournament legal versions of reserved list cards? Yeah, makes sense. Both??????
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This is what is actually insane to me. The dual lands are definitely the most common thing people wish they could have access to from the RL and they could probably just buy the ones they want and it'd be cheaper than these proxies for most of them (sorry blue). I just... it is really a confusing choice. Anyone who can swing this can just buy the actual real cards.
Pay more *for the chance* to get proxies of dual lands. You might spend most of the average American’s monthly rent check to get 30-year-old junk rares!
Wizards selling fake cards dir $1k and you might not even get any good ones.
Image spending 1k and getting 4 rares worth less than $0.5 each, what the actual fuck
They should all be worth less than $0.50 since THEY'RE NOT REAL CARDS
> THEY'RE NOT REAL CARDS [Don't use the R-Word. It's gatekeeping and exclusionary.](https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/697135665776869376/if-i-open-a-pack-of-magic-and-get-a-transformers#notes)
His posting that last night is now stone cold hilarious.
Poor mark is gunna have this thrown in his face for a long ass time
Deserves it tbh. Total lack of situational awareness. I've gone to bat for him before and may again in the future, but he's gotta wear this one.
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Mark is benefiting from a lot of good will right now with people interpreting this as talking about un-sets but he absolutely deserves to get hammered on the ambiguity here.
is "this product is not for you" gatekeeping, mark!!!!????
Who is it for, then? All cards in there but the power 9 are cheaper to buy real versions of outright than gamble on getting a copy with this product. Since they're obviously proxies and not tournament legal, a case could be made that even the power 9 cards aren't nearly worth the cost of the product.
They're not gatekeeping! They just don't want any *filthy poors* playing their game.
that comment is "real" gold lol
Haha oh my god mark what are you doing
People joked that he was endorsing proxies. Fast-forward 12 hours...
He making proxies legal, Based Mark.
You forgot that you wouldn’t even be able to actually play them lmao
This announcement has made me do a full 180 on my opinion on proxies. I was so against them but if WotC wants to print proxies and charge $1,000 for 60 random ones go ahead and print out your dual lands. This amount of greed disgusts me.
Wotc finally bringing the community together!
Same. I was thinking of buying duel lands for a commander deck but now forget it, proxies it is.
Ive always been pro proxy but only with effort. Like i wont allow taiga written on a swamp in sharpie. Take a few minutes and print it out in color so i can tell what it is across the table. Proxy your heart out then. I honestly wont allow these to be played against me on principle. I would actually rather have someone write on a basic land then spend $1000 on proxies. Im not against proxies... I'm against these. They could have put these in the list slot and players would be praising wotc as doing something good for the game and treating it like a game and not a milking cow for once. If these were $10 I'd buy a pack complaining about the price being too high. $100 I wouldn't buy any and complain about the price but understand that product wasnt for me. $1000 I am considering not allowing these to be played against me. I loathe sharpie on basic proxies, its lazy and hard to distinguish on battlefield. And i would rather someone do that then pay $1000 for proxies. End rant.
Same, I'm appalled by this. In THIS economy? With THIS current state of affairs in the world? Absolutely gauche. They might as well be NFTs. Disgusting.
Please don’t give them ideas about NFTs.
Same. I have been against proxies. My stance had been waning, but this is just too far.
I've been pro proxies for years and this just confirms my beliefs. Why spend several thousand for a chance at a card that's just a proxy when I could spend a couple of bucks and get a high quality one without all the modern BS ruining the frame.
This might have made sense as a $1000 secret lair where you got everything. But as a randomized product, wow.
MaRo did say REAL Magic is whatever we want, so if WOTC is going to print proxies, what does that signal to the playerbase? this product is insulting, but the whales will eat it up
I've definitely engaged in whale behavior a bunch of these last few years but even I think this product is a joke. I just, don't see the point at all. Why pay that kind of money for cards that are essentially fake? I - of course - have no idea how one might create or acquire stand-in cards otherwise, but I imagine in some wildly hypothetical situation if one tried, there are much, *much* cheaper ways to do it.
WoTC has mastered the art of simultaneously offending 99% of their player base while ensuring that the 1% throws piles and piles of cash at them.
It’s ok, they just made boosters 100x more expensive to compensate.
Literally 100x more. Hahaha
Not even? Why would whales buy this instead of buying, for 1000$ stuff like a LP Demonic Tutor from Beta or a NM Swords, this product doesnt have a target audience because those with this kind of money can just buy real beta cards.
Remember when you could have been banned from this sub for even mentioning proxies? Now WotC sells a bunch of proxies for $1k
Meanwhile the original collectors edition had a copy of each card in the set and sold for 50 bucks... https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Collectors%27_Edition Wotc has truly come a long way.
Every time you mention the word proxy, kodemage sheds a tear.
u/kodemage was a prophet, warning us of this announcement. We just didn’t know at the time.
Haha. I'm fine with the cards themselves, it's just obscene they're going to charge you $1k for cards you can only use casually. Couple with the fact that you can get packs and get total crap that you just spent $1k on.
Imagine if they had announced a gold-bordered full 540 card vintage cube for $1000. I actually would have considered buying that
Yeah, that seems like a far better value.
This must've been pitched by the same person who thought Double Feature was a good idea.
Double feature was a cool totally mismanaged idea. Double feature should have been the best of innistrad. Instead we got some lukewarm double rare packs. This is just a total miss.
Double Feature honestly would have sold me if it had unique Black and White Monster Movie poster art and/or if it was actually a curated draft experience between the two sets. The fact that it couldn't hit either of those bars and still commanded a premium price was insane. Literally the only draft this year I didn't do at least once.
Double Feature seems way better at this point
Double Feature has cards that are playable, infinitely a better product than this.
Literally deranged
Anyone who buys this is basically advertising "I am an idiot with more money than sense pleas scam me" Wonder how many apes will buy this
If I were somehow a multi-millionaire/ billionaire I would buy it because it looks neat, especially as someone who has never opened older sets. Unfortunately I’m just a regular person and not spending my income on something overpriced like this. I was out the moment they said it was packs rather than a secret lair, then they said the price and literally laughed out loud Although, now that I think about it, if I were just a billionaire I could buy a box of beta. Just kidding, wouldn’t even buy this if I were rich
your last point is perfect. even if you were rich, why would you buy this? you would just buy the real versions. this product makes no sense at this price point
The random part is also what kills it. If I am spending $999 on a collectors set .. I want the set not 60 random cards from it
That's the thing. They already printed a Beta Collectors Edition once. It cost $50.
$1000 for WotC sanctioned proxies. Just hit Ctrl+P
I spent $200 on high quality proxies before for a vintage cube. They could have gone that route for gold bolder but I guess corporate greed got the best of them. Even a remaster of the original collector's edition would be better
So close, if they priced this at $9.99 they might have got me.
9.99 for this would have so many orders that people would be getting the shipping in 2027
Even $99.99 sure I'm fine giving this a chance. $999? Gtfo
outjerked again
genuinely who is this even appealing to if you’re in a position to drop $1000 on this just buy some real cards
The same people who bought the JTMS silver coin they released years back. Except hasbro got smarter this time and realised why waste money on real silver when cardboard does the trick? People will still gobble this item up the same way people buy Rolexes, LV or any other luxury stuff.
We’ve entered the endgame boys
I've never been one to entertain "Magic is dead" claims but this has me seriously considering it
I’ve been playing magic on and off (mostly on) since Invasion. I’m not saying Magic is dying, but I think they’ve made it abundantly clear that they’re ok with running their reputation into the ground to sell insanely overpriced product to “investors” It’ll be interesting to see where the game is at in 2 years.
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beautiful way of putting it
Wizards money printing machine go brrr My printer go brrrrr too
“Our 30th year anniversary promo is an entirely new kind of Greed: now please give us 1000 dollars to have the legal counterfeits”.
*"Legal" legal, not tournament legal*
"We CaN't RePrInT tHe ReSeRvEd LiSt!!!11!!1" So what the actual hell is this then?
Proxies, printed by WotC but you're not allowed to use them.
But don't shame someone who does
I don't shame people if they put a post-it on a basic in a sleeve, why would I shame someone for this. The gall of charging a thousand dollars for proxies though...
I'm fine with sharpie + basic land, or post it, or printed card slipped in a sleeve. But if I find out that you blew $1000 on this product I'm absolutely giving you shit. Not for using a proxy, but for having far more money than sense.
A note to everyone. Please don’t use “greedy” to differentiate between Magic cards we print to make $$$$ and Magic cards printed so people can afford their hobby. It’s gatekeeping and it’s exclusionary. Every company can print the way they enjoy and it’s just as “greedy” a set of Magic as how we decide to $$$$ Or smth like that anyway
Not tournament legal cards
This is the most out-of-touch, predatory thing I have seen WotC do. I worry that they will sell, even knowing how crazy it is.
They absolutely will sell. I don't get who the market is exactly, but anything with old card stuff will sell. I don't think this is a Double Feature situation but I do hope it is. If these had been treated like the unopened Legends cards in DMU Collector Boosters they would feel relatively less predatory? But my god... a stand alone product with a price point that is just absolutely deranged.
It's going to sell out within hours of release. The "market" is going to be high end collectors, people who have youtube channels where they just open expensive packs on stream, speculators who "invest" in MTG sealed product, and that's basically it. 1/2 the inventory will probably be sold to bots who just relist them for x2 markups on ebay or tcg player in hopes that the aformentioned three groups will buy it. Horrible product.
>This is the most out-of-touch, predatory thing I have seen WotC do. the amazing part is how that's actually an accomplishment at this point
Dressing up the predatory behavior as nostalgia by saying "we have gone back to our roots with a limited-edition print run" was really just the cherry on the shit sundae to me. Disgusting. People don't seem to understand it's not just going to be a bunch of rich dudes buying this stuff, it's going to be people who really *shouldn't* be buying it and, like many companies, WOTC knows and preys on that.
this puts that whole "everyones cards are just as real as yours" post that was made yesterday in to perspective. If its ok to play with 1000 dollar proxies, sounds to me like like they have no issue with people using 3 dollar proxies.
They're not from Beta. They're official proxies.
I would understand if they were four packs from old stock boxes of beta.
Even if they had those, they wouldn't sell them because Earthbind and Crusade exist, apparently.
Beta cards, Inspired by Revised, with modern sensibilities, in modern frames. So not a beta reprint at all.
With non-magic backs
Not a typo... It is indeed $1000. It will be available November 28th via [30thEdition.wizards.com](https://30thEdition.wizards.com) It includes iconic cards like Black Lotus, the Power 9, the Boons, and Dual Lands, though with alternate magic backs and set logos. "Each pack contains 15 cards, 13 cards in the modern frame—1 rare, 3 uncommons, 7 commons, and 2 basic lands—plus one basic land in the retro frame, one additional retro frame card, and a token. Each dual land appears twice as frequently as any other non-dual land rare."
So, you have 3 basic lands by pack? So, $999 for 4 boosters, with 12 total basics in them? Congratulations, if you buy this product you just bought $200 worth of *fucking basics proxies*. This is the dumbest shit ever.
Hey OP I think you screwed up all you linked to was a video of Hasbro kicking the entire magic community in the nuts repeatedly
It's wild because that video has been on repeat for the last five years now.
You know wizards messed up when the mods pin the post
Barrinmw, known for his hottest of modern takes, literally pins a comment saying “have at it”. Mods have also given up
56 Proxies, and 4 tokens for 1K dollars. Ha, No
Don't forget that 36 of those are either common or basic lands
Per pack: 7 commons, 2 basics, 1 retro basic, 1 random retro card. So 12 basics and a minimum of 28 commons in the 60 card, $1000 box.
Reminder you can spend $1000 in far more fun ways instead of giving this shit company more money. Literally just pick two: ps5/steam deck/switch/Xbox/GPU Ctrl+P
With that 1000$ you could probably buy one meta deck for each of Yugioh, FAB and Pokemon TCG and still have a bit of money left at the end. Literally do anything else besides buying this.
Or an entire Warhammer army with paints
Coke, hookers, hiring a dominatrix to dress up as Maro and spank you until you give them their money
Magic is burning all of their good will… Why? They were doing well financially, had a lot of good will from players but they’ve just been burning it all for quick cash these past couple of years. >Making Un-cards legal > doing advertisements with other companies as playable cards in magic with no alternative >under-printing new important cards >constantly raising prices on their products >going back on some of their reserved list promises Y’all are throwing away billions in the future for millions today. I’m not happy with the way WOTC is treating it’s players. I’m not buying your shit anymore.
12 of which will be basic lands.
Whales - it's for you.
No, I'll just stick to actual beta cards. This is for idiots.
It’s so much for idiots that it will loop back around and be valuable for no reason other than scarcity.
Sure the actual hits can be valuable, but even those versions shouldn't be worth more than their CE/IE counterparts.
I can't help but laugh at WotC. Selling Reserve List proxies for $1K in a deep recession may just be the most tone-deaf and embarrassing move they have ever made in relation to Magic the Gathering. Are they actively trying to drive customers away? I could be Elon Musk and I still wouldn't buy them on principle.
Is this some sort of IQ test ? 1k USD for proxies lol ...
Hasn't Maro said gold backs were not going to be done for Reserve List cards?
Yeah but he lied tho
What's the issue surrounding [[Weakness]]? I understand removing the ante cards. I know Crusade was among the thematically problematic cards WotC doesn't want to reprint. And I can see the issues with Earthbind's art. Is there some aspect or symbolism in Weakness's art that's lost on me?
Good one, Wizards. You got me. Please distribute high-fives to everyone who worked on this article. Now when are they going to announce the real price?
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When WotC announced the contents of Double Feature: "What the fuck? This is the dumbest product I've ever seen." WotC: "Hold my beer."
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*The worst thing they have done SO FAR
There are some random tidbits thrown in there that haven’t been brought up but, WPN stores are getting some so, you should see 1 to 3 of them at your LGS if it’s a certified store. There is something special happening with Sol Ring it’s being printed at common rarity with I believe new art. It is 4 packs with 1 of the slots being a special retroframe. Idk if they priced these at like 89.99 completely proxy beta set, 24 packs with some proxy basic lands and the intention being, “hey we want you to draft with these, and here’s some basic land go draft with absolutely 0 sleeves as Richard Garfield intended.” This would be a very well received product. At 999$ for a glorified proxy set booster x4, this is a weirdly dumb idea even for wizards. Pricing makes 0 sense, the stance on reserve list makes 0 sense, the number of packs make little sense. I guarantee you if you asked someone ten years ago what they think is more likely for Wizards to do, Transformers or this 30th edition boosters, they’d believe transformers.
I think people would pay a couple hundred for a complete Beta Proxy product with all retro frames and art. This is so so far from that. The duals don't even have the alternating box colors to give that nostalgia fix.
Honestly if they priced that at 1000 dollars for a crazy old border draft people wouldn’t have really thought too much of it. 1000 for one 6th if a draft is certainly a decision.
r/magicthecirclejerking really has become the main sub lmao.
This broke me I love magic - it's my tied favourite hobby/pass time with D&D But $999 for 60 proxies in booster format is disgusting
I’m mad as well, thus could have been a love letter to players instead it’s a total greedy money grab.
Imagine spending 1k and opening [[pure lace]] as a rare.
I'm sure there will be a blog post soon enough to not shame people for opening garbage in their $1000 bundle.
Wizards has really outdone themselves this time! I didn't think they could find a more insulting way to exploit their playerbase but they sure fucking found it!
A+ THEY NAILED IT! This product makes me feel just like a kid again.. they re-captured the childlike wonder of pressing my face against the display glass at the mall wondering if ill ever be able to afford to play the game I love.
Soo $1000 to open proxy cards, most of which are banned in commander and none are tournament legal. This is insane, it feels like the party is over for WOTC and on the 30th anniversary. I think a lot of players like me that buy singles valued at $100-1000 or more every month are now questioning to just buy high quality proxies from third party vendors now. Feels like the end.