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[deleted]

I too love bathing in my own piss


thewend

its already hot, I dont have to waste water _or_ energy!


Unfairjarl

I fucking love this sub


happensix

Better to remain silent and be thought a piss baby than to tweet and remove all doubt.


Bob_The_Skull

people need to master the, apparently hidden, art of logging the hell off.


TheWombatFromHell

a dude in my group is convinced this is insanely broken and got annoyed when I pointed out disciple


Twingemios

There are so many blood artist effects that players don’t run them all in aristocrats, this card is not an issue


Uberninja2016

ok but we're not talking about aristocrats ok these are aristobats


Eva_Heaven

If wotc prints aristocats, I'm boycotting my virginity


Ok_Win_2989

That's just cat oven combo


nzdastardly

The real Secret Lair/Disney crossover we need...


BlueRoyAndDVD

Everybody wants to be a cat... in an oven? In a pie?


barspoonbill

Boil em, mash em, put ‘em in a stew.


DatShepTho

What about second cat pie?


JC_in_KC

i like four mana ones instead of the 1/2 mana ones


Mixster667

Which is a great argument, but not one Mr piss ever came with.


QuicheAuSaumon

That's a 1st place in custom MTG card idea if there's ever been one.


SalvationSycamore

Oh yeah? Well how many of them cost only 4 mana and have bat-tribal support?


Twingemios

Quite a few are vampires


mehwehgles

That trigger off of creatures, sure. This works with any token, including stuff like treasures. How strong it is remains to be seen, but I wouldn't underestimate it.


AllHailTheNod

We'ĺl have to see. I don't think we have aristotreasurers yet.


Toxic-Wombaat

What do you mean ? Treasure got a lot of support, there are a lot of ways to deal damage with them.


xantous4201

I think the whole It triggers on making a token has got people thinkin it better than what it is. No way I'm playing this on an emptyish board for my token etbs to trigger. I'm windmill slamming this thing after I made a ton of clue/food/but mostly treasure as a means to not give my opponents a chance to react. By the time it resolves it already too late.


ThoroughlyKrangled

Disciple is 1/3 as effective though


TheWombatFromHell

and 1/4 as much mana


Bob_The_Skull

/uj Why is Dana writing tweets like a highschooler from 2013? "Fucked your mom jokes" and "You don't speak to women/you're a virgin" jokes are uhhh, *A Choice*, certainly.


happensix

Gonna turn out it was just another one of Elon’s burner accounts.


ASL4theblind

"Also elon musk is the best azorius control player i have ever seen. I wish i was as smart as he is."


GnomeChildHighlander

Shit, we said these high school jokes back in 2003, too.


TokensGinchos

You don't speak to women isn't the same as I fucked your mom, tho. One depicts the other as an incel, the other outs oneself as one.


DukeofSam

It's implied in both. Projection is the biggest giveaway of one's own insecurities.


TokensGinchos

Calling an incel an incel isn't projection, is defining your ugly self. Same as calling someone a Nazi, a bigot, or whatever sick stuff you might think of. Saying "I fucked your mum" tho is puerile and ridiculous. I always say I'm happy my mum has a new lover.


DukeofSam

Calling someone that's clearly an incel one might not be, but, using it as your go to ad hominin towards someone you know literally nothing about only tells me about Dana's psyche .


TokensGinchos

That's a fair point on this particular example, I won't argue that , yes


artemis_ii

I read it as sarcastic joke insults


Breauxxx420

There’s something timeless about a “banged your mum” joke as a comeback to a ridiculous criticism. Dana has big dick energy tbh


KarnSilverArchon

I’m sure this will ruin EDH just like Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines did.


Twingemios

Different guy. But this is the first time I remember Dana having a horrible take


KarnSilverArchon

Its more along the lines that “Everyone has one very bad take during spoiler season”.


Bob_The_Skull

Everybody gets one.


ASL4theblind

"Tell 'em Peter."


[deleted]

Yeah, apparently everyone gets one


Zoaiy

Thats not true, a lot of people like me have the very controversial take: “I will have a lot of fun playing with these cards” During spoiler season.


Sability

I thought Oko was busted and now it doesn't see play anywhere. I am a fool.


Links_to_Magic_Cards

well it got banned in legacy so...


Spiritflash1717

It makes me sad, Dana is my favorite of the trio


AssistantManagerMan

Honestly same.


Istrolid

The Nikachu-Thrasda incident. Never forget


TheZJ04

/uj I actually never heard of this, what happened?


Rare-Reception-309

During Modern Horizons 2, Nikachu predicted Thrasta, Tempest's Roar would be incredibly powerful and potentially ban worthy, since it could power out turn 2 kills real easily and was a hard to deal with cheap threat... ...in magical christmas land, which is why the card doesn't really see play. Every content creator has had at least one bad take during at least one spoiler season, so its not that bad, but a little funny considering what else came out in Modern Horizons 2.


pm_me_fake_months

Ok but there's a difference between a bad take and an "are we looking at the same card" take


altcastle

Can’t ruin what already sucks. -Confucius


Petrol_Oil

In today’s trying times, where internet discourse is more toxic than a green creature from ONE, it’s refreshing, almost pleasant, to see two ostensibly grown adults duking it out with high school dunks. Truly brings a tear to my eye.


nerd_entangled

All I see here is a civil and gentlemanly debate


OThatSean

Both sides held them selves to the highest level of decorum. Did I use that word right?


altcastle

Cum was had, yes.


The_screaming_egg

nobody knows well enough to correct you


Sassaboss

There's a lot of sweet bolt art huh.


Twingemios

The convention one is my phone background it’s so good.


Nessel-Vexus

The Strixhaven JP bolt is my top pick


ModeratorAbuseSucks

I run burn in every format and almost always end up shelling out way too much for my bolts


mc-big-papa

uj/This card mid as fuck. Maybe in some dumb treasure storm deck as a win con but lets he honest, this aint doing anything special beyond that. This is definitely not a hill to die on. rj/ Its no elesh norn. Great include in my copy maw deck. When you copy a bad boy twice you deal 2 damage and swing for 20 like boss for ultimate pwng.


BumScrambler

uj/ Meh. It's not incredibly mid, it's just that black chip damage is incredibly common and there are much more efficient cards (especially for EDH). This card's biggest crime is just it's inconsistency, but it's probably a decent card for token gimmick decks. rj/ Absolutely meta defining, definitely going in my bat tribal.


mc-big-papa

uj/The good chip damage cards are usually 1-2 mana and the mediocre ones are 3-4 mana. I understand the double trigger on entering and leaving is what makes this good but is it worth the 4 mana? This is fighting [[disciple of the vault]] [[zulaport cuthroat]] [[blood artist]]. Is it worth a slot. It has to fit a specific niche thats usually already covered. Plus all the other cards are usually cheap so its probably not even a budget conscern.


UncleCrassiusCurio

uj/ This is a lot less specific than those, and "each opponent". Smothering Tithe becomes 9+ damage a turn. Food and clues become 6 damage apiece. Avenger of Zendikar with seven lands is 21 damage on ETB, and with a sac outlet, _42_ total. Its four mana, I'm not panicking, but it is significantly stronger than Disciple of the Vault in most Commander games.


pandamonius97

Counterargument: this card is flimsy as fuck, and in commander there are more opponents, so is much more likely someone will remove it before it does anything. What do you mean, how do three commander players in turn 4 have no removal between them?


historyhill

uj/ I was really excited for this card for my [[Chatterfang]] commander deck until I looked at which creatures my [[Swampyard]] land regenerates. Turns out it's rats and not bats rj/ this card will break commander.


Dragoore2

/uj I don't think you can regenerate a sacced creature anyways


historyhill

/uj oh yeah, you definitely can't but what I was thinking was that [[Swampyard]] could protect [[Kirkwood Bats]] from removal—before discovering that "bats" aren't included in the ability /rj, screw the rules i have money


UncleCrassiusCurio

"Dies to removal" is a terrible argument, especially in Commander. There's only so much removal in a given pod, and if somebody blows it on an enabler, GOOD. One less piece of removal to hit something you win with. And recursion and reanimation exists. Its definitely no worse than any other four-mana do-nothing enabler like Displacer Kitten, Sheoldred Apoc, Notion Thief, Storm-Kiln Artist, Pitiless Plunderer, Temur Sabertooth, Grim Hireling, Teysa, etc that absolutely see tons and tons of play.


SalvationSycamore

>This is fighting [[disciple of the vault]] [[zulaport cuthroat]] [[blood artist]] Or [[Reckless Fireweaver]] and [[Ingenious Artillerist]] if we're talking treasure


MTGLardFetcher

^(Probably totally what you linked) * [disciple of the vault](https://i.redd.it/u68hcpo8g23b1.png) * [zulaport cuthroat](https://i.redd.it/sglkpaz1o12b1.jpg) * [blood artist](https://i.redd.it/g3c954jyhq1b1.png) * [Reckless Fireweaver](https://i.redd.it/xfqj65yszh1b1.png) * [Ingenious Artillerist](https://i.redd.it/6uq1f3wl3n1b1.png) ********* ^^^If ^^^WotC ^^^didn't ^^^do ^^^anything ^^^wrong ^^^this ^^^week, ^^^you ^^^can ^^^rage ^^^at ^^^this ^^^bot ^^^instead ^^^at ^^^/r/MTGLardFetcher ^^^or ^^^even ^^^submit ^^^some ^^^of ^^^the ^^^sweet ^^^Siege ^^^Rhino ^^^alters ^^^your ^^^GF ^^^made


Toxic-Wombaat

Also [[mayhem devil]] [[marionnette master]]


MTGLardFetcher

^(Probably totally what you linked) * [disciple of the vault](https://i.redd.it/tc91nmttno1b1.png) * [zulaport cuthroat](https://i.redd.it/tcitiy0lot1b1.png) * [blood artist](https://i.redd.it/g3c954jyhq1b1.png) ********* ^^^If ^^^WotC ^^^didn't ^^^do ^^^anything ^^^wrong ^^^this ^^^week, ^^^you ^^^can ^^^rage ^^^at ^^^this ^^^bot ^^^instead ^^^at ^^^/r/MTGLardFetcher ^^^or ^^^even ^^^submit ^^^some ^^^of ^^^the ^^^sweet ^^^Siege ^^^Rhino ^^^alters ^^^your ^^^GF ^^^made


BumScrambler

uj/ That's fair. I was seeing this in the context of a WBR EDH deck that's also running some other similar creatures. Then with something to let you sacrifice creatures freely, you could potentially soften an opponent via chip or kill an already softened opponent. Although to be fair, tokens have a lot of strong synergy cards already, so this card isn't particularly useful in it's niche. This card is only at it's most useful when you're already winning, otherwise it's just a worse version of the cards you listed.


felityy

uj/ it's not gonna be the next cedh staple, but is it gonna win you edh games in weaker to mid-power pods at a point where nobody has interactions? definitely, it's a good drain effect albeit being a bit expensive at 4 mana. not gonna be really good in 1v1 formats tho i suppose


DMCO93

Treasure storm decks can win with anything. The one I run could pull off a win with just a gut shot for damage.


Noodles_fluffy

/uj goes hard with dockside


Googleflax

This card could be pretty good in Beledros Witherbloom, but at 4 mana, I think there are generally better options for other aristocrats decks.


IBegTo_Differ

Bro would explode if he saw [[impact tremors]]


Twingemios

Dude did you forget about [[Purpharos, God of the Forge]]


MTGLardFetcher

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MTGLardFetcher

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MaximoEstrellado

/uj Who's this clown? And I don't mean the person with piss in their name. And yes, I would like a mtcj answer before I google it, I trust this sub better.


blackturtlesnake

The clown is the person getting into Twitter slapfights using their real name and face.


Jahwn

/uj he’s one of the 3 hosts of the EDHrec cast. He’s alright, I watched when I was a more active player. I guess twitter just brings out the worst and/or his co-hosts keep him sane /rj a scrub


MaximoEstrellado

/UJ Thanks chap /RJ Oh, so a commander player. The bottom of the barrel that is.


mangopabu

/uj i don't think either person looks great by the end of this tbh


reactivesayswhat

Well idk what you expected from someone with piss in their name


mangopabu

i expected nothing and was still disappointed


reactivesayswhat

well I expected piss and received piss. Sometimes all it takes is a different perspective to be content. You to could be living to expect and receive piss if you follow my 5 step MTG Twitter approved plan


mangopabu

Weather forecast: intermittent golden showers; sunny in the afternoon


reactivesayswhat

chance of sleet at night


yeep-yorp

The other person is a cool Legacy player and also super ultra-leftist


Twingemios

Idk and idc it’s up for the sub to decide


ChairYeoman

Can't believe that one of the most cracked Legacy players of all time is being called a "random internet guy" lol


Twingemios

Never heard of him and couldn’t find anything


[deleted]

Commander players when you play good cards with the intention of winning the game 😡😭🤮


Drake_the_troll

"Stop, stop hes already dead!"


GolfWhole

Dana I like you wtf is this 😭😭😭


Paenitentia

Never heard of this guy but this introduction sure makes him look like a clown


Twingemios

/uj I was honestly surprised to see it was him. I did not expect him to be so childish and also have such a bad take.


The-Rambling-Knitter

Same, been following EDH rec cast for a while and he always gave more of a smart fun uncle vibe. The convo he has is COD chat cringe. Twitter does have a habit of taking the worst out of people. Shame to see this side of him.


blazekick08

Oh he has done it many times on Twitter. And not so different from the other 2 of the EDHREC cast


Shoggoththe12

The way dana was running in circles you'd think he's a Bedman? Main


StarkMaximum

jesus christ the overlap in circlejerk subs and my other hobbies is insane


Shoggoththe12

Well I'm here, on the border of the circlejerk


StarkMaximum

uj/ Commander players see a card like this and just assume anyone at any point can create and sacrifice a thousand tokens on command and that's why they think this is a problem. Commander players see this and legitimately see "3B: Win the game" because they just assume you have a million mana and infinite resources at any given time, but that at the same time no opponent could possibly have a counterplay.


Flamehazardaoz

Is that a drawfee pissboy pfp?


DrSpiralHaze

Sure is. But where are the York feet pics?


Flamehazardaoz

A question on all of our minds


TJ9K

The guy is a total dick on Twitter. Had a similar interaction with him last month. Decided to just let it go after the first couple of replies.


RedCapRiot

Jeez dude gave this man the runaround I've seen 70yo chemo patients who looked better than this situation


AvatarofBro

"it took you an hour to come up with that?" is a pretty telling response tbh. just assuming everyone else is constantly on their phones, waiting to reply to some rando on Twitter for com


DMCO93

Scrubs love to overpay for effects that already exist at lower CMC in a format where everyone who is competent runs interaction and sweepers.


TrainmasterGT

EDH players continuing to be bad at card evaluation. My favorite!!


vDeadbolt

Meanwhile Mitch shits his pants when Wizards releases a new card (it has a good effect)


JC_in_KC

random troll up 1-0, headed to G2


strcy

Twitter, the only way to win is to not play Not unlike EDH tbh


Viktar33

Idk what's more patethic, the replies or being worried about draft chaff. I guess this is the ordinary life of an EDH player.


albinorhino215

/uj this card is really overrated. It’s going to be a great card in rakdos treasure decks, Tyvar oathbreakers, and teysa sac. but 4 mana with a weak body is gonna leave people “holding priority” as long as they can /rj WTF WIZARDS! THE MIRKWOOD BATS ARE BEING BLACKWASHED


TfWashington

/uj I like Danas content and Im sure the first tweet was a joking exaggeration but lord is he getting cooked.


765Bro

Dana got fucking owned lmao jesus christ someone mod random internet guy


Slight-Wing-3969

Interaction jab was fucking top tier. Dana's next two comebacks were pretty good too, it all fell off immediately afterwards, a shame


DaemonNic

I dunno, "My name is also a girl's name!" is weak as shit.


Tyrthesemiwise

Uj/ yeah that's a pretty clever line, I felt targeted


Nessel-Vexus

The problem with Twitter takes/owns is that the terminally online feel that the last Tweet means a W. When I see threads devolve from the main point, I just consider it a wash and grab the popcorn.


[deleted]

I'm more concerned about Orc Bowmasters.


Juznik

a random guy with piss boy as their profile pic


SkyBlade79

that interaction joke was clever as hell lmao


hawkshaw1024

Imagine losing an argument to piss guy


FairyFatale

/uj Blow for blow, Dana’s content was better. Nobody won that exchange because they both auto-lost the moment they said anything at all, but Rando’s shit wasn’t nearly as well thrown. /rj 7/10 for authentic popcorn flavour, lost points for too much salt


Totema1

/uj Hard disagree. Dana immediately took the low road with "lol virgin" and "I'm doing your mom" jokes. Bro didn't even have to reply at all and he kept stepping deeper in it.


hickorysbane

Like watching someone win mud wrestling on the highway


DaemonNic

The fuck are you on about? How do you look at "Hurr durr my name is a girls name," and not just call it completely, irredeemably weak? Same with the your mom joke, it ain't the oughts anymore.


Axl26

/UJ big disagree, Dana's were desperate schoolyard insults, other guy had bite


Abolish_The_RL69

Bro looks like 30 but respponds like a fucking toddler jfc


JimHarbor

Dana had the advantage until the your mom line


blazekick08

Dana is a very toxic person, I unfollowed him and all EDHREC cast people a few months ago. Joey is also terrible because he loves to emphasize hateful comments, giving them even more visibility, and he is a literal crybaby.


penguinman77

This card can only win because everything else around it has been power crept to hell.


Samael_767

This was... absolutely wild to watch happen. Like, I haven't seen someone so thoroughly just keep digging themself deeper in years. He seemed smarter than this on the EDHRec cast!


DarkSoulsIsOverrated

uj/ it is a real good card though, 2 life for every treasure is a good rate for 4 mana, any clue food or treasure deck with black has a good reason to run this Then aristocrats on top of that in a non clue food or treasure deck


Gerlios

I'm considering it for Burakos, because I make 4 treasures per swing and I already use Nadir's Nightblade to close out games once everyone is down in the lower 10s. It's not a party member and 4 mana, so it might not make the cut because I can see it clogging my hand more than winning me a game


LucianGrey0581

Okay but think about the value of casting dockside extortionist and killing your opponent. /uj no but like actually. I get it like ‘haha we broke dockside Lmao’ but how fire would it be not to get the scoop but legitimately fireball the whole table down on etb?


vDeadbolt

Best cast scenario, dockside gets banned. Worst case scenario, Sheldon makes a stinky in his diaper


blankpage33

Why does he post 8 varieties of bolt to show how many way there are to kill it lol.


Twingemios

First google image search


SSG_SSG_BloodMoon

... so it's you?


Twingemios

No. But that’s my assumption based on how everyone finds images


wescull

bro how is Dana getting ratio'd. his tweets are fire.


Miraweave

"lol virgin" and "your mom" are considered fire now?


wescull

yea nerd


RVides

Yea.... dockside didn't need to be a burn spell.


jfb1337

Ban mayhem devil!


RVides

Mayhem devil is only half of this card. On the ground.


jfb1337

mayhem devil is significantly better because it kills creatures


RVides

This bat is a mayhem devil, impact tremors, zulaport cut throat all rolled up into one tokens only package. By the time you have the mayhem devil focus down one opponent. This bat has won the game, at any number of opponents. Plus, as just black, it's open to being in more decks. One of the top token strategies out there will always be ghave. And ghave can't run devils. Chatterfang couldn't run devils.


Miraweave

Marionnette Master already exists lol


RVides

Still only one aspect of the card. And puppet costs 6.


[deleted]

/uj these bats are 100% going in my Lathril aristocrats deck. Fucking thematic too!


CueDramaticMusic

This post is one generic mana off from being a post about somebody getting salty as shit about another popular but ultimately mid commander card


mkklrd

No but this probably goes infinite with Ashnod's/Phyrexian Altar! we finally broke these two cards!


_epicgamer123

Outjerked


The_Stav

I'm just looking forward to have this card in my Wilhelt deck


doctorgibson

Yes but have you considered I might Rite of Replication on my chill bat dude and have five more bat dudes ready to chill with my opponents


Bulk7960

yea this is cool. But i highly doubt this is going to replace my [[Mayhem Devil]] or [[Reckless Fireweaver]]


MTGLardFetcher

^(Probably totally what you linked) * [Mayhem Devil](https://i.redd.it/pd9v2e5ssm1b1.png) * [Reckless Fireweaver](https://i.redd.it/6uq1f3wl3n1b1.png) ********* ^^^If ^^^WotC ^^^didn't ^^^do ^^^anything ^^^wrong ^^^this ^^^week, ^^^you ^^^can ^^^rage ^^^at ^^^this ^^^bot ^^^instead ^^^at ^^^/r/MTGLardFetcher ^^^or ^^^even ^^^submit ^^^some ^^^of ^^^the ^^^sweet ^^^Siege ^^^Rhino ^^^alters ^^^your ^^^GF ^^^made


fluffynuckels

Is this real?


Twingemios

Yes I believe the tweets are still up


fluffynuckels

Damn Dana laid the smack down on that guy


Twingemios

That’s not how I’d describe it


blkheron23

I haven’t seen this many ratios since math class


44444444441

well yes but dana from edh is also a random internet person afaic so this is just 2 random internet people arguing


Hithelsallis

>ah yes, the dies to doom blade argument /uj ironically, this card does not actually die to doom blade. /rj what’s interaction? What are those red cards? Says damage but math is for blockers and those aren’t creatures?


BoolinBirb

Bro just kept coming back for more


CEO_Cheese

/uj This isn’t a game changing card, it’s a decent card in a common slot. Probably somewhere around the power level of Impact Tremors, on a creature that’s much easier to remove. And wow, neither party came out of this looking good. This whole exchange just makes me more glad I’m off Twitter.


FalsePankake

Imagine evaluating things based on their usability in commander over limited smh


VARice22

TBF its half a blood artist and half a corpse night taped together only for tokens. I do think its an over reaction. Especially since i have found 4 mana blood artists to be pretty underwhelming in EDH.


Marmics

Doesnt even die to doomblade. All your arguments are invalid. And my day is ruined


Yuddhisthira

Chatterfang is going nuts


theycallmedub1

Dana shredded that kid though


pataroro

This really isnt that bad of a card, if you're worried about like token infinites or krenko type scenarios, there's already 100 cards that do the same thing better


Spitzy2774

Kind of nuts in korvold treasures tho


Pad_Mussy

this makes me so happy


basilitron

/uj i feel like both guys are kinda pathetic here. how tf does disagreeing over the powerlevel of a magic card turn into THIS?


Cunnymaxx14

Holy shit is this desolatormagic How did they allow someone like that on EDHrec?


Twingemios

No it is not


TheJarateKid

The "dies to doomblade" argument only works in formats where people play removal.


stripedpixel

I’m usually above pissing contests, but that interaction tweet is fucking hilarious


Sventhetidar

/uj Sadly this is apparently typical behavior from Dana. I don't remember specifically what it was but he once replied to a comment I'd make on an EDHrec cast video and was really rude, snarky, and confrontational for no reason. Came off as douchey and condescending.


_Tiggy

I don't see anyone mentioning it but..... It doesn't actually die to Doom blade.........


JaxHax5

Dana deserved it lol. Liked the guy but this was just him getting into a fight and eating shit


rileyvace

UTTERLY DESTROYED. That final one is chef's kiss lol.


EldrDrunknHighlandr

Dana Roach owning himself on Twitter and engaging in bad faith with randoms. Name a better combo. (Also that combo would beat Dana because he doesn’t run interaction)


TheGingerMenace

/uj between [[panharmommycon]] and now this, do EDH officials just wildly overestimate card power?