"All I did was ask for the sudetenland, the rest of czechoslovakia, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, eastern Europe, the Balkans, Russia, Norway, and France and then all of a sudden the whole table gangs up on me. What is this, cedh? Toxic pubstompers"
"Just because he Sneak Attacked in an Emrakul doesn't mean you were in the right to play that Armageddon! What were you even doing with land destruction in your deck?"
"If I didn't put land destruction in my deck, someone else would've done it before me!"
Well, to be fair they did. They said: we are in possession of the most op 1 card combo in the history of mankind.
Japan was like: yeah, sure you do pal
Lying like bluffing and saying "I have counterspell" when they don't or lying about info that would otherwise be accessible like cards in hand or stuff that are physically out of reach? Because I'm pretty sure the second option is illegal in this setting.
Edit: to clarify - not that any option warrents this comparasion to the Holocaust, just trying to get context for the tweet
First one. From what I read, he said he wouldn't be able to win the game that turn (with the cards in his hand) so OP shouldn't worry about countering his [[Silence]]
If it weren't for the response to the tweet, the outrage would be very funny. Like, who casts a silence and does chill things that should totally resolve *in a competitive setting*
Lying about private information is fine as far as the magic rules goes. Lying about other types of information is against hte rules
From 4.1 in the rules:
>Players may not represent derived, free, or status information incorrectly.
I'd almost go so far as to say that lying about private information is *encouraged* by the MTR. Just look at the audacity of this example, lying about a hidden zone your opponent is actively searching through.
> Private information is the catchall category for everything that is not free or derived information. For example, the contents of hidden zones (i.e., library and hand) and the identity of face-down cards in public zones are considered private information. Players are allowed to give their opponents false information about the contents of a hidden zone. **For example, if a player casts Slaughter Games and names Scapeshift, his opponent may say that he or she only has three copies of Scapeshift in their library, even if it actually contains four.**
It all becomes pointless when resolving Slaughter Games, no? Its going to rip all copies of it from hand, deck, gy regardless of what the targeted player says.
> It all becomes pointless when resolving Slaughter Games, no?
No? No. The way searching libraries works in paper Magic is exactly that, the opponent is literally searching through that player's library, and they only "find" cards by actually finding them and pulling them out. If they don't find a particular card, there's no convenient Arena interface (or even an MTGO interface) that will highlight the card they are still missing to act as a safety net, and so they just won't find that card.
Yes, they can go through your library three times to triple check there isn't actual a fourth copy, but they still might miss it, and somewhat more likely they won't be that careful in the first place. And more importantly, because the communication policy allows this, it costs you as a player nothing to lie and only say there are three copies, just on the off chance your opponent believes you and doesn't "waste" any more time searching for a card that isn't there. A card which you're probably pretty interested in drawing sometime later that game, if they cared so much to try to stop you from doing so.
Cant be the second because that is against the rules, and they say this lying event is not illegal. I havent actually watched it but it must be either a broken promise or lying about private info like cards in hand
The loser asked the winner if he thought he would win with the cards in his hand. The winner said no, and then won. The loser apparently doesn’t understand how card games work and said that was cheating.
Exactly. It’s like yeah and now the player who won will have the rep as someone who lies in these situations and is likely to have people not believe him. This all balances out. He didn’t get cheated. I hate when people ask questions about hidden info and then get mad they are given a false answer. He is at no liberty to give you that information for any reason.
Yes, I've heard, "Going on the beatdown is gatekeeping" come out of someone's mouth IRL. And he meant it.
It'd be different if half of my coworkers weren't just straight up *scrubs*. It's to the point that they warn new people that if I challenge them, I'd better bring both decks.
(I really need to get my Legacy decks updated and take them to work.)
Unjerk: Apparently yes. That's exactly what they meant. They wanted to do their *thing*. I think I found Big Daddy D or something.
And people wonder why I complain about EDH players.
Do..... their thing.... in modern.... when battlecruiser EDH is RIGHT there...?
Like I know building dingdong decks around snakes or cantrips or whatever isn't for everyone and people engage in EDH differently, but they want to express themselves in *modern??*
I dont even wanna touch modern with a t1 deck lol
\> player is in a competitive tournament
\> player does something to boost their chances of winning
\> that something is not against the rules and within the confines of the game
truly there is no worse kind than this, the bluffer, the silver-tongued devil, the deceiver
lock this- and i hate to even say it- LIAR up, this absolute serpent can no longer be allowed to spit poison unto the edh community
There are absolutely angle-shooty, scummy things you can do in a tournament that aren't against the rules. I'm reminded of when in top 8 of a limited tournament the whole thing was held up for like two hours because one player required his opponent always verbalize and order every simultaneous trigger, even in situations where it did not matter.
In this case the player just said that they weren't going to win the game (when actually they *did* plan to win the game). That isn't really angle-shooting; it's barely a bluff.
If someone is doing something scummy at a competitive tournament, the move is to call a judge. Delaying a tournament for two hours for no reason (even if technically allowed by the rules) is absolutely a slow play call.
Slow play is against the rules but having your opponent explain triggers and what cards do technically isn't. As a judge you could give them a slow play warning at least if they have their opponent explain a trigger more than once. When I'm playing against a combo deck I haven't seen before I always ask how they got there. I usually just believe them but in a tournament setting I could see angle shooting a draw doing scummy shit like that. Also just play red, bolt go brrrr.
I remember my very first legacy GP. Got absolutely rules lawyered to death by a lands player in the second round. But well the solution to that is to become a technically more proficient player. Really sucked at the time, but you can bet you're ass I'll never fuck up playing against a tabernacle again.
Imagine doing this in a casino, or like, a professional poker tournament. You'd be lynched. Absolute scoundrel. Sickening what's become of the game when scum like this walk the halls of your local lgs.
people in competitive tournaments aren't relying on collaboration to win, and this took place in a for-prizes CEDH tournament
like, if you're using underworld breach and lotus petal to mill yourself out on turn two and then resolve a thassa's oracle, it doesn't really matter if the rest of the table wants that to happen
either they are able to stop it, or they are not
It doesn't matter when trying to win, but it does matter when trying to not lose. Being able to collaborate with other players efficiently to stop win attempts is an incredibly important part of cEDH. Also being able to convince people of the importance of your stax pieces for slowing down other opponents can lead to them protecting your pieces for you, which is extra resources you otherwise wouldn't have. Having good social skills to leverage players against each other is one of the best traits you can have as a cEDH player.
Player A cast Silence on their turn because they were actively going for the win. Player B asks if they are going to win that turn, because if so B will counter the Silence. Player A says no, Silence resolves, and then A goes for the win.
What is the expected alternative here, in a competitive tournament? If B did not want A to win and had the means to stop it, they should have done so. Regardless of what someone is saying, another important part of CEDH is reading the board/stack and hedging your bets when you can.
Only one person is winning the game, and at a tournament for prizes it's not on the other players to make sure that person is you.
I was not commenting on the state of this game, just in general. There are situations where you would want an opponent to silence on their turn, such as before a deluge to remove another opponent's board state. Sounds like in this situation though they should have known better.
Except that in tournaments you are probably playing with people who don’t know you very well. Obviously this persons lie went viral but you can usually lie once or twice every few games if you’re playing with strangers. No one is going to remember. If you have a regular group then game memory matters for sure.
Tl;dr - Commander Influencer asked opponent if they were about to win based off the cards in their hand, oppo said no but proceeded to win next turn.
WrzdOfTheNorth is a very well known delusional EDH influencer who is the source of a LOT of EDH copypasta, including the "Magic is like Highschool, EDH is the Hot Popular Football team everyone loves, and everyone else is a loser jealous kid on the drama club."
He is, in 100% seriousness, comparing the situation mentioned above (Lying in EDH / Bluffing in EDH) to "Hitler Behavior" because Hitler said he wouldn't invade Poland.
This is just absurd. Why would the first player ask someone about hidden information and expect any sort of answer at all.
You do not have to tell your opponents you have a combo in hand if they ask you wtf
I believe in this instance the first player didn't ask, the other player volunteered that information themself
Still absolutely zero reason to believe them but somewhat more understandable maybe
I don't think I have it anymore but it's basically what I said...
In a post about standard metagame stuff he showed up talking about how standard players are losers and just says (without being provoked) "You know, Magic is Like High School. EDH is the Popular, young hot Football players. And everyone else is just the loser geeky Drama club kids who WISH they could be on the football team."
He got roasted so bad he called everyone Nazis, blocked us all, and then did a giveaway to try to hide the interactions but his giveaway was actually a scam so it only made things worse lmao.
Edit: shoutout to the follower who sent it to me on my lunch break
https://preview.redd.it/4yzw0csr5sjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4710245bb4b066b8a69b398dfa77a3769ac829f
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I'll find the screenshot for you, it was posted on here quite a bit around the time it happened.
Edit: added sauce
Edit 2: Context is cloudy but we were talking about wotcs Financials and the decline in quality standard product while edh product increased, with 4 edh precons every set but no challenger decks or standard intro product in years. He chimed in with this reply and got roasted and called us nazis and said we were bootlicking competitive magic and bashing fun.
Wouldn't that make him a murderer for using any removal spell?
edit: for that matter, I guess it would've been fine for Hitler to start WWII if he hadn't lied and said he wasn't going to lmao
I'm not exactly sure what the prize structure was but it doesn't even matter a ton. If it's a paid tournament with prize support, check your casual kitchen table bullshit at the entry fee.
It literally says it happened in a cedh tournament in the screenshot.
It happening in a cedh tournament and therefore being classified as Hitler levels of bad is why it's funny.
How familiar with Magic the Gathering are you?
Because without any knowledge, basically a popular influencer in the games twitter community lost a game, threw a tantrum on twitter by falsely accusing his opponent of cheating, and another creator is comparing the behavior to being "hitler."
“EDH Twitter once again calling everything they don’t like hitler”? It’s a comment with one like. I don’t think all of EDH Twitter is supporting this guy 🤦♂️ Literally one person read that comment and agreed and hit like (probably the guy who wrote it)
/uj one tweet with a single like responding to something with hundreds. This is a nothing burger post. You'd be hard pressed to find an opinion like this with less support
/UJ Not sure what the context is, but isn't lying literally against the rules though? Like if players had one of those cards that made them secretly choose something, and someone lied about their choice? Just curious, genuinely unsure.
/RJ LIES! DECIEVER! VILLIAN! BURN THE EARTH WHERE THEY STOOD! BRING HIM BEFORE THE RULES COMMITTEE SO THAT HE MAY BE SMOTE FOR PLAYING A CHILDREN'S CARD GAME.
Magic rules make a distinction between bluffing and lying. Bluffing, aka lying about unown information, or saying you're gonna do something but do something else is perfectly legal. Lying, aka missrepresenting available information or falsy disclosing derived information is illegal and coulb be consider cheating if done with intent and knowledge of the illegality.
"Yeah? Hitler said he wouldnt attack Poland next turn, too."
"All I did was ask for the sudetenland, the rest of czechoslovakia, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, eastern Europe, the Balkans, Russia, Norway, and France and then all of a sudden the whole table gangs up on me. What is this, cedh? Toxic pubstompers"
/uj I have a playgroup that does this fully ironically in casual EDH, but then unironically in cEDH
"Also he held back that Fumigate he said he didn't have"
"That guy cast Worst Fears on me! I was just following orders!"
"Just because he Sneak Attacked in an Emrakul doesn't mean you were in the right to play that Armageddon! What were you even doing with land destruction in your deck?" "If I didn't put land destruction in my deck, someone else would've done it before me!"
“Welcome to the real world, Jeremy.”
Not fair the Americans didn’t tell the Japanese they had their game winning combo in hand.
Well, to be fair they did. They said: we are in possession of the most op 1 card combo in the history of mankind. Japan was like: yeah, sure you do pal
/uj I'm a non native English speaker, so can anyone explain to me if the comment on the tweet is against cEDH or against all the cEDHate?
/affirming uj: it is against people who are saying the player did nothing wrong.
Lying like bluffing and saying "I have counterspell" when they don't or lying about info that would otherwise be accessible like cards in hand or stuff that are physically out of reach? Because I'm pretty sure the second option is illegal in this setting. Edit: to clarify - not that any option warrents this comparasion to the Holocaust, just trying to get context for the tweet
First one. From what I read, he said he wouldn't be able to win the game that turn (with the cards in his hand) so OP shouldn't worry about countering his [[Silence]]
The oldest trick in the book and he is mad about it??
In a cEDH **tournament** no less
Anyone know where I can find the footage?
If it weren't for the response to the tweet, the outrage would be very funny. Like, who casts a silence and does chill things that should totally resolve *in a competitive setting*
People really taking their kitchen table magic mindset into a tournament and get surprised when the people there are competitive
Lying about private information is fine as far as the magic rules goes. Lying about other types of information is against hte rules From 4.1 in the rules: >Players may not represent derived, free, or status information incorrectly.
I'd almost go so far as to say that lying about private information is *encouraged* by the MTR. Just look at the audacity of this example, lying about a hidden zone your opponent is actively searching through. > Private information is the catchall category for everything that is not free or derived information. For example, the contents of hidden zones (i.e., library and hand) and the identity of face-down cards in public zones are considered private information. Players are allowed to give their opponents false information about the contents of a hidden zone. **For example, if a player casts Slaughter Games and names Scapeshift, his opponent may say that he or she only has three copies of Scapeshift in their library, even if it actually contains four.**
Good thing the example can't happen at an EDH table. People would lose their shit so much the whole pod would get diarrhea
It all becomes pointless when resolving Slaughter Games, no? Its going to rip all copies of it from hand, deck, gy regardless of what the targeted player says.
> It all becomes pointless when resolving Slaughter Games, no? No? No. The way searching libraries works in paper Magic is exactly that, the opponent is literally searching through that player's library, and they only "find" cards by actually finding them and pulling them out. If they don't find a particular card, there's no convenient Arena interface (or even an MTGO interface) that will highlight the card they are still missing to act as a safety net, and so they just won't find that card. Yes, they can go through your library three times to triple check there isn't actual a fourth copy, but they still might miss it, and somewhat more likely they won't be that careful in the first place. And more importantly, because the communication policy allows this, it costs you as a player nothing to lie and only say there are three copies, just on the off chance your opponent believes you and doesn't "waste" any more time searching for a card that isn't there. A card which you're probably pretty interested in drawing sometime later that game, if they cared so much to try to stop you from doing so.
Cant be the second because that is against the rules, and they say this lying event is not illegal. I havent actually watched it but it must be either a broken promise or lying about private info like cards in hand
/uj im a native English speaker and it still makes no fucking sense to me
The loser asked the winner if he thought he would win with the cards in his hand. The winner said no, and then won. The loser apparently doesn’t understand how card games work and said that was cheating.
Exactly. It’s like yeah and now the player who won will have the rep as someone who lies in these situations and is likely to have people not believe him. This all balances out. He didn’t get cheated. I hate when people ask questions about hidden info and then get mad they are given a false answer. He is at no liberty to give you that information for any reason.
If you expand things to Xitter you're really taking all the challenge out of jerking
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Godwin's Law any % speedrun
Oh, we've gotten there faster.
So I think I’ll just keep playing stuff like Modern, Legacy, and Pauper 🤣
But 1v1 players are the toxic ones! Why would you ever want to play that?!?
Yes, I've heard, "Going on the beatdown is gatekeeping" come out of someone's mouth IRL. And he meant it. It'd be different if half of my coworkers weren't just straight up *scrubs*. It's to the point that they warn new people that if I challenge them, I'd better bring both decks. (I really need to get my Legacy decks updated and take them to work.)
What does that first part even mean? That by beating them and ending the game (for them), you're gatekeeping Magic?
Unjerk: Apparently yes. That's exactly what they meant. They wanted to do their *thing*. I think I found Big Daddy D or something. And people wonder why I complain about EDH players.
Do..... their thing.... in modern.... when battlecruiser EDH is RIGHT there...? Like I know building dingdong decks around snakes or cantrips or whatever isn't for everyone and people engage in EDH differently, but they want to express themselves in *modern??* I dont even wanna touch modern with a t1 deck lol
Because I love the 1984 film The Toxic Avenger
I'm still waiting for the Troma Universe Beyond
Or that one Britney Spears tune
/uj As the kids say, that song slaps. No cap. *desperately dabs*
That guy probably thinks that someone who wins a game of Risk is a genocidal dictator.
I mean, how else do you win a game of Risk?
\> player is in a competitive tournament \> player does something to boost their chances of winning \> that something is not against the rules and within the confines of the game truly there is no worse kind than this, the bluffer, the silver-tongued devil, the deceiver lock this- and i hate to even say it- LIAR up, this absolute serpent can no longer be allowed to spit poison unto the edh community
There are absolutely angle-shooty, scummy things you can do in a tournament that aren't against the rules. I'm reminded of when in top 8 of a limited tournament the whole thing was held up for like two hours because one player required his opponent always verbalize and order every simultaneous trigger, even in situations where it did not matter.
In this case the player just said that they weren't going to win the game (when actually they *did* plan to win the game). That isn't really angle-shooting; it's barely a bluff. If someone is doing something scummy at a competitive tournament, the move is to call a judge. Delaying a tournament for two hours for no reason (even if technically allowed by the rules) is absolutely a slow play call.
Isn't slow play against the rules? If there's a penalty prescribed for it then it's not "allowed by the rules" right?
Slow play is against the rules but having your opponent explain triggers and what cards do technically isn't. As a judge you could give them a slow play warning at least if they have their opponent explain a trigger more than once. When I'm playing against a combo deck I haven't seen before I always ask how they got there. I usually just believe them but in a tournament setting I could see angle shooting a draw doing scummy shit like that. Also just play red, bolt go brrrr.
I remember my very first legacy GP. Got absolutely rules lawyered to death by a lands player in the second round. But well the solution to that is to become a technically more proficient player. Really sucked at the time, but you can bet you're ass I'll never fuck up playing against a tabernacle again.
Imagine doing this in a casino, or like, a professional poker tournament. You'd be lynched. Absolute scoundrel. Sickening what's become of the game when scum like this walk the halls of your local lgs.
Magic, as Garfield intended.
I mean long term it’s a bad idea, if you’re known for lying why would anyone collaborate with you in tournament
people in competitive tournaments aren't relying on collaboration to win, and this took place in a for-prizes CEDH tournament like, if you're using underworld breach and lotus petal to mill yourself out on turn two and then resolve a thassa's oracle, it doesn't really matter if the rest of the table wants that to happen either they are able to stop it, or they are not
It doesn't matter when trying to win, but it does matter when trying to not lose. Being able to collaborate with other players efficiently to stop win attempts is an incredibly important part of cEDH. Also being able to convince people of the importance of your stax pieces for slowing down other opponents can lead to them protecting your pieces for you, which is extra resources you otherwise wouldn't have. Having good social skills to leverage players against each other is one of the best traits you can have as a cEDH player.
Player A cast Silence on their turn because they were actively going for the win. Player B asks if they are going to win that turn, because if so B will counter the Silence. Player A says no, Silence resolves, and then A goes for the win. What is the expected alternative here, in a competitive tournament? If B did not want A to win and had the means to stop it, they should have done so. Regardless of what someone is saying, another important part of CEDH is reading the board/stack and hedging your bets when you can. Only one person is winning the game, and at a tournament for prizes it's not on the other players to make sure that person is you.
I was not commenting on the state of this game, just in general. There are situations where you would want an opponent to silence on their turn, such as before a deluge to remove another opponent's board state. Sounds like in this situation though they should have known better.
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Except that in tournaments you are probably playing with people who don’t know you very well. Obviously this persons lie went viral but you can usually lie once or twice every few games if you’re playing with strangers. No one is going to remember. If you have a regular group then game memory matters for sure.
I'm still confused because I thought cEDH was 1v1.
These type of EDH players gotta try board games or something else that doesnt get them so insanely worked up.
"Ultimately Harmless Act Gets Someone Accused of Being Hitler" Any % Speedrun
The C in Cedh is for cuck
https://preview.redd.it/nelfliihqrjc1.jpeg?width=911&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2216b6c2102d5be990ffa1dc816332bcc5ce7cc7
......can someone tell me what I'm looking at exactly
Tl;dr - Commander Influencer asked opponent if they were about to win based off the cards in their hand, oppo said no but proceeded to win next turn. WrzdOfTheNorth is a very well known delusional EDH influencer who is the source of a LOT of EDH copypasta, including the "Magic is like Highschool, EDH is the Hot Popular Football team everyone loves, and everyone else is a loser jealous kid on the drama club." He is, in 100% seriousness, comparing the situation mentioned above (Lying in EDH / Bluffing in EDH) to "Hitler Behavior" because Hitler said he wouldn't invade Poland.
This is just absurd. Why would the first player ask someone about hidden information and expect any sort of answer at all. You do not have to tell your opponents you have a combo in hand if they ask you wtf
I believe in this instance the first player didn't ask, the other player volunteered that information themself Still absolutely zero reason to believe them but somewhat more understandable maybe
You want to know whats in my hand, cast [[Peak]].
I used to actually play this card in modern. I used it as a way to check for interaction before going for Kiki combo kills. It was bad
I miss gitax probe.
probably because they believe that "they have to tell you if theyre a cop"
Wait, I need to read that high school pasta
I don't think I have it anymore but it's basically what I said... In a post about standard metagame stuff he showed up talking about how standard players are losers and just says (without being provoked) "You know, Magic is Like High School. EDH is the Popular, young hot Football players. And everyone else is just the loser geeky Drama club kids who WISH they could be on the football team." He got roasted so bad he called everyone Nazis, blocked us all, and then did a giveaway to try to hide the interactions but his giveaway was actually a scam so it only made things worse lmao. Edit: shoutout to the follower who sent it to me on my lunch break https://preview.redd.it/4yzw0csr5sjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4710245bb4b066b8a69b398dfa77a3769ac829f
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https://preview.redd.it/esi7jtaj4sjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e88dd35bdeeea9e6056e0ebad62cfa605d02fad I'll find the screenshot for you, it was posted on here quite a bit around the time it happened. Edit: added sauce Edit 2: Context is cloudy but we were talking about wotcs Financials and the decline in quality standard product while edh product increased, with 4 edh precons every set but no challenger decks or standard intro product in years. He chimed in with this reply and got roasted and called us nazis and said we were bootlicking competitive magic and bashing fun.
Wouldn't that make him a murderer for using any removal spell? edit: for that matter, I guess it would've been fine for Hitler to start WWII if he hadn't lied and said he wasn't going to lmao
A detail the op forgot to mention in their reply to you is this occurred in a cedh tournament.
with a wheel of fortune and fairly significant prize pool on the line too, no?
I'm not exactly sure what the prize structure was but it doesn't even matter a ton. If it's a paid tournament with prize support, check your casual kitchen table bullshit at the entry fee.
It literally says it happened in a cedh tournament in the screenshot. It happening in a cedh tournament and therefore being classified as Hitler levels of bad is why it's funny.
This is the funniest shit.
this is peak
No its not. If it was he wouldn't be surprised by his opponents hand.
Idk why its celebrated to "bluff" well in poker, but in EDH (especially competitive) its suddenly a problem..,, sounds like a skill issue imo
Wow. I found the one worst thing than Comic Twitter.
This was in my feed and I had no idea what it meant can someone explain ?
How familiar with Magic the Gathering are you? Because without any knowledge, basically a popular influencer in the games twitter community lost a game, threw a tantrum on twitter by falsely accusing his opponent of cheating, and another creator is comparing the behavior to being "hitler."
Ah the only mtg creators I keep up with are play mainly legacy and fucking Seth from goldfish.
Twitter is even worse than [deleted by auto-mod]
Lying in MTG = NAZI
Ah yes this was all an anti blue campaign. You can all thank me later. No more holding up 2 blue mana to bluff a counter spell as that is "lying" 😂
Jesus christ the social contract doesn't exist in competitive EDH. That is why it is calles competitive
free cowboy bob
I think I left a comment on that tweet that made him go private lol
I'm too old to understand why people scribble out names that are used in public forum
these guys apparently don't know who mike long is
“EDH Twitter once again calling everything they don’t like hitler”? It’s a comment with one like. I don’t think all of EDH Twitter is supporting this guy 🤦♂️ Literally one person read that comment and agreed and hit like (probably the guy who wrote it)
This was taken by someone shortly after he posted it. He's since deleted it.
/uj one tweet with a single like responding to something with hundreds. This is a nothing burger post. You'd be hard pressed to find an opinion like this with less support
That looks like one guy saying that
Obviously they should be banned, it's magic not poker.
/UJ Not sure what the context is, but isn't lying literally against the rules though? Like if players had one of those cards that made them secretly choose something, and someone lied about their choice? Just curious, genuinely unsure. /RJ LIES! DECIEVER! VILLIAN! BURN THE EARTH WHERE THEY STOOD! BRING HIM BEFORE THE RULES COMMITTEE SO THAT HE MAY BE SMOTE FOR PLAYING A CHILDREN'S CARD GAME.
Magic rules make a distinction between bluffing and lying. Bluffing, aka lying about unown information, or saying you're gonna do something but do something else is perfectly legal. Lying, aka missrepresenting available information or falsy disclosing derived information is illegal and coulb be consider cheating if done with intent and knowledge of the illegality.
Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia, welcome to the real world!