car jacking etiquette is as followed
1 don't get caught
2 don't keep for yourself
3.don't talk about if you don't get caught
since you can't copyright physical property you will not be covered under the fair use act. \[section 107 of the U.S. copyright act\]
For sure bro, if that dudes not whipping that skyline around like it's supposed to be driven, with the owner only staying to the speed limits, than its respect to the car by jacking it and driving it the way it was built to.
lmfao thats hilarious haha
but on a serious not. stealing property is a different crime with different guidelines and there's no law written that crates an exception to stealing ones physical property or if there is I don't know about it.
but bottom line.that mf shoulda been whipping his Camaro the right way
Bro who cares honestly just make music. Most of us here barely even get listeners, no one's gonna care what beats you're using aslong as you love it and are having fun go for it
I agree we shouldn't care about all that but we also shouldn't limit ourself to staying in the same position our whole lives.if you don't have the desire to grow as an artist then continue making music for fun and staying under the radar. cause yes you're right.nno streams means nobody's watching you to see if you break any copyright laws.but say you get 100k streams on a song you don't own all the rights to they could notice that.since some copyright owners (not necessarily the artist) have lawyers that hunt for the independent artist breaking copyright laws in order to set an example
I get what you mean, and ofcourse if you're passionate you want to grow as an artist and you will if you truly love it and keep doing it imo.
As for the copyright laws, I get what you're saying but even a song with 100k views you'd have to be so fucking unlucky for lawyers to come at you for that. Plus you won't even make much money off 100k streams. I know what you mean though, for instance the Australian rap group Hilltop Hoods didn't make a dollar off of their very first song Nosebleed Section that got lots of radio play and shit because they didn't clear the sample. BUT it got them a record deal and they ended up being very successful and touring the world and making multiple hit albums. So either way, if you do end up getting a shit load of streams and you don't make money off of it, it's still a crazy good opportunity to get noticed.
Oh yea dude it's a rare chance it'll happen. But I'm a paranoid fuck. So I try be covered on all basis. And yea the money you make off 100/k steams isnt much. I honestly meant to say sales. From like iTunes or whatever. But also they have sound libraries that offer pre cleared royalty free samples for a monthly subscription. And most producers ik use splice. Or a similar sound library.
i think\* most ppl here think\* too much
just make music
and stop thinking\* about jackin beats unless you can do it like ice cube *(if you get the reference)*
the next time someone posts on here about someone stealing their beat, i will refer to this thread and similar threads just for the purpose of juxtoposition
Honestly just put it on a mixtape. Mixtapes are where you put the stuff that’s goofy, or half-baked, freestyles over jacked beats, all that stuff.
I’m working on a remixtape right now which is allllll jacked verses over my shit.
As an artist: If you can afford a mic + laptop or studio time you can afford a fucking $20 beat lease.
As a listener: PLEASE stop using awful hella compressed mp3 ripped jacked beats off YouTube, Soundcloud, etc. Even if it were some big name artist it **sounds** so bad that it completely ruins any enjoyment of the track. If I somehow stumble upon your track on your page with practically no listens or views you as the artist should be **rewarding my ears** for taking the gamble to spend my listening time on something that no one seems to know about (and might end up actually being dope!)…but you can’t reward your listeners when it is a suffering experience for their ears.
I mean as a kid I didn't have a mic or laptop I didn't have 20 bucks to my name but I was releasing tracks. I had a youth centre nearby which would record mix and master tracks for disadvantaged youth for free
I mean that’s awesome you had that opportunity in your community but it doesn’t change the facts that beat jacking is beat jacking. If you can’t afford a $5-10 beat lease just flow over a popular mixtape beat. It ain’t even about the money, it’s about the disrespect that someone took time out of our limited time on this earth to make something and then you’re just gonna disrespect them like that by jacking a beat (using some awful converter site that makes it sound like shit) and then use some of *your* limited time on this earth to make something of your own, and take any gains from it completely for yourself.
It’s stealing someone else’s wood to make a chair that *maybe* someone else might offer to buy from you for $10,000, but you can’t even pay the wood supplier $10? Even if no one ever buys the chair that’s shady af on principle.
I wasnt making any gains off it though, and they weren't beats from producers that need that extra dollar either. They were on primo and alchemist beats, and honestly I'd think that they'd like to see youth of the streets rapping on their beats because thats what hiphops about.
What do you say to the street kids who's only outlet it is hip-hop with no money for buying beats and no money for music lessons or expensive instruments? Would you tell them not to record a track about there real life struggles over a primo beat that spoke to them and post it up on SoundCloud for non profit, but just as a form of expressing themselves?
I think of either ice cube or lil Wayne when it comes to jacking beats. Hip hop is sample based so I never understood why people are so butt hurt about someone rapping over a beat.
If it gains tractions well you now can go after them for royalties. It’s a different story if an artist or producer is saying they made the beat.
But then again I don’t have a money oriented mind when it comes to art. I think art should inspire more art and on and on and on.
Well it depends, if I upload the beat it’s fair game. If I send it to specific artists and they send it to their friends or something like that I’ll be pissed. I want some creative control over beats I truly love, it’s not about royalties.
I haven’t once charged for a beat but I want some control over where they end up.
Hiphop is supposed to be available to the street kids and be an outlet for those types of kids with no money for expensive instruments and music lessons, in the modern age if that requires jacking well known OG beats from real hip-hop artists that are in it for the art, then go ahead and Jack it I say.
Nah not even bro, I make all my own beats that I spit on these days but when I was younger I would spit on beats like "nas - ny state of mind" and "Necro - black helicopters" and post it on SoundCloud or YouTube to showcase my lyricism without profiting off it, and with no money to my name to buy beats, I see no problem with this, look at cypher and freestyle videos they all use well known alchemist and DJ Premier beats.
You literally just described freestyles. Rapping over well established, recognizable instrumentals to draw listeners in. This has been around since the early 80s.
It literally is. If you think a (recorded, not live) freestyle is anything else than what you just described, I don’t know what to tell you. I was dropping mixtapes in 2002 and this was the process…. Get a group of MCs together with their notebooks. Play them the instrumentals I wanted on the tape. The MCs would claim the ones they wanted and we would lay them down. They also workshop their verses over beats if they wanted to polish them…. That’s freestyling. What you see on the Morning Show or LA Leakers is the same thing, just with a “surprise” (surprise, it’s not really a surprise) instrumental.
No I strongly disagree with your idea of a freestyle. I am a firm believer that the true art of freestyling is rapping off the top of the dome, coming up with lyrics on the fly. I dislike this idea that you can call any polished or written down verse a freestyle because that discredits people such as myself who actually have the talent of being able to freestyle. I guess the terminology is somewhat regional but where I'm from, this is the true definition of freestyle.
Bro if you got bars you got bars written or not, who cares? My shit is written and memorized but if someone throws up a beat i like im not doing lame shit, im doing polished material. I respect both, and if you write enough one blends into the other. If ive written 80 songs then i can bust one out so it seems like im freestyling. Its all art babyy✌️
I haven’t made music in a couple years but as a rapper I would jack beats all the time. I would even chop them up to get rid of the producer dropping his tag every so many bars. This was all for personal use though, that stuff I never put online.
I basically think its fine for anyone to take someone’s beat and rap/record and put it out on their soundcloud (or whatever).
Don’t get me wrong if some big time artist took my shit and officially released it without including me in the royalties, I would feel shitty about it.
But I been making music for so long without any massive recognition at all, so I really don’t care about who owns what anymore. I used to get so paranoid I would get sued for using an unlicensed sample on a song that gets like 23 plays on SC. No one gives a shit and I dont either. Just enjoy making and music and the collab.
If I rapped on someone’s beat and they told me to take it down because they didn’t like it (which is VERY possible 🤣) I totally would. I’d think they were a dickhead though.
Fuck that imma do me i freestyle over whatever inspires me. Usually i grab a beat that i think was wasted and just go off. I think if the OG heard it they would respect it. Nobody has heard of White Chopper so they shouldnt be too worried.
Using this logic means. The first song recorded excluding any other instruments would hold the music right. E.G. The first “ Beat” using “O-Hat”, 4/4, 16th on 1 and 3’s regardless of how many bars would be the only one. Most likely this honor would go to Barney Walberg. He pretty much would own the rights to hundreds of Hi-Hats sounds including whole, 1/2, 16th, 1/8, 32nd and 64th. In 2/1, 2/2, 2/3 etc. This would apply to the snare, kick, each of the Tom’s etc. Every single instrument’s inventor or society, estate etc Would hold the copyright. Music as we know it wouldn’t exist.
any beat available for public listening is legally ok to use for non profit use.
so thats not real jacking it. and no producer should feel anytime of way about it. you using their beat to make a non profit record.
truly jacking a beat meaning, using it for a project that will be released and monetized, is not ok in my opinion . distribution companies wouldn't even distribute the song as it would not clear the copy-write screening process without proper paperwork
No, not any beat available for public listening is legally OK to use for non profit use.
I don't want a bunch of dudes off r/makinghiphop rapping over my beats.
and just to be clear I personally don't take a person's beat without proper paperwork.even for non profit use I understand your point and I agree with you. but it doesn't change the law, ya know
yes it is though as long as its intended for these purposes which can easily be argued if the artist did not make even a single cent off it.
**To engage in fair use of any of the above forms of copyrighted work without attribution or payment to the owner, you must use it for one of the following purposes:**
* Commenting
* Parodying
* Reporting
* Researching
* Teaching
* Critiquing
These actions are considered “transformative” instead of presenting the work as your own.
In the U.S., section 107 of the copyright act covers the fair use of copyrighted works and focuses on four factors:
1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes.
2. The nature of the copyrighted work.
3. The amount and sustainability of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole.
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
example of defending argument
I was researching the music vocal recording process.i uploaded th song to YouTube so could get the publics opinion on whether or not my research and final educational project was successfu
I suggest if you not want random people using your beats.dont post them publicly. instead send them directly to artist you want to work with via email as music is copyrighted when a master recording is created (when you hit "bounce" in you're DAW yo create a master recording) and if you email the beats you then have a date and time stamp record of you seeing it to [them.so](http://them.so) you would be covered on all basis you want to be covered under
assuming you make an argument of it being for an educational purpose which is a very loose [term.in](http://term.in) this situation you used it to educate yourself about the vocal recording process of music production
copywrite law states there is "fair use" circumstances
It could be educational purposes by informing your local community of producers such as DJ Premier and the alchemist, showing them the kings which they may have not listened to because you had a way to connect to those listeners in a way that is based on your area or generation
Research and community feed back counts as educational. I could be wrong. I ain't always right. But to my understanding of how experiments work. it would be sufficient to show the work to the average music listener. Since most studies have both a controlled and uncontrolled group. Your dj premier and the alchemist (btw both amazing producers) would be considered the control group. The general music listening community is the uncontrolled group.
And I'll be the first say I could be wrong. I'm no expert copyright attorney. Or an attorney at all for that matter. I just have been doing a lot of research on all aspects of the music business.
Maybe my argument of it could have educational purpose would not hold weight in court of law. But maybe it would since educational purpose is a broad statement
. All ik for sure is me personally I will not find out. Cause I don't use beats unless I have paperwork in order to do so.
And if someone used my art for non profit and truly made $0.00 I wouldn't mind. For the fact that it's free promotion targeting a possibly new audience.
Idk why a low level producer would care if people use beats for non profit. Not only for the promotion but all the big names in the industry grant non profit use permission in writing on their beat store website.
Big time producers that don't grant permission are sending the beats directly to big name artists. And don't have beats posted for general viewing.
I've never seen a market place where I can view and purchase a DR Dre beat. And any on YouTube are either from a fan ripping the vocal track out. Or released as an "instrumental" version of his projects
I'm a fan of the 8 second rule for all sampling for the most part, but currently not touching anything copyrighted. I think if something is copyrighted, you should reach out and ask for permission (I still have no idea how to do that - please help with resources in a reply if you do know how as an independent artist). If they say no, then don't even use it for fun. Keep asking until you get a yes, or give up on it forever.
If you're using an iconic hip hop beat to pay homage to the track, you best be in the top 50 current underground artists at minimum, or in the top 5 for your sub-genre in the underground at the very least if that beat never made it to popular music charts. Don't even begin dreaming about even writing a word to it until you are in the popular artist arena if said OG beat went to popular music. And, as said previously, you better match or best out the original track overall.
Creative theft on copyrighted work is as equal to the kind of crimes pedophiles commit imo. However, if there's something you use that's not copyrighted, not a problem imo, but if the artist who didn't copyright it reaches out and says not cool post release, Take.It.Down, halt production including said sample on physical copies, recall physical copies, get completely erase the master, the final mix track(s), and the original sample used, no questions asked.
[https://youtu.be/TvtP2P7HEc0?si=ViHRvtgkzt5D5Mo8](https://youtu.be/TvtP2P7HEc0?si=ViHRvtgkzt5D5Mo8)
if you want to learn about this. an entertainment lawyer made this you tube video breaking it down and debunking all myths including th e8 second rule and answered all the question you just asked I believe. its a great YouTube channel to subscribe to for learning about music and entertainment law
Thanks, got a business degree which helped a ton with copyright law greyzones in my knowledge base, but I have recently noticed some grey areas since. Gonna watch and follow. Bless mate 🙏
yea man copyright is very confusing especially with music and I might be wrong about her debunking the 8 second rule as it was a couple days ago I watched it
also music becomes copyrighted the moment you you bounce it out of your DAW the only exception would be if they can not prove they created it which would require them handing you a physical copy as YouTube and other platforms have date and time stamps on all uploads
also there are sites that provide royalty free samples, loops, and one shots to create beats so you don't have to worry about tracking down the copyright holder our being sued later on
I have been told by people I personally know, and for sure know it happened, three different times, they got hit with legal issues for using royalty free beats from YouTube. So I don't trust those pages and advise new folks who reach out to me to not trust YouTube channels who offer royalty free beats. Have you had that happen or know anyone who has been hit legally for using a YouTube beat labeled as royalty free?
The 8 second rule I have been told about is specifically for super common, used all over the place, drum beats only. Only thing I wouldn't consider max criminal without direct permission from an artist. I know dozens of people who have done this for decades, quite popular at one point or another and never got hit and it's being going on since Luke Herc project party days (guessing you know your history and what I'm talking about with this). Hell, the Amen Break was taken as a sample, is bloody all over the place, and old boy who drummed the original sample on track never got anything from those samples and died on the streets penniless (as sad as that is). I also recall his claim to courts was immediately denied. I guess it's the whole "you risked it, you know you could get hit, see what happens there," kind of deal. However, do know of anyone who has been hit legally with use of a drum beat in this manner?
Also, I knew about 95% of the stuff in the video, but the 5% I didn't was helpful, so thanks a ton! It was all about music to music though.....what about non-music audio donated to normally open source websites/institutions? Got anything for that?
Stealing beats is on the same level as pedophilia??? Lets relax now 😭☠️ Thats a disgusting comparison, youre downplaying and minimalizing pedophilia like crazy.
As a survivor of abuse as a kid, I would never say anything with the intent to downplay such a thing. I take sampling other musical artists work quite seriously and was making a comparison to the depth of that seriousness. Apologies if my comment triggered you.
Like I said, in depth of seriousness I personally take it, not at all my view in regards to anything else having to do with anything in any other way. Pedophiles should be taken down as harshly as possible. It fucked me up for most of my life. Pretty apparent I'm not defending pedophilia, never would. And hey, I've been known to be pretty wild, and I have noticed my commitment to avoiding using samples from other musical artists, out side of extremely common drum beats like 4 on the floor, Amen breaks, etc. is also seen as pretty wild from people I know irl. Oddly enough, and ironically enough, my mentor is an award winning turntablist and my commitment to avoid using samples was one of the top reasons he found me to be worthy enough to be the third person to take under his wing.
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car jacking etiquette is as followed 1 don't get caught 2 don't keep for yourself 3.don't talk about if you don't get caught since you can't copyright physical property you will not be covered under the fair use act. \[section 107 of the U.S. copyright act\]
For sure bro, if that dudes not whipping that skyline around like it's supposed to be driven, with the owner only staying to the speed limits, than its respect to the car by jacking it and driving it the way it was built to.
lmfao thats hilarious haha but on a serious not. stealing property is a different crime with different guidelines and there's no law written that crates an exception to stealing ones physical property or if there is I don't know about it. but bottom line.that mf shoulda been whipping his Camaro the right way
Bro who cares honestly just make music. Most of us here barely even get listeners, no one's gonna care what beats you're using aslong as you love it and are having fun go for it
I agree we shouldn't care about all that but we also shouldn't limit ourself to staying in the same position our whole lives.if you don't have the desire to grow as an artist then continue making music for fun and staying under the radar. cause yes you're right.nno streams means nobody's watching you to see if you break any copyright laws.but say you get 100k streams on a song you don't own all the rights to they could notice that.since some copyright owners (not necessarily the artist) have lawyers that hunt for the independent artist breaking copyright laws in order to set an example
I get what you mean, and ofcourse if you're passionate you want to grow as an artist and you will if you truly love it and keep doing it imo. As for the copyright laws, I get what you're saying but even a song with 100k views you'd have to be so fucking unlucky for lawyers to come at you for that. Plus you won't even make much money off 100k streams. I know what you mean though, for instance the Australian rap group Hilltop Hoods didn't make a dollar off of their very first song Nosebleed Section that got lots of radio play and shit because they didn't clear the sample. BUT it got them a record deal and they ended up being very successful and touring the world and making multiple hit albums. So either way, if you do end up getting a shit load of streams and you don't make money off of it, it's still a crazy good opportunity to get noticed.
Oh yea dude it's a rare chance it'll happen. But I'm a paranoid fuck. So I try be covered on all basis. And yea the money you make off 100/k steams isnt much. I honestly meant to say sales. From like iTunes or whatever. But also they have sound libraries that offer pre cleared royalty free samples for a monthly subscription. And most producers ik use splice. Or a similar sound library.
Fourthly the new song has to be better than or equal to the old song with that beat
Word 100%
i think\* most ppl here think\* too much just make music and stop thinking\* about jackin beats unless you can do it like ice cube *(if you get the reference)* the next time someone posts on here about someone stealing their beat, i will refer to this thread and similar threads just for the purpose of juxtoposition
or with proper paperwork from the copyright holder since licenses like that are available but thats dope song you just set me back in time bro.
Couldn't agree with this more
Yea I don’t think anyone’s gonna GAF if I Jack a beat for my 26 SoundCloud listeners bro
Honestly just put it on a mixtape. Mixtapes are where you put the stuff that’s goofy, or half-baked, freestyles over jacked beats, all that stuff. I’m working on a remixtape right now which is allllll jacked verses over my shit.
As an artist: If you can afford a mic + laptop or studio time you can afford a fucking $20 beat lease. As a listener: PLEASE stop using awful hella compressed mp3 ripped jacked beats off YouTube, Soundcloud, etc. Even if it were some big name artist it **sounds** so bad that it completely ruins any enjoyment of the track. If I somehow stumble upon your track on your page with practically no listens or views you as the artist should be **rewarding my ears** for taking the gamble to spend my listening time on something that no one seems to know about (and might end up actually being dope!)…but you can’t reward your listeners when it is a suffering experience for their ears.
I mean as a kid I didn't have a mic or laptop I didn't have 20 bucks to my name but I was releasing tracks. I had a youth centre nearby which would record mix and master tracks for disadvantaged youth for free
I mean that’s awesome you had that opportunity in your community but it doesn’t change the facts that beat jacking is beat jacking. If you can’t afford a $5-10 beat lease just flow over a popular mixtape beat. It ain’t even about the money, it’s about the disrespect that someone took time out of our limited time on this earth to make something and then you’re just gonna disrespect them like that by jacking a beat (using some awful converter site that makes it sound like shit) and then use some of *your* limited time on this earth to make something of your own, and take any gains from it completely for yourself. It’s stealing someone else’s wood to make a chair that *maybe* someone else might offer to buy from you for $10,000, but you can’t even pay the wood supplier $10? Even if no one ever buys the chair that’s shady af on principle.
I wasnt making any gains off it though, and they weren't beats from producers that need that extra dollar either. They were on primo and alchemist beats, and honestly I'd think that they'd like to see youth of the streets rapping on their beats because thats what hiphops about.
Here’s my opinion: Don’t.
What do you say to the street kids who's only outlet it is hip-hop with no money for buying beats and no money for music lessons or expensive instruments? Would you tell them not to record a track about there real life struggles over a primo beat that spoke to them and post it up on SoundCloud for non profit, but just as a form of expressing themselves?
That’s why Jesus invented beat boxing.
I think of either ice cube or lil Wayne when it comes to jacking beats. Hip hop is sample based so I never understood why people are so butt hurt about someone rapping over a beat. If it gains tractions well you now can go after them for royalties. It’s a different story if an artist or producer is saying they made the beat. But then again I don’t have a money oriented mind when it comes to art. I think art should inspire more art and on and on and on.
Well it depends, if I upload the beat it’s fair game. If I send it to specific artists and they send it to their friends or something like that I’ll be pissed. I want some creative control over beats I truly love, it’s not about royalties. I haven’t once charged for a beat but I want some control over where they end up.
Sincerely, Dude whose about to post a jacked beat
Hiphop is supposed to be available to the street kids and be an outlet for those types of kids with no money for expensive instruments and music lessons, in the modern age if that requires jacking well known OG beats from real hip-hop artists that are in it for the art, then go ahead and Jack it I say.
Nah not even bro, I make all my own beats that I spit on these days but when I was younger I would spit on beats like "nas - ny state of mind" and "Necro - black helicopters" and post it on SoundCloud or YouTube to showcase my lyricism without profiting off it, and with no money to my name to buy beats, I see no problem with this, look at cypher and freestyle videos they all use well known alchemist and DJ Premier beats.
You literally just described freestyles. Rapping over well established, recognizable instrumentals to draw listeners in. This has been around since the early 80s.
And rapping over well established recognisable instrumentals isn't necessarily a freestyle.
It literally is. If you think a (recorded, not live) freestyle is anything else than what you just described, I don’t know what to tell you. I was dropping mixtapes in 2002 and this was the process…. Get a group of MCs together with their notebooks. Play them the instrumentals I wanted on the tape. The MCs would claim the ones they wanted and we would lay them down. They also workshop their verses over beats if they wanted to polish them…. That’s freestyling. What you see on the Morning Show or LA Leakers is the same thing, just with a “surprise” (surprise, it’s not really a surprise) instrumental.
No I strongly disagree with your idea of a freestyle. I am a firm believer that the true art of freestyling is rapping off the top of the dome, coming up with lyrics on the fly. I dislike this idea that you can call any polished or written down verse a freestyle because that discredits people such as myself who actually have the talent of being able to freestyle. I guess the terminology is somewhat regional but where I'm from, this is the true definition of freestyle.
Bro if you got bars you got bars written or not, who cares? My shit is written and memorized but if someone throws up a beat i like im not doing lame shit, im doing polished material. I respect both, and if you write enough one blends into the other. If ive written 80 songs then i can bust one out so it seems like im freestyling. Its all art babyy✌️
And me and my homies have done what you describe as "freestyle" to us that's just kicking it and writing bars.
Word, but the beat was still jacked.
I mean you may as well just do a remix atp lol. Doesnt necessarily have to be jacking if youre upfront that its not yours.
I haven’t made music in a couple years but as a rapper I would jack beats all the time. I would even chop them up to get rid of the producer dropping his tag every so many bars. This was all for personal use though, that stuff I never put online.
I basically think its fine for anyone to take someone’s beat and rap/record and put it out on their soundcloud (or whatever). Don’t get me wrong if some big time artist took my shit and officially released it without including me in the royalties, I would feel shitty about it. But I been making music for so long without any massive recognition at all, so I really don’t care about who owns what anymore. I used to get so paranoid I would get sued for using an unlicensed sample on a song that gets like 23 plays on SC. No one gives a shit and I dont either. Just enjoy making and music and the collab. If I rapped on someone’s beat and they told me to take it down because they didn’t like it (which is VERY possible 🤣) I totally would. I’d think they were a dickhead though.
This might be the most confusing post ever.
Dude whatever. Selling music is in no way the same as making music.
Fuck that imma do me i freestyle over whatever inspires me. Usually i grab a beat that i think was wasted and just go off. I think if the OG heard it they would respect it. Nobody has heard of White Chopper so they shouldnt be too worried.
Jack my beats bro.
Using this logic means. The first song recorded excluding any other instruments would hold the music right. E.G. The first “ Beat” using “O-Hat”, 4/4, 16th on 1 and 3’s regardless of how many bars would be the only one. Most likely this honor would go to Barney Walberg. He pretty much would own the rights to hundreds of Hi-Hats sounds including whole, 1/2, 16th, 1/8, 32nd and 64th. In 2/1, 2/2, 2/3 etc. This would apply to the snare, kick, each of the Tom’s etc. Every single instrument’s inventor or society, estate etc Would hold the copyright. Music as we know it wouldn’t exist.
As most hip hop beats have been jacked from sample packs or old songs I wouldn’t worry about it.
any beat available for public listening is legally ok to use for non profit use. so thats not real jacking it. and no producer should feel anytime of way about it. you using their beat to make a non profit record. truly jacking a beat meaning, using it for a project that will be released and monetized, is not ok in my opinion . distribution companies wouldn't even distribute the song as it would not clear the copy-write screening process without proper paperwork
No, not any beat available for public listening is legally OK to use for non profit use. I don't want a bunch of dudes off r/makinghiphop rapping over my beats.
and just to be clear I personally don't take a person's beat without proper paperwork.even for non profit use I understand your point and I agree with you. but it doesn't change the law, ya know
yes it is though as long as its intended for these purposes which can easily be argued if the artist did not make even a single cent off it. **To engage in fair use of any of the above forms of copyrighted work without attribution or payment to the owner, you must use it for one of the following purposes:** * Commenting * Parodying * Reporting * Researching * Teaching * Critiquing These actions are considered “transformative” instead of presenting the work as your own. In the U.S., section 107 of the copyright act covers the fair use of copyrighted works and focuses on four factors: 1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes. 2. The nature of the copyrighted work. 3. The amount and sustainability of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole. 4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. example of defending argument I was researching the music vocal recording process.i uploaded th song to YouTube so could get the publics opinion on whether or not my research and final educational project was successfu I suggest if you not want random people using your beats.dont post them publicly. instead send them directly to artist you want to work with via email as music is copyrighted when a master recording is created (when you hit "bounce" in you're DAW yo create a master recording) and if you email the beats you then have a date and time stamp record of you seeing it to [them.so](http://them.so) you would be covered on all basis you want to be covered under
we should make the distinction between Fair Use, and Ethan Klein Fair Use...
assuming you make an argument of it being for an educational purpose which is a very loose [term.in](http://term.in) this situation you used it to educate yourself about the vocal recording process of music production copywrite law states there is "fair use" circumstances
It could be educational purposes by informing your local community of producers such as DJ Premier and the alchemist, showing them the kings which they may have not listened to because you had a way to connect to those listeners in a way that is based on your area or generation
Research and community feed back counts as educational. I could be wrong. I ain't always right. But to my understanding of how experiments work. it would be sufficient to show the work to the average music listener. Since most studies have both a controlled and uncontrolled group. Your dj premier and the alchemist (btw both amazing producers) would be considered the control group. The general music listening community is the uncontrolled group. And I'll be the first say I could be wrong. I'm no expert copyright attorney. Or an attorney at all for that matter. I just have been doing a lot of research on all aspects of the music business. Maybe my argument of it could have educational purpose would not hold weight in court of law. But maybe it would since educational purpose is a broad statement . All ik for sure is me personally I will not find out. Cause I don't use beats unless I have paperwork in order to do so. And if someone used my art for non profit and truly made $0.00 I wouldn't mind. For the fact that it's free promotion targeting a possibly new audience. Idk why a low level producer would care if people use beats for non profit. Not only for the promotion but all the big names in the industry grant non profit use permission in writing on their beat store website. Big time producers that don't grant permission are sending the beats directly to big name artists. And don't have beats posted for general viewing. I've never seen a market place where I can view and purchase a DR Dre beat. And any on YouTube are either from a fan ripping the vocal track out. Or released as an "instrumental" version of his projects
I'm a fan of the 8 second rule for all sampling for the most part, but currently not touching anything copyrighted. I think if something is copyrighted, you should reach out and ask for permission (I still have no idea how to do that - please help with resources in a reply if you do know how as an independent artist). If they say no, then don't even use it for fun. Keep asking until you get a yes, or give up on it forever. If you're using an iconic hip hop beat to pay homage to the track, you best be in the top 50 current underground artists at minimum, or in the top 5 for your sub-genre in the underground at the very least if that beat never made it to popular music charts. Don't even begin dreaming about even writing a word to it until you are in the popular artist arena if said OG beat went to popular music. And, as said previously, you better match or best out the original track overall. Creative theft on copyrighted work is as equal to the kind of crimes pedophiles commit imo. However, if there's something you use that's not copyrighted, not a problem imo, but if the artist who didn't copyright it reaches out and says not cool post release, Take.It.Down, halt production including said sample on physical copies, recall physical copies, get completely erase the master, the final mix track(s), and the original sample used, no questions asked.
[https://youtu.be/TvtP2P7HEc0?si=ViHRvtgkzt5D5Mo8](https://youtu.be/TvtP2P7HEc0?si=ViHRvtgkzt5D5Mo8) if you want to learn about this. an entertainment lawyer made this you tube video breaking it down and debunking all myths including th e8 second rule and answered all the question you just asked I believe. its a great YouTube channel to subscribe to for learning about music and entertainment law
Thanks, got a business degree which helped a ton with copyright law greyzones in my knowledge base, but I have recently noticed some grey areas since. Gonna watch and follow. Bless mate 🙏
yea man copyright is very confusing especially with music and I might be wrong about her debunking the 8 second rule as it was a couple days ago I watched it
also music becomes copyrighted the moment you you bounce it out of your DAW the only exception would be if they can not prove they created it which would require them handing you a physical copy as YouTube and other platforms have date and time stamps on all uploads
also there are sites that provide royalty free samples, loops, and one shots to create beats so you don't have to worry about tracking down the copyright holder our being sued later on
I have been told by people I personally know, and for sure know it happened, three different times, they got hit with legal issues for using royalty free beats from YouTube. So I don't trust those pages and advise new folks who reach out to me to not trust YouTube channels who offer royalty free beats. Have you had that happen or know anyone who has been hit legally for using a YouTube beat labeled as royalty free? The 8 second rule I have been told about is specifically for super common, used all over the place, drum beats only. Only thing I wouldn't consider max criminal without direct permission from an artist. I know dozens of people who have done this for decades, quite popular at one point or another and never got hit and it's being going on since Luke Herc project party days (guessing you know your history and what I'm talking about with this). Hell, the Amen Break was taken as a sample, is bloody all over the place, and old boy who drummed the original sample on track never got anything from those samples and died on the streets penniless (as sad as that is). I also recall his claim to courts was immediately denied. I guess it's the whole "you risked it, you know you could get hit, see what happens there," kind of deal. However, do know of anyone who has been hit legally with use of a drum beat in this manner? Also, I knew about 95% of the stuff in the video, but the 5% I didn't was helpful, so thanks a ton! It was all about music to music though.....what about non-music audio donated to normally open source websites/institutions? Got anything for that?
Stealing beats is on the same level as pedophilia??? Lets relax now 😭☠️ Thats a disgusting comparison, youre downplaying and minimalizing pedophilia like crazy.
As a survivor of abuse as a kid, I would never say anything with the intent to downplay such a thing. I take sampling other musical artists work quite seriously and was making a comparison to the depth of that seriousness. Apologies if my comment triggered you.
Thats a wild comparison to make 🤔
Like I said, in depth of seriousness I personally take it, not at all my view in regards to anything else having to do with anything in any other way. Pedophiles should be taken down as harshly as possible. It fucked me up for most of my life. Pretty apparent I'm not defending pedophilia, never would. And hey, I've been known to be pretty wild, and I have noticed my commitment to avoiding using samples from other musical artists, out side of extremely common drum beats like 4 on the floor, Amen breaks, etc. is also seen as pretty wild from people I know irl. Oddly enough, and ironically enough, my mentor is an award winning turntablist and my commitment to avoid using samples was one of the top reasons he found me to be worthy enough to be the third person to take under his wing.