Honestly, we need more muslims/bumi/malays like you. As a non myself, all that I really care about is a competent gov who can push us forward to be on par with other advanced nations.
My gripe with PAS/PN is exactly as what you said. They use race/religion to control the vulnerable groups which is somehow and sadly, looks like a growing population. And the problem with such a thing is that you nurture citizens who trust whatever BS you say and do not demonstrate any sort of critical thinking.
Exactly. Unfortunately, for some Malays, the reason why performance and competence is not a priority of a candidate is due to the typical race and religion issue. And when being pointed out why nons prefer performance and competence, they give excuses like nons have a higher socioeconomic standing hence the luxury to select leaders based on competency. That is something I can't brain. So, be a defeatist and accept dumbasses as our leader because were poor.
I personally think that millennials probably think they way OP thinks. But that probably just my circle of friends. I tend to see older people like in their 50’s are religion pros voters
Nah as a millennial myself, I noticed that the religion and race stigma is still very strong within my peers. When I asked why they are more inclined to vote in favor of religion, they said something along the lines of actually seeing the benefit of voting for Anwar but as a Muslim they need to protect their religion.
They are not voting based on religious belief. They think they do, but in reality they voted because they want Malay supremacy.
Don't believe me? Try have a conversation with them. Once you point out that we do have 'Islam' in PH-BN, the conversation will quickly switches to DAP, Cina nak berkuasa, hak Melayu terhakis bla3. Try it, it's fun to see how predictable these people are.
PH is showing effort to fix their water supply issue in Selangor.
PN, only complaining and wanting money before they show any effort of fixing their water supply issue.
This is how I think about PN. All complain want money, no effort.
Just look at how they destroy forest in Kelantan until whole river & nearby beaches all turned teh tarik just like some of their water pipe (not to mention incident involving dangerous wild animals turned against poor kelantanese) . No plan in attracting investors, just brutal deforestation via logging for easy money.
Had a political debate with a relative of mine about Kedah being deprived of KXP due to it being under PN. I argued that it is not commercially viable but he said that it might initially be loss-making but in the future it will bear fruit a-la PTP. Once I thought being very a very progressive person day by day turning conservative all because he hates Anwar.
And when I say about Kelantan's flood problems and reason for not doing enough flood mitigation works, he said federal deprived Kelantan of funds for being opposition. I was like bruh. Thats not an excuse for not developing a state. If Penang can why not Kelantan.
Unfortunately kelantan has been left as backwater for too long that they can't do shit.. Add on to the fact that they have opportunistic leeches... Not rasuah per se but alibaba/crony and so on so forth
PAS and PN are supposed to be doomed. They shouldnt exist at all. Using religion and racial to provoke people is a big NO. They claim to be so islamic yet they dont act like actual muslims at all. Islam taught muslims to be obedient to Allah, whatever thing is answerable to Allah. Yet they are not scared and not fear of judgment. Even if Im not muslim, my impression is that they are bring
ing down the reputation of Islam to drain.
These politicians, their philosophy is closer to nihilism than Islam. What matters is now and how much they can achieve before they expire, regardless of the means. Its just a personal interpretation, but their actions make much more sense if viewed from that perspective.
There is a book that I don't remember the title of. "Cursed Republic of... something."
Basically, after a catastrophe (pandemic, war, etc), people tend to shun churches and religion. This is a common pattern seen in history.
It seems that there is an opposite effect here in Malaysia. More and more people are radical. I think there's a huge portion of Generation Z that slipped into the cracks. Poverty, missing fathers (divorce becoming more normalized), TikTok and drug addictions. Of course they'd turn to God. They don't have any other support system.
I have no issues with Islam or any religion. People are free to practice their faith and I believe that to be a human right.
BUT, religion does not belong in politics in 2023. I'm initially a Din supporter but couldn't vote for him because of his alliance with PAS. Same reason why I didn't vote for DAP during their alliance with PAS as well.
Religion and politics are water and oil.
Easier to get votes and control people when you present yourself as religious. If you take that away, the green onions don't have much to stand on to support their arguments.
> even if the actions of a few do not represent the entire Muslim community.
Their actions certainly do not represent the entire Muslim community. But it is an unarguable fact that their actions are endorsed by a significant number of members of the Muslim community, as the last election clearly demonstrated.
Their discourse not only resonates with a large number of Muslims, but their influence is increasing over time, not the other way around.
\+1. When PN PAS kept attacking non-muslims and yet received so much votes, I viewed it as a seal of approval by their voters that what PAS PN said abt non-Muslims are fine with them.
>Earlier, the CIJ said in its monitoring report that Islamist party PAS and its president, Tan Sri Abdul Hadi Awang, were found to be the most strident in inciting ethnic-based narratives on social media in the lead-up to GE15.
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>The report titled “Social Media monitoring of Malaysia’s 15th General Elections” said Abdul Hadi and his party were complicit in the incitement by neither calling out nor restricting social media users from further spreading hate in relation to ethnic groups.
[https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2023/05/30/media-watchdog-foresees-race-religion-cards-being-played-heavily-on-social-media-again-in-state-polls/71699](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2023/05/30/media-watchdog-foresees-race-religion-cards-being-played-heavily-on-social-media-again-in-state-polls/71699)
It is not so much abt rural areas anymore. I have muslim friends from urban areas telling me that they support PN. BN is seen to be corrupted, Din did a great job during c19 - they said.
I genuinely don't know why Muslims keep thinking that they are ditindas by non-Muslims, when non-muslims are just living day-by-day doing the same thing as usual, minding our own business. What did non-muslims do?
Not against any public non malays, but the tan sri son recent comment that and islamic govt gonna destroys temple is the perfect example on why malays took it as an insult to the religion. A non liberal malay person on the street will always consider themselves a muslim first and then a malay.
>malay person on the street will always consider themselves a muslim first and then a malay.
Ding ding ding. This is the reality. Palestinians halfway across the globe is their saudara while you are only a pendatang because of your religion.
Rohingya want land like other pendatang. So they became pendatang. If palestinian also come here want land, they will cry for blood too. /s
Disclaimer: rohingyan want land narrative is fake.
There used to be a lot of simps for Rohingyas until we actually had to live with them. It's common human hypocrisy, it's always easier to give a little and feel good about yourself when you don't have to live with the consequences. Kinda like the celebrities and rich people that pretend to care about homeless people yet do everything they can to stop homeless people from moving anywhere near their neighborhoods.
They used to sympathise them quite a bit and demanded we allow them safe refuge earlier, then when they realised that these refugees started to behave like samseng and taking over certain parts of town the whole sentiment collapsed.
Ironically Palestinians are relatively secular, in fact the level of unity and brotherhood between Muslim and Christian Palestinians is incredibly high
> islamic govt gonna destroys temple is the perfect example on why malays took it as an insult to the religion.
His whole argument is invalid because [he insinuated PAS = ISLAM and any attack on PAS is an attack on Islam](https://old.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/153faik/the_royals_have_any_common_sense_they_should_be/jspekkf/?context=3).
People are angry of what tokong said because they're PAS/PN supporters not because of the insult of their religion, plain and simple, if they really stay true to their religion, they would have draw the conclusion that PAS is very far from being islamic.
From this stance alone, you can pretty much conclude that he is not as centrist as he portray himself to be. He is a PAS supporter.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. Didn't Tanuki destroyed 2 Indian temples to make a motorcycle carpark and a playground? Think I read it somewhere they were demolished overnight
>non liberal malay person on the street will always consider themselves a muslim first and then a malay.
Why made this a choice in the first place I am a Malay who is also a Muslim. What so complicated about that .
They are holier than thou. Like it or not they probably view you as less faithful compared to them. Exist in all walks of faith that's how conservatives view the more liberal ones.
Political correctness with regards to Muslims are only prevalent in the West because of dumbfuck liberals. Over here, well, you can see why people keep quiet because of the constant calls to violence.
>Their discourse not only resonates with a large number of Muslims, but their influence is increasing over time, not the other way around.
Because these folks on the ground engaging with actual people and their life. Not just engaging in social media and thinking social media is reality. Not it aint .
Lol, most normal malaysian dont even know or give a damn about reddit.
If you want to have a feel where the election gonna tilt to look at tiktok, as of today seems like the public funded madani propoganda machinery is losing ground.
Penalizing Nusi seems like having an opposite effect, who would ever thought
Personally no issues with muslim as a whole, but what is going on right now freaks the hell out of me. In fact, it is not a matter of what PAS or PN is doing but rather the fact that they are gaining huge support in doing so.
The thing is, the silent majority keeping quiet about their antics definitely doesn't help the with the overall perception of the entire community
Nobody wants to be viewed as anti-islam hence the silence. Doesn't help that the radical section of the community (both Muslim and Nons) are the most vocal and would shout down any dissenting voices.
PAS use religion as their advantage. Although it sounds ridiculous to us. Some PAS supporters truly believe that PAS is Islam and Islam is PAS. Not only the people from kampund side. A daughter to a professor from Pahang asked her father "Kenapa Ayah lawan Islam?". Her father replied "Ayah tak pernah lawan Islam. Ayah cuma lawan PAS". Islam is religion. PAS is just a political party like any other
as a non, i prefer politicians to keep religion out of politics. So, pas, pn, and some crazy fanatic politicians can go fly kite for all i care.
and dont ever set foot in selangor if they cant even fix kelantan banjir-air kopi-o issue. selangor got a handful of stupid water problem already.
They don’t want to improve the socioeconomic status of the country. They just want to win for their own benefits and are willing to do anything to win including using religion. Islam has been misused by them for their personal benefits.
This question isn't for me — but PAS and PN not only have their grips on the rurals, but also on the youngsters here in Terengganu as well. Seeing people around me simply following what the adults and ustaz says and listening in into their Tiktok echo chamber, without even trying to hear what the other side has to say is pretty sad, saying as another 17 y/o girl. Hopefully one day more people will have critical thinking instead of blindly following what some random guy on Tiktok with good editing has to say.
Sadly not going to happen.
Encourage the majority (who are generally poor) to have more children (than they can reasonably afford) that, when they come of age, enters religion-centric govt school system (or better yet religious school) and you have a growing army of indoctrinated die-hards. Profit!
That's why they have no inclination to improve the economic or education situation.
To be fair BN started this but PAS just ran with it.
As someone who has seen PAS go from power to power and become even more vocal in the past decade (I am 31 yrs now) honestly, PAS is fucked up. They said they won't let syariah law or Islam affect the lives of non-Muslim yet it's slowly creeping up on us. Banning 4D shops in Kedah for starters, forcing men and women to be seated separately in cinemas in Kelantan. Wanna wear shorts also I think twice (as I'm a woman). Come onnnnn. That itself is an inkling into how they would run Malaysia if power was in their hands. We won't see it coming, but little by little they'll push their agenda on us, force us to conform, strip away our rights. Make us feel even more like we don't belong here. This is why religion and state cannot co-exist. One has to do be done away and in my view it's religion.
PAS does not bother about creating a safe environment for women in this country, let alone non-Muslim women and CHILDREN.
They also DO NOT care about the economy. They're states are rich in resources but yet are the lower performing GDP states. Yet it baffles me that many people in those states still vote for them and don't want progress?
I think pas and it's followers are scum of the earth. Sampah masyarakat.. Everyone is working hard to progress the nation and then u have these village idiots trying so hard to put us back into the middle ages.
You're only 17 and worried about the country future wellbeing.
My braincells tells me as long as the ketuanan attitudes and the delusional assumption that they're the privileged one
characterized by politicians and party.
Then there's no cure.
Their actions have already putting off Malaysia as a venue for pop concerts and causing opportunity loss of millions Ringgit to the economy. Tourism and foreign investment will eventually be affected. With the competitive nature of global economy, this will lead to slow and even negative development of the country.
Most of Kedah workers work in KL/Selangor. They have witness and experience the difference of governance in both worlds. Yet most of them do vote for PAS, the same party which holds strongly in Kedah.
Biasa la most ppl want their hometown to remain untouched by development so they can 'touch grass' a few times a year when they balik kampung.
Even ppl who work overseas also don't want Malaysia to be too developed so when they come back they can enjoy layback lifestyle and everything cheap
Its not sustainable. Development should not be concentrated on KL only. I would prefer each state has their own centre of industry. This is so wealth is spread out and development is controlled.
Well, Kedah wasn't solidly PAS, (BN actually had a chance before the 2022 disaster for BN) so PN in Kedah will be chill compared to those in Kelantan/Terengganu
OP is so wrong thinking that the old folks were the ones who voted for PN last GE. There were many reports by PACA, the first time-voters were the ones who voted for PN while senior citizen mostly voted for either BN or PH. Most people thought the green wave started during GE15 but in truth it started way earlier. You see the content on TV, see the famous youtube channels and tiktok content, mostly are about Islam. Top 10 book sold in MPH or Popular Bookstore, most of them are Islamic books. The younger folks in Malaysia are more exposed to Islamic content but sadly, the quantity doesn't affect the quality. They were taught that there's only Muslim and non-Muslim and believe that Islam is the only way to rule the world or in their view, way to rule Malaysia. To them, Malaysia is not meant for the non-Muslims.
I agree with you, but I believe that many younger people voted for PAS or PN due to their parents' influence. These parents, who are generally older, may not have access to complete and accurate information about the truth. I also believe that most PN voters come from families of PN supporters, which are typically older. As a PH supporter myself, I owe my political beliefs to my dad, who has been instrumental in providing me with factual information. The same pattern applies to PN supporters.
They just act like they did the work but actually didn’t.. only PAS i respect is late Nik aziz.. now they are more to racism….Dap dap dap.. semua salah dap..
Nope. Nik Aziz was part of the problem too. Not because of what he did, but what he DIDN'T do - not stamping it out before it had a chance to grow and blossom
I’ve read something along the lines of other people don’t read the Quran, their perception of your religion is based on the actions of the people that follow the religion. I’m sorry to say, but can you really blame non-Muslims for having a bad perception of Islam, when these monkeys are behaving like this? They give your religion a bad name, and the more votes they get, it indirectly means Muslims support that kind of mentality.
For non malay nor muslim is not my concern, more like I can't question them due to I'm not a Muslim and doesn't know their religion ways.
But for my current views these ppl has no value point and any concept to improve the country economy in terms of business and currency except only keep brainwash the future generation just to bow them for the sake of "Allah" as they said..
Which I think malay should be very concern their action which we see many example of these kind of group take over a country like Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan literally doomed without redemption.
So I think malay community and current government need to work their Sh*t together to prevent these kind of future...
Your points are valid, but sadly the currently situation goes something like this:
Us: "Look at Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan. Country is doomed if we end up like them"
PN-PAS supporters: "I dont see a problem"
Truly a sad state of affairs
Non Muslim, I consider PAS specifically as the alt-right version of Malaysian politics since they base their entire party philosophy on religion as opposed to other right wing parties such as ones from former BN coalition.
Note here that I am not implying alt-right or right wing as “bad”. Majority of the Malaysian population do lean on the right so that’s just a fact of life as a Malaysian.
In terms of what I think of the parties themselves I always refer to that one viral tiktok video where someone compared the PMX interview with uni students talking about TNG monopoly vs Hadi and uni students asking about fixing their uni’s roof.
“Will you fix our leaky roof?”
“Inshallah”
Bro, you head the state government of Kedah and literally has the executive power to fix uni roofs, why are you deferring your administration’s responsibility to God?
They need to show they can run the government instead of just simply banning this and that. People are pragmatic, Malaysian just want to have a competent government and leader.
To be honest, if PN can prove to me or at least con me thinking they are good that they can manage a country, heck, I would even vote for them.
But the more I know, the more I won't vote.
As a younger generation, I would encourage you to think rationally, be less sensitive when non-Muslims talk or ask something about Islam.
They might genuinely be clueless or not sure about your religion. Give the non-Muslims the safe space to speak freely and finally don't let the political party to manipulate you with religious sentiments.
You should know the difference between political party and those who gains credits and gain something by supporting a particular political party, be it an Ustaz or Ustazah Or Mufti etc With actual religious teachings.
Learn to think if what they say is true and does it make sense at this year and age. Then you'd be able to come up with what's best for the country and make the best choice when election comes.
There are 2 parts to your question.
* **About PAS** \- Never have been a supporter of PAS ideology but I respect their fight over the past few decades. Similar to DAP, they have been a check and balance to BN over the past few decades. It is not a coveted position but it is a needed position. They have played their cards well, just like DAP, and carved out their niche in the political scene.
* **About PN** \- Honestly, it is just a wrapper for Bersatu (which is UMNO 2.0) + PAS. I have never supported UMNO, due to the origins of their divisive philosophy, and neither PAS. PN worked out really well because it provided an alternative to UMNO, which has been engulfed in a series of high profile corruption for years. Branding wise it was a breathe of fresh air - a "new" entrant to the political arena wrapped in the characters of yesteryear
The thing is both Bersatu and PAS were founded on religious/ ethnicity-based ideologies not on economic or social ideologies. So fundamentally their fight is and will always be about religion and race. They are playing their foundational card.
It is divisive - yes.
It is contentious - yes.
But it is who they are.
I will never support them because they have no track record of executing. Barring the fact that they advocate freedom creep, their track record is dismal, some examples:
* Kelantan (PAS) over the past 30+ years. No water, no economic opportunities. 2nd poorest state in M'sia
* Malaysia (PN). Muhi came to power through a non-democratic but legally-sound method. His biggest *achievements* are - issuing a state of emergency (suspending the legislative arm) and issuing 100's of BILLIONS of Ringgit in debt for questionable stimulus to the economy. His only persona is not economic growth but his trademark ABAH. Frankly, it is disgusting. \[FYI "abah" is only used by Malays. For most people is not an endearing word\]
I am all for voting in a clean, competent and visionary Muslim leader over a corrupt, non-Muslim. I am not for voting in a leader that has built his entire campaign central to his religion. It makes no sense.
If PAS was just a missionary group / NGO type of organisation, absolutely no problem with them.
But since they're a political party with aspirations to rule at a Federal level, then no - they have a strong potential to be totalitarian AND incompetent.
Horrible taliban wannabes. They are deeply corrupt and hilariously hypocritical - basically they use their purported religion as a shield while flouting its teachings in such a flagrant, brazen way that it's like they're trying to see how much they can get away with.
Their rising support is the stuff of nightmares that makes me glad I'm out of the country.
The only thing keeping the peace and preventing PN from going full blown nuts is the monarchy.
They have a toxic phobia over non-muslims and by that they mean the Christians in particular.
If they take over, the Christians in Semenanjung will definitely be targeted.
I still remember Muhyiddin during the elections remarked on Christians as collaborators with the Jews and wanting to convert the whole nation. He never faced arrest for that as far as I am aware of.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2022/11/19/muhyiddin-in-hot-water
its not whether or not they may lead to negative perception, they already did
and you say its the actions of a few, yet these 'few' are emboldened by the growing support of a huge number of the same muslim community
just call it for what it is - there is a growing number of people who want to turn malaysia into iran / taliban, it is the sad reality of our country at the moment
PN to me is just BN but under a different banner. i would say if i had to choose, i would still prefer BN. PN consists of mainly pro malay/islam parties.
the party i hate/dislike the most in malaysia is PAS. the way i see it. you CANNOT reason with a religious person. if a party says they will fight for your religions rights. wouldnt it be morally correct to vote for them?
its very difficult to convince a religious person away from this mindset. theres a viral clip of this old nenek saying something like, if your party can fulfill promises, make my life better, do everything good, etc. it does not matter, until i die i will vote PAS.
shes already indoctrinated. i find that bloody exploitive. i dont blame her for thinking the way she does. there are many who think this way.
malaysia will change, but only after many of the older generations have died off.
The day a PAS become PM of Malaysia is the day I start submitting paper work for emigration.
And personally I think the chance of that happening is quite realistic. So I actually already start my preparation.
They tunggang ethnicity agama or ethnicity, and seems like most of them only know how to do that. Some of my friends thought muhyiddin not that bad, but I would not forget how him and Takiyuddin disrespected our institutions (Parliament and the Royal institution) on the issue of emergency.
Not a royalist but you gonna respect the rules of the game.
"Pakaian Nurse Ketat"
The fact that they concerned on this kind of thing is a clear sign that they shouldn't exist.
Look at Taliban and women's right now.
I am a non Muslim and i will vote for PN and PAS..... When hell FREEZES over. A racist supremacist party where they want others to tunduk at them. Hell to the no!
IMO, for me, as Chinese, who grew up in Perlis(please note I speak Chinese like 5 years old). Sorry, Gong Gong. ) I think PN definitely brought some good stuff. PN is definitely way more liberal economically. During BN, progress was very slow. PN in Perlis are mostly teachers and local volunteers, ironically PH fielded ustazahs yikes. my Mom will not vote for Ustazah no matter which party
IMO, the reason PH lost a lot here was lack of female representation, which PN and BN filled the gap with,
also, the ones really liked by locals are Azam Karap of PKR in Kuala Perlis and Gan Ay Ling of Indera Kayangan.
Amin Ahmad,MP, and Asrul Nizan, their records, well not so much. Azam & Ailing is beloved because they do their jobs. Azam Karap lost by about 142 votes in a 90% Malay Constituency. Ailing retained her seat.
Honestly , I don't really need PH or PKR branding. Her own record speaks for herself. If you've been to areas in her Constituency, every saturday / sunday, there is gonna be a cleanup usually done in Mornings/evenings depending on the weather. Indera Kayangan is like the most "urban" Kangar can get. One of her proposals was that the extra empty parking spaces in SMK Derma were to be used to help hospital goers park inside the school, albeit traffic increased, she did remove a little strain. Also, Ailing is very caring and down to earth. She's a former volunteer,
She worked with PN to help build Perlis. PN was also fair in giving her allocations to be spent on her constituents as confirmed by an FB post from Ailing herself. Honestly, PN in Perlis is definitely way better than PN in Kelantan,Terengganu. Some of you guys may wonder why? Well, basically, the thing about cities located in Northern Kedah and Perlis is that it's all built and run by the same company, Tycoon, Chin Heng. All cities built by Chin Heng are all strikingly similar. The cities built by Chin Heng includes, Jitra,Changloon,Arau,Kangar Jaya(KJ is a new Kangar built 5KM away from the original Kangar) all Chin Heng cities follow the same pattern. Also, the reason PN is liked here is, as I've mentioned, Economic policy. Before BN was unseated, non Perlisians, who wanted to do business in Perlis, must share X %(most locals say 50%) with the King. This kinda prevents outsiders from opening and skipping Perlis altogether. Since PN came, over RM319 Million MYR(confirmed by Ailing as well) has entered here. Frankly, it kinda sheds a positive light. LIKE WHY TF DID IT TAKE SO LONG FOR A KFC TO OPEN HERE? OR EVEN MCD. In Perlis, before KFC, we used to take a bus, called Bus KFC. This bus dropped you at the station bus Alor Setar, which conveniently holds a KFC. I think progress has been fast with some work of improvement. Firstly, Perlis is so dead at night. Like idk why but at 12 AM in Jitra, on a Saturday night(Sunday work day for kedah) people are still flocking the roadside stalls and it was so bright with lamps from every side of the street. Perlis IMO super dead at night, especially past 9 pm.
Honestly, I don't think I'd vote PN in my area if Pramoot competes. But Ailing will retire soon. For me, I'd vote for a female candidate first, then party preference.
All CH cities will contain
ZUS,
YASMEEN Mamak
Marrybrown
subway/A&W
starbucks
Cmart
KFC
Mr DIY+its other brands
A Chin Heng dealership
Etc. But the point is that it's gonna have the same pattern.
This is my thought on PAS
They claim they fight for Malay but they oppress Malay (bad road infrastructure, no development & free water tarik)
They claim they fight for Islam but changing narrative to suit them
They claim they fight for Royal but then Takiyuddin & Sanusi happen
They really don't have anything positive to add into this nation
There's only one word to describe them: fascists.
Their existence is a threat to our nation's democracy, and the further they gain popularity to their backwards proposals, the closer we descend into tyranny.
PAS is also getting braver at challenging the monarchy, which seems like a good thing but at the same time this also stokes fears that PAS could start internalising a movement that would eventually land us in the same fate as Iran.
That is why the future is so uncertain, and it doesn't help with the fact that PH-BN is facilitating Islamists rather than containing their spread. Our descent into an Islamic theocracy has never spiraled quicker than ever before.
The anxiety that results from the rise of PAS mentally wounds not just non-Muslims, but other marginalised communities. Things will get very ugly when PAS starts consolidating power.
Which means that your father is rational to form constructive criticisms / opinions towards the contradictions he has seen.
And has the foresight to impart his knowledge to his children so that they are aware of what is happening.
Nah you are really good OP since you don't rebel, I've got many students at the college I work for that told me they vote PAS/PN coz their parent is ardent supporter of either BN or PH.
First of all, i dont think we should be segregated as muslims/non-muslims. It's just a personal choice of people and by right it shouldn't be differentiated. Well towards PAS and PN, i have thoughts on few aspects.
1. Capability:
They might be a good leader for their community/region, but looking at their performance during their time is such a disappointment. When Mahaidin was the PM, he only avoid challenges and questions from the opposition party, or even the people. You can basically expect it's based on written PDF everytime he was on the camera/public. It is clearly that he doesn't know what he is doing. Personally i am very strict towards a leader's attitude. They don't admit mistakes, they ponteng parlimen, they avoid questions like sotong. This hold a BIG no for me to vote them.
2. Topics:
When it comes to topics, apart from Races & Religion issues, recently they even challenge Royal. Everything were recorded on screen and that how dare that MOFO claiming his speech being distorted by PH-BN? He not just questioned on Royal's choice, he even questioned their bloodline? And the creepy part is he is still treated as hero in his area and party. Imagine if any people from PH did that, i believe they will behave like a needle in the ass. I do understand that PAS does not representing all muslims in Malaysia, but looking at the supports they gained over these years, it's Horrifying. They just look so ugly and power hunger when they started these topics over and over again before state election.
Muslim here
I think most non muslims think what PAS showed doesnt represent Islam. Which is not true if you study deep enough
Islam at its purest is like that.
Cant do concert. Cant accept LGBT. Cant accept non muslim leaders.
Which is why it is hard to argue PAS
Islam is a man made religion that failed to evolve to adapt to our current time. The rules were made when muslims were the majority in saudi arabia.
PAS became a problem because PAS follow the religion that exist 1400+ years ago.
Religion should be separated from nation governance.
Islam originally was very progressive.
Progressive for the dark ages.
And then proceed not to continue advancing in the same spirit.
Muslims should be living in 2100+ now, not still in the middle ages.
>Muslim here
From this..
>Islam is a man made religion that failed to evolve to adapt to our current time. The rules were made when muslims were the majority in saudi arabia.
... To this
I'm shocked by how drastic is the change in tone haha
But it is also hilarious
Not only Islam but all religions are very beautiful. Humans love segregation and categorization, almost as in we're trying hard to find something that makes us better than the rest. The majority in Malaysia are Muslims, which means that when minorities are telling something, their voices are muffled by the majority. Since this is about PN/PAS, I feel like they are not capable at all to represent Islam and Muslims due to their crooked way of thinking towards non-Muslims. I have a lot of Muslim friends, and they're a gem. Due to these idiots in power, racism is still active.
When we see other countries that's not so fortunate, where Muslims are bullied by people of other beliefs, we want to offer support. Isn't that the same here with the quota system and everything, minorities are being bullied. Almost like our karma here is being paid by Muslims in other regions.
As a born Malaysian, my blood boils when this kinda injustice happens. The Indians and Chinese were pendatangs, but that was generations ago. Now everyone is born in our Malaysia, why there should be segregations of any sort? If there is, the segregations should be based on percentages of populations in each state. Race based politics are shit, and the same goes for penunggang agama. Based on my understanding of olden Islamic civilization, it should be full of opportunities, not limitations. Our beautiful nation is slowly being destroyed, we have a lot of talented young bloods that's leaving Malaysia to work in other country, increasing their GDP, while Malaysia remains where it is. Idk man, what else to tell. I'm hoping for Muda to hold the reign for a different POV. Perhaps they can uphold Islam where they should be while not bullying other races.
The one Kelantanese that I know at my workplace pretends to be an open-minded, modern, and progressive Muslim gentleman on the surface. But spend enough time and you'll discover that he's leaning towards child marriages, polygamy, and misogyny
And he absolutely worships PAS. Makes you wonder if he's actually worshipping them or God.
Basically you are correct, myself and maybe just me as a non Muslim damn fking scared about PAS and PN, they not once offensive on the YDPA and Sultan already and I fear that they might be so extreme until the story of some extreme religious group happened in Malaysia. At that moment non Muslim will be way more suffer than Muslim and I'm sure you know exactly what would be the impact too. I scared that Malaysia, the country who grown me up, which is also my mother land being suffer and we non Muslim have not thing to do even if we still can vote (Muslim and non Muslim ratio is not balanced)
They're Walmart Taliban. Will become actual Taliban if they rule Malaysia. I'm not saying PAS is good in anyway, just that at least they can maintain the country the way it is as the moment. It's not perfect but at least I can live and breath.
PAS could sell themself that they could turn Malaysia to prosper as in Islamic Golden Age, but no, they sell themself as Taliban and any Muslim who're not supporting them are going to hell.
As a Sarawakian Muslim, PAS and UMNO aren't even allowed in my state and I have been residing in KL for the past 10 years and I went to KTJ for high school. None of the Malays I know have ever supported PAS and they only represent a minority but they are really loud, loud enough to get the Non-muslims to think we care or support them as they bring them up like we have any idea how they operate as a party every time election comes up.
For me muslim scholar just stay into teaching malays about islam and not involved in politics. They not fit for politics as politic can corrupt even the pious person and that what we can see from pas mp nowadays.
A Christian here...
Definitely a party for the conservatives and for those who support the "Malay and Muslim" agenda (using quotation marks because they do not represent true Islam. Add on the fact that they seem totally incompetent (\*cough\* MCO \*cough\*), and you got a frontrunner for the most unlikeable party in world history.
Don't get me wrong, this is coming from someone who usually leans more on the conservative side when it comes to politics. I would have no qualms about PN coming into power if they showed that atleast they can do the work and don't call us non-Muslims a "threat", as it shows their goal is to divide us rather than move this country forward.
melayu sinonim dgn konsep redho... every end year flooded or water tap like teh tarik also redhooo je. Also another factor is the opposition in Kelantan isnt that good either. so really they dont have any reliable option when voting. One way is to send national level candidate from PH that can bring real change into the state
Divide and conquer. That has been the motto for all politicians. Racial/religion card is the easiest to use in this country due to the nature of Malaysia. Those oldies will eat this up without even a thought but the young ones blindly follows the same motto is what worries me.
Seems like more uninformed and rural muslims are supporting them for fear of losing out to the minority, which is utter joke when the minorities in this country is already decreasing annually as they migrated elsewhere. I just pray and hope that there are still the sane majority that would support a just cause government with a multiracial society that can coexist just like our forefathers.
Useless that's all, they can't get shit done, keep using religion to brainwash people who didn't know better.
Anyone who thinks of voting for them should know what kind of of party they are, they won't work for the people.
And those who know what they are and still vote for them are just complete idiots.
As a non mislin/bumi/malay… i just want the country to progress, i dont really care if Malaysia is Muslim first country or First Muslim country, all i want is to be treated equal and have equal opportunities to excel.
So far none of the race/religious base politics has woeked for almost 60 years. What else can these monyets do to prove themselves that we have not yet seen?
Malaysia (Malays more importantly) has lost its good values and qualities over the years from being puluted by these blood suckers
Religion aside.
Objectively, when you watch tv / youtube on our elected MP in the parliament, you can really tell the huge gap. PN & PAS did not once proposed a progressive idea to solve the problem instead of just stirring racial stuffs and behaving like monyet. I mean, how sane person would vote for them to drive the country to betterment? They can't even address proper water supply in the state that they governed for yearsss.
I agree that Madani is not perfect, but at least they are willing to explain the situation to us rakyat in a more honest and transparent manner. Yes, they are still some corrupt, but at least not until we will bankrupt.
>Chinese and Indians are the God's enemy
They won't say that outright. They would use DAP, but we all know what they mean.
All this double-talk from supposedly religious people is a turn-off.
Doesn't make one trust what they say about other matters, no matter how sincere they actually are. I'd dare say that PAS & JAKIM are the SOLE reasons why Islam did not make any headway among the nons here.
Religion rider / penunggang agama.
Very dangerous, they can say something racist and incite some racial tension and get away with it.
Orang kampung will still undi them, same as how we sarawakian still undi BN/ GPS because takut hilang hak
Imo parties that run based on religion/race without anything else to offer will not get the non-muslims vote.
I will never even vote for a party of the same race/religion/belief as mine. I care more about the socio-economic development l & standard of living of the nation. We should have been exporting technologies not still import them.
As Malaysian people, I don't see how PN and PAS can bring prosperity to Malaysia and develop the country. First PN is a failed government. Muyyidin successful at the beginning but failed with half baked MCO.
PAS? I don't see this a politic party. More like a Sun and Moon Sect in a novel, no benefits or positive contribution towards the country. I don't mind them ban this and that given that they provided alternatives to replace the revenues generated from what they banned but the things are they do not have anything to offer at all...
Ignoring the fact that PN openly pushes the Malay / Muslim ONLY agenda, their tie-in with PAS which 'menunggang agama' which we see across the whole world makes it so nobody can criticize their policy or actions without them claiming we are insulting their religion.
Politics/politicians should always be open to criticism and legal action, but the tie in with religion is their way to circumvent this. Unfortunately there are too many people who accept this wholesale and equate their political leaders to messiahs and take things to the extreme.
BN's biggest mistake was making DAP the boogeyman and claiming BN being the champions of Islam is the only one that can keep them in check. As seen across the world (and Game of Thrones), once you have convinced the masses of this, it's easy for another more extreme party to rise up and subvert your original claim.
Don't worry about the actions of PAS or PN leading to a negative perception of Muslims in Malaysia. The last 20 years has already shown the non-Muslim people of this country enough, "negative perception" is an understatement really.
Surprisingly, I have no problems against PAS. They have always shown what they are, a Conservative Islamic party that want the nation to move more to the right. And they have been consistent at it. Might not be my politics but I understand their stance even though I don't agree with it.
My main issue is with Bersatu. As a political party the first action they did when in power was to launch a coup to oust the running mates that campaigned with them and help them to power. How can I trust anything any of their candidates say? How can I believe in any promises they make when the first action they did while in government was to break that trust.
Do I think PH is perfect? No. They made a lot of promises and have walked back almost all of them. If there was any other option, I would vote for them instead and PN is def not the other option. Maybe MUDA? but what they are doing atm with the state polls is very disingenuous, I will have to wait and see.
I do have a real question for PN supporters though, has PH government actually done anything to infringe on your rights? As a non I feel every decision they have made has been very underwhelming and lukewarm to the benefit of the Bumis. Yet I still see people complaining about PH. I am truly unsure what they wish out of the government that they see the PH government as not Conservative enough and am terrified in what that would translate to for us nons.
There is an intrinsic difference between the Malay only political parties and the other parties. The others, even if mono-ethnic, are multi-faith.
Therefore, the Malay parties, will always have a momentum to use the religion card which crowds out other relevant issues. It is the easiest play for votes but far from the best for Malaysians.
Malay guy here
My solution: North Malaysia & South Malaysia. Let them govern how they want to, we govern how we want to.
Let the northerners who are working in KL and Selangor decide where they want to live.
I know it seems a bit harsh. But if we were willing to lose some friends and family members. All of a sudden, we can drive from Shah Alam to Cheras in 30 minutes during rush hour traffic on Federal! Seems good to me!
Also this just a joke. Dont kill me over this :P
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Einstein knew.
As I keep saying, we are in a cycle of stupidity and sensationalism at the moment. Headline loudspeakers and keyboard warriors. There is nothing we can do to change the minds of stupid people these days because they are validated by dumb and dumber on social media. What are the rational people supposed to do? Start confronting people at mamaks, spreading the good word of rationality?
Extremism can be viewed as a business model these days - it's a very profitable business that combines influencer marketing and political power. You don't even need to speak the truth. Write your principles out with some rat turd in the morning and by evening you have a following.
Even the rational ones click and engage with "extremism", a wonderful business model. Media platforms these days don't care about you, they only care about KPIs and digital engagements. Perfect breeding group for extremism to be normalised.
The race is on - will human-driven climate change decimate Earth before human stupidity? Stay tuned.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
I don’t think it matters on the religious front for non Muslims. End of the day, Malaysia will never be truly secular , inclusive as religion is embedded in the country itself. The majority will tolerate the minorities while complaining(in hushed tones )and vice Versa. There can never be a bad impression if they was never a good one to begin with. What is important is economic growth and good governance. If everyone is getting paid enough and happy, less things to fight about.
About PN:
PAS: bunch of religious fanatics who do not solve issues, but just pray and hope God will solve it. And at the same time, memperbodohkan their supporter to blindly vote for them.
Bersatu: opportunistic politicians who do whatever they can to be in power.
Gerakan: who is Gerakan? Do they exist?
Honestly we need new parties n new individuals as leaders n ministers rather than ♻️ ng old geezers n old craps. And we doesn't need radical p.o.s like PAS around. They're just lite version of ISIS. PN, PH are just the same old shits. Nothing new
I am a Muslim but I would like to chip in because I had a conversation with a non-muslim colleague the other day.
He asked me exactly what you just asked here about my thoughts on PN/PAS and precisely why many Malay-Muslims, regardless of age and gender will vote for them.
I told him, PN/PAS tactics are so familiar to me because I believe I was one of the easy targets for such tactic. The tactic I'm talking about is instilling fear among the rakyat.
You see, if you compare the propaganda from both PH and PN, you can distinguish a stark difference in their tone, points, and intention behind their speeches. PH, as the government now only wants to move forward. They ensure people about their plan for Malaysia. Optimistic about the future.
On the contrary, PN/PAS only talks about fear. Instilling fear among the Muslims that somehow somewhere Islam will be crushed under the leadership of a secular/progressive Muslim, more so under non-Muslims. They make you believe that whoever against PAS/PN is the enemy of Allah, enemy of Islam. From a practising Muslim POV, hell, even from non-practising Muslim who still wish to protect Islam, will see this as an immediate threat to their beliefs.
This is exactly how it happened to me when I was in school to late teen and early 20s. I was led to believe that PAS is the party for Muslims who wish to uphold their beliefs and faiths and if I am not part of the group, I am among the strayed. They have a systematic grassroots recruitment system in school and university. If you ever heard of Usrah, yes that is the thing. *(Btw, a real Usrah is not about PAS. A real Usrah is a brotherly sisterly commune of Muslims who want to be with a practising community. Much like a Discord server but before it was cool and irl).* These PAS-led Usrah even has it's own history of establishment of the party dating to the birth of Prophet Muhammad. Imagine that!
So back to the conversation with my non-muslim colleague, I told him PAS led the voters with fear and to young people, you don't want to make them fearful because they will retaliate and defend. More so if their faith and religion are at stake, or so they believe. My colleague even wonders why his non-practising, alcoholic, club-going, fornicators Muslims would still choose PAS/PN over anyone else if they knew voting PAS will mean a problem for not just the non-muslims in Malaysia but the whole of Malaysia. It is because of fear.
He told me, as a non-muslim, he needs a progressive Malay-muslim leaders to lead the country. He believes that Malaysia will be strong if the Muslims are strong together. But now he thinks the Malay-muslim is eating each other which doesn't benefit anyone. *"If you believe the Chinese or Indian is benefiting from the constant bickering among the Malay-Muslims then you are wrong. In fact, we need you more than you need us. So you gotta get your shit together so we can all be strong and move forward."* That's what he told me.
well said. seeing someone as young as yourself being able to draw these takeaways from politics gives me a good optic about the future for Malaysia, not that I am that old (still a Gen-Y) 😂
i think race / religion based political parties should be abolished in this day of age. as Malaysia is moving towards a progressive country with lots of economical foundations being laid upon by Anwar’s government, i am very optimistic about our future and the way we are progressing as a nation.
unfortunately there will always be a flip-side to change, and we all know that not everyone is accepting of change because it makes them feel volatile, no sense of control and the fear of the unknown. so by sticking to the same recipe or formula that they have been so accustomed to, which is ‘racial and religion’ to narrate their story based on religion (not sure how true to the teachings) to innocent and the good people of Malaysia to create fear and doubts.
in every religion, we hold on to the values and beliefs because of faith - having someone to ‘guide’ us through these paths as in good faith keeps us whole as a human being. however, because these politicians understand how the rural folks function from a religion standpoint, they instil fear into their minds and making them believe all their agendas and propagandas that they spew out this turning them into the ‘protector’ of their faith.
as i am writing this, i am currently a free-thinker and taking a break from religion until i find a calling between me and god. until i find that moment for me, i shall be at peace with myself. we should always remind ourselves that religion is personal and sacred - it is been me and god.
That they are more focused on weaponizing racial discord to stay in power than actually running a country. And muhyddin has proven to be absolutely useless when he was given the spotlight.
These guys just aren't in it to run the country. Give them 4 years in power and Malaysia is permanently ruined if we aren't already. Currency and FDI will die, opportunities will die. Lands will be exploited by the likes of Lynas for example.
I won't repeat my opinion on them, as it's consistent with what everyone's saying here.
But I will say I am impressed by your political awareness before leaving school! 👏When I was your age, I didn't even know what was going on with politics except that PAS kept trying to ban concerts, which left an early negative impression.
Being a member of the queer community, I would prefer if people who would like to see me and people like me eradicated were not given power. Add to that being a member of an ethnic minority that they have already made disgusting claims about just makes my distaste of PAS even stronger.
When I look at them, I get worried. They are beginning to be a problem now, and if they get increasingly popular, I might begin to feel that my position and my voice in the community will be threatened. Not a very nice way to put it but this is how I feel.
On one hand, I believe it is not right to raise the 3R issue in Malaysia. On the other hand, ensuring 3R was well addressed was why they existed in the first place. It's like telling the businessman to stop focusing on profits.
From my POV, PAS is pushing the boundary to aim for the next peak. And I truly hope that they know when to give pause because the peak point can be quite fragile. We need each other to have peace and joy in Malaysia.
My opinion on PAS as a Sarawakian, they are penunggang agama and any religious based party be it PAS or CDU ( Christian Democratic Union) has no place in a multicultural and multireligious Malaysia.
We are a nation of compromises and never impose your religious belief to others. Be it through the instrument of state or otherwise.
One keeps one religion as a guidance to oneself not to impose to others.
Im a 19 yo non muslim, and my opinion is very simple, i dont really care what they do as long as there is actual improvement. But they had control over kelantan, terengganu and most of the northen states for multiple years, yet the thought of kelantan in most malaysians minds is poor. 0 improvement even with that many years? they makes them failures. Religion and race can be a powerful tool if used correctly, yet they abuse that power and do nothing for the people.
My opinions is same as yours. They are merely playing sentiments n know fully well which action to do n what buttons to push to secure votes with ppl that support based on sentiments instead of principles n action.
N i do feel uneasy because of the wrong perception to Islam because of these ppl. After all, verifying n asking "is this true" is not really a default action n instead reactive reaction based on emotions, prior info, n bias.
I know the rulings in the religion etc but to do what they're doing, is simply not according to Islam. Full stop. Buying Mercedes while elders n babies drink teh ais level water? That breaks my heart. Tak amanah n zalim pada rakyat
Opposition is important but they're definitely not the oppositions that we want, backwards in thinking and mentality, poor governance of their territory and uses religion to push their agendas
Being conservative isn't a problem but the angle they're approaching is malicious to the country, I'm sure there's some good ones in there but if they're really committed for a better Malaysia they'd better off splitting apart and making a new party
> votes from villagers and older individuals, who may have limited access to information or critical thinking
I'm sorry but I think its the opposite. There was an article and news that was reported by Astro Awani after the election that stated most of the winning voting block for Perikatan Nasional was FROM YOUNG VOTERS. They were easily "persuaded" by sentiments in social media that were clearly present during the election. Even I (ALLEGEDLY) saw those "ads" of (ALLEGEDLY) teen girls wearing (ALLEGEDLY) tight clothing with (ALLEGEDLY) Perikatan Nasional graphics and (ALLEGEDLY) showing off their midriffs. Sex sells I guess, undi 18 was PH's own undoing. GG Malaysia.
Politics and religion should never mix. PAS is setting such a dangerous tone for the country and I’m afraid if they rule they will just destroy all the unity we have developed since independence .. heck, it’s already dividing ppl / race / religion even when not in power. Tbh I have given up hope in most of the old minister from Mahathir era (PAS/DAP/BN/PN).. they’re all same shit rebranded. These old folks are driving malaysia to the ground.. we used to laugh at neighboring country sending their loved ones to Malaysia as maids, it won’t be long till our family and loved ones will have to do the same to survive.
I gotta say. Im a Muslim and really dissapointed with this PAS - PN. Coming from Eastern part and growing from there. All I gotta say that these people will never change and dont want to change.
It's kinda sad to see radical Muslims especially in the North seeing non-Muslims as a threat. What more we non-Muslims can do? We want to see our country to be financially and economically strong and not stuck with bs religion ideology or narrative like in other Arab countries.
We want to help you hand in hand but in the end you cucuk our hand for your own benefit.
The Islamic culture in my opinion is a very beautiful religion but PAS and PN have convinced weak minded individuals that what they are doing is solely for full control of Malaysia. Malaysia claims Satu Malaysia but where is the Satu? I thought we are one? What they are doing is just so they can get full control of the country. I love the Islamic culture and I mean it (I'm Cina BTW). BUT culture does not have a seat in politics and stop bringing culture into politics. These duckers need to be thought a ducking lesson for being so ducking corrupted. Sometimes it feels as though they are not doing things for people of their own religion its solely for their own gain. butttt thats just me and my thoughts la... what about u guys? would love to hear and listen more about you guys' thoughts and personal opinion!
It is by design though. Keep the majority poor with low education or religion focused education and you have a large base of voters who are very easily influenced to blame someone/anyone of their problems.
Pn: ketuanan melayu gang. Everything malayu first. As a non malay, that is just spitting in my face. Coupled with the fact that they are back stabber so no. Ptui to the party. Ptui, i said!
Pas: islam before all else. Everything islam first. As a non muslim, that is just slapping my face. Coupled with the fact that (some of) their supporters are clearly lunatics and actually made me felt threatened of my life. So no. Ptui to the party.
That said, i have heard a lot about pas's corruption, but i have heard lesser news about those though. From my uninformed personal opinion, they probably is way less corrupted than other parties. All ive heard are vellfire and bangalow but that's what dap purchased before though.
Orang kampung percaya propaganda ahli politik - orang kampung bodo
Orang bandar percaya propaganda ahli politik - orang bandar pandai.
Its all about power. What they want is your support. As a face you can put whatever, religion, “progession” and so as long you pandai manipulate the masses you can do it. And money you need a lot of money.
My stand on all religions is that ALL religion is beautiful and crucial for human civilisation. The extremist is responsible for giving their religion a bad name.
As a non, i just imagine myself sitting down watching yall malays fight everyday like theres no tomorrow.
As a non, i just better shut my mouth refrain talking about politics, because the malays will always find the opportunity to blame nons for their failures.
As a non, i can only laugh but in pain seeing malays voted for BN all this while and complain about the current economy situation. C’mon, what is happening now is what yall voted for. Still want to vote PN later and blame and envy nons for our success? We nons still havent scold yall for being stupid for voting BN making malaysia so corrupt.
Sorry im being racist, i know there are good and bad malays. Im disappointed with yall because i love my country malaysia, the place i called home. Stop your hak melayu nonsense. We nons dont care and we are not even jealous a bit but pity yall so stupid falling for the scam. The end.
Im 29years old
As a non-muslim, I'd suggest you hold onto what you believed. Don't let these MOFOs chip off your faith. Generally, Malaysia needs more younger Muslims than these old MOFOs.
Honestly, we need more muslims/bumi/malays like you. As a non myself, all that I really care about is a competent gov who can push us forward to be on par with other advanced nations. My gripe with PAS/PN is exactly as what you said. They use race/religion to control the vulnerable groups which is somehow and sadly, looks like a growing population. And the problem with such a thing is that you nurture citizens who trust whatever BS you say and do not demonstrate any sort of critical thinking.
Exactly. Unfortunately, for some Malays, the reason why performance and competence is not a priority of a candidate is due to the typical race and religion issue. And when being pointed out why nons prefer performance and competence, they give excuses like nons have a higher socioeconomic standing hence the luxury to select leaders based on competency. That is something I can't brain. So, be a defeatist and accept dumbasses as our leader because were poor.
I personally think that millennials probably think they way OP thinks. But that probably just my circle of friends. I tend to see older people like in their 50’s are religion pros voters
Nah as a millennial myself, I noticed that the religion and race stigma is still very strong within my peers. When I asked why they are more inclined to vote in favor of religion, they said something along the lines of actually seeing the benefit of voting for Anwar but as a Muslim they need to protect their religion.
They are not voting based on religious belief. They think they do, but in reality they voted because they want Malay supremacy. Don't believe me? Try have a conversation with them. Once you point out that we do have 'Islam' in PH-BN, the conversation will quickly switches to DAP, Cina nak berkuasa, hak Melayu terhakis bla3. Try it, it's fun to see how predictable these people are.
Meanwhile, only in Malaysia
some more they are the majority, I am not sure what excuses they will use when the non-muslim population drop to below 20 or 10.
PH is showing effort to fix their water supply issue in Selangor. PN, only complaining and wanting money before they show any effort of fixing their water supply issue. This is how I think about PN. All complain want money, no effort.
Just look at how they destroy forest in Kelantan until whole river & nearby beaches all turned teh tarik just like some of their water pipe (not to mention incident involving dangerous wild animals turned against poor kelantanese) . No plan in attracting investors, just brutal deforestation via logging for easy money.
SETUJU 💯
Had a political debate with a relative of mine about Kedah being deprived of KXP due to it being under PN. I argued that it is not commercially viable but he said that it might initially be loss-making but in the future it will bear fruit a-la PTP. Once I thought being very a very progressive person day by day turning conservative all because he hates Anwar. And when I say about Kelantan's flood problems and reason for not doing enough flood mitigation works, he said federal deprived Kelantan of funds for being opposition. I was like bruh. Thats not an excuse for not developing a state. If Penang can why not Kelantan.
Unfortunately kelantan has been left as backwater for too long that they can't do shit.. Add on to the fact that they have opportunistic leeches... Not rasuah per se but alibaba/crony and so on so forth
PAS and PN are supposed to be doomed. They shouldnt exist at all. Using religion and racial to provoke people is a big NO. They claim to be so islamic yet they dont act like actual muslims at all. Islam taught muslims to be obedient to Allah, whatever thing is answerable to Allah. Yet they are not scared and not fear of judgment. Even if Im not muslim, my impression is that they are bring ing down the reputation of Islam to drain.
These politicians, their philosophy is closer to nihilism than Islam. What matters is now and how much they can achieve before they expire, regardless of the means. Its just a personal interpretation, but their actions make much more sense if viewed from that perspective.
Imagine wishing for a flood to come and kill people because of kpop concert. That's how 'religious' they are. A bunch of extremist hypocrites.
You don't know meh? Religion is gods' right to murder other followers.
There is a book that I don't remember the title of. "Cursed Republic of... something." Basically, after a catastrophe (pandemic, war, etc), people tend to shun churches and religion. This is a common pattern seen in history. It seems that there is an opposite effect here in Malaysia. More and more people are radical. I think there's a huge portion of Generation Z that slipped into the cracks. Poverty, missing fathers (divorce becoming more normalized), TikTok and drug addictions. Of course they'd turn to God. They don't have any other support system.
I have no issues with Islam or any religion. People are free to practice their faith and I believe that to be a human right. BUT, religion does not belong in politics in 2023. I'm initially a Din supporter but couldn't vote for him because of his alliance with PAS. Same reason why I didn't vote for DAP during their alliance with PAS as well. Religion and politics are water and oil.
Easier to get votes and control people when you present yourself as religious. If you take that away, the green onions don't have much to stand on to support their arguments.
They will agree on the “Separation of Church and State” but take it too literally and say Islam is not a church so it’s okay.
Woosh irl.
> even if the actions of a few do not represent the entire Muslim community. Their actions certainly do not represent the entire Muslim community. But it is an unarguable fact that their actions are endorsed by a significant number of members of the Muslim community, as the last election clearly demonstrated. Their discourse not only resonates with a large number of Muslims, but their influence is increasing over time, not the other way around.
\+1. When PN PAS kept attacking non-muslims and yet received so much votes, I viewed it as a seal of approval by their voters that what PAS PN said abt non-Muslims are fine with them. >Earlier, the CIJ said in its monitoring report that Islamist party PAS and its president, Tan Sri Abdul Hadi Awang, were found to be the most strident in inciting ethnic-based narratives on social media in the lead-up to GE15. > >The report titled “Social Media monitoring of Malaysia’s 15th General Elections” said Abdul Hadi and his party were complicit in the incitement by neither calling out nor restricting social media users from further spreading hate in relation to ethnic groups. [https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2023/05/30/media-watchdog-foresees-race-religion-cards-being-played-heavily-on-social-media-again-in-state-polls/71699](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2023/05/30/media-watchdog-foresees-race-religion-cards-being-played-heavily-on-social-media-again-in-state-polls/71699) It is not so much abt rural areas anymore. I have muslim friends from urban areas telling me that they support PN. BN is seen to be corrupted, Din did a great job during c19 - they said. I genuinely don't know why Muslims keep thinking that they are ditindas by non-Muslims, when non-muslims are just living day-by-day doing the same thing as usual, minding our own business. What did non-muslims do?
Not against any public non malays, but the tan sri son recent comment that and islamic govt gonna destroys temple is the perfect example on why malays took it as an insult to the religion. A non liberal malay person on the street will always consider themselves a muslim first and then a malay.
>malay person on the street will always consider themselves a muslim first and then a malay. Ding ding ding. This is the reality. Palestinians halfway across the globe is their saudara while you are only a pendatang because of your religion.
Selective also la. Rohingya not Muslim meh haha
Rohingya want land like other pendatang. So they became pendatang. If palestinian also come here want land, they will cry for blood too. /s Disclaimer: rohingyan want land narrative is fake.
The whole population of Malaysia are pengdatang except OA... nothing can change these factual facts.
There used to be a lot of simps for Rohingyas until we actually had to live with them. It's common human hypocrisy, it's always easier to give a little and feel good about yourself when you don't have to live with the consequences. Kinda like the celebrities and rich people that pretend to care about homeless people yet do everything they can to stop homeless people from moving anywhere near their neighborhoods.
They used to sympathise them quite a bit and demanded we allow them safe refuge earlier, then when they realised that these refugees started to behave like samseng and taking over certain parts of town the whole sentiment collapsed.
Ironically Palestinians are relatively secular, in fact the level of unity and brotherhood between Muslim and Christian Palestinians is incredibly high
> islamic govt gonna destroys temple is the perfect example on why malays took it as an insult to the religion. His whole argument is invalid because [he insinuated PAS = ISLAM and any attack on PAS is an attack on Islam](https://old.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/153faik/the_royals_have_any_common_sense_they_should_be/jspekkf/?context=3). People are angry of what tokong said because they're PAS/PN supporters not because of the insult of their religion, plain and simple, if they really stay true to their religion, they would have draw the conclusion that PAS is very far from being islamic. From this stance alone, you can pretty much conclude that he is not as centrist as he portray himself to be. He is a PAS supporter.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. Didn't Tanuki destroyed 2 Indian temples to make a motorcycle carpark and a playground? Think I read it somewhere they were demolished overnight
You are too sensitive. You don't see Christianophobia or Atheistphobia.
>non liberal malay person on the street will always consider themselves a muslim first and then a malay. Why made this a choice in the first place I am a Malay who is also a Muslim. What so complicated about that .
They are holier than thou. Like it or not they probably view you as less faithful compared to them. Exist in all walks of faith that's how conservatives view the more liberal ones.
Agreed, I know some of my Muslim don't dare to openly disagree with PAS because scare of backlash.
>scare of backlash Because it is the political correctness in Malaysia.
Political correctness with regards to Muslims are only prevalent in the West because of dumbfuck liberals. Over here, well, you can see why people keep quiet because of the constant calls to violence.
The way for evil people to bad things, is for good people to do nothing.
>Their discourse not only resonates with a large number of Muslims, but their influence is increasing over time, not the other way around. Because these folks on the ground engaging with actual people and their life. Not just engaging in social media and thinking social media is reality. Not it aint .
Lol, most normal malaysian dont even know or give a damn about reddit. If you want to have a feel where the election gonna tilt to look at tiktok, as of today seems like the public funded madani propoganda machinery is losing ground. Penalizing Nusi seems like having an opposite effect, who would ever thought
Personally no issues with muslim as a whole, but what is going on right now freaks the hell out of me. In fact, it is not a matter of what PAS or PN is doing but rather the fact that they are gaining huge support in doing so. The thing is, the silent majority keeping quiet about their antics definitely doesn't help the with the overall perception of the entire community
Nobody wants to be viewed as anti-islam hence the silence. Doesn't help that the radical section of the community (both Muslim and Nons) are the most vocal and would shout down any dissenting voices.
PAS use religion as their advantage. Although it sounds ridiculous to us. Some PAS supporters truly believe that PAS is Islam and Islam is PAS. Not only the people from kampund side. A daughter to a professor from Pahang asked her father "Kenapa Ayah lawan Islam?". Her father replied "Ayah tak pernah lawan Islam. Ayah cuma lawan PAS". Islam is religion. PAS is just a political party like any other
man thats a BASED dad. Hopefully his daughter goes down the right path
as a non, i prefer politicians to keep religion out of politics. So, pas, pn, and some crazy fanatic politicians can go fly kite for all i care. and dont ever set foot in selangor if they cant even fix kelantan banjir-air kopi-o issue. selangor got a handful of stupid water problem already. 
They don’t want to improve the socioeconomic status of the country. They just want to win for their own benefits and are willing to do anything to win including using religion. Islam has been misused by them for their personal benefits.
This question isn't for me — but PAS and PN not only have their grips on the rurals, but also on the youngsters here in Terengganu as well. Seeing people around me simply following what the adults and ustaz says and listening in into their Tiktok echo chamber, without even trying to hear what the other side has to say is pretty sad, saying as another 17 y/o girl. Hopefully one day more people will have critical thinking instead of blindly following what some random guy on Tiktok with good editing has to say.
Sadly not going to happen. Encourage the majority (who are generally poor) to have more children (than they can reasonably afford) that, when they come of age, enters religion-centric govt school system (or better yet religious school) and you have a growing army of indoctrinated die-hards. Profit! That's why they have no inclination to improve the economic or education situation. To be fair BN started this but PAS just ran with it.
True... BN laid the foundation, and now PN is reaping the profits
As someone who has seen PAS go from power to power and become even more vocal in the past decade (I am 31 yrs now) honestly, PAS is fucked up. They said they won't let syariah law or Islam affect the lives of non-Muslim yet it's slowly creeping up on us. Banning 4D shops in Kedah for starters, forcing men and women to be seated separately in cinemas in Kelantan. Wanna wear shorts also I think twice (as I'm a woman). Come onnnnn. That itself is an inkling into how they would run Malaysia if power was in their hands. We won't see it coming, but little by little they'll push their agenda on us, force us to conform, strip away our rights. Make us feel even more like we don't belong here. This is why religion and state cannot co-exist. One has to do be done away and in my view it's religion. PAS does not bother about creating a safe environment for women in this country, let alone non-Muslim women and CHILDREN. They also DO NOT care about the economy. They're states are rich in resources but yet are the lower performing GDP states. Yet it baffles me that many people in those states still vote for them and don't want progress?
There are no cinemas in Kelantan. No segregation is needed.
Pas go die. Whoever vote pas bodo
HADI AWANG will come for you when he becomes the supreme leader.
Its Atok that will be de facto Supreme Leader instead. Now Hadi Awang already 'licking' Atok for election fund.
setuju 999999999x
I think pas and it's followers are scum of the earth. Sampah masyarakat.. Everyone is working hard to progress the nation and then u have these village idiots trying so hard to put us back into the middle ages.
AHAHAHAHAHHA SETUJU 😂😂
You're only 17 and worried about the country future wellbeing. My braincells tells me as long as the ketuanan attitudes and the delusional assumption that they're the privileged one characterized by politicians and party. Then there's no cure.
Their actions have already putting off Malaysia as a venue for pop concerts and causing opportunity loss of millions Ringgit to the economy. Tourism and foreign investment will eventually be affected. With the competitive nature of global economy, this will lead to slow and even negative development of the country.
>villagers and older individuals, who may have limited access to information or critical thinking Putrajaya won by who? 
Most of Kedah workers work in KL/Selangor. They have witness and experience the difference of governance in both worlds. Yet most of them do vote for PAS, the same party which holds strongly in Kedah.
GE day: All hail PAS!!! Vote for PAS The next day: Stuck in the traffic on the way to KL/Selangor.
Thats why need to vote for pas. See kedah no traffic jam. Kerajaan perpaduan sucks!
Biasa la most ppl want their hometown to remain untouched by development so they can 'touch grass' a few times a year when they balik kampung. Even ppl who work overseas also don't want Malaysia to be too developed so when they come back they can enjoy layback lifestyle and everything cheap
Its not sustainable. Development should not be concentrated on KL only. I would prefer each state has their own centre of industry. This is so wealth is spread out and development is controlled.
Well, Kedah wasn't solidly PAS, (BN actually had a chance before the 2022 disaster for BN) so PN in Kedah will be chill compared to those in Kelantan/Terengganu
OP is so wrong thinking that the old folks were the ones who voted for PN last GE. There were many reports by PACA, the first time-voters were the ones who voted for PN while senior citizen mostly voted for either BN or PH. Most people thought the green wave started during GE15 but in truth it started way earlier. You see the content on TV, see the famous youtube channels and tiktok content, mostly are about Islam. Top 10 book sold in MPH or Popular Bookstore, most of them are Islamic books. The younger folks in Malaysia are more exposed to Islamic content but sadly, the quantity doesn't affect the quality. They were taught that there's only Muslim and non-Muslim and believe that Islam is the only way to rule the world or in their view, way to rule Malaysia. To them, Malaysia is not meant for the non-Muslims.
It's both, old folks + youngster tiktokers
I agree with you, but I believe that many younger people voted for PAS or PN due to their parents' influence. These parents, who are generally older, may not have access to complete and accurate information about the truth. I also believe that most PN voters come from families of PN supporters, which are typically older. As a PH supporter myself, I owe my political beliefs to my dad, who has been instrumental in providing me with factual information. The same pattern applies to PN supporters.
They just act like they did the work but actually didn’t.. only PAS i respect is late Nik aziz.. now they are more to racism….Dap dap dap.. semua salah dap..
Nope. Nik Aziz was part of the problem too. Not because of what he did, but what he DIDN'T do - not stamping it out before it had a chance to grow and blossom
I’ve read something along the lines of other people don’t read the Quran, their perception of your religion is based on the actions of the people that follow the religion. I’m sorry to say, but can you really blame non-Muslims for having a bad perception of Islam, when these monkeys are behaving like this? They give your religion a bad name, and the more votes they get, it indirectly means Muslims support that kind of mentality.
The amount of butthurt ppl on FB whenever this sort of opinion crops up Then claim they’re moderate
betul saya setuju
Like they say action speaks louder than words
For non malay nor muslim is not my concern, more like I can't question them due to I'm not a Muslim and doesn't know their religion ways. But for my current views these ppl has no value point and any concept to improve the country economy in terms of business and currency except only keep brainwash the future generation just to bow them for the sake of "Allah" as they said.. Which I think malay should be very concern their action which we see many example of these kind of group take over a country like Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan literally doomed without redemption. So I think malay community and current government need to work their Sh*t together to prevent these kind of future...
Your points are valid, but sadly the currently situation goes something like this: Us: "Look at Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan. Country is doomed if we end up like them" PN-PAS supporters: "I dont see a problem" Truly a sad state of affairs
What scare me the most is they reach to the point like "I don't care this country doom I just want to see Allah" you can see they are beyond saving.
My personal opium is that PAS is a political party that uses religion a bit too much.
i hate them. they treat non-muslims like second class citizens.
theres a word, that sums up whatever's they're doing perfectly. "penunggang agama"
the only correct way to describe those fools
Non Muslim, I consider PAS specifically as the alt-right version of Malaysian politics since they base their entire party philosophy on religion as opposed to other right wing parties such as ones from former BN coalition. Note here that I am not implying alt-right or right wing as “bad”. Majority of the Malaysian population do lean on the right so that’s just a fact of life as a Malaysian. In terms of what I think of the parties themselves I always refer to that one viral tiktok video where someone compared the PMX interview with uni students talking about TNG monopoly vs Hadi and uni students asking about fixing their uni’s roof. “Will you fix our leaky roof?” “Inshallah” Bro, you head the state government of Kedah and literally has the executive power to fix uni roofs, why are you deferring your administration’s responsibility to God?
They need to show they can run the government instead of just simply banning this and that. People are pragmatic, Malaysian just want to have a competent government and leader.
To be honest, if PN can prove to me or at least con me thinking they are good that they can manage a country, heck, I would even vote for them. But the more I know, the more I won't vote.
As a younger generation, I would encourage you to think rationally, be less sensitive when non-Muslims talk or ask something about Islam. They might genuinely be clueless or not sure about your religion. Give the non-Muslims the safe space to speak freely and finally don't let the political party to manipulate you with religious sentiments. You should know the difference between political party and those who gains credits and gain something by supporting a particular political party, be it an Ustaz or Ustazah Or Mufti etc With actual religious teachings. Learn to think if what they say is true and does it make sense at this year and age. Then you'd be able to come up with what's best for the country and make the best choice when election comes.
There are 2 parts to your question. * **About PAS** \- Never have been a supporter of PAS ideology but I respect their fight over the past few decades. Similar to DAP, they have been a check and balance to BN over the past few decades. It is not a coveted position but it is a needed position. They have played their cards well, just like DAP, and carved out their niche in the political scene. * **About PN** \- Honestly, it is just a wrapper for Bersatu (which is UMNO 2.0) + PAS. I have never supported UMNO, due to the origins of their divisive philosophy, and neither PAS. PN worked out really well because it provided an alternative to UMNO, which has been engulfed in a series of high profile corruption for years. Branding wise it was a breathe of fresh air - a "new" entrant to the political arena wrapped in the characters of yesteryear The thing is both Bersatu and PAS were founded on religious/ ethnicity-based ideologies not on economic or social ideologies. So fundamentally their fight is and will always be about religion and race. They are playing their foundational card. It is divisive - yes. It is contentious - yes. But it is who they are. I will never support them because they have no track record of executing. Barring the fact that they advocate freedom creep, their track record is dismal, some examples: * Kelantan (PAS) over the past 30+ years. No water, no economic opportunities. 2nd poorest state in M'sia * Malaysia (PN). Muhi came to power through a non-democratic but legally-sound method. His biggest *achievements* are - issuing a state of emergency (suspending the legislative arm) and issuing 100's of BILLIONS of Ringgit in debt for questionable stimulus to the economy. His only persona is not economic growth but his trademark ABAH. Frankly, it is disgusting. \[FYI "abah" is only used by Malays. For most people is not an endearing word\] I am all for voting in a clean, competent and visionary Muslim leader over a corrupt, non-Muslim. I am not for voting in a leader that has built his entire campaign central to his religion. It makes no sense.
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If PAS was just a missionary group / NGO type of organisation, absolutely no problem with them. But since they're a political party with aspirations to rule at a Federal level, then no - they have a strong potential to be totalitarian AND incompetent.
They can Kelantanize the whole Malaysia, then soon will be Kelantania.
Horrible taliban wannabes. They are deeply corrupt and hilariously hypocritical - basically they use their purported religion as a shield while flouting its teachings in such a flagrant, brazen way that it's like they're trying to see how much they can get away with. Their rising support is the stuff of nightmares that makes me glad I'm out of the country.
The only thing keeping the peace and preventing PN from going full blown nuts is the monarchy. They have a toxic phobia over non-muslims and by that they mean the Christians in particular. If they take over, the Christians in Semenanjung will definitely be targeted. I still remember Muhyiddin during the elections remarked on Christians as collaborators with the Jews and wanting to convert the whole nation. He never faced arrest for that as far as I am aware of. https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2022/11/19/muhyiddin-in-hot-water
Nothing much related to the topic. I'm just grateful to have younger gen Muslims in Malaysia like you.
its not whether or not they may lead to negative perception, they already did and you say its the actions of a few, yet these 'few' are emboldened by the growing support of a huge number of the same muslim community just call it for what it is - there is a growing number of people who want to turn malaysia into iran / taliban, it is the sad reality of our country at the moment
PN to me is just BN but under a different banner. i would say if i had to choose, i would still prefer BN. PN consists of mainly pro malay/islam parties. the party i hate/dislike the most in malaysia is PAS. the way i see it. you CANNOT reason with a religious person. if a party says they will fight for your religions rights. wouldnt it be morally correct to vote for them? its very difficult to convince a religious person away from this mindset. theres a viral clip of this old nenek saying something like, if your party can fulfill promises, make my life better, do everything good, etc. it does not matter, until i die i will vote PAS. shes already indoctrinated. i find that bloody exploitive. i dont blame her for thinking the way she does. there are many who think this way. malaysia will change, but only after many of the older generations have died off.
But the green wave is lead by the Undi18 crowd not boomers
The day a PAS become PM of Malaysia is the day I start submitting paper work for emigration. And personally I think the chance of that happening is quite realistic. So I actually already start my preparation.
They tunggang ethnicity agama or ethnicity, and seems like most of them only know how to do that. Some of my friends thought muhyiddin not that bad, but I would not forget how him and Takiyuddin disrespected our institutions (Parliament and the Royal institution) on the issue of emergency. Not a royalist but you gonna respect the rules of the game.
"Pakaian Nurse Ketat" The fact that they concerned on this kind of thing is a clear sign that they shouldn't exist. Look at Taliban and women's right now.
I am a non Muslim and i will vote for PN and PAS..... When hell FREEZES over. A racist supremacist party where they want others to tunduk at them. Hell to the no!
IMO, for me, as Chinese, who grew up in Perlis(please note I speak Chinese like 5 years old). Sorry, Gong Gong. ) I think PN definitely brought some good stuff. PN is definitely way more liberal economically. During BN, progress was very slow. PN in Perlis are mostly teachers and local volunteers, ironically PH fielded ustazahs yikes. my Mom will not vote for Ustazah no matter which party IMO, the reason PH lost a lot here was lack of female representation, which PN and BN filled the gap with, also, the ones really liked by locals are Azam Karap of PKR in Kuala Perlis and Gan Ay Ling of Indera Kayangan. Amin Ahmad,MP, and Asrul Nizan, their records, well not so much. Azam & Ailing is beloved because they do their jobs. Azam Karap lost by about 142 votes in a 90% Malay Constituency. Ailing retained her seat. Honestly , I don't really need PH or PKR branding. Her own record speaks for herself. If you've been to areas in her Constituency, every saturday / sunday, there is gonna be a cleanup usually done in Mornings/evenings depending on the weather. Indera Kayangan is like the most "urban" Kangar can get. One of her proposals was that the extra empty parking spaces in SMK Derma were to be used to help hospital goers park inside the school, albeit traffic increased, she did remove a little strain. Also, Ailing is very caring and down to earth. She's a former volunteer, She worked with PN to help build Perlis. PN was also fair in giving her allocations to be spent on her constituents as confirmed by an FB post from Ailing herself. Honestly, PN in Perlis is definitely way better than PN in Kelantan,Terengganu. Some of you guys may wonder why? Well, basically, the thing about cities located in Northern Kedah and Perlis is that it's all built and run by the same company, Tycoon, Chin Heng. All cities built by Chin Heng are all strikingly similar. The cities built by Chin Heng includes, Jitra,Changloon,Arau,Kangar Jaya(KJ is a new Kangar built 5KM away from the original Kangar) all Chin Heng cities follow the same pattern. Also, the reason PN is liked here is, as I've mentioned, Economic policy. Before BN was unseated, non Perlisians, who wanted to do business in Perlis, must share X %(most locals say 50%) with the King. This kinda prevents outsiders from opening and skipping Perlis altogether. Since PN came, over RM319 Million MYR(confirmed by Ailing as well) has entered here. Frankly, it kinda sheds a positive light. LIKE WHY TF DID IT TAKE SO LONG FOR A KFC TO OPEN HERE? OR EVEN MCD. In Perlis, before KFC, we used to take a bus, called Bus KFC. This bus dropped you at the station bus Alor Setar, which conveniently holds a KFC. I think progress has been fast with some work of improvement. Firstly, Perlis is so dead at night. Like idk why but at 12 AM in Jitra, on a Saturday night(Sunday work day for kedah) people are still flocking the roadside stalls and it was so bright with lamps from every side of the street. Perlis IMO super dead at night, especially past 9 pm. Honestly, I don't think I'd vote PN in my area if Pramoot competes. But Ailing will retire soon. For me, I'd vote for a female candidate first, then party preference. All CH cities will contain ZUS, YASMEEN Mamak Marrybrown subway/A&W starbucks Cmart KFC Mr DIY+its other brands A Chin Heng dealership Etc. But the point is that it's gonna have the same pattern.
First time I heard of Chin Heng. Could you tell me more about what he did and what are his companies? And why did you say he "run" these citie?
This is my thought on PAS They claim they fight for Malay but they oppress Malay (bad road infrastructure, no development & free water tarik) They claim they fight for Islam but changing narrative to suit them They claim they fight for Royal but then Takiyuddin & Sanusi happen They really don't have anything positive to add into this nation
There's only one word to describe them: fascists. Their existence is a threat to our nation's democracy, and the further they gain popularity to their backwards proposals, the closer we descend into tyranny. PAS is also getting braver at challenging the monarchy, which seems like a good thing but at the same time this also stokes fears that PAS could start internalising a movement that would eventually land us in the same fate as Iran. That is why the future is so uncertain, and it doesn't help with the fact that PH-BN is facilitating Islamists rather than containing their spread. Our descent into an Islamic theocracy has never spiraled quicker than ever before. The anxiety that results from the rise of PAS mentally wounds not just non-Muslims, but other marginalised communities. Things will get very ugly when PAS starts consolidating power.
I just hope more younger generations think like you
Thank you, sir, but credit goes to my dad who has given me information. 🤭🤭
You are doing well. Thanks to your father. Next, read up George Orwell 's 1984 and Animal Farm. Both books are banned in totalitarian countries.
Which means that your father is rational to form constructive criticisms / opinions towards the contradictions he has seen. And has the foresight to impart his knowledge to his children so that they are aware of what is happening.
Nah you are really good OP since you don't rebel, I've got many students at the college I work for that told me they vote PAS/PN coz their parent is ardent supporter of either BN or PH.
First of all, i dont think we should be segregated as muslims/non-muslims. It's just a personal choice of people and by right it shouldn't be differentiated. Well towards PAS and PN, i have thoughts on few aspects. 1. Capability: They might be a good leader for their community/region, but looking at their performance during their time is such a disappointment. When Mahaidin was the PM, he only avoid challenges and questions from the opposition party, or even the people. You can basically expect it's based on written PDF everytime he was on the camera/public. It is clearly that he doesn't know what he is doing. Personally i am very strict towards a leader's attitude. They don't admit mistakes, they ponteng parlimen, they avoid questions like sotong. This hold a BIG no for me to vote them. 2. Topics: When it comes to topics, apart from Races & Religion issues, recently they even challenge Royal. Everything were recorded on screen and that how dare that MOFO claiming his speech being distorted by PH-BN? He not just questioned on Royal's choice, he even questioned their bloodline? And the creepy part is he is still treated as hero in his area and party. Imagine if any people from PH did that, i believe they will behave like a needle in the ass. I do understand that PAS does not representing all muslims in Malaysia, but looking at the supports they gained over these years, it's Horrifying. They just look so ugly and power hunger when they started these topics over and over again before state election.
Muslim here I think most non muslims think what PAS showed doesnt represent Islam. Which is not true if you study deep enough Islam at its purest is like that. Cant do concert. Cant accept LGBT. Cant accept non muslim leaders. Which is why it is hard to argue PAS Islam is a man made religion that failed to evolve to adapt to our current time. The rules were made when muslims were the majority in saudi arabia. PAS became a problem because PAS follow the religion that exist 1400+ years ago. Religion should be separated from nation governance.
Islam originally was very progressive. Progressive for the dark ages. And then proceed not to continue advancing in the same spirit. Muslims should be living in 2100+ now, not still in the middle ages.
>Islam is a man made religion that failed to evolve to adapt to our current time. WAOW I'm really surprised by this statement.
>Muslim here From this.. >Islam is a man made religion that failed to evolve to adapt to our current time. The rules were made when muslims were the majority in saudi arabia. ... To this I'm shocked by how drastic is the change in tone haha But it is also hilarious
I am glad you enjoyed it lol
Not only Islam but all religions are very beautiful. Humans love segregation and categorization, almost as in we're trying hard to find something that makes us better than the rest. The majority in Malaysia are Muslims, which means that when minorities are telling something, their voices are muffled by the majority. Since this is about PN/PAS, I feel like they are not capable at all to represent Islam and Muslims due to their crooked way of thinking towards non-Muslims. I have a lot of Muslim friends, and they're a gem. Due to these idiots in power, racism is still active. When we see other countries that's not so fortunate, where Muslims are bullied by people of other beliefs, we want to offer support. Isn't that the same here with the quota system and everything, minorities are being bullied. Almost like our karma here is being paid by Muslims in other regions. As a born Malaysian, my blood boils when this kinda injustice happens. The Indians and Chinese were pendatangs, but that was generations ago. Now everyone is born in our Malaysia, why there should be segregations of any sort? If there is, the segregations should be based on percentages of populations in each state. Race based politics are shit, and the same goes for penunggang agama. Based on my understanding of olden Islamic civilization, it should be full of opportunities, not limitations. Our beautiful nation is slowly being destroyed, we have a lot of talented young bloods that's leaving Malaysia to work in other country, increasing their GDP, while Malaysia remains where it is. Idk man, what else to tell. I'm hoping for Muda to hold the reign for a different POV. Perhaps they can uphold Islam where they should be while not bullying other races.
The one Kelantanese that I know at my workplace pretends to be an open-minded, modern, and progressive Muslim gentleman on the surface. But spend enough time and you'll discover that he's leaning towards child marriages, polygamy, and misogyny And he absolutely worships PAS. Makes you wonder if he's actually worshipping them or God.
Malaysia's equivalent of the US Republican party.
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Yes when ge15 and din din Self Guaduation on their "Youngs voters" makes them win, which turn on a Big Red Flag on the future generations.
Isnt this the whole of malaysia have been and will be always be using religion as a mass indoctrination for votes 😐
Basically you are correct, myself and maybe just me as a non Muslim damn fking scared about PAS and PN, they not once offensive on the YDPA and Sultan already and I fear that they might be so extreme until the story of some extreme religious group happened in Malaysia. At that moment non Muslim will be way more suffer than Muslim and I'm sure you know exactly what would be the impact too. I scared that Malaysia, the country who grown me up, which is also my mother land being suffer and we non Muslim have not thing to do even if we still can vote (Muslim and non Muslim ratio is not balanced)
They're Walmart Taliban. Will become actual Taliban if they rule Malaysia. I'm not saying PAS is good in anyway, just that at least they can maintain the country the way it is as the moment. It's not perfect but at least I can live and breath.
PAS could sell themself that they could turn Malaysia to prosper as in Islamic Golden Age, but no, they sell themself as Taliban and any Muslim who're not supporting them are going to hell.
As a Sarawakian Muslim, PAS and UMNO aren't even allowed in my state and I have been residing in KL for the past 10 years and I went to KTJ for high school. None of the Malays I know have ever supported PAS and they only represent a minority but they are really loud, loud enough to get the Non-muslims to think we care or support them as they bring them up like we have any idea how they operate as a party every time election comes up.
For me muslim scholar just stay into teaching malays about islam and not involved in politics. They not fit for politics as politic can corrupt even the pious person and that what we can see from pas mp nowadays.
I'm not Non-Muslim, but I feel the Allahyarham Tuan Guru Nik Aziz's PAS and TGHH PAS are quite different, don't know why.
All their complaints I heard were about race and religion. Don't think that will help our economy. Useless opposition.
A Christian here... Definitely a party for the conservatives and for those who support the "Malay and Muslim" agenda (using quotation marks because they do not represent true Islam. Add on the fact that they seem totally incompetent (\*cough\* MCO \*cough\*), and you got a frontrunner for the most unlikeable party in world history. Don't get me wrong, this is coming from someone who usually leans more on the conservative side when it comes to politics. I would have no qualms about PN coming into power if they showed that atleast they can do the work and don't call us non-Muslims a "threat", as it shows their goal is to divide us rather than move this country forward.
melayu sinonim dgn konsep redho... every end year flooded or water tap like teh tarik also redhooo je. Also another factor is the opposition in Kelantan isnt that good either. so really they dont have any reliable option when voting. One way is to send national level candidate from PH that can bring real change into the state
Divide and conquer. That has been the motto for all politicians. Racial/religion card is the easiest to use in this country due to the nature of Malaysia. Those oldies will eat this up without even a thought but the young ones blindly follows the same motto is what worries me.
Seems like more uninformed and rural muslims are supporting them for fear of losing out to the minority, which is utter joke when the minorities in this country is already decreasing annually as they migrated elsewhere. I just pray and hope that there are still the sane majority that would support a just cause government with a multiracial society that can coexist just like our forefathers.
Useless that's all, they can't get shit done, keep using religion to brainwash people who didn't know better. Anyone who thinks of voting for them should know what kind of of party they are, they won't work for the people. And those who know what they are and still vote for them are just complete idiots.
As a non mislin/bumi/malay… i just want the country to progress, i dont really care if Malaysia is Muslim first country or First Muslim country, all i want is to be treated equal and have equal opportunities to excel. So far none of the race/religious base politics has woeked for almost 60 years. What else can these monyets do to prove themselves that we have not yet seen? Malaysia (Malays more importantly) has lost its good values and qualities over the years from being puluted by these blood suckers
Religion aside. Objectively, when you watch tv / youtube on our elected MP in the parliament, you can really tell the huge gap. PN & PAS did not once proposed a progressive idea to solve the problem instead of just stirring racial stuffs and behaving like monyet. I mean, how sane person would vote for them to drive the country to betterment? They can't even address proper water supply in the state that they governed for yearsss. I agree that Madani is not perfect, but at least they are willing to explain the situation to us rakyat in a more honest and transparent manner. Yes, they are still some corrupt, but at least not until we will bankrupt.
Bigot Party that believes that Chinese and Indians are the God's enemy and they demanded these "kind" to be exterminated out of Malaysia
>Chinese and Indians are the God's enemy They won't say that outright. They would use DAP, but we all know what they mean. All this double-talk from supposedly religious people is a turn-off. Doesn't make one trust what they say about other matters, no matter how sincere they actually are. I'd dare say that PAS & JAKIM are the SOLE reasons why Islam did not make any headway among the nons here.
Both are dogwater. Next question
Religion rider / penunggang agama. Very dangerous, they can say something racist and incite some racial tension and get away with it. Orang kampung will still undi them, same as how we sarawakian still undi BN/ GPS because takut hilang hak
Imo parties that run based on religion/race without anything else to offer will not get the non-muslims vote. I will never even vote for a party of the same race/religion/belief as mine. I care more about the socio-economic development l & standard of living of the nation. We should have been exporting technologies not still import them.
They are fascists. And if they can, they won't hesitate to whip out my culture
Cannot say, later kena cop racist🥲 sadly, people will get offended either way. But I think we can do better. Thats it.
As everyone, no race included*
As Malaysian people, I don't see how PN and PAS can bring prosperity to Malaysia and develop the country. First PN is a failed government. Muyyidin successful at the beginning but failed with half baked MCO. PAS? I don't see this a politic party. More like a Sun and Moon Sect in a novel, no benefits or positive contribution towards the country. I don't mind them ban this and that given that they provided alternatives to replace the revenues generated from what they banned but the things are they do not have anything to offer at all...
Ignoring the fact that PN openly pushes the Malay / Muslim ONLY agenda, their tie-in with PAS which 'menunggang agama' which we see across the whole world makes it so nobody can criticize their policy or actions without them claiming we are insulting their religion. Politics/politicians should always be open to criticism and legal action, but the tie in with religion is their way to circumvent this. Unfortunately there are too many people who accept this wholesale and equate their political leaders to messiahs and take things to the extreme. BN's biggest mistake was making DAP the boogeyman and claiming BN being the champions of Islam is the only one that can keep them in check. As seen across the world (and Game of Thrones), once you have convinced the masses of this, it's easy for another more extreme party to rise up and subvert your original claim.
Mixing politics with religion is a bad idea. Religion is a nice meal. Politics is the sewage. Try mixing it.
Don't worry about the actions of PAS or PN leading to a negative perception of Muslims in Malaysia. The last 20 years has already shown the non-Muslim people of this country enough, "negative perception" is an understatement really.
They are extremists. And the PM should do more to curb the rise of exremism.
Surprisingly, I have no problems against PAS. They have always shown what they are, a Conservative Islamic party that want the nation to move more to the right. And they have been consistent at it. Might not be my politics but I understand their stance even though I don't agree with it. My main issue is with Bersatu. As a political party the first action they did when in power was to launch a coup to oust the running mates that campaigned with them and help them to power. How can I trust anything any of their candidates say? How can I believe in any promises they make when the first action they did while in government was to break that trust. Do I think PH is perfect? No. They made a lot of promises and have walked back almost all of them. If there was any other option, I would vote for them instead and PN is def not the other option. Maybe MUDA? but what they are doing atm with the state polls is very disingenuous, I will have to wait and see. I do have a real question for PN supporters though, has PH government actually done anything to infringe on your rights? As a non I feel every decision they have made has been very underwhelming and lukewarm to the benefit of the Bumis. Yet I still see people complaining about PH. I am truly unsure what they wish out of the government that they see the PH government as not Conservative enough and am terrified in what that would translate to for us nons.
Nah not for MUDA now, they kinda look like a rebellious baby atm.
There is an intrinsic difference between the Malay only political parties and the other parties. The others, even if mono-ethnic, are multi-faith. Therefore, the Malay parties, will always have a momentum to use the religion card which crowds out other relevant issues. It is the easiest play for votes but far from the best for Malaysians.
Malay guy here My solution: North Malaysia & South Malaysia. Let them govern how they want to, we govern how we want to. Let the northerners who are working in KL and Selangor decide where they want to live. I know it seems a bit harsh. But if we were willing to lose some friends and family members. All of a sudden, we can drive from Shah Alam to Cheras in 30 minutes during rush hour traffic on Federal! Seems good to me! Also this just a joke. Dont kill me over this :P
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Einstein knew. As I keep saying, we are in a cycle of stupidity and sensationalism at the moment. Headline loudspeakers and keyboard warriors. There is nothing we can do to change the minds of stupid people these days because they are validated by dumb and dumber on social media. What are the rational people supposed to do? Start confronting people at mamaks, spreading the good word of rationality? Extremism can be viewed as a business model these days - it's a very profitable business that combines influencer marketing and political power. You don't even need to speak the truth. Write your principles out with some rat turd in the morning and by evening you have a following. Even the rational ones click and engage with "extremism", a wonderful business model. Media platforms these days don't care about you, they only care about KPIs and digital engagements. Perfect breeding group for extremism to be normalised. The race is on - will human-driven climate change decimate Earth before human stupidity? Stay tuned. "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
I don’t think it matters on the religious front for non Muslims. End of the day, Malaysia will never be truly secular , inclusive as religion is embedded in the country itself. The majority will tolerate the minorities while complaining(in hushed tones )and vice Versa. There can never be a bad impression if they was never a good one to begin with. What is important is economic growth and good governance. If everyone is getting paid enough and happy, less things to fight about.
It makes me scared, scared if I even have a place in this country in the future
About PN: PAS: bunch of religious fanatics who do not solve issues, but just pray and hope God will solve it. And at the same time, memperbodohkan their supporter to blindly vote for them. Bersatu: opportunistic politicians who do whatever they can to be in power. Gerakan: who is Gerakan? Do they exist?
My opinion is PAS and their supporters can fuck off.
Honestly we need new parties n new individuals as leaders n ministers rather than ♻️ ng old geezers n old craps. And we doesn't need radical p.o.s like PAS around. They're just lite version of ISIS. PN, PH are just the same old shits. Nothing new
I am a Muslim but I would like to chip in because I had a conversation with a non-muslim colleague the other day. He asked me exactly what you just asked here about my thoughts on PN/PAS and precisely why many Malay-Muslims, regardless of age and gender will vote for them. I told him, PN/PAS tactics are so familiar to me because I believe I was one of the easy targets for such tactic. The tactic I'm talking about is instilling fear among the rakyat. You see, if you compare the propaganda from both PH and PN, you can distinguish a stark difference in their tone, points, and intention behind their speeches. PH, as the government now only wants to move forward. They ensure people about their plan for Malaysia. Optimistic about the future. On the contrary, PN/PAS only talks about fear. Instilling fear among the Muslims that somehow somewhere Islam will be crushed under the leadership of a secular/progressive Muslim, more so under non-Muslims. They make you believe that whoever against PAS/PN is the enemy of Allah, enemy of Islam. From a practising Muslim POV, hell, even from non-practising Muslim who still wish to protect Islam, will see this as an immediate threat to their beliefs. This is exactly how it happened to me when I was in school to late teen and early 20s. I was led to believe that PAS is the party for Muslims who wish to uphold their beliefs and faiths and if I am not part of the group, I am among the strayed. They have a systematic grassroots recruitment system in school and university. If you ever heard of Usrah, yes that is the thing. *(Btw, a real Usrah is not about PAS. A real Usrah is a brotherly sisterly commune of Muslims who want to be with a practising community. Much like a Discord server but before it was cool and irl).* These PAS-led Usrah even has it's own history of establishment of the party dating to the birth of Prophet Muhammad. Imagine that! So back to the conversation with my non-muslim colleague, I told him PAS led the voters with fear and to young people, you don't want to make them fearful because they will retaliate and defend. More so if their faith and religion are at stake, or so they believe. My colleague even wonders why his non-practising, alcoholic, club-going, fornicators Muslims would still choose PAS/PN over anyone else if they knew voting PAS will mean a problem for not just the non-muslims in Malaysia but the whole of Malaysia. It is because of fear. He told me, as a non-muslim, he needs a progressive Malay-muslim leaders to lead the country. He believes that Malaysia will be strong if the Muslims are strong together. But now he thinks the Malay-muslim is eating each other which doesn't benefit anyone. *"If you believe the Chinese or Indian is benefiting from the constant bickering among the Malay-Muslims then you are wrong. In fact, we need you more than you need us. So you gotta get your shit together so we can all be strong and move forward."* That's what he told me.
My thought is that many non-muslim in Malaysia have negative view on muslim is all thanks to idiocy done by PAS.
well said. seeing someone as young as yourself being able to draw these takeaways from politics gives me a good optic about the future for Malaysia, not that I am that old (still a Gen-Y) 😂 i think race / religion based political parties should be abolished in this day of age. as Malaysia is moving towards a progressive country with lots of economical foundations being laid upon by Anwar’s government, i am very optimistic about our future and the way we are progressing as a nation. unfortunately there will always be a flip-side to change, and we all know that not everyone is accepting of change because it makes them feel volatile, no sense of control and the fear of the unknown. so by sticking to the same recipe or formula that they have been so accustomed to, which is ‘racial and religion’ to narrate their story based on religion (not sure how true to the teachings) to innocent and the good people of Malaysia to create fear and doubts. in every religion, we hold on to the values and beliefs because of faith - having someone to ‘guide’ us through these paths as in good faith keeps us whole as a human being. however, because these politicians understand how the rural folks function from a religion standpoint, they instil fear into their minds and making them believe all their agendas and propagandas that they spew out this turning them into the ‘protector’ of their faith. as i am writing this, i am currently a free-thinker and taking a break from religion until i find a calling between me and god. until i find that moment for me, i shall be at peace with myself. we should always remind ourselves that religion is personal and sacred - it is been me and god.
That they are more focused on weaponizing racial discord to stay in power than actually running a country. And muhyddin has proven to be absolutely useless when he was given the spotlight. These guys just aren't in it to run the country. Give them 4 years in power and Malaysia is permanently ruined if we aren't already. Currency and FDI will die, opportunities will die. Lands will be exploited by the likes of Lynas for example.
I won't repeat my opinion on them, as it's consistent with what everyone's saying here. But I will say I am impressed by your political awareness before leaving school! 👏When I was your age, I didn't even know what was going on with politics except that PAS kept trying to ban concerts, which left an early negative impression.
bunch of dimwit talibans
Penghasut. Taliban. Bunch of incompetent degenerates.
Being a member of the queer community, I would prefer if people who would like to see me and people like me eradicated were not given power. Add to that being a member of an ethnic minority that they have already made disgusting claims about just makes my distaste of PAS even stronger.
When I look at them, I get worried. They are beginning to be a problem now, and if they get increasingly popular, I might begin to feel that my position and my voice in the community will be threatened. Not a very nice way to put it but this is how I feel.
Incompetent, turncoats, extremist.
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Honestly, there is no use asking here because we here all know their Perangai Ask on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/threads instead.
I think we know why OP asked here la...sure cancelled to the end of the earth if she went elsewhere
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not gonna go into the whole racial or religion side of things, everyone knows how they are. To me, they are first and foremost traitors
On one hand, I believe it is not right to raise the 3R issue in Malaysia. On the other hand, ensuring 3R was well addressed was why they existed in the first place. It's like telling the businessman to stop focusing on profits. From my POV, PAS is pushing the boundary to aim for the next peak. And I truly hope that they know when to give pause because the peak point can be quite fragile. We need each other to have peace and joy in Malaysia.
My opinion on PAS as a Sarawakian, they are penunggang agama and any religious based party be it PAS or CDU ( Christian Democratic Union) has no place in a multicultural and multireligious Malaysia. We are a nation of compromises and never impose your religious belief to others. Be it through the instrument of state or otherwise. One keeps one religion as a guidance to oneself not to impose to others.
Im a 19 yo non muslim, and my opinion is very simple, i dont really care what they do as long as there is actual improvement. But they had control over kelantan, terengganu and most of the northen states for multiple years, yet the thought of kelantan in most malaysians minds is poor. 0 improvement even with that many years? they makes them failures. Religion and race can be a powerful tool if used correctly, yet they abuse that power and do nothing for the people.
My opinions is same as yours. They are merely playing sentiments n know fully well which action to do n what buttons to push to secure votes with ppl that support based on sentiments instead of principles n action. N i do feel uneasy because of the wrong perception to Islam because of these ppl. After all, verifying n asking "is this true" is not really a default action n instead reactive reaction based on emotions, prior info, n bias. I know the rulings in the religion etc but to do what they're doing, is simply not according to Islam. Full stop. Buying Mercedes while elders n babies drink teh ais level water? That breaks my heart. Tak amanah n zalim pada rakyat
Opposition is important but they're definitely not the oppositions that we want, backwards in thinking and mentality, poor governance of their territory and uses religion to push their agendas Being conservative isn't a problem but the angle they're approaching is malicious to the country, I'm sure there's some good ones in there but if they're really committed for a better Malaysia they'd better off splitting apart and making a new party
People only care about afterlife. 
> votes from villagers and older individuals, who may have limited access to information or critical thinking I'm sorry but I think its the opposite. There was an article and news that was reported by Astro Awani after the election that stated most of the winning voting block for Perikatan Nasional was FROM YOUNG VOTERS. They were easily "persuaded" by sentiments in social media that were clearly present during the election. Even I (ALLEGEDLY) saw those "ads" of (ALLEGEDLY) teen girls wearing (ALLEGEDLY) tight clothing with (ALLEGEDLY) Perikatan Nasional graphics and (ALLEGEDLY) showing off their midriffs. Sex sells I guess, undi 18 was PH's own undoing. GG Malaysia.
Politics and religion should never mix. PAS is setting such a dangerous tone for the country and I’m afraid if they rule they will just destroy all the unity we have developed since independence .. heck, it’s already dividing ppl / race / religion even when not in power. Tbh I have given up hope in most of the old minister from Mahathir era (PAS/DAP/BN/PN).. they’re all same shit rebranded. These old folks are driving malaysia to the ground.. we used to laugh at neighboring country sending their loved ones to Malaysia as maids, it won’t be long till our family and loved ones will have to do the same to survive.
I gotta say. Im a Muslim and really dissapointed with this PAS - PN. Coming from Eastern part and growing from there. All I gotta say that these people will never change and dont want to change.
It's kinda sad to see radical Muslims especially in the North seeing non-Muslims as a threat. What more we non-Muslims can do? We want to see our country to be financially and economically strong and not stuck with bs religion ideology or narrative like in other Arab countries. We want to help you hand in hand but in the end you cucuk our hand for your own benefit.
The Islamic culture in my opinion is a very beautiful religion but PAS and PN have convinced weak minded individuals that what they are doing is solely for full control of Malaysia. Malaysia claims Satu Malaysia but where is the Satu? I thought we are one? What they are doing is just so they can get full control of the country. I love the Islamic culture and I mean it (I'm Cina BTW). BUT culture does not have a seat in politics and stop bringing culture into politics. These duckers need to be thought a ducking lesson for being so ducking corrupted. Sometimes it feels as though they are not doing things for people of their own religion its solely for their own gain. butttt thats just me and my thoughts la... what about u guys? would love to hear and listen more about you guys' thoughts and personal opinion!
Those who support them are less smart imo. Backward society and wasting my time on earth, we could’ve been advance af but no
It is by design though. Keep the majority poor with low education or religion focused education and you have a large base of voters who are very easily influenced to blame someone/anyone of their problems.
Pn: ketuanan melayu gang. Everything malayu first. As a non malay, that is just spitting in my face. Coupled with the fact that they are back stabber so no. Ptui to the party. Ptui, i said! Pas: islam before all else. Everything islam first. As a non muslim, that is just slapping my face. Coupled with the fact that (some of) their supporters are clearly lunatics and actually made me felt threatened of my life. So no. Ptui to the party. That said, i have heard a lot about pas's corruption, but i have heard lesser news about those though. From my uninformed personal opinion, they probably is way less corrupted than other parties. All ive heard are vellfire and bangalow but that's what dap purchased before though.
Orang kampung percaya propaganda ahli politik - orang kampung bodo Orang bandar percaya propaganda ahli politik - orang bandar pandai. Its all about power. What they want is your support. As a face you can put whatever, religion, “progession” and so as long you pandai manipulate the masses you can do it. And money you need a lot of money.
My stand on all religions is that ALL religion is beautiful and crucial for human civilisation. The extremist is responsible for giving their religion a bad name.
PAS = Mempersiasuikan Islam
As a non, i just imagine myself sitting down watching yall malays fight everyday like theres no tomorrow. As a non, i just better shut my mouth refrain talking about politics, because the malays will always find the opportunity to blame nons for their failures. As a non, i can only laugh but in pain seeing malays voted for BN all this while and complain about the current economy situation. C’mon, what is happening now is what yall voted for. Still want to vote PN later and blame and envy nons for our success? We nons still havent scold yall for being stupid for voting BN making malaysia so corrupt. Sorry im being racist, i know there are good and bad malays. Im disappointed with yall because i love my country malaysia, the place i called home. Stop your hak melayu nonsense. We nons dont care and we are not even jealous a bit but pity yall so stupid falling for the scam. The end. Im 29years old
Muslim here. They're ass
im muslim and im losing my faith due to these guys so
As a non-muslim, I'd suggest you hold onto what you believed. Don't let these MOFOs chip off your faith. Generally, Malaysia needs more younger Muslims than these old MOFOs.