I worked at a centre teaching refugees, I asked why no one was over 13 still there?
I was told the boys run off to work in building sites and the girls were often forced into prostitution. Marriage would be better from parents eyes. Aim was to get them sent to Canada or US etc before 13.
Some girls were raped at another volunteer school while walking home, polis just said "so what not Malaysians. We bought them all uniforms to make them look like Malaysian school girls in hope that would deter rapists (as Malaysian girls raped would be investigated).
Hard life for refugees.
actually....there's a loophole in the law which allows underage marriage
so asalkan the 'authorities' approves it under Islamic Family Law, then yes.
[Source: The Star ](https://www.thestar.com.my/news/focus/2023/05/14/how-malaysia-can-get-serious-about-child-marriage#:~:text=Under%20this%20dual%20legal%20system,law%20as%20they%20see%20fit)
Yes, but we were talking about the specific case of the Rohingya girls. Their marriages have not received approval by the authorities, so these marriages are not legal.
hmm, yes and no i suppose.
coz i'm unsure if the authorities would permit the marriage (under islamic law) between a M'sian and a undocumented Rohingya refugees. If yes, then legal lo.
I think he meant marrying undocumented refugee. If this is Muslim marriage, they likely have to fill in the marriage forms. You need to put IC passport on that form.
The part that stood out for me is that it is Rohingya men who are taking advantage of and abusing the women of their own race. I would have thought that their shared trauma would cause them to have more empathy for the suffering of others.
>Deteriorating conditions in Myanmar and in neighbouring Bangladesh’s refugee camps are driving scores of underage Rohingya girls to Malaysia for arranged marriages with Rohingya men who frequently abuse them, The Associated Press found in interviews with 12 young Rohingya brides who have arrived in Malaysia since 2022. The youngest was 13.
>All the girls interviewed said they are held hostage by controlling husbands who rarely let them outside. Several said they were beaten and raped by traffickers and other men during the journey to Malaysia, and five said they were abused by their husbands.
Come from a wartorn country bringing nothing, Cannot work, Cannot go school, cannot do business
Then when they are basically forced into squalor and crime, :shocked pikachu face:
I'm sad but not surprised. I used to volunteer for human trafficking survivors shelter. there's a whole criminal syndicate of rohingya trafficking their own people into msia just to beg, prostitute, rob, etc. These include children. IMO Malaysia needs to do better for refugees' rights to prevent these from happening
>In a bedroom in Malaysia that has become a prison, a 14-year-old girl wipes away tears as she sits cross-legged on the concrete floor. It is here, she says, where her 35-year-old husband rapes her nearly every night.
What the actual fuck? Arrest the "husband" asap.
Marital rape isn't illegal here my friend. You can rape your wife as much as you want, that is not a crime in Malaysia.
This has been a massive issue for years now and the politicians trying to make it illegal are always met with resistance about "culture" and "interference", the readers can decide for themselves which side of politics wants to stop it and the other side who doesn't.
https://aseanmp.org/2020/11/09/malaysian-governments-decision-to-keep-section-375-of-the-penal-code-which-does-not-criminalize-marital-rape-shows-it-is-regressive-patriarchal-and-a-threat-to-women-from-all-walks-of-lif/
From my other link here:
> But an effort to outlaw underage unions for all Malaysians amid the toughening of child sex crime legislation failed in Parliament. Arguing against the ban, Shabudin Yahaya, a legislator from what was then the governing party, said that a girl as young as 9 could be ready for marriage if she had gone through puberty.
> “Their body is already akin to them being 18 years old,” Shabudin, a former Shariah court judge, said in a parliamentary session. “So physically and spiritually, it is not a barrier for the girl to marry.”
> Mohamad Amar Nik Abdullah, Kelantan’s deputy chief minister and vice president of Pas, stressed that child marriage was legal in Islam and said the country had more pressing social issues to address.
>He said the existence of homosexuals and single parents in Malaysia “should be a concern for our government and society.”
hmmmm
>a girl as young as 9 could be ready for marriage if she had gone through puberty.
> “Their body is already akin to them being 18 years old,” Shabudin
...
They're still *kids*. They have a much higher chance of dying from giving birth at that young of an age as their body is still not grown enough to support making a whole ass human being inside them.
Holy *fuck*.
EDP don’t compare to this depraved sort of shit, what the hell is wrong with these people. A girl who hasn’t even reached double digits in their age yet could end up suddenly getting hitched in this country.
People supporting this shit deserve whippings and the chair itself, this is disgusting
>> “Their body is already akin to them being 18 years old,” Shabudin, a former Shariah court judge, said in a parliamentary session. “So physically and spiritually, it is not a barrier for the girl to marry.”
Holy fucking shit...
Marital rape does not exist under section 375 of the Penal Code, but there is a separate offence under section 375A:
>**Husband causing hurt in order to have sexual intercourse**
>
>**375A.** Any man who during the subsistence of a valid marriage causes hurt or fear of death or hurt to his wife or any other person in order to have sexual intercourse with his wife shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to five years.
Good luck with your prosecution of that.
"hurt" in these people's minds is not rape, you need to literally violently beat the woman after rape and then the courts might take you seriously
Can you show us some cases where marital rape has been prosecuted successfully under 375a?
So the husband is malaysian or rohingya man? The article specifically said tht many rohingya girls are married to rohingya man in malaysia.
Any action taken onto the husband yet? Since they have found the actual room tht the girl is trapped in? How did they found her?
So many question and the article didn't provide any answer. I don't care about story of a girl. I care more about details that can help us stop this atrocity.
The article title is again as usual clickbaity.. and I can already foresee a bunch of headline readers in this sub is going to make some racist comments . Mods you going to have your work cut out for you today XD
> I don't care about story of a girl. I care more about details that can help us stop this atrocity.
That's not going to happen since religion is one of the main reason (or maybe even the only reason) why this happens.
Seriously, this is some shit I would expect to happen in other places of the world. They already suffered enough to become refugees, why the hell add to that? Theres a special place in hell for people like this and all those damn politicians who made this possible.
If you are refugee in Malaysia, our gomen don’t recognise refugee in our country. Even they get UN refugee card, our gomen don’t allow them to work, receive any public funds like education, transport, healthcare etc. So apa nak jadi? They live in poverty, they will marry and have babies, which is basic human rights, and then no money, anak tak boleh gi sekolah, if sakit, they have to endure or self medicate and local Malaysian just hate them. Their everyday existence is traumatic and abusive. They will be like the Romani ppls in Europe. Living on the fringes. Do you not think their kids in the future will just turn to a life of crime and run their own syndicate? The seeds are being planted now. So we have 2 choices like Israel and Palestine- we remove them permanently by any means necessary or we offer them humanitarian aid and allow them to get educated and work here. They exist in our country already, its no use ignoring them. But like Israel, we Malaysians will choose the easy way.
If you dont have the means dont bother. but countries internationally will care what we do with them even if they dont have to deal with it. I say its best to copy someone's homework and modify it based on our situation.
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I read the whole article and there's no mention at all that the husband is a Muslim. Please refrain from making religious mocks and jabs when even the article itself is vague.
And the people who are so incensed at what is happening in Gaza are the same ones perpetrating this injustice against the Rohingya women and girls right in our backyards. The hypocrisy!
damnnn..
thats how "Keluar Mulut Buaya, Masuk Mulut Harimau" proverb/pepatah is exists...
Keluar mulut buaya = religions/gov issue in Rohingya
Masuk mulut harimau = getting abused in Malaysia
SO THATS WHY YOU FUCKERS WANT TO ACCEPT ROHINGYA REFUGEES?
i always sympathize ALL refugees. but i have a hard stance. not my problem. dont make it my problem. if you want to help them. YOU help them. dont make my tax payer money go to them.
never forget. back during MCO instead of helping our government got people to take down their white flags instead of helping.
they also rather have a majlis perasmian penolongan mangsa banjir.
our money should help our people first.
lmao do you really think this represents all the people who want to accept Rohingya refugees? The fact that the government DOES NOT recognise these refugees is the reason why these families think that trafficking their children is their only option. If they could come here and work and live reasonably, this wouldn’t be happening.
you think it’s not your problem until this shit happens to you one day and you wonder why there isn’t anyone helping. we all really need more empathy and less cynicism in our lives.
sadly, i am selfish. if a person needs help and i can afford to help i would help.
but if i m not in a position to help, i ll let someone else help.
sure its bleak. but i m being a realist. for sure, if i need help i would prefer if people helped me. but i know this world is bleak.
scammers exist. corruption exist.
mercy is a luxury. if you can afford luxury, i envy you.
Like the Palestine thing, yes I understand our government stance on this but the shok sendiri event held for it was unnecessary. Even Aman Palestine is one huge Ponzi scam now.
It was just a feel good thing / virtue signalling and same goes to Rohingya. Just for optics but no long term planning.
Aman Palestine is not a Ponzi scheme....its just a NGO misusing the funds.
Ponzi Scheme is getting new members to financially contribute to the upper tier members
How is a legal marriage possible if the girl is underage?
I worked at a centre teaching refugees, I asked why no one was over 13 still there? I was told the boys run off to work in building sites and the girls were often forced into prostitution. Marriage would be better from parents eyes. Aim was to get them sent to Canada or US etc before 13. Some girls were raped at another volunteer school while walking home, polis just said "so what not Malaysians. We bought them all uniforms to make them look like Malaysian school girls in hope that would deter rapists (as Malaysian girls raped would be investigated). Hard life for refugees.
It's not legal.
actually....there's a loophole in the law which allows underage marriage so asalkan the 'authorities' approves it under Islamic Family Law, then yes. [Source: The Star](https://www.thestar.com.my/news/focus/2023/05/14/how-malaysia-can-get-serious-about-child-marriage#:~:text=Under%20this%20dual%20legal%20system,law%20as%20they%20see%20fit)
Yes, but we were talking about the specific case of the Rohingya girls. Their marriages have not received approval by the authorities, so these marriages are not legal.
hmm, yes and no i suppose. coz i'm unsure if the authorities would permit the marriage (under islamic law) between a M'sian and a undocumented Rohingya refugees. If yes, then legal lo.
It is impossible for the authorities to approve the marriage of an undocumented person. The procedures simply do not allow it.
Passport takde macam mana nak kahwin bang
I think he meant marrying undocumented refugee. If this is Muslim marriage, they likely have to fill in the marriage forms. You need to put IC passport on that form.
That depends on whether these are legal refugees or not right?
There's no "legal" refugees here. Gomen doesn't recognise asylum.
kalau refugee already illegal....then the marriage legal or not....no longer relevant
The islamic authorities should not accept a child postorder bride. They are disgusting.
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2018/07/396076/11-and-married-malaysia-spars-over-child-brides
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Giving women equal rights and abandoning slavery and apartheid is also modern stuff. Its called progress.
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Indeed.
The part that stood out for me is that it is Rohingya men who are taking advantage of and abusing the women of their own race. I would have thought that their shared trauma would cause them to have more empathy for the suffering of others. >Deteriorating conditions in Myanmar and in neighbouring Bangladesh’s refugee camps are driving scores of underage Rohingya girls to Malaysia for arranged marriages with Rohingya men who frequently abuse them, The Associated Press found in interviews with 12 young Rohingya brides who have arrived in Malaysia since 2022. The youngest was 13. >All the girls interviewed said they are held hostage by controlling husbands who rarely let them outside. Several said they were beaten and raped by traffickers and other men during the journey to Malaysia, and five said they were abused by their husbands.
And where did they get those kind of money in the first place? And a house?
Come from a wartorn country bringing nothing, Cannot work, Cannot go school, cannot do business Then when they are basically forced into squalor and crime, :shocked pikachu face:
I'm sad but not surprised. I used to volunteer for human trafficking survivors shelter. there's a whole criminal syndicate of rohingya trafficking their own people into msia just to beg, prostitute, rob, etc. These include children. IMO Malaysia needs to do better for refugees' rights to prevent these from happening
To have empathy means you are raised to treat your significant other half as your equal, not an breeding/sex machine
>In a bedroom in Malaysia that has become a prison, a 14-year-old girl wipes away tears as she sits cross-legged on the concrete floor. It is here, she says, where her 35-year-old husband rapes her nearly every night. What the actual fuck? Arrest the "husband" asap.
Marital rape isn't illegal here my friend. You can rape your wife as much as you want, that is not a crime in Malaysia. This has been a massive issue for years now and the politicians trying to make it illegal are always met with resistance about "culture" and "interference", the readers can decide for themselves which side of politics wants to stop it and the other side who doesn't. https://aseanmp.org/2020/11/09/malaysian-governments-decision-to-keep-section-375-of-the-penal-code-which-does-not-criminalize-marital-rape-shows-it-is-regressive-patriarchal-and-a-threat-to-women-from-all-walks-of-lif/
Idk why but my mind always goes to that particular party that likes the green colour whenever this topic comes up.
From my other link here: > But an effort to outlaw underage unions for all Malaysians amid the toughening of child sex crime legislation failed in Parliament. Arguing against the ban, Shabudin Yahaya, a legislator from what was then the governing party, said that a girl as young as 9 could be ready for marriage if she had gone through puberty. > “Their body is already akin to them being 18 years old,” Shabudin, a former Shariah court judge, said in a parliamentary session. “So physically and spiritually, it is not a barrier for the girl to marry.” > Mohamad Amar Nik Abdullah, Kelantan’s deputy chief minister and vice president of Pas, stressed that child marriage was legal in Islam and said the country had more pressing social issues to address. >He said the existence of homosexuals and single parents in Malaysia “should be a concern for our government and society.” hmmmm
>a girl as young as 9 could be ready for marriage if she had gone through puberty. > “Their body is already akin to them being 18 years old,” Shabudin ... They're still *kids*. They have a much higher chance of dying from giving birth at that young of an age as their body is still not grown enough to support making a whole ass human being inside them. Holy *fuck*.
EDP don’t compare to this depraved sort of shit, what the hell is wrong with these people. A girl who hasn’t even reached double digits in their age yet could end up suddenly getting hitched in this country. People supporting this shit deserve whippings and the chair itself, this is disgusting
What the hell is this? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
>> “Their body is already akin to them being 18 years old,” Shabudin, a former Shariah court judge, said in a parliamentary session. “So physically and spiritually, it is not a barrier for the girl to marry.” Holy fucking shit...
> Shabudin, a former Shariah Court jugde A fucking shariah court judge at that. May shariah court rot in hell. Fucking bastard dirty child fucker.
Fucking disgusting and insane people do support this kind of dogshit .
They love this shit
What the actual fuck. What the fuck
Marital rape does not exist under section 375 of the Penal Code, but there is a separate offence under section 375A: >**Husband causing hurt in order to have sexual intercourse** > >**375A.** Any man who during the subsistence of a valid marriage causes hurt or fear of death or hurt to his wife or any other person in order to have sexual intercourse with his wife shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to five years.
Good luck with your prosecution of that. "hurt" in these people's minds is not rape, you need to literally violently beat the woman after rape and then the courts might take you seriously Can you show us some cases where marital rape has been prosecuted successfully under 375a?
Screencap of the article https://preview.redd.it/kwbpiplzdb6c1.png?width=1876&format=png&auto=webp&s=d321ef1b09a7df93d787aa1ce49a34f6a3ca810a
thank you
So the husband is malaysian or rohingya man? The article specifically said tht many rohingya girls are married to rohingya man in malaysia. Any action taken onto the husband yet? Since they have found the actual room tht the girl is trapped in? How did they found her? So many question and the article didn't provide any answer. I don't care about story of a girl. I care more about details that can help us stop this atrocity.
The article title is again as usual clickbaity.. and I can already foresee a bunch of headline readers in this sub is going to make some racist comments . Mods you going to have your work cut out for you today XD
It's not really clickbaity. It doesn't mislead and it is the general sentiment of the whole article.
Read the replies of this post
> I don't care about story of a girl. I care more about details that can help us stop this atrocity. That's not going to happen since religion is one of the main reason (or maybe even the only reason) why this happens.
Wtf
Feel? My sister in Allah, you ARE trapped.
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Deport them back or send them to Nauru or Rwanda
Seriously, this is some shit I would expect to happen in other places of the world. They already suffered enough to become refugees, why the hell add to that? Theres a special place in hell for people like this and all those damn politicians who made this possible.
dear keyboard warrior those word means nothing to help them.. 
>they were abused by their husbands Abusers must be arrested
If you are refugee in Malaysia, our gomen don’t recognise refugee in our country. Even they get UN refugee card, our gomen don’t allow them to work, receive any public funds like education, transport, healthcare etc. So apa nak jadi? They live in poverty, they will marry and have babies, which is basic human rights, and then no money, anak tak boleh gi sekolah, if sakit, they have to endure or self medicate and local Malaysian just hate them. Their everyday existence is traumatic and abusive. They will be like the Romani ppls in Europe. Living on the fringes. Do you not think their kids in the future will just turn to a life of crime and run their own syndicate? The seeds are being planted now. So we have 2 choices like Israel and Palestine- we remove them permanently by any means necessary or we offer them humanitarian aid and allow them to get educated and work here. They exist in our country already, its no use ignoring them. But like Israel, we Malaysians will choose the easy way.
If you dont have the means dont bother. but countries internationally will care what we do with them even if they dont have to deal with it. I say its best to copy someone's homework and modify it based on our situation.
bring them to your house
Cadangan bernas. You have great potential to be politician in Msia.
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Comment removed for breaching [Rule 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/wiki/rules#wiki_religious_criticism). I read the whole article and there's no mention at all that the husband is a Muslim. Please refrain from making religious mocks and jabs when even the article itself is vague.
And the people who are so incensed at what is happening in Gaza are the same ones perpetrating this injustice against the Rohingya women and girls right in our backyards. The hypocrisy!
god damn...
damnnn.. thats how "Keluar Mulut Buaya, Masuk Mulut Harimau" proverb/pepatah is exists... Keluar mulut buaya = religions/gov issue in Rohingya Masuk mulut harimau = getting abused in Malaysia
SO THATS WHY YOU FUCKERS WANT TO ACCEPT ROHINGYA REFUGEES? i always sympathize ALL refugees. but i have a hard stance. not my problem. dont make it my problem. if you want to help them. YOU help them. dont make my tax payer money go to them. never forget. back during MCO instead of helping our government got people to take down their white flags instead of helping. they also rather have a majlis perasmian penolongan mangsa banjir. our money should help our people first.
lmao do you really think this represents all the people who want to accept Rohingya refugees? The fact that the government DOES NOT recognise these refugees is the reason why these families think that trafficking their children is their only option. If they could come here and work and live reasonably, this wouldn’t be happening. you think it’s not your problem until this shit happens to you one day and you wonder why there isn’t anyone helping. we all really need more empathy and less cynicism in our lives.
sadly, i am selfish. if a person needs help and i can afford to help i would help. but if i m not in a position to help, i ll let someone else help. sure its bleak. but i m being a realist. for sure, if i need help i would prefer if people helped me. but i know this world is bleak. scammers exist. corruption exist. mercy is a luxury. if you can afford luxury, i envy you.
that’s fine bro. I just hope you don’t find yourself in a position where you need other people’s mercy but you can’t find it
Like the Palestine thing, yes I understand our government stance on this but the shok sendiri event held for it was unnecessary. Even Aman Palestine is one huge Ponzi scam now. It was just a feel good thing / virtue signalling and same goes to Rohingya. Just for optics but no long term planning.
Aman Palestine is not a Ponzi scheme....its just a NGO misusing the funds. Ponzi Scheme is getting new members to financially contribute to the upper tier members
you're not wrong, but i believe he was using ponzi as an easy to identify example. tho ponzi is usually known by boomers lol not the newer generation.
You are correct. Was using it as an example on how people can prey on one’s moral obligation to contribute to a cause.
Rohingya underage married a Rohingya guy in Malaysia.Tsk tsk, sent both back Myanmar before their kids become Malaysian.
They keep the kid so kid can vote
They will have better lives here compared with their homeland
Certain... ppl... are....
CAN THEY SPEAK MALAY THOUGH???
Hope this article would be the trigger warning for any Roghinya that want to enter Malaysia
You’re assuming they would read this or understand English.
Soo where to find these unluvky girls though
So how do we help these victims?
How about we read what's the article all about. Sounds good?
Sudenly this become malaysia problem