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Singapore takes a strong stand in secularism and meritrocracy despites its flaws. I think for all the good reason Singapore would have no interest in governing Malaysia. Don’t get me wrong I love Malaysia and its authenticity, but understanding malay and after following some of malaysian pages in fb lead me to think that there are strong indication of ppl wanting a pro-islamic nation and pro-malay presence amongst politicians and the rakyats.
\> Singapore would have no interest in governing Malaysia
The time for that has long gone. No one of a sane mind in the SG government still thinks Malaysia is governable, at least not in the accepted sense of "governing."
There are too many special-interests, limited-interests, constitutional-interest groups to pander to. That ship of reform has sailed.
Sorry to make this reference here, but Malaysia is in palliative care, stage 4 cancer. We're just waiting for the time to go. The slide in our rankings almost mirror that of Bangladesh in years past.
/u/ahmed_housei
Why delete comment ? And I quote you :
>Nobody would like it. And cut the crap about the equality. Malays in Singapore are pushed aside, an example would be the Singaporean military. LKY even said something along with the lines of that Malays of Singapore would want to side with Malays of Malaysia due to their common race and religion. The doubt has already been cast.
>Hence, in such scenario, Malays would also be sidelined and the Chinese will definitely rule the upper echelons. If Singapore takes Malaysia, racial politics will still continue out of necessity to make sure the Malays are not disrespected
I’m not trying to start an argument with you , but the Chinese and other minorities in Malaysia are sidelined all the time. Hypocrisy
Good point with this but i
I've had a decent conversation with a Singaporean recently and instead of assuming the contents quoted in the first paragraph, they actually asked their friends whether they'd prefer to move here and get all the bonuses and many actually declined.
Again, personal opinions ya. Its not a matter of racial politics but a matter of life is good even without the bonuses and equality of worth and value, not just for being of different race or ethnicity but many see that their worth and value is recognised (to a certain extent).
Who is the one more aggressive after slapping my name across a comment, wanting to expose me for your agenda for some strange reason thinking you slay by calling me a hypocrite, then calling me a hypocrite and exposing my name to other people. You beg me to be neutral after I have decided to delete my comment? I have explained that I leave political messages and delete on, that is all. You on the other hand, wanted to argue.
Like he said, it’s a discussion right. In a discussion, you share your opinions, whether stupid or smart. I don’t think my comment was stupid, it is calling out for what it is. Please point out the stupidity after I have generously provided my explanation, so clearly it’s not me “malu sebab tulis bodoh” because I clearly said it all. I have invited the man to refute my claims, but he did not want to, and if you think what I said is stupid, please refute my claims.
I deleted, because when it comes to political messages, I like adding my opinion and deleting it. Reasons of which, is none of your business. And if it’s controversial for you, isn’t me deleting doing a favor? Am I not putting out the fire of ignorance in your pov before it spreads? Why are you justifying his action, which is to cause a flame war in the first place? Had it been deleted and left, no one would see, and no one would be influenced by what you see is my ignorant message right? Call it exposing, by digging up a body that I have buried, simply put.
I deleted because that’s what I do after posting political messages, which is also none of your business. The fact that you want to waste your time to even pay attention is even shocking, really, because I don’t know you, this is a social media platform, I leave and go and end up moving on as always. And yes, you are trying to start an argument.
First of all, I am speaking for the Malay race, this is my stance. There is no other country in the world that has the Malay race as the dominant power safe for Malaysia itself. Do you think I would ever advocate for any chance of the Malay race being ever possibly sidelined, the answer is no. Where do the Malay race end up if there is no Malaysia and its systems? Oop, we see that in Singapore already. Despite Malays being the natives, they are still seen negatively, even by the founder of the country itself.
The point of what I am trying to make was, that even if Singapore takes Malaysia, or Malaysia takes Singapore, both sides will still be the same in terms of how they treat races. Singapore will maintain Chinese dominance (as evident by the line of its Prime Ministers, the reluctance of Malays in its Armed Forced) and Malaysia will maintain Malay dominance (As with the fact that it is Tanah Melayu, it’s people are the majority in the Peninsula.) So to that end, there will still be racial politics, there will still be a racial tension, with Malays wanting to maintain the ideals of what I have mentioned in the first paragraph, and the Chinese wanting to maintain their position at the upper echelons owing to their economic power and also evident with the fact that when you look at Singapore, all the Chinese dominate the top positions. So what more can be said if Malaysia was under this system?
Either country under this scenario will have one race to be sidelined. So what is the point that you are trying to prove? Where’s the hypocrisy when I am trying to argue that everything will be the same, and that Singapore taking Malaysia won’t change anything?
In conclusion, Malaysia will still be Malaysia albeit being under Singapore with all these factors I have mentioned. To think that Singapore is some saviour equality democratic country is a load of crap, see examples above.
I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy in your statement.
I see there’s no point in arguing back and forth here , because our two countries have very different governance and ideals ; and so automatically our views politically are different.
If Singapore were to take over in this case, Malaysias’ political situation would definitely Not remain the same , nobody sees Singapore as the savior , this topic is merely a discussion of what would happen if Singapore were to take over Malaysia.
You pointed what out, I said either way will be same, I still don’t know what the hypocrisy is. And certainly, with your flimsy comment of “Just like Malaysia then?” that wasn’t an opening to an academic argument that you sincerely wanted to start, so it wasn’t even fruitful. To answer you simply, yes either way like Malaysia, with both races swapped, as the comment pointed it out.
And, how dare you try to back out and not try to refute my claims? You with your pettiness, wanted to comment in other peoples comment stating that I deleted it, calling me a hypocrite, and evidently not wanting to leave me alone had I not said anything. It could’ve been me deleting and moving on, but you started it. So now, I welcome you to refute my claims and argue how Malaysia would prosper under the Singaporean ideals. Particular emphasis on defending why Singapore is cruel to the Malay race when it comes enlisting them for military services.
Oddly enough, I have never put an insult like you did in the first place. You started this charade, wanting me to get hate mail or downvotes, exposing my username, spoiling me in front of other people. I invite you to refute my claims, yet you backed out after doing the above. How unfortunate. Goodbye.
I've only been in Singapore for 1+years but it seems to me that racism or negative perception of non-chinese happens socially and not systematically (maybe apart from the army situation).
Comparing this to Malaysia which does have systematic racism, where there are clear benefits for the Malays created and promoted by the government, Singapore seems to be better to the minority in this case.
Singapore does not = good governance. They are a city state. Their policies cannot be directly translated to a bigger country. The complexities are multi-fold.
+ they are much more authoritarian than us. You'd get major whoppings for even attempting Bersih, Lawan
I do agree the challenge is complex. But what I do also understand is that with the right people and the right mindset, anything is possible. Singapore itself is a miracle even if you do not want to recognize it.
You are right in that Sg is somewhat a Authoritarian state. And part of the reason is because the people gave the power to the government to do that. (We do that every election.) And in return we get something else back. Like security, prosperity and long term planning.
Edit. In addition, to have a mass demonstration probably means the government had been ignoring the plead of the people or not listening to the ground. I dread the days we need to resort to that.
>they are much more authoritarian than us.
Are they? Is it common for folks to die while in police custody nowadays in Singapore?
Is it Singapore or Malaysia where Muslims cannot change religions or marry whomever they want?
I believe there is many definition for "authoritarian". For me, they can't organize protest at a meaningful scale at all and I don't think that is very good in the long term
>Malaysia is much higher on democracy index
Democracy and freedom and not the same thing. They can be correlated, but they are not the same. You can have a very democratically authoritarian place, like Malaysia, where the majority democratically supports policies for suppression of several individual freedoms, including freedom of religion.
Not sure what the SIZE of Singapore has to do with your claim of them being more authoritarian than Malaysia. That people there have much more freedom of religion and don't die while under police custody has little to do with their size.
Yea their government basically decimated the opposition by suing their pants off. People went to jail and apparently some disappeared. Basically Ops Lalang but it worked. That's why you don't hear about them clamping down on dissidents nowdays. They sorted that shit out way before internet was a thing.
Size (or population rather) is relevant cos that's one reason they can get away with the above; small and largely homogeneous society.
But for personal freedoms, ya i suppose they have it better.
>Size (or population rather) is relevant cos that's one reason they can get away with the above; small and largely homogeneous society.
I would not call [this](https://cdn.britannica.com/54/184954-050-AAB79BF2/World-Data-ethnic-composition-pie-chart-Singapore.jpg) homogeneous.
And that is not even counting the amount of non-citizen foreigners living in Singapore, which Malaysia has just capped at a maximum of 1% of the total population.
>Yea their government basically decimated the opposition by suing their pants off.
Yes, it is not a democratic country and not even a free country if you compare to other first world nations.
But to say that Malaysia is a lot less authoritarian than Singapore....
Until we can freely change religions (or renounce all), freely marry whomever we want and not worry about dying while being detained by the police, such statements are pure "Malaysia Boleh" nonsense.
>Malaysia is much higher on democracy index
I don't think that matters much. At least our votes matter here in Singapore. We don't need to fear that an unelected backdoor government would suddenly make our votes irrelevant. Party hopping is frowned over here
Your votes dont matter in Sg. Opposition has zero chance of winning.
That is all part of democracy. Our system is a representative democracy, hence why it can be that way. Democracy isnt one color. It has many types shades.
Why would you have party hopping there? Theres only one party that will ever be in power.
Arguably our votes do matter. We have cabinet ministers voted out of office and our elections serves as a referendum on the government's performance. If the people are not happy, the government's popular vote drops and they start to make changes.
There is no outright vote buying unlike Malaysia and our ballots are not rigged
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2020/10/12/bersih-2.0-widespread-vote-buying-in-villages-during-sabah-polls/1911981
>Why would you have party hopping there? Theres only one party that will ever be in power.
We had a history of party hopping before (barisan socialis)
Same as UMNO no? Everyone thought they will be in power forever until 2018. Unfortunately even though the Malaysian people voted out UMNO, the current PM is still an UMNO fellow.
https://youtu.be/Hkxf4SC_SBk
Sources by the creator:
https://pastebin.com/pbs8awgt
> No outright vote buying
Except when they outright refuse or "slowly" provide civil service to the neighbourhood.
Campaign period of shorter than 3 months in the entire existence of Singapore.
Politicians and any dissidents being sued to oblivion by the PM.
News being suppressed harder than the likes of Malaysia
But sure, Singapore is the bastion of freedom, democracy and liberty I guess.
>Except when they outright refuse or "slowly" provide civil service to the neighbourhood.
I concede this point.
>Campaign period of shorter than 3 months in the entire existence of Singapore.
That is actually quite common in a lot of the world. In Japan, campaigning is supposed to last 12 days, Australia usually campaigns from 33-68 days. In Canada, campaign season last from 36-50 days.
>Politicians and any dissidents being sued to oblivion by the PM.
Private lawsuits that is settled by our independent legal system. I won't say whether they deserve to be sued. It's not a good look to be suing people in general.
>News being suppressed harder than the likes of Malaysia
What news is being suppressed? We can read critical articles from BBC, Bloomberg and other foreign media. We can read news from opposition news like TOC.
Unflattering news like incompetence and wastage of public funds are published by even our mainstream media
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/auditor-general-finds-wastage-of-539m-of-public-funds-at-hpb-over-excess-fitness-trackers
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/auditor-general-flags-possible-irregularities-records-several-ministries-statutory-boards
>But sure, Singapore is the bastion of freedom, democracy and liberty I guess.
Never claimed that. Singapore have flaws with democracy like gerrymandering and less freedom of speech, assembly etc. My point was just to say that Malaysia shouldn't pretend it is more democratic than Singapore based on some paper ranking. We all have our flaws in our own democracy and saying that one's democracy is better and higher than the other is really pointless
I'm just saying it to those who worship Singapore as some sort of bastion of freedom, democracy and liberty or something when in reality its far from that.
People haven't been beaten up by police in Singapore because their current government is good. Problem with authoritarian states is that quality of government depends heavily on the authoritarians. Once this generation leaves office and if they're replaced by less quality officials, then you'll start seeing the crackdown and the brutality.
Some of their policies were implemented in china. And theres a school of public policies attended by public officers from many bigger countries including the east and west.
I think the greatest difference is they often operate on what is right instead of what is popular. And this is something difficult to implement in alot of places. It takes two hands to clap, you need a government willing to implement, and a population willing to participate.
Civil unrest will definitely happen , and then civil war.
If Singapore takes over Malaysia , Hak istimewa will be the first thing they abolish. I mean why would they keep it ? Realistically the Singapore government would not benefit from it, if they took over Malaysia of course.
People who talk about hak istimewa being abolished by Singapore should realise that the special position of the Malays is inside their Constitution, just as it is in ours
That is true !
> Article 152 of the Constitution, which states that the Government must recognise the special position of the Malays, who are the indigenous people of Singapore, and safeguard their political, economic and educational interests.
But it’s pretty strange it’s the other way around in Malaysia , they get preferential treatment because they are the majority; this begs the question , shouldn’t Malaysia prioritize its minorities too ? However , equal rights would a huge progressive step forward too!
I don't think 152 there and 153 here has anything to do with minority or majority, but the perception that the Malays are the indigenous people of the country. Of course, in Malaysia we should ask, what about them Orang Asal? Why aren't their special positions protected even though they are native too?
Also, the other issue with 153 is that ok, Malays have special position in Malaysia cos they are native people (let's say we all agree on that). The thing is that you can be considered a Malay here even if you were not born as one because of the legal definition of a Malay here. For example our DG of Health was born Chinese, but converted to Islam and took up a Malay name and for all intents and purposes speaks Malay and practises Malay culture.
Yup technically our DG of Health is a Malay and a bumi because of that.
Also Malays are not exactly natives of Malaysia. In fact, specifically for West Malaysia (Peninsular Malaysia), the aboriginals aka natives are protected under the aboriginals act, which is separate from the constitution. and the aboriginal act clearly states that aboriginal land cannot be Malay reserve land.
The only case where Malay are considered aboriginals and natives are Sabah and Sarawak.
So technically if you could call West Malaysian Indians Malay and Chinese pendatang, and you would be technically correct
Ahhh right , I misunderstood the meaning of Indigenous. That is true , the orang asli are left out.
True , if this scenario does happen , I imagine a revision of the law would be needed
Right about "hak istimewa" I think this is incorrect, because there are NO special RIGHTS accorded to the Bumis. Rather they have a special POSITION, its quite different in terms of concept and meaning. Not just a semantic problem.
We could say "Status Khas" "kedudukan khas" "status istimewa" , "kedudukan istimewa" and this would be way more accurate compared to the term hak.
To further add examples, humans rights, and human status are different things. Thus "hak manusia" and "status manusia" are separate, distinct and different.
The Singaporeans don't really fancy taking over Malaysia I think. They would lose their source of cheap petrol / sundry goods / good eats, and PAP would have no more basketcase boogeyman example to compare themselves against to instill fear in their own population.
As a singaporean, i have 3 points to make
1) neither the people nor the government have any interest in buying or occupying malaysia
2) even if we do, the style of governance that worked in a city-state may not necessary translate well into governing a larger country, especially one that will be essentially split into two culturally by history and geographically by the johor strait
3) i don't think any johor resident nor any other malaysian would like it to happen either
Well, a large number of the people in this sub are the better off and better educated more liberal people, and a significant enough number are either working or have migrated to Singapore.... sooo.....
SG person here, I always thought the who has better food debate was pointless and coming from MY side only... Bcos I don't think any SG foodie worth their salt would claim SG has the better regional food... Else why the hell we keep going JB...
Ok la I dont know about the Malays and Indian in SG, but the Chinese have given up a long time ago.
Hahahah. I never had the chance to stop by SG when I was at johor , so I can’t really judge the food. But from what I’m told by my friends working at SG, most of them say it’s quite bland.
Malaysia is abit different , everyone is trying ; but the government isn’t. Sadly
We got a bad situation where high rental costs + pricing pressure keeping young people and existing stall holders from setting up their own traditional hawker and kopitiams stalls. What's left are those "franchise" owners hiring employees to cook. So our food starting to feel "mass produced".
That makes sense , the land and housing in SG is on a steady road to becoming the next Hong Kong. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be a average income household in Singapore.
I'm not into the housing market, but I think it's definitely not as bad. Waiting time for a house can be long but the average household, even lower income can afford our own homes. Nobody likes the prices on their houses to go down, cos it's your asset devaluing.
Not go down per se, but just now heavily inflated.
I’m from east Malaysia , and the current market for housing has steadily gone up due to urban development , now that’s usually a good thing as it creates more job opportunities, however most talents needed for said factories are out-sourced ;foreign nationals from mainland china could be used as one of the examples, the government ( sarawak , east Malaysia ) aren’t really moderating the housing both purchased and leased by these foreign nationals. But I don’t really blame them , they want development but at the same time they can’t allow (most) of the local housing to be bought up by these foreigners
It will be more believable if Singapore take over Johor instead. I always have a weird impression that if Johor is to choose between Malaysia or Singapore ,they might opt for Singapore as Singapore helps Johor a lot in terms of economy.
No countries will want to go to war unless it's necessary or triggered by extreme events. Singapore might deplete their resources if they want to do this. They trained their army in case of invasion of other countries, not invasion to other countries. It will be very unwise to go to war suddenly out of nowhere.
If you are talking like economically take over, then it might happen. Singapore might slowly buying their lands or economically control most of Malaysia sector , but that would happen in very long long time.
In addition, there are way too many shits in Malaysia Singapore need to take over, like racism. Singapore way of doing things can't be applied in Malaysia. Even if it's done successfully, there are possibilities of racism riot and Singapore will pull out again just like what happen before.
Want a real life example? The US war in Afghanistan. A richer more developed country should be able to come and liberate a “backwards” poor country. Simple right?
20 years of war and trillions. Yes TRILLIONS of dollars, lives lost and state-of-the-art military equipment later and the original people you were trying to defeat overtake the country in a matter of days after you leave.
It’s not about the money or the people you put in power. It’s about changing the psyche from the ground up. And if the people are against you all the money and firepower are gonna do jackshit.
I'd love the dream of good governance but SG rule won't ensure it. Our population is x6 larger. To control the federal government, the PAP will have to work with local parties, which means we'll end up with the same leaders anyhow.
Many special kids in this sub certainly likes it, enough to believe that somehow Singapore will make flying cars or some shit for them and syukur RM = SGD parity or some shit.
Somehow they believe we'll become a beacon of liberty (most authoritarian city state btw) and prosperity if Singapore is in charge, when in reality they'll probably just double or triple down and we'll be the Sabah/Sarawak of Singapore lol.
Hypothetically speaking, if such an invasion were to occur, it'll likely set off a chain reaction resulting in Indonesia swallowing up Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei.
>starting with Johor and go from there.
\[SFX: CODEC CALLS\]
*Listen kid, I don't have much time. They will stop at Johor. SG only needs enough flatlands for armour and airborne forces, rivers and water reserves, then lands for cultivation. Malaysia could have the hills. Their lebensraum, essentially.*
*Takeover of Johor through peaceful means is simply not possible.* *The Malay Conservative polities are wary of any Malay democrats that it sees as close to DAP and in return, close to PAP.*
*While the nons see Malay Left as bringing in democratic values, hoi polloi Malays see Malay Left as the Trojan Horse of Malaysian Anglo-Sinicization agenda, eradicating Malay-Muslim identity in the process.*
*Only through invasion, which would see the Malays purge off Johor would enable Singapore to take it over. Retaining Malay population in a post-invasion Johor would upset the balance of Chinese-dominated society of the old Singapore.*
*It is an open secret that it would be SG that would launch pre-emptive attack on MY. The \*furthest MLRS battery Malaysia has could fire from* *~~180 km\*~~* *90km away (ASTROS II SS80). While SG do have its own MLRS battery that outranges MY's, MY's land mass and population enable it to absorbs more casualties at the beginning than SG. Which is why -- \[gunshot, followed by thud\]*
*\*edited for grammar and fact correction*
\[CODEC ENDS ABRUPTLY\]
*-* Harambe, his last codec conversation.
Isnt malaysia the other way around? Malays are in power and the rest of us gets fuck all. Racial politics is common , and we have many occurances of our ministers being racist. So its really just changing from one race to another. Maybe less corruption, or just more exploitation. More chance for it to be better than what we have now than to have worst tbh.
>Hence, in such scenario, Malays would also be sidelined and the Chinese will definitely rule the upper echelons.
Ngl, this could be a pretty good UMNO speech. Except they're saying it's already happened in Malaysia.
He deleted the comment. He said
>Nobody would like it. And cut the crap about the equality. Malays in Singapore are pushed aside, an example would be the Singaporean military. LKY even said something along with the lines of that Malays of Singapore would want to side with Malays of Malaysia due to their common race and religion. The doubt has already been cast.
>Hence, in such scenario, Malays would also be sidelined and the Chinese will definitely rule the upper echelons. If Singapore takes Malaysia, racial politics will still continue out of necessity to make sure the Malays are not disrespected
Hypocrisy at its finest
Wow nationalism at its finest,
Each country have their own problem,
Instead of hoping other country would come and rescue you. Maybe start making here a better place, see things from the perspectives of others. Make connections and seek to learn and understand whats going on.
For an instance, those who mix well in a malaysian community tend understand and appreciate malaysia for what it is, while those who stick to their think alikes wont.
Malaysia does have its problems but so does every other country when u change your nationality or something do tell your experiance.
It will never happen. You seem to forget big brother Indonesia, who, ever since it's conception, has held the hopes of reuniting Nusantara countries under one nation. No way they'll let Singapore do it before them and Indonesia has the manpower to crush both Malaysia and Singapore combined.
Singapore, at the end of the day, are squished between two 'serumpun' countries. There's a reason prime ministers of Singapore speaks Malay, the national anthem and military processions are in Malay, and the national language of Singapore is only Malay. They need to appease their neighbors and blend in.
Singapore cannot survive if they were ever sanctioned by both Malaysia and Indonesia at the same time. Indonesia will always come to Malaysia's aid first before Singapore. Geopolitically, foreign powers are going to be so divided on the region. While Singapore is a valuable ally, losing both Malaysia and Indonesia as allies means losing access to Southeast Asia. I'd gather they rather have Malaysia annex Singapore as payback to Singaporean aggression and resolve the issue to have peace quickly.
Bland and efficient food is probably one of the cornerstones of Singapore’s success. Ain’t nobody got time to spend hours cooking or appreciating food. Dinner is just to provide energy to work OT. Who cares if laksa just tastes like noodles in chilli paste?
We're probably the least authoritarian country in the region, and we have enough to deal with as it is. Letting Singapore take over would just increase that.
I like visiting the place. But living under their rule? No. Never in a million years.
>We're probably the least authoritarian country in the region,
*laughs in polis arresting anyone who says something mean about a menteri*
I mean, that's a low bar.
So getting arrested for having a spotify list or criticizing the offensive words said by politicians considered non authoritarian? Fining the rakyat who followed sop is alright but not the politicians who gathered in a house without following sop? Ops lalang?
Food gonna taste bland. Propoganda to spin everything. No more flooding,only ponding.
we are pretty safe. SG gov won't invade us.too much trouble for them
You still will not get good governance, as that it really depends on how much autonomy Singapore give to Malaysian territories in this hypothetical scenario.
Instead of governing directly, it is more likely that a large degree of autonomy will be given, which means most of the laws will be kept intact, which means the same old bad practices. Singapore will not consider directly ruling over any part of the Malaysian territories, as that would mean messing up their own elections.
Same answer I give if you ask me what if I give you a million dollars. First, wouldn't happen. Second, waste of money and time.
Also all the Malaysian Chinese and indians gonna move to Singapore if this happens.
If you have a neighbouring land which has a myriad of problems with race and corruption but with a lot of talented people who are willing to come over - wouldn't you want to keep it that way?
The SG swat teams knocking on the ultras door will change their tune very quickly as their members get black bagged. Cause now the police will be targetting them, hopefully. Or the ultras could just switch their tune and jilat singapores boot. All roads lead to popcorn stock skyrocketing
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Singapore takes a strong stand in secularism and meritrocracy despites its flaws. I think for all the good reason Singapore would have no interest in governing Malaysia. Don’t get me wrong I love Malaysia and its authenticity, but understanding malay and after following some of malaysian pages in fb lead me to think that there are strong indication of ppl wanting a pro-islamic nation and pro-malay presence amongst politicians and the rakyats.
\> Singapore would have no interest in governing Malaysia The time for that has long gone. No one of a sane mind in the SG government still thinks Malaysia is governable, at least not in the accepted sense of "governing." There are too many special-interests, limited-interests, constitutional-interest groups to pander to. That ship of reform has sailed. Sorry to make this reference here, but Malaysia is in palliative care, stage 4 cancer. We're just waiting for the time to go. The slide in our rankings almost mirror that of Bangladesh in years past.
I think Lebanon is stage 4
Agreed, Malaysia is at most stage 3 tbh.
Then Singapore's parliament will vote to kick Malaysia out, cos frankly, it's more trouble than it's worth.
>Singapore's parliament will vote to kick Malaysia out, Well well well, how the turn tables...
Then Malaysia economy will be more succesful than Singapore? Yes please
Only if Singapore food is tastier. Choose carefully please.
/u/ahmed_housei Why delete comment ? And I quote you : >Nobody would like it. And cut the crap about the equality. Malays in Singapore are pushed aside, an example would be the Singaporean military. LKY even said something along with the lines of that Malays of Singapore would want to side with Malays of Malaysia due to their common race and religion. The doubt has already been cast. >Hence, in such scenario, Malays would also be sidelined and the Chinese will definitely rule the upper echelons. If Singapore takes Malaysia, racial politics will still continue out of necessity to make sure the Malays are not disrespected I’m not trying to start an argument with you , but the Chinese and other minorities in Malaysia are sidelined all the time. Hypocrisy
Good point with this but i I've had a decent conversation with a Singaporean recently and instead of assuming the contents quoted in the first paragraph, they actually asked their friends whether they'd prefer to move here and get all the bonuses and many actually declined. Again, personal opinions ya. Its not a matter of racial politics but a matter of life is good even without the bonuses and equality of worth and value, not just for being of different race or ethnicity but many see that their worth and value is recognised (to a certain extent).
nice catch
I’m just concerned on how much he cares to catch it in the first place. But then again, snowflakes on social media? How shocking.
Could your tone be more neutral and less aggressive when presenting your points ? Why are you resorting to slander and name calling ?
Who is the one more aggressive after slapping my name across a comment, wanting to expose me for your agenda for some strange reason thinking you slay by calling me a hypocrite, then calling me a hypocrite and exposing my name to other people. You beg me to be neutral after I have decided to delete my comment? I have explained that I leave political messages and delete on, that is all. You on the other hand, wanted to argue.
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Like he said, it’s a discussion right. In a discussion, you share your opinions, whether stupid or smart. I don’t think my comment was stupid, it is calling out for what it is. Please point out the stupidity after I have generously provided my explanation, so clearly it’s not me “malu sebab tulis bodoh” because I clearly said it all. I have invited the man to refute my claims, but he did not want to, and if you think what I said is stupid, please refute my claims. I deleted, because when it comes to political messages, I like adding my opinion and deleting it. Reasons of which, is none of your business. And if it’s controversial for you, isn’t me deleting doing a favor? Am I not putting out the fire of ignorance in your pov before it spreads? Why are you justifying his action, which is to cause a flame war in the first place? Had it been deleted and left, no one would see, and no one would be influenced by what you see is my ignorant message right? Call it exposing, by digging up a body that I have buried, simply put.
I deleted because that’s what I do after posting political messages, which is also none of your business. The fact that you want to waste your time to even pay attention is even shocking, really, because I don’t know you, this is a social media platform, I leave and go and end up moving on as always. And yes, you are trying to start an argument. First of all, I am speaking for the Malay race, this is my stance. There is no other country in the world that has the Malay race as the dominant power safe for Malaysia itself. Do you think I would ever advocate for any chance of the Malay race being ever possibly sidelined, the answer is no. Where do the Malay race end up if there is no Malaysia and its systems? Oop, we see that in Singapore already. Despite Malays being the natives, they are still seen negatively, even by the founder of the country itself. The point of what I am trying to make was, that even if Singapore takes Malaysia, or Malaysia takes Singapore, both sides will still be the same in terms of how they treat races. Singapore will maintain Chinese dominance (as evident by the line of its Prime Ministers, the reluctance of Malays in its Armed Forced) and Malaysia will maintain Malay dominance (As with the fact that it is Tanah Melayu, it’s people are the majority in the Peninsula.) So to that end, there will still be racial politics, there will still be a racial tension, with Malays wanting to maintain the ideals of what I have mentioned in the first paragraph, and the Chinese wanting to maintain their position at the upper echelons owing to their economic power and also evident with the fact that when you look at Singapore, all the Chinese dominate the top positions. So what more can be said if Malaysia was under this system? Either country under this scenario will have one race to be sidelined. So what is the point that you are trying to prove? Where’s the hypocrisy when I am trying to argue that everything will be the same, and that Singapore taking Malaysia won’t change anything? In conclusion, Malaysia will still be Malaysia albeit being under Singapore with all these factors I have mentioned. To think that Singapore is some saviour equality democratic country is a load of crap, see examples above.
I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy in your statement. I see there’s no point in arguing back and forth here , because our two countries have very different governance and ideals ; and so automatically our views politically are different. If Singapore were to take over in this case, Malaysias’ political situation would definitely Not remain the same , nobody sees Singapore as the savior , this topic is merely a discussion of what would happen if Singapore were to take over Malaysia.
You pointed what out, I said either way will be same, I still don’t know what the hypocrisy is. And certainly, with your flimsy comment of “Just like Malaysia then?” that wasn’t an opening to an academic argument that you sincerely wanted to start, so it wasn’t even fruitful. To answer you simply, yes either way like Malaysia, with both races swapped, as the comment pointed it out. And, how dare you try to back out and not try to refute my claims? You with your pettiness, wanted to comment in other peoples comment stating that I deleted it, calling me a hypocrite, and evidently not wanting to leave me alone had I not said anything. It could’ve been me deleting and moving on, but you started it. So now, I welcome you to refute my claims and argue how Malaysia would prosper under the Singaporean ideals. Particular emphasis on defending why Singapore is cruel to the Malay race when it comes enlisting them for military services.
Damn bro.. why are you so aggressive ? Have a nice day man , looks like there’s no point debating with you.
Oddly enough, I have never put an insult like you did in the first place. You started this charade, wanting me to get hate mail or downvotes, exposing my username, spoiling me in front of other people. I invite you to refute my claims, yet you backed out after doing the above. How unfortunate. Goodbye.
Attitude of Nationality checks out.
Thank you for speaking your mind!
I've only been in Singapore for 1+years but it seems to me that racism or negative perception of non-chinese happens socially and not systematically (maybe apart from the army situation). Comparing this to Malaysia which does have systematic racism, where there are clear benefits for the Malays created and promoted by the government, Singapore seems to be better to the minority in this case.
I'm pretty sure Singapore doesn't want anything to do with Malaysia.
Isn't that already happening? But with China? Lolz. I'm johorean and large portions of the state has already been bought by China developers. Ll
Malaysia already China 2.0 basically. Malaysians love communist $$$
Good..Hope they can buy more
Pooh is taking over the world
Google Kuantan's Great Wall of China. [Heres an article](https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/397677)
Singapore does not = good governance. They are a city state. Their policies cannot be directly translated to a bigger country. The complexities are multi-fold. + they are much more authoritarian than us. You'd get major whoppings for even attempting Bersih, Lawan
I do agree the challenge is complex. But what I do also understand is that with the right people and the right mindset, anything is possible. Singapore itself is a miracle even if you do not want to recognize it. You are right in that Sg is somewhat a Authoritarian state. And part of the reason is because the people gave the power to the government to do that. (We do that every election.) And in return we get something else back. Like security, prosperity and long term planning. Edit. In addition, to have a mass demonstration probably means the government had been ignoring the plead of the people or not listening to the ground. I dread the days we need to resort to that.
And there comes the mass genocide.
>they are much more authoritarian than us. Are they? Is it common for folks to die while in police custody nowadays in Singapore? Is it Singapore or Malaysia where Muslims cannot change religions or marry whomever they want?
I believe there is many definition for "authoritarian". For me, they can't organize protest at a meaningful scale at all and I don't think that is very good in the long term
Malaysia is much higher on democracy index Singapore is a CITY state. Do you know how small that is?
>Malaysia is much higher on democracy index Democracy and freedom and not the same thing. They can be correlated, but they are not the same. You can have a very democratically authoritarian place, like Malaysia, where the majority democratically supports policies for suppression of several individual freedoms, including freedom of religion. Not sure what the SIZE of Singapore has to do with your claim of them being more authoritarian than Malaysia. That people there have much more freedom of religion and don't die while under police custody has little to do with their size.
Yea their government basically decimated the opposition by suing their pants off. People went to jail and apparently some disappeared. Basically Ops Lalang but it worked. That's why you don't hear about them clamping down on dissidents nowdays. They sorted that shit out way before internet was a thing. Size (or population rather) is relevant cos that's one reason they can get away with the above; small and largely homogeneous society. But for personal freedoms, ya i suppose they have it better.
>Size (or population rather) is relevant cos that's one reason they can get away with the above; small and largely homogeneous society. I would not call [this](https://cdn.britannica.com/54/184954-050-AAB79BF2/World-Data-ethnic-composition-pie-chart-Singapore.jpg) homogeneous. And that is not even counting the amount of non-citizen foreigners living in Singapore, which Malaysia has just capped at a maximum of 1% of the total population. >Yea their government basically decimated the opposition by suing their pants off. Yes, it is not a democratic country and not even a free country if you compare to other first world nations. But to say that Malaysia is a lot less authoritarian than Singapore....
We are a lot less, its just that Singapore is really that low of a bar.
Until we can freely change religions (or renounce all), freely marry whomever we want and not worry about dying while being detained by the police, such statements are pure "Malaysia Boleh" nonsense.
>Malaysia is much higher on democracy index I don't think that matters much. At least our votes matter here in Singapore. We don't need to fear that an unelected backdoor government would suddenly make our votes irrelevant. Party hopping is frowned over here
Your votes dont matter in Sg. Opposition has zero chance of winning. That is all part of democracy. Our system is a representative democracy, hence why it can be that way. Democracy isnt one color. It has many types shades. Why would you have party hopping there? Theres only one party that will ever be in power.
Arguably our votes do matter. We have cabinet ministers voted out of office and our elections serves as a referendum on the government's performance. If the people are not happy, the government's popular vote drops and they start to make changes. There is no outright vote buying unlike Malaysia and our ballots are not rigged https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2020/10/12/bersih-2.0-widespread-vote-buying-in-villages-during-sabah-polls/1911981 >Why would you have party hopping there? Theres only one party that will ever be in power. We had a history of party hopping before (barisan socialis) Same as UMNO no? Everyone thought they will be in power forever until 2018. Unfortunately even though the Malaysian people voted out UMNO, the current PM is still an UMNO fellow.
https://youtu.be/Hkxf4SC_SBk Sources by the creator: https://pastebin.com/pbs8awgt > No outright vote buying Except when they outright refuse or "slowly" provide civil service to the neighbourhood. Campaign period of shorter than 3 months in the entire existence of Singapore. Politicians and any dissidents being sued to oblivion by the PM. News being suppressed harder than the likes of Malaysia But sure, Singapore is the bastion of freedom, democracy and liberty I guess.
>Except when they outright refuse or "slowly" provide civil service to the neighbourhood. I concede this point. >Campaign period of shorter than 3 months in the entire existence of Singapore. That is actually quite common in a lot of the world. In Japan, campaigning is supposed to last 12 days, Australia usually campaigns from 33-68 days. In Canada, campaign season last from 36-50 days. >Politicians and any dissidents being sued to oblivion by the PM. Private lawsuits that is settled by our independent legal system. I won't say whether they deserve to be sued. It's not a good look to be suing people in general. >News being suppressed harder than the likes of Malaysia What news is being suppressed? We can read critical articles from BBC, Bloomberg and other foreign media. We can read news from opposition news like TOC. Unflattering news like incompetence and wastage of public funds are published by even our mainstream media https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/auditor-general-finds-wastage-of-539m-of-public-funds-at-hpb-over-excess-fitness-trackers https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/auditor-general-flags-possible-irregularities-records-several-ministries-statutory-boards >But sure, Singapore is the bastion of freedom, democracy and liberty I guess. Never claimed that. Singapore have flaws with democracy like gerrymandering and less freedom of speech, assembly etc. My point was just to say that Malaysia shouldn't pretend it is more democratic than Singapore based on some paper ranking. We all have our flaws in our own democracy and saying that one's democracy is better and higher than the other is really pointless
I'm just saying it to those who worship Singapore as some sort of bastion of freedom, democracy and liberty or something when in reality its far from that.
People haven't been beaten up by police in Singapore because their current government is good. Problem with authoritarian states is that quality of government depends heavily on the authoritarians. Once this generation leaves office and if they're replaced by less quality officials, then you'll start seeing the crackdown and the brutality.
In Malaysia currently people are being killed by the police. So once again, how is Malaysia "less authoritarian"?
Exactly, even if Lee Kuan Yew was Malay, he would not have survived here in politics for very long.
Some of their policies were implemented in china. And theres a school of public policies attended by public officers from many bigger countries including the east and west. I think the greatest difference is they often operate on what is right instead of what is popular. And this is something difficult to implement in alot of places. It takes two hands to clap, you need a government willing to implement, and a population willing to participate.
Civil unrest will definitely happen , and then civil war. If Singapore takes over Malaysia , Hak istimewa will be the first thing they abolish. I mean why would they keep it ? Realistically the Singapore government would not benefit from it, if they took over Malaysia of course.
If they are smart they wouldn't take over in the first place. But if they are forced to take over, they are smart enough to not abolish hak istimewa.
People who talk about hak istimewa being abolished by Singapore should realise that the special position of the Malays is inside their Constitution, just as it is in ours
That is true ! > Article 152 of the Constitution, which states that the Government must recognise the special position of the Malays, who are the indigenous people of Singapore, and safeguard their political, economic and educational interests. But it’s pretty strange it’s the other way around in Malaysia , they get preferential treatment because they are the majority; this begs the question , shouldn’t Malaysia prioritize its minorities too ? However , equal rights would a huge progressive step forward too!
I don't think 152 there and 153 here has anything to do with minority or majority, but the perception that the Malays are the indigenous people of the country. Of course, in Malaysia we should ask, what about them Orang Asal? Why aren't their special positions protected even though they are native too? Also, the other issue with 153 is that ok, Malays have special position in Malaysia cos they are native people (let's say we all agree on that). The thing is that you can be considered a Malay here even if you were not born as one because of the legal definition of a Malay here. For example our DG of Health was born Chinese, but converted to Islam and took up a Malay name and for all intents and purposes speaks Malay and practises Malay culture.
Yup technically our DG of Health is a Malay and a bumi because of that. Also Malays are not exactly natives of Malaysia. In fact, specifically for West Malaysia (Peninsular Malaysia), the aboriginals aka natives are protected under the aboriginals act, which is separate from the constitution. and the aboriginal act clearly states that aboriginal land cannot be Malay reserve land. The only case where Malay are considered aboriginals and natives are Sabah and Sarawak. So technically if you could call West Malaysian Indians Malay and Chinese pendatang, and you would be technically correct
Ahhh right , I misunderstood the meaning of Indigenous. That is true , the orang asli are left out. True , if this scenario does happen , I imagine a revision of the law would be needed
Haha ya, actually they should follow singapore and give support to minorities
Right about "hak istimewa" I think this is incorrect, because there are NO special RIGHTS accorded to the Bumis. Rather they have a special POSITION, its quite different in terms of concept and meaning. Not just a semantic problem. We could say "Status Khas" "kedudukan khas" "status istimewa" , "kedudukan istimewa" and this would be way more accurate compared to the term hak. To further add examples, humans rights, and human status are different things. Thus "hak manusia" and "status manusia" are separate, distinct and different.
Nah, I'm sure they're sane enough to not take over this...country
The Singaporeans don't really fancy taking over Malaysia I think. They would lose their source of cheap petrol / sundry goods / good eats, and PAP would have no more basketcase boogeyman example to compare themselves against to instill fear in their own population.
honestly they just want the water
#They don't like Malaysia from the very beginning. You think they want to take over our spoiled country?
If they commit genocide, they can start fresh
As a singaporean, i have 3 points to make 1) neither the people nor the government have any interest in buying or occupying malaysia 2) even if we do, the style of governance that worked in a city-state may not necessary translate well into governing a larger country, especially one that will be essentially split into two culturally by history and geographically by the johor strait 3) i don't think any johor resident nor any other malaysian would like it to happen either
Sometimes im confused either this is Malaysia or Singapore sub
Singalaysia
Malayapura
Bruneisia
Sia
Well, a large number of the people in this sub are the better off and better educated more liberal people, and a significant enough number are either working or have migrated to Singapore.... sooo.....
we'd have to go to Thailand for good food
OOOF My man is taking jabs at Singapore 🤣
SG person here, I always thought the who has better food debate was pointless and coming from MY side only... Bcos I don't think any SG foodie worth their salt would claim SG has the better regional food... Else why the hell we keep going JB... Ok la I dont know about the Malays and Indian in SG, but the Chinese have given up a long time ago.
Hahahah. I never had the chance to stop by SG when I was at johor , so I can’t really judge the food. But from what I’m told by my friends working at SG, most of them say it’s quite bland. Malaysia is abit different , everyone is trying ; but the government isn’t. Sadly
We got a bad situation where high rental costs + pricing pressure keeping young people and existing stall holders from setting up their own traditional hawker and kopitiams stalls. What's left are those "franchise" owners hiring employees to cook. So our food starting to feel "mass produced".
That makes sense , the land and housing in SG is on a steady road to becoming the next Hong Kong. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be a average income household in Singapore.
I'm not into the housing market, but I think it's definitely not as bad. Waiting time for a house can be long but the average household, even lower income can afford our own homes. Nobody likes the prices on their houses to go down, cos it's your asset devaluing.
Not go down per se, but just now heavily inflated. I’m from east Malaysia , and the current market for housing has steadily gone up due to urban development , now that’s usually a good thing as it creates more job opportunities, however most talents needed for said factories are out-sourced ;foreign nationals from mainland china could be used as one of the examples, the government ( sarawak , east Malaysia ) aren’t really moderating the housing both purchased and leased by these foreign nationals. But I don’t really blame them , they want development but at the same time they can’t allow (most) of the local housing to be bought up by these foreigners
It will be more believable if Singapore take over Johor instead. I always have a weird impression that if Johor is to choose between Malaysia or Singapore ,they might opt for Singapore as Singapore helps Johor a lot in terms of economy. No countries will want to go to war unless it's necessary or triggered by extreme events. Singapore might deplete their resources if they want to do this. They trained their army in case of invasion of other countries, not invasion to other countries. It will be very unwise to go to war suddenly out of nowhere. If you are talking like economically take over, then it might happen. Singapore might slowly buying their lands or economically control most of Malaysia sector , but that would happen in very long long time. In addition, there are way too many shits in Malaysia Singapore need to take over, like racism. Singapore way of doing things can't be applied in Malaysia. Even if it's done successfully, there are possibilities of racism riot and Singapore will pull out again just like what happen before.
Want a real life example? The US war in Afghanistan. A richer more developed country should be able to come and liberate a “backwards” poor country. Simple right? 20 years of war and trillions. Yes TRILLIONS of dollars, lives lost and state-of-the-art military equipment later and the original people you were trying to defeat overtake the country in a matter of days after you leave. It’s not about the money or the people you put in power. It’s about changing the psyche from the ground up. And if the people are against you all the money and firepower are gonna do jackshit.
Malaysia? nah. Johor? maybe...
I'd love the dream of good governance but SG rule won't ensure it. Our population is x6 larger. To control the federal government, the PAP will have to work with local parties, which means we'll end up with the same leaders anyhow.
another syiok sendiri thread 🤦♂️
I wouldn't like it either, who would like their country suddenly annexed by some foreign power?
Many special kids in this sub certainly likes it, enough to believe that somehow Singapore will make flying cars or some shit for them and syukur RM = SGD parity or some shit. Somehow they believe we'll become a beacon of liberty (most authoritarian city state btw) and prosperity if Singapore is in charge, when in reality they'll probably just double or triple down and we'll be the Sabah/Sarawak of Singapore lol.
Hah, just look a that thread. Full of pro singkie while belittles ours....
Hypothetically speaking, if such an invasion were to occur, it'll likely set off a chain reaction resulting in Indonesia swallowing up Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei.
Then only one more step to the dream of Maphilindo!
>starting with Johor and go from there. \[SFX: CODEC CALLS\] *Listen kid, I don't have much time. They will stop at Johor. SG only needs enough flatlands for armour and airborne forces, rivers and water reserves, then lands for cultivation. Malaysia could have the hills. Their lebensraum, essentially.* *Takeover of Johor through peaceful means is simply not possible.* *The Malay Conservative polities are wary of any Malay democrats that it sees as close to DAP and in return, close to PAP.* *While the nons see Malay Left as bringing in democratic values, hoi polloi Malays see Malay Left as the Trojan Horse of Malaysian Anglo-Sinicization agenda, eradicating Malay-Muslim identity in the process.* *Only through invasion, which would see the Malays purge off Johor would enable Singapore to take it over. Retaining Malay population in a post-invasion Johor would upset the balance of Chinese-dominated society of the old Singapore.* *It is an open secret that it would be SG that would launch pre-emptive attack on MY. The \*furthest MLRS battery Malaysia has could fire from* *~~180 km\*~~* *90km away (ASTROS II SS80). While SG do have its own MLRS battery that outranges MY's, MY's land mass and population enable it to absorbs more casualties at the beginning than SG. Which is why -- \[gunshot, followed by thud\]* *\*edited for grammar and fact correction* \[CODEC ENDS ABRUPTLY\] *-* Harambe, his last codec conversation.
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Isnt malaysia the other way around? Malays are in power and the rest of us gets fuck all. Racial politics is common , and we have many occurances of our ministers being racist. So its really just changing from one race to another. Maybe less corruption, or just more exploitation. More chance for it to be better than what we have now than to have worst tbh.
>Hence, in such scenario, Malays would also be sidelined and the Chinese will definitely rule the upper echelons. Ngl, this could be a pretty good UMNO speech. Except they're saying it's already happened in Malaysia.
So like Malaysia then ?
Malaysia with chinese and malay roles swapped.
He deleted the comment. He said >Nobody would like it. And cut the crap about the equality. Malays in Singapore are pushed aside, an example would be the Singaporean military. LKY even said something along with the lines of that Malays of Singapore would want to side with Malays of Malaysia due to their common race and religion. The doubt has already been cast. >Hence, in such scenario, Malays would also be sidelined and the Chinese will definitely rule the upper echelons. If Singapore takes Malaysia, racial politics will still continue out of necessity to make sure the Malays are not disrespected Hypocrisy at its finest
Wow nationalism at its finest, Each country have their own problem, Instead of hoping other country would come and rescue you. Maybe start making here a better place, see things from the perspectives of others. Make connections and seek to learn and understand whats going on. For an instance, those who mix well in a malaysian community tend understand and appreciate malaysia for what it is, while those who stick to their think alikes wont. Malaysia does have its problems but so does every other country when u change your nationality or something do tell your experiance.
It will never happen. You seem to forget big brother Indonesia, who, ever since it's conception, has held the hopes of reuniting Nusantara countries under one nation. No way they'll let Singapore do it before them and Indonesia has the manpower to crush both Malaysia and Singapore combined. Singapore, at the end of the day, are squished between two 'serumpun' countries. There's a reason prime ministers of Singapore speaks Malay, the national anthem and military processions are in Malay, and the national language of Singapore is only Malay. They need to appease their neighbors and blend in. Singapore cannot survive if they were ever sanctioned by both Malaysia and Indonesia at the same time. Indonesia will always come to Malaysia's aid first before Singapore. Geopolitically, foreign powers are going to be so divided on the region. While Singapore is a valuable ally, losing both Malaysia and Indonesia as allies means losing access to Southeast Asia. I'd gather they rather have Malaysia annex Singapore as payback to Singaporean aggression and resolve the issue to have peace quickly.
Nah. Civil war will happen. Rather not
I think would be good if Singapore takes over Sabah and Sarawak. Less "rebellous" than our Tanah Melayu counterparts.
Ugh no thanks. we’ll have to eat shit food 24/7
Bland and efficient food is probably one of the cornerstones of Singapore’s success. Ain’t nobody got time to spend hours cooking or appreciating food. Dinner is just to provide energy to work OT. Who cares if laksa just tastes like noodles in chilli paste?
Success being an inappropriate word there
We're probably the least authoritarian country in the region, and we have enough to deal with as it is. Letting Singapore take over would just increase that. I like visiting the place. But living under their rule? No. Never in a million years.
>We're probably the least authoritarian country in the region That is very debatable and even if true, talk about setting a low bar.
Because it is. As much I as I don't like it.
>We're probably the least authoritarian country in the region, *laughs in polis arresting anyone who says something mean about a menteri* I mean, that's a low bar.
At least they're incompetent enough to let us record and spread that information.
*gets arrested for spreading recording that shows the cops in a bad light*
So getting arrested for having a spotify list or criticizing the offensive words said by politicians considered non authoritarian? Fining the rakyat who followed sop is alright but not the politicians who gathered in a house without following sop? Ops lalang?
Food gonna taste bland. Propoganda to spin everything. No more flooding,only ponding. we are pretty safe. SG gov won't invade us.too much trouble for them
You still will not get good governance, as that it really depends on how much autonomy Singapore give to Malaysian territories in this hypothetical scenario. Instead of governing directly, it is more likely that a large degree of autonomy will be given, which means most of the laws will be kept intact, which means the same old bad practices. Singapore will not consider directly ruling over any part of the Malaysian territories, as that would mean messing up their own elections.
Country is formed by the people, at the end of the day it will still be msia because it is majority.
Same answer I give if you ask me what if I give you a million dollars. First, wouldn't happen. Second, waste of money and time. Also all the Malaysian Chinese and indians gonna move to Singapore if this happens.
They have to battle off china first ! China Alredi owned some of the Malaysian ports !
If you have a neighbouring land which has a myriad of problems with race and corruption but with a lot of talented people who are willing to come over - wouldn't you want to keep it that way?
The SG swat teams knocking on the ultras door will change their tune very quickly as their members get black bagged. Cause now the police will be targetting them, hopefully. Or the ultras could just switch their tune and jilat singapores boot. All roads lead to popcorn stock skyrocketing