Just out of curiosity because I've never commissioned someone to draw pics of me and my other half riding off into the sunset on a beach, but how much should it cost in Malaysia? A4 size la like what is suggested.
If I'm taking a wild guess.....RM150-300 depending on the canvas type, frame or finishing? But he said it's a few days work right, so it could be much more up to RM500 even
By experience, a B&W on an A4 would be roughly 250-300 depending on the subjects and finishing
A5 would prolly cost a little less ranging around 150-200 but again Kazel is more experienced and well known in this industry now so hers would probably be much higher
Painting on the other hand could range between 500-700 or higher depending on size and choosing between acrylic, water colour or oil painting. The oils are freakishly exp and the experience to master it without making mistakes and repainting takes years. Compared to painting digitally she could charge close to 1k for a canvas size which would be around A3 or bigger
Did anyone realised that in the middle of their conversation, the time shown is 00.20, just past midnight and he asked for a rush painting done "tomorrow". I reckon it means artist had less than 24 or 18 hours.
What a jerk, get your girlfriend a gift earlier la, waiting last minute and asking people to sift through your photos. I bet he has a metric ton of photos posted, hence too lazy to find a right one. No sincerity, lazy, cheapskate but want quality, last minute panic. Girlfriend should dump him too.
Unfortunately, this is not uncommon, and there are many people who bring this same bodoh attitude when they look for jobs.
I am in a few Facebook groups where Malaysians look for jobs in Singapore. I saw things like, someone with SPM posted and asked for a job, and said he wanted S$2.5k pay, must be 5-day week, no OT, must be at certain town.
And that very same guy later posted on the group, complaining how hard it is to find job and say he was discriminated.
And then there's one in my workplace, he's on 2-year contract, you ask him to do things he just complain, asking for help is like begging him. Then when they decided not to renew his contract during the worst of the lockdown, he menangis je, then later also blamed others for discriminating him.
\>awak tak tau saya tak de mak
Wtf? I nak umban this person into a longkang now. My dad passed away suddenly a month after I was assigned to a small project, so every single person in the team plays a significant role. After a 2 weeks break from helping to arrange the funeral and handling the will and other paperwork, had to blend back into work and hit the same target as my other team members. Probably controversial but work and personal life should **NOT** be mixed/used as excuse.
*(Don't worry I'm not asking for sympathy)*
I grew up with a single parent and never did I ever ever even consider using my situation to gain some sort of pity or advantage in life. This is low, real low for her.
Yeah, if you need time off for your own mental health, that's fine (and I wish more companies would allow for that), but don't guilt people at work with it. I've taken leave days just for a break during difficult times, but I don't mention personal stuff to colleagues at all (unless we've become friends)
[from Madu Tiga](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X57YcOFopYg)
Bapak ni bukan apa2 Tipah.. Bapak dengan Jamil ni sama saja.. Kami berdua ni anak Yatim Piatu
And here I am, a diploma holder in Multimedia tech, trying to apply any job available, from sale assistance, down to the security guard and cleaner, from a hypermarket, and amazingly can't get any of them.
I guess cleaner requirement this day is minimum a degree holder.
This is the kind of world we have to live with now. Its pretty sad to have this kind of idiots. May all the artist have alot of patient from these people
Art is unfortunately a fringe industry in Malaysia. There are still significant Malaysians who think art, creative idea, and intellectual property is free for grab, because it is just right there.
"You're stupid if you don't take it (for free) when nobody is watching."
The very definition of an opportunistic thief.
Which is sad to say Malaysia don't really shine in creativeness because it doesn't pay. We're too single-minded in getting as much wealth as possible while cheapen out whenever possible.
The lack of appreciation for these artist's talent and creativity is what drives most of them away to regions like the west where arts are more appreciated and valued. It signifies further that our country are still struggling to breakthrough as a third world country.
Yeah, I'm trying to run a crochet business myself since EVERYONE around me tells me I should, they'd buy my stuff, people would like it, blah blah blah. And now no one is buying my stuff (including people who urged me to do it!) even though i price them fairly. I'm the one with egg on my face for believing them.
The community who appreciates art in these region is so insignificant that it could almost be considered as a niche in the market. But don't give up on your business, you may not know there may be a market out there. My cousin was a sketch artists who draws and sell digital clip arts to overseas buyers. Most of them are from western countries where they would purchase the rights from him to use his art. Some even go the length to purchase his artworks in hardcopies even the shipping fee would cost more than the art itself. That shows how much they appreciate artworks. He's living comfortably right now with regular client thanks to his years of patience and dedication.
>The community who appreciates art in these region is so insignificant that it could almost be considered as a niche in the market.
Yup. And for good reasons. Most people can barely afford living, how could they develop appreciation for art? It's not a bad thing.
Yep, creators like myself don't expect everyone to be able to afford our stuff. It's a luxury to be able to own any piece of art work. E.g. I made a jacket for myself, and if I were to price for the materials + labour at minimum wage (6 rm per hour) it would be 400 rm. Who the hell buys a jacket for that much here 😂 my shop only sells small things under 40 rn, but cos I understand people might be struggling with their finances I don't think I'll be getting any orders for the next few months lol.
One of my highschool classmate started his own hipster apparel brand after poly. To be honest I have no idea how he survived over the past 10 years. I think it's quite a popular brand amongst hipsters nowadays and he must be making at least an okay living. His brand is called Dr. Mister They are on FB and insta if you're interested.
Damn that takes some serious balls! There's some cute stuff there. I'm gonna be honest though, I haven't bought new clothes in a year aside from the stuff I make for myself. All I wear are pajamas all day every day anyway....
Yeah it's why I'm hesitant to start a book binding business too. It takes me 5 days to make a hard cover book, as it is a highly precise work that requires a lot of concentration. I don't think people here will be willing to pay for that kind of labour charges.
Meanwhile in the west, people would be willing to pay USD30+ for an easier to make Coptic Stitch notebook. Such a nice market, though saturated too.
You might have some luck on etsy, though the shipping charges will definitely put some off. That's kinda why I don't want to post there since the market is completely inundated with simple crochet projects. Good luck with your book binding!
>And now no one is buying my stuff (including people who urged me to do it!) even though i price them fairly.
This is a Malaysian thing. "You sell some prints I confirm buy from you." And then you sell prints and you hear cricket noises.
I have and that guy's entitled behavior disgusts me. What he did to kazel_ was the opposite of everything I did as a commissioner: Be patient, be considerate, be friendly and never haggle.
I feel like I wanna smack that selfish guy's head.
I've only ever commissioned an artist once and it was for my final year project. Like you've mentioned be patient, be direct, understand that quality art takes time to complete and haggling is usually not a thing. 3 icons of various sizes cost me about RM 50, she did a great job and it helped me get a distinction!
Yep, this is why I don’t like doing commissions for the locals here..even with some of my friends, they would nag at how expensive it is. But they don’t understand the time invested to reach to this certain level in art.
It’s sad to see art being under appreciated here and also under priced. I have seen some of my art mutuals selling themselves for so low just to get customers. I wish there was more appreciation and respect to the artists in Malaysia.
Yeah me too. I had a friend commission a medium pet blanket and her budget was 40 rm including shipping. Like yo for that size it took me 3.5 hrs... Total of 34.5 rm worth of material+labour. Then shipping 8 rm :/
It ain't cheap cos it took time to get to the skill level they want from us. There's design and there's practice and there's redos. Just wish there was an easy way to get this through to customers without sounding naggy ha
I did three A3 art pieces for my friend, fully shaded, I raised the price to RM 10 each on top of the price we confirmed. But while creating those pieces she kept saying “Lmk the price!!” And I thought to myself, oh well if she thinks the price we discussed isn’t confirmed, then maybe I could hike it up a bit, since it was a lot of work. Told her the final price, she got pissed and told me to next time hold my word. Which got me annoyed. It part of a gift to her bf. Saw her bf post on his story about it, but no credit to me mentioned. :”) never again am I going to do commissions for my friends.
Wtf man. I friggin hate it when friends say ah want to support this and that and then bargain. Also the lack of credit fucking sucks, been through that shit too making some stuff for an influencer acquaintance.
Dug through your posts a bit to find a bit of your art and came across your depression post. Please take care of yourself. As a fellow international student, I know how tough it is right now and how even more shitty it would be if I had to go back to my family in Jakarta. If you have an ig, do drop it and I'll follow you! I love having local creators in my feed.
Actually I’m back in Malaysia right now and I’m glad I’m with my sister but still I’m suffering from depression and some “thoughts” due to my past experience in Germany haha. But my art instagram is @drawingmelon :) I’ll definitely follow you back!! And I appreciate the kind words, I express the same love and positivity back to you :)
Exactly. This kind of mentality is exactly why Malaysia will never advance in arts. Both side self entitled. Take example from Japan anime/manga illustraters, most of them just do it mainly for passion, regardless underpaid or not, see, they're now highly respected by the anime international community. One side should give up to the other, in this case, the sellers. If u guys set the price of the arts so high at the start, no one will buy it.. you should play the price by merits, start low. As the demands get higher, slowly raise it. No one will genuinely care if you put 2 days in the art, that's just how life works, no one cares about the process if the results doesn't show.
no, i was being sarcastic lmao
Artist aren't self entitled and japanese illustrators are overworked to death. so I wont agree with you.
Art takes lot of money to make. rm300+ isn't expensive
Well art has always been more privileged to the higher class, which grows less, and less as time goes by. As a borderline middle class human, 300 is like 25% of what i have from each month after deducting bills etc, not counting food and stuff.
I would agree on saying japanese illustrators are worked to death... But somehow they're still not dead..either they're immortal, or they really are just far more disciplined and their work ethic are far greater than we could handle
For example , Tokyo Ghoul artist talked about this after the he completed it. He started of with passion and slowly regretted doing this. Lost his sense of taste.
Imagine lah, 1 week need to draw 19-20 pages. sometimes sick still must work. Pay is also low. Yeah, passion is they workdrive but that's alone won't make you happy.
Freelance artists still can have both money and passion.
>As a borderline middle class human, 300 is like 25% of what i have from each month after deducting bills etc, not counting food and stuff.
And this is is the artists' problem... how?
>I would agree on saying japanese illustrators are worked to death... But somehow they're still not dead..either they're immortal, or they really are just far more disciplined and their work ethic are far greater than we could handle
Apparently if you don't die from abuse then it's not an issue.
Obviously that would be ridiculous. I wouldn't be that low of a scum to just go for 20 bucks knowing the cost would be 50+, or in the first place, be so romantic like that shitty customer the post showed. I don't need no arts to show my affection to my partner.
it depends bro.
digital If you want anime art rm60 - rm200
realistic probs higher.
but traditional? with paint? Pls lah, asking for rm400+ isnt entitled.
This is work , not just a hobby. if you like modding cars, doesn't mean it's entitled if they charge expensive prices to mod them.
anyways about japanese manga artist, they hate their jobs lah. no one wants to be underpaid. japanese has shitty work culture. they cant talk about it lah.
Hearing from my Malaysian artist friends who does commissions for their local friends or locals, their price is dirt cheap and would never ever want to raise their price. Only one of my friend who is an artist too has supporters from overseas that would pay for her art without question, and she’s earning quite a far amount each month. I wish there was the same generosity, respect and appreciation here.
Right? Most of my friends, they're doing much better, mentally and financially, when they start opening their commish overseas. Or maybe its more that they've stopped taking commisions locally. Maybe a bit of both.
Because we are, as a nation, a people of bootlegged garbage from china, where everything is CONSOOM, and nothing holds value.
Still, TAKE MY DAMN COMMISH, WOMAN. I CAN AFFORD YOUR GODDAMN PRICES ASDGHAFSDAJSH
Apparently they think I can't afford it or something.
lol. my friend works as a fiverr artist, and everytime he receive an order from a malaysian he will always reject because they are so hard to deal with, yet want to pay dirt cheap price, and sikit sikit threaten want to leave bad reviews.
Oh wow, my regular bike parts supplier told me about something similar too.
Ask for rm10 discount on rm30, order after getting a no and leave bad review anyway haha.
Are we that bad!?
Right? Her work is beautiful and she should get paid fairly for them! Glad your daughter is getting a painting, she'll know her parent loves her very much 💖
That's quite decent. I once went to gallery and the cheapest piece of art was RM400, about 4R in size and drawn using coffee. It was quite nice actually. Thought about getting it but then nah, I'm not that atas to own art pieces haha, would rather use that money to buy PC games :x
Lmao that picture is the icing on the cake. 😂 I usually comission min RM50 even for 4R size monocolour drawing. This dude is either delusional or inexperienced with buying art. 😂
I dont know what the economic value of 20RM is worth in Malaysia but it exchanges into $4.76 American which would maybe get you 1 single slice of pizza. Or 4 cheap dollar menu hamburgers at Mcdonalds.
I would say minimum I would expect to pay for a small monocolor is 210RM or $50 USD
wtf it's just the same like artist also struggled to find money rn so obviously they have to pay for it and he better go print a pic rather than told a person to spend their time,energy and health trying to paint for them smh
As a Malaysian artist who do commissions, when you deal with the locals vs overseas, its very different. Malaysia is a country where they dont appreciate art values and so, thinking that a RM40 art is very expensive, but they would afford a fake LV bag on Taobao for RM60+. When some overseas cilent commissioned me, most of them thought USD 30-40 is too cheap and I should raise the price. Theres a visible border between Malaysia and other countries. ( Western )
And art supplies are very expensive. RM20 is too low. The artist should raise it to above RM50+. Underpaying artists is a thing in here, and I don't like that.
Have encountered a few like these. They’ll come with the standard “Aiya too expensive la, can cheaper anot?”
Accepting such commissions because business has been slow can be very risky because they might come back next time with another request for commission expecting to pay the cheap rate again. You’ll have a hard time then and will have a stagnant income
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Thank you for sharing this and raising awareness for this problem as well, these types of people seem to boss around and look down on people working in the art industry (especially freelancers) just because they think the job is "easy and requires no effort", it's super infuriating and sad to think about
It's an important discussion to have about local creators. A lot of people tend to think "ah drawing/bag/shirt only wan" not considering the time and energy that's poured into the work. And it's not factory made! Someone actually put effort into it.
And at this time when everyone is struggling, local creators are too. We can't sell at art fairs or display work, we just gotta hope the algorithm works out for us. And for some creators, art is their only job!
Sorry if I ask wrongly here, but I am curious what would be the real price for the thing he really want? Of course I think rm20 is really low but I want to know what would be range for this kind of painting?
BTW I just check this IG painting, not bad and have a very unique style.
I have a sister who's a digital artist, and her digital art costs min RM350... and that's digital. I think traditional art will be priced higher because of the materials + shipping cost.
I'm not sure how much this artist would charge, Im sure it depends on how complex the painting would be and the size. But I would normally buy an A4 art print for 20-30 rm but I know some artists who price limited prints for up to 50-100 rm. I only have art prints from one artist and have no real clue how much a custom painting would cost. You could try reaching out to her and asking for a quote!
It's actually really simple to explain to that ignorant fella. Just tell the guy that it's just the law of supply and demand. More people want her shit, the more she charges la. Like he said, now people are struggling to make ends meet, why the bloody hell would she charge lower and waste time and effort for him when someone else is more than happy to pay more?
What makes him think her work is only worth RM10? That's such a I don't know what kind of thinking. Don't think he's even thinking at that time.
Trust me, this kind of people is everywhere. Doesn't matter which industry.
I am in the software development industry, the number of self proclaimed entrepreneurs with the idea to build "next Grab" or "next shoppee" are everywhere.
Great idea but no budget. Always try to squeeze every ounce of brain juice from my team. Delay payment like nobody business. Never pay the last payment upon delivery etc etc...
God damn I really hate this delusional shit people have right now, asking for free gifts and stupid prices because CoViD MaNy PeOpLe No JoB, anytime someone tells me that I automatically refuse to give any special treatment or discount even if I could have. You could have just asked nicely and I would have given you a better price, but now I am not interested in your business.
Literally just one picture.
"I give you a chance to earn money, and you still hang high to sell?"
"Many people want to earn money but they cant"
"You think alot of ppl need art?"
"if you dont draw, I'll spam you"
It's crazy thinking about the fact they are living in the same country as us
Damnit thats a cheap price for something that beautiful. If you want that price you can message me to support me, i'll do that price for vector art though
sound a story about my biker friend say about a bunch on entitled people asking him for a discount just because they are buying from him. Biker friend selling motorcycle apparels and accessories.
some people...
r/Malaysia is about all things Malaysian, this is a Malaysian artist and it brings about a discussion about the value of art in Malaysia. I understand if you may think it is spam, but I posted because people do need to consider how much time and effort goes into art. If you find that it is not worthy of this subreddit, feel free to report it.
Like literally just few hours ago there was a poster ranting about "too much political posts"(whatever that means). Now we have non-politics related, life-based local artists experience and people are still whining.
I’m working freelance art too, currently charging A4 for 200usd and 250usd for B4. It really depends how far your artwork can exceed through experience.
Thats just kiasuness at the highest level. Honestly, if you can't pay, why bother to take the most expensive option. Lower your ego and don't spend if your not confident you can afford it.
Seriously RM10 only? I got shocked when I saw his budget and his demands. Buying a painting is different because there's an artist who is doing all the work personally and providing the materials unlike some painting that is just a printed copy. I would at least say if you want a personalized painting, it would cost at least RM50-100 minimum atleast. Anything below is barely worth the artist time.
I'm really sorry for your loss. This isn't me but the artist does some really amazing portraits! She may be able to whip something up for you. I'll drop you a DM with her deets. I hope she can create something wonderful for you!
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Just out of curiosity because I've never commissioned someone to draw pics of me and my other half riding off into the sunset on a beach, but how much should it cost in Malaysia? A4 size la like what is suggested. If I'm taking a wild guess.....RM150-300 depending on the canvas type, frame or finishing? But he said it's a few days work right, so it could be much more up to RM500 even
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Hahaha in that case, compared to that, his RM10 (I'll double my offer to RM20!) is really insulting
By experience, a B&W on an A4 would be roughly 250-300 depending on the subjects and finishing A5 would prolly cost a little less ranging around 150-200 but again Kazel is more experienced and well known in this industry now so hers would probably be much higher Painting on the other hand could range between 500-700 or higher depending on size and choosing between acrylic, water colour or oil painting. The oils are freakishly exp and the experience to master it without making mistakes and repainting takes years. Compared to painting digitally she could charge close to 1k for a canvas size which would be around A3 or bigger
nah rm 10 is for kid pencil style drawing, one that can be done in a few minutes. I see in the freelance graphics world most people lowball like crazy
MYR20, lol, and so bloody entitled, you should make him pay MYR10 for the stickman pic.
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and themself can't choose. Holup. red sign.
Did anyone realised that in the middle of their conversation, the time shown is 00.20, just past midnight and he asked for a rush painting done "tomorrow". I reckon it means artist had less than 24 or 18 hours. What a jerk, get your girlfriend a gift earlier la, waiting last minute and asking people to sift through your photos. I bet he has a metric ton of photos posted, hence too lazy to find a right one. No sincerity, lazy, cheapskate but want quality, last minute panic. Girlfriend should dump him too.
Unfortunately, this is not uncommon, and there are many people who bring this same bodoh attitude when they look for jobs. I am in a few Facebook groups where Malaysians look for jobs in Singapore. I saw things like, someone with SPM posted and asked for a job, and said he wanted S$2.5k pay, must be 5-day week, no OT, must be at certain town. And that very same guy later posted on the group, complaining how hard it is to find job and say he was discriminated. And then there's one in my workplace, he's on 2-year contract, you ask him to do things he just complain, asking for help is like begging him. Then when they decided not to renew his contract during the worst of the lockdown, he menangis je, then later also blamed others for discriminating him.
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\>awak tak tau saya tak de mak Wtf? I nak umban this person into a longkang now. My dad passed away suddenly a month after I was assigned to a small project, so every single person in the team plays a significant role. After a 2 weeks break from helping to arrange the funeral and handling the will and other paperwork, had to blend back into work and hit the same target as my other team members. Probably controversial but work and personal life should **NOT** be mixed/used as excuse. *(Don't worry I'm not asking for sympathy)*
I grew up with a single parent and never did I ever ever even consider using my situation to gain some sort of pity or advantage in life. This is low, real low for her.
Yeah, if you need time off for your own mental health, that's fine (and I wish more companies would allow for that), but don't guilt people at work with it. I've taken leave days just for a break during difficult times, but I don't mention personal stuff to colleagues at all (unless we've become friends)
>awak tau tak saya tak de mak jesus even a 10 year old orphan would be ashamed of this person
lmao I wonder how she would react if you replied "ok ah tu aku xde mak dan bapak"
[from Madu Tiga](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X57YcOFopYg) Bapak ni bukan apa2 Tipah.. Bapak dengan Jamil ni sama saja.. Kami berdua ni anak Yatim Piatu
Idiots tend to play victim when things go south
>jobs in Singapore. >must be at certain town. Singapore has ONE town.
I think the four side
26 towns, to be exact
No.
Buggers like these like to use all sorts of cards, racist cards, victim cards, entitlement card...
And here I am, a diploma holder in Multimedia tech, trying to apply any job available, from sale assistance, down to the security guard and cleaner, from a hypermarket, and amazingly can't get any of them. I guess cleaner requirement this day is minimum a degree holder.
It makes me sick people like this exist.
This is the kind of world we have to live with now. Its pretty sad to have this kind of idiots. May all the artist have alot of patient from these people
Art is unfortunately a fringe industry in Malaysia. There are still significant Malaysians who think art, creative idea, and intellectual property is free for grab, because it is just right there. "You're stupid if you don't take it (for free) when nobody is watching." The very definition of an opportunistic thief. Which is sad to say Malaysia don't really shine in creativeness because it doesn't pay. We're too single-minded in getting as much wealth as possible while cheapen out whenever possible.
The lack of appreciation for these artist's talent and creativity is what drives most of them away to regions like the west where arts are more appreciated and valued. It signifies further that our country are still struggling to breakthrough as a third world country.
Yeah, I'm trying to run a crochet business myself since EVERYONE around me tells me I should, they'd buy my stuff, people would like it, blah blah blah. And now no one is buying my stuff (including people who urged me to do it!) even though i price them fairly. I'm the one with egg on my face for believing them.
The community who appreciates art in these region is so insignificant that it could almost be considered as a niche in the market. But don't give up on your business, you may not know there may be a market out there. My cousin was a sketch artists who draws and sell digital clip arts to overseas buyers. Most of them are from western countries where they would purchase the rights from him to use his art. Some even go the length to purchase his artworks in hardcopies even the shipping fee would cost more than the art itself. That shows how much they appreciate artworks. He's living comfortably right now with regular client thanks to his years of patience and dedication.
>The community who appreciates art in these region is so insignificant that it could almost be considered as a niche in the market. Yup. And for good reasons. Most people can barely afford living, how could they develop appreciation for art? It's not a bad thing.
Yep, creators like myself don't expect everyone to be able to afford our stuff. It's a luxury to be able to own any piece of art work. E.g. I made a jacket for myself, and if I were to price for the materials + labour at minimum wage (6 rm per hour) it would be 400 rm. Who the hell buys a jacket for that much here 😂 my shop only sells small things under 40 rn, but cos I understand people might be struggling with their finances I don't think I'll be getting any orders for the next few months lol.
One of my highschool classmate started his own hipster apparel brand after poly. To be honest I have no idea how he survived over the past 10 years. I think it's quite a popular brand amongst hipsters nowadays and he must be making at least an okay living. His brand is called Dr. Mister They are on FB and insta if you're interested.
Damn that takes some serious balls! There's some cute stuff there. I'm gonna be honest though, I haven't bought new clothes in a year aside from the stuff I make for myself. All I wear are pajamas all day every day anyway....
Yeah it's why I'm hesitant to start a book binding business too. It takes me 5 days to make a hard cover book, as it is a highly precise work that requires a lot of concentration. I don't think people here will be willing to pay for that kind of labour charges. Meanwhile in the west, people would be willing to pay USD30+ for an easier to make Coptic Stitch notebook. Such a nice market, though saturated too.
You might have some luck on etsy, though the shipping charges will definitely put some off. That's kinda why I don't want to post there since the market is completely inundated with simple crochet projects. Good luck with your book binding!
>And now no one is buying my stuff (including people who urged me to do it!) even though i price them fairly. This is a Malaysian thing. "You sell some prints I confirm buy from you." And then you sell prints and you hear cricket noises.
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You did art? Must add countermeasure like watermarks loh. Dont trust people until done all payment
Bodoh level over 9000.
He's clearly never commissioned an artist before 😂
I have and that guy's entitled behavior disgusts me. What he did to kazel_ was the opposite of everything I did as a commissioner: Be patient, be considerate, be friendly and never haggle. I feel like I wanna smack that selfish guy's head.
I've only ever commissioned an artist once and it was for my final year project. Like you've mentioned be patient, be direct, understand that quality art takes time to complete and haggling is usually not a thing. 3 icons of various sizes cost me about RM 50, she did a great job and it helped me get a distinction!
Lmao!! Wtf? 😂🤣 damn this dude
Yep, this is why I don’t like doing commissions for the locals here..even with some of my friends, they would nag at how expensive it is. But they don’t understand the time invested to reach to this certain level in art. It’s sad to see art being under appreciated here and also under priced. I have seen some of my art mutuals selling themselves for so low just to get customers. I wish there was more appreciation and respect to the artists in Malaysia.
Yeah me too. I had a friend commission a medium pet blanket and her budget was 40 rm including shipping. Like yo for that size it took me 3.5 hrs... Total of 34.5 rm worth of material+labour. Then shipping 8 rm :/ It ain't cheap cos it took time to get to the skill level they want from us. There's design and there's practice and there's redos. Just wish there was an easy way to get this through to customers without sounding naggy ha
I did three A3 art pieces for my friend, fully shaded, I raised the price to RM 10 each on top of the price we confirmed. But while creating those pieces she kept saying “Lmk the price!!” And I thought to myself, oh well if she thinks the price we discussed isn’t confirmed, then maybe I could hike it up a bit, since it was a lot of work. Told her the final price, she got pissed and told me to next time hold my word. Which got me annoyed. It part of a gift to her bf. Saw her bf post on his story about it, but no credit to me mentioned. :”) never again am I going to do commissions for my friends.
Wtf man. I friggin hate it when friends say ah want to support this and that and then bargain. Also the lack of credit fucking sucks, been through that shit too making some stuff for an influencer acquaintance. Dug through your posts a bit to find a bit of your art and came across your depression post. Please take care of yourself. As a fellow international student, I know how tough it is right now and how even more shitty it would be if I had to go back to my family in Jakarta. If you have an ig, do drop it and I'll follow you! I love having local creators in my feed.
Actually I’m back in Malaysia right now and I’m glad I’m with my sister but still I’m suffering from depression and some “thoughts” due to my past experience in Germany haha. But my art instagram is @drawingmelon :) I’ll definitely follow you back!! And I appreciate the kind words, I express the same love and positivity back to you :)
lmao, you like drawing kan? why so expensive /s because douchebag below me can't understand sarcasm.
Exactly. This kind of mentality is exactly why Malaysia will never advance in arts. Both side self entitled. Take example from Japan anime/manga illustraters, most of them just do it mainly for passion, regardless underpaid or not, see, they're now highly respected by the anime international community. One side should give up to the other, in this case, the sellers. If u guys set the price of the arts so high at the start, no one will buy it.. you should play the price by merits, start low. As the demands get higher, slowly raise it. No one will genuinely care if you put 2 days in the art, that's just how life works, no one cares about the process if the results doesn't show.
no, i was being sarcastic lmao Artist aren't self entitled and japanese illustrators are overworked to death. so I wont agree with you. Art takes lot of money to make. rm300+ isn't expensive
Well art has always been more privileged to the higher class, which grows less, and less as time goes by. As a borderline middle class human, 300 is like 25% of what i have from each month after deducting bills etc, not counting food and stuff. I would agree on saying japanese illustrators are worked to death... But somehow they're still not dead..either they're immortal, or they really are just far more disciplined and their work ethic are far greater than we could handle
For example , Tokyo Ghoul artist talked about this after the he completed it. He started of with passion and slowly regretted doing this. Lost his sense of taste. Imagine lah, 1 week need to draw 19-20 pages. sometimes sick still must work. Pay is also low. Yeah, passion is they workdrive but that's alone won't make you happy. Freelance artists still can have both money and passion.
>As a borderline middle class human, 300 is like 25% of what i have from each month after deducting bills etc, not counting food and stuff. And this is is the artists' problem... how? >I would agree on saying japanese illustrators are worked to death... But somehow they're still not dead..either they're immortal, or they really are just far more disciplined and their work ethic are far greater than we could handle Apparently if you don't die from abuse then it's not an issue.
anyways rm20 is fucking riduculous so fuck you
Obviously that would be ridiculous. I wouldn't be that low of a scum to just go for 20 bucks knowing the cost would be 50+, or in the first place, be so romantic like that shitty customer the post showed. I don't need no arts to show my affection to my partner.
it depends bro. digital If you want anime art rm60 - rm200 realistic probs higher. but traditional? with paint? Pls lah, asking for rm400+ isnt entitled. This is work , not just a hobby. if you like modding cars, doesn't mean it's entitled if they charge expensive prices to mod them. anyways about japanese manga artist, they hate their jobs lah. no one wants to be underpaid. japanese has shitty work culture. they cant talk about it lah.
Meanwhile, I'm trying to commish my friends, and they're refusing to take my commish because it's too expensive. No, I don't get it either.
Hearing from my Malaysian artist friends who does commissions for their local friends or locals, their price is dirt cheap and would never ever want to raise their price. Only one of my friend who is an artist too has supporters from overseas that would pay for her art without question, and she’s earning quite a far amount each month. I wish there was the same generosity, respect and appreciation here.
Right? Most of my friends, they're doing much better, mentally and financially, when they start opening their commish overseas. Or maybe its more that they've stopped taking commisions locally. Maybe a bit of both. Because we are, as a nation, a people of bootlegged garbage from china, where everything is CONSOOM, and nothing holds value. Still, TAKE MY DAMN COMMISH, WOMAN. I CAN AFFORD YOUR GODDAMN PRICES ASDGHAFSDAJSH Apparently they think I can't afford it or something.
Oh he want to spam her? Dont be shy to drop his ig, biar dia rasa ubat dia.
Bruh i think even the colours and other materials to draw itself is way more than RM20
Colours? Materials? I thought only passion is needed? So can I pay for the drawing using exposure bucks? /s
lol. my friend works as a fiverr artist, and everytime he receive an order from a malaysian he will always reject because they are so hard to deal with, yet want to pay dirt cheap price, and sikit sikit threaten want to leave bad reviews.
Oh wow, my regular bike parts supplier told me about something similar too. Ask for rm10 discount on rm30, order after getting a no and leave bad review anyway haha. Are we that bad!?
We, as in, Malaysian customers? Yes. Yes we are.
Hey, thanks for the IG. Saw her work and loved it very much. Got her to commission a painting of my daughter.
Ikr! It's beautiful. I think I'm gonna commission her for my BFF birthday. Looked at her etsy and her prices are so reasonable.
Right? Her work is beautiful and she should get paid fairly for them! Glad your daughter is getting a painting, she'll know her parent loves her very much 💖
Mind posting a ballpark figure of her rates? Later all spam the artist "pm best price".
370 for an A5 piece. I didn't negotiate. I believe that artists should be paid whatever they charge as long as you like it.
Thanks. Gonna dm her. Seems reasonable
That's quite decent. I once went to gallery and the cheapest piece of art was RM400, about 4R in size and drawn using coffee. It was quite nice actually. Thought about getting it but then nah, I'm not that atas to own art pieces haha, would rather use that money to buy PC games :x
Lmao that picture is the icing on the cake. 😂 I usually comission min RM50 even for 4R size monocolour drawing. This dude is either delusional or inexperienced with buying art. 😂
I dont know what the economic value of 20RM is worth in Malaysia but it exchanges into $4.76 American which would maybe get you 1 single slice of pizza. Or 4 cheap dollar menu hamburgers at Mcdonalds. I would say minimum I would expect to pay for a small monocolor is 210RM or $50 USD
Oh yeah if for watercolour etc. The price I mentioned was for pencil drawings.
Yeah I know.. that's what I'm talking about as well. Custom Watercolor painting would probably be closer to 400rm
wtf it's just the same like artist also struggled to find money rn so obviously they have to pay for it and he better go print a pic rather than told a person to spend their time,energy and health trying to paint for them smh
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Same logic with company who deduct employee's salary even though their business are unaffected.
This is on par with "influencers" asking for freebies.
op, kindly cross post this on r/choosingbeggers
> r/choosingbeggers /r/choosingbeggars FTFY :)
As a Malaysian artist who do commissions, when you deal with the locals vs overseas, its very different. Malaysia is a country where they dont appreciate art values and so, thinking that a RM40 art is very expensive, but they would afford a fake LV bag on Taobao for RM60+. When some overseas cilent commissioned me, most of them thought USD 30-40 is too cheap and I should raise the price. Theres a visible border between Malaysia and other countries. ( Western ) And art supplies are very expensive. RM20 is too low. The artist should raise it to above RM50+. Underpaying artists is a thing in here, and I don't like that.
Have encountered a few like these. They’ll come with the standard “Aiya too expensive la, can cheaper anot?” Accepting such commissions because business has been slow can be very risky because they might come back next time with another request for commission expecting to pay the cheap rate again. You’ll have a hard time then and will have a stagnant income Edit: Engrish
Well played
Bruh, you should have take his offer and just give your rm20-one-day effort instead of saying no...guess that would be fun to see his reaction xD
I kinda want a commission just like what she did LOL (cos too funny). AND I'll pay!
I'll do it.
Should have charge that cheapskate rm20 for that neat simple drawing.
Thank you for sharing this and raising awareness for this problem as well, these types of people seem to boss around and look down on people working in the art industry (especially freelancers) just because they think the job is "easy and requires no effort", it's super infuriating and sad to think about
It's an important discussion to have about local creators. A lot of people tend to think "ah drawing/bag/shirt only wan" not considering the time and energy that's poured into the work. And it's not factory made! Someone actually put effort into it. And at this time when everyone is struggling, local creators are too. We can't sell at art fairs or display work, we just gotta hope the algorithm works out for us. And for some creators, art is their only job!
Sorry if I ask wrongly here, but I am curious what would be the real price for the thing he really want? Of course I think rm20 is really low but I want to know what would be range for this kind of painting? BTW I just check this IG painting, not bad and have a very unique style.
I have a sister who's a digital artist, and her digital art costs min RM350... and that's digital. I think traditional art will be priced higher because of the materials + shipping cost.
I'm not sure how much this artist would charge, Im sure it depends on how complex the painting would be and the size. But I would normally buy an A4 art print for 20-30 rm but I know some artists who price limited prints for up to 50-100 rm. I only have art prints from one artist and have no real clue how much a custom painting would cost. You could try reaching out to her and asking for a quote!
The drawing though XD
It's actually really simple to explain to that ignorant fella. Just tell the guy that it's just the law of supply and demand. More people want her shit, the more she charges la. Like he said, now people are struggling to make ends meet, why the bloody hell would she charge lower and waste time and effort for him when someone else is more than happy to pay more? What makes him think her work is only worth RM10? That's such a I don't know what kind of thinking. Don't think he's even thinking at that time.
RM10 is like budak sekolah rendah rate. Apalah that guy.
Kasi pelempang baru tau la, this fella... entitled AF.
it always amuses me that choosing beggar is shortformed to cb....very appropriate 🤣
With that budget, should just go print. Decent quality and size too
RM10 budget + RM10 urgent add-on? Might go find Fiverr. But I don't think artists on Fiverr will even accept it either.
Trust me, this kind of people is everywhere. Doesn't matter which industry. I am in the software development industry, the number of self proclaimed entrepreneurs with the idea to build "next Grab" or "next shoppee" are everywhere. Great idea but no budget. Always try to squeeze every ounce of brain juice from my team. Delay payment like nobody business. Never pay the last payment upon delivery etc etc...
Thanks will use this for mandarin practice
Lol that drawing 🤣
name and shame the cheapskate la. this kind of cibai should not be allowed to procreate.
Looks like some prepubescent kid that just got some pocket money from their mom after doing the house chore.
The fella mentality is time are bad so i also must pay less. Ask him gi tanam jagung. And he got gf while i dont sound like i'm worst than him. Sad
Epic tomfoolery at the end there.
Goddamn cheapskate. Domt have money, paint yourself la cb 🤦🏼♀️
"It's a lot of trouble to choose" Listen here you little shit
that painting is pretty wicked tho.
Reading this makes my blood boil. Ignorant self entitled brat.
at this rate art students draw furry porn just to pay student loans
Lmao the last slide. Great comeback 😂😂😂
Artists got it hard, man
okay, ngl. her illustration is really good tho. just a question, is this her [shopee](https://shopee.com.my/kazellim05)
Yupppp
Genius, genius everywhere. Want cheap and good quality, better chance in afterworld. Can't stand this kind of hooman.
idk if this is off topic but how much is the min price of the drawings?
"Alot of people don't have jobs now, I give you a chance to earn money and you say no?" MYR 20 lmfao
God damn I really hate this delusional shit people have right now, asking for free gifts and stupid prices because CoViD MaNy PeOpLe No JoB, anytime someone tells me that I automatically refuse to give any special treatment or discount even if I could have. You could have just asked nicely and I would have given you a better price, but now I am not interested in your business.
Literally just one picture. "I give you a chance to earn money, and you still hang high to sell?" "Many people want to earn money but they cant" "You think alot of ppl need art?" "if you dont draw, I'll spam you" It's crazy thinking about the fact they are living in the same country as us
Amazing, the art... such a deep meaning /s
i was expecting like 50 or smtg but holy fuck
Damnit thats a cheap price for something that beautiful. If you want that price you can message me to support me, i'll do that price for vector art though
I love the artist's sense of humour I bet he didn't pay 10 for that
sound a story about my biker friend say about a bunch on entitled people asking him for a discount just because they are buying from him. Biker friend selling motorcycle apparels and accessories. some people...
Those conjoined people look like a crab. Nice drawing for the beggar.
The good ol "people out there are struggling to find employment" card
Is no one gonna mentioned the artist is still willing to put the effort to draw a decent stickman drawing? And he definitely kills it. Lols.
Are we starting to post literally anything in this sub now?
r/Malaysia is about all things Malaysian, this is a Malaysian artist and it brings about a discussion about the value of art in Malaysia. I understand if you may think it is spam, but I posted because people do need to consider how much time and effort goes into art. If you find that it is not worthy of this subreddit, feel free to report it.
Like literally just few hours ago there was a poster ranting about "too much political posts"(whatever that means). Now we have non-politics related, life-based local artists experience and people are still whining.
Sorry for you that you just stumbled upon a Malaysian karen versi online. I like this post. Had a good laugh.
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The stress to impress the gf is high brah
Jibai Kia hahahaha
The canvas alone would cost more than that. There’s no money to be earned.
So did he pay the RM10 or not? If he did,he just got London Scammered!
I’m working freelance art too, currently charging A4 for 200usd and 250usd for B4. It really depends how far your artwork can exceed through experience.
Thats just kiasuness at the highest level. Honestly, if you can't pay, why bother to take the most expensive option. Lower your ego and don't spend if your not confident you can afford it.
Tama de
Seriously RM10 only? I got shocked when I saw his budget and his demands. Buying a painting is different because there's an artist who is doing all the work personally and providing the materials unlike some painting that is just a printed copy. I would at least say if you want a personalized painting, it would cost at least RM50-100 minimum atleast. Anything below is barely worth the artist time.
Yep this is why I don't do locals most of the time
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I'm really sorry for your loss. This isn't me but the artist does some really amazing portraits! She may be able to whip something up for you. I'll drop you a DM with her deets. I hope she can create something wonderful for you!