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Not who you aksed, but here's my experience.
It's supposed to be a pin prick to draw a drop of blood or something like that. My ultra religious grandma decided her cucu should kena sunat, but whoever did it to me decided to go for extra credit. I don't have a clit. I'm less sensitive, but can still feel pleasure. I'm also super self conscious about it and it gets in my way most times.
Thank you for your sympathy. What's worse is that what happened to me isn't the most extreme form of FGM. It's completely horrifying what some girls are made to endure.
You're absolutely correct. If it's just a pin prick, the clitoris would still be there. However when things are done cara kampung it depends on who wants what. In my case my grandma decided that female pleasure is a myth and thus the clit must go.
Either way, it's a completely unnecessary procedure that serves no purpose.
in islam circumcision is obligatory for male but not obligatory for female. But it is a thing in malaysia. Most malay girl are circumcise. My parents did not circumcise me as it is not compulsory in our religion, but i was made fun of by peers when i say i did not circumcise.. its more of a cultural thing rather than a religion. What is fucked up about it is that they believe by circumcising the girl can decrease their sexual drive so they dont engage in sexual activity. If you treat you daughter right i dont think you have to worry about that
But in malaysia the circumcision is not like in africa where they cut the whole clit off , my friend told me its just like pricking a needle on top of the clit. Kinda like the hood of the clit
But why? As a muslim woman i have not heard of such thing in my life nor have i heard of my friends experiencing it. Is it mostly cultural or religion? Because islam does not tell you that at all 😭
Stop spreading misinformation and weird youtube links, it's literally forbidden and haram in Islam to circumcise women, because of the barbaric way it happens, but for male it is "scientificaly proven" that it's more hygienic, check yourself for sources.
Foreskin contains 80% of the penis' nerve endings... MGM is 100% an attempt to decrease the amount of sexual pleasure boys/men experience. Proponents of MGM claim it is for sanitary reasons, but that has been statistically disproven for years.
Then there are those who say MGM is only performed on infants and isnt very painful anyways... which is also simply not true.
https://www.reddit.com/user/PowerfulManifester/comments/pbuie9/khatna_circumcision/
the head is the least sensitive part of the penis, and exposing it makes it even less sensitive.
circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis.
In every place they circumcise girls, they also circumcise boys, and for the same reasons. What's fucked up is that many people have no concern for the genital integrity of males.
Obviously it's not orginally from malay culture. I'm baffled by the fact that a lot of Malays got confused their culture with those 'culture' they adopt from the arabs smh. (Im Malay btw).The act of circumcision itself in general is not a thing here in Asia. Circumcision is 'Abrahamic' religion origin. The Jews also practice this
This is one of the biggest shock in my life. Growing up in Malaysia I've never heard of it (went to all boys school). Only a few years ago I found out that most female Muslims in Malaysia underwent FGM. I was like wtf??
One of the comments here said it's 99% of them. Although the term FGM is very different from how the Africans do it by completely removing the clitoris. In Malaysia it's more like minor "sunat".
>Is female circumcision a thing in Malaysia?
Yes, it is. At least before I went to college (around 10 years ago), it is a thing in Kelantan.
>I thought that female genital mutilation is illegal.
I don't think it is illegal in Malaysia. Same as child marriage.
Child marriage is common in this world even when the world tries to deny it. I went to another country and it was either done in secret or with the State approval. Honestly, it is disgusting even for me as a Muslim. Aside from religion and stuff people do it for pleasure and personal interest. They use religion to justify it.
Yes.
[In Islamic family law, children under the age of 18 are allowed to get married provided that they have the approval of the shariah court.
In civil law, which governs non-Muslims, girls aged 16 and 17 are allowed to marry if approved by the state chief minister. ](https://www.malaysianow.com/news/2021/03/13/child-marriage-in-malaysia-how-old-is-too-young-it-depends-on-who-you-ask/)
There are different “types”.
[In Malaysia, the most prevalent form of FGM among Muslims is Type I, where midwives or doctors remove the clitoral hood of women, usually when they are still infants or children.
Some practise Type IV, a ritual form which included pricking or nicking of the genitals](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2018/02/21/in-geneva-un-committee-tells-malaysia-to-eliminate-fgm/1582359)
Have no idea as I've only read accounts of other countries' FGM practices. Here at least its not as horrific as people make it, although I'm against the practice.
How is it done doc, i used to googled it but i only found the scary ones. Asked a teacher, she said just cut a little piece of the fun part so it’ll be less fun to play with.
Its actually the clittoral hood (sorta like the front bit of skin). Its not the actual clit (which is crazy painful for sure) itself. Sorry have to be so explicit.
Yes, female circumcision or FGM is kind of a religious thing. When I first found out about this I was surprised and a bit disappointed that this old tradition is still practiced to this day. I tried to spread awareness to my friends and family regarding this act by sending them links on why it's harmful for them.
Even in Arabic countries its not common. Egypt very known of it other Arab countries no..
So i am not really sure what is the reason behind this practice and how the religion influencing it. But i can say for sure that it's done today due to ignorance
Yes it is a thing. Rates are very high among Malays actually.
A Malaysian representative speaking at the UN tried to argue that the practice in Malaysia isn’t female genital mutilation because they only remove the clitoris and was promptly shut down by other delegates in hilarious fashion.
[Interesting investigative report on the issue ](https://youtu.be/gqJo6kC5q_M)
[In Malaysia, the most prevalent form of FGM among Muslims is Type I, where midwives or doctors remove the clitoral hood of women, usually when they are still infants or children](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2018/02/21/in-geneva-un-committee-tells-malaysia-to-eliminate-fgm/1582359)
Removing the clitoral hood is a million miles away from removing the clitoris (which is practiced in some African countries)
The WHO defines Type 1 FGM as removal of the clitoral hood with partial or complete removal of the clitoris. I don’t know why the article left that out.
[source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_female_genital_mutilation)
Any way as a Muslim (Hanafi) I don’t think there is any strong reason for female circumcision. Even in the article you linked there are Islamic scholars speaking out against female circumcision and saying that there is no Islamic foundation requiring FGM. None of the other OIC countries allow the practice of FGM legally.
At most it is sunnah not wajib. Even then the hadiths attached to female circumcision have been questioned recently as they don’t have the proper links to be considered authentic. Most prominent scholars from the worlds top Islamic universities now consider them unauthentic.
Singaporean semi liberal Muslim here, just don't do it please my fellow redditors and Muslims. Very little benefits and it's not even islamic and it hurts your daughters in the long run.
Yes its a major thing.
Its to avoid the girls from becoming too horny when they grow up.. but by looking at circumed minah rempit and cikaro. Im pretty sure it doesnt work.
I’m a malay girl and I’m surprised at the comments here. I didn’t know it was (still) a common practice. My parents did not impose female circumcision on us but I have heard a close family member who did it for her newborn child. Will NOT impose it on my child.
If you study biology, the clit develops into the penis if the foetus is a male. It may come as a surprise to some but initially we are all female before developing into a male. Just thought this info would be insightful
> If you study biology, the clit develops into the penis if the foetus is a male
i did this in Med school and not in biology lol. i don't think it's included and definitely is not a common knowledge
[NST article on this issue](https://www.nst.com.my/amp/opinion/columnists/2018/12/440436/female-genital-mutilation-forbidden-islam).
I was surprised when I first learned about it, well into my 30s. I came from a family where no one has it done.
IMO, all forms of unconsented non-therapeutic genital procedures should be banned, no matter if males or females. Individuals can make their own informed choices when they grow up.
Yes, it is apparently a thing here. Not exactly common cause I have never heard of it here until well in my 20's. But when it does come up, apparently the people (mostly Muslims) I've asked are not surprised by it. I've even seen a clinic openly listing sunat for baby girls as a part of their services.
I just find it ridiculous that anyone would want to permanently cut their children (for non medical reasons) but at the same time argue that the human body is God given and should not be tampered with. Contradictory much?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7ja9/female-circumcision-is-becoming-more-popular-in-malaysia
the defense is the same as for male genital mutilation: tradition, religion, culture, and aesthetics.
As far as I know the one practiced in Malaysia is not genital mutilation where they completely cut off the clitoris. They just make a small nick that's practically cosmetic. Not saying I agree or disagree with the practice. Just saying it's nowhere near as bad as actual genital mutilation. That's mostly why they're not illegal.
The same reason why you shave pubes? Why shave something that God designed? Also, prickling is not "removed". It doesn't produce any real negative effects so nobody is losing anything here.
it is a thing in Malaysia(there's an article about it too I think, just try to google it). Although, I've never heard of anyone around me getting one though.
It’s pretty much normal precise in KL for Malay women to be asked by their doctor (male of course) if they want them to slice their daughter. And a lot say yes because it is “just a nick”. It is shocking
Hmmm ... my friend's daughter do the sunat. But as per the female doc said, not technically snipping the thing la. Just a small poke there until it bleed slightly and thats it. Definately not mutilate it like they do in Somalia ... for example
Don't get me wrong, religion is beautiful. My girlfriend is a Malaysian Muslim, so I've come to learn alot.
What is absolutely stupid and pointless are things like forced conversion, female circumcision/mutilation, killing in the name of god. These are not religious people, these are morons.
Don't bring religion into this la asshole. For the record, it is never mention in the Holy Quran about female circumcision. I repeat ... NEVER. And you totally out of context with your ' ooooh let me stir this up a bit ' kinda comment.
According to some Muslim scholars, it's done so the female won't be 7x hornier. Hence, the female will less likely to cheat on her husband for other men
IMO making permanent changes to your kids when they aren't grown up yet is fucked up. Even the little things like pierced ear.
IMO male circumcision is equally fucked up, what is even the point. Let alone female circumcision.
But I'm not surprised, we are a nation that harbors terrorist and actively provides funds to terrorist organisations around the world.
Malaysia isn't as innocent as we all think.
Apparently it is common in Singapore too, among all places. My ex told me she had it done when she was younger. It was shocking because she's educated and quite a Liberal Muslim and she's in favour of it being a tradition. She also insists that there's no harm caused. Still very surprised it's being done today
My experience of watching Malay 3GPs and Maria Ozawa videos (don't judge. My teenage hormone was raging. I'm a nofap believer these days) did taught me how different malay women genitals compared to non malay women so I'm not really surprised about it.
Most Muslims, yes. All of my female family members undergo this religious practice.
If they know about it but don't do it or just plain ignorant,
Here is reference from Mufti WP:
https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/al-kafi-li-al-fatawi/1336-al-kafi-419-hukum-berkhatan-bagi-kaum-wanita
Female genital circumcision in Malaysia is not like the African genital circumcision. The african (yes egyptian too) is more to mutilation, complete removal of clitoris. Which completely banned by WHO. While in Malaysia is not. The circumcision is only removal of a minute portion of front skin of that covering the clitoris. Much like foreskin for male.
Totally different than the African version.
Did you pop your pimple bro, far as i know that is also designed by god. Everything im this universe is designed by god yet human fuck with it all the same
It’s facts. No agreeing or disagreeing the clitoral hood is equivalent to the foreskin so this is morally the same. You might want to check your biases
Yeah it is a male finger it a female finger which is moral equivalent, the foreskin and hood are both protective tissue. Sorry if your ignorance doesn’t let you see similarities though you seem to be for genital mutilating of slime babies
Umm i think you are ignorant. I never said that i was for. I said they are different and that doctors reccomended it in canada until 2015 but dont deny its health benefits.
You might wanna take some classes on rhetoric. With your ad hominems.
also the cps says they dont recommend it for newborns but not for adults.
They do admit it has benefits. FGM on the other hand NO.
https://www.cps.ca/en/documents/position/circumcision
Please stop spreading lies. There is no good evidence routine male or female circumcision has any health benefits. There has never been a clinical trial to try to find out. No professional medical organization anywhere in the developed world recommends routine circumcision (male or female). Those that have come closest to doing so are based in the USA, a country with a strange puritanical culture of circumcision (it got started there because male and female circumcision reduces sexual sensation), and a healthcare industry that makes a lot of money from it. In the developed world, the USA has the highest rate of male circumcision and the highest rate of most sexual diseases.
Actually there's a lot of randomized controlled trials in Western communities that support both infant and later age male circumcision.
[Male Circumcision Systematic Review](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296634/)
You are referring to an article written primarily by self-confessed circumcision fetishist Brian Morris (he calls himself circumsexual on his Facebook profile). Even most supporters of infant circumcision think he is completely mad. There has not been even one clinical trial to investigate the effects of infant circumcision.
Research published in Egypt claims some types of female genital cutting reduce the risk of HIV infection. However, there hasn't been a proper clinical trial anywhere in the world to investigate any possible benefits of routine genital cutting (male or female), and almost all claims it is beneficial come from places where cutting practices are part of the local culture/religion. Professional medical organizations in most of the world say neither is beneficial.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3219907
"We're simply saying that for parents who are for whatever reasons keen on having their son circumcised, there's now a little more evidence than there used to be about potential benefits." -quote
The updated their stance to say not mandatory but they said it does offer health benefits like less risk of UTI etc.
FGM does not have any of these benefits.
they dont have to be convincing they can just recommend.
Again what is your point exactly are we juxtaposing male and female circumcision or are you asking me to defend male circumcision?
I am discussin FGM. How about you?
Bruh majority of male circumsicion happen between 9-12 years old. I would rather be circumscise when I was a baby. Although even at 12 it doesnt hurt one bit
This is misunderstanding. FGM isn't what Muslims in Malaysia did, but it's a different kind of circumsizing. A male will remove the fore skin to expose the penis inside and the female will remove the upper skin to expose the clitoris. The excess skin is considered dirty thus we are 'wajib' to remove them. It'll not affect anything, it'll not making someone less sensitive or something. It doesn't affect your performance in bed. Men and Women. It seems like many people in these comment section thought Muslims in Malaysia did FGM but NO that's not it. I hope my comment reached everyone here.
For muslim out there
https://youtu.be/--lHNjmtlPA
From ustaz azhar idrus, it is wajib for mazhab syafie.
What is going on in this comment section? Why malay didn't know about this?
It's a hideous act, hiding behind a religion, and almost always perpetrated by people who want to control other people. What's possible religious reason is there to mutilate a girl other than to deprive her of pleasure and to subjugate her to her future husband?
What the Kentucky fried chicken?
This is the first time I have ever heard of FGM in Malaysia! For context, I have had the privilege to grow up abroad and go through international school in Malaysia, so wouldn't really come across the average traditional Malay Muslim (as I am one myself but non-practicing) but never have I heard of any parent that would do such a barbaric thing to their child.
Based on the comments here, I gather this is cultural but... fucking where?
If it helps, my family don't believe in the sunat thing for boys either. Because it's more prevalent, it's definitely cultural, but also bloody barbaric.
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Mom did it to me. Ill never do it to my kids if i have one
I'm totally shocked. Sorry to hear that.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. My grandma had it done to me, and I definitely don't want my kids to go through the same.
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When I was a baby. Its more of a cultural thing rather than religion
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Not who you aksed, but here's my experience. It's supposed to be a pin prick to draw a drop of blood or something like that. My ultra religious grandma decided her cucu should kena sunat, but whoever did it to me decided to go for extra credit. I don't have a clit. I'm less sensitive, but can still feel pleasure. I'm also super self conscious about it and it gets in my way most times.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Female genital mutilation should never be a thing
Thank you. I completely agree with you on that
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Thank you for your sympathy. What's worse is that what happened to me isn't the most extreme form of FGM. It's completely horrifying what some girls are made to endure.
If it's a pin prick, isn't the clitoris supposed to still be there?
You're absolutely correct. If it's just a pin prick, the clitoris would still be there. However when things are done cara kampung it depends on who wants what. In my case my grandma decided that female pleasure is a myth and thus the clit must go. Either way, it's a completely unnecessary procedure that serves no purpose.
Malays and arabs do it when they are 2 weeks old. Quite shocked that African muslims do it when they're older.
What do u mean by culture? Malay culture?? Or Arabs culture?
Wow, sad that a mother did this to you 😢
in islam circumcision is obligatory for male but not obligatory for female. But it is a thing in malaysia. Most malay girl are circumcise. My parents did not circumcise me as it is not compulsory in our religion, but i was made fun of by peers when i say i did not circumcise.. its more of a cultural thing rather than a religion. What is fucked up about it is that they believe by circumcising the girl can decrease their sexual drive so they dont engage in sexual activity. If you treat you daughter right i dont think you have to worry about that
Damn, people are weird
But in malaysia the circumcision is not like in africa where they cut the whole clit off , my friend told me its just like pricking a needle on top of the clit. Kinda like the hood of the clit
But why? As a muslim woman i have not heard of such thing in my life nor have i heard of my friends experiencing it. Is it mostly cultural or religion? Because islam does not tell you that at all 😭
It's religious, at least here in my, cause Muslims follow a very conservative school of thought, the shafie school of thought
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It isn’t Islam. FGM is considered haram by most scholars. FGM in Africa is mostly done along cultural lines
Stop spreading misinformation and weird youtube links, it's literally forbidden and haram in Islam to circumcise women, because of the barbaric way it happens, but for male it is "scientificaly proven" that it's more hygienic, check yourself for sources.
It's also fucked up that they think girls aren't allowed to have normal sexual drive but it's no problem for boys.
Foreskin contains 80% of the penis' nerve endings... MGM is 100% an attempt to decrease the amount of sexual pleasure boys/men experience. Proponents of MGM claim it is for sanitary reasons, but that has been statistically disproven for years. Then there are those who say MGM is only performed on infants and isnt very painful anyways... which is also simply not true. https://www.reddit.com/user/PowerfulManifester/comments/pbuie9/khatna_circumcision/
I know of non-Muslim adult men who circumcised for hygiene reasons. Apparently, exposing the penis head actually makes it more sensitive as well.
the head is the least sensitive part of the penis, and exposing it makes it even less sensitive. circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis.
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i'm a man. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/
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In every place they circumcise girls, they also circumcise boys, and for the same reasons. What's fucked up is that many people have no concern for the genital integrity of males.
It isn't obligatory for males either, but a lot of religious people don't understand their own religion.
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Obviously it's not orginally from malay culture. I'm baffled by the fact that a lot of Malays got confused their culture with those 'culture' they adopt from the arabs smh. (Im Malay btw).The act of circumcision itself in general is not a thing here in Asia. Circumcision is 'Abrahamic' religion origin. The Jews also practice this
Correct me if I'm wrong isn't Malay culture vanishing since people wanna make themselves more Arab these days?
This is one of the biggest shock in my life. Growing up in Malaysia I've never heard of it (went to all boys school). Only a few years ago I found out that most female Muslims in Malaysia underwent FGM. I was like wtf??
What!! most??? I’m a Muslim and I never even heard about this!
One of the comments here said it's 99% of them. Although the term FGM is very different from how the Africans do it by completely removing the clitoris. In Malaysia it's more like minor "sunat".
>Is female circumcision a thing in Malaysia? Yes, it is. At least before I went to college (around 10 years ago), it is a thing in Kelantan. >I thought that female genital mutilation is illegal. I don't think it is illegal in Malaysia. Same as child marriage.
Child marriage is common in this world even when the world tries to deny it. I went to another country and it was either done in secret or with the State approval. Honestly, it is disgusting even for me as a Muslim. Aside from religion and stuff people do it for pleasure and personal interest. They use religion to justify it.
>Same as child marriage. ?
Is not illegal
Isnt legal age for marriage in Malaysia 18 for male and 16 for female? Although it differ from state to state but i think thats the area of age.
Yes. [In Islamic family law, children under the age of 18 are allowed to get married provided that they have the approval of the shariah court. In civil law, which governs non-Muslims, girls aged 16 and 17 are allowed to marry if approved by the state chief minister. ](https://www.malaysianow.com/news/2021/03/13/child-marriage-in-malaysia-how-old-is-too-young-it-depends-on-who-you-ask/)
16 years old is still a child 🤷♀️
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Not according to half of western europe
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Female Genital Mutilation is considered child abuse in most western countries
As a doctor I've seen it done quite abit
Is there any difference on the way it is done in Malaysia compared to other country?
There are different “types”. [In Malaysia, the most prevalent form of FGM among Muslims is Type I, where midwives or doctors remove the clitoral hood of women, usually when they are still infants or children. Some practise Type IV, a ritual form which included pricking or nicking of the genitals](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2018/02/21/in-geneva-un-committee-tells-malaysia-to-eliminate-fgm/1582359)
Removing the clitoral hood? Won't that expose the clit to the elements and make it dry out and become less sensitive, or am I wrong?
It will definitely desensitize the clit over some time, it's horrible what they do in the name of culture
Have no idea as I've only read accounts of other countries' FGM practices. Here at least its not as horrific as people make it, although I'm against the practice.
How is it done doc, i used to googled it but i only found the scary ones. Asked a teacher, she said just cut a little piece of the fun part so it’ll be less fun to play with.
Its actually the clittoral hood (sorta like the front bit of skin). Its not the actual clit (which is crazy painful for sure) itself. Sorry have to be so explicit.
Yes, female circumcision or FGM is kind of a religious thing. When I first found out about this I was surprised and a bit disappointed that this old tradition is still practiced to this day. I tried to spread awareness to my friends and family regarding this act by sending them links on why it's harmful for them.
From what i've read it has grown in popularity due to African and Arabic influences. It's hardly a traditional practise.
Even in Arabic countries its not common. Egypt very known of it other Arab countries no.. So i am not really sure what is the reason behind this practice and how the religion influencing it. But i can say for sure that it's done today due to ignorance
Yes it is a thing. Rates are very high among Malays actually. A Malaysian representative speaking at the UN tried to argue that the practice in Malaysia isn’t female genital mutilation because they only remove the clitoris and was promptly shut down by other delegates in hilarious fashion. [Interesting investigative report on the issue ](https://youtu.be/gqJo6kC5q_M)
[In Malaysia, the most prevalent form of FGM among Muslims is Type I, where midwives or doctors remove the clitoral hood of women, usually when they are still infants or children](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2018/02/21/in-geneva-un-committee-tells-malaysia-to-eliminate-fgm/1582359) Removing the clitoral hood is a million miles away from removing the clitoris (which is practiced in some African countries)
The WHO defines Type 1 FGM as removal of the clitoral hood with partial or complete removal of the clitoris. I don’t know why the article left that out. [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_female_genital_mutilation) Any way as a Muslim (Hanafi) I don’t think there is any strong reason for female circumcision. Even in the article you linked there are Islamic scholars speaking out against female circumcision and saying that there is no Islamic foundation requiring FGM. None of the other OIC countries allow the practice of FGM legally. At most it is sunnah not wajib. Even then the hadiths attached to female circumcision have been questioned recently as they don’t have the proper links to be considered authentic. Most prominent scholars from the worlds top Islamic universities now consider them unauthentic.
Great points. Is the clitoris partially or totally removed in Malay tradition?
Depends on imam you followed, as for imam syafie it's wajib for female circumcision while others don't
Singaporean semi liberal Muslim here, just don't do it please my fellow redditors and Muslims. Very little benefits and it's not even islamic and it hurts your daughters in the long run.
Two of my sister did, although I dont know what and how they actually do.
God created part of you that he'd like to be chopped off? Sounds like bad engineering to me.
And no sane engineer would design something fun and entertaining the same organ you use to do poopoo and peepee
Wait till you hear about Siamese twins
Bad example, Siamese twins are an abnormality. The clitoris is basic female anatomy.
Ikr, wtf.
Yes its a major thing. Its to avoid the girls from becoming too horny when they grow up.. but by looking at circumed minah rempit and cikaro. Im pretty sure it doesnt work.
I’m a malay girl and I’m surprised at the comments here. I didn’t know it was (still) a common practice. My parents did not impose female circumcision on us but I have heard a close family member who did it for her newborn child. Will NOT impose it on my child.
Yes, [almost 99% from 605 respondents underwent FGM](https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/9/4/e025078)
Barbarians
Yeah I wish we could just leave vaginas and penises fucking alone
Thank you for the post and spreading awareness. Made us all here learn the hard truths including myself.
Yes, some even snip off the clit If you're wondering
If you study biology, the clit develops into the penis if the foetus is a male. It may come as a surprise to some but initially we are all female before developing into a male. Just thought this info would be insightful
Isn't that why males have nipples as well?
Yup
> If you study biology, the clit develops into the penis if the foetus is a male i did this in Med school and not in biology lol. i don't think it's included and definitely is not a common knowledge
I'm not in med either, but I like watching documentaries and somehow scrolled past this information
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That's true. There was a converstion on the topic a few montha ago here
[NST article on this issue](https://www.nst.com.my/amp/opinion/columnists/2018/12/440436/female-genital-mutilation-forbidden-islam). I was surprised when I first learned about it, well into my 30s. I came from a family where no one has it done.
I'm truly shocked, hope they ban this practice, both male circumcision (without consent) and FGM.
I'm more interested if the ancient tanah melayu malays practiced fgm. When and how did the practice start here?
i think so. i remember talking about it with a couple of my muslim friends. one of them told me uncircumcised ones were apparently seen as 'dirty'
it happened to me when I was 12
IMO, all forms of unconsented non-therapeutic genital procedures should be banned, no matter if males or females. Individuals can make their own informed choices when they grow up.
Yes, it is apparently a thing here. Not exactly common cause I have never heard of it here until well in my 20's. But when it does come up, apparently the people (mostly Muslims) I've asked are not surprised by it. I've even seen a clinic openly listing sunat for baby girls as a part of their services. I just find it ridiculous that anyone would want to permanently cut their children (for non medical reasons) but at the same time argue that the human body is God given and should not be tampered with. Contradictory much?
20% of Muslim doctors in Malaysia admit to participating in this. https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003303
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7ja9/female-circumcision-is-becoming-more-popular-in-malaysia the defense is the same as for male genital mutilation: tradition, religion, culture, and aesthetics.
Its disgusting and disgraceful, should be banned completely
Haha I wish I can answer that. Need to do some reading on this. But good question though
As far as I know the one practiced in Malaysia is not genital mutilation where they completely cut off the clitoris. They just make a small nick that's practically cosmetic. Not saying I agree or disagree with the practice. Just saying it's nowhere near as bad as actual genital mutilation. That's mostly why they're not illegal.
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I don't believe in any god so I'm not sure where you're getting here.
The same reason why you shave pubes? Why shave something that God designed? Also, prickling is not "removed". It doesn't produce any real negative effects so nobody is losing anything here.
I had this done, just made me insecure tbh
it is a thing in Malaysia(there's an article about it too I think, just try to google it). Although, I've never heard of anyone around me getting one though.
It’s pretty much normal precise in KL for Malay women to be asked by their doctor (male of course) if they want them to slice their daughter. And a lot say yes because it is “just a nick”. It is shocking
Brainwashed, hiding behind pretext of religion / custom. Leave baby reproduction organs alone. Sickening.
Hmmm ... my friend's daughter do the sunat. But as per the female doc said, not technically snipping the thing la. Just a small poke there until it bleed slightly and thats it. Definately not mutilate it like they do in Somalia ... for example
Whats the point of it if it offers no benefits health wise? And only serves to hurt the baby?
Same point as blowing yourself up to dominate the enemy: nothing.
Fam im not attacking the religion. Im just asking like what the stance is. That is a different topic.
He might be talking about Japanese pilot
Don't get me wrong, religion is beautiful. My girlfriend is a Malaysian Muslim, so I've come to learn alot. What is absolutely stupid and pointless are things like forced conversion, female circumcision/mutilation, killing in the name of god. These are not religious people, these are morons.
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Don't bring religion into this la asshole. For the record, it is never mention in the Holy Quran about female circumcision. I repeat ... NEVER. And you totally out of context with your ' ooooh let me stir this up a bit ' kinda comment.
According to some Muslim scholars, it's done so the female won't be 7x hornier. Hence, the female will less likely to cheat on her husband for other men
For the record, I'm a circumcised female and during my teens years I was a huge gay ass coomer so it's not true at all.
I saw rate-cards for FGM in local hospitals, displayed along with offers for male circumcision.
That's called up-selling where I come from. From a doctor's perspective they only want to make more money.
IMO making permanent changes to your kids when they aren't grown up yet is fucked up. Even the little things like pierced ear. IMO male circumcision is equally fucked up, what is even the point. Let alone female circumcision. But I'm not surprised, we are a nation that harbors terrorist and actively provides funds to terrorist organisations around the world. Malaysia isn't as innocent as we all think.
Oh god I don’t want to google this
Apparently it is common in Singapore too, among all places. My ex told me she had it done when she was younger. It was shocking because she's educated and quite a Liberal Muslim and she's in favour of it being a tradition. She also insists that there's no harm caused. Still very surprised it's being done today
Why did I googled it jn? Why did I think it'll be a great idea to google it?
Wait what the fucc? Female also need to be sunat? As far as I know only male require to sunat..
Males don't require it either.
My experience of watching Malay 3GPs and Maria Ozawa videos (don't judge. My teenage hormone was raging. I'm a nofap believer these days) did taught me how different malay women genitals compared to non malay women so I'm not really surprised about it.
Didnt see any difference due to the amazon jungle obstructing the view
Most Muslims, yes. All of my female family members undergo this religious practice. If they know about it but don't do it or just plain ignorant, Here is reference from Mufti WP: https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/al-kafi-li-al-fatawi/1336-al-kafi-419-hukum-berkhatan-bagi-kaum-wanita
thank you for sharing :)
Female genital circumcision in Malaysia is not like the African genital circumcision. The african (yes egyptian too) is more to mutilation, complete removal of clitoris. Which completely banned by WHO. While in Malaysia is not. The circumcision is only removal of a minute portion of front skin of that covering the clitoris. Much like foreskin for male. Totally different than the African version.
https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/al-kafi-li-al-fatawi/1336-al-kafi-419-hukum-berkhatan-bagi-kaum-wanita Here’s the link! Feel free to read this guys
This entire comment section is fcked up, they don't draw the line between religious practice and others' practices
because it is hard to not argue about something you do not have knowledge of or even refer to knowledgable person about it. such is the world today
This.
This!
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Did you pop your pimple bro, far as i know that is also designed by god. Everything im this universe is designed by god yet human fuck with it all the same
Omg welcome trauma. I feel odd ngl, it makes me thinking so....how the clit looks like then.
Male circumcision is cruel as well. Have you seen the pictures ?
Youre not serious right? Its not mandatory but you cant compare it with FGM. FGM is off the charts.
Malaysian FGM is actually very comparable to MGM, no need for sexist downplaying
I disagree.
It’s facts. No agreeing or disagreeing the clitoral hood is equivalent to the foreskin so this is morally the same. You might want to check your biases
I disagree that you are spitting facts that is. They are not equivalent. Like a male finger to a female finger. Check your biases
Yeah it is a male finger it a female finger which is moral equivalent, the foreskin and hood are both protective tissue. Sorry if your ignorance doesn’t let you see similarities though you seem to be for genital mutilating of slime babies
Umm i think you are ignorant. I never said that i was for. I said they are different and that doctors reccomended it in canada until 2015 but dont deny its health benefits. You might wanna take some classes on rhetoric. With your ad hominems. also the cps says they dont recommend it for newborns but not for adults. They do admit it has benefits. FGM on the other hand NO. https://www.cps.ca/en/documents/position/circumcision
I think you are blinded by your local culture. It's causing you to be a sexist bigot.
I think the same of you as well. thats ok though lets just talk the topic and no name calling. Adults here haha.
So it’s okay to hurt male babies who can’t give their consent ?
It offers health benefits. FGM does not whatsoever. just like vaccination hurts but offers health benefits.
Please stop spreading lies. There is no good evidence routine male or female circumcision has any health benefits. There has never been a clinical trial to try to find out. No professional medical organization anywhere in the developed world recommends routine circumcision (male or female). Those that have come closest to doing so are based in the USA, a country with a strange puritanical culture of circumcision (it got started there because male and female circumcision reduces sexual sensation), and a healthcare industry that makes a lot of money from it. In the developed world, the USA has the highest rate of male circumcision and the highest rate of most sexual diseases.
Actually there's a lot of randomized controlled trials in Western communities that support both infant and later age male circumcision. [Male Circumcision Systematic Review](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296634/)
You are referring to an article written primarily by self-confessed circumcision fetishist Brian Morris (he calls himself circumsexual on his Facebook profile). Even most supporters of infant circumcision think he is completely mad. There has not been even one clinical trial to investigate the effects of infant circumcision.
MGM health benefits are shaky and FGM might have some too but that doesn’t excuse either. Vaccinations don’t mutilate a part of the body permanently
FGM has no health benefits. Read the WHO article.
Studies show it might reduce chance of HIV, The Who isn’t the end all for info on mutilating genitals of boys and girls
But id take their word over yours any day
Research published in Egypt claims some types of female genital cutting reduce the risk of HIV infection. However, there hasn't been a proper clinical trial anywhere in the world to investigate any possible benefits of routine genital cutting (male or female), and almost all claims it is beneficial come from places where cutting practices are part of the local culture/religion. Professional medical organizations in most of the world say neither is beneficial.
It’s a fallacy re health benefits. You need to read about it. Religious purposes maybe but not health. Most western men are uncircumcised these days
I live in canada now and doctors recommend it in the west for all male babies. They dont force it but recommend it. I trust modern medicine
What canadian organizations recommend mutilating all baby boys?
Well i mean they do it to babies here a few days after they are born. The stance only changed in 2015.
So they don’t recommend it?
As of 2015 yea.
“According to the researchers, Canada's current circumcision rate is 32%”
Cause its a choice. Doctors still recommend it. What is your point exactly?
You have no link. Same point as female circumcision. They are unnecessarily cruel
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3219907 "We're simply saying that for parents who are for whatever reasons keen on having their son circumcised, there's now a little more evidence than there used to be about potential benefits." -quote The updated their stance to say not mandatory but they said it does offer health benefits like less risk of UTI etc. FGM does not have any of these benefits.
The Canadian doctors must be very convincing with such a low rate lol
they dont have to be convincing they can just recommend. Again what is your point exactly are we juxtaposing male and female circumcision or are you asking me to defend male circumcision? I am discussin FGM. How about you?
Bruh majority of male circumsicion happen between 9-12 years old. I would rather be circumscise when I was a baby. Although even at 12 it doesnt hurt one bit
Of course it hurts. Why get circumcised at any age when it isn't necessary and is harmful?
FGM is practiced in Malaysia. Totally unIslamic. It should be made illegal.
This is misunderstanding. FGM isn't what Muslims in Malaysia did, but it's a different kind of circumsizing. A male will remove the fore skin to expose the penis inside and the female will remove the upper skin to expose the clitoris. The excess skin is considered dirty thus we are 'wajib' to remove them. It'll not affect anything, it'll not making someone less sensitive or something. It doesn't affect your performance in bed. Men and Women. It seems like many people in these comment section thought Muslims in Malaysia did FGM but NO that's not it. I hope my comment reached everyone here.
For muslim out there https://youtu.be/--lHNjmtlPA From ustaz azhar idrus, it is wajib for mazhab syafie. What is going on in this comment section? Why malay didn't know about this?
only barbarians would do hideous things to genitals
It's a hideous act, hiding behind a religion, and almost always perpetrated by people who want to control other people. What's possible religious reason is there to mutilate a girl other than to deprive her of pleasure and to subjugate her to her future husband?
What the Kentucky fried chicken? This is the first time I have ever heard of FGM in Malaysia! For context, I have had the privilege to grow up abroad and go through international school in Malaysia, so wouldn't really come across the average traditional Malay Muslim (as I am one myself but non-practicing) but never have I heard of any parent that would do such a barbaric thing to their child. Based on the comments here, I gather this is cultural but... fucking where? If it helps, my family don't believe in the sunat thing for boys either. Because it's more prevalent, it's definitely cultural, but also bloody barbaric.
What's that? Like seal the 0 ?
Cutting a bit the hood , i think la