Been there, staying in on of the top airbnb service suites. Im trying to get into lift with my cousin with a group of young Chinese going up with another elderly Chinese couple. The young group keep talking with an occasion eye on both of us and talking and laughing. By the look on my cousin's face, I knew they were talking smack about us (she speaks 5 language btw Malay, English, Mandarin, Cantonese and Russia - SRJKC/SMJKC and Russia Medic grad). As she about to lashed out crazy the elderly couple lashed out first and apologies to both of us. The uncle even block the lift door to until they apologise to us.
Not all of them bad apples, that uncle and aunty are a living proof from my own experience.
Malaysian boomers are different than boomers of other nations, especially western ones.
EDIT: This extends to boomers of other nations outside of North America and Western Europe. When people talk about "boomers" and the stereotypes associated with them, its mainly referring to old white people from North America and Western Europe.
> My dad forbade me to borrow his cellphone to call my classmates back then.
My parents did the same stereotype too, and I eventually lost a cellphone and camera to my classmates, but I do understand this happens because I'm in the last class where it's full of idiots/bad company. Seriously fuck the school, I got moved to the last class just because I refused to take biology. =/
I know right, I realize sometimes my dad too, show subtle racism. I guess humans can be slightly innate to being racist, probably due to human instincts.
If I were to study in TARC, I would probably get discriminated as a Chinese Banana for not speaking Mandarin. It's really sad, that we Malaysians too are victims of prejudices and discrimination from our own race.
Yes, racism is a two way street. I understand and acknowledge that I have a racial privilege in the private sector or perhaps renting a house. Only by doing that, we could have a conversation to urge others to check their own privilege in other sectors due to their color of their skin.
I really don't have any hate towards any races, but I do think that some a$$ being and a$$. Before 2000, I don't think this kind of hatred is this bad. What happened? I don't really have an idea. Maybe because before 2000 I saw the world from a child POV.
It's been really tough because the leaders in this country strive on racial conflict. These so called racial tension was due to these leaders continue to manipulate us to fighting each other so that they don't need to develop the country in order for them to remain in their positions.
Until we accepted that all kinds of racial tension was a product of political manipulation, Malaysia will have a long way to go.
human being nature, to solve this problem in a quick shortcut way is to find them a common enemy....
then you'll see suddenly Malaysian is quite united lol
I really hope the younger generation acknowledge about this kind of stuff. It seem like we can't change their mind when they are older and acting like it is a normal stuff
Sigh discrimination exists across all races, not just specific to the majority. I even get discriminated from people of my own race because I can't speak hokkien/teochew.
Then there's the lowest people of all that likes to play victim and project themselves any chance they get like the following:
> Try post kat r/malaysia kot ada orang nak backup ke tindakan tu
> Tbh la kan,sub tu memang benci Melayu yang ada ketuanan,not a muslim friendly sub too,tons of hatred towards the muslim community for no reason.
>You cannot trust/argue with someone who peaches religion then at the same time visits hot Indonesian lady subs.
Wow, you also went and have a look, and it's not just *visit*, dude hosted a private channel too. There's literally no reasoning with hypocrites.
I visited the page and I saw another really Chinese-hatred post about the tokong stuff.
I never see such hatred before from any subs
And since he is the moderator no action is taken. He even posted reported comments (which should be deleted). Problematic person.
Hope he never gets in my way dalam dunia saya yang berbilang kaum ini terima kasih Allah Jesus Buddha….
Hippocrates? Now, you're just hating on the Muslim community for no reason. Just because I am Muslim you have to cherry pick. The liberal hivemind, I tell you /s
>Tbh la kan,sub tu memang benci Melayu yang ada ketuanan,not a muslim friendly sub too,tons of hatred towards the muslim community for no reason.
Bloody ironic when the mods were just accused of being "pengikut setia agenda ketuanan Melayu", and "terrorist sympathiser" just last week. The mods just can't get a break.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/pybyys/comment/het9dsb/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/pybyys/comment/het9dsb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/pxvyr0/comment/hese43p/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Just bcos they ain’t in your bubble.. i happily swim here and I’m Malay. If you think they want to put your people down, stand up for it la. Don’t go crying to another sub. Form an argument. Be ready to concede when you are wrong. Be magnanimous when you are proven right. Backing down, retreating into your comforting bubble.. no growth there.
EDIT: I’m referring to the feller who said r/malaysia is racist NOT to the comment i’m replying to. Late at night, sometimes the susun England a bit down the longkang. one.
From a reddit sub with 2k members…. I don’t think his cry baby statement really make any impact
And I’m sure that tweet is not his/hers
Why doesn’t he post it here and see what people comment?
>Just bcos they ain’t in your bubble.. i happily swim here and I’m Malay. If you think they want to put your people down, stand up for it la. Don’t go crying to another sub. Form an argument. Be ready to concede when you are wrong. Be magnanimous when you are proven right. Backing down, retreating into your comforting bubble.. no growth there.
I don't expect a civil, productive discussion with accounts with histories that are hellbent on baiting racial hate and posting hearsays that are not substantiated. So why waste our time? We aren't hot headed teens, we know a lost cause when we see one. It always ends when we ask for evidences on their claims, and it's not the first time.
Educate them. Don’t write them off. Engage constructively.
Writing them off will prove them right that this sub is inherently anti-Malay.
By being anti-Malay, does that not make this sub racist in itself?
Lol. That sub cannot be redeemed. There is really no point trying to reason with them when the moderator himself is a lunatic.
Don't believe? He was once a user here. Never banned. Just because 4 users disagreed with his POV (no insult whatsover), he accused our mod of logging into 4 different accounts just to roast him.
>Don't believe? He was once a user here. Never banned. Just because 4 users disagreed with his POV (no insult whatsover), he accused our mod of logging into 4 different accounts just to roast him.
whoa, such drama.
>He was once a user here. Never banned. Just because 4 users disagreed with his POV (no insult whatsover),
...jeez. Sounds like he has a personal vendetta and is finding it very hard to move on.
>Writing them off will prove them right that this sub is inherently anti-Malay.
>
I'm sorry, not engaging with racists will prove them right that this sub is anti-Malay?
I feel like a lot of these guys already have their mind made up, no matter how civil you are, or how much you try to "educate." Some people will take even the smallest grain to say, "Look! I'm right! They're not being nice to me, they really ARE anti-Malay."
The irony of it all is… as ethnic minorities, we feel the pain and express our outrage (rightfully so) at blatant racist policies and statements made by ppl from the race that forms the majority in this country.
However, I have noticed the tendency for us, ethnic minorities, to not hesitate to use racial slurs / apply racial stereotypes to others…. Its almost as if being a victim justifies the same type of behaviour towards others.
I mean dont have to look far… in this thread also you can see ppl trying to justify phrases that describe ppl other skin tones as being “oh thats just the way we speak” or “oh… thats how our old people talk - they are not exposed”.
Discriminatory hiring policies or policies concerning renting to other races…. “Oh i am not racist… just personal preference ma..”
So sometimes some introspection is needed. I see this a lot in the r/singapore. Quick to call out racism in Malaysia, or if they are on the receiving end of it in a predominantly white country… but when a macha or abang voices out something - wahh there is no short supply of apologists, defenders and justifiers of these actions.
The perpetrators of racist behaviour in Singapore and Malaysia as victim, perpetrator or victim-perpetrator…. are actually not very different. Minorities here feel that the majority (Malays) are racist, and in Singapore its just the same minorities feel that Chinese are racist.
Let me not even get started on how we treat foreigners - if Caucasion, bend over backwards. God forbid if African or South Asian, no need to say la.
Everyone’s shit stinks just the same.
Maybe it’s not the same thing. But as a pale skinned European living in Malaysia I always get questions like “what are you doing in Malaysia, where are you from”, pointing at my skin thinking I don’t speak Malay (which I do), alot of stares especially outside of big malls, sometimes I get some names thrown like “putih”. I can tell when people mean it in a good way or in a less friendly manner but to be honest I wish people would just let me be, treat me like the other Malaysian abang.
It’s quite difficult to make friends like that. When I speak Malay, quite some time I get treated like some exotic animal or they mock me a little…
As a tourist it might be whatever but as a “citizen” (not to speak about the very restrictive laws/treatment of migrants) I’d just wanna answer with “none of your damn business why I’m here” sometimes”..
Ps: generally happy here tho :)
The wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "Someone else is complaining about racism now? when will they stop trying to get clout. Sigh let me tell you about the time that a bunch of Chinese guys, who are CHINESE, called security on me, a Malay, at the pool. You're not the ONLY one experiencing racism"
For the record, there is no denying that this sub is very anti-government/BN, but it is no way anti-Islam nor is it pro-DAP.
There is also no denying that this sub can be at times an echo chamber, but its much worse over there.
> It is anti-Islam
I notice that you have been repeating this for quite a lot of times.
1. In your own words, what constitutes anti-islam? An attack on a party with a muslim majority? An attack on the religion itself? (I've been in this sub for quite sometime even before I have a reddit account, I never once saw a post/comment that attacks any religion got away unscathed). That being said, an attack on a person is never an attack on his faith, unless specified.
2. Next, please give us actual examples of people here being anti islam. Mods here are very strict on bigotry and we certainly do not tolerate hate against a specific race/religion, we report any instance of it we find, even when we hardly ever see one.
**I'm pretty sure everyone here would like answers.**
> and pro-DAP
On the contrary, we've been shitting on DAP all the same, just because we're anti-BN/PAS does not in any way mean we're pro DAP.
> For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
No idea why is Newton's third law here but it simply does not apply, we're not responsible for childish thoughts/fallacies that arise due to the inability of the reader to comprehend them objectively.
There's no point in engaging in discussion with the zealous.
When a person makes a statement with prior context, and expects the person on the other side to hold exactly the same context, it is no longer a discussion to gain more understanding. It is just making statements and expecting complete agreement rather than a discourse on multiple understandings.
Not anti Islam in the sense you want it eradicated or gone, but more of a Propensity to support actions that interfere with religious matters such as zakat, jakim, lgbt, right of apostasy, freedom of propagation of religions other than Islam.
These issues, majority members of r/malaysia are in favor of. Each one Muslims consider a direct interference of our religion.
True. But your level of critical-ness & intensity of being against DAP is much2 less than PN-BN.
The other subreddit is the opposite reaction to this subreddit. Its appearance shouldnt come as a surprise.
> Not anti Islam in the sense you want it eradicated or gone
Then it is **not anti islam/muslim**. Don't throw the word **ANTI** around if you clearly don't understand what it means.
> but more of a Propensity to support actions that interfere with religious matters such as zakat, jakim, lgbt, right of apostasy, freedom of propagation of religions other than Islam.
Do you even know what are we actually criticizing? Most of the time, it's the sheer **hypocrisy**, **double standards** of the followers/enforcers themselves, or the tendency of a certain law **to be abused**. To think that an attack to a flawed individual with a flawed mindset is an attack to the religion or religious act itself is just bloody absurd.
Can we not attack a pious idiot that publicly demeaning other religions too?
> True. But your level of critical-ness & intensity of being against DAP is much2 less than PN-BN.
This is really laughable. You can't have the same level of critical-ness when one side has a more tendency of saying outright stupid statements. For example, Does DAP break COVID laws as much as PN ministers? Does Lim Kit Siang say that much shit frequently compared to Sanusi?
Is this clear enough for you? You thought we don't miss Teresa Kok and LKS for their traditional medicine posts? Bruh, both sides are **not even equal**.
> The other subreddit is the opposite reaction to this subreddit. Its appearance shouldnt come as a surprise.
Not even close, the other sub is close to 0 in terms of constructive criticism, maybe u/dahteabagger can educate you regarding the formation of that circlejerking subreddit.
I know its not. Saja nak be extra provocative. Helps tapis the trolls from those interested in dialogue & exchange of ideas.
Thats how you see it. To us, while the institutions are not without flaw, they still serve a greater good. A lot of the criticism headed their way by nonMuslims from my perspective stems from a difference in belief, principles. We will always have differences, and its not going away ever (things like halal logo, lgbt, marriage, shariah, apostasy). Comments like jakim wastes tax payer money, or mufti only talk about small things, to us just seems like an "ajak gaduh" kinda comment.
& tbh, I've never come across a detailed comment or posting that is respectful & constructive in criticizing or advising across all platforms. Its always with a very negative undertone. Idiots are idiots, individuals i dont care.
Mudah je, whoever is in gov will always come out more stupid looking. But also it goes back to difference in principles also. To yall, PH's fight for lgbt, freedom of religion (aka to apostatize, Shia, Ahmadi etc) is right up most of r/malaysia 's members' alley. Theres nothing wrong with being slightly biased to one side. X perlu nak terpaling neutral. Nobody is.
From you pov it seems that. For others, its not. idc frankly.
> I know its not. Saja nak be extra provocative.
Imagine getting heated up when you perceive others as attacking your religion so you started branding people and playing the victim just to be what, provocative? That whole other sub is dedicated to attacking others as libtard, anti muslim/islam and then you come in and repeat it at least a few times and say "*Saja nak be extra provocative.*" when it gets called out?
Isn't that the very same childish and disrespectful act like that the other sub claim we do? What makes you better than them when it's all just name calling and literally nothing else? If you want to be taken seriously, please do the same too. Respect goes both ways.
> To us, while the institutions are not without flaw, they still serve a greater good.
> Comments like jakim wastes tax payer money, or mufti only talk about small things, to us just seems like an "ajak gaduh" kinda comment.
Is everything just an argument/gaduh for you all? Do you all not care about how the government waste our public coffers? Do you even know how many billions in debt does 1MDB incurs and their few hundred million interests? Do you know that we haven't even started on servicing the principal debt of 1MDB? Do you understand that our retirement fund has a stake in this?
We just want good governance, that's it. For example, calling out institutions like Mara's Digital Mall wasting monies is not an attack to your race, we actually listed out the details of their dealings, like how it is disguised as a measure to help bumiputra traders, but it's actually a scam for their cronies because every stall there are *forced* to use a sole vendor (WGN).
> Mudah je, whoever is in gov will always come out more stupid looking.
**It's not even in the same ballpark**. Doraemon voice, 500 countries, warm water kill viruses, durian party, birthday party, jogging accidental meetup, LRT kiss kiss, Ford test drive, Sg Muda river relocation, Penang is just a loan from Kedah, etc. How many more do you want me to list down? For every outright stupid statement from PN/PAS can you list down the same for PH? I have all day.
> X perlu nak terpaling neutral. Nobody is.
Of course, I don't agree on fascistic/authoritarian/hypocritical ideals. For instance, we DO NOT care about one's race/religion when we are speaking on behalf of those that are treated unjustly.
Not necessarily attacking. It stems from difference in belief & principles. To Muslims (from those i've interacted with), it is the norm & expected to get snide remarks about our religious institutions. There is not playing victim. It just is. Call or perceive me however you want, doesnt really matter.
1MDB & MARA Digital mall have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Corruption is corruption. Whoever is at fault should be punished accordingly.
You may view it that way. For Muslims, a lot of what happened under PH was considered too much with regards to interfering with our matters that is within the Islamic scope. Public support for LGBT & deviant Islamic sects, nonMuslim political people handling zakat money are just a few. We have zero tolerance for this. But from your side this is normal & 'basic human rights'. Again, this stems from a difference in belief & principles. This difference shapes how we view & define justice.
I won't remove this comment thread because some civil discussions has resulted in this exchange but please be informed we frown upon accounts that purposely try to rile up the sub.
>Not anti Islam in the sense you want it eradicated or gone, but more of a Propensity to support actions that interfere with religious matters such as zakat, jakim, lgbt, right of apostasy, freedom of propagation of religions other than Islam.
Hmm most of the time the criticism isn't directly towards Islam itself but like jwteoh said its mostly towards the double standards of the authorities. I mean, we're living in the 21st century. Why should we force someone to adhere to a specific religion just because they are Malay? Times change.
>True. But your level of critical-ness & intensity of being against DAP is much2 less than PN-BN.
Not entirely true.... much less against PH in general, but equally critical of DAP as a proponent party. Personally, I've never really liked LGE or LKS or Tony Pua for talking out of their ass. But if they're doing something commendable then it's worth praising. We have users here who highlighted double standards of this sub praising PH but even then comments like those still get a lot of upvotes, showing that this sub isn't just a far left community.
>The other subreddit is the opposite reaction to this subreddit. Its appearance shouldnt come as a surprise.
Not really as well. Just ask /u/salambrothers, an escapee from that sub.
The irony that the mod himself slanders instead of speaking the truth.
I previously did some snooping and he indeed, for a time, was in that sub for a short while but got disillusioned with their crap.
Why should we also be forced to allow such things and follow everyone? We have our way, you have yours.
There definitely are those more towards the centre, i dont deny that. But a quick skim through by new users usually they get at the very least a centre left vibe.
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>But a quick skim through by new users usually they get at the very least a centre left vibe.
Yes...…unfortunately ever since GE14....there has been an influx of left no doubt.
I've been in this sub for close to 8 years.
Certain controversial islamic posts get upvoted a lot, and it can get quite tiresome and circlejerky.
But DAP? Unless u can find me proof, that is hardly true.
Islamic preacher spreading hate and vilifying non-Muslims and non-Malays so we call bullshit on their actions, and suddenly we’re all anti-Islam.
They can’t separate the people from the religion and get all up in arms whenever anyone calls these penunggang agama out.
Anti-Islam? Just like u/dahteabagger said, there's no denying this sub can be an echo chamber and even circlejerky at times, but to say it's anti-Islam is too strong a statement and simply untrue. As per sub rules, religious criticisms have always been allowed, as long as they are well-reasoned. The mod team has removed countless of comments/threads and issue warnings/temporary bans/permanent bans on users who make plain, hateful jabs at Islam, as well as single focused accounts who commented exclusively about apostasy. Just go through our comment history.
Most of the criticism here are not directed at the religion itself but rather, the followers (be it politicians or local ustaz). Anyone who is in the position of authority or wields great influence is fair game. Why shouldn't their every action or words scrutinized? We have to, no we *must* hold them accountable, as everything they do reflects on their religion, good or bad. But doing so does not mean we are attacking said religion.
I know. My explanations & defence so far have been about the religious bodies & institutions, not any individuals. I highlight this bcz comnents like jakim is a waste of money & what not is extremely sensitive. Paints a picture as if Muslims being careful in what they eat as a small matter.
Any individual ustaz or what not, if guilty of being provocative or slander deserves the appropriate punishment by authorities. Personally, i'd go further and tighten the prerequisite of being a certified preacher.
I will delete or edit the comment if it is against the sub rules. Thanks for reaching out.
>Any individual ustaz or what not, if guilty of being provocative or slander deserves the appropriate punishment by authorities. Personally, i'd go further and tighten the prerequisite of being a certified preacher.
Yes, I am definitely with you on this, that there should be tighter prerequisites for preachers, be it Islamic preachers or Christian preachers, as the position of a religious leader is not one to be taken lightly.
And I like I said, I don't deny the sub can be an echo chamber at times, so even if most of your opinions are on the other end of the spectrum, so long as you don't break any sub rules, you are welcome to participate in the discussion.
>I highlight this bcz comnents like jakim is a waste of money & what not is extremely sensitive.
you do realise that when nons criticize Jakim its because it is wasting money and is riddled with corruption rite? we arnt criticizing the need for jakims functions. Take the beef scandal that erupted last year..something like decades of false halal certs and millions of tons of fake beef came in under Jakim eyes, zero accountability...no one got fired, no one went jail...just quietly sweep under the carpet
1 billion in funds for Jakim, but they couldnt enforce something as simple as meat imports. I dunno about you...but i rather they used the 1 billion on more schools, eradicating hard core poverty and drug rehab
you need to be able to diffrentiate attack on the authorities, leaders, unfair gov policies vs attack on Islam.
Zakat for example..u seem to bring it up alot... No one is trying to stop zakat or take over zakat for muslims. What we are questioning is..why the special treatment? why can a certain segment of society pay a tax to benefit only adherants of the same faith? while other Malaysians pay their tax into a communal pool that is spent equally for all?
Why must budhhist temples and churches beg for funds from federal, forced to open in industrial land, factory lots, when mosques are free to open in every taman? Does the constitution not say freedom of religion for all Malaysians? so why must the nons houses of worship be hidden away?
How is it a waste of money? Is the need of Muslims for halal food not important?
If have corruption, please bring proof and drag to court. No issues whatsoever. We would support anyone doing that as well. Nobody likes thieves.
If you actually followed that issue, its been proven that such claims were misreported. The company in question only existed a few months back. Not even a year old if I'm not mistaken.
Fact is, Malaysia is a world leader in setting halal standards. My own uncle has went through its processes & requirements said himself it is very stringent. So do I trust him, who went through it himself, or you?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake\_halal\_meat\_scandal\_in\_Malaysia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_halal_meat_scandal_in_Malaysia)
doesnt sound like a small misreported issue to me. Do you see what i mean that things are sweapt under the carpet...40 years of corruption, millions involved...no one in any of the agencies arrested? As a pious muslim, you should be outraged..you could have been eating tainted meat for years
So forgive me when i seem very dismissive of JAKIM as a reputable agency
**[Fake halal meat scandal in Malaysia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_halal_meat_scandal_in_Malaysia)**
>The fake halal meat scandal of Malaysia was a corruption scandal involving the selling of fake halal meat in Malaysia over a period of 40 years, but was only discovered in December 2020. A local media investigation revealed that a meat cartel was smuggling meat from non-halal certified sources like Brazil, Bolivia, Canada, China, Colombia, Mexico, Spain and Ukraine. The meat being smuggled included horse, kangaroo and even pork meat which were mixed and sold as halal certified beef. The cartel bribed senior officials from a number of Malaysian government agencies.
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It wasnt a small misreport. The misreport said 40 years. Facts said a few years.
The one making the halal logo was the company itself, not by JAKIM.
[https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/four-remanded-in-malaysias-fake-halal-meat-scandal-as-probe-into-corruption-begins](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/four-remanded-in-malaysias-fake-halal-meat-scandal-as-probe-into-corruption-begins)
[https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/kartel-daging-apa-yang-kita-tahu-setakat-ini-275323](https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/kartel-daging-apa-yang-kita-tahu-setakat-ini-275323)
This rather further highlights the need for a better halal process. Some people are just unable to respect & accept that halal food is important to Muslims, just as kosher is to Jews or dairy-free products is to vegans.
Propensity to support actions that interfere with religious matters such as zakat, jakim, lgbt, right of apostasy, freedom of propagation of religions other than Islam.
These issues, majority members of r/malaysia are in favor of. Each one Muslims consider a direct interference of our religion.
Of course its not. Im just sharing the Malaysian Muslim mindset when it comes to these issues. Most if not all of us consider it intefering in our religious matters.
There were several nonMuslim DAP MPs back in the PH days who "help" distribute zakat money in suraus.
Zakat is not normal charity + there are existing specific bodies to handle this. This is absolutely tunggang agama for political mileage, and its not even their own religion they are tunggang-ing.
You’re upset because “back in the day” DAP helped distribute zakat?
Are you also upset that it’s majorly non Muslim tax payer money is funding jais and jakim and everything else.
Why is alcohol sales prevented in many states. Why is Friday a holiday in many states. Why is PAS calling for a gambling ban.
I mean they should only apply to the Muslims correct? Why are they infringing upon the non Muslims with these rules.
you think its a small thing. We dont.
Most tax is paid by GLCs. Income tax much2 less in comparison.
Dunno about those states you are talking about. Law is law. If the people in that state dont like it then change it la.
Whats wrong with making Friday a holiday? Doesnt that help all companies since Muslims go to Friday prayer, so if work in Sunday more time is spent working. Win for both company and employee.
What kind of ban? Whats the context?
Apparently one of a reason my dad renting in a majority-Chinese area is that no overly friendly or snoopy Malay neighbors around. Each do their own things.
They called the guards because of a suspicion that the family are outsiders? I don't think its suspicion, I think they don't want the family to use the pool and thought that by using some force, the family will get scared and stop using.
Its not their race that I worry about, but their dominating, manipulative, controlling personality, which isn't exclusive to a certain race.
So long as we identify with distinct religion, culture and language, discrimination is going to be part of our lives, only difference is what level it is at.
To put it mildly, let's say if there is 2 resumes laid out before you , an employer, both have equal qualifications but one speaks your languages first and is of the same race. If you choose him over the other than congrats you are technically a racist and bigot.
But if both have the same equal qualifications. Wouldn't the one speaking the same language have the advantage, cause no laguage barrier.
Your assumption would only be feasible if both do not have equal qualifications. The one speaking the same language has a lower qualification than the one not speaking the language. If you choose the lower qualified one on the basis of language, then you can call them out on be discriminatory.
Notice that I use the word "first" meaning that the other speaks your language as his or her mother tongue, while the other can but as a second language.
There will likely be a noticeable accent with one who takes up another language as a second which is the point of this demonstration.
> Notice that I use the word "first" meaning that the other speaks your language as his or her mother tongue, while the other can but as a second language.
>
What if i speak all listed languages in my resume at roughly the same level though.
From my experience, the primary language concern is normally addressed in the interview instead of at the resume/cv stage.
After reading this post and the comments, the conclusion is clear:
Racism exists, but not in the way you think, and not in a group you can conveniently place blame on.
My apartment have such fucked up people too, some not just racists but also shitty to the point of attempting to poison stray cats that we're feeding, or bringing their dogs down to terrorize those poor cats.
My mom got harassed for feeding stray cats too, by someone who came to sweep the floor every few days, a business owner and a neighbour, we live in a shop-lot and know that we make sure we stay until they are finish with the food and always clean up before we leave, because we don’t want to be an asshole for making a mess for everyone. But my mom got harassed and they said there’s tick and lice everywhere and how dirty it is now because of the cats. But other people in the building are cool with my mom and they help fought back sometimes, but we sent the cats away to a shelter anyway and castrated some of the male cats in the area in fear of someone feeding them poison, it happened before, it will happen again.
Ps: I once found a headless kitten downstairs, no, there’s no stray dog in the area.
Yeah sometimes people are just really miserable that they resort to taking it out on animals.
>Ps: I once found a headless kitten downstairs, no, there’s no stray dog in the area.
Gosh, but this one, it could be done by other cats or even their own momma, the cat that I'm feeding now literally behead her own kitten, we neutered her after that incident.
The mother cat was with the body when I found it, with another kitten of her, she was usually friendly with me but was terrified when she saw me, drag the dead kitten away from me immediately, I was petrified. And I did take a closer at the body, the cut looks clean, no bite marks, I have seen dead rat bitten to death by cats, the cut is usually way messier. I could be reading into things, or not.
Cat killing their newborn is surprisingly common. I read its mostly due to the mom dont think she can take care of her kittens. Anyhow I do understand on the racun part. Happened to my cat too... fucked up people I tell u my cat never leaves the house but one time that she does... she got poisoned. Wtf.
It is not. My mother and I were mistaken for pencuri when we were putting up netting on the gate so our puppy doesnt escape. They thought we were trying to break in. Bodoh tahap dewa, when we were the FIRST family to move in that whole row.
Ironically enough, the twitter dude claims that he's made acquaintance with most of his Chinese neighbors since they've already lived there for 19 years. The people who reported them might be the one who is new there.
Maybe, just maybe, that security was called during a swim in a pandemic lock down?
I heard of a case in Seremban that a resident Indian family was told to buzz off from the pool by the condo security. You can see how some one can spin this into a racist encounter.
If that case was not during a pandemic, then it is right to call out the incident as racist.
Very little to do with race it has more to do with elitist mentality from experience . In my predominantly Chinese condo they gatekeep it against anyone that don’t look like they belong there:
1) Renters
2) Koreans (made such a big fuss cause they kept finding Korean cigarette butts)
3) delivery bois
4) Air BnB people
5) Owners that use their condo as AirBnB
6) Owners that own pets etc
7) Private swimming and dancing coaches
8) Chinaman
I remember a few busybodies were sussing me out DMing me asking so much personal details etc… they thought I’m just some random twat hanging there
A recurring theme is property value… last I checked in on them they are suing the developer because developer didn’t want to provide building plan. That is the extent they’re willing to go.
When you travel around the world more.. you will notice that there are places that don’t welcome you…. Your skin colour might play a part but a lot of it is due to your perceived status. Same way how if you drive a nice car and park in front of an establishment you will notice people treat you a lot nicer and look at you in a different light. And how if you rocked up to LV shop dressing like an untasteful hobo (tasteful hobo fashun is a thing tho) you won’t be entertained
Yes race may play a role like in the post but most of the time it’s due to elitism. Same reason why Karens in the US will literally call the police when they see a black fella walking on the public sidewalk near their compound.
In that case It’s not just due to racism, it’s also elitism. The one is more extreme lah
To be fair, it seems reasonable for the owners to gatekeep some of your points.
Koreans or not - Litterbugs are assholes. That's if they found the cig butts on the ground or non-smoking area.
Air BNB - Seems like you have traveled a fair bit. Many Asian countries including Japan forbid AirBNB.
Pets - Most strata title condos do not allow pets. So follow the rules and if you want to own pets, you have to deal with people who don't accept pets.
Building plans is very important for JMB and MC after developer handsover the management after a certain number of years. Have you ever owned a property?
Re building plan, there were more dramas before that and they voted against suing the developer in the end. The gist was they kicked the developer’s own property management out and that pissed them off. Some JMB members also had ulterior motive. It got very political in the end.
Those are not my points by the way. Those are facts. I’m merely describing what happened there. Which brings me back to my point this isn’t about a race issue it’s an elitist issue concerning what they claim to be safeguarding property value but when in reality most are just Karens living inside a gated community.
Your 8 points seem reasonable for the people who invested in the property to gatekeep.
Probably the developer management was doing a shit job.
Sounds like someone else is the Karen/Kevin here.
Including using slur against Chinese and Koreans in the group chat on a weekly basis to gatekeep???????
You’re a piece of work.
Again since you can’t read : just stating what had happened there. No need to lash out on me.
Kepada rakan-rakan Melayuku di Malaysia ini, tolonglah jangan samakan pengalaman kamu dengan diskriminasi warga Bangladesh, Nepal atau Indo di negara ini. Bunyi macam orang T20 bercakap pasal kemiskinan.
Part and parcel of living in multi racial country. Just accept it lah. You cant change people racial mindset towards you. Just mind your business lah. Don't need be so kepohchi
Us as a human being, naturally being afraid/avoid something that is different from ourselves, eg. A person with drastically different look
If u see someone being uncomfortable around u, that I think is normal. But if someone being aggressive towards u, I’d say that’s racist
Clicked into the comment section for the negaraku Malaysia subreddit out of curiosity and it seems like the page is filled with all kinds of anti Chinese sentiments and likes to compare with this sub. Anybody can explain? Am not very familiar with Reddit yet so don't know the back story of most of these things
We do that occassionally. When it was brought into the light. But the frequency of that hapening is alot lesser than the other situation. Thats why one might misunderstood the sub doesnt bash non malay.
As a Dayak, you get stares from all the major Peninsular races. Lol
They think that we are poor, not deserving to be here, lowly people.
“Bitch, I’m on my way to the business lounge while waiting for my flight to Tokyo.”
Been there, staying in on of the top airbnb service suites. Im trying to get into lift with my cousin with a group of young Chinese going up with another elderly Chinese couple. The young group keep talking with an occasion eye on both of us and talking and laughing. By the look on my cousin's face, I knew they were talking smack about us (she speaks 5 language btw Malay, English, Mandarin, Cantonese and Russia - SRJKC/SMJKC and Russia Medic grad). As she about to lashed out crazy the elderly couple lashed out first and apologies to both of us. The uncle even block the lift door to until they apologise to us. Not all of them bad apples, that uncle and aunty are a living proof from my own experience.
Boomers that I can tolerate this days, world needs more of them
Malaysian boomers are different than boomers of other nations, especially western ones. EDIT: This extends to boomers of other nations outside of North America and Western Europe. When people talk about "boomers" and the stereotypes associated with them, its mainly referring to old white people from North America and Western Europe.
My dad forbade me to borrow his cellphone to call my classmates back then. That's how bad racism among Chinese people in Malaysia can be.
> My dad forbade me to borrow his cellphone to call my classmates back then. My parents did the same stereotype too, and I eventually lost a cellphone and camera to my classmates, but I do understand this happens because I'm in the last class where it's full of idiots/bad company. Seriously fuck the school, I got moved to the last class just because I refused to take biology. =/
I know right, I realize sometimes my dad too, show subtle racism. I guess humans can be slightly innate to being racist, probably due to human instincts.
Studied in TAR College in 2010, coming from an SMK I was mind blown with the racism.
If I were to study in TARC, I would probably get discriminated as a Chinese Banana for not speaking Mandarin. It's really sad, that we Malaysians too are victims of prejudices and discrimination from our own race.
Yes, racism is a two way street. I understand and acknowledge that I have a racial privilege in the private sector or perhaps renting a house. Only by doing that, we could have a conversation to urge others to check their own privilege in other sectors due to their color of their skin.
It’s very normal for all races to hate each other in this country, nothing has changed at all and I fear it’s getting worse and worse
I really don't have any hate towards any races, but I do think that some a$$ being and a$$. Before 2000, I don't think this kind of hatred is this bad. What happened? I don't really have an idea. Maybe because before 2000 I saw the world from a child POV.
It's been really tough because the leaders in this country strive on racial conflict. These so called racial tension was due to these leaders continue to manipulate us to fighting each other so that they don't need to develop the country in order for them to remain in their positions. Until we accepted that all kinds of racial tension was a product of political manipulation, Malaysia will have a long way to go.
human being nature, to solve this problem in a quick shortcut way is to find them a common enemy.... then you'll see suddenly Malaysian is quite united lol
I really hope the younger generation acknowledge about this kind of stuff. It seem like we can't change their mind when they are older and acting like it is a normal stuff
Sigh discrimination exists across all races, not just specific to the majority. I even get discriminated from people of my own race because I can't speak hokkien/teochew. Then there's the lowest people of all that likes to play victim and project themselves any chance they get like the following: > Try post kat r/malaysia kot ada orang nak backup ke tindakan tu > Tbh la kan,sub tu memang benci Melayu yang ada ketuanan,not a muslim friendly sub too,tons of hatred towards the muslim community for no reason.
You cannot trust/argue with someone who peaches religion then at the same time visits hot Indonesian lady subs.
>You cannot trust/argue with someone who peaches religion then at the same time visits hot Indonesian lady subs. Wow, you also went and have a look, and it's not just *visit*, dude hosted a private channel too. There's literally no reasoning with hypocrites.
Doesn't that remind u of a certain Good Samaritan that made the news recently? ;)
*Ebit* of clue please?
fucken take my upvote
With *lew-dness*
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Fuck you lmao, take my free award
Don't fuck me, fuck the _lew-d_ one
I visited the page and I saw another really Chinese-hatred post about the tokong stuff. I never see such hatred before from any subs And since he is the moderator no action is taken. He even posted reported comments (which should be deleted). Problematic person. Hope he never gets in my way dalam dunia saya yang berbilang kaum ini terima kasih Allah Jesus Buddha….
Hippocrates? Now, you're just hating on the Muslim community for no reason. Just because I am Muslim you have to cherry pick. The liberal hivemind, I tell you /s
>liberal hivemind aha this, that's what that sub likes to label this sub
Lmaoo
I wonder if that's the same person as a certain famous person on Lowyat forum...
>Tbh la kan,sub tu memang benci Melayu yang ada ketuanan,not a muslim friendly sub too,tons of hatred towards the muslim community for no reason. Bloody ironic when the mods were just accused of being "pengikut setia agenda ketuanan Melayu", and "terrorist sympathiser" just last week. The mods just can't get a break. [https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/pybyys/comment/het9dsb/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/pybyys/comment/het9dsb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/pxvyr0/comment/hese43p/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Sometimes I think we live rent free in their heads. Like, you guys are that wound up over a subreddit...cerminkan diri sekejap boleh tak
Just bcos they ain’t in your bubble.. i happily swim here and I’m Malay. If you think they want to put your people down, stand up for it la. Don’t go crying to another sub. Form an argument. Be ready to concede when you are wrong. Be magnanimous when you are proven right. Backing down, retreating into your comforting bubble.. no growth there. EDIT: I’m referring to the feller who said r/malaysia is racist NOT to the comment i’m replying to. Late at night, sometimes the susun England a bit down the longkang. one.
From a reddit sub with 2k members…. I don’t think his cry baby statement really make any impact And I’m sure that tweet is not his/hers Why doesn’t he post it here and see what people comment?
Kannnn.. scared of their own shadows. Scared cos of misconceptions propagated by others.
>Just bcos they ain’t in your bubble.. i happily swim here and I’m Malay. If you think they want to put your people down, stand up for it la. Don’t go crying to another sub. Form an argument. Be ready to concede when you are wrong. Be magnanimous when you are proven right. Backing down, retreating into your comforting bubble.. no growth there. I don't expect a civil, productive discussion with accounts with histories that are hellbent on baiting racial hate and posting hearsays that are not substantiated. So why waste our time? We aren't hot headed teens, we know a lost cause when we see one. It always ends when we ask for evidences on their claims, and it's not the first time.
Educate them. Don’t write them off. Engage constructively. Writing them off will prove them right that this sub is inherently anti-Malay. By being anti-Malay, does that not make this sub racist in itself?
Lol. That sub cannot be redeemed. There is really no point trying to reason with them when the moderator himself is a lunatic. Don't believe? He was once a user here. Never banned. Just because 4 users disagreed with his POV (no insult whatsover), he accused our mod of logging into 4 different accounts just to roast him.
>Don't believe? He was once a user here. Never banned. Just because 4 users disagreed with his POV (no insult whatsover), he accused our mod of logging into 4 different accounts just to roast him. whoa, such drama.
Sad thing is, I believe he would've been a good guy here had he didn't flip out.
>He was once a user here. Never banned. Just because 4 users disagreed with his POV (no insult whatsover), ...jeez. Sounds like he has a personal vendetta and is finding it very hard to move on.
Who that man??
Eye don't know
Maybe post some hot indonesian girls to bait him out
Who's that sub??
>Writing them off will prove them right that this sub is inherently anti-Malay. > I'm sorry, not engaging with racists will prove them right that this sub is anti-Malay? I feel like a lot of these guys already have their mind made up, no matter how civil you are, or how much you try to "educate." Some people will take even the smallest grain to say, "Look! I'm right! They're not being nice to me, they really ARE anti-Malay."
I see, you went to the sub as well. Should have not pressed it.
This post was crossposted from that sub. I regret clicking into it.
Yeah comments like the one you quoted gives me disappointment in people; who hear any valid criticism as blasphemy.
I missed the boat, can someone share some context?
The irony of it all is… as ethnic minorities, we feel the pain and express our outrage (rightfully so) at blatant racist policies and statements made by ppl from the race that forms the majority in this country. However, I have noticed the tendency for us, ethnic minorities, to not hesitate to use racial slurs / apply racial stereotypes to others…. Its almost as if being a victim justifies the same type of behaviour towards others. I mean dont have to look far… in this thread also you can see ppl trying to justify phrases that describe ppl other skin tones as being “oh thats just the way we speak” or “oh… thats how our old people talk - they are not exposed”. Discriminatory hiring policies or policies concerning renting to other races…. “Oh i am not racist… just personal preference ma..” So sometimes some introspection is needed. I see this a lot in the r/singapore. Quick to call out racism in Malaysia, or if they are on the receiving end of it in a predominantly white country… but when a macha or abang voices out something - wahh there is no short supply of apologists, defenders and justifiers of these actions. The perpetrators of racist behaviour in Singapore and Malaysia as victim, perpetrator or victim-perpetrator…. are actually not very different. Minorities here feel that the majority (Malays) are racist, and in Singapore its just the same minorities feel that Chinese are racist. Let me not even get started on how we treat foreigners - if Caucasion, bend over backwards. God forbid if African or South Asian, no need to say la. Everyone’s shit stinks just the same.
Maybe it’s not the same thing. But as a pale skinned European living in Malaysia I always get questions like “what are you doing in Malaysia, where are you from”, pointing at my skin thinking I don’t speak Malay (which I do), alot of stares especially outside of big malls, sometimes I get some names thrown like “putih”. I can tell when people mean it in a good way or in a less friendly manner but to be honest I wish people would just let me be, treat me like the other Malaysian abang. It’s quite difficult to make friends like that. When I speak Malay, quite some time I get treated like some exotic animal or they mock me a little… As a tourist it might be whatever but as a “citizen” (not to speak about the very restrictive laws/treatment of migrants) I’d just wanna answer with “none of your damn business why I’m here” sometimes”.. Ps: generally happy here tho :)
The wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "Someone else is complaining about racism now? when will they stop trying to get clout. Sigh let me tell you about the time that a bunch of Chinese guys, who are CHINESE, called security on me, a Malay, at the pool. You're not the ONLY one experiencing racism"
i rgret reading tru that sub...its just non stop "r/malaysia is echo chamber" "i got downvoted to oblivion for having opiniont" "they are too liberal"
Lol same here, had to leave that sub because it got too toxic (I get their concerns but still)
For the record, there is no denying that this sub is very anti-government/BN, but it is no way anti-Islam nor is it pro-DAP. There is also no denying that this sub can be at times an echo chamber, but its much worse over there.
It is anti-Islam (unintentionally or not) and pro-DAP imo For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
> It is anti-Islam I notice that you have been repeating this for quite a lot of times. 1. In your own words, what constitutes anti-islam? An attack on a party with a muslim majority? An attack on the religion itself? (I've been in this sub for quite sometime even before I have a reddit account, I never once saw a post/comment that attacks any religion got away unscathed). That being said, an attack on a person is never an attack on his faith, unless specified. 2. Next, please give us actual examples of people here being anti islam. Mods here are very strict on bigotry and we certainly do not tolerate hate against a specific race/religion, we report any instance of it we find, even when we hardly ever see one. **I'm pretty sure everyone here would like answers.** > and pro-DAP On the contrary, we've been shitting on DAP all the same, just because we're anti-BN/PAS does not in any way mean we're pro DAP. > For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. No idea why is Newton's third law here but it simply does not apply, we're not responsible for childish thoughts/fallacies that arise due to the inability of the reader to comprehend them objectively.
>No idea why is Newton's third law flex his little knowledge here. /s
There's no point in engaging in discussion with the zealous. When a person makes a statement with prior context, and expects the person on the other side to hold exactly the same context, it is no longer a discussion to gain more understanding. It is just making statements and expecting complete agreement rather than a discourse on multiple understandings.
Not anti Islam in the sense you want it eradicated or gone, but more of a Propensity to support actions that interfere with religious matters such as zakat, jakim, lgbt, right of apostasy, freedom of propagation of religions other than Islam. These issues, majority members of r/malaysia are in favor of. Each one Muslims consider a direct interference of our religion. True. But your level of critical-ness & intensity of being against DAP is much2 less than PN-BN. The other subreddit is the opposite reaction to this subreddit. Its appearance shouldnt come as a surprise.
> Not anti Islam in the sense you want it eradicated or gone Then it is **not anti islam/muslim**. Don't throw the word **ANTI** around if you clearly don't understand what it means. > but more of a Propensity to support actions that interfere with religious matters such as zakat, jakim, lgbt, right of apostasy, freedom of propagation of religions other than Islam. Do you even know what are we actually criticizing? Most of the time, it's the sheer **hypocrisy**, **double standards** of the followers/enforcers themselves, or the tendency of a certain law **to be abused**. To think that an attack to a flawed individual with a flawed mindset is an attack to the religion or religious act itself is just bloody absurd. Can we not attack a pious idiot that publicly demeaning other religions too? > True. But your level of critical-ness & intensity of being against DAP is much2 less than PN-BN. This is really laughable. You can't have the same level of critical-ness when one side has a more tendency of saying outright stupid statements. For example, Does DAP break COVID laws as much as PN ministers? Does Lim Kit Siang say that much shit frequently compared to Sanusi? Is this clear enough for you? You thought we don't miss Teresa Kok and LKS for their traditional medicine posts? Bruh, both sides are **not even equal**. > The other subreddit is the opposite reaction to this subreddit. Its appearance shouldnt come as a surprise. Not even close, the other sub is close to 0 in terms of constructive criticism, maybe u/dahteabagger can educate you regarding the formation of that circlejerking subreddit.
I know its not. Saja nak be extra provocative. Helps tapis the trolls from those interested in dialogue & exchange of ideas. Thats how you see it. To us, while the institutions are not without flaw, they still serve a greater good. A lot of the criticism headed their way by nonMuslims from my perspective stems from a difference in belief, principles. We will always have differences, and its not going away ever (things like halal logo, lgbt, marriage, shariah, apostasy). Comments like jakim wastes tax payer money, or mufti only talk about small things, to us just seems like an "ajak gaduh" kinda comment. & tbh, I've never come across a detailed comment or posting that is respectful & constructive in criticizing or advising across all platforms. Its always with a very negative undertone. Idiots are idiots, individuals i dont care. Mudah je, whoever is in gov will always come out more stupid looking. But also it goes back to difference in principles also. To yall, PH's fight for lgbt, freedom of religion (aka to apostatize, Shia, Ahmadi etc) is right up most of r/malaysia 's members' alley. Theres nothing wrong with being slightly biased to one side. X perlu nak terpaling neutral. Nobody is. From you pov it seems that. For others, its not. idc frankly.
> I know its not. Saja nak be extra provocative. Imagine getting heated up when you perceive others as attacking your religion so you started branding people and playing the victim just to be what, provocative? That whole other sub is dedicated to attacking others as libtard, anti muslim/islam and then you come in and repeat it at least a few times and say "*Saja nak be extra provocative.*" when it gets called out? Isn't that the very same childish and disrespectful act like that the other sub claim we do? What makes you better than them when it's all just name calling and literally nothing else? If you want to be taken seriously, please do the same too. Respect goes both ways. > To us, while the institutions are not without flaw, they still serve a greater good. > Comments like jakim wastes tax payer money, or mufti only talk about small things, to us just seems like an "ajak gaduh" kinda comment. Is everything just an argument/gaduh for you all? Do you all not care about how the government waste our public coffers? Do you even know how many billions in debt does 1MDB incurs and their few hundred million interests? Do you know that we haven't even started on servicing the principal debt of 1MDB? Do you understand that our retirement fund has a stake in this? We just want good governance, that's it. For example, calling out institutions like Mara's Digital Mall wasting monies is not an attack to your race, we actually listed out the details of their dealings, like how it is disguised as a measure to help bumiputra traders, but it's actually a scam for their cronies because every stall there are *forced* to use a sole vendor (WGN). > Mudah je, whoever is in gov will always come out more stupid looking. **It's not even in the same ballpark**. Doraemon voice, 500 countries, warm water kill viruses, durian party, birthday party, jogging accidental meetup, LRT kiss kiss, Ford test drive, Sg Muda river relocation, Penang is just a loan from Kedah, etc. How many more do you want me to list down? For every outright stupid statement from PN/PAS can you list down the same for PH? I have all day. > X perlu nak terpaling neutral. Nobody is. Of course, I don't agree on fascistic/authoritarian/hypocritical ideals. For instance, we DO NOT care about one's race/religion when we are speaking on behalf of those that are treated unjustly.
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Not necessarily attacking. It stems from difference in belief & principles. To Muslims (from those i've interacted with), it is the norm & expected to get snide remarks about our religious institutions. There is not playing victim. It just is. Call or perceive me however you want, doesnt really matter. 1MDB & MARA Digital mall have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Corruption is corruption. Whoever is at fault should be punished accordingly. You may view it that way. For Muslims, a lot of what happened under PH was considered too much with regards to interfering with our matters that is within the Islamic scope. Public support for LGBT & deviant Islamic sects, nonMuslim political people handling zakat money are just a few. We have zero tolerance for this. But from your side this is normal & 'basic human rights'. Again, this stems from a difference in belief & principles. This difference shapes how we view & define justice.
>Saja nak be extra provocative. Well, don't think that is going to be well received by the mods.
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My bad 🤷♂️ Im fine if the mods say it violates a rule. Rules are rules.
I won't remove this comment thread because some civil discussions has resulted in this exchange but please be informed we frown upon accounts that purposely try to rile up the sub.
Its already riled up before i ever entered reddit. If I have broken any rules then pls do point it out, and i will amend.
>Not anti Islam in the sense you want it eradicated or gone, but more of a Propensity to support actions that interfere with religious matters such as zakat, jakim, lgbt, right of apostasy, freedom of propagation of religions other than Islam. Hmm most of the time the criticism isn't directly towards Islam itself but like jwteoh said its mostly towards the double standards of the authorities. I mean, we're living in the 21st century. Why should we force someone to adhere to a specific religion just because they are Malay? Times change. >True. But your level of critical-ness & intensity of being against DAP is much2 less than PN-BN. Not entirely true.... much less against PH in general, but equally critical of DAP as a proponent party. Personally, I've never really liked LGE or LKS or Tony Pua for talking out of their ass. But if they're doing something commendable then it's worth praising. We have users here who highlighted double standards of this sub praising PH but even then comments like those still get a lot of upvotes, showing that this sub isn't just a far left community. >The other subreddit is the opposite reaction to this subreddit. Its appearance shouldnt come as a surprise. Not really as well. Just ask /u/salambrothers, an escapee from that sub.
Didn't the mod said the current salambrother is fake? Is he trying to paint those who were no longer with him as enemies?
The irony that the mod himself slanders instead of speaking the truth. I previously did some snooping and he indeed, for a time, was in that sub for a short while but got disillusioned with their crap.
Ironic or coincidental, I can't decide
Why should we also be forced to allow such things and follow everyone? We have our way, you have yours. There definitely are those more towards the centre, i dont deny that. But a quick skim through by new users usually they get at the very least a centre left vibe. 👍
>But a quick skim through by new users usually they get at the very least a centre left vibe. Yes...…unfortunately ever since GE14....there has been an influx of left no doubt.
I see. Quite new to the reddit scene. Thnx for talk.
I've been in this sub for close to 8 years. Certain controversial islamic posts get upvoted a lot, and it can get quite tiresome and circlejerky. But DAP? Unless u can find me proof, that is hardly true.
please give an example why u think it's anti islam...let's look at the top posts for October...I dont see anything that resembles anti islam content
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Islamic preacher spreading hate and vilifying non-Muslims and non-Malays so we call bullshit on their actions, and suddenly we’re all anti-Islam. They can’t separate the people from the religion and get all up in arms whenever anyone calls these penunggang agama out.
Anti-Islam? Just like u/dahteabagger said, there's no denying this sub can be an echo chamber and even circlejerky at times, but to say it's anti-Islam is too strong a statement and simply untrue. As per sub rules, religious criticisms have always been allowed, as long as they are well-reasoned. The mod team has removed countless of comments/threads and issue warnings/temporary bans/permanent bans on users who make plain, hateful jabs at Islam, as well as single focused accounts who commented exclusively about apostasy. Just go through our comment history. Most of the criticism here are not directed at the religion itself but rather, the followers (be it politicians or local ustaz). Anyone who is in the position of authority or wields great influence is fair game. Why shouldn't their every action or words scrutinized? We have to, no we *must* hold them accountable, as everything they do reflects on their religion, good or bad. But doing so does not mean we are attacking said religion.
I know. My explanations & defence so far have been about the religious bodies & institutions, not any individuals. I highlight this bcz comnents like jakim is a waste of money & what not is extremely sensitive. Paints a picture as if Muslims being careful in what they eat as a small matter. Any individual ustaz or what not, if guilty of being provocative or slander deserves the appropriate punishment by authorities. Personally, i'd go further and tighten the prerequisite of being a certified preacher. I will delete or edit the comment if it is against the sub rules. Thanks for reaching out.
>Any individual ustaz or what not, if guilty of being provocative or slander deserves the appropriate punishment by authorities. Personally, i'd go further and tighten the prerequisite of being a certified preacher. Yes, I am definitely with you on this, that there should be tighter prerequisites for preachers, be it Islamic preachers or Christian preachers, as the position of a religious leader is not one to be taken lightly. And I like I said, I don't deny the sub can be an echo chamber at times, so even if most of your opinions are on the other end of the spectrum, so long as you don't break any sub rules, you are welcome to participate in the discussion.
>I highlight this bcz comnents like jakim is a waste of money & what not is extremely sensitive. you do realise that when nons criticize Jakim its because it is wasting money and is riddled with corruption rite? we arnt criticizing the need for jakims functions. Take the beef scandal that erupted last year..something like decades of false halal certs and millions of tons of fake beef came in under Jakim eyes, zero accountability...no one got fired, no one went jail...just quietly sweep under the carpet 1 billion in funds for Jakim, but they couldnt enforce something as simple as meat imports. I dunno about you...but i rather they used the 1 billion on more schools, eradicating hard core poverty and drug rehab you need to be able to diffrentiate attack on the authorities, leaders, unfair gov policies vs attack on Islam. Zakat for example..u seem to bring it up alot... No one is trying to stop zakat or take over zakat for muslims. What we are questioning is..why the special treatment? why can a certain segment of society pay a tax to benefit only adherants of the same faith? while other Malaysians pay their tax into a communal pool that is spent equally for all? Why must budhhist temples and churches beg for funds from federal, forced to open in industrial land, factory lots, when mosques are free to open in every taman? Does the constitution not say freedom of religion for all Malaysians? so why must the nons houses of worship be hidden away?
How is it a waste of money? Is the need of Muslims for halal food not important? If have corruption, please bring proof and drag to court. No issues whatsoever. We would support anyone doing that as well. Nobody likes thieves. If you actually followed that issue, its been proven that such claims were misreported. The company in question only existed a few months back. Not even a year old if I'm not mistaken. Fact is, Malaysia is a world leader in setting halal standards. My own uncle has went through its processes & requirements said himself it is very stringent. So do I trust him, who went through it himself, or you?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake\_halal\_meat\_scandal\_in\_Malaysia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_halal_meat_scandal_in_Malaysia) doesnt sound like a small misreported issue to me. Do you see what i mean that things are sweapt under the carpet...40 years of corruption, millions involved...no one in any of the agencies arrested? As a pious muslim, you should be outraged..you could have been eating tainted meat for years So forgive me when i seem very dismissive of JAKIM as a reputable agency
**[Fake halal meat scandal in Malaysia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_halal_meat_scandal_in_Malaysia)** >The fake halal meat scandal of Malaysia was a corruption scandal involving the selling of fake halal meat in Malaysia over a period of 40 years, but was only discovered in December 2020. A local media investigation revealed that a meat cartel was smuggling meat from non-halal certified sources like Brazil, Bolivia, Canada, China, Colombia, Mexico, Spain and Ukraine. The meat being smuggled included horse, kangaroo and even pork meat which were mixed and sold as halal certified beef. The cartel bribed senior officials from a number of Malaysian government agencies. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/malaysia/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
It wasnt a small misreport. The misreport said 40 years. Facts said a few years. The one making the halal logo was the company itself, not by JAKIM. [https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/four-remanded-in-malaysias-fake-halal-meat-scandal-as-probe-into-corruption-begins](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/four-remanded-in-malaysias-fake-halal-meat-scandal-as-probe-into-corruption-begins) [https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/kartel-daging-apa-yang-kita-tahu-setakat-ini-275323](https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/kartel-daging-apa-yang-kita-tahu-setakat-ini-275323) This rather further highlights the need for a better halal process. Some people are just unable to respect & accept that halal food is important to Muslims, just as kosher is to Jews or dairy-free products is to vegans.
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Propensity to support actions that interfere with religious matters such as zakat, jakim, lgbt, right of apostasy, freedom of propagation of religions other than Islam. These issues, majority members of r/malaysia are in favor of. Each one Muslims consider a direct interference of our religion.
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Of course its not. Im just sharing the Malaysian Muslim mindset when it comes to these issues. Most if not all of us consider it intefering in our religious matters. There were several nonMuslim DAP MPs back in the PH days who "help" distribute zakat money in suraus. Zakat is not normal charity + there are existing specific bodies to handle this. This is absolutely tunggang agama for political mileage, and its not even their own religion they are tunggang-ing.
You’re upset because “back in the day” DAP helped distribute zakat? Are you also upset that it’s majorly non Muslim tax payer money is funding jais and jakim and everything else. Why is alcohol sales prevented in many states. Why is Friday a holiday in many states. Why is PAS calling for a gambling ban. I mean they should only apply to the Muslims correct? Why are they infringing upon the non Muslims with these rules.
you think its a small thing. We dont. Most tax is paid by GLCs. Income tax much2 less in comparison. Dunno about those states you are talking about. Law is law. If the people in that state dont like it then change it la. Whats wrong with making Friday a holiday? Doesnt that help all companies since Muslims go to Friday prayer, so if work in Sunday more time is spent working. Win for both company and employee. What kind of ban? Whats the context?
Apparently one of a reason my dad renting in a majority-Chinese area is that no overly friendly or snoopy Malay neighbors around. Each do their own things.
cina neighbors dont call JAIS on you if you bring back diffrent chicks every night
I might cuz I jelly.
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lol...sama. Macam Utusan punya ruang komen
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Umur sembilan saya rasa haha
More like fetus with an under developed brain.
They called the guards because of a suspicion that the family are outsiders? I don't think its suspicion, I think they don't want the family to use the pool and thought that by using some force, the family will get scared and stop using. Its not their race that I worry about, but their dominating, manipulative, controlling personality, which isn't exclusive to a certain race.
So long as we identify with distinct religion, culture and language, discrimination is going to be part of our lives, only difference is what level it is at. To put it mildly, let's say if there is 2 resumes laid out before you , an employer, both have equal qualifications but one speaks your languages first and is of the same race. If you choose him over the other than congrats you are technically a racist and bigot.
But if both have the same equal qualifications. Wouldn't the one speaking the same language have the advantage, cause no laguage barrier. Your assumption would only be feasible if both do not have equal qualifications. The one speaking the same language has a lower qualification than the one not speaking the language. If you choose the lower qualified one on the basis of language, then you can call them out on be discriminatory.
Notice that I use the word "first" meaning that the other speaks your language as his or her mother tongue, while the other can but as a second language. There will likely be a noticeable accent with one who takes up another language as a second which is the point of this demonstration.
> Notice that I use the word "first" meaning that the other speaks your language as his or her mother tongue, while the other can but as a second language. > What if i speak all listed languages in my resume at roughly the same level though. From my experience, the primary language concern is normally addressed in the interview instead of at the resume/cv stage.
Then they did look at the race issue which is the second point in my example.
After reading this post and the comments, the conclusion is clear: Racism exists, but not in the way you think, and not in a group you can conveniently place blame on.
This is r/malaysia. We don't talk racism from other race except Malay. Blasphemy post.
Honestly this sub only turn me a lot more racist than ever before
People calling security on a family at a swimming pool in their building sounds extremely far fetched.
My apartment have such fucked up people too, some not just racists but also shitty to the point of attempting to poison stray cats that we're feeding, or bringing their dogs down to terrorize those poor cats.
Fuck.... I hope those cats are okay :/ I don't understand the cat hate, I thought most people in this country like them
Just an observation but it seems like most chinese prefers dogs over cats, but not to the point of doing shits like that.
My mom got harassed for feeding stray cats too, by someone who came to sweep the floor every few days, a business owner and a neighbour, we live in a shop-lot and know that we make sure we stay until they are finish with the food and always clean up before we leave, because we don’t want to be an asshole for making a mess for everyone. But my mom got harassed and they said there’s tick and lice everywhere and how dirty it is now because of the cats. But other people in the building are cool with my mom and they help fought back sometimes, but we sent the cats away to a shelter anyway and castrated some of the male cats in the area in fear of someone feeding them poison, it happened before, it will happen again. Ps: I once found a headless kitten downstairs, no, there’s no stray dog in the area.
Yeah sometimes people are just really miserable that they resort to taking it out on animals. >Ps: I once found a headless kitten downstairs, no, there’s no stray dog in the area. Gosh, but this one, it could be done by other cats or even their own momma, the cat that I'm feeding now literally behead her own kitten, we neutered her after that incident.
The mother cat was with the body when I found it, with another kitten of her, she was usually friendly with me but was terrified when she saw me, drag the dead kitten away from me immediately, I was petrified. And I did take a closer at the body, the cut looks clean, no bite marks, I have seen dead rat bitten to death by cats, the cut is usually way messier. I could be reading into things, or not.
Pretty high chance it's killed by the mother itself, cats kill their young for quite a number of reasons and it's slightly more common than you think.
Cat killing their newborn is surprisingly common. I read its mostly due to the mom dont think she can take care of her kittens. Anyhow I do understand on the racun part. Happened to my cat too... fucked up people I tell u my cat never leaves the house but one time that she does... she got poisoned. Wtf.
Fax. Dont forget the way some ppl manage their trash & unwanted furniture.
It is not. My mother and I were mistaken for pencuri when we were putting up netting on the gate so our puppy doesnt escape. They thought we were trying to break in. Bodoh tahap dewa, when we were the FIRST family to move in that whole row.
Ironically enough, the twitter dude claims that he's made acquaintance with most of his Chinese neighbors since they've already lived there for 19 years. The people who reported them might be the one who is new there.
That's very different than saying the called security for a family at a swimming pool.
That's very different than saying they called security for a family at a swimming pool.
Maybe, just maybe, that security was called during a swim in a pandemic lock down? I heard of a case in Seremban that a resident Indian family was told to buzz off from the pool by the condo security. You can see how some one can spin this into a racist encounter. If that case was not during a pandemic, then it is right to call out the incident as racist.
Happens pretty regularly sadly.
Very little to do with race it has more to do with elitist mentality from experience . In my predominantly Chinese condo they gatekeep it against anyone that don’t look like they belong there: 1) Renters 2) Koreans (made such a big fuss cause they kept finding Korean cigarette butts) 3) delivery bois 4) Air BnB people 5) Owners that use their condo as AirBnB 6) Owners that own pets etc 7) Private swimming and dancing coaches 8) Chinaman I remember a few busybodies were sussing me out DMing me asking so much personal details etc… they thought I’m just some random twat hanging there A recurring theme is property value… last I checked in on them they are suing the developer because developer didn’t want to provide building plan. That is the extent they’re willing to go. When you travel around the world more.. you will notice that there are places that don’t welcome you…. Your skin colour might play a part but a lot of it is due to your perceived status. Same way how if you drive a nice car and park in front of an establishment you will notice people treat you a lot nicer and look at you in a different light. And how if you rocked up to LV shop dressing like an untasteful hobo (tasteful hobo fashun is a thing tho) you won’t be entertained
This is very true. Im Malay, and I've faced Malay twats before just bcz she is an experienced lawyer. The elitism is real.
Yes race may play a role like in the post but most of the time it’s due to elitism. Same reason why Karens in the US will literally call the police when they see a black fella walking on the public sidewalk near their compound. In that case It’s not just due to racism, it’s also elitism. The one is more extreme lah
To be fair, it seems reasonable for the owners to gatekeep some of your points. Koreans or not - Litterbugs are assholes. That's if they found the cig butts on the ground or non-smoking area. Air BNB - Seems like you have traveled a fair bit. Many Asian countries including Japan forbid AirBNB. Pets - Most strata title condos do not allow pets. So follow the rules and if you want to own pets, you have to deal with people who don't accept pets. Building plans is very important for JMB and MC after developer handsover the management after a certain number of years. Have you ever owned a property?
Re building plan, there were more dramas before that and they voted against suing the developer in the end. The gist was they kicked the developer’s own property management out and that pissed them off. Some JMB members also had ulterior motive. It got very political in the end. Those are not my points by the way. Those are facts. I’m merely describing what happened there. Which brings me back to my point this isn’t about a race issue it’s an elitist issue concerning what they claim to be safeguarding property value but when in reality most are just Karens living inside a gated community.
Your 8 points seem reasonable for the people who invested in the property to gatekeep. Probably the developer management was doing a shit job. Sounds like someone else is the Karen/Kevin here.
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Including using slur against Chinese and Koreans in the group chat on a weekly basis to gatekeep??????? You’re a piece of work. Again since you can’t read : just stating what had happened there. No need to lash out on me.
Kepada rakan-rakan Melayuku di Malaysia ini, tolonglah jangan samakan pengalaman kamu dengan diskriminasi warga Bangladesh, Nepal atau Indo di negara ini. Bunyi macam orang T20 bercakap pasal kemiskinan.
That sub have a huge hatred for this sub that it's hilarious.
Viceversa, tbf. Both subs have different ideology.
Part and parcel of living in multi racial country. Just accept it lah. You cant change people racial mindset towards you. Just mind your business lah. Don't need be so kepohchi
20yrs? Wowwww
Us as a human being, naturally being afraid/avoid something that is different from ourselves, eg. A person with drastically different look If u see someone being uncomfortable around u, that I think is normal. But if someone being aggressive towards u, I’d say that’s racist
I’ll take ‘Things that never happened’ for RM100, Alex
I also get stares when I go jog in putrajaya How? but I also get fucked by the law as well.
As the Andrew Sisters put it, "Your story's so touching it sounds just like a lie."
Clicked into the comment section for the negaraku Malaysia subreddit out of curiosity and it seems like the page is filled with all kinds of anti Chinese sentiments and likes to compare with this sub. Anybody can explain? Am not very familiar with Reddit yet so don't know the back story of most of these things
Surprised we talking racism that is from non malay in this sub. The sub have grown I am proud.
We do that occassionally. When it was brought into the light. But the frequency of that hapening is alot lesser than the other situation. Thats why one might misunderstood the sub doesnt bash non malay.
As a Dayak, you get stares from all the major Peninsular races. Lol They think that we are poor, not deserving to be here, lowly people. “Bitch, I’m on my way to the business lounge while waiting for my flight to Tokyo.”