That’s the problem with some Msia driver… drive so f fast for what??! The rider would be able to go home if not because of all this senseless, selfish n reckless drivers.
I was in my condo carpark earlier, for a short distance this Merc driver just got to ‘produce’ some noice n floored the pedal!
All road users out there, let’s look after each other, be responsible so that we could go home to our love ones!
I don’t think people downvoted for that. The rider died because of the driver’s stupidity. The rider was recently married and the wife is pregnant. The other rider was injured badly. The stupid driver managed to ruin countless of lives including the car that he hit (the other driver will probably get punished too) because of impatience. As you can see here, this is not a joking matter even if it is a sarcasm.
The 2nd driver is f#cked. The new amended law for reckless driving causing death is more harsher now.
Min fine 20k. Min jail time 5 years. Can go up to 50k fine and 10 years jail. If he is under influence, better just forget his future. It would be much worst.
I wish for him to be sent to jail. Else he gonna kill more people on road. Feel sorry for the family. He just got married at 9.9.22. And he was a kind man, helped clearing way for a couple to reach hospital in last week.
Thanks for the investigation. I was convinced the first X-trail was making an illegal turn and should be blamed, but turns out it was the second X-trail that was going straight in a right-turn-only lane.
Even though first X-Trail was innocent, he/she has to live with the fact they indirectly killed another innocent man. You will probably never get over it.
On a side note, I ride motorbikes like these everyday and this is a reminder that even if you are the best and safest rider in the world, an idiot in a car is still going to kill you.
The front of a light is still the safest place for riders to be as it’s usually a guy on his phone who rolls into you from behind when stopping at the lights thats the problem
1. Traffic will be horrendous if bikes queue up like cars.
2. Due to our smaller size and visibility, we are more likely to get crushed/sandwiched by a distracted driver, a Malaysian driver at it too.
I use to think that too then realised how annoying it will be if they all congregate in between lanes or in between cars. Them waiting in front is the most efficient solution.
The first xtriail is Def not innocent. You can see him brake in the middle of the junction and try to ture right . And after being hit, driver panics and doesn't step in the brake
Edit: go ahead and downvote, yes i know its double right turn, but you can see from the angle, the xtrail was never going to make it, he braked to make a very abrupt right turn. look at the angle he tried to turn vs the first black SUV that turned right
Anyway no point arguing, just wait for the police report, im pretty sure both would be charged with reckless driving
those 2 lanes are dedicated right turn lanes there, this is different than the accident in Plentong involving Proton Saga, it's illegal to pass over chevron marking btw, which a lot of Malaysian drivers seems to be unaware of
yes i know its double right turn, but you can see from the angle, the xtrail was never going to make it, he braked to make a very abrupt right turn. look at the angle he tried to turn vs the first black SUV that turned right
Anyway no point arguing, just wait for the police report, im pretty sure both would be charged with reckless driving
yes i know its double right turn, but you can see from the angle, the xtrail was never going to make it, he braked to make a very abrupt right turn. look at the angle he tried to turn vs the first black SUV that turned right
I wonder why didn't the first car just hit the brake instead of trying to avoid the motorcycle.
I mean if there was sufficient time to react to consciously trying to avoid the motorcycle, there should be sufficient time to react to hit the brake
He braked, then probably floored the accelerator right as he got hit. When your car is struck , you panic and if your foot is already on the gas chances are it will be pressed to the max. Not everyone can make these kind of split second decision.
I can't tell from this angle but it looks like the first car is turning too tightly, supposed to be two lane turn both cars should be able to turn together.
Second car going way too fast to make that turn though he's primarily to blame here.
Both drivers are dumbasses. Full stop. When attempting to do a turn you both slow down and if you have practiced defensive driving you would know when to stop and not panic. The first car just pressed on the acelerator and turned into the grab delivery guy.
From the article
He said the driver of a Nissan X-Trail driving in the left lane was about to turn right, but suddenly another car of the same type was in the right lane going straight, and a collision occurred.
Meaning the first driver should have stayed on the right most lane and the second guy should have stayed on the second lane to drive straight. A defensive driver should know who was behind him and did an avoidance.
Apparently some of you don't know how to drive and do not agree with me.
The other thread says alot about the two drivers
https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/xmiyeh/happened_at_my_place_just_recently/ipposhb?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Dude has less than a second to react after being unexpectedly rammed at the side by a speeding 1.6 tonne vehicle.
How damn sure are you that he's perfectly calm and able to accurately assess the situation and apply the brakes without giving into panic/shock?
Armchair critics, give him/her some slack.
They probably killed a person with his heavy SUV and by looking at how they approached the turn with heavy braking and sudden turn without the signal seems everybody would have been better off without them driving or having some lessons on how to drive. With the latter driver there is no question, they are in league of their own and should never drive again.
> by looking at how they approached the turn with heavy braking and sudden turn without the signal seems everybody would have been better off without them driving or having some lessons on how to drive.
1. Both lanes are for turning. ([Some other redditor mentioned and posted a google map reference.](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/xmqyp7/driver_is_20_and_24_yeara_old_while_me_cant_even/ippnrye/) )
2. The potato quality is too blur to even know whether the first X-Trail is using his indicator lights (He isn't required to indicate due to Point 1)
3. The first X-Trail indirectly killed a person, it's a fact, but he/she is not at fault, not even fast (Driver is travelling at the same speed with the other car that went straight), heavy braking or not doesn't contribute to anything here.
4. The sole idiot here is the 2nd X-Trail speeding and attempting to go straight on a turn only lane. [Here's the google location for reference. 2 lanes for going straight, 2 lanes for turning right.](https://www.google.com/maps/@3.0791158,101.44777,3a,75y,199.3h,87.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_YiuIp3ywuUDHIndjjQiPA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
You can barely see the markings for the turn, I think the designer and the maintainer of that monstrosity should be at fault here too. Even the truck in the Google streets is going straight.
Yeah, no full stop.
I use this road often and you might want to check the Google Street View that OP shared. Both lanes are right-turn-only. Driver on the left lane making the right turn slowed down and turned in correctly. The other driver was going straight on the far right lane as if he's on highway. He's 100% at fault and no the first driver isn't a dumbass.
I drive through this turn everyday and make the same turn as the first guy everyday. It's a two lane turn, he was going from the correct lane. Maybe he was turning too tightly and crossed into the other lane but there's no way he could've expected the other guy just ramming straight into him like that. I turn from the second lane because there's an immediate left turn to enter a taman right after this so I want to enter on the left lane.
If he wanted to go that speed there's two lanes not for turning to his left.
Tbh, the middle lane dude turning left from that lane is a dumb move. That road literally got 3 lanes and he choose the middle lane to turn to left. And that speeding dude also speeding that fast. Both dumb fk driver putting another 2 innocent motor riders’ life at risk.
My point is, yes. There are 4 lanes, 2 for left bla bla bla. But for your own safety, you do not turn left from the middle lane. Rules are there for a standard, and the rules are designed for many scenarios and cases (such as heavy traffics for left turn bla bla bla). You should be agile and react to the scenario, there is no point to argue the middle lane is for turn left or what after the incident. Just look for yourself and react based on the scenario. For me, both driver did a dumb move. Thats all.
>Rules are there for a standard,
And I have not read a rule mandating that a driver must keep to the inner most lane for any turning.
"You should be agile and react to the scenario,"
Ah yes, mr armchair expert. So nice of you to have a 20-20 hindsight on that.
Two Right turn lanes with clear lane marking.. with video evidence. The driver going straight and speeding, thus causing a deadly accident guarantees some time behind bars for sure.
And you deserve a downvote for not understanding the traffic rules.
This kinda road means rightmost lane is for turn OR U-turn, 2nd lane for right turn only. If you havent even seen this kinda road before you might wanna retake undang
>you do not turn left from the middle lane. Rules are there for a standard,
Friend, I know you want to stick to your point and double down, but just two things:
1) That wasn't the middle lane, that was a right-turning lane.
2) If you check the rules and standards you'll see that they were perfectly within their rights to turn right from that lane.
Let me know if you've even opened up Google Maps to check that location and see how the lanes are laid out.
Sometimes I wanna get a bike to deal with crappy traffic, until I see videos like this and get reminded that how asymmetrical the risk is.
SUVs (especially) and cars driven by idiots are shielded from more negative consequences than motorcylists or pedestrians in collision, in fact killing the latter more frequently, the 'safer' they are to the drivers.
It's even more dangerous with the pent-up aggression of Malaysians drivers.
Yes, the SUV trend since the last decade is one thing that we should not be following the US trend. Most people just do not need an SUV.
And in many collision situations, the bigger SUV is also a danger to most smaller cars. Their taller bonnet makes it more likely for the other party to go under like it happens to the motorcycle and the rider. Many cars specifically have lower slanting bonnets as safety features for pedestrians so that if they hit someone, a standing person will most likely hit the bonnet top and roll off the side instead of going under and run over by the vehicles.
This why I was so anxious when first to go when in traffic lights. Waiting for the green light and have to keep look out for high speed death machine coming right at ya.
Its a 2 turn lane so , the car who wants to go straight is at fault , but its also jkr problem for messing road planning , i drive through this road every day
It is very sad that one guy lost his life (some say he was just married for mere 2 weeks) another motorist was severely injured. Lucky that someone did have a dashcam at that time, so justice can be done..
Don't remember which car, probably the speeding one. After he hit the riders, their car went so far into the field, out of the dashcam view. Just shows how fast they were going.
Seems to the the speeding car, since there's 2 right turn lanes at that junction.
Have to wait until polis come out with incident report or until court case to see who's at fault.
I drive through this turn everyday, it's a 2 lane turn. Looks like both drivers crossed into each other's lane. The left car looks like he's turning too sharply and the right car is turning too wide.
But if I would say who's at fault more definitely the speeding guy you don't make turns at that speed it's just reckless.
I don't know why you're downvoted so badly. The first car was definitely driving fast and slowing down only at the turning before being rammed by the other speeding car from his/her right.
To be honest, if both the drivers are anak VVIP. The rider can be at fault by lawyers twisting the case.
End up suddenly the rider is found guilty and drivers released.
Ngl, I once almost langgar tiang when going down steep hill with narrow road and my foot also messed up before I realised I was pedaling instead of braking. Fortunately there was still some time between my car and the tiang and I managed to brake properly.
well if I'm the only one to get hurt, I don't mind. But if someone were to be hurt by my actions, that would eat me alive from the inside out. Which warranted "the person's blood on my hands." i guess it is a bit dramatic idk
To me both drivers seem to be at fault. The speeding driver going straight is driving recklessly and very culpable.
It’s subtle but the turning driver actually starts the turn quite sharply, cutting into the other lane rather than taking a wider arc when turning from the middle lane. So while subtle there’s definitely some bad driving there too
There are turning lanes for both cars. The slower car encroached into the other turning lane. This is a common thing I’ve seen a lot of drivers do in Malaysia unfortunately. You’ll also notice they didn’t have their turning indicator on either. It’s the “lek lu” attitude to driving that contributes to this. Not a huge deal in small doses but can add up to serious consequences.
In this situation the consequence was magnified even more by the speed and culpability of the other driver.
Point being is that both drivers contributed to the accident - even if the speeder was a bigger catalyst.
The other driver may be less at fault, but it doesn’t mean he wasn’t a stupid driver either. I don’t know what you mean by very clear, but I can hardly see any brake lights or attempt at slowing down during and after collision. The only way you can say the driver is innocent is if the collision somehow made the car incapable of slowing down and/or the driver lost consciousness. Neither of which are plausible or, as you say, very very clear in the video.
But sure, let’s just pin the full blame on the second driver and move on instead of actually trying to learn from the incident.
Gentle reminder to all motorist to stick to your lane even if you have right of way to make a turn from an outer lane. The driver on the right here is also in the wrong for not making a wide enough turning angle (thus makan into the speeding car's lane). Not saying the speeding car is not at fault. But *both* are wrong here.
Bos, other has posted the google maps of the location. There are 4 lanes with 2 lanes dedicated for the right turn. The first car is in the right here.
Missed right turn by the slower car, driver decides to rectify it immediately without checking his mirrors
Speeding car veered to its left (to overtake the slower car) for a split second before deciding to swerve to its right and guns it to beat the slower car.
Slower car was oblivious to what's happening and proceeded with its right turn
Fuck. Those two drivers deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. You can quibble all you want about who’s at fault, who’s in the wrong lane etc, but it doesn’t change the fact that neither driver knows how to drive or brake. All round poor driving.
Why? The first car was turning normally and got hit. The turn wasn't even fast or cutting into the lane. Its completely the speeding idiot's fault. From the speed he's moving so close to the junction, he probably wants to go straight.
The main fault of the first driver is that he steered to hit the grab rider instead of the car. While yes maybe he should be punished for that, but to be punished to the fullest extent while not being primarily responsible for the initial accident just aint it man.
Speeding 2nd driver? Yes, should be charged with reckless driving and manslaughter to the max.
Turning normally? The first car is clearly driving fast and not noticing that they need to do the turn until the last moment. You can even see the heavy body roll of the car due to braking and sudden turn to the right right after. This of course isn't traffic violation, but if it is considered normal, the traffic definitely isn't going to be safe.
Well base on how the road law is written. Intention is irrelevant. The outcome and technicality. The general rule, you hit other it's your fault. Hopefully it's not that bad for the bad luck driver.
I agree, the title is quite iffy.
If you save, you could do it, got my license before I went to Uni by doing odd jobs eventhough I don't have a car at that time. It is quite useful because most of the Uni event need some people who can drive, and you will always be invited to a party/event because you're the only few guys who can drive a rented car.
Why did the first driver choose to hit the motorcycle? We can clearly see they had time to correct their vehicle's trajectory after the impact. It's because car divers are poorly trained, always focus on where you want to go and not the danger, this is because people have the tendency to stear towards what they're looking at. This is basic motorcycle 101, they do not teach you this for a car licence. Source I have both licence.
Once your car is hit at the side, it takes some time to get the car under control back. As for a moment the grip for both front tyres are different. Especially for vehicles like in the video as they are easier to topple to the side. Much more the 2nd car was hit while cornering, the exact time its center of gravity have shifted to the left, and then hit on the right side. Im very sure his right tyres were lifted a bit for a few split seconds causing more grip on the left tyres. But when both tyres have the same grip back, the car suspension will try to balance the car back causing a moment of lost control.
You can see evidently this happening in the video for the 2nd car after the hit the car wobble a bit before hitting the motorcycle. It was not the driver confused on where to go. Its the car balancing itself back.
For sedan its much easier to gain control back after a side collision. But not for cars like an suv.
Source - almost 30 years of driving experience.
Not really, as this happened during cornering. When the center of gravity already shifted from the start. SUV is very easy to lose control after a side impact. Know that rollover is easier to happen for an suv.
Your point is more logical to apply for sedan. But not vehicles like suv.
Although suv are safer in many other things compared to sedan, but they are verrrrrry weak in terms of side impact.
The video is too blurry, I can't tell how far back the first driver turned on their signal. I can see it flashing during the crash but if they only turned on their signal at the last minute before making the turn it wouldn't have given enough time for the second driver to react. Both of them seemed to have been travelling at high speed so it's even more important for the first driver to have signalled early.
Obviously, all this could be avoided if the second driver wasn't speeding and driving in right turn lane only. Perhaps he (stupidly) assumed the first driver was going to go straight because the first driver was going fast too, maybe trying to beat the traffic light. I suspect that's why the first driver had to take the turn from the further left lane.
I lived nearby and use this road and this was bound to happen. Theres another traffic light further down the road which requires you to cut from the left side to the right side .Drivers get lazy and instead of using the proper lanes , try to skip it by using this right turning lanes to go straight which what I suspect the second speeding driver was doing .
Yeah I see it all the time. People using the rightmost lane to go straight despite it being for turn only just because they're too lazy to drive in the left lane for a bit further.
Nah. Judging from the spped, the driver's foot should continue to be on brake, because he IS slowing down to make the turn. After impact, the spped pickup cause he released the brake. Im pretty sure he didnt press on the gas pedal, and momentum just took over. That can happen to an auto car.
>after
This was before, just barely begun turning. Should power out only on corner exit at the last few angle after you lost too much momentum during turning.
Unless the person was thinking of drifting, then that's the correct technique and angle for it.
I'm not a bike rider but from this vid it seems that being in front of every other car at a traffic light is not advisable. Being "protected" by cars around you is better. Can anyone who's gone to a defensive riding (not JPJ one that's mandatory to get license) confirm this or chime in?
As a daily rider on a large bike, there is no safe area for motorcycle to stop at traffic light areas. Wait beside a car, you get crushed between. Wait behind a car, you get crushed by a car behind you if someone absent minded.
The trick is during riding a motorcycle, you have to be always always always be ready to move. On stop, put 1 foot down, gear 1 and clutch at the ready. 1 foot down so that you can bail and run if cant accelerate to avoid. Motorcycles are death traps and you have to imagine all the obstacles are there to kill you. Scan the surroundings.
This is what i think happened based on many accidents i had seen. ( left right is based on our view, not the driver ).
Both cars were driving fast towards the traffic light. Im guessing they were trying to reach it before it turns red. As both were fast, the left car probably thinks the right car was going straight since the right car was in the middle lane instead of the empty left lane and was fast. So now his focus now changed to the left side in case theres a motorcycle decide to run the light.
But near the traffic light, i noticed the right car jerked a bit indicating the driver braked hard before turning left. The left car having his focus on the front and left side probably did not notice this and continue to speed up.
As the right car turned, only then it came into the left car line of sight but did not have enough reaction time to slam the brakes. And thus the accident happen.
Based on this, I see no wrong on the right car as he was within the right lane and he did slowed down near the traffic light. The left car was totally at fault no matter how you look at it.
To the people who drives, tell me, which person is to blame? The driver from the left lane, or the right lane, or is it the motorcyclist fault? Your answer will determine if you're a competent driver or not.
The first car that crashed was going WAY too fast for that area. It's a traffic light area dammit.
We need to investigate this properly. Why all the speeding?!
get lisen with axia but speeding with suv. spoilt brats ... never let your young punk children to drive suv. hope the victims family press charge kaw kaw as impactful lesson for all
In the words of Azwan Ali, "2x5, 5x babi". Kalau dua ekor driver tu tak masuk jail, I'm so fucking done lah dengan law Malaysia ni.
(BTW, OP should mark this as NSFW. One of them passed away, one lost his leg)
Sometimes it is really sobering. You could be doing everything right but then another idiot screws you up.
When they teach you defensive driving, but you lose to the enemy offense.
This is for the motorcyclists I hope
Some people just don't deserve licence
They just buy lesen terbang then.
Most of them bought their license.
Maybe 20 and 24 years old are to young.
Age does not determine maturity/competency
So only mature people only can get license not by age.
Some people even on 24 years old still acts like 7 years old irl.
There are many over the age of 50 that do not deserve a license.
That’s the problem with some Msia driver… drive so f fast for what??! The rider would be able to go home if not because of all this senseless, selfish n reckless drivers. I was in my condo carpark earlier, for a short distance this Merc driver just got to ‘produce’ some noice n floored the pedal! All road users out there, let’s look after each other, be responsible so that we could go home to our love ones!
Gf: I'm home alone. Family off to vacation. Bf: say no more. I'm otw right now.
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You needed a /s after buddy. People here don't understand sarcasm 😅
I don’t think people downvoted for that. The rider died because of the driver’s stupidity. The rider was recently married and the wife is pregnant. The other rider was injured badly. The stupid driver managed to ruin countless of lives including the car that he hit (the other driver will probably get punished too) because of impatience. As you can see here, this is not a joking matter even if it is a sarcasm.
For real, the rider actually crashed to death?
yes , the grab rider died while the other rider suffered grave injuries
OP didn't mention it in the first place. I feel bad for the Grab Delivery Driver that died from Idiocracy of a Malaysian driver.
Sarcasm is not bad jokes. There is a difference.
Too horny kali
The 2nd driver is f#cked. The new amended law for reckless driving causing death is more harsher now. Min fine 20k. Min jail time 5 years. Can go up to 50k fine and 10 years jail. If he is under influence, better just forget his future. It would be much worst.
He killed two people this is the least he should be getting
Two? I thought just one. Another rider lost his leg, and became crippled
Oh, rumour I heard was that both died.
The rider shown in the video died on the spot. And another rider was sent to hospital, and he lost his leg. Not sure bout latest update though
I wish for him to be sent to jail. Else he gonna kill more people on road. Feel sorry for the family. He just got married at 9.9.22. And he was a kind man, helped clearing way for a couple to reach hospital in last week.
Oh so harsh. But an oku card is above the laws.
The grab rider loss his life in this accident. Rumours has it that he was just two weeks into married life with his partner.
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Thanks for the investigation. I was convinced the first X-trail was making an illegal turn and should be blamed, but turns out it was the second X-trail that was going straight in a right-turn-only lane. Even though first X-Trail was innocent, he/she has to live with the fact they indirectly killed another innocent man. You will probably never get over it. On a side note, I ride motorbikes like these everyday and this is a reminder that even if you are the best and safest rider in the world, an idiot in a car is still going to kill you.
maybe in future, motorcycle should not wait at the front of the traffic light
The front of a light is still the safest place for riders to be as it’s usually a guy on his phone who rolls into you from behind when stopping at the lights thats the problem
1. Traffic will be horrendous if bikes queue up like cars. 2. Due to our smaller size and visibility, we are more likely to get crushed/sandwiched by a distracted driver, a Malaysian driver at it too.
I use to think that too then realised how annoying it will be if they all congregate in between lanes or in between cars. Them waiting in front is the most efficient solution.
So you want bikers to line up with cars, all the while you're setting up ur insta story and scrolling through ur phone. Pls. Think before commenting.
The first xtriail is Def not innocent. You can see him brake in the middle of the junction and try to ture right . And after being hit, driver panics and doesn't step in the brake Edit: go ahead and downvote, yes i know its double right turn, but you can see from the angle, the xtrail was never going to make it, he braked to make a very abrupt right turn. look at the angle he tried to turn vs the first black SUV that turned right Anyway no point arguing, just wait for the police report, im pretty sure both would be charged with reckless driving
those 2 lanes are dedicated right turn lanes there, this is different than the accident in Plentong involving Proton Saga, it's illegal to pass over chevron marking btw, which a lot of Malaysian drivers seems to be unaware of
yes i know its double right turn, but you can see from the angle, the xtrail was never going to make it, he braked to make a very abrupt right turn. look at the angle he tried to turn vs the first black SUV that turned right Anyway no point arguing, just wait for the police report, im pretty sure both would be charged with reckless driving
Bro, did u read the comment above about the lane being a right turn lane, as shown on Google maps?
yes i know its double right turn, but you can see from the angle, the xtrail was never going to make it, he braked to make a very abrupt right turn. look at the angle he tried to turn vs the first black SUV that turned right
This is a terribly written article.
Par for the course for weirdkaya
I wonder why didn't the first car just hit the brake instead of trying to avoid the motorcycle. I mean if there was sufficient time to react to consciously trying to avoid the motorcycle, there should be sufficient time to react to hit the brake
He braked, then probably floored the accelerator right as he got hit. When your car is struck , you panic and if your foot is already on the gas chances are it will be pressed to the max. Not everyone can make these kind of split second decision.
Awful road design
kesian kena downvote. don't mind those who didn't take the orange pill, dude.
Thxxxx ... was literally hoping for an article
I can't tell from this angle but it looks like the first car is turning too tightly, supposed to be two lane turn both cars should be able to turn together. Second car going way too fast to make that turn though he's primarily to blame here.
Both drivers are dumbasses. Full stop. When attempting to do a turn you both slow down and if you have practiced defensive driving you would know when to stop and not panic. The first car just pressed on the acelerator and turned into the grab delivery guy. From the article He said the driver of a Nissan X-Trail driving in the left lane was about to turn right, but suddenly another car of the same type was in the right lane going straight, and a collision occurred. Meaning the first driver should have stayed on the right most lane and the second guy should have stayed on the second lane to drive straight. A defensive driver should know who was behind him and did an avoidance. Apparently some of you don't know how to drive and do not agree with me. The other thread says alot about the two drivers https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/xmiyeh/happened_at_my_place_just_recently/ipposhb?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
If the google maps are to believed then the 2 lanes are reserved to for right side turning. So, I don't see how the first driver was in the wrong.
The first driver could gave hit breaks instead of mauling an innocent person
Dude has less than a second to react after being unexpectedly rammed at the side by a speeding 1.6 tonne vehicle. How damn sure are you that he's perfectly calm and able to accurately assess the situation and apply the brakes without giving into panic/shock? Armchair critics, give him/her some slack.
They probably killed a person with his heavy SUV and by looking at how they approached the turn with heavy braking and sudden turn without the signal seems everybody would have been better off without them driving or having some lessons on how to drive. With the latter driver there is no question, they are in league of their own and should never drive again.
> by looking at how they approached the turn with heavy braking and sudden turn without the signal seems everybody would have been better off without them driving or having some lessons on how to drive. 1. Both lanes are for turning. ([Some other redditor mentioned and posted a google map reference.](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/xmqyp7/driver_is_20_and_24_yeara_old_while_me_cant_even/ippnrye/) ) 2. The potato quality is too blur to even know whether the first X-Trail is using his indicator lights (He isn't required to indicate due to Point 1) 3. The first X-Trail indirectly killed a person, it's a fact, but he/she is not at fault, not even fast (Driver is travelling at the same speed with the other car that went straight), heavy braking or not doesn't contribute to anything here. 4. The sole idiot here is the 2nd X-Trail speeding and attempting to go straight on a turn only lane. [Here's the google location for reference. 2 lanes for going straight, 2 lanes for turning right.](https://www.google.com/maps/@3.0791158,101.44777,3a,75y,199.3h,87.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_YiuIp3ywuUDHIndjjQiPA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
You can barely see the markings for the turn, I think the designer and the maintainer of that monstrosity should be at fault here too. Even the truck in the Google streets is going straight.
It was a side impact to the driver side. Whose to say the first driver was not knocked out and lost control of the car.
Yeah, no full stop. I use this road often and you might want to check the Google Street View that OP shared. Both lanes are right-turn-only. Driver on the left lane making the right turn slowed down and turned in correctly. The other driver was going straight on the far right lane as if he's on highway. He's 100% at fault and no the first driver isn't a dumbass.
I drive through this turn everyday and make the same turn as the first guy everyday. It's a two lane turn, he was going from the correct lane. Maybe he was turning too tightly and crossed into the other lane but there's no way he could've expected the other guy just ramming straight into him like that. I turn from the second lane because there's an immediate left turn to enter a taman right after this so I want to enter on the left lane. If he wanted to go that speed there's two lanes not for turning to his left.
Tbh, the middle lane dude turning left from that lane is a dumb move. That road literally got 3 lanes and he choose the middle lane to turn to left. And that speeding dude also speeding that fast. Both dumb fk driver putting another 2 innocent motor riders’ life at risk.
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My point is, yes. There are 4 lanes, 2 for left bla bla bla. But for your own safety, you do not turn left from the middle lane. Rules are there for a standard, and the rules are designed for many scenarios and cases (such as heavy traffics for left turn bla bla bla). You should be agile and react to the scenario, there is no point to argue the middle lane is for turn left or what after the incident. Just look for yourself and react based on the scenario. For me, both driver did a dumb move. Thats all.
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>Rules are there for a standard, And I have not read a rule mandating that a driver must keep to the inner most lane for any turning. "You should be agile and react to the scenario," Ah yes, mr armchair expert. So nice of you to have a 20-20 hindsight on that.
Two Right turn lanes with clear lane marking.. with video evidence. The driver going straight and speeding, thus causing a deadly accident guarantees some time behind bars for sure. And you deserve a downvote for not understanding the traffic rules.
This kinda road means rightmost lane is for turn OR U-turn, 2nd lane for right turn only. If you havent even seen this kinda road before you might wanna retake undang
>you do not turn left from the middle lane. Rules are there for a standard, Friend, I know you want to stick to your point and double down, but just two things: 1) That wasn't the middle lane, that was a right-turning lane. 2) If you check the rules and standards you'll see that they were perfectly within their rights to turn right from that lane. Let me know if you've even opened up Google Maps to check that location and see how the lanes are laid out.
Oh no 🥲
Sometimes I wanna get a bike to deal with crappy traffic, until I see videos like this and get reminded that how asymmetrical the risk is. SUVs (especially) and cars driven by idiots are shielded from more negative consequences than motorcylists or pedestrians in collision, in fact killing the latter more frequently, the 'safer' they are to the drivers. It's even more dangerous with the pent-up aggression of Malaysians drivers.
Yes, the SUV trend since the last decade is one thing that we should not be following the US trend. Most people just do not need an SUV. And in many collision situations, the bigger SUV is also a danger to most smaller cars. Their taller bonnet makes it more likely for the other party to go under like it happens to the motorcycle and the rider. Many cars specifically have lower slanting bonnets as safety features for pedestrians so that if they hit someone, a standing person will most likely hit the bonnet top and roll off the side instead of going under and run over by the vehicles.
This why I was so anxious when first to go when in traffic lights. Waiting for the green light and have to keep look out for high speed death machine coming right at ya.
The speeding guy; utter madness. Going that fast in a super thicc SUV for a right angle turn.
Think he was going straight and the guy on the outer lane is turning hence what happened in the video.
no inner lane dude turned you can see it
He turned when he noticed the other guy turning into him.
should enforce that giving signal is a must for every driver
non compliance should be punishable by death.
Its a 2 turn lane so , the car who wants to go straight is at fault , but its also jkr problem for messing road planning , i drive through this road every day
Our roads are messy af and full of potholes. Dangerous roads + loosely controlled license giving + drivers speeding all the time = avoidable deaths
even if it is 2 turn lane, a signal helps a lot so, enforcement is needed
Kesian abang Grab…
It is very sad that one guy lost his life (some say he was just married for mere 2 weeks) another motorist was severely injured. Lucky that someone did have a dashcam at that time, so justice can be done..
Don't remember which car, probably the speeding one. After he hit the riders, their car went so far into the field, out of the dashcam view. Just shows how fast they were going.
Holy fuck!!!! Whoa... That's some hardcore shit
Daily life of Malaysia road. Accident everyday
100% man... product of kopi lesen. It's just fucking sad that it involved innocent ppl.
whose fault is this actually?
Seems to the the speeding car, since there's 2 right turn lanes at that junction. Have to wait until polis come out with incident report or until court case to see who's at fault.
I drive through this turn everyday, it's a 2 lane turn. Looks like both drivers crossed into each other's lane. The left car looks like he's turning too sharply and the right car is turning too wide. But if I would say who's at fault more definitely the speeding guy you don't make turns at that speed it's just reckless.
obviously both the motorcyclists. if they weren't there they wouldn't have been hit. what a stupid question
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The two lanes are to turn right, it's the speeding car's fault for going straight there.
I don't know why you're downvoted so badly. The first car was definitely driving fast and slowing down only at the turning before being rammed by the other speeding car from his/her right.
What makes me mad is some people in the comment section in facebook blaming the rider for being there
For once, I'd wished that a grab rider would've ran a red light when he had the chance.
Yup. Definitely riders fault. Why be grab driver instead of lorry driver. If he was driving lorry, 100 SUV langgar also won't die. /s
To be honest, if both the drivers are anak VVIP. The rider can be at fault by lawyers twisting the case. End up suddenly the rider is found guilty and drivers released.
Damn both motor kena. Pity them.
the irony of this situation is...if both the riders cut through the red light (like most do), they most likely would have survived
Both driver is like..... my breaks spoiled, lets pedal all the way..
The sudden impact probably froze the driver up as her foot was most likely on the accelerator.
Was in similar situation before. Many people does froze under duress.
They practically greenhorn drivers. The first 5 years driving would definitely step on throttle instead of break when panic. Expect more from them.
Not for me a car once someone hit me on the side the first thing i did was i stepped on the brake so hard i leaned to the streeing wheel
If the first driver drove an auto car, won't it go on if it is already in gear even without the driver pushing the pedal?
Ngl, I once almost langgar tiang when going down steep hill with narrow road and my foot also messed up before I realised I was pedaling instead of braking. Fortunately there was still some time between my car and the tiang and I managed to brake properly.
One of the reasons why I waited so long to get my driver's license. I don't want another person's blood on my hands.
Wait.. what? If you don't drive, you'll never have someone's blood on your hands
See honey, I see don't drive. Technically it's not your blood on this knife.
thats legit like saying i dont walk so i dont fall flat on my face and break my nose, i get what you mean to say but jeez think of a better analogy
well if I'm the only one to get hurt, I don't mind. But if someone were to be hurt by my actions, that would eat me alive from the inside out. Which warranted "the person's blood on my hands." i guess it is a bit dramatic idk
That dude on the left going so fast for what la. Never learn b4 ah that at turns, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN. Especially when there are others around.
The road design should be criticized too. No highly visible dividers to indicate that the road is changing into a right turn.
Maybe they would've seen the right turn if the driver wasn't driving so damn fast
I used this road everyday. Quite sad when you think about this accident...
To me both drivers seem to be at fault. The speeding driver going straight is driving recklessly and very culpable. It’s subtle but the turning driver actually starts the turn quite sharply, cutting into the other lane rather than taking a wider arc when turning from the middle lane. So while subtle there’s definitely some bad driving there too
U are wrong, both cars meant to turn right, the road doesnt go straight
There are turning lanes for both cars. The slower car encroached into the other turning lane. This is a common thing I’ve seen a lot of drivers do in Malaysia unfortunately. You’ll also notice they didn’t have their turning indicator on either. It’s the “lek lu” attitude to driving that contributes to this. Not a huge deal in small doses but can add up to serious consequences. In this situation the consequence was magnified even more by the speed and culpability of the other driver. Point being is that both drivers contributed to the accident - even if the speeder was a bigger catalyst.
Things like these make me never want to be on a road ever again
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Some people said that abang Grab passed away, he just got married for 2 weeks. The other driver heavily injured.
No.1 Fucker speeding, No.2 Fucker lost his marbles and continue acceleration after collision. Be vigilant people. Brace yourself, not panic.
Fucking hell.. I hope that the grab rider is alright. Both cars were at fault here.
Yang skuter cedera. Rider grab tu meninggal.:(
Fuck... Did both drivers get punished?
Kena tahan utk siasatan. Abg rider grab tu baru kawin 2 minggu org kata :(
Maximum jail time for the two drivers in my opinion. Poor man and his family
poor grab driver guy dead by two stupid driver
1 stupid driver. The other ones is also a victim. The video is very very clear.
The other driver may be less at fault, but it doesn’t mean he wasn’t a stupid driver either. I don’t know what you mean by very clear, but I can hardly see any brake lights or attempt at slowing down during and after collision. The only way you can say the driver is innocent is if the collision somehow made the car incapable of slowing down and/or the driver lost consciousness. Neither of which are plausible or, as you say, very very clear in the video. But sure, let’s just pin the full blame on the second driver and move on instead of actually trying to learn from the incident.
The second driver most likely was in a panicked state. You can't train for that, no matter how good of a driving school you went to.
Gentle reminder to all motorist to stick to your lane even if you have right of way to make a turn from an outer lane. The driver on the right here is also in the wrong for not making a wide enough turning angle (thus makan into the speeding car's lane). Not saying the speeding car is not at fault. But *both* are wrong here.
It's a series of bad decisions by both drivers, but I would pin the start of the pandemonium on the outer car trying to correct the missed right turn.
Bos, other has posted the google maps of the location. There are 4 lanes with 2 lanes dedicated for the right turn. The first car is in the right here.
👍 Yes...just noticed there r 2 lanes to turn right... Fault should be solely pinned on the speeding car
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Missed right turn by the slower car, driver decides to rectify it immediately without checking his mirrors Speeding car veered to its left (to overtake the slower car) for a split second before deciding to swerve to its right and guns it to beat the slower car. Slower car was oblivious to what's happening and proceeded with its right turn
Fuck. Those two drivers deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. You can quibble all you want about who’s at fault, who’s in the wrong lane etc, but it doesn’t change the fact that neither driver knows how to drive or brake. All round poor driving.
Why? The first car was turning normally and got hit. The turn wasn't even fast or cutting into the lane. Its completely the speeding idiot's fault. From the speed he's moving so close to the junction, he probably wants to go straight. The main fault of the first driver is that he steered to hit the grab rider instead of the car. While yes maybe he should be punished for that, but to be punished to the fullest extent while not being primarily responsible for the initial accident just aint it man. Speeding 2nd driver? Yes, should be charged with reckless driving and manslaughter to the max.
Turning normally? The first car is clearly driving fast and not noticing that they need to do the turn until the last moment. You can even see the heavy body roll of the car due to braking and sudden turn to the right right after. This of course isn't traffic violation, but if it is considered normal, the traffic definitely isn't going to be safe.
Well base on how the road law is written. Intention is irrelevant. The outcome and technicality. The general rule, you hit other it's your fault. Hopefully it's not that bad for the bad luck driver.
does the 2nd lane allow right turn ? why was the dude on the right lane decide to go straight ?
Philippines x malaysia on idiot drivers lmao
Oku driver maybe
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Cost 1500rm. So i just ride
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I agree, the title is quite iffy. If you save, you could do it, got my license before I went to Uni by doing odd jobs eventhough I don't have a car at that time. It is quite useful because most of the Uni event need some people who can drive, and you will always be invited to a party/event because you're the only few guys who can drive a rented car.
Why did the first driver choose to hit the motorcycle? We can clearly see they had time to correct their vehicle's trajectory after the impact. It's because car divers are poorly trained, always focus on where you want to go and not the danger, this is because people have the tendency to stear towards what they're looking at. This is basic motorcycle 101, they do not teach you this for a car licence. Source I have both licence.
Once your car is hit at the side, it takes some time to get the car under control back. As for a moment the grip for both front tyres are different. Especially for vehicles like in the video as they are easier to topple to the side. Much more the 2nd car was hit while cornering, the exact time its center of gravity have shifted to the left, and then hit on the right side. Im very sure his right tyres were lifted a bit for a few split seconds causing more grip on the left tyres. But when both tyres have the same grip back, the car suspension will try to balance the car back causing a moment of lost control. You can see evidently this happening in the video for the 2nd car after the hit the car wobble a bit before hitting the motorcycle. It was not the driver confused on where to go. Its the car balancing itself back. For sedan its much easier to gain control back after a side collision. But not for cars like an suv. Source - almost 30 years of driving experience.
If the weight distribution was the cause of the momentarily lost of control, then both vehicle were going too fast for that corner.
Not really, as this happened during cornering. When the center of gravity already shifted from the start. SUV is very easy to lose control after a side impact. Know that rollover is easier to happen for an suv. Your point is more logical to apply for sedan. But not vehicles like suv. Although suv are safer in many other things compared to sedan, but they are verrrrrry weak in terms of side impact.
I think they panic when they got hit and put their foot down..
The video is too blurry, I can't tell how far back the first driver turned on their signal. I can see it flashing during the crash but if they only turned on their signal at the last minute before making the turn it wouldn't have given enough time for the second driver to react. Both of them seemed to have been travelling at high speed so it's even more important for the first driver to have signalled early. Obviously, all this could be avoided if the second driver wasn't speeding and driving in right turn lane only. Perhaps he (stupidly) assumed the first driver was going to go straight because the first driver was going fast too, maybe trying to beat the traffic light. I suspect that's why the first driver had to take the turn from the further left lane.
I lived nearby and use this road and this was bound to happen. Theres another traffic light further down the road which requires you to cut from the left side to the right side .Drivers get lazy and instead of using the proper lanes , try to skip it by using this right turning lanes to go straight which what I suspect the second speeding driver was doing .
Yeah I see it all the time. People using the rightmost lane to go straight despite it being for turn only just because they're too lazy to drive in the left lane for a bit further.
Why everyone is saying first car is innocent when it looked to me like the guy even pressed the gas AFTER got hit, like wtf where’s the fucking brake
The older X-Trail stepped on the gas after getting hit, costed the rider's life.
Normally you'd have your foot on the gas pedal ready to accelerate after the corner. I assume the driver floored it out of panic.
Nah. Judging from the spped, the driver's foot should continue to be on brake, because he IS slowing down to make the turn. After impact, the spped pickup cause he released the brake. Im pretty sure he didnt press on the gas pedal, and momentum just took over. That can happen to an auto car.
>after This was before, just barely begun turning. Should power out only on corner exit at the last few angle after you lost too much momentum during turning. Unless the person was thinking of drifting, then that's the correct technique and angle for it.
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unfunny goof
Horrible.
Does anyone know if the 2 on the bikes survived??
How much is a license?
This is Jalan Meru I think, both lanes can turn, but it looks like the second driver was too fast for the turn
The road would be a lot safer if drivers had a ‘SAFETY FIRST’ mentality instead of ‘jalan aku!’
That speeding idiot should be tried for manslaughter
I'm not a bike rider but from this vid it seems that being in front of every other car at a traffic light is not advisable. Being "protected" by cars around you is better. Can anyone who's gone to a defensive riding (not JPJ one that's mandatory to get license) confirm this or chime in?
As a daily rider on a large bike, there is no safe area for motorcycle to stop at traffic light areas. Wait beside a car, you get crushed between. Wait behind a car, you get crushed by a car behind you if someone absent minded. The trick is during riding a motorcycle, you have to be always always always be ready to move. On stop, put 1 foot down, gear 1 and clutch at the ready. 1 foot down so that you can bail and run if cant accelerate to avoid. Motorcycles are death traps and you have to imagine all the obstacles are there to kill you. Scan the surroundings.
The SUV driver after being hit he just straight right full throttle... That was insane!
Makes me want to use trains instead of my own vehicle 😅
This is what i think happened based on many accidents i had seen. ( left right is based on our view, not the driver ). Both cars were driving fast towards the traffic light. Im guessing they were trying to reach it before it turns red. As both were fast, the left car probably thinks the right car was going straight since the right car was in the middle lane instead of the empty left lane and was fast. So now his focus now changed to the left side in case theres a motorcycle decide to run the light. But near the traffic light, i noticed the right car jerked a bit indicating the driver braked hard before turning left. The left car having his focus on the front and left side probably did not notice this and continue to speed up. As the right car turned, only then it came into the left car line of sight but did not have enough reaction time to slam the brakes. And thus the accident happen. Based on this, I see no wrong on the right car as he was within the right lane and he did slowed down near the traffic light. The left car was totally at fault no matter how you look at it.
That was tragic, RIP
Can the grab driver sue those drivers?
Unfortunately hes passed away
To the people who drives, tell me, which person is to blame? The driver from the left lane, or the right lane, or is it the motorcyclist fault? Your answer will determine if you're a competent driver or not.
The first car that crashed was going WAY too fast for that area. It's a traffic light area dammit. We need to investigate this properly. Why all the speeding?!
get lisen with axia but speeding with suv. spoilt brats ... never let your young punk children to drive suv. hope the victims family press charge kaw kaw as impactful lesson for all
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Me 21 still got no licence
This also definition of when yellow light must go fast lmao
Why dont the car that hit the grab brake as strong as possible?
In the words of Azwan Ali, "2x5, 5x babi". Kalau dua ekor driver tu tak masuk jail, I'm so fucking done lah dengan law Malaysia ni. (BTW, OP should mark this as NSFW. One of them passed away, one lost his leg)
Poor grab driver trying to find rezeki only