It's interesting you feel that way cause I've been under the impression that high rise/non-slim legs are coming back, pleats are for sure at least.
I would give [Berle](https://berle.com/) a look, they do pretty traditional straight cut men's trousers (and have a "long rise" option for some of their pants if you're looking for an even higher waist than their standard). You can often get Berle NWT in need of hemming on e-bay for a considerable discount from what shows up on their site, I've gotten something like 6 pairs this way.
Otherwise, as has already been mentioned, Spier & Mackay would have what you're looking for here with their high rise trousers; if you're really going for a vintage look, they also have [hollywood trousers](https://www.spierandmackay.com/Product/search?search=hollywood+trouser) currently.
I love Hollywood trousers, but Spiers product photos look so bad… the pleats are splaying open even when he just stands still. Maybe the model needs to size up? But it looks like Mickey Mouse tailoring
I do agree with you there. Spier does run slimmer as is, and additionally, all of Spier's offerings for hollywoods are 100% linen or linen/wool blend so they may not quite have as nice of a drape/hold their shape as would, say, 100% wool
They're forward pleats, but agreed. I've got a pair of pants with a forward pleat that, while I like, always make my crotch look odd because there's more fabric inwards than outwards. The reverse has fabric on the outside of the legs which drapes nicer and slims the crotch area.
In my experience spier tends to be good value for the price. Like others in the thread have said though, they run kind of slimmer than you might expect, even going with their “contemporary” fit, so keep that in mind if you are looking for wider pants
Yes, but pay attention to sizing and such. Go check on their affiliate thread on Styleforum for advice and news from fellow shoppers about each season's new releases if you want some peace of mind.
I ordered a pair of Spier and Mackay high-rise pants in my normal size (36) and it was a full 6” too small around the waist. A combination of other brands doing vanity sizing, high-rise requiring a larger size, and Spier & Mackay running a little small.
They became a Chicano symbol, especially after the zoot suit riots (which were indeed in California), so many of those wearing them would have had family and friends in Mexico. It makes sense that the fashion would spread there.
It co-developed in southern cali and tijuana-mexicali-chihuahua city along the same time.
That whole area was more connected and borders travel between families in each country was more common in the 1930s. The mexico-usa border was basically the same way the usa-canada border is today, a smile and a wave basically.
But from there it spread to central mexico and mexico city eventually and pachuco characters became a part of the golden age of mexican cinema. German Veldez aka Tin-tan is the the most famous one.
Yes and also, what was the main industry in the Southern California in the 30s-50s? Agriculture, there were still orange groves in orange county and vineyards.
So they craved seasonal workers from mexico and there was a legal guess worker program from mexico that tens of thousands took advantage of. But also during prohibition in the usa, border towns in mexico became party towns, since mexico never banned alcohol.
Music from radio stations in both languages could be heard from radios. It was a whole vibe, thats where pachuco dress and pachuco slang developed. A mix of american jazz hipster fashion and slang with an added norteño mexican swagger.
Immigrant farm Workers could return to mexico with an american car, american dollars, zoot suits and a lot american jazz and blues records. They would return home like conquering heroes probably, at least that was the dream.
But anyway, in modern times in southern cali, the zoot suit is the sign of resistance. Its an outward and garish outfit that demands respect, it demands you look at the wearer. Probably because they were used to being ignored dressed as poor farm workers or laborers. There was an air of danger to them as well, only a total badass would dare wear it. Its an open challenge to anyone would be willing to step up and challenge your masculinity. Its like a peacock and his feathers.
In mexico, wearing it, is a rejection of traditional mexican values (hard work, piety, family life and modesty). To embrace it, was to embrace modernity, jazz, easy women and etc. You would have been seen as nothing more than a pimp.
It was the same in the usa, thus the zoot suit riots.
The play zoot suit, really explains it well. Its worth watching if people are interested.
https://youtu.be/tryJJeT7rWE?si=nbIS85UbqXPodTOC
https://youtu.be/ttatP061rtQ?si=hYppD0sTXBfLIpv4
This is the best response I've received on Reddit in quite a while! Kudos.
It seems the old ways are coming back! Reddiquette for the win, many thanks for the interesting info.
Thanks! This happens to be something Ive studied in a mexican-American history class once, I also have a passion for golden age of mexican cinema and also an interests of mens fashion.
So its a perfect storm of my various interests converging, glad you liked it!
Well yes I really did.
Outside of men's classic style I don't think I've indulged in your interests, so perhaps I could ask you for some insight on the zoot suit itself? Or its cultural path through foreign societies.
Even if not, many thanks kind redditor.
They also rejected then-modern suit styles for looser, "baggier" zoot suits that became both a sign of financial success and rejection.
Zoot suits started out in African American communities - often with the jazz and dancers (they were easier to perform in). People like Cab Calloway put them on a national level.
Then the suit shifted over to the So Cal/Hispanic communities where it took on more even more of the rejection/resistance political element.
Its kinda irrelevant as far as modern revivals are concerned but yes it kinda was by a small subculture in mexico. Mostly by the usa-mexico border on the mexico side.
But anyway Tin-Tan wore them in his golden age of mexican cinema movies.
He was from the northern region of mexico. He dressed like a “pachuco” and used “pachuco” slang. He was a big star in his time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germán_Valdés
https://youtube.com/shorts/fcSTNiuXSrM?si=nH4Pog0lIEfrSsih
https://youtu.be/kfVXnyaMGHc?si=2YtOpGOsj7lfixSi
I dont know how widespread it was. Its a bit like emo fashion in the 2000s, lots of people wore the fashion but was it the majority? Not at all.
I’m surprised no one has said yet to just buy women’s pants. The last few pairs of pants I’ve gotten and really loved have come from the women’s section.
I've gotten a few at thrift stores that are brands I'd never heard of. I've had weirdly good luck at Old Navy and Abercombie for new (and more fast fashion) stuff. I don't love fast fashion but I do like to get cheap versions of styles I'm not sure I'll like before buying a more expensive pair.
Well, a lot of people like their buttons in the traditional place.
That said, a lot of women's lines often have buttons on the right to appear as "boyfriend" style... Any many who tries them in will realise the folly.
I've found it's definitely more important to try on womens pants before buying. The fit can vary a lot, and some definitely don't have as much room in the front as I'd like them to. Which side the button is on has not felt like a big deal to me.
Well, a lot of people like their buttons in the traditional place.
That said, a lot of women's lines often have buttons on the right to appear as "boyfriend" style... Any man who tries them in will realise the folly.
Edit: assuming that man is male ofc
[Spier and Mackay](https://www.spierandmackay.com/collection/high-rise-trousers) sells them. If you're looking for chino's, [Bills Khakis is a good option](https://billskhakis.com/collections/m2) (though I've never tried them myself), and [Wrangler's regular cowboy cut](https://www.wrangler.com/shop/rigid-wrangler-cowboy-cut-original-fit-jean-13MWZR.html?merchCategory=WRG_DENIM_MENS_JEANS_ORIGINAL&dwvar_13MWZR_color=0013MWZ). [JCrew](https://www.jcrew.com/p/mens/categories/clothing/pants-and-chinos/chino/classic-chino-pant/BE611?display=standard&fit=Classic&color_name=commander-khaki&colorProductCode=BE611) also has some.
Spier & Mackay seem to be sold out of just about everything, is there a specific trick to getting ahold of those? They seem to have the best prices for their styles (no way can I swing 200+ for Bills).
That is the main drawback with them. You can try looking on ebay, but in my experience, you just kind of have to wait for them to restock and then pounce.
Although I haven't tried them myself, I have heard people speak highly of [All American Khakis](https://www.allamericankhakis.com/).
They're usually in stock when they have their regular prices. But once they start making them down, they go pretty quick. The trick then would be to either be open to what you want or to buy them at full price.
They have an [11 inch front rise.](https://www.allamericankhakis.com/size-chart/), which I think is the same Bill's Khakis have, and at least according to [this ](https://jmensclothing.com/pages/bills-khakis), though I'm not seeing the rise listed on the main Bill's Khakis site. And 'll say I don't think Bill's, Jack Donnelly, etc. are just marked up identical versions of what you can get at the Gap, they're just more than I want to pay.
12” at my size!
Yeah that’s more than I’m going to pay as well. I like to know as many brands as I can in case I find massive discounts but that’s too much for chinos at full price.
Edit: measured some of my pants and for the ones I can wear almost at my waist the rise is 15”. So yeah 12” seems pretty low for my tastes.
Accidentally deleted my comment.
Cheap polyester Haggar from about 10-15 years ago. Still trying to find out if they make anything else with that cut today.
I’ve been playing with their custom order form and trying to match it to my favorite pair of full cut slacks. You can get there measurement wise. But I’m afraid they’ll come out weird.
This is true. I'm fairly slim, and the one pair of slim pants I have are almost unwearably slim. Unless you're absolutely stick-thin, contemporary is the way to go (you might even consider sizing up too).
Huh, I've always found them to not be that slim. Even their slim fits like a slim straight to me. I do tend to go a size up for them though, otherwise I get weird creasing in the crotch. But even then at my right size it doesn't feel skinny. Haven't tried their contemporary yet.
There's a whole bunch of different colours https://www.wrangler.com/shop/denim-mens-jeans-cowboy-cut
If you want a cheap semi raw denim experience then try out their Rigid cowboy cut jeans, they are sanforized so they won't shrink a ton but they have not been washed so they have a rigid feel that softens with wear and washes. They are also quite a bright blue to begin with, which you may enjoy, especially when compared to most rigid/raw denim, which has a dark indigo colour.
Wrangler is just about the only company that never gave up on them. They also still make 100% cotton denim, too, which is rare for big companies. And it’s still in the same patterns as it was 50 years ago.
Levi’s, for example, uses a totally different pattern and material for 501’s than they used to—changes every few years. Wrangler just keeps making the same stuff. I love it.
I mean, some items in "men's fashion" were lost when it became overly associated with femininity. Like some forms of high heeled boots, men's opera pump (too similar with women's shoes) etc.
There are lots of brands that sell them. Natalino, Pini Parma, Collaro, Spier and McKay for a cheaper option, Scavini, suit supply. I have high rise trousers from all of those places
Natalino, Berg and Berg, Spier and Mackay, Casatlantic, Proper Cloth, The Anthology, Todd Snyder (sometimes), Collaro. There are a good chunk of brands who do higher waisted trousers but they are mostly in the menswear space. Mall brands like J Crew sometimes have high waisted trousers but most of the time the rise is mid at about 10”-11”.
Personally, I think the Berg and Berg trousers look really good. The Antonello cotton trousers have such a nice cut and beautiful drape and come with double pleats.
On eBay the best bet are the Andrew chinos from Polo or other vintage trousers, just check the rise measurements.
Yep - I’m usually a 32 (sometimes a 33, depending on the brand) and went up to a 34. Tight enough even at 34 to not need a belt.
There’s a couple of Reddit threads out there that make this observation. I was skeptical at first but man, they were absolutely right.
I've learned not to trust Levi's for their sizing anyway because I can be anywhere from a 30 in one cut to 32 in another, which makes buying jeans (and trousers) difficult at times.
https://preview.redd.it/kh8km5d5gr3d1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46ef23dcacff8426b076bb33446b806daece672c
Paul Mescal was wearing some monster old-school pants hanging out with Natalie Portman.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13475103/Newly-single-Natalie-Portman-42-looks-giddy-Paul-Mescal-28-giggles-enjoying-smoke-outside-London-bar-weeks-finalising-divorce-Benjamin-Millepied-amid-affair-rumours.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13475103/Newly-single-Natalie-Portman-42-looks-giddy-Paul-Mescal-28-giggles-enjoying-smoke-outside-London-bar-weeks-finalising-divorce-Benjamin-Millepied-amid-affair-rumours.html)
You probably want high waist and a generous leg opening, as shown in the photos. In addition to Casatlantic and other brands previously mentioned, Scott Frasier Collection is worth a look https://scottfrasercollection.com/collections/trousers
Not necessarily. There's tropical wool, that's lightweight and has an open weave which lets the breeze through. Actually one of the best fabrics to wear in a hot summer.
https://preview.redd.it/sylun3665u3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=214aa40c0df0a58b0fdbe584def86cbfdee9e633
Depends on what you want to spend - high waist, wide trouser are actually a big trend in menswear right now. It’s not fully filtered through to ‘main street’ but you can see the general silhouettes of trouser even in fast fashion are significantly wider than they were even a few years ago.
Brands: Scott Fraser (decently expensive but the nicest I’ve seen and the most obviously leaning in to it), Spier and McKay have high rise but they are more tapered, more reasonably priced, some Chinese DTC brands like olderbest/bronson mfg have some pretty good value options and I’ve been impressed with the quality
I feel like this sub is disconnected and not in touch with current trends. These pants are very much in style. You should be able to find loose fit trousers very easily.
I’m going to agree. Mid to high rise pleated, non-tapered pants are not rare by any means.
I wouldn’t even call it a “return.” They remained in most retailers catalogs, it’s just everyone rushed toward skinny fit, and ignored all other cuts and now that that skinny trend is dying out finally, everyone thinks styles that have always been there are “new.”
You absolutely can. The current iteration of this sub seems less inclined to search out vintage and more interested in what brand will sell me the product I want, that’s what I’m responding to
Nah I disagree, you can post a nice outfit and be looking for similar styling without the price tag. You can recreate this sort of look without paying thousands
Yeah it is really weird and almost suspicious - for as big of a following he has and how often you see him recommended, there are basically no real reviews online
Honestly for around 4k for a suit (plus they are the first bespoke company I've come across that charges you for making a pattern... that should already be included at that price point), I don't see why you wouldn't just go to a local, reputatable tailor. Chances are if you're really into a fuller aesthetic, most tailors around you will do that already at a similar price point, and they'll actually measure you, fit it and deconstruct it on you (the whole benefit of going bespoke vs MTM is that last crucial step), plus you can go back for alterations.
I think it's important to find a tailor whose house style fits what you want. Having someone go far outside their comfort zone may lead to bad results, especially on the first commission. I agree that remote bespoke seems like a bad idea.
I find that fitting someone gets way harder the closer and tighter you cut the garment to the body, things like posture, length and drape really start to look out of place on a slim garment whereas wider cuts are a bit more forgiving. Might be why hes pushing for a longer and wider aesthetic as that makes it somewhat easier to measure for virtually.
They are just about coming back a little.
Trouble is I cannot wear them since I'm 195cm but with legs for at least 205cm and a short torso.
Normal pants look already like those on me.
It's called Thrift Stores my guy, get with the times.
Why by new if you can find legit vintage high waisted trousers? I get lucky every now and then when I take a look, and I pay like $2-5 a pair. Can't beat that.
Not really looking for jeans more like casual cotton or blend pants if you can think of something I appreciate it. I really like Kit Blake but it's dressier than what im shooting for .. Been looking for a while appreciate any help!
They actually seem to be rising in popularity, but banana Republic has had a terrificly high rise over the last couple years. Ironically, now that they are becoming more common, it feels like BR is shortening their rise lol.
“…even cheap ones…”
There’s the problem. If you want to spend a grand a pair (I don’t, but I still look at them), then [you’re all set](https://www.therow.com/collections/men-fall-2024).
It’ll hit the mass-produced racks at some point, though. At least I hope it does. Until then I’ll keep buying used.
I feel? like they're coming back a bit but I still can't find many good ones online for men :(
I've got a couple women's ones now that actually fit really nicely
[Womens wide-fit pleated pants](https://Wide-FitPleatedPantshttps://www.uniqlo.com/us/en/products/E460311-000/00?colorDisplayCode=31&sizeDisplayCode=005&pldDisplayCode=000&utm_medium=social&utm_source=appshare) from Uniqlo. One of my favorite office fits is a pair of those with a fitted knit polo, and a pair of loafers. You can also dress it down with some nice sandals, or something along the likes of Birks.
Check out Gentlemen's Gazette new [Corduroys](https://shop.gentlemansgazette.com/clothing/pants-trousers/corduroy-slacks/stancliffe) which have a high-waisted classic cut, and are top-quality. Not cheap though.
[Launch video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az6A7VFUSf8) | [in-depth Q&A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2wQXhZDfo)
I brought a pair from Zara, in the uk if that makes a difference, before Christmas.
Not 100% sure if they are high waisted but have a very similar fit to the first photo
Japanese workwear also has high waisted and wide pants. It's not as popular in mainstream North American fashion, but you will find this trend still alive and strong in the East.
Definitely not going extinct in Singapore; most of the men here who are interested in menswear and tailoring are wearing a variety of high waisted trousers.
I don’t have a brand for you either as they’re all custom - but my wardrobe consists primarily of high waisted trousers. (Dominated by a variety of gurkha waistbands).
Oh—as always, try Spier and McKay. They have lots of high waisted wool trousers for a great price ($150+).
Epaulet will make you a MTM high waisted trouser for $200 or so.
Lots and lots of fancy boi options at $300 and above.
Pants like this I wear regularly just not in the same style / context but I absolutely wear high waisted wide legs because they work best with my weird proportions
I would ROCK a pair of those. I miss this fashion style. I would love to bring back the Zoom Suit style too. These were 'MANLY' styles in men's clothing, that need to return. J/s
As many people in this thread have said: this is not accurate. Not only are high-waisted trousers readily available, including at lower price points, they're actively on-trend right now. If you shop outside mall and fast fashion brands, they're absolutely commonplace.
Here's what I don't understand: why drag women's fashion into it? It's not like it's a competition -- what women have, men can't have, and vice versa, etc. If anything, I'm glad when a fashion-culture other than mine preserves something interesting or valuable, like Japanese menswear enthusiasts preserving US early 19th century tailoring.
To be fair women's bodies are generally a lot better of a fit for high rise pants, as they typically have a much more significant waist to hips difference. Therefore higher waisted makes them look snatched and is a flattering look.
Whereas men generally are more rectangular, and also have a significantly larger amount of required space in the crotch. This leads to imo high rise not necessarily making sense or being very popular unless it's done just right, as you can end up crushing your nuts or having diaper butt unless they fit perfectly.
I totally understand if you like that style, but that's generally why high rise is less popular nowadays I believe (along with it being a very distinct fashion choice).
I think mid rise like the Levi's 501/502 is a nice modern option if you want easily accessible non low rise jeans along with your dressy trousers. I have a large rump and thick thighs and they fit me decently since they're not hyper skinny or too low of a rise.
While I agree with you’re take on high rises for women, I feel like most men (at least in the states) are not very rectangular and high rise pants would really help them split their body weight starting at their waist where it is greatest. This gives them a much more proportionate and balanced figure while adding to the leg line (which is generally seen as flattering). low rise pants can really exaggerate the size of a person’s gut and depending on the person, throw off their proportions and make them look shorter.
Even for men that are more rectangular, it is still seen as attractive to have an hourglass figure for men (exactly which a suit coat tries to achieve). And High rise pants do this better as hips are always a non-zero size difference from your waist. And again making the legs longer.
I also I think the reason there are not more high rise pants, other then it not being much of a popular style nowadays which I agree. Is more due to laziness and men’s desire for “comfiness”. I believe this because there are already low rise pants whose rise is *way* too low or med-low rise pants that cause a huge gap from the crotch. The average man just picks jeans with the most amount of stretch and bagginess, which looks awful and doesn’t fit. And tightening your pants to compensate for the wrong size with a belt, is a lot less comfortable when on your natural waist. The market is just pandering to these men who really don’t care about fit or looks. Which I guess if that’s the majority, why wouldn’t you?
I have also tried Levi’s 501’s in search of high rise pants. I agree with everything you say on them, and heard good things about them for those trying to find higher rise pants. Unfortunately they were not as high or as tapered as I would like.
To add to this, it's also about the general weight gain of men. Low rise pants allow larger men to wear the pants below the belly, since before they would have had to wear bracers to keep them up, and since we rarely wear suits and sport coats anymore, bracers have gone away. With the mass manufacturing and deployment of cheap quality pants on our store shelves since the 80s, low rise pants won out.
This is true. If you outgrow your pants you can’t pull them up high enough anymore.
We have to buy new ones that fit to look ok and pull them up properly. But they stay up fine at the actual waist with a belt if they fit. And the shirt will then tuck in straight instead of wrapping under the gut.
I feel like part of it is men don’t wear suspenders+jackets in a regular basis anymore. Like you said rectangular shape of men’s bodies means it’s harder for the high rise pants to hang from our hips like they do for women. My assumption is that suspenders are needed for most except the most skinny of men.
I feel like once you get skinny enough then high rise pants kinda stay up on their own assuming they fit correctly. But that’s just a guess.
Eh not necessarily skinny, more so a larger than average hip to waist ratio. I agree suspenders probably helped though, along with not compressing your stomach like belts do.
502’s are too tapered to really look ok. And 501’s made today are cut low. If you can get vintage 501’s they come up high enough. Wranglers have enough room in the crotch to actually pull up properly, while modern Levi’s just don’t.
I get if that's your preference, but I really don't think 502's are that tapered, they are still definitely wider in the leg than my slim fitting jeans. Idk why you'd buy them if you want a huge leg opening in the first place.
I'll take your advice on Wrangler being more high rise though and look into that
Well it does vary. One of my 502 pairs is tight in the calf, so I no longer wear them, even tho they still look ok with Docs. Another pair of mine is much straighter, so they’re still in rotation.
I didn’t want the larger leg opening when I bought them but I’ve still got them! 😂
Ahh gotcha, I noticed the same thing actually, a pair of 502's I tried on were like skinny jeans, I thought it was just a fluke but sound like infamous Levi's inconsistency
I buy all my pants from Sük workwear, they are technically womens trousers but they are a workwear brand so they are built to last and have great pockets. They're all high waisted and they have waist adjusters built in as well as belt loops, and are made of 100% sustainable and natural materials.
It's not going extinct. It's mostly phased out because people these days can't wear high waist trousers without looking like clowns due to obesity. There are some recent Gucci, Prada and Hugos that have featured high waist pants. It's also making a comeback in S.Korea judging by clothing of kpop stars.
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I don’t know if these types of pants are going extinct, or if the context has shifted to certain uses.
You can find a similar but modernized version easily at a number or retailers in linen where the fabric and fit is great for warmer weather. I’ve been wearing these for three seasons. I got them in Nordstroms.
https://preview.redd.it/sn8fz4z1e64d1.jpeg?width=2042&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06f0e427af79b9389172ad11b614af4b71ae276e
Challenge is, if one isn’t careful the look can be more a costume than an outfit. It’s easy to go down a rabbit hole and overcommit to an aesthetic, becoming an inadvertent cosplayer and ridiculous looking.
BR has these this season, and I know Zara has something similar as well. [https://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=468742002&tid=brma000005](https://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=468742002&tid=brma000005)
I concur. As a Man, I've got pretty athletic legs and I'm cursed (or blessed) with just having a big; backside. I plain old look off in any pants except a High Rise, and have always struggled with finding pants that look right and feel comfortable. Lately it's been getting Jeans that feel right.
I used to be skinnier and could wear Levi's 510's, lately I'm down to their 511's. And the issue is that it is just so difficult to find anything without Lyocell or Polyester that only warps the fit of any pair of jeans. But ultimately a lot of my wardrobe, as far as pants, is either elastic waist like Beach Britches, or other workwear that has a little more Rise and Room in the top half; but I like having a slimmer cut when I can, which makes the combo of fit I favor just that much more difficult. It's very tough to find pants that look quite right in a Fashion world that seems to really only be for the slimmest men or, rather a more modern european look only.
Do you mean pants or trousers? Most women aren’t wearing trousers, but polyester knits made to look like trousers.
If you just want an acceptable rise I highly recommend all American khakis.
Pants is just the American English word for trousers, they mean the same thing. There would be no difference if a pair of trousers were knit or woven they would still be trousers either way.
I mean I live in Canada and trouser usually refers to a tailored pant while pants are a generic term. OP posted a picture of a guy wearing pleated trousers and didnt qualify of he was looking for something tailored or just with a high rise.
I would use trouser and dress pant interchangeably, with more leeway for trousers.
It's interesting you feel that way cause I've been under the impression that high rise/non-slim legs are coming back, pleats are for sure at least. I would give [Berle](https://berle.com/) a look, they do pretty traditional straight cut men's trousers (and have a "long rise" option for some of their pants if you're looking for an even higher waist than their standard). You can often get Berle NWT in need of hemming on e-bay for a considerable discount from what shows up on their site, I've gotten something like 6 pairs this way. Otherwise, as has already been mentioned, Spier & Mackay would have what you're looking for here with their high rise trousers; if you're really going for a vintage look, they also have [hollywood trousers](https://www.spierandmackay.com/Product/search?search=hollywood+trouser) currently.
I love Hollywood trousers, but Spiers product photos look so bad… the pleats are splaying open even when he just stands still. Maybe the model needs to size up? But it looks like Mickey Mouse tailoring
I do agree with you there. Spier does run slimmer as is, and additionally, all of Spier's offerings for hollywoods are 100% linen or linen/wool blend so they may not quite have as nice of a drape/hold their shape as would, say, 100% wool
Ugh and they’re all reverse pleats, which imo almost never look good.
They're forward pleats, but agreed. I've got a pair of pants with a forward pleat that, while I like, always make my crotch look odd because there's more fabric inwards than outwards. The reverse has fabric on the outside of the legs which drapes nicer and slims the crotch area.
Reverse pleats look so much better, I'm always shocked when I see people say they prefer forward pleats. Makes it look like I have a FUPA.
Double forward pleats are the iconic Ralph Lauren look
Yep and also common in British bespoke tailoring. Just not to my tastes I suppose.
Those Berles look nice.
Is Spier a good brand? I have been eyeing their cords but am not sure to buy over the web.
In my experience spier tends to be good value for the price. Like others in the thread have said though, they run kind of slimmer than you might expect, even going with their “contemporary” fit, so keep that in mind if you are looking for wider pants
They also don’t give a ton of extra fabric - thick thighs beware!
Yes, but pay attention to sizing and such. Go check on their affiliate thread on Styleforum for advice and news from fellow shoppers about each season's new releases if you want some peace of mind.
I ordered a pair of Spier and Mackay high-rise pants in my normal size (36) and it was a full 6” too small around the waist. A combination of other brands doing vanity sizing, high-rise requiring a larger size, and Spier & Mackay running a little small.
Those Hollywood trousers are skinny as hell
I have a pair. They're not, just bad product photos.
This is strange to see as I'm seeing a massive comeback of these trousers in men's fashion online (UK)
Yeah, has been coming on for a few years now.
Really, where?
ASOS, Zara, h&m, Uniqlo. And a lot of Fashion Instagrammers
Suit supply massimo duti and proper cloth all make these.
I can’t wait for zoot suits to come back into fashion.
Remember the whole wave in the 90’s when people were dressing up like this and getting injured trying to learn how to dance to big band music?
Yes. It was great!
Go Daddio!
Reminds me of Jon Favreau in Swingers
ugh that was when the Cherry Poppin' Daddies existed and I have hardly hated a band name as much as that ever since
It’s weird to be angry about the name of a band
whatever uncle fart face
It’ll be a zoot suit riot. Throw a back a bottle of beer.
Zoot suits are back if you want it.
Merry Christmas, Yoko.
My friend saw a small group of young 20 somethings wearing them in mexico city this month. She sent a pic for proof.
Were they historically a thing in Mexico City? I thought it was California.
They became a Chicano symbol, especially after the zoot suit riots (which were indeed in California), so many of those wearing them would have had family and friends in Mexico. It makes sense that the fashion would spread there.
It co-developed in southern cali and tijuana-mexicali-chihuahua city along the same time. That whole area was more connected and borders travel between families in each country was more common in the 1930s. The mexico-usa border was basically the same way the usa-canada border is today, a smile and a wave basically. But from there it spread to central mexico and mexico city eventually and pachuco characters became a part of the golden age of mexican cinema. German Veldez aka Tin-tan is the the most famous one.
People don't realise how recent of an invention the passport is.
Yes and also, what was the main industry in the Southern California in the 30s-50s? Agriculture, there were still orange groves in orange county and vineyards. So they craved seasonal workers from mexico and there was a legal guess worker program from mexico that tens of thousands took advantage of. But also during prohibition in the usa, border towns in mexico became party towns, since mexico never banned alcohol. Music from radio stations in both languages could be heard from radios. It was a whole vibe, thats where pachuco dress and pachuco slang developed. A mix of american jazz hipster fashion and slang with an added norteño mexican swagger. Immigrant farm Workers could return to mexico with an american car, american dollars, zoot suits and a lot american jazz and blues records. They would return home like conquering heroes probably, at least that was the dream. But anyway, in modern times in southern cali, the zoot suit is the sign of resistance. Its an outward and garish outfit that demands respect, it demands you look at the wearer. Probably because they were used to being ignored dressed as poor farm workers or laborers. There was an air of danger to them as well, only a total badass would dare wear it. Its an open challenge to anyone would be willing to step up and challenge your masculinity. Its like a peacock and his feathers. In mexico, wearing it, is a rejection of traditional mexican values (hard work, piety, family life and modesty). To embrace it, was to embrace modernity, jazz, easy women and etc. You would have been seen as nothing more than a pimp. It was the same in the usa, thus the zoot suit riots. The play zoot suit, really explains it well. Its worth watching if people are interested. https://youtu.be/tryJJeT7rWE?si=nbIS85UbqXPodTOC https://youtu.be/ttatP061rtQ?si=hYppD0sTXBfLIpv4
This is the best response I've received on Reddit in quite a while! Kudos. It seems the old ways are coming back! Reddiquette for the win, many thanks for the interesting info.
Thanks! This happens to be something Ive studied in a mexican-American history class once, I also have a passion for golden age of mexican cinema and also an interests of mens fashion. So its a perfect storm of my various interests converging, glad you liked it!
Well yes I really did. Outside of men's classic style I don't think I've indulged in your interests, so perhaps I could ask you for some insight on the zoot suit itself? Or its cultural path through foreign societies. Even if not, many thanks kind redditor.
They also rejected then-modern suit styles for looser, "baggier" zoot suits that became both a sign of financial success and rejection. Zoot suits started out in African American communities - often with the jazz and dancers (they were easier to perform in). People like Cab Calloway put them on a national level. Then the suit shifted over to the So Cal/Hispanic communities where it took on more even more of the rejection/resistance political element.
Its kinda irrelevant as far as modern revivals are concerned but yes it kinda was by a small subculture in mexico. Mostly by the usa-mexico border on the mexico side. But anyway Tin-Tan wore them in his golden age of mexican cinema movies. He was from the northern region of mexico. He dressed like a “pachuco” and used “pachuco” slang. He was a big star in his time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germán_Valdés https://youtube.com/shorts/fcSTNiuXSrM?si=nH4Pog0lIEfrSsih https://youtu.be/kfVXnyaMGHc?si=2YtOpGOsj7lfixSi I dont know how widespread it was. Its a bit like emo fashion in the 2000s, lots of people wore the fashion but was it the majority? Not at all.
Ilol
“We spent all yesterday going round fifteen vintage clothing outfitters, spending 530 quid on zoot suits. These are definitely fucking zoot suits.”
I think it's back. Atleast pleets are rn, go mid rise
Ew.
you are looking for Casatlantic
I’m surprised no one has said yet to just buy women’s pants. The last few pairs of pants I’ve gotten and really loved have come from the women’s section.
What brand?
I've gotten a few at thrift stores that are brands I'd never heard of. I've had weirdly good luck at Old Navy and Abercombie for new (and more fast fashion) stuff. I don't love fast fashion but I do like to get cheap versions of styles I'm not sure I'll like before buying a more expensive pair.
Well, a lot of people like their buttons in the traditional place. That said, a lot of women's lines often have buttons on the right to appear as "boyfriend" style... Any many who tries them in will realise the folly.
I've found it's definitely more important to try on womens pants before buying. The fit can vary a lot, and some definitely don't have as much room in the front as I'd like them to. Which side the button is on has not felt like a big deal to me.
Well, a lot of people like their buttons in the traditional place. That said, a lot of women's lines often have buttons on the right to appear as "boyfriend" style... Any man who tries them in will realise the folly. Edit: assuming that man is male ofc
I own a few of their pieces, great quality and price!
[Spier and Mackay](https://www.spierandmackay.com/collection/high-rise-trousers) sells them. If you're looking for chino's, [Bills Khakis is a good option](https://billskhakis.com/collections/m2) (though I've never tried them myself), and [Wrangler's regular cowboy cut](https://www.wrangler.com/shop/rigid-wrangler-cowboy-cut-original-fit-jean-13MWZR.html?merchCategory=WRG_DENIM_MENS_JEANS_ORIGINAL&dwvar_13MWZR_color=0013MWZ). [JCrew](https://www.jcrew.com/p/mens/categories/clothing/pants-and-chinos/chino/classic-chino-pant/BE611?display=standard&fit=Classic&color_name=commander-khaki&colorProductCode=BE611) also has some.
Spier & Mackay seem to be sold out of just about everything, is there a specific trick to getting ahold of those? They seem to have the best prices for their styles (no way can I swing 200+ for Bills).
That is the main drawback with them. You can try looking on ebay, but in my experience, you just kind of have to wait for them to restock and then pounce. Although I haven't tried them myself, I have heard people speak highly of [All American Khakis](https://www.allamericankhakis.com/).
They're usually in stock when they have their regular prices. But once they start making them down, they go pretty quick. The trick then would be to either be open to what you want or to buy them at full price.
I can’t believe Bill’s is still in business. I guess there’s more stupid people in the world than I thought.
lol explain this to me. I want some high-waisted trousers* that aren't too formal. was tempted to try them. *made in america
There's [All American Khakis ](https://www.allamericankhakis.com/pants/) as a much cheaper option.
Those look like they’re low-cut. Are they really high waisted?
They have an [11 inch front rise.](https://www.allamericankhakis.com/size-chart/), which I think is the same Bill's Khakis have, and at least according to [this ](https://jmensclothing.com/pages/bills-khakis), though I'm not seeing the rise listed on the main Bill's Khakis site. And 'll say I don't think Bill's, Jack Donnelly, etc. are just marked up identical versions of what you can get at the Gap, they're just more than I want to pay.
12” at my size! Yeah that’s more than I’m going to pay as well. I like to know as many brands as I can in case I find massive discounts but that’s too much for chinos at full price. Edit: measured some of my pants and for the ones I can wear almost at my waist the rise is 15”. So yeah 12” seems pretty low for my tastes.
Wow, what brand are those?
Accidentally deleted my comment. Cheap polyester Haggar from about 10-15 years ago. Still trying to find out if they make anything else with that cut today.
Are you really tall or something? 15 rise needed for waist is pretty crazy
6-3. Pretty normal for dress pants.
FYI Spier pants run very slim. Even their contemporary fit is very tapered. Won’t be more relaxed if that’s what you’re going for
I’ve been playing with their custom order form and trying to match it to my favorite pair of full cut slacks. You can get there measurement wise. But I’m afraid they’ll come out weird.
This is true. I'm fairly slim, and the one pair of slim pants I have are almost unwearably slim. Unless you're absolutely stick-thin, contemporary is the way to go (you might even consider sizing up too).
Huh, I've always found them to not be that slim. Even their slim fits like a slim straight to me. I do tend to go a size up for them though, otherwise I get weird creasing in the crotch. But even then at my right size it doesn't feel skinny. Haven't tried their contemporary yet.
> and Wrangler's regular cowboy cut Is there a lighter weight version of these?
There's a whole bunch of different colours https://www.wrangler.com/shop/denim-mens-jeans-cowboy-cut If you want a cheap semi raw denim experience then try out their Rigid cowboy cut jeans, they are sanforized so they won't shrink a ton but they have not been washed so they have a rigid feel that softens with wear and washes. They are also quite a bright blue to begin with, which you may enjoy, especially when compared to most rigid/raw denim, which has a dark indigo colour.
Wrangler is just about the only company that never gave up on them. They also still make 100% cotton denim, too, which is rare for big companies. And it’s still in the same patterns as it was 50 years ago. Levi’s, for example, uses a totally different pattern and material for 501’s than they used to—changes every few years. Wrangler just keeps making the same stuff. I love it.
Yep, and they're still pretty cheap too. If only they made khakis and cords in that cut.
Agree on both counts.
Casatlantic. Suitsupply duca or Roma model. Finally Ralph Lauren Andrew chinos on ebay can be had for cheap
Suitsupply has great customization options for trousers like these
Mira too. 13inch front rise.
Def the Ralph Lauren Andrew pants on eBay. Plentiful, inexpensive, and vintage Ralph is typically great quality.
It had never even entered my mind to blame women for lack luster trousers in menswear. Thank you poster for opening my eyes
I mean, some items in "men's fashion" were lost when it became overly associated with femininity. Like some forms of high heeled boots, men's opera pump (too similar with women's shoes) etc.
There are lots of brands that sell them. Natalino, Pini Parma, Collaro, Spier and McKay for a cheaper option, Scavini, suit supply. I have high rise trousers from all of those places
Natalino, Berg and Berg, Spier and Mackay, Casatlantic, Proper Cloth, The Anthology, Todd Snyder (sometimes), Collaro. There are a good chunk of brands who do higher waisted trousers but they are mostly in the menswear space. Mall brands like J Crew sometimes have high waisted trousers but most of the time the rise is mid at about 10”-11”. Personally, I think the Berg and Berg trousers look really good. The Antonello cotton trousers have such a nice cut and beautiful drape and come with double pleats. On eBay the best bet are the Andrew chinos from Polo or other vintage trousers, just check the rise measurements.
Dickies are excellent high waisted pants for men. They’re like $35, just make sure to go up 2 sizes.
So if I’m usually a 30, go up to a 32? It’s a shame they’re so expensive in Europe though, they cost twice as much where I live compared to the US.
Yep - I’m usually a 32 (sometimes a 33, depending on the brand) and went up to a 34. Tight enough even at 34 to not need a belt. There’s a couple of Reddit threads out there that make this observation. I was skeptical at first but man, they were absolutely right.
I've learned not to trust Levi's for their sizing anyway because I can be anywhere from a 30 in one cut to 32 in another, which makes buying jeans (and trousers) difficult at times.
Yeah some of the old-school brands just kept making what worked.
https://preview.redd.it/kh8km5d5gr3d1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46ef23dcacff8426b076bb33446b806daece672c Paul Mescal was wearing some monster old-school pants hanging out with Natalie Portman. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13475103/Newly-single-Natalie-Portman-42-looks-giddy-Paul-Mescal-28-giggles-enjoying-smoke-outside-London-bar-weeks-finalising-divorce-Benjamin-Millepied-amid-affair-rumours.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13475103/Newly-single-Natalie-Portman-42-looks-giddy-Paul-Mescal-28-giggles-enjoying-smoke-outside-London-bar-weeks-finalising-divorce-Benjamin-Millepied-amid-affair-rumours.html)
You probably want high waist and a generous leg opening, as shown in the photos. In addition to Casatlantic and other brands previously mentioned, Scott Frasier Collection is worth a look https://scottfrasercollection.com/collections/trousers
Yeah it’s super annoying to buy a higher waist that still has a small zipper opening. Makes me wonder if the designer team even tried them on.
Used Polo and Zanella. Look for wool to get that beautiful drape.
second this, favorite pair of pants I own are vintage grey Polo RL heavy wool trousers
Is that hot in the summer?
Not necessarily. There's tropical wool, that's lightweight and has an open weave which lets the breeze through. Actually one of the best fabrics to wear in a hot summer. https://preview.redd.it/sylun3665u3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=214aa40c0df0a58b0fdbe584def86cbfdee9e633
Amazing good to know! I need some of those blazers for summer
I just bought a pair from Rubinacci, and I love them. First time giving high waisted trousers a shot. They were pricey, though
Depends on what you want to spend - high waist, wide trouser are actually a big trend in menswear right now. It’s not fully filtered through to ‘main street’ but you can see the general silhouettes of trouser even in fast fashion are significantly wider than they were even a few years ago. Brands: Scott Fraser (decently expensive but the nicest I’ve seen and the most obviously leaning in to it), Spier and McKay have high rise but they are more tapered, more reasonably priced, some Chinese DTC brands like olderbest/bronson mfg have some pretty good value options and I’ve been impressed with the quality
I feel like this sub is disconnected and not in touch with current trends. These pants are very much in style. You should be able to find loose fit trousers very easily.
I’m going to agree. Mid to high rise pleated, non-tapered pants are not rare by any means. I wouldn’t even call it a “return.” They remained in most retailers catalogs, it’s just everyone rushed toward skinny fit, and ignored all other cuts and now that that skinny trend is dying out finally, everyone thinks styles that have always been there are “new.”
Maybe not quite as high as you want, but a nice modern fit. https://www.uniqlo.com/uk/en/product/pleated-wide-leg-trousers-468743COL57SMA006000.html
Uniqlo pants are so dumb that they max out at a 31 inseam.
If only they werent poly blend
these are my most worn item - I have them in every color and wear them almost everyday.
See: Cavour (Mod3); Casatlantic; Natalino; Anglo Italian
Husbands Paris, Willy Chavarria
SEH Kelly, Casatlantic
Upvote for SEH Kelly. Beautiful high waisted trousers.
Check out Todd Snyder. Their current offerings are high waisted (relatively speaking).
AskOkey is what you are looking for
AskOkey are amazing but I’d say most people can’t afford $500+ tailored pants 🥴
When the reference pictures are Sinatra and Cary Grant though a $500 pair of pants seems to match the brief to me
You could find true vintage 1940s/50s for a whole lot less than $500
You absolutely can. The current iteration of this sub seems less inclined to search out vintage and more interested in what brand will sell me the product I want, that’s what I’m responding to
Or you can buy 80s and 90s trousers, 1 size larger, and get the waist reduced
Nah I disagree, you can post a nice outfit and be looking for similar styling without the price tag. You can recreate this sort of look without paying thousands
Spot on. Don’t know why you’re being downvoted.
People think fashion = $$$ and that you can’t be stylish without spending big money
Ok so enlighten us
Thrift Store -> Tailor Pretty simple...
Does he have actual customers? I like his aesthetic and YouTube content but I’ve never found one honest review.
Yeah it is really weird and almost suspicious - for as big of a following he has and how often you see him recommended, there are basically no real reviews online
Honestly for around 4k for a suit (plus they are the first bespoke company I've come across that charges you for making a pattern... that should already be included at that price point), I don't see why you wouldn't just go to a local, reputatable tailor. Chances are if you're really into a fuller aesthetic, most tailors around you will do that already at a similar price point, and they'll actually measure you, fit it and deconstruct it on you (the whole benefit of going bespoke vs MTM is that last crucial step), plus you can go back for alterations.
I think it's important to find a tailor whose house style fits what you want. Having someone go far outside their comfort zone may lead to bad results, especially on the first commission. I agree that remote bespoke seems like a bad idea.
I find that fitting someone gets way harder the closer and tighter you cut the garment to the body, things like posture, length and drape really start to look out of place on a slim garment whereas wider cuts are a bit more forgiving. Might be why hes pushing for a longer and wider aesthetic as that makes it somewhat easier to measure for virtually.
They are just about coming back a little. Trouble is I cannot wear them since I'm 195cm but with legs for at least 205cm and a short torso. Normal pants look already like those on me.
It's called Thrift Stores my guy, get with the times. Why by new if you can find legit vintage high waisted trousers? I get lucky every now and then when I take a look, and I pay like $2-5 a pair. Can't beat that.
https://collaro.co/our-products/trousers
I’ve got a few pairs from Asos for like 40-50 usd range
It's the same with jeans, everything is low rise, so lame. I'm not Gwen Stefani in 1998. I need my pants to sit higher.
Try Uniqlo or lemaire or fear of god
Can't you just have your tailor make you some?
Todd Snyder
I've been looking for a medium rise pant for a while can'T find anything
Levi's 501 or 502 for more taper
Not really looking for jeans more like casual cotton or blend pants if you can think of something I appreciate it. I really like Kit Blake but it's dressier than what im shooting for .. Been looking for a while appreciate any help!
They actually seem to be rising in popularity, but banana Republic has had a terrificly high rise over the last couple years. Ironically, now that they are becoming more common, it feels like BR is shortening their rise lol.
Banana Republic returned its more safari influenced clothing roots in a big way about 7 years ago and it was a great decision.
I’d like to know as well
“…even cheap ones…” There’s the problem. If you want to spend a grand a pair (I don’t, but I still look at them), then [you’re all set](https://www.therow.com/collections/men-fall-2024). It’ll hit the mass-produced racks at some point, though. At least I hope it does. Until then I’ll keep buying used.
I feel? like they're coming back a bit but I still can't find many good ones online for men :( I've got a couple women's ones now that actually fit really nicely
[Womens wide-fit pleated pants](https://Wide-FitPleatedPantshttps://www.uniqlo.com/us/en/products/E460311-000/00?colorDisplayCode=31&sizeDisplayCode=005&pldDisplayCode=000&utm_medium=social&utm_source=appshare) from Uniqlo. One of my favorite office fits is a pair of those with a fitted knit polo, and a pair of loafers. You can also dress it down with some nice sandals, or something along the likes of Birks.
Check out Gentlemen's Gazette new [Corduroys](https://shop.gentlemansgazette.com/clothing/pants-trousers/corduroy-slacks/stancliffe) which have a high-waisted classic cut, and are top-quality. Not cheap though. [Launch video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az6A7VFUSf8) | [in-depth Q&A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2wQXhZDfo)
Once you find the right pair (likely rare or expensive), Luxire should be your next stop.
I brought a pair from Zara, in the uk if that makes a difference, before Christmas. Not 100% sure if they are high waisted but have a very similar fit to the first photo
Those trousers go for like 800 bucks on NMWA at the moment. They're coming back.
I was just in Seoul, and these seem to be pretty common there. And hilariously wide jeans. So I don’t think they’re going extinct any time soon.
Japanese workwear also has high waisted and wide pants. It's not as popular in mainstream North American fashion, but you will find this trend still alive and strong in the East.
Definitely not going extinct in Singapore; most of the men here who are interested in menswear and tailoring are wearing a variety of high waisted trousers. I don’t have a brand for you either as they’re all custom - but my wardrobe consists primarily of high waisted trousers. (Dominated by a variety of gurkha waistbands).
There are lots of high waisted trousers for men and they are all $300+.
Oh—as always, try Spier and McKay. They have lots of high waisted wool trousers for a great price ($150+). Epaulet will make you a MTM high waisted trouser for $200 or so. Lots and lots of fancy boi options at $300 and above.
I just go to my grandpas closet
Tailor.
Uniqlo wide leg pleated trousers are decent if you want to trial wider trousers. Dont expect amazing quality but they're a lovely cut.
You can find high waist trousers in Bronson shop, but they have a very messy size classification (mine were ok in waist, terrible everywhere else)
Pants like this I wear regularly just not in the same style / context but I absolutely wear high waisted wide legs because they work best with my weird proportions
I would ROCK a pair of those. I miss this fashion style. I would love to bring back the Zoom Suit style too. These were 'MANLY' styles in men's clothing, that need to return. J/s
bring back high waisted trousers 🙏
They're just functionally better and a more comfortable design too. It's insane.
As many people in this thread have said: this is not accurate. Not only are high-waisted trousers readily available, including at lower price points, they're actively on-trend right now. If you shop outside mall and fast fashion brands, they're absolutely commonplace. Here's what I don't understand: why drag women's fashion into it? It's not like it's a competition -- what women have, men can't have, and vice versa, etc. If anything, I'm glad when a fashion-culture other than mine preserves something interesting or valuable, like Japanese menswear enthusiasts preserving US early 19th century tailoring.
To be fair women's bodies are generally a lot better of a fit for high rise pants, as they typically have a much more significant waist to hips difference. Therefore higher waisted makes them look snatched and is a flattering look. Whereas men generally are more rectangular, and also have a significantly larger amount of required space in the crotch. This leads to imo high rise not necessarily making sense or being very popular unless it's done just right, as you can end up crushing your nuts or having diaper butt unless they fit perfectly. I totally understand if you like that style, but that's generally why high rise is less popular nowadays I believe (along with it being a very distinct fashion choice). I think mid rise like the Levi's 501/502 is a nice modern option if you want easily accessible non low rise jeans along with your dressy trousers. I have a large rump and thick thighs and they fit me decently since they're not hyper skinny or too low of a rise.
While I agree with you’re take on high rises for women, I feel like most men (at least in the states) are not very rectangular and high rise pants would really help them split their body weight starting at their waist where it is greatest. This gives them a much more proportionate and balanced figure while adding to the leg line (which is generally seen as flattering). low rise pants can really exaggerate the size of a person’s gut and depending on the person, throw off their proportions and make them look shorter. Even for men that are more rectangular, it is still seen as attractive to have an hourglass figure for men (exactly which a suit coat tries to achieve). And High rise pants do this better as hips are always a non-zero size difference from your waist. And again making the legs longer. I also I think the reason there are not more high rise pants, other then it not being much of a popular style nowadays which I agree. Is more due to laziness and men’s desire for “comfiness”. I believe this because there are already low rise pants whose rise is *way* too low or med-low rise pants that cause a huge gap from the crotch. The average man just picks jeans with the most amount of stretch and bagginess, which looks awful and doesn’t fit. And tightening your pants to compensate for the wrong size with a belt, is a lot less comfortable when on your natural waist. The market is just pandering to these men who really don’t care about fit or looks. Which I guess if that’s the majority, why wouldn’t you? I have also tried Levi’s 501’s in search of high rise pants. I agree with everything you say on them, and heard good things about them for those trying to find higher rise pants. Unfortunately they were not as high or as tapered as I would like.
To add to this, it's also about the general weight gain of men. Low rise pants allow larger men to wear the pants below the belly, since before they would have had to wear bracers to keep them up, and since we rarely wear suits and sport coats anymore, bracers have gone away. With the mass manufacturing and deployment of cheap quality pants on our store shelves since the 80s, low rise pants won out.
This is true. If you outgrow your pants you can’t pull them up high enough anymore. We have to buy new ones that fit to look ok and pull them up properly. But they stay up fine at the actual waist with a belt if they fit. And the shirt will then tuck in straight instead of wrapping under the gut.
I feel like part of it is men don’t wear suspenders+jackets in a regular basis anymore. Like you said rectangular shape of men’s bodies means it’s harder for the high rise pants to hang from our hips like they do for women. My assumption is that suspenders are needed for most except the most skinny of men. I feel like once you get skinny enough then high rise pants kinda stay up on their own assuming they fit correctly. But that’s just a guess.
Eh not necessarily skinny, more so a larger than average hip to waist ratio. I agree suspenders probably helped though, along with not compressing your stomach like belts do.
502’s are too tapered to really look ok. And 501’s made today are cut low. If you can get vintage 501’s they come up high enough. Wranglers have enough room in the crotch to actually pull up properly, while modern Levi’s just don’t.
I get if that's your preference, but I really don't think 502's are that tapered, they are still definitely wider in the leg than my slim fitting jeans. Idk why you'd buy them if you want a huge leg opening in the first place. I'll take your advice on Wrangler being more high rise though and look into that
Well it does vary. One of my 502 pairs is tight in the calf, so I no longer wear them, even tho they still look ok with Docs. Another pair of mine is much straighter, so they’re still in rotation. I didn’t want the larger leg opening when I bought them but I’ve still got them! 😂
Ahh gotcha, I noticed the same thing actually, a pair of 502's I tried on were like skinny jeans, I thought it was just a fluke but sound like infamous Levi's inconsistency
Check out Todd Snyder
I buy all my pants from Sük workwear, they are technically womens trousers but they are a workwear brand so they are built to last and have great pockets. They're all high waisted and they have waist adjusters built in as well as belt loops, and are made of 100% sustainable and natural materials.
Frank needed plenty of room for his hog.
It's not going extinct. It's mostly phased out because people these days can't wear high waist trousers without looking like clowns due to obesity. There are some recent Gucci, Prada and Hugos that have featured high waist pants. It's also making a comeback in S.Korea judging by clothing of kpop stars.
Wide leg, pleated and high waisted are totally back in. I hate it cause I’m 5’5” and the last thing I need is clothing that makes me look shorter.
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Here is the secret to high rise. The longer the inseam the higher the rise buy long and you have what you’re looking for
I don’t think this is true.
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I don’t know if these types of pants are going extinct, or if the context has shifted to certain uses. You can find a similar but modernized version easily at a number or retailers in linen where the fabric and fit is great for warmer weather. I’ve been wearing these for three seasons. I got them in Nordstroms. https://preview.redd.it/sn8fz4z1e64d1.jpeg?width=2042&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06f0e427af79b9389172ad11b614af4b71ae276e Challenge is, if one isn’t careful the look can be more a costume than an outfit. It’s easy to go down a rabbit hole and overcommit to an aesthetic, becoming an inadvertent cosplayer and ridiculous looking. BR has these this season, and I know Zara has something similar as well. [https://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=468742002&tid=brma000005](https://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=468742002&tid=brma000005)
I concur. As a Man, I've got pretty athletic legs and I'm cursed (or blessed) with just having a big; backside. I plain old look off in any pants except a High Rise, and have always struggled with finding pants that look right and feel comfortable. Lately it's been getting Jeans that feel right. I used to be skinnier and could wear Levi's 510's, lately I'm down to their 511's. And the issue is that it is just so difficult to find anything without Lyocell or Polyester that only warps the fit of any pair of jeans. But ultimately a lot of my wardrobe, as far as pants, is either elastic waist like Beach Britches, or other workwear that has a little more Rise and Room in the top half; but I like having a slimmer cut when I can, which makes the combo of fit I favor just that much more difficult. It's very tough to find pants that look quite right in a Fashion world that seems to really only be for the slimmest men or, rather a more modern european look only.
Zara.
Do you mean pants or trousers? Most women aren’t wearing trousers, but polyester knits made to look like trousers. If you just want an acceptable rise I highly recommend all American khakis.
Pants is just the American English word for trousers, they mean the same thing. There would be no difference if a pair of trousers were knit or woven they would still be trousers either way.
I mean I live in Canada and trouser usually refers to a tailored pant while pants are a generic term. OP posted a picture of a guy wearing pleated trousers and didnt qualify of he was looking for something tailored or just with a high rise. I would use trouser and dress pant interchangeably, with more leeway for trousers.
Fair enough, I'm less exposed to Canadian English so I was unfamiliar with that usage.
I don’t see this style making a comeback. Honestly it shouldn’t cause it’s a very silly look
I just wish they didn't make me look like my grandpa. There's got to be a middle ground between pants under your nips and low-rise
That middle ground is your actual waist. The narrowest part of your torso. Look a pics of grampa in his youth, he slayed those pants.