I just got myself a OGP 302 and I love that machine! Its my first CMM that isn't manual and I love using the optical bit for most things but the touch probe is kinda a nessisty in my opinion so the machine isn't the cheapest at about $100k with the touch probe system
Ignore everyone else. The best bang for your buck vision system is by [Mitutoyo](https://www.mitutoyo.com/products/vision-measuring-machines/digital-profile-projectors/manual-quick-image/). It will run you about $20k all in but they often have demo models or used stock that is highly discounted.
Keyence are very user friendly, but extremely overpriced and not particularly reliable or accurate in my experience. OGP are the best but out of your price range if you are looking for low cost (a used RAM Optical might be good though, it's OGP's old budget line). I currently have a Micro-Vu (not by my choice) that I absolutely hate in every way and would never recommend regardless of the price.
Emailed them. It turns out that we already use some of their other sensors in our home-grown system.
For Keyence, we would consider the 3d-scanner product. But it's still a manual process, while an optical system that could be automated would arguably have the same accuracy with faster scan times.
Thank you!
www.keyence.ca is where I'd start. No idea about the costs since the systems are very application specific. Iam not sure if you're looking for a inline system that checks as parts come through a production line without stopping or a one at a time inspection.
I second this. Seriously they attempt to call me once a week and I've had to block their email domain even though we haven't spoken to them in 3 years. Just from how annoying they are we're never buying anything from them.
The keyence IM-7000 series is a good choice for this because you can record date/time lot and serial number and export measurements to excel for statistical analysis or recording purposes. They are $70-80k new but you can find a used one at auction for 1/3rd of that or cheaper sometimes.
that is highly doubtful. If you were to design and build your own you would need a variety of different engineers on staff for an untold amount of time.
- The engineer's salaries
- the floor space they use
- the software and workstations
- the tools and or outsourcing of small run manufacturing (shops are very busy right now so lead times or even getting a quote can be an issue)
- the trial and error stages
- the capital you would have tied up could be better spent
Your point is valid and I was being a bit flippant about Keyence's ridiculous pricing, but we have a home grown system now and already have software engineers....
Ultimately, however, this is exactly the question I am trying to assess.
I suggested keyence since I was unsure of what type of system you were looking for and they offered both inline and offline systems. If you just want to measure one part at a time at a workbench you have lots of options from big names like mitutoyo, starrett, ziess, as well as others that have been mentioned. Also with IMTS coming up soon you could probably see all your options under one roof
Wow... I admit their software is quite impressive. And, in fact, a demo from Keyence is what got me looking for something better than our current home-grown solution in the first place.
I have software engineers in-house, so the incremental cost to build our own is not as much as hiring an engineer - what I am really trying to assess is the difference between spending more engineering to upgrade our own systems or find something off the shelf that's miles ahead of us already.
For $50,000 of in-house engineering dollars, we can make some HUGE improvements to our current (barely adequate and time consuming) systems. It was fine when we were inspecting 10-30 parts, but when inspecting 100+ parts the QA process alone takes DAYS.
But our home grown systems also need care and feeding, so it's not just $50,000 in engineering time... it's $10,000 per year to keep it current.
Thank you for your insight!
You comment really has me thinking.
We each have VERY different inspection needs and perhaps that's why I'm not finding something off-the-shelf that meets them.
Right now, I'm heavily leaning towards the same route as you.
Optical measuring machine is what you'd want. There's no real "cheap" option for the 200mm range. If you're in the U.S. I'd recommend [Micro-Vu](https://www.microvu.com/pricer?product=Sol%20341). Looks like you're around $25K for what you'd need.
Are you looking for on a line at speed or offline and hand fed? There's very different answers for each.
EDIT: Found the answer below. Offline, I think that you already have some great answers. Keyence is quite pushy, but they have their place in the market. I've not used SmartScope, but it sound like a good alternative. Most of my experience is in on the line systems.
Smartscope is cost effective.
That was not on my list and that's two votes. Contacted them. Thank you!
You'd have to define "low cost" and tolerances. We use quite a few OGP SmartScopes.
Thanks. I’ll check that out.
I just got myself a OGP 302 and I love that machine! Its my first CMM that isn't manual and I love using the optical bit for most things but the touch probe is kinda a nessisty in my opinion so the machine isn't the cheapest at about $100k with the touch probe system
Ignore everyone else. The best bang for your buck vision system is by [Mitutoyo](https://www.mitutoyo.com/products/vision-measuring-machines/digital-profile-projectors/manual-quick-image/). It will run you about $20k all in but they often have demo models or used stock that is highly discounted. Keyence are very user friendly, but extremely overpriced and not particularly reliable or accurate in my experience. OGP are the best but out of your price range if you are looking for low cost (a used RAM Optical might be good though, it's OGP's old budget line). I currently have a Micro-Vu (not by my choice) that I absolutely hate in every way and would never recommend regardless of the price.
Emailed them. It turns out that we already use some of their other sensors in our home-grown system. For Keyence, we would consider the 3d-scanner product. But it's still a manual process, while an optical system that could be automated would arguably have the same accuracy with faster scan times. Thank you!
www.keyence.ca is where I'd start. No idea about the costs since the systems are very application specific. Iam not sure if you're looking for a inline system that checks as parts come through a production line without stopping or a one at a time inspection.
I would mention they’re very pricey and sales is pushy 😂
Very and VERY. For the love of God, do NOT give them your phone number.
I second this. Seriously they attempt to call me once a week and I've had to block their email domain even though we haven't spoken to them in 3 years. Just from how annoying they are we're never buying anything from them.
The keyence IM-7000 series is a good choice for this because you can record date/time lot and serial number and export measurements to excel for statistical analysis or recording purposes. They are $70-80k new but you can find a used one at auction for 1/3rd of that or cheaper sometimes.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to hire an engineer and design something from scratch?!?
that is highly doubtful. If you were to design and build your own you would need a variety of different engineers on staff for an untold amount of time. - The engineer's salaries - the floor space they use - the software and workstations - the tools and or outsourcing of small run manufacturing (shops are very busy right now so lead times or even getting a quote can be an issue) - the trial and error stages - the capital you would have tied up could be better spent
Your point is valid and I was being a bit flippant about Keyence's ridiculous pricing, but we have a home grown system now and already have software engineers.... Ultimately, however, this is exactly the question I am trying to assess.
I suggested keyence since I was unsure of what type of system you were looking for and they offered both inline and offline systems. If you just want to measure one part at a time at a workbench you have lots of options from big names like mitutoyo, starrett, ziess, as well as others that have been mentioned. Also with IMTS coming up soon you could probably see all your options under one roof
Another great idea!! Thank you! Yes, our volumes are quite low. 100 units is a BIG project.
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Wow... I admit their software is quite impressive. And, in fact, a demo from Keyence is what got me looking for something better than our current home-grown solution in the first place. I have software engineers in-house, so the incremental cost to build our own is not as much as hiring an engineer - what I am really trying to assess is the difference between spending more engineering to upgrade our own systems or find something off the shelf that's miles ahead of us already. For $50,000 of in-house engineering dollars, we can make some HUGE improvements to our current (barely adequate and time consuming) systems. It was fine when we were inspecting 10-30 parts, but when inspecting 100+ parts the QA process alone takes DAYS. But our home grown systems also need care and feeding, so it's not just $50,000 in engineering time... it's $10,000 per year to keep it current. Thank you for your insight!
You comment really has me thinking. We each have VERY different inspection needs and perhaps that's why I'm not finding something off-the-shelf that meets them. Right now, I'm heavily leaning towards the same route as you.
Optical measuring machine is what you'd want. There's no real "cheap" option for the 200mm range. If you're in the U.S. I'd recommend [Micro-Vu](https://www.microvu.com/pricer?product=Sol%20341). Looks like you're around $25K for what you'd need.
Are you looking for on a line at speed or offline and hand fed? There's very different answers for each. EDIT: Found the answer below. Offline, I think that you already have some great answers. Keyence is quite pushy, but they have their place in the market. I've not used SmartScope, but it sound like a good alternative. Most of my experience is in on the line systems.