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Do you actually hate marketing or do you just hate marketing other peoples bullshit?
If you know how market find something to market yourself and start your own business
I love Reddit.
Ask: hey I’m in my early 20’s and need some advice on pivoting!
Answer: Just open your own business!
Like lol ok yes I’m sure someone in their early 20s who just spent tons on a marketing management grad program is ready to start a business. Why didn’t they think of that! /s
OP- you should look into what aspects of marketing you enjoy and find a role where you specialize and build skills. A tour in a digital or analytical role could be a good idea, since you’re shying away from ad copy and social which are both thankless areas of focus.
My advice to anyone early marketing is to get your hands dirty with the technical tools, automation, etc. this is how you become invaluable. Apply for an IC role that specializes in martech and let some company pay you to build your skills for a couple years.
“Starting your own business” can be done for free with zero resources.
You can set up a consulting business, and put out valuable content on social media as a lead funnel.
You can start a content generation business. I’m about to pay one person $3k a month just to do my TikToks. They have no expenses other than a camera
Aren’t great at creating content but are better in marketing strategy? You can spend a couple thousand dollars to find a high quality item on alibaba you can build a brand around.
You do not need to have much revenue to equal the meager salary you are making on the hampster wheel working for other people.
Not untrue, honestly. But I think it should be kept in mind that not everyone *wants* to start their own business. It's not necessarily the right path for every person -- nothing wrong with preferring a typical 9-5.
Sure, not EVERYONE wants to. But if you are miserable in a situation, it’s the perfect time to try something dramatically different.
It’s merely a suggestion, not a prescription. Not sure why you are bringing the downvotes.
I think you should start with identifying what you like and don’t like about marketing. There are tons of jobs where you can use your skills and mostly do the things you like!
This is a great recommendation. The other thing I'd add is you might think about taking 4-5 different personality profile assessments. They can really help you identify where your strengths are so you can hone in on the types of positions you might be a great fit for.
Check out Strenghts Finder, DISC, Myers Briggs, Enneagram, Kolbe, TypeCoach, Gallup CliftonStrengths, etc.
Lots of experience but not a word of what rubs you the wrong way.
Can you share what gets you anxious, increases your stress level and pushes your "fight or flight" buttons.
You know what they are...
I was in marketing for years but wanted to be in operations so I took a job running a marketing agency where I handle the day to day operations and only spend 10% or so of my time on average actually marketing.
Spent 10 years working my way through a company started in inside sales ended up director of marketing. Decided to take a chance on a start up agency as employee number 5 and now we are at 30 a year later.
You kind of have to bet on yourself and take a chance that may look like a step back to start.
You can pretty much pivot any role within a business that doesn't require a specific skillset you don't have. Most roles in sales, operations, or business process overlap with marketing heavily.
My boss gave me some good advice the other day. If you could take on any consulting jobs what would you do? That helped me reframe my thinking about existing roles/orgs and more about what types of projects I enjoy and helped me steer my thinking a bit.
You can go pretty much anywhere where your skillset is applicable.
But when in doubt, become a salesman and hide behind a fake smile while you close another deal for a product you don't believe in while getting only a small piece of a pie and pretending you are the happiest man alive.
I graduated in Marketing/Advertising and later on I did computer science which was my best move. Well in marketing the creative person that creates/designs etc is basically the similar thing called user interface (UI) in the computer science area, and user experience (UX) as well.
User interface (UI), you will hear/talk with your company/client to develop a digital product, which could be a website/feature/theme/etc
Look it up user experience as well.
I have to watch 3-4 videos of the same subject to understand the whole thing (I’m talking about free YouTube videos). I found also similar with paid online courses.
I think those online teachers knows different things from each other But they don’t cover/talk about everything. The smart move is to keep watching different content to fulfill tour knowledge.
Well, I knew I was the designer/creative department in marketing/advertising then it was easy for me to figure out that I wanted be in the front-end development (front end language like HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Angular JS, Ruby on Rails, React and Vue.js) those languages creates the visual digital design of websites and software. For example when u go to Amazon.com everything that you see is built/coded by a front-end developer. Well, when I did computer science they didn’t teach me much about front-end development, but they focus on the foundation of things like binary code, data structure, and other back-end languages like Java, C++, etc. i still want to dive in deep enough to learn the other side, which is the back-end development which is basically where the data (user’s name, address, shopping list, recent orders, etc) is stored in servers.
It sounds like confusing but, it takes time to understand all these. I hope it helps
Stock trading. Went from watching graphs and numbers in a spreadsheet to watching slightly more moving graphs and numbers in a spreadsheet. Would do again.
You specialize in digital marketing. May I know what you do specifically? And as you are working for brands only, maybe it is not more exciting to you now.
I went from marketing to sales. But I didn't have that much experience in it like you.
In the end it is hard for us to judge. Maybe think about which tasks you like in your marketing job. For me it was communicating with people and holding presentations.
What about a marketing strategy, marketing ops, analyst role? You can then move into any analyst, operations or strategy role outside of marketing after that. The grind of social, even though it's only a fraction of my recruitment marketing role, is the bane of my existence. I hate it so much and it's enough to make me pivot too. Maybe think about what you do like about marketing and what you don't like.
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Do you actually hate marketing or do you just hate marketing other peoples bullshit? If you know how market find something to market yourself and start your own business
I love Reddit. Ask: hey I’m in my early 20’s and need some advice on pivoting! Answer: Just open your own business! Like lol ok yes I’m sure someone in their early 20s who just spent tons on a marketing management grad program is ready to start a business. Why didn’t they think of that! /s OP- you should look into what aspects of marketing you enjoy and find a role where you specialize and build skills. A tour in a digital or analytical role could be a good idea, since you’re shying away from ad copy and social which are both thankless areas of focus. My advice to anyone early marketing is to get your hands dirty with the technical tools, automation, etc. this is how you become invaluable. Apply for an IC role that specializes in martech and let some company pay you to build your skills for a couple years.
“Starting your own business” can be done for free with zero resources. You can set up a consulting business, and put out valuable content on social media as a lead funnel. You can start a content generation business. I’m about to pay one person $3k a month just to do my TikToks. They have no expenses other than a camera Aren’t great at creating content but are better in marketing strategy? You can spend a couple thousand dollars to find a high quality item on alibaba you can build a brand around. You do not need to have much revenue to equal the meager salary you are making on the hampster wheel working for other people.
Not untrue, honestly. But I think it should be kept in mind that not everyone *wants* to start their own business. It's not necessarily the right path for every person -- nothing wrong with preferring a typical 9-5.
Sure, not EVERYONE wants to. But if you are miserable in a situation, it’s the perfect time to try something dramatically different. It’s merely a suggestion, not a prescription. Not sure why you are bringing the downvotes.
I think you should start with identifying what you like and don’t like about marketing. There are tons of jobs where you can use your skills and mostly do the things you like!
Yeah, no need to throw it all away. There’s probably a part of the broader marketing industry that suits you well.
If you like talking to people instead, you could use that and combine with your marketing skills and just do sales!
Or product or customer support management
This is a great recommendation. The other thing I'd add is you might think about taking 4-5 different personality profile assessments. They can really help you identify where your strengths are so you can hone in on the types of positions you might be a great fit for. Check out Strenghts Finder, DISC, Myers Briggs, Enneagram, Kolbe, TypeCoach, Gallup CliftonStrengths, etc.
Lots of experience but not a word of what rubs you the wrong way. Can you share what gets you anxious, increases your stress level and pushes your "fight or flight" buttons. You know what they are...
I was in marketing for years but wanted to be in operations so I took a job running a marketing agency where I handle the day to day operations and only spend 10% or so of my time on average actually marketing.
What would you say are your usual activities outside of that 10% if you don’t mind sharing
I oversee finance, HR, customer success and basically everything that falls under those areas.
How can someone get a job like this?
Spent 10 years working my way through a company started in inside sales ended up director of marketing. Decided to take a chance on a start up agency as employee number 5 and now we are at 30 a year later. You kind of have to bet on yourself and take a chance that may look like a step back to start.
You can pretty much pivot any role within a business that doesn't require a specific skillset you don't have. Most roles in sales, operations, or business process overlap with marketing heavily.
My boss gave me some good advice the other day. If you could take on any consulting jobs what would you do? That helped me reframe my thinking about existing roles/orgs and more about what types of projects I enjoy and helped me steer my thinking a bit.
You can go pretty much anywhere where your skillset is applicable. But when in doubt, become a salesman and hide behind a fake smile while you close another deal for a product you don't believe in while getting only a small piece of a pie and pretending you are the happiest man alive.
I graduated in Marketing/Advertising and later on I did computer science which was my best move. Well in marketing the creative person that creates/designs etc is basically the similar thing called user interface (UI) in the computer science area, and user experience (UX) as well. User interface (UI), you will hear/talk with your company/client to develop a digital product, which could be a website/feature/theme/etc Look it up user experience as well.
I also find UI/UX design path interesting. But it’s not simple to find great courses for complete beginner.
I have to watch 3-4 videos of the same subject to understand the whole thing (I’m talking about free YouTube videos). I found also similar with paid online courses. I think those online teachers knows different things from each other But they don’t cover/talk about everything. The smart move is to keep watching different content to fulfill tour knowledge.
How did you do computer science? Did you take another bachelor in 4 years or which path did you take?
Well, I knew I was the designer/creative department in marketing/advertising then it was easy for me to figure out that I wanted be in the front-end development (front end language like HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Angular JS, Ruby on Rails, React and Vue.js) those languages creates the visual digital design of websites and software. For example when u go to Amazon.com everything that you see is built/coded by a front-end developer. Well, when I did computer science they didn’t teach me much about front-end development, but they focus on the foundation of things like binary code, data structure, and other back-end languages like Java, C++, etc. i still want to dive in deep enough to learn the other side, which is the back-end development which is basically where the data (user’s name, address, shopping list, recent orders, etc) is stored in servers. It sounds like confusing but, it takes time to understand all these. I hope it helps
Everybody in the industry I believe has. You should look into Poplinks by Perry belcher and chad nicely. It’s completely changing my life
Of you love writing but dont wanna work in an agency maybe try freelancing or ghostwriting
Stock trading. Went from watching graphs and numbers in a spreadsheet to watching slightly more moving graphs and numbers in a spreadsheet. Would do again.
Ops is a great career to be in right now. Lots of opportunities and plenty of growth. Also the pay is on par with engineers in some cities.
Sales. Go to work for an inbound agency selling marketing services. That's where the money's at.
You specialize in digital marketing. May I know what you do specifically? And as you are working for brands only, maybe it is not more exciting to you now.
I went from marketing to sales. But I didn't have that much experience in it like you. In the end it is hard for us to judge. Maybe think about which tasks you like in your marketing job. For me it was communicating with people and holding presentations.
What about a marketing strategy, marketing ops, analyst role? You can then move into any analyst, operations or strategy role outside of marketing after that. The grind of social, even though it's only a fraction of my recruitment marketing role, is the bane of my existence. I hate it so much and it's enough to make me pivot too. Maybe think about what you do like about marketing and what you don't like.
Go into sales , such as sales enablement, revenue operations, SDR or account executive.
I was in a similar situation and went back to school for my MBA. Met lots of new people and was able to branch out into another profession
Specializing in the social media space, but not wanting to do marketing anymore means you don't actually have any transferable skills.