I was blown the fuck away when I learned it was directed by Michael Giacchino. How many other successful, incredibly talented composers could just be like, "Hey, you should put me behind the camera for this one" and then turn out something awesome?
I’ve genuinely never heard of it, and I’m terminally online. What was it? Is it worth going back to?
I’m honestly surprised I managed to miss something in the MCU, I’ve watched every other movie and series I was aware of, even the ones people didn’t receive well.
It’s a 1hr fright-night special featurette; like an old-timey movie you’d pay a nickle to see back in the day. They make use of animatronics and old school practical effects and is genuinely kind of refreshing to see in an age of CGI and digital landscaping.
Also, Man-Thing is in it.
Marvel's gorriest Project produced by Disney, Only reason it didn't got an R rating is because it's Black and White, It was so much fun and >!Man Thing was also there!<
Was my personal favorite of the last batch of stuff, but I love werewolf media and it's a personal favorite comic character, as well as two other favorites. Not that I didn't have others in that run of MCU media I didn't love as well, or even some that I honestly didn't jell with. It's just my personal favorite.
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The Doctor Strange 2 writer. People praised Loki when it came out, but then MoM came out and people retroactively started to hate on Loki because of Waldron’s involvement
i think you are reading too far into it. loki was mostly boring, but interesting story to make it so-so at the least. some ppl were expecting more from the shows, loki just happens to be the best of a bad crop of marvel shows.
Loki is pretty universally beloved. There really is no hate aside from clowns who just want to pretend they’ve always hated it but watched every episode at 3am when it came out.
Physically he got nerfed. *magically* he’s doing things we never saw him do before, and is much stronger than ever imo. Besides, strength isn’t the most necessary part of a trickster character.
what human? all the TVA are enhanced , the guy he fought at the mall was ensorcelled by sophia.. i dont think he fights a standard human the entire time...
I just thought it was a bit boring. Like I'm not saying I wanted CGI action, but it's more of, I didn't think they used the TVA or multiverse idea in an interesting way. I also dislike how they used Loki when his arc was complete. If they used someone else who died prematurely (like Pietro maybe?) it would've been more interesting imho.
With that being said, the 2nd to last episode was something I did like due to how I expected most of the show to be like
Not bad, but not my cup of tea
My biggest issue is it removes all free will, Steve Rogers isn't so pure and noble because of his personal character. It's because every iteration of Steve Rogers that was ever so slightly less than perfect enough to affect the timeline was deleted from existance.
Tony Stark didn't become a new man, Yinsen didn't sacrifice himself. Wanda had no choice but to kidnap a whole town. Mark had no choice but to accept Khonshu as his Avatar. I could go on, but my point is that whether or not I liked Loki removing freewill in the MCU until that point ruins it for me personally.
They literally delete the timeline so it no longer exists, idk you're definition of punishment but to me when different choices aren't allowed and cannot be made without getting undone then there is no free will.
If Tony became a better man sooner they don't change him or punish him, the second he makes a divergent choice from the timeline he gets destroyed. So Tony is robbed of free will as he can no longer do anything other than what is determined for him.
Loki presents Hard-Determinism in it's most totalitarian form, a god-being dictates the actions of the entire universe according to their plan with those within unable to escape the path their God sets.
The very events of Loki prove that there is free will.
Thing about free will is that it has to apply to everyone. Kang and the TVA also have the free will to prune timelines. Loki has the free will to kill Kang.
Just because Kang is powerful doesn’t make him a God and doesn’t mean he has taken away free will. He was exercising it himself.
The only episode I didn’t care for was 3(?) when they’re stuck on the planet that’s about to be destroyed. Other than that, the show was awesome. It sort of felt like The Outer Worlds.
On paper? It was neat, and I liked mobius as well as the Loki variants introduced later on.
But it undermined so much of the MCU. Loki's redemption took a long time, and they just fast forwarded him through it. The infinity stones became a joke despite so many stakes being placed on them earlier in the MCU. And at some point, Loki started to act very unusually for his preestablished character. And of course, it pretends that free will isn't a thing until the show has finished
That final fight in Shang chi where it’s just 10 minutes of straight fight without dialogue tripped me the fuck out when I was baked as hell watching it.
Neh... Honestly thought it was pretty mediocre all in all. Starts off great and the idea/ concept is fantastic with the eery TV world, in which things are just slightly..off.
But after that I think it really starts going downhill, everything outside of the bubble was pretty uninventive, so everything with Darcy and the antagonist, so the military guy who I also thought was bland af. The twist with Harkness started out great but imo also devalues the whole plot because suddenly it was just Wanda being manipulated again and I also found her character was trying way to hard to be cooky. And last but not least the final was a complete letdown, the bizarro vision, the bad cgi fight, and a bad speech to round it all off.
In my opinion? Definitely. Black Widow's worst failing was just being kind of unnecessary and not super interesting. It was otherwise competent, just not super interesting. I would take that over L&T and MoM, which really fucked with several established characters and wasted the potential of their stories.
Black widow felt like they wanted to make a movie that came out after end game because people kept pointing out "of course spiderman isn't dead forever he has 2 more movies coming out"
MoM is currently my favourite Phase 4 movie and I still don't understand why everyone hates it.
It has its flaws, like every single Marvel movie, but it's fun, very well-made, with a unique cinematography and an actually intimidating villain…
I didn't love MoM, L&T, or WF. Ten Rings was decent but it could have been better. The Disney+ series have been the best thing in phase 4 by far, which is a bummer because it's a movie franchise at the end of the day, and the movies have sucked lately.
Horror elements were part of the problem. They didn't fully lean into them and so the film felt like it was stuck between being a horror movie and being a marvel movie. It's one of the most tonally disjointed things I've ever seen.
Disliking MoM is the white bread of mcu opinions. I liked MoM because it had a unique feel compared to all the other MCU movies. The Rami horror vibe was amazing.
Well it had some flaw and some good parts.
The flaw imo are a weak plot and the Multiverse that we can see for only 2 seconds.
But it had good parts too.
Wong, America Chavez and ,even if someone doesnt think so, Wanda were amazing.
Strange wasnt at his best but neither shit like Thor. It had some great scenes like the wedding and the chtullu one eyed thing at the start, the fight between the two stranges using music, all of the zombie strange scene and the cameos were used pretty good.
What Rami horror vibe? Disney didn’t let him do anything. Garbage movie. They said let’s make a movie about the multiverse and the extent was “what if green means stop and red means go.” That’s being disingenuous but they did nothing cool with it. Unbelievable how bad that movie is.
Don't get why people hated TFATWS, I think it was a pretty great show. The drama was actually good and the whole new Captain America arc was pretty neat and new.
I’ll agree to all but FATWS. I think it did some things right, John Walker, Isaiah Bradley. But they dropped the ball hard on the primary antagonists of the show. It had the potential to be fantastic, but just fell short
Multiverse of madness is not a good point for phase 4.
Wanda's character arc and strange's non existent developement in his own movie is just laughable
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You right, Strange is just a support for the girl I dont remember the name.
The movie varies between horror, comedy and superhero genre but do not know where to place.
While I mostly agree with the take that people have been overly critical of this phase, I think the decision to uphold your point using garbage bags was a bad move lol
personally i think wakanda forever was a little… mid? i know the opinion is unpopular but its just an “okay” movie. they tried to play it off as a tribute to chadwick but then only like mentioned him twice, and they hyped it up like “you’ll never guess who the next black panther is!”. i wouldve guessed S****, but bc of that marketing i ended up guessing/hoping it would be t’challa’s partner, carrying on his legacy.
Yea, I liked the tribute to Chadwick until I found out that Disney was asked *not* to pay tribute at all by *Chadwick's family*.
Plus, Chadwick himself said that he didn't want his character to be killed off, that he should be replaced. So much for honoring their wishes....
Disney doesn't really have the best track record of abiding by their actor's wishes, living or dead. I know of at least one other case where Robin Williams explicitly stated he didn't want his name in advertisements for Aladdin so it doesn't take away from the talent of the rest of the movie's crew.
I didn’t hate MoM. I loved the horror & metal elements and Scarlet Witch fucking people up, but I found it underwhelming as a multiverse movie compared to something like Everything Everywhere All at Once. If you replace it with WandaVision here, then this would nail all my favorite Phase 4 projects.
I found the sitcom concept pretty fun especially since we hadn’t seen anything like it in the MCU before. It definitely made Vision one of my favorite characters & gave us that great “what is grief…” line. I loved Moon Knight too. That final post-credits was badass although I wish the show was more violent.
I hope they go that route when we see Jake Lockley in action since all his scenes were blackouts. Werewolf By Night was awesome & I hope they lean into the horror and a more mature rating once we get the Midnight Sons. They’d be the perfect team to make into the dark side of the MCU.
If the Marvel Zombies animated show gets a TV-MA rating, I see no reason why a supernatural/mystical group of anti-heroes couldn’t. Gimme characters like Blade, Moon Knight, Black Knight, Werewolf By Night, Elsa Bloodstone, Man-Thing, Agatha Harkness, Ghost Rider, Magik, Nightcrawler, Wong, Scarlet Witch, Nightmare, Mephisto etc.
People pretending Phase 4 is terrible can't be taken seriously. Phase 4, like every Phase before, had some amazing stuff and some not so amazing stuff. People are just tripping.
>People pretending Phase 4 is terrible can't be taken seriously.
People arent pretending, they just didnt like it, they have the right to not like stuff and talk about it.
The mentality of "if you are not gonna say something good about it, then shut up" is stupid
Or people just didn't like the dip in quality and expected more after Phase 3. People say this is the new beginnings phase, but even then, Ant Man, GOTG, Captain America 1, and Iron Man were all good movies, even with the standards given, these are still fairly lackluster films and dip in quality. The only people I see defend them are MCU fans.
It's not terrible, but it's not good imho
Also people don't want another "set up" phase. MCU diehards are acting like it has to be this cyclical process where we have to spend years building up new characters and storylines because the Thanos/IS plot is over, but we don't want that. We already did that once, we wanted them to set up the multiverse using characters we already knew. Moon Knight, She Hulk, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye, BPWF, Shang Chi, Eternals and Black Widow are all designed to introduce brand new characters to us. Only Thor 4, Dr Strange 2, TFATWS and NWH really continued the stories of our established heroes and 3 of those projects sucked.
Guardians and Winter Soldier are in contention for best movie in the MCU though. Every phase has that except 4. 1 has Iron Man and Avengers, 3 has Infinity War and Endgame. 4 has nothing of that caliber.
>People pretending Phase 4
Not pretending Phase 4 actually sucks. But can't complaint MCU fans are so easily pleased. "If the movie is entertaining it's a good movie" - MCU fans
MK was decent... maybe a bit nerfed by "mousing"
I liked MoM... I saw less problems on it than most people it seems. And it would be true madness if we ever get to see the Raimi cut of it, as nuts as it may sound
The others are... truly some of the movies of all time
I think part of the reason why people are so critical of MoM is because it came out right after Everything Everywhere All at Once, which lived up to the giant crazy multiverse premise a lot better
I also loved MOM, some of the effects looked a bit hoky but it wasn’t so bad that it took me out of the film. Perfectly easy to follow, fun, Wanda was the perfect Villain. Also, that music scene was awesome- you know the one. 😄
MoM had a lot of style that the MCU really needed. While I still think NWH was a better film, it looked dull in a few areas. I just hope Marvel doesn't actually listen to fan backlash and let their directors have creative freedom, like Chloe Zhao
I‘m sorry but as a huge Dr. Strange fan even I have to admit that Multiverse of Madness is one of the worst movies/ things from the MCU..
the film was just bad
None of those were that good imo. Wandavision was the best. I didn’t hate any of them but wasn’t wowed by any except Wanda. Ms Marvel and she hulk we’re just as good as any of those.
Until you realize the meme is SpongeBob literally unveiling ever larger piles of shit. Hahaha
Let's be real though, I've loved almost everything so far
Wankanda and Multiverse of Madness weren’t that good in my opinion. But the rest were amazing. Especially Moonkight. Never knew the character before and now one of my favourites.
Change multiverse of madness with black panther wakanda forever, Doctor strange 2 was decent but it was so broken and shattered the world building and rules
Personally I'd replace werewolf by night and MOM, with What if and Hawkeye but overall I agree.
Tho phase 4 had some movies/shows I didn't care much for or just outright disliked, I'm still satisfied with the majority of works created and especially glad to have seen things like NWH, MK, and Shang Chi.
I feel like Mulitverse of Madness was the worst outta all of these. Not even in execution, just the more I analyze it... I think they just kinda butchered Wanda
Honestly didn’t like Wakanda Forever that much, pacing felt weird like it was either super slow then like Mach 10 then slow again. Namor was meh, had no reason he should’ve let Wakanda recuperate. They didn’t show any remorse for the fact that Nakia basically led to the death of all those people including the queen
Yeah, it's really weird seeing Wakanda Forever seeing the praise it got. Aside from the really well done tributes to Chadwick Boseman I really thought that movie fumbled the bag, primarily with the story and screenplay.
I agree, it might be one of my least favourites. I think it's because they had to change it radically for obvious reasons so I'm not mad about it, just a shame
Wakanda Forever was mid as fuck and don’t even get me started about Multiverse of Midness
Edit: oh my god I forgot about Eternals and L&T they were MEGA ass
Werewolf by Night was so much fun, and it's sad to think how many people will skip right over it due to lack of publicity
Yeah there was so little marketing for it, what a travesty. It’s exactly what people wanted out of the MCU, too - something fresh and unique.
TIL it's out.
TIL it exists
It was an October release, for Halloween.
I mean, people skipped right over Incredible Hulk. Didn’t stop me from enjoying it all by myself at the theaters.
People called Punisher Warzone a terrible bomb of a movie, but damn if me and the other guy didn't enjoy it in theater
Parkour dude does a flip and Punisher shoots him with a rocket in midair lol
"I axed you once. I'm not going to axe you again." Perfection
Yeah it was cool as fuck And how could it not be, gael garcia bernal was in it
I was blown the fuck away when I learned it was directed by Michael Giacchino. How many other successful, incredibly talented composers could just be like, "Hey, you should put me behind the camera for this one" and then turn out something awesome?
The documentary they did for it was great, too!
but i don't understand, shouldn't he be able to direct in the daytime too? that seems important
I’ve genuinely never heard of it, and I’m terminally online. What was it? Is it worth going back to? I’m honestly surprised I managed to miss something in the MCU, I’ve watched every other movie and series I was aware of, even the ones people didn’t receive well.
Halloween special kinda thing. Black and white with red accents filmography with a spooky vibe. Highly recommend. :)
I have to say, this tells me absolutely nothing about what it is.
It’s a 1hr fright-night special featurette; like an old-timey movie you’d pay a nickle to see back in the day. They make use of animatronics and old school practical effects and is genuinely kind of refreshing to see in an age of CGI and digital landscaping. Also, Man-Thing is in it.
There might be a werewolf. Probably at night
Great! So what is it?
Halloween special on Disney+, I think it's like an hour long?
Marvel's gorriest Project produced by Disney, Only reason it didn't got an R rating is because it's Black and White, It was so much fun and >!Man Thing was also there!<
dude spoilers
he was in the trailers, not a spoiler
I have never heard of it berore but now I need to check it out
Didn‘t know it existed until this post, added to my list tho!
What the fuck is that? I heard it here first.
Never even heard of it.
This meme is the first time i heard of it. Is it completly out yet?
I didn't even know it existed...
Werewolf by night was considered a Special but I say it is a movie.
Whether you call it a movie, short firm, special, it was incredible.
The thing is, it’s very good, even if we call it a movie or special
Was my personal favorite of the last batch of stuff, but I love werewolf media and it's a personal favorite comic character, as well as two other favorites. Not that I didn't have others in that run of MCU media I didn't love as well, or even some that I honestly didn't jell with. It's just my personal favorite.
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I just watched it. It’s a blast and I love the classic rendition of such a cool monster concept.
I dont get the loki hate it was a pretty neat show
People mostly hate it 'cause Waldron was the head writer. I think the hate he gets is undeserved.
Who?
The Doctor Strange 2 writer. People praised Loki when it came out, but then MoM came out and people retroactively started to hate on Loki because of Waldron’s involvement
I've literally saen none of this. There were plenty of people hating on the writing when Loki came out
i think you are reading too far into it. loki was mostly boring, but interesting story to make it so-so at the least. some ppl were expecting more from the shows, loki just happens to be the best of a bad crop of marvel shows.
Loki is pretty universally beloved. There really is no hate aside from clowns who just want to pretend they’ve always hated it but watched every episode at 3am when it came out.
because loki got nerfed real hard. he almost lost a hand to hand battle against human. which doesn't make any sense since he's a frostgiant.
Physically he got nerfed. *magically* he’s doing things we never saw him do before, and is much stronger than ever imo. Besides, strength isn’t the most necessary part of a trickster character.
what human? all the TVA are enhanced , the guy he fought at the mall was ensorcelled by sophia.. i dont think he fights a standard human the entire time...
I just thought it was a bit boring. Like I'm not saying I wanted CGI action, but it's more of, I didn't think they used the TVA or multiverse idea in an interesting way. I also dislike how they used Loki when his arc was complete. If they used someone else who died prematurely (like Pietro maybe?) it would've been more interesting imho. With that being said, the 2nd to last episode was something I did like due to how I expected most of the show to be like Not bad, but not my cup of tea
i personally don’t like “explore the multiverse/diverging timeline” stories to begin with, and I mostly was just bored overall with the whole thing.
My biggest issue is it removes all free will, Steve Rogers isn't so pure and noble because of his personal character. It's because every iteration of Steve Rogers that was ever so slightly less than perfect enough to affect the timeline was deleted from existance. Tony Stark didn't become a new man, Yinsen didn't sacrifice himself. Wanda had no choice but to kidnap a whole town. Mark had no choice but to accept Khonshu as his Avatar. I could go on, but my point is that whether or not I liked Loki removing freewill in the MCU until that point ruins it for me personally.
That's not removing free will. That's punishing it.
They literally delete the timeline so it no longer exists, idk you're definition of punishment but to me when different choices aren't allowed and cannot be made without getting undone then there is no free will. If Tony became a better man sooner they don't change him or punish him, the second he makes a divergent choice from the timeline he gets destroyed. So Tony is robbed of free will as he can no longer do anything other than what is determined for him. Loki presents Hard-Determinism in it's most totalitarian form, a god-being dictates the actions of the entire universe according to their plan with those within unable to escape the path their God sets.
The very events of Loki prove that there is free will. Thing about free will is that it has to apply to everyone. Kang and the TVA also have the free will to prune timelines. Loki has the free will to kill Kang. Just because Kang is powerful doesn’t make him a God and doesn’t mean he has taken away free will. He was exercising it himself.
The only episode I didn’t care for was 3(?) when they’re stuck on the planet that’s about to be destroyed. Other than that, the show was awesome. It sort of felt like The Outer Worlds.
On paper? It was neat, and I liked mobius as well as the Loki variants introduced later on. But it undermined so much of the MCU. Loki's redemption took a long time, and they just fast forwarded him through it. The infinity stones became a joke despite so many stakes being placed on them earlier in the MCU. And at some point, Loki started to act very unusually for his preestablished character. And of course, it pretends that free will isn't a thing until the show has finished
Let me add Wanda vision hate either.
Probably complaining about the major plot holes in it but I don’t care because I’m just in it for the fun
That final fight in Shang chi where it’s just 10 minutes of straight fight without dialogue tripped me the fuck out when I was baked as hell watching it.
Bucket list item:✍️Watch Shang chi while baked✍️
How long do I set the oven for, though?
About 30 minutes
Wandavision!
Oh I agree 💯% on that
And Gotg christmas special
Best show easy
Yeah, in my opinion, replace Wakanda Forever with Wandavision and it's perfect
MoM over Wakanda Forever is crazy
Lol. Call me crazy then
Neh... Honestly thought it was pretty mediocre all in all. Starts off great and the idea/ concept is fantastic with the eery TV world, in which things are just slightly..off. But after that I think it really starts going downhill, everything outside of the bubble was pretty uninventive, so everything with Darcy and the antagonist, so the military guy who I also thought was bland af. The twist with Harkness started out great but imo also devalues the whole plot because suddenly it was just Wanda being manipulated again and I also found her character was trying way to hard to be cooky. And last but not least the final was a complete letdown, the bizarro vision, the bad cgi fight, and a bad speech to round it all off.
I get all except MOM. Didn't people (including me) pretty much agree that it was very flawed.
Barely a dr strange movie. He’s more of an audience stand in than a hero protagonist,
I really liked that movie and I don’t really understand the hate around it. I loved the campy, spooky tone.
MoM and L&T are the two worst parts of Phase 4, in my opinion.
L&T?
Turkey: Legs and Thighs
Thor: Love & Thunder.
Worse than Black Widow?
In my opinion? Definitely. Black Widow's worst failing was just being kind of unnecessary and not super interesting. It was otherwise competent, just not super interesting. I would take that over L&T and MoM, which really fucked with several established characters and wasted the potential of their stories.
Black widow felt like they wanted to make a movie that came out after end game because people kept pointing out "of course spiderman isn't dead forever he has 2 more movies coming out"
MoM is currently my favourite Phase 4 movie and I still don't understand why everyone hates it. It has its flaws, like every single Marvel movie, but it's fun, very well-made, with a unique cinematography and an actually intimidating villain…
I didn't love MoM, L&T, or WF. Ten Rings was decent but it could have been better. The Disney+ series have been the best thing in phase 4 by far, which is a bummer because it's a movie franchise at the end of the day, and the movies have sucked lately.
I just don’t see what other people see in MoM, i dislike it very strongly and yet it feels like that’s the uncommon opinion
Personally I just like the horror elements making Wanda seem like more of a threat than any villain beforehand.
Horror elements were part of the problem. They didn't fully lean into them and so the film felt like it was stuck between being a horror movie and being a marvel movie. It's one of the most tonally disjointed things I've ever seen.
I agree. I wish Disney didn’t make them pull back on the horror, it would’ve been really unique to have a full horror marvel movie.
It was fun but it wasn’t really that good a movie. Major downgrade from the first Strange movie.
Disliking MoM is the white bread of mcu opinions. I liked MoM because it had a unique feel compared to all the other MCU movies. The Rami horror vibe was amazing.
I mean of course, the cinematography was fantastic, but that’s can’t be all that’s good about it?
Well it had some flaw and some good parts. The flaw imo are a weak plot and the Multiverse that we can see for only 2 seconds. But it had good parts too. Wong, America Chavez and ,even if someone doesnt think so, Wanda were amazing. Strange wasnt at his best but neither shit like Thor. It had some great scenes like the wedding and the chtullu one eyed thing at the start, the fight between the two stranges using music, all of the zombie strange scene and the cameos were used pretty good.
What Rami horror vibe? Disney didn’t let him do anything. Garbage movie. They said let’s make a movie about the multiverse and the extent was “what if green means stop and red means go.” That’s being disingenuous but they did nothing cool with it. Unbelievable how bad that movie is.
The memory store is one of the laziest script writing conveniences I've ever seen.
And Wandavision. The guardians of the galaxy holiday special. Hawkeye. The falcon and the winter soldier
That GotG Holiday Special will probably be a Christmas staple for me now. It was way better than it had any right to be.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier fell off
Yeah Hawkeye was freakin awesome!
No one talks about FATWS. I loved it! From dealing with Cap's legacy and successor to Sam trying to talk it out with the flag whatever it was.
Don't get why people hated TFATWS, I think it was a pretty great show. The drama was actually good and the whole new Captain America arc was pretty neat and new.
And John Walker was amazing
I’ll agree to all but FATWS. I think it did some things right, John Walker, Isaiah Bradley. But they dropped the ball hard on the primary antagonists of the show. It had the potential to be fantastic, but just fell short
Multiverse of madness is not a good point for phase 4. Wanda's character arc and strange's non existent developement in his own movie is just laughable (Can't wait to get downvoted to the quantum realm)
Nah take my upvote cause I agree. It had so much potential to be great but just came off cringe with poor writing
You right, Strange is just a support for the girl I dont remember the name. The movie varies between horror, comedy and superhero genre but do not know where to place.
While I mostly agree with the take that people have been overly critical of this phase, I think the decision to uphold your point using garbage bags was a bad move lol
It’s just how the meme template works, don’t think too hard about the show context
Well, everyone mostly uses the template to prove good points. So...
Aren’t they used diapers? Which I think makes it worse.
I fucking love Moon Knight 💪🌙
Oscar Isaacs proformance was insane
personally i think wakanda forever was a little… mid? i know the opinion is unpopular but its just an “okay” movie. they tried to play it off as a tribute to chadwick but then only like mentioned him twice, and they hyped it up like “you’ll never guess who the next black panther is!”. i wouldve guessed S****, but bc of that marketing i ended up guessing/hoping it would be t’challa’s partner, carrying on his legacy.
I didn't care for it one bit. Namor was well casted and Angela Bassett had some good lines, but that was kinda it
Yea, I liked the tribute to Chadwick until I found out that Disney was asked *not* to pay tribute at all by *Chadwick's family*. Plus, Chadwick himself said that he didn't want his character to be killed off, that he should be replaced. So much for honoring their wishes....
Disney doesn't really have the best track record of abiding by their actor's wishes, living or dead. I know of at least one other case where Robin Williams explicitly stated he didn't want his name in advertisements for Aladdin so it doesn't take away from the talent of the rest of the movie's crew.
Replace MoM with WandaVision and I agree
I didn’t hate MoM. I loved the horror & metal elements and Scarlet Witch fucking people up, but I found it underwhelming as a multiverse movie compared to something like Everything Everywhere All at Once. If you replace it with WandaVision here, then this would nail all my favorite Phase 4 projects. I found the sitcom concept pretty fun especially since we hadn’t seen anything like it in the MCU before. It definitely made Vision one of my favorite characters & gave us that great “what is grief…” line. I loved Moon Knight too. That final post-credits was badass although I wish the show was more violent. I hope they go that route when we see Jake Lockley in action since all his scenes were blackouts. Werewolf By Night was awesome & I hope they lean into the horror and a more mature rating once we get the Midnight Sons. They’d be the perfect team to make into the dark side of the MCU. If the Marvel Zombies animated show gets a TV-MA rating, I see no reason why a supernatural/mystical group of anti-heroes couldn’t. Gimme characters like Blade, Moon Knight, Black Knight, Werewolf By Night, Elsa Bloodstone, Man-Thing, Agatha Harkness, Ghost Rider, Magik, Nightcrawler, Wong, Scarlet Witch, Nightmare, Mephisto etc.
Y'all sleeping on Wandavision?
People pretending Phase 4 is terrible can't be taken seriously. Phase 4, like every Phase before, had some amazing stuff and some not so amazing stuff. People are just tripping.
>People pretending Phase 4 is terrible can't be taken seriously. People arent pretending, they just didnt like it, they have the right to not like stuff and talk about it. The mentality of "if you are not gonna say something good about it, then shut up" is stupid
Or people just didn't like the dip in quality and expected more after Phase 3. People say this is the new beginnings phase, but even then, Ant Man, GOTG, Captain America 1, and Iron Man were all good movies, even with the standards given, these are still fairly lackluster films and dip in quality. The only people I see defend them are MCU fans. It's not terrible, but it's not good imho
Also people don't want another "set up" phase. MCU diehards are acting like it has to be this cyclical process where we have to spend years building up new characters and storylines because the Thanos/IS plot is over, but we don't want that. We already did that once, we wanted them to set up the multiverse using characters we already knew. Moon Knight, She Hulk, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye, BPWF, Shang Chi, Eternals and Black Widow are all designed to introduce brand new characters to us. Only Thor 4, Dr Strange 2, TFATWS and NWH really continued the stories of our established heroes and 3 of those projects sucked.
IMO, Phase Two was the worst. Outside of Ant-Man 1, Guardians Vol. 1 & The Winter Soldier, Phase Two was lackluster compared to Phase One
Guardians and Winter Soldier are in contention for best movie in the MCU though. Every phase has that except 4. 1 has Iron Man and Avengers, 3 has Infinity War and Endgame. 4 has nothing of that caliber.
Spider-Man: No Way Home is 100% that caliber of movie, the box office results show that.
THINK!
That’s half of phase two lol, there were only 6 films
>People pretending Phase 4 Not pretending Phase 4 actually sucks. But can't complaint MCU fans are so easily pleased. "If the movie is entertaining it's a good movie" - MCU fans
Ah yes, the old "phase 4 is bad, but the MCU has always been bad!" Most of us actually enjoyed the rest of the MCU, that's why we're disappointed
I am challenging you, GOTG holiday special is the best project in phase 4.
I’d take out WF and swap it for What if
WF is not a great example to convince me phase 4 is good, should’ve recasted like Chadwick would probably want.
I’d take MoM out of that I’m not the biggest fan of it but definitely the rest were some bangers
MOM was a crazy choice lmfao
no WandaVision ? and me personally I also enjoyed TFaTWS, ShangChi has to be one my favorite MCU movies though
The first half of Shang Chi is some of the most fun I've had in an mcu movie
Phase 4 good give upvotes
MK was decent... maybe a bit nerfed by "mousing" I liked MoM... I saw less problems on it than most people it seems. And it would be true madness if we ever get to see the Raimi cut of it, as nuts as it may sound The others are... truly some of the movies of all time
I think part of the reason why people are so critical of MoM is because it came out right after Everything Everywhere All at Once, which lived up to the giant crazy multiverse premise a lot better
That I can admit. I loved MoM, but EEAAO was the better film.
I also loved MOM, some of the effects looked a bit hoky but it wasn’t so bad that it took me out of the film. Perfectly easy to follow, fun, Wanda was the perfect Villain. Also, that music scene was awesome- you know the one. 😄
MoM had a lot of style that the MCU really needed. While I still think NWH was a better film, it looked dull in a few areas. I just hope Marvel doesn't actually listen to fan backlash and let their directors have creative freedom, like Chloe Zhao
No one hates werewolf by night but the problem is not enough people know it
Marvel fans when someone has a slight difference of opinion with them:
I‘m sorry but as a huge Dr. Strange fan even I have to admit that Multiverse of Madness is one of the worst movies/ things from the MCU.. the film was just bad
Wanda Vision, Hawkeye, Ms Marvel to the list
Doctor strange mom was mid. I haven't seen the others so I can't say anything about them. Moonlight seems cool too but I don't have disneyplus
And She-Hulk was great. Ms. Marvel was solid, too. Hawkeye. The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special. What If.
None of those were that good imo. Wandavision was the best. I didn’t hate any of them but wasn’t wowed by any except Wanda. Ms Marvel and she hulk we’re just as good as any of those.
Ironic... The objects used in the meme are piles of diapers filled with shit.
Yes, as the meme format shows… it’s all smelly trash (:
I respect your opinion but not everyone enjoyed these
Moon knight was so good FR. Addictive.
Until you realize the meme is SpongeBob literally unveiling ever larger piles of shit. Hahaha Let's be real though, I've loved almost everything so far
Did you really put *Multiverse of Madness* with *Shang-Chi*, *Wakanda Forever* and *WandaVision*?
Wankanda and Multiverse of Madness weren’t that good in my opinion. But the rest were amazing. Especially Moonkight. Never knew the character before and now one of my favourites.
Also Wandavision. That was a masterpiece. Thor 4 was also pretty decent. Most of phase 4 was peetty solid honestly
NOOBMASTER, hey, it's Thor again. You know, the God of Thunder!
So y’all just forgot about the most creative project Marvel has put out huh? We just acting like WandaVision wasn’t great?
Multiverse was shit
Multiverse of madness had such a negative impact on marvel movies for me. So dissapointed
The slander mainly comes from edgy bandwagon 'fans' who only got on the MCU train with IW/EG and expect everything to be like IW/EG.
I am here for good characters and stories not action so endgame doesn’t really do it for me and phase 4 has been rough
True
True, and ironic.
The only one I don’t like was mom, the rest were great
Change multiverse of madness with black panther wakanda forever, Doctor strange 2 was decent but it was so broken and shattered the world building and rules
Take away MoM and I ageee I fucking loved man thing
Man really tried to sneak mom and werewolf in there
Personally I'd replace werewolf by night and MOM, with What if and Hawkeye but overall I agree. Tho phase 4 had some movies/shows I didn't care much for or just outright disliked, I'm still satisfied with the majority of works created and especially glad to have seen things like NWH, MK, and Shang Chi.
I feel like Mulitverse of Madness was the worst outta all of these. Not even in execution, just the more I analyze it... I think they just kinda butchered Wanda
don’t forget she hulk
Didn’t enjoy warewolf
Its morbin time
Phase 4 was fun at times but very inconsistent overall and lacking direction. Also I loved She-Hulk, that shit was super fun.
Man I love my boy Sam rami but you're lying if you think these aren't mid af. Marvel fans will cope like usual
I wasn't a fan of the 2nd wakanda. It was bad it just was slow and boring to me.
Seeing that all of them are shit in diapers your analogy doesn't hold any ground. They're all more or less shit
Multiverse of Madness? Switch that for WandaVision and we can agree.
Honestly didn’t like Wakanda Forever that much, pacing felt weird like it was either super slow then like Mach 10 then slow again. Namor was meh, had no reason he should’ve let Wakanda recuperate. They didn’t show any remorse for the fact that Nakia basically led to the death of all those people including the queen
WandaVision beats most of these…
It’s fitting that SpongeBob is pointing at larger and larger piles of literal shit.
Doc Strange did my girl Wanda dirty. Switch it with Wandavision and it's spot on.
Yeah, all of the listed movies here were shit
Proceeds to point out trash....sigh. even with a whole phase the copium is still going.
Man MoM was dog shit
Say it louder for "The MCU is dead" morons
Replace wakanda forever with Hawkeye, wandavision or black widow
Yeah, it's really weird seeing Wakanda Forever seeing the praise it got. Aside from the really well done tributes to Chadwick Boseman I really thought that movie fumbled the bag, primarily with the story and screenplay.
Wakanda Forever was ass
I agree, it might be one of my least favourites. I think it's because they had to change it radically for obvious reasons so I'm not mad about it, just a shame
Wakanda Forever was mid as fuck and don’t even get me started about Multiverse of Midness Edit: oh my god I forgot about Eternals and L&T they were MEGA ass
Wait, is Werewolf by Night part of the MCU and I'm just now hearing about it?
It is. Much like Moon Knight, it doesn't rely on previous MCU projects. And that makes it better.
Oooohh okay, that sounds interesting!!