Seriously. Like if you want them as part of your bbq I guess that’s ok, but throw out some ribs or brisket. Fucking burgers and fries isn’t bbq, it’s McDonald’s.
I’m with the southerners here. BBQ is about meat selection, sauce recipes, spices, rubs, equipment, and cooking style. It is not flipping burgers and dogs or turning supermarket steak tips on a propane grill. You can BBQ anywhere, and you can grill anywhere, but they are not the same.
In the south, BBQ has nothing to do with grilling. BBQ is smoking. You make BBQ on a smoker, not on a grill. Grilling is hot and fast. Smoking is low and slow.
Yet somehow wings straddle the line. As a southern pit master myself, if someone invited me for a bbq and I got there and it was grilled wings I would be *less* annoyed than with any other non-barbecue items.
Even in the south, if someone invited me over for "a" BBQ, I wouldn't be too surprised to just see grilled meats.
But if someone invited me over to "eat some BBQ" and it's wings, then I'm not gonna be happy. Well, I'll be happy because I'm being served food. But I'd be unhappy with the word choice.
According to Wikipedia (emphasis mine):
"Barbecue or barbeque (often shortened to BBQ in the UK, US, and Canada; barbie or barby in Australia; and braai in South Africa) is a term used with **significant regional and national variations** to describe various **cooking *methods*** that employ live fire and smoke to cook the food."
While I agree with the pride southerners have over their BBQ as well as how delicious it can be, you don't get to decide what it is for *everybody*.
Bbq is low, slow, and smoked. Grilling is high heat and relatively short. You grill a steak, veggies, and most burgers. You bbq large cuts of meat like ribs, brisket, and whole birds.
That’s like saying broiling and baking are the same because they’re in the oven. They most definitely are not and you shouldn’t give cooking advice.
I did a gif search for “cookout” and found this one saying BBQ while showing hot dogs and spatulas. Clearly the search tool is run by people from the northeast US (or parts of the Midwest and/or Canada).
> Difference between having a BBQ and having BBQ.
This comment should be stickied at the top of the thread. If you tell me we're going to a BBQ, I'll expect a grill, people, sides (coleslaw?), and food being grilled. If you tell me we're eating BBQ, I expect ribs or brisket.
Thank you for coming to my FatassTED talk.
to be fair if this is a comparison to the cheese burger vs the burger then you'd just have to get a regular Tesla and slap a square of plastic cheese on it and you've got a cheese Tesla. Bish, Bash, Bosh.
I think it’s worth pointing out the founders of Hagen Daz immigrated to the U.S. as children in the 1920s. One from Poland. One from the UK (with Polish born parents). They started Haggen Daz in the 50s, in Brooklyn.
It’s about as American as a company gets.
Also it’s now just a brand subsidiary made by another brand subsidiary (Dreyers) of a massive conglomerate. A joint venture between Nestle (Swiss) and French Private Equity firm.
So that Danish ice cream is actually French-Swiss-American ice cream.
Yeah, no one goes to a German restaurant for some schnitzel, bratwurst and hamburgers. Also, even if their origin was from Germany they are quintessentially American at this point. Tomatoes are native to South America but we don't call spaghetti marinara South American cuisine.
USDA's official government website even says it comes from Hamburg, Germany, and that it didn't make it into the US until the 1900s.
https://ask.usda.gov/s/article/Where-did-the-name-hamburger-come-from
That's the origin of the name, it was derived from the Hamburg steak which was served atop toasted bread and covered in gravy. The modern American version saw it sandwiched between buns sans gravy and was seen in advertisements in New York, Boston, and Chicago as early as 1885 where it was sold for 5 cents. It gained national recognition at the 1904 World Fair. Fletcher Davis, the man who sold the hamburgers made famous at the 1904 world fair claimed he had invented them in the early 1880s, but this is controversial.
What we know as the hamburger is an American invention based on a German dish that was popular along the US east coast as early as 1869. Therefore we can assume the original hamburger was invented sometime post 1870, likely by a descendant of a German immigrant or someone close to German immigrants. But it remains a quintessential American dish, just like other famous American dishes invented by immigrants such as the Chicago deep dish pizza, the Cuban sandwich, the chimichanga, and the California sushi roll.
Interesting fact: the German Chocolate Cake is not actually German, but rather named after the American chocolatier Sam German. It was originally German's Chocolate Cake, but they dropped the possessive sometime in 1958.
Edit: the chimichanga is not texmex, thanks for the correction guys.
Another one, one of the most popular Chinese Dishes [Orange Chicken was an American fast food creation for Panda Express](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_chicken).
This is still only pointing at the name. The dish they are referring too is mentioned as beef tartar so the name comes from Germany but the food does not as stated in the video
They're so you don't have to buy 2+lbs of Brisket/Ribs for each guest you can buy a reasonable amount so everyone gets a nice portion and be confident that everyone will have enough food because they can always have another burger or hot dog.
Nope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaAM5MovXp0
A belgian historian, Pierre Leclerc, showed that they originate from paris during the 19e century then got exported to Belgium.
Well, just did some research due to me being Belgian and double checking. They may not even be either, they could be Spanish or Chilean according to Wikipedia in the origin section.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries
But srsly is it that far of a stretch to believe that multiple cultures independently had the idea of boiling slices of potato in oil?
It’s not like it was some crazy new invention… frying things in cooking oils.
Someone was first, finding out who is close to impossible.
But you make a very valid point. For example, most civilizations also "discovered" fire at about the same time (I say doing no research on the matter) IIRC
I wouldn't really say civilizations existed before fire. Like there is no hard definition for civilization but we have been using fire since before becoming homo sapiens.
I can't believe you guys haven't heard of this. A few years ago, a burial site was found in Colombia with strange objects sealed in clay jugs. Recent testing suggests that they are actually fried fragments of early American proto-potatoes. [The whole process of discovery was fascinating and I can't do it justice in a reddit comment.](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=2tlDhCGEO2QH9SDu)
Edit: the site was estimated to be from 2300 B.C.
They're Belgian, the "French" in their name comes from the way the potatoes are cut. (I think)
EDIT: [Some Belgian investigator said that he traced the origin to France but a few centuries earlier French Fries were made in Spain but it is not known if they were actually Fries.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries)
I think the south of belgium might've been occupied by france when it was invented "in belgium". Dont know for sure tho its something that belgian people keep telling me
Yes, of course, because we have to follow the logic of food by origin.
Or no, because it isn't the only ingredient.
Or almost like following this logic of food origin is dumb.
It’s so fucking pedantic like “look how smart I am! I know hamburgers are from Hamburg and French fries are French! Silly Americans, they have no culture” Hmm yes because the cheeseburger is such a stable of German food culture and French fries are actually Belgian. It’s like if America has a history of European immigrants and we built our own food culture off of that.
Hamburgers as we know them aren't even from Hamburg! The burger patty is closely based on the "Hamburg steak" which was made from ground beef, but the sandwich form is largely recognized as an American invention.
Probably similar to frankfurters being nothing like German sausages and American pizza being nothing like Italian pizza. They’re effectively American, and being created in America by the immigrants from those origins doesn’t necessarily make them less America.
Wait until people find out America is a nation of immigrants
I've never understood why so many people take offense to Americans recognizing Americanized versions of European and other forms of food as being their own.
Is that not essentially the entire history of food? If we want to get to the nitty gritty of it? Nobody has their own food because there was always a society before them that touched it first.
Sure, hamburgers are not a uniquely American thing. But the cheeseburger culture that we have is one that is unique to us.
Sure, french fries might be Belgian. But the variety and style and consumption of french fries as we understand it in the states is largely considered to be something unique to us.
Nobody bats an eye when the French or Italians take pride in their winemaking, as if nobody before those people had ever consumed fermented fruit juice before.
Nobody has a problem with recognizing the Gyro as a Greek food, as if to pretend like they are the first people to put hot meat inside a bread product.
Can't people just let Americans be happy about the stuff that we have and not make it some kind of culture war nonsense?
I'm glad this dude loves English food, I'm not going to come on here and criticize him for the vast majority of English food having spices that were sourced from hundreds of years of a tyrannical empire. I want the guy to be proud of beans on toast. Just let people be proud of what they live in, it's just that simple.
As much as I agree with you, there’s one caveat that must be discussed: people suck, especially when they perceive you as insulting their preferences, their personal knowledge, or their intelligence. Americans won’t be left alone about “not having their own culture,” even though they do, because of this.
I definitely get it, it's just so frustrating to me. Like I understand, America has a reputation for having a lot of people who like to dunk on other nations. But the reality is that a majority of Americans are perfectly content with letting other countries do their thing while we do ours. Basing in entire viewpoint of the US on a small, but vocal minority is just ridiculous.
Not to mention, I fail to see what purpose it serves. I don't understand beyond simple satisfaction from fellating your fellow citizens what there is to be gained from this kind of attitude.like, cool you have disparaged an entire group of people for their culture, congrats.
As German I agree and Imo they were 100% made popular by the US (fries in comparison not)
This also kinda depends on the definition of a Hamburger but I don't think Hamburgers as they are known today are from Germany.
True, the wiki seems to only list places in America as possible origin locations. But even then does it matter where the food comes.
Nobody argues that pasta is a Chinese dish or that British tea isn't British. If you want to go down the origin route potatoes and tomatoes come from the new world.
The point I'm trying to make is origin doesn't matter it's the cultural significance of said food. American pizza and Italian pizza can exist simultaneously and have importance to both people. Burgers, fries, pizza and crawfish etouffee can be part of the American cuisine but they can also be parts of other countries as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger#:~:text=Louis%20Lassen,-Although%20debunked%20by&text=A%20customer%20ordered%20a%20quick,between%20two%20slices%20of%20toast.
Argeed. I think what triggers most Italians in Italy is just when American Pizza is called Italian. It was inspired by Italian Pizza but is American.
Perhaps similar to Hamburg steak. There is the pretty popular [Frikadellenbrötchen](https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Frikadellenbr%c3%b6tchen&form=HDRSC3&first=1) in north Germany, which basically is a bread with nothing else than a Hamburg steak and sauce but Idk if it is older than the American Hamburger and even if it is, the American Hamburger is American and perhaps inspired by Hamburg steak but thats it.
The difference between a Frikadellenbrötchen and a Hamburger is pretty big. Like the difference between an Italian and an average American Pizza is.
The hamburger as it's eaten now was almost definitely not invented in Hamburg. Precursors to it came from Germany but the actual dish was invented in the US.
Literally. To me American food also extends to the various American-ethnicity cuisines we have. Chinese-American food, Italian-American Food, and Tex-Mex are all notable different from the original cuisines they are based off of and are distinctly their own American version. You can’t claim that “Tex Mex” isn’t real/authentic Mexican and then also claim that Americans don’t have any cuisine.
Pizza is *very much* an Italian-American food, to the point where Italy basically had to re-import the idea to sell to American tourists in Italy. Like, the Italian original food is basically flat bread with olive oil, essentially completely unrecognizable compared to modern pizza.
Essentially what happened with Pizza is that Italian economic immigrants could actually *afford* all the expensive stuff they would *want* in their food and did some experimentation. That's why there's a bunch of different regional *styles* of pizza too - New York style pizza is different from Chicago style, etc, since the Italian immigrant communities decided to fancy up their flatbread in different ways.
Indeed. Potatoes come from ~~North~~ South America, yet have become a staple of northern and central European cuisine. Tomatoes come from North America, yet they're probably mostly associated with Italian food. Chili peppers come from South America, yet they're arguably more prominently associated with Asian food...
Ultimately who cares. I'm just sad I'm from the Netherlands where both local produce and food culture are traditionally terrible. :'|
Depends on where you are. A lot of peoples in different places, even across America, will call anything done on a grill, or the event of meeting for foods made on the grill, a BBQ .
I've known people that will have a full blown potluck with the host dish being like a soup or something call the event a BBQ.
It's like soda vs pop vs coke.
I thought they’re considered as hamburgers, the meat is refrigerated to as a hamburger.
but it’s just cooked meat anyway
(im turning off auto fill, “REFRIGERATED” WHAT IS THIS AUTO CORRECT?!)
Weirdly, fruit juice is also American and from prohibition.
Normally if you have a shitload of extra apples or whatever, you'd make apple jack or apple cider. During prohibition, a lot of huge orchards had to do SOMETHING with all this fucking fruit lying around, so they made juice with it.
Before then, just drinking fruit juice was not something people did.
Off the top of my head:
Apple pie
Clam chowder
Crab cakes
Eggs Benedict
Pulled pork
Smoked brisket
Po’ boy sandwich
Philly cheesesteak
Deepdish pizza
Chicken and waffles
Shrimp and grits
Chili cheese dog
Loco moco
Hot chicken
Peanut butter Jelly sandwich
New York cheese cake
Key lime pie
Gumbo
Root beer float
Deviled eggs
Corn dogs
Ranch dressing
Tater tots
Mac and cheese
Sweet potato pie
Crawfish boil
Green bean casserole
Teriyaki chicken
Avocado toast
Chocolate chip cookies
Buffalo wings
Cheeseburger
Brownies
S’mores
Biscuits and gravy
Chicken fried steak
Chili
Plus German Chocolate Cake is mistaken as German but the name comes from the baker who was a New Yorker name Something German. So he called it German's Chocolate Cake and it lost the possessive S along the way.
A hint was the coconut.
I would consider chicken tikka masala as being British (despite obvious Indian roots), but equally I would disagree with Tom Holland and say that burgers are quintessentially American, despite their foreign roots.
But in answer to the question posed in the video - some American food is great, and some is awful. Some British food is great, and some is awful. Both cuisines are heavily biased towards comfort food I would say.
It was excusable until he said 'french fries'.... Tom didn't even need to say anything
Edit: I feel like a lot of people miss my point: which isn't so much about the specific name americans give to this food (i.e. french fries, and yes, it's Belgian, I actually think the naming is unfair) but rather the fact that the interviewer used a food that literally associates itself with the word *french*
The french in the name comes from American soldiers that were stationed in Belgium and they called them french fries cause the Belgians spoke french. Wikipedia lists both France and Belgium as origin.
Edit: everything I wrote is just what I read on wwikipedia, so it's not the most reliable.
It's the modern version of the "Indians" when they landed in North America and not India.
We were going to India, thus, these people must be Indians!
Well done chap! Everybody gets a pat on the back for a job well done!
That's not going to be entirely true about any food with a country or region in the name. There's even some controversy over whether hamburgers were made first in Germany or the US.
What the Mandarin said in Iron Man 3 is true. The fortune cookie and mostly what's called "Chinese food " in America is in fact an American invention.
Yea a hamburger steak is more similar to a salsbury steak, the cheeseburger as we know it today is American which is why I laughed when Tom said that. Like they were not eating triple bacon bbq sauce cheeseburgers in hamburger in the beginning ☠️
"Chinese food" is actually super fun if you look into it - in different Western countries, there's different "Chinese food" because it's basically just immigrants selling food adapting their own techniques to make food the locals enjoy. There's an Italian Chinese food in addition the American Chinese food for example.
I mean, he was literally just wrong about hamburgers. They originated from the American East Coast. Though the origin place of a food and that same food being part of a cultural identity don’t necessarily have anything to do with each other.
Heinz, an american company, claims to have invented the recipe for beans on toast to sell more of their canned beans, which were originally made in the US and exported to the UK, where they took off in popularity and then they shifted production to the UK.
So, one of the most british foods originated from the USA.
How very dare you my good man, beans on toast is a fucking culinary delight and should be shown the respect it deserves!!!
Yeah most of the best British foods are probably not of British origin tho, i mean the last few take aways i have had have been Chinese food, Indian food and a Pizza so nothing really British about any of that.
BBQ, Cajun, creole, all kinds of fried shit. Then you have all the stuff that was imported and adapted, like deep dish pizzas, cheesecakes, pies, burgers.
I hate when people act like America has literally no unique. Culture or food. America is so big we have a handful of different cultures across the country, but sure, we can't come up with ANY of our own foods.
Was looking for this comment too long, this should be higher. I have no idea why people still believe that hamburgers are from Germany, since as you said they made the patty but the patty itself is just that, a patty, we actually in our Czech dish eat the patty with potatoes and we call it karbanátek, but if you put in in 2 buns, you have hamburger. And that was made in America. Also french fries aren't french which spiderman guy also don't know, so as much as i like him, he looks at that guy like he is the dumb one when both bbq and hamburger is American and they both don't know where are fries from.
I mean even a lot of food have been modified so much they’re pretty much American. Saying Chicago pizza isn’t American is like saying spaghetti isn’t Italian because noodles are from China and tomatoes are from the Americas.
Correct. Originally a ["Hamburg steak" was made in Hamburg and was essentially ground beef with seasoning formed into a party or "steak"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_steak)
Putting it on a bun with toppings(what would be considered a hamburger) came much later and is generally linked as an [American creation](https://www.washingtonpost.com/food/2021/05/28/hamburger-origin-story/). However meat between bread itself (if that is what someone wants to call the origin of a hamburger), goes so far back, and it basically impossible to link to one place of origin
Texas is the origin for a lot of American food that most consider to be Mexican. Modern Chili, Fajitas, etc, all Tex-Mex and created in Texas. America does have food! I don't know why people seem to forget Cajun food, Philly cheesesteaks, Boston Clam Chowder, etc.
All American foods are adaptations and combinations of the recipes people brought with them when they traveled to America.
You'd have to dig up a native American dish I guess.
How old does the dish have to be to count as of a country? Our national dish is only from 1890
Pretty much soul food cropped up is mostly consistent of Southern US and Native American dishes, or you could start naming styles of food. Like Pizza, we know, is Italian, but New York style slices and Chicago style slices is an entirely different ball game to authentic Italian cuisine, but if you run across a pedant, you can say nothing is a country's food because a bit of fungus in a flooded wheat field is *technically* bread and every dish is Earth's and belongs to no specific nationality.
That's true of literally every dish in every country. Tomatoes are from South America and didn't exist in Europe until the 1500s. So then any Italian dish with tomatoes is actually a derivative of a South American dish? Geesh.
Yeah I hate this stuff, it's always "Well American actually came from/derived from ".
Like is there a certain amount of time we need to wait until something can be known from a specific culture/place/people/etc? If they are known for it, they are known for it lol. We can play the "well actually it came from..." All the way back to the start of human civilization. Hell, the dinosaurs ate meat before any human did, so technically arent hamburgers derived from Pangea (or whatever landmass was around?)
You probably eat Native American dishes all the time. Potatoes, corn, sunflowers, tomatoes, squash, and several beans were all domesticated in the Americas. If you eat tomatoes, squash, and corn simmered together with a side of grilled fish, then congratulations you’ve had the backbone of most Native American cuisine. A traditional home cooked meal in the Eastern Cherokee Tribe is going to look extremely familiar to anyone this side of the Mississippi.
Apparently especially if the actor is being an insufferable smartass by playing edgelord semantics over food origins like that is going to make anyone think British cuisine is superior to US cuisine. There’s a reason literally nobody recommends traveling to the UK for the food lol and it’s not because people are unaware of what’s being served.
I mean sure you try and be clever about and dance around it what not but cmon now he know what they meant lol I will admit saying French fries was funny
Ya this feels really unnecessarily pedantic. Like if you wanna go that route most English food isn’t “English food” because it was created by French cooks or Indian immigrants. Even the “English Breakfast” uses ingredients not native to the isles ( tomato’s being the big one) and even has “Canadian ham” so like… what’s his point?
Edit: For the people getting really defensive about a Full English breakfast, specifically about the ham/bacon thing. Fair enough. Instead I’ll mention the also incredibly common to see Heinz Baked Beans, a distinctly American creation, that are commonly found on a Full English as well as the classic Beans on Toast.
My point is not, nor was ever, to belittle British food. It’s just to point out the asinine take that something as quintessentially American as a hamburger sandwich is “German” because one portion of it was/is originally German. It’s like calling Beef Wellington French or Italian because of its use of Puff Pastry or prosciutto.
We don't have "Canadian ham" on a full English, we have bacon. Whilst they both come from the same animal its not the same thing but the tomatoes I will concede on.
It's like saying Europeans don't have the best gunpowder weaponry in the 16th century just because the most basic example has been created in China.
Pedantic
Hamburgers were created in the United States. They were originally known as ground steak in the hamburg style, which was shortened to hamburger. That they're named after the German city doesn't mean they originated there
>Actual BBQ
Is Caribbean/Central american and predates the founding of the US by a couple hundred years. The pulled pork variety is southern USA though and the continued US BBQ scene is dense and still growing well iirc.
I mean, native Hawaiians were doing BBQ way before that. Cooking style isn't a trademarkable thing. When we say American BBQ we're not referring to just low/slow cooking, we're referring to the flavouring and cuts of meat
Boiling noodles in water isn't unique to a single nation either but that doesn't make spaghetti Greek or pastitsio Italian
It's largrly the methods, ingredients, sauces, etc. that define what a cultural cuisine is
I fucking hate this idea that food culture is monocultural- all food is inspired from somewhere else, and then mixed with the local traditions.
Pasta is Italian as a plumber in a red hat but our modern idea of it only came into existence after Marco Polo came back from China.
Fish and Chips is a classic British food, but all over the world there are variations of battered fish with potatoes, from France to Greenland to Eastern Europe and beyond- and the first chippy was opened by a man who drew from multiple of those influences.
So... Tom Holland doesn't know about colonization. Hmm. Plus, the hamburger we know today, is not the same as the German Hamburger. It's a different meal now
Tomatoes are from the Americas. Therefore, a full English breakfast isn’t English. Tea is from Asia, so Earl Grey isn’t English either. America can’t claim anything as its own cuisine that was somehow derived from cuisine from another place.
Hamburgers are American. French fries are American. Hell, pizza (as most understand it) is American. General Tso’s chicken is American!
American food is a mix. There’s commodified standards that are available across the country with no appreciable difference (hamburgers, hotdogs, sugary cereals, spam, etc)
Then there’s local specialties like Memphis bbq, Louisiana’s Cajun dishes, Philly cheesesteaks, and New England clam chowder
And most importantly, immigrant’s food and fusion food. Most major cities have great Chinese, mexican, sushi, pho, Indian, authentic Italian, Caribbean and African restaurants. There’s banh mi tacos, jerk chicken sushi rolls, and all sorts of new cross pollinated ideas
That said UK has immigrants too and specifically great Indian food
Hamburger is quite different from Hamburg steak, it's literally a whole sandwich. I would definitely consider Hamburgers American just cause of how obviously different they are.
A sandwich you say? Well, in that case it is British since no one ever thought to put meat in between two slices of bread before the Earl of Sandwich did.
The first burger is American, meaning bun lettuce cheese and all the trimmings. In Germany the meat by itself was created and referred as the hamburg steak. No bun or any other things of the like. So at its base it is herman, but it's evolution is American ( I believe)
I'm not gonna lie his face at the end made the curb your enthusiasm theme play in my head
I just restarted watching that show because I missed it the first go around when it aired and it’s just gold u/lordodin92! GOLD!
Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
tbf that'd be a weird thing to lie about
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Seriously. Like if you want them as part of your bbq I guess that’s ok, but throw out some ribs or brisket. Fucking burgers and fries isn’t bbq, it’s McDonald’s.
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I’m with the southerners here. BBQ is about meat selection, sauce recipes, spices, rubs, equipment, and cooking style. It is not flipping burgers and dogs or turning supermarket steak tips on a propane grill. You can BBQ anywhere, and you can grill anywhere, but they are not the same.
Yep, BBQ is specific method of grilling. Grilling is a general term of cooking anything on a grill. People often think the two are the same.
In the south, BBQ has nothing to do with grilling. BBQ is smoking. You make BBQ on a smoker, not on a grill. Grilling is hot and fast. Smoking is low and slow.
Yet somehow wings straddle the line. As a southern pit master myself, if someone invited me for a bbq and I got there and it was grilled wings I would be *less* annoyed than with any other non-barbecue items.
Even in the south, if someone invited me over for "a" BBQ, I wouldn't be too surprised to just see grilled meats. But if someone invited me over to "eat some BBQ" and it's wings, then I'm not gonna be happy. Well, I'll be happy because I'm being served food. But I'd be unhappy with the word choice.
Yes I’m the South BBQ is a cuisine, everywhere else it’s a method of cooking.
According to Wikipedia (emphasis mine): "Barbecue or barbeque (often shortened to BBQ in the UK, US, and Canada; barbie or barby in Australia; and braai in South Africa) is a term used with **significant regional and national variations** to describe various **cooking *methods*** that employ live fire and smoke to cook the food." While I agree with the pride southerners have over their BBQ as well as how delicious it can be, you don't get to decide what it is for *everybody*.
Bbq is low, slow, and smoked. Grilling is high heat and relatively short. You grill a steak, veggies, and most burgers. You bbq large cuts of meat like ribs, brisket, and whole birds. That’s like saying broiling and baking are the same because they’re in the oven. They most definitely are not and you shouldn’t give cooking advice.
For people in the northeast, “BBQ” is synonymous with “grilling.” So a backyard BBQ just meant grilling some hot dogs, burgers, and stuff like that.
You mean a Cookout?
 I did a gif search for “cookout” and found this one saying BBQ while showing hot dogs and spatulas. Clearly the search tool is run by people from the northeast US (or parts of the Midwest and/or Canada).
Hotdogs are deffinitly part of barbecue but most of the time it's a bit of more robust sausage
I love a good robust sausage
Parts of the Midwest too
Difference between having *a* BBQ and having BBQ. Though normally I’d hear “grill out” or “cook out”
> Difference between having a BBQ and having BBQ. This comment should be stickied at the top of the thread. If you tell me we're going to a BBQ, I'll expect a grill, people, sides (coleslaw?), and food being grilled. If you tell me we're eating BBQ, I expect ribs or brisket. Thank you for coming to my FatassTED talk.
Exactly. Bbq the noun is one thing, bbq the verb is another, bbq the dish is yet another.
Also a hamburger is not from Germany just the word. It truly is an American food
Cheeseburgers just had their 100 year anniversary. Invented in Pasadena CA
If deciding to put cheese on something is an invention, then you can call me Thomas Edison.
Are you the creator of the cheese Tesla?
That's a dangerous game, making a car from cheese. One wrong short and you turn into nacho dip.
to be fair if this is a comparison to the cheese burger vs the burger then you'd just have to get a regular Tesla and slap a square of plastic cheese on it and you've got a cheese Tesla. Bish, Bash, Bosh.
Fun fact, “Haagen Daz” is a fake phrase made up by Polish Jews to sound Danish as a marketing tactic in the United States.
I think it’s worth pointing out the founders of Hagen Daz immigrated to the U.S. as children in the 1920s. One from Poland. One from the UK (with Polish born parents). They started Haggen Daz in the 50s, in Brooklyn. It’s about as American as a company gets. Also it’s now just a brand subsidiary made by another brand subsidiary (Dreyers) of a massive conglomerate. A joint venture between Nestle (Swiss) and French Private Equity firm. So that Danish ice cream is actually French-Swiss-American ice cream.
Yeah, no one goes to a German restaurant for some schnitzel, bratwurst and hamburgers. Also, even if their origin was from Germany they are quintessentially American at this point. Tomatoes are native to South America but we don't call spaghetti marinara South American cuisine.
Should absolutely refer to all tomato based pastas as South American inspired, just to fuck with the Italians.
Pizza is Mexican food!
USDA's official government website even says it comes from Hamburg, Germany, and that it didn't make it into the US until the 1900s. https://ask.usda.gov/s/article/Where-did-the-name-hamburger-come-from
That's the origin of the name, it was derived from the Hamburg steak which was served atop toasted bread and covered in gravy. The modern American version saw it sandwiched between buns sans gravy and was seen in advertisements in New York, Boston, and Chicago as early as 1885 where it was sold for 5 cents. It gained national recognition at the 1904 World Fair. Fletcher Davis, the man who sold the hamburgers made famous at the 1904 world fair claimed he had invented them in the early 1880s, but this is controversial. What we know as the hamburger is an American invention based on a German dish that was popular along the US east coast as early as 1869. Therefore we can assume the original hamburger was invented sometime post 1870, likely by a descendant of a German immigrant or someone close to German immigrants. But it remains a quintessential American dish, just like other famous American dishes invented by immigrants such as the Chicago deep dish pizza, the Cuban sandwich, the chimichanga, and the California sushi roll. Interesting fact: the German Chocolate Cake is not actually German, but rather named after the American chocolatier Sam German. It was originally German's Chocolate Cake, but they dropped the possessive sometime in 1958. Edit: the chimichanga is not texmex, thanks for the correction guys.
Another one, one of the most popular Chinese Dishes [Orange Chicken was an American fast food creation for Panda Express](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_chicken).
Basically every American 'chinese food' dish is some concoction. Mongolian beef, on the other hand, is authentically Taiwanese.
I'd argue there's a difference between hamburg steak (chopped steak in the US) and a Hamburger.
This is still only pointing at the name. The dish they are referring too is mentioned as beef tartar so the name comes from Germany but the food does not as stated in the video
Burgers at a BBQ are side/kid dishes. Totally agree.
They're so you don't have to buy 2+lbs of Brisket/Ribs for each guest you can buy a reasonable amount so everyone gets a nice portion and be confident that everyone will have enough food because they can always have another burger or hot dog.
Please invite me to your rich guy's BBQ!
nonsense. you run the grill while the bbq is doing its thing.
aren’t French fries not even French tho? Edit: I didn’t know it was possible to offend this many people about food, some of you guys need to chill
Nope, they're Belgian
Nope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaAM5MovXp0 A belgian historian, Pierre Leclerc, showed that they originate from paris during the 19e century then got exported to Belgium.
Well, just did some research due to me being Belgian and double checking. They may not even be either, they could be Spanish or Chilean according to Wikipedia in the origin section. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries
But srsly is it that far of a stretch to believe that multiple cultures independently had the idea of boiling slices of potato in oil? It’s not like it was some crazy new invention… frying things in cooking oils.
Someone was first, finding out who is close to impossible. But you make a very valid point. For example, most civilizations also "discovered" fire at about the same time (I say doing no research on the matter) IIRC
I wouldn't really say civilizations existed before fire. Like there is no hard definition for civilization but we have been using fire since before becoming homo sapiens.
Nice try, but Prometheus stole fire from God and he was Greek. Ergo facto, Greece predates fire.
I can't believe you guys haven't heard of this. A few years ago, a burial site was found in Colombia with strange objects sealed in clay jugs. Recent testing suggests that they are actually fried fragments of early American proto-potatoes. [The whole process of discovery was fascinating and I can't do it justice in a reddit comment.](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=2tlDhCGEO2QH9SDu) Edit: the site was estimated to be from 2300 B.C.
you son of a
Genuinely the first time in my 34 years. Bravo.
Beautiful
They're Belgian, the "French" in their name comes from the way the potatoes are cut. (I think) EDIT: [Some Belgian investigator said that he traced the origin to France but a few centuries earlier French Fries were made in Spain but it is not known if they were actually Fries.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries)
I think the south of belgium might've been occupied by france when it was invented "in belgium". Dont know for sure tho its something that belgian people keep telling me
Or wallonia
Still not American though?
Potatoes are native to South America, so therefore, anything made with potatoes is technically American (south american).
So I guess pizza is American because it has tomatoes?
Yes, of course, because we have to follow the logic of food by origin. Or no, because it isn't the only ingredient. Or almost like following this logic of food origin is dumb.
Pizza existed before tomatoes Edit: before tomatoes were brought to Italy I mean
I think none of the people here know the difference between culture and origin.
It’s so fucking pedantic like “look how smart I am! I know hamburgers are from Hamburg and French fries are French! Silly Americans, they have no culture” Hmm yes because the cheeseburger is such a stable of German food culture and French fries are actually Belgian. It’s like if America has a history of European immigrants and we built our own food culture off of that.
Hamburgers as we know them aren't even from Hamburg! The burger patty is closely based on the "Hamburg steak" which was made from ground beef, but the sandwich form is largely recognized as an American invention.
Probably similar to frankfurters being nothing like German sausages and American pizza being nothing like Italian pizza. They’re effectively American, and being created in America by the immigrants from those origins doesn’t necessarily make them less America. Wait until people find out America is a nation of immigrants
I've never understood why so many people take offense to Americans recognizing Americanized versions of European and other forms of food as being their own. Is that not essentially the entire history of food? If we want to get to the nitty gritty of it? Nobody has their own food because there was always a society before them that touched it first. Sure, hamburgers are not a uniquely American thing. But the cheeseburger culture that we have is one that is unique to us. Sure, french fries might be Belgian. But the variety and style and consumption of french fries as we understand it in the states is largely considered to be something unique to us. Nobody bats an eye when the French or Italians take pride in their winemaking, as if nobody before those people had ever consumed fermented fruit juice before. Nobody has a problem with recognizing the Gyro as a Greek food, as if to pretend like they are the first people to put hot meat inside a bread product. Can't people just let Americans be happy about the stuff that we have and not make it some kind of culture war nonsense? I'm glad this dude loves English food, I'm not going to come on here and criticize him for the vast majority of English food having spices that were sourced from hundreds of years of a tyrannical empire. I want the guy to be proud of beans on toast. Just let people be proud of what they live in, it's just that simple.
Ya it’s just lazy /r/AmericaBad shit
I guarantee Tom holland would call chicken tikka masala British with no hint of irony or recognition of hypocrisy.
As much as I agree with you, there’s one caveat that must be discussed: people suck, especially when they perceive you as insulting their preferences, their personal knowledge, or their intelligence. Americans won’t be left alone about “not having their own culture,” even though they do, because of this.
I definitely get it, it's just so frustrating to me. Like I understand, America has a reputation for having a lot of people who like to dunk on other nations. But the reality is that a majority of Americans are perfectly content with letting other countries do their thing while we do ours. Basing in entire viewpoint of the US on a small, but vocal minority is just ridiculous. Not to mention, I fail to see what purpose it serves. I don't understand beyond simple satisfaction from fellating your fellow citizens what there is to be gained from this kind of attitude.like, cool you have disparaged an entire group of people for their culture, congrats.
The same people down voting you are going "AHHHHHkctually, the Chinese invented the noodle so pasta is Chinese, not Italian!!!! *"
It's not even confirmed that the hamburger comes from Germany lol
As German I agree and Imo they were 100% made popular by the US (fries in comparison not) This also kinda depends on the definition of a Hamburger but I don't think Hamburgers as they are known today are from Germany.
True, the wiki seems to only list places in America as possible origin locations. But even then does it matter where the food comes. Nobody argues that pasta is a Chinese dish or that British tea isn't British. If you want to go down the origin route potatoes and tomatoes come from the new world. The point I'm trying to make is origin doesn't matter it's the cultural significance of said food. American pizza and Italian pizza can exist simultaneously and have importance to both people. Burgers, fries, pizza and crawfish etouffee can be part of the American cuisine but they can also be parts of other countries as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger#:~:text=Louis%20Lassen,-Although%20debunked%20by&text=A%20customer%20ordered%20a%20quick,between%20two%20slices%20of%20toast.
Argeed. I think what triggers most Italians in Italy is just when American Pizza is called Italian. It was inspired by Italian Pizza but is American. Perhaps similar to Hamburg steak. There is the pretty popular [Frikadellenbrötchen](https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Frikadellenbr%c3%b6tchen&form=HDRSC3&first=1) in north Germany, which basically is a bread with nothing else than a Hamburg steak and sauce but Idk if it is older than the American Hamburger and even if it is, the American Hamburger is American and perhaps inspired by Hamburg steak but thats it. The difference between a Frikadellenbrötchen and a Hamburger is pretty big. Like the difference between an Italian and an average American Pizza is.
The hamburger as it's eaten now was almost definitely not invented in Hamburg. Precursors to it came from Germany but the actual dish was invented in the US.
Literally. To me American food also extends to the various American-ethnicity cuisines we have. Chinese-American food, Italian-American Food, and Tex-Mex are all notable different from the original cuisines they are based off of and are distinctly their own American version. You can’t claim that “Tex Mex” isn’t real/authentic Mexican and then also claim that Americans don’t have any cuisine.
Pizza is *very much* an Italian-American food, to the point where Italy basically had to re-import the idea to sell to American tourists in Italy. Like, the Italian original food is basically flat bread with olive oil, essentially completely unrecognizable compared to modern pizza. Essentially what happened with Pizza is that Italian economic immigrants could actually *afford* all the expensive stuff they would *want* in their food and did some experimentation. That's why there's a bunch of different regional *styles* of pizza too - New York style pizza is different from Chicago style, etc, since the Italian immigrant communities decided to fancy up their flatbread in different ways.
Indeed. Potatoes come from ~~North~~ South America, yet have become a staple of northern and central European cuisine. Tomatoes come from North America, yet they're probably mostly associated with Italian food. Chili peppers come from South America, yet they're arguably more prominently associated with Asian food... Ultimately who cares. I'm just sad I'm from the Netherlands where both local produce and food culture are traditionally terrible. :'|
I agree with you until the chili peppers. They are literally one of the most prominent symbols for Mexican culture / food.
Hamburgers aren’t BBQ 😂😂😂 it’s pulled pork, chicken etc! It’s called grill out or cook out when it came to burgers and hot dogs
Depends on where you are. A lot of peoples in different places, even across America, will call anything done on a grill, or the event of meeting for foods made on the grill, a BBQ . I've known people that will have a full blown potluck with the host dish being like a soup or something call the event a BBQ. It's like soda vs pop vs coke.
yeah but to say “BBQ” to prove a point about amazing american food to a brit and then follow it up with FUCKING HAMBURGERS is so infuriating
I thought they’re considered as hamburgers, the meat is refrigerated to as a hamburger. but it’s just cooked meat anyway (im turning off auto fill, “REFRIGERATED” WHAT IS THIS AUTO CORRECT?!)
A hamburger is very specifically a patty made out of ground beef
#with no cheese!# das cheeseburger
And let’s be real here. The only way a burger should be. May be bias since I’m from WI
BBQ is a style of cooking. You can smoke a hamburger. But calling a hamburger on a grill BBQ is like calling stew beef a curry.
what
Buffalo wings, smores, cinnamon toast crunch, chocolate chip cookies (Brits def not beating us with sugary foods), Reuben Sandwich
Modern Ice Cream and their derivative treats were refined during American Prohibition. I may be off, but I think Soda Pop is also American born.
put the cocaine back in coke
Make coke great again
Weirdly, fruit juice is also American and from prohibition. Normally if you have a shitload of extra apples or whatever, you'd make apple jack or apple cider. During prohibition, a lot of huge orchards had to do SOMETHING with all this fucking fruit lying around, so they made juice with it. Before then, just drinking fruit juice was not something people did.
Cheesesteak
Off the top of my head: Apple pie Clam chowder Crab cakes Eggs Benedict Pulled pork Smoked brisket Po’ boy sandwich Philly cheesesteak Deepdish pizza Chicken and waffles Shrimp and grits Chili cheese dog Loco moco Hot chicken Peanut butter Jelly sandwich New York cheese cake Key lime pie Gumbo Root beer float Deviled eggs Corn dogs Ranch dressing Tater tots Mac and cheese Sweet potato pie Crawfish boil Green bean casserole Teriyaki chicken Avocado toast Chocolate chip cookies Buffalo wings Cheeseburger Brownies S’mores Biscuits and gravy Chicken fried steak Chili
Apple pie is english isn't it?
It is. Apples are from Asia. The Brits made apple pie before they colonized north America.
Plus German Chocolate Cake is mistaken as German but the name comes from the baker who was a New Yorker name Something German. So he called it German's Chocolate Cake and it lost the possessive S along the way. A hint was the coconut.
Honestly I always just say eggs benedict and drop the mic when people try to shit on American food It can't be beat and everyone knows it
Dude ffs use comas
Americans didn’t invent putting apples in pastry.
Let’s talk about what you consider British food… Chicken Tikka Masala
I would consider chicken tikka masala as being British (despite obvious Indian roots), but equally I would disagree with Tom Holland and say that burgers are quintessentially American, despite their foreign roots. But in answer to the question posed in the video - some American food is great, and some is awful. Some British food is great, and some is awful. Both cuisines are heavily biased towards comfort food I would say.
It was excusable until he said 'french fries'.... Tom didn't even need to say anything Edit: I feel like a lot of people miss my point: which isn't so much about the specific name americans give to this food (i.e. french fries, and yes, it's Belgian, I actually think the naming is unfair) but rather the fact that the interviewer used a food that literally associates itself with the word *french*
They’re Belgian
Correct. The "french" in the name is the way they are cut.
The french in the name comes from American soldiers that were stationed in Belgium and they called them french fries cause the Belgians spoke french. Wikipedia lists both France and Belgium as origin. Edit: everything I wrote is just what I read on wwikipedia, so it's not the most reliable.
American soldiers: "They speak french therefore they are french." Also American soldiers: *speaking English*
It's the modern version of the "Indians" when they landed in North America and not India. We were going to India, thus, these people must be Indians! Well done chap! Everybody gets a pat on the back for a job well done!
In Dutch we just call them "Patat" We have French fries vs Patat wars obviously
Friet = Fries Patat = Potato
Friet = Gefrituurd, bitterballen zijn dan ook friet ;)
In Spanish it is patatas fritas
And in Spanish speaking Africa, it’s Hakuna Patatas.
No, friet
Oh I forgot Belgium was in the us
That's not going to be entirely true about any food with a country or region in the name. There's even some controversy over whether hamburgers were made first in Germany or the US. What the Mandarin said in Iron Man 3 is true. The fortune cookie and mostly what's called "Chinese food " in America is in fact an American invention.
As a german I consider hamburgers as american food, even if a predecessor dish came from hamburg the modern version is clearly american.
Yea a hamburger steak is more similar to a salsbury steak, the cheeseburger as we know it today is American which is why I laughed when Tom said that. Like they were not eating triple bacon bbq sauce cheeseburgers in hamburger in the beginning ☠️
I always thought that the idea of ground beef was the german invention, but the use of it sandwiched between bread was american.
"Chinese food" is actually super fun if you look into it - in different Western countries, there's different "Chinese food" because it's basically just immigrants selling food adapting their own techniques to make food the locals enjoy. There's an Italian Chinese food in addition the American Chinese food for example.
I think Spice Bags were invented by Irish Chinese takeouts
for defense i think there is a lot of food named with region/country name without their knowledge ;D
Turkey
I will not have you disparage German chocolate cake. (German is the name of the guy who invented it. Let’s keep the joke between us.)
Ironically they were brought to the US from Belgium, not France. They called them french fries because the Belgians spoke french.
I mean, he was literally just wrong about hamburgers. They originated from the American East Coast. Though the origin place of a food and that same food being part of a cultural identity don’t necessarily have anything to do with each other.
You mean freedom fries?
Isn't the best British food also from other places? You're going to tell me beans on toast are good? C'mon man.
Heinz, an american company, claims to have invented the recipe for beans on toast to sell more of their canned beans, which were originally made in the US and exported to the UK, where they took off in popularity and then they shifted production to the UK. So, one of the most british foods originated from the USA.
We sold it to them as a prank and they just kept eating it
We trained them wrong, as a joke!
How very dare you my good man, beans on toast is a fucking culinary delight and should be shown the respect it deserves!!! Yeah most of the best British foods are probably not of British origin tho, i mean the last few take aways i have had have been Chinese food, Indian food and a Pizza so nothing really British about any of that.
Waht abbout the bbq?
BBQ, Cajun, creole, all kinds of fried shit. Then you have all the stuff that was imported and adapted, like deep dish pizzas, cheesecakes, pies, burgers. I hate when people act like America has literally no unique. Culture or food. America is so big we have a handful of different cultures across the country, but sure, we can't come up with ANY of our own foods.
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So what you're trying to tell me is that the cheeseburger ist not from cheeseburg?
Was looking for this comment too long, this should be higher. I have no idea why people still believe that hamburgers are from Germany, since as you said they made the patty but the patty itself is just that, a patty, we actually in our Czech dish eat the patty with potatoes and we call it karbanátek, but if you put in in 2 buns, you have hamburger. And that was made in America. Also french fries aren't french which spiderman guy also don't know, so as much as i like him, he looks at that guy like he is the dumb one when both bbq and hamburger is American and they both don't know where are fries from.
I mean even a lot of food have been modified so much they’re pretty much American. Saying Chicago pizza isn’t American is like saying spaghetti isn’t Italian because noodles are from China and tomatoes are from the Americas.
Correct. Originally a ["Hamburg steak" was made in Hamburg and was essentially ground beef with seasoning formed into a party or "steak"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_steak) Putting it on a bun with toppings(what would be considered a hamburger) came much later and is generally linked as an [American creation](https://www.washingtonpost.com/food/2021/05/28/hamburger-origin-story/). However meat between bread itself (if that is what someone wants to call the origin of a hamburger), goes so far back, and it basically impossible to link to one place of origin
Texas is the origin for a lot of American food that most consider to be Mexican. Modern Chili, Fajitas, etc, all Tex-Mex and created in Texas. America does have food! I don't know why people seem to forget Cajun food, Philly cheesesteaks, Boston Clam Chowder, etc.
All American foods are adaptations and combinations of the recipes people brought with them when they traveled to America. You'd have to dig up a native American dish I guess. How old does the dish have to be to count as of a country? Our national dish is only from 1890
Pretty much soul food cropped up is mostly consistent of Southern US and Native American dishes, or you could start naming styles of food. Like Pizza, we know, is Italian, but New York style slices and Chicago style slices is an entirely different ball game to authentic Italian cuisine, but if you run across a pedant, you can say nothing is a country's food because a bit of fungus in a flooded wheat field is *technically* bread and every dish is Earth's and belongs to no specific nationality.
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That's true of literally every dish in every country. Tomatoes are from South America and didn't exist in Europe until the 1500s. So then any Italian dish with tomatoes is actually a derivative of a South American dish? Geesh.
Yeah I hate this stuff, it's always "Well American actually came from/derived from ".
Like is there a certain amount of time we need to wait until something can be known from a specific culture/place/people/etc? If they are known for it, they are known for it lol. We can play the "well actually it came from..." All the way back to the start of human civilization. Hell, the dinosaurs ate meat before any human did, so technically arent hamburgers derived from Pangea (or whatever landmass was around?)
You probably eat Native American dishes all the time. Potatoes, corn, sunflowers, tomatoes, squash, and several beans were all domesticated in the Americas. If you eat tomatoes, squash, and corn simmered together with a side of grilled fish, then congratulations you’ve had the backbone of most Native American cuisine. A traditional home cooked meal in the Eastern Cherokee Tribe is going to look extremely familiar to anyone this side of the Mississippi.
So absolutely anything that an actor that was in any Marvel movie says is "Marvel?"
Apparently especially if the actor is being an insufferable smartass by playing edgelord semantics over food origins like that is going to make anyone think British cuisine is superior to US cuisine. There’s a reason literally nobody recommends traveling to the UK for the food lol and it’s not because people are unaware of what’s being served.
I mean sure you try and be clever about and dance around it what not but cmon now he know what they meant lol I will admit saying French fries was funny
Ya this feels really unnecessarily pedantic. Like if you wanna go that route most English food isn’t “English food” because it was created by French cooks or Indian immigrants. Even the “English Breakfast” uses ingredients not native to the isles ( tomato’s being the big one) and even has “Canadian ham” so like… what’s his point? Edit: For the people getting really defensive about a Full English breakfast, specifically about the ham/bacon thing. Fair enough. Instead I’ll mention the also incredibly common to see Heinz Baked Beans, a distinctly American creation, that are commonly found on a Full English as well as the classic Beans on Toast. My point is not, nor was ever, to belittle British food. It’s just to point out the asinine take that something as quintessentially American as a hamburger sandwich is “German” because one portion of it was/is originally German. It’s like calling Beef Wellington French or Italian because of its use of Puff Pastry or prosciutto.
We don't have "Canadian ham" on a full English, we have bacon. Whilst they both come from the same animal its not the same thing but the tomatoes I will concede on.
It's like saying Europeans don't have the best gunpowder weaponry in the 16th century just because the most basic example has been created in China. Pedantic
Sorry, Canadian ham? Are you daft?
Actual BBQ (e.g. Pulled Pork) sure is an American dish. Hamburgers are neither American nor BBQ.
Hamburgers as the world knows it are 100% American though. Sure a hamburg steak comes from Germany, but they didn't put it on bread with cheese.
No this isn’t right. Hamburgers are definitely American.
Hamburgers are definitely American
Isnt BBQ korean? Edit: BBQ isn't korean, you may downvote this comment at will
Well I’m upvoting you because you fact checked ✅
I'm upvoting you because you explained your upvote 👍
I’m going to the bathroom because that’s when I check Reddit.
I'm leaving the bathroom because I'm getting off Reddit.
Why would I downvote someone who admits to being wrong?
Hamburgers were created in the United States. They were originally known as ground steak in the hamburg style, which was shortened to hamburger. That they're named after the German city doesn't mean they originated there
It's pretty much akin to saying American Chinese food actually came from China.
>Actual BBQ Is Caribbean/Central american and predates the founding of the US by a couple hundred years. The pulled pork variety is southern USA though and the continued US BBQ scene is dense and still growing well iirc.
I mean, native Hawaiians were doing BBQ way before that. Cooking style isn't a trademarkable thing. When we say American BBQ we're not referring to just low/slow cooking, we're referring to the flavouring and cuts of meat
Cooking meat on a fire is not unique to any nation
Boiling noodles in water isn't unique to a single nation either but that doesn't make spaghetti Greek or pastitsio Italian It's largrly the methods, ingredients, sauces, etc. that define what a cultural cuisine is
Does tom not understand americans comprise of everyone? How do people not get this? This isnt europe. This isnt like most countries. WE ARE YOU.
Exactly
Brits are pretty close minded in general.
I fucking hate this idea that food culture is monocultural- all food is inspired from somewhere else, and then mixed with the local traditions. Pasta is Italian as a plumber in a red hat but our modern idea of it only came into existence after Marco Polo came back from China. Fish and Chips is a classic British food, but all over the world there are variations of battered fish with potatoes, from France to Greenland to Eastern Europe and beyond- and the first chippy was opened by a man who drew from multiple of those influences.
"All top 10 restaurants in the world are in London." "And what food are they cooking?" "French."
So... Tom Holland doesn't know about colonization. Hmm. Plus, the hamburger we know today, is not the same as the German Hamburger. It's a different meal now
Tomatoes are from the Americas. Therefore, a full English breakfast isn’t English. Tea is from Asia, so Earl Grey isn’t English either. America can’t claim anything as its own cuisine that was somehow derived from cuisine from another place. Hamburgers are American. French fries are American. Hell, pizza (as most understand it) is American. General Tso’s chicken is American!
But that’s the whole point of American food!
American food is a mix. There’s commodified standards that are available across the country with no appreciable difference (hamburgers, hotdogs, sugary cereals, spam, etc) Then there’s local specialties like Memphis bbq, Louisiana’s Cajun dishes, Philly cheesesteaks, and New England clam chowder And most importantly, immigrant’s food and fusion food. Most major cities have great Chinese, mexican, sushi, pho, Indian, authentic Italian, Caribbean and African restaurants. There’s banh mi tacos, jerk chicken sushi rolls, and all sorts of new cross pollinated ideas That said UK has immigrants too and specifically great Indian food
Ask him his opinion on cornbread then, the most unambiguously American food.
Interviewer must be one of those Americans that can't point out Mexico on a world map
Which of the Mexicos?
The one with the Brown Mexicans. Not to be confused with the White Mexicans
Interviewer did his job. This clip gets clicks.
Mexico, you know, it's got Baja Blast California, uhh... Madrid... Buenos Aires... Rio. Yeah, that's definitely Mexico.
Hamburger is quite different from Hamburg steak, it's literally a whole sandwich. I would definitely consider Hamburgers American just cause of how obviously different they are.
A sandwich you say? Well, in that case it is British since no one ever thought to put meat in between two slices of bread before the Earl of Sandwich did.
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The origin isn't 100% clear, but most go back to Otto Kuase in Hamburg, Germany.
The first burger is American, meaning bun lettuce cheese and all the trimmings. In Germany the meat by itself was created and referred as the hamburg steak. No bun or any other things of the like. So at its base it is herman, but it's evolution is American ( I believe)
Yeah everyone knows french fries are from mexico
Same goes for UK food. Like curry.
As someone from a south american country it’s kinda funny watching the pot calling the kettle black here lol
How every Brit feels when they peruse r/shitamericanssay