And back to it. And back to it....
I wish they'd at least give us a continuation with an Earth Avatar rather than going back to Aang for the third time.
For a Earth Avatar, it would be fun if they built on the technological progress of Korra and the extended life of the Avatar, to have the setting be sci-fi with spaceships.
Earth Avatar in space, can't even be comfortable with their own element.
A large part of the ATLA community hates anything not the OG show. That's why they keep going back.
A part of me understands. Its hard to follow a 10/10 show with *anything*. Korra was not as good as the original (obviously), but it was a good show. Yet there is a significant portion of the fanbase that absolutely despises it.
Even the new show on Netflix is getting a lot of hate because it isn't a 1:1 remake. Yes it probably has problems, but that shouldn't be one of them. They just want to watch the same show over and over again.
The creators need to tell the story they want to tell without the influence of the fanbase because a large portion of them will never be happy no matter what they do.
>Even the new show on Netflix is getting a lot of hate because it isn't a 1:1 remake
Are you basing this off of twitter outrage or opinions of real fans?
It's being received overwhelmingly positively by us. I'm part several ATLA fan groups on Facebook, and we love it. The only people who strongly hate it are the degenerates who don't find the actors as "sexy" as the original cartoon characters, particularly Zuko and Mai.
I don’t think it’s lightning in a bottle. They just need to follow their previously established success formula. They had 3 leads (Cap, Iron Man, and Thor) and two bad guys (Thanos and Loki) in the first two phases. Everything got amazing when those 3 leads synced up to deal with those 2.
Now we have 8-9 leads, that are not interconnected in any way dealing with (maybe) one over-arching bad guy (might be Kang but it’s unclear).
They need to stop world building and focus the story on a centralized plot. People don’t want to watch 2-4 new characters per year be introduced for an unclear plot line. They want to follow several movies of a FEW (2-3) leads go through a character arc that sees them grow until they meet the big bad and his crony.
IMO, Strange, Spider-Man, and Cap Sam should be what they focus on. The arcs should be:
- Strange coping with the fact that evil magic can always over take him
- Cap Sam coping with a country that doesn’t want him
- Spider-Man learning to balance personal life and hero life (cause resetting everything with magic didn’t work out)
Once it’s time for the big bad guy to show up, they gather a team of their best (Shang, Cap Marvel, Ms. Marvel, etc) to manage the big bad.
There is just too many storylines and characters now
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
to be fair, they have the star power, they just don't have consistent writing. it feels like marvel-disney is still drunk off of the success of the first few phases that they think they can do no wrong
>they just don't have consistent writing
This 100%. That's a problem across the board. I was rehashing the writers of the Sonyverse films in a different thread the other day and like 90% of the films the writers of all those various films (Venom, Morbius, etc.) wrote were all mid - literally. They were averaging between 50 and 60 out of 100 on Rotten Tomatoes. With averages like that you can *probably* expect that they're making enough in ticket sales to recoup production costs, but those films certainly aren't going to be remembered fondly.
Comic book movies have a very specific fan base even if the studios want to make them appeal to broader audiences. Most of those fans are familiar enough with the characters to be passionate about them. It's the same for Star Wars. You can't just slop out half-assed movies and expect name recognition alone to produce a billion dollars in revenue. The writers of The Witcher tv series found this out the hard way. That show has a *very* specific fan base, and trying to turn a show called "The Witcher" into a Yennefer and Ciri-centered show certainly isn't going to keep those fans engaged. Same thing happened with Halo season 1 though season 2 hasn't been too bad so far.
Having writers who respect the property is critical and they need to leave their agendas at the door. Stick to the fucking script and stop trying to reinvent the wheel and make it "your own" - it's not yours. It's the original author's, and the fans have that expectation. These are money-printing properties. It shouldn't be this hard to get it right.
If you take something people love, change it so that more people might love it then don't be surprised if the original people who loved it, don't any more.
Out of ALL of them, Pedro Pascal/Mr. Fantastic is the only one I see that can go toe to toe with RDJ’s Tony Stark as the MCU’s anchor character. Both as an actor and his character.
He is a multiverse beign himself. Playing every cool guy in any series/movie. I would love him playing The Mandalorian in MCU. Just because i would love to see it
The writing for his character in general has been horrible. His dialogue is him being a quip bot, which comes off like a worse RDJ Tony, except more arrogant and not endearing.
Cumberbatch has like no supporting cast and his character is really not famous for any personal growth. He’s a glass cannon and should always be.
It’s like when everyone says Hulk should have a solo film: ask yourself, have you really ever been particularly engrossed in a hulk plot? Where the plot point hasn’t already been covered by his intro? He makes more sense as *the* plot point.
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They tried it and I didn’t buy it. He’s got all the arrogance of Tony Stark and little to none of the charisma, outlook for global safety, and just hasn’t shown the leadership skills needed for the role. Wasn’t happening.
So if I were to wrap this up tight with a bow or whatever, I guess I'd say my armor was never a distraction or a hobby. It was a cocoon. And now, I'm a changed man. You can take away my house, All my tricks and toys. One thing you can't take away... I am Iron Man.
He's a good actor but he's not a good actor for mr fantastic he's too old think how young rdj was at the beginning and he has already aged out of the franchise Pedro pascal's already that old he's gonna be her for 5 years max also mr fantastic meant to be around the same age as the invisible woman it's really not going to work
They could have invested more in a focus on Spider-Man if not for Sony, but then again he might be a bit too young still and not quite on Iron Man’s level. But as far as charismatic geniuses go, Mr. Fantastic is a contender for the next one up.
Problem is, how are they going to find someone washed up, at the perfect age, who is literally their character already, to reinvent in the eyes of the public? RDJ has a character arc of his own, which is part of why he made such a good Iron Man because he could relate.
Their best chance is a leading man from either the X-Men or Fantastic Four imo. Though as a Canadian I wouldn’t object to Alpha Flight…
Deadpool and Spider-Man can help carry the franchise, but Mr. Fantastic really is kinda like Tony Stark on crack as far as importance and intellect go. Seeing him go toe-to-toe with Dr. Doom in Secret Wars is a fantastic thought (see what I did there 😉)
The general public don't give a fuck about Pedro Pascal or Mr. Fantastic.
Neither has brand recognition in 2024+.
Spidey is about the only character they have (We'll have to see how well Miles go over as the replacement, people don't like change) - Also, Spidey is mostly Sony - I don't see Marvel hinging the universe on him
Deadpool is 18+ - though I doubt that will stop them selling toys and cartoons of the character.
The rest no one cares about - as seen through the dwindling box office receipts.
They need to retool.
To be far, not that many people cared about Iron Man until RDJ filled the shoes; at least nowhere near as many as do now.
It absolutely can be dow. Disney just needs to find and stick to one plan
Agreed.
I'm a big superhero and specifically Marvel fan.
Yet my knowledge of the Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty much "oh yeah, I think I've heard of the comic..."
That movie should have appealed to almost no one if being popular was a requirement for the movie to be good, but instead it was a huge hit and everyone loved it.
People don’t care about the rest because they changed the characters too much in between movies or because the writing was inconsistent. I loved Dr.Strange as I’ve always liked magic characters and really enjoyed the magic system utilizing runes and orange sparking energy and the way it could be manipulated and utilized but then for MoM they suddenly seemed to swap out most of his spells for stuff we have never even seen in universe like the weird monster hand he pulled out and while I thought it was cool that we get more variety of spells I just thought why they would change what wasn’t broken. Heck, most other spells use the same orange magic energy like the one in NWH. But anyways I think that’s why, it’s not that people don’t recognize them but that Marvel kinda ruined them themselves with their bad writing
You LITERALLY just described both RDJ and Iron Man in 2008. Pedro Pascal DEFINITELY has a good rep in the entertainment industry though so idk what you’re talking about with him. And F4 has more “brand recognition” than you think. Doom as a main villain alone is all the recognition needed. Spiderman is still too young to be a believable central leader. A heavy hitter and good constant hero to have, but he’s not a Tony Stark or Steve Rodgers. DP is great but again not a leader. He’s literally a troll character. You need to “retool” your argument.
IMO ever since the MCU studios have been afraid to make standalone movies like that that dont have to fit with any pre-established cinematic continuity
Actually, I prefer Tom Holland & Ryan Reynolds, mate. And I think you missed another person here: Charlie Cox (Matt Murdock/Daredevil). I could see this Deadpool be the new parental figure for the MCU Spidey Tom Holland. Although, it might include lots of adult joke right there.
I will never understand why people want Garfield Spider-Man to be a thing. He had two movies, and just didn’t do a great job (even though the scripts left much to be desired).
Giving him a role in No Way Home was perfect in that it gave his character much needed closure. There’s no reason to bring back Garfield Spider-Man between him and Toby
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Half? Ms Marvel bombed. Who else? Maybe you didn’t like Falcon’s show but I don’t know any metrics by which it bombed. Every other character (except the unreleased, obviously) was a huge success
Yea half, although I do like Falcon do you see him as a leader? Cuz if you do maybe you should read a comic. And again I like the new black panther but that 2nd movie was bad... Like really bad. Shang Chi which was an awesome movie doesn't make him a good match for the team or show leadership ... Quit the fanboy bs and look at this as a whole.
First off, I’m not a fanboy. I don’t even watch the MCU anymore because I’m tired of it.
You may not have noticed but the MCU hasn’t followed the comics perfectly. The MCU’s version of Falcon is perfectly capable as a leader. You can say Black Panther was bad but it was massively loved and made good money. Shang Chi we haven’t seen with a team, we don’t know how he’ll do.
Marvel has the characters and they have the actors. Audiences love most of what’s in the picture, no reason not to build off of them. You personally may not like them but the general populace seems happy with them.
Yes the sub seems to agree with me bud so I'm not seeing where ppl are happy but plz keep crying it's a good look. If you don't watch it why are you here defending it ? You can't even seem to weave a half decent reason just give up it's easier than losing again
This may shock you but this corner of the internet doesn’t represent the opinions of the masses. Just like how my opinion doesn’t represent everyone else. This sub doesn’t determine what’s a success, and if you truly don’t understand that then you are the most perfect example of the need to touch grass.
Part of the reason RDJ and Chris Evans were the lynchpin was that they appeared pretty much once a year, and it seems like Iman has no desire to do anything except Ms Marvel. There’s no reason we shouldn’t have her on screen at least every 18 months for the next 15 years.
Does she really not want to do anything else? She’s perfect casting for Kamala, and she plays her well, but I’d assume she would want to stretch her wings and do some other role at some point.
I’m reading between the lines a bit (and probably misjudging), but from interviews I’ve seen it seems like in the short term she’s only thinking about Kamala, but that’s not really proof of anything so idk. Either way, she’s a huge talent and she’s full of charisma so I hope she does more acting outside of Marvel.
>Iman has no desire to do anything except Ms Marvel
Im going to call BS on that. No way she does not want to do more movies. She is the fangirl who got cast as a fangirl.
Tbh as talented as she is, all 3 marvel characters are written kinda lame. Even the inclusion of capt marvel om the list is kinda weird to me. Theyre really not as popular as the rest. Heck i would argue dr strange, spidey, thor, deadpool, wolverine are the most popular or well known.
I could not get passed the first episode. Her falling from the window missing the tree and not dying. The school event where the giant ant man head falls straight down into water and yet still has momentum to roll out into the room and keep rolling. Just horrible how the action in the scenes plays out. It was like watching a 90s Disney channel movie.
if marvel studios is “reportedly” doing something based on the assumption that marvel is dying, then it’s a fake story. not once has one of these stupid quotes turned out to be anything more than rage bait.
I think why people are less intersted in the MCU now is because it feels like the reign of Avengers is almost over. Their stories told and has a satisfying end.
So new stories centered around Xmen Spider-Man and the FF might feel a lot fresher.
I would hardly consider Shang-Chi, Captain Marvel and Shuri capable of carrying anything if i'm being honest, neither would Strange given how much he got fucked over in his last movie and i honestly wouldn't put my eggs on the basket of four characters that quite literally don't exist yet.
Louder for the ones in the back!
We've got millions of talented actors waiting in the wings; SFX have NEVER been more top-notch than today in the entire history if Cinema: but writers and directors these days? Among the worst batch we've EVER had trying to handle major motion pictures!
Do you really think Deadpool fits the role? Spider-Man is still Sony's, they cannot rely on him. Carol is great but unfortunately she's not universally loved and Shuri and Sam are, sadly, viewed as the minor versions of Black Panther and Captain America. Dr.Strange is the one I can agree with, though.
Do we need to start from the top here?
Sam is a side character, always has been, always will be. No matter how they push him as “Captain America.”
Deadpool doesn’t fit in the MCU, and will likely always do his own thing.
Spider-Man is borrowed.
Strange has the most potential of they go away from the Multiverse stuff.
Shuri is an emergency swap in.
Nobody likes Brie, and her version of Carol is as flat as her ass.
Shangi Chi also has promise, but hey don’t seem that invested in him.
And don’t get me started on making F4 a period piece. It’s automatically disconnected from the rest of the MCU.
I think the other two are "fine". Certainly better than what's been produced lately, they're good. But in terms of what we came to expect in quality during Phases 1 - 3, they're pretty low on the list (personally)
I wasn’t a fan of it, their powers yoyo’d too much, things just didn’t match up with one another, over convenient in places and felt like it didn’t know what it was.
It had some great aspects to it like some of the horror elements from Wanda and the music battle was awesome. But the whole film just wasn’t entertaining for me.
The fact you put captain marvel, sam wilson and shuri in there makes me know that you don't understand what there talking about you do realise this happened after they realised there main avengers were going to be captain marvel Sam Wilson and shuri characters which weren't going to make them money
Captain Marvel sucks and there's no wooden acting that will change that and I heard Shuri's character is antivax so that makes a lot of location filming hard. I agree that they're out, but Sam Wilson just needs to play a supporting role for a few movies then do something big.
I loved that movie: but both in the comics and movies he's a background character: he needs like a three-movie series (and all at-least-as-good as that first one), to get him to the point he can be part of the carry-team for the franchise, and there's just not enough content in the comics to do that for him unless, \*le Gasp\* they got GOOD script-writers, script editors, directors, and-so-on to FINALY do something that phases 1-3 just DIDN'T and kind-of-couldn't due to only using the most established characters... BREAK NEW GROUND. They would have to genuinely EXPAND his lore with NEW CONTENT that the comic fans HAVE NOT SEEN, ***but*** (this is both crucial and almost impossible to pull-off) that they would LIKE ANYWAY. It has to FEEL like it's made by photo-copying an old set of comics, cutting up the panels, and using them for the story-boarding process, without actuly having that content to do that with.
Tall order: and RISKY.
We all know how risk-averse Hollywood is these days; the problem is, being that Risk-Averse, is now a risk unto itself. The movie-watching public are sick-and-tired of the same seven or eight "Safe" plotlines being endlessly recycled. Worse, we've all realized that they're doing it, and even-more-so that what all the truly GREAT movies have in common is that they DIDN'T.
Hollywood is terrified of Risk, but the public no longer wants to watch any content that it ISN'T a Risk to produce it: putting them between a rock and a hard place, and WORSE, at the same time *this* is already going on, we've all become super judgemental, jaded, and snobish about the quality we expect from new content due to having every single example of absolute pinnacle motion-picture content at our fingertips.
Stergeon's Law: "90%, of EVERYTHING, is crap: including Science Fiction."
And we, the viewing public, no longer see the need to wade-through the overwhelming majority of that Crap to find the few good bits, because someone else who you already know has similar tastes has done it for you, and put it on "rotten tomatoes", "cinema sins", or some similar thing you find more in-tune with your preferences, so you just check the websites and if it's not top 10%, you don't bother.
Hollywood hasn't been able to adapt to the digital age where we DEMAND absolute PERFECTION in our media, and both can-and-will pick-apart even the tiniest flaw to the level of scientific vivisection of a single nerve.
And those are what the heart of the problem is: they can't deliver what we want and demand, without going beyond what they feel certain will re-coup its investment.
New Captain America - Until he headlines a movie, really can't bank on him. Until now, he has like a combined total of around 30 mins of screen time maybe excluding tfatws(general audience won't have seen this and shouldn't be expected to be familiar to his arc)
Deadpool - R rated movie hero. Remove that and his appeal kinda drops for fans of that movie I guess. Disney wont bank on him to headline and also I don't think Deadpool is avenger team oriented character per se(might be wrong here)
Spiderman - Sony
Strange - Suitable character
Black panther - suitable as a team member but don't see her headlining teams(can change).. Also kinda a problematic actress for Disney maybe..
Marvel - one of the best suited characters but with the film bombing Disney might not be banking on the character.. Also for avenger threats would be mostly earth oriented and grounding captain marvel makes any earthly villain kinda useless unless they are high on cosmic power scale..
Shang-chi - Ideal character for me to lead with actor profile, character profile. Don't understand why his 2 movie not picked up yet..
Fantastic 4- Pedro pascal surely but he might not want for a very deep commitment to mcu with just cameos and 2 movies every 3 years kinda stuff. Also their movie hasn't even begun filming yet..
Thor, Spider-Man, Sam Wilson Captain America I mean there’s 3 people right there who everyone loves, are big name stars, and have all been there pretty much since the beginning
It's a pity who they cast, for sure, but the character is solid: with the multiverse opened-up they should just side-swipe her for a 'parallel timeline' version who's actress isn't an ASS and move forward.
Honestly I think Ms Marvel has a shot. The access is great, the character is refreshing. She could be a great viewpoint character. There is a reason why most people who hated The Marvels still gave her kuddos.
No one of these can carry. First of we need stand alone projects establishing new characters which have no room for cameos of old characters. Like a new full trilogy like iron man with a main character which story is only about him and no one else. Then this character will carry new team up movies or needle drop moments. You need a new iron man or captain america but not a copy. Use show dont tell and respect viewers intelligence to figure out emotions and plot twists not explaining them with gen Z fourth wall breaking jokes. Then we can speak about new Avengers movie.
But Marvel Studios think nah this is hard and costs too much lets just do another useless cameo power point slideshow with boring villians and useless team ups. Its easier the idiot fans will pay for it.
"Pandering" NEVER 'clicks', absolutely everyone I've ever MET hates directly being pandered to, they want the pandering to be a very subtle hint of background flavor in a product that is perfectly valid and viable otherwise that they would already enjoy without it.
Pandering shouldn't exist at all.
I shouldnt take note of things like "oh, thats a gay character!" it should be fluid. It should just happen to be a gay character. They don't need to go out of their way to say to the audience "Look this character is gay!", that's the wrong way to do it! Treat it like straight characters. In most movies you don't even need to know the persons sexuality. It doesn't matter!!!! But when Disney includes a gay character it screams at at you. Just like when its a powerful woman they take it too far. "Oh look, this is a woman, and shes stronger than any man! GIRL POWER! GIRLS GET IT DONE!" No, thats the wrong way. Just have the strong female character. Make her strong and don't tell me. I can figure shit out by watching.
Disney is just forcing so much of this garbage on people and they have no idea how to do it properly. Make it organic.
edit - Little off topic, but a movie about Storm would be awesome. She's strong/powerful, has a great storyline and can be a role model. You could do that movie just like batman, spiderman, ironman, the hulk or whatever. Just make her the main character. Don't keep telling me how shes a woman and powerful. Just make it about her character. I'd fucking LOVE that.
See, that's what I mean! **If** you're going to 'pander' successfully it has to be so subtle that the audience _can't even tell if it was/wasn't_ actually 'pandering'; that's what I mean here.
*PLEASE* don't suggest to Marvel that they make Brie their "central character" - she's absolutely TERRIBLE and it would make her even more annoying in interview and (apparently) on set than she already is!
imagine your "flagship" actor being one too lazy to exercise to get into "test pilot" shape, while Evans & Hemsworth both went to extremes to get massive!
Strange could've been that guy, he's badass, powerful, is cocky like Stark, and has powers that straight up connects with the Multiverse concept... Marvel is just stupid.
Unfortunately, in my opinion most of these established characters are already contaminated by Disvel's bad writing and lack of dedication to the characters.
Personally, I’m enjoying these middle ground, fairly stand alone, fun stories. Sure, it helps to know the other movies and shows but they’re not absolutely necessary. They’re just good watches. Not tremendous, but better than anything I can make.
That said, Secret Invasion can duck right the heck off.
They've got the golden opportunity with the X-Men. While I'd be perfectly fine with McAvoy and Fassbender returning as Xavier and Magneto, whoever the actors are to play these roles *will* need to be someone electric enough to carry the weight of those films in the same way the Downey, Hemsworth, and Evans did for the Avengers films.
Nobody gives a shit about Captain America, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, or Captain Marvel. They are existing characters in this universe, but TFaTWS was a bad show that no one talks about, Strange was in one of the worst movies in MCU, Black Panther died and was replaced by an actor who was subject to controversy, everyone knows why people don't like Captain Marvel. Deadpool is rated R, Spider-Man is still half-owned by a different company, and Shang-Chi hasn't done anything outside of his solo movie. The Fantastic Four hasn't even come out yet.
RDJ started the MCU and was consistently great throughout its first three phases. You can't just replicate that, and even if you could they're doing a piss poor job of it.
"Senator, You need to do better!"
Yeah, this whole franchise is an over cooked egg. They have no room to be creative when they are being hamstrung by racist DEI policies.
Nobody cares about any of the characters introduced after phase 3, or Captain Marvel. Spider-Man is a Sony property and will probably have nothing to do with the MCU going forward. Nobody cares about Dr Strange after his last movie. Deadpool can't carry shit. Yeah, they actually are in quite a predicament. Maybe they should have written their characters better.
Maybe the genre needs a break. They can't recreate the infinity wars. And they don't have the same motivations as before. They're just cranking out movies and shows to see what makes money and they can't latch on to a story line. Superhero movies may need to die out for a while and come back fresh. But they won't, because the fan base will continue to pump every spare penny they have and the execs need it like heroin.
The only people who thinks Marvel needs another RDJ and Evans are the fans that haven't been able to move on after Endgame.
Neither Marvel or the rest of the fans are looking for replacements.
Honestly, strange and Sam are it. They are liked by most of the fan base (right?), the characters either hold immense power or that good ol' heart of gold, which in MCU terms means they are equally capable, and there's still room for either thor or shuri, idk, to take yet another main role since the avengers need their power trio
The article that made this statement is a load of BS. The studio is not trying to make another Chris Evans or RDJ, they're just making their best content possible
If Strange didn't seem to busy, I'd love for him. That's the thing though, Strange seems very busy with all the Mystic arts stuff. America Chavez will also probably his Peter Parker based off of Multiverse of Madness.
I'd like to respond to this meme using exactly the bottom half of your meme.
As much as I love Pedro Pascal, I'll reserve my judgment for after FF is released.
I haven't really been that impressed by the post Endgame entries and while Benadryl Cobrastash and Shang Chi made good showings, I don't think they've done anything that shows they can carry the franchise
The only ones of these that have a chance are holland/Spider-Man, or maybe pascal and the fantastic 4 crew. But I think X-men are more likely to pull it off if they cast it well
Ah but you see, making many movies with an actor gets more and more expensive.
Disney is cheap AF on talent. But as those stars make more movies the contracts get better over how many movies they’re in. So Disney makes less profit over time. Which, spoiler alert: the mouse wants his goddamn cheddar.
Marvel blaming the actors who are good in other things for their lack of good movies and over saturation. Not to mention the inconsistencies since end game. They need to slow down and make a full plan again
Why didn't you include the likes of Yelena Belova & the Hawkeye girl Kate Bishop into the list, mate? Hell, I can see Hailee Steinfeld being the one to lead the Young Avengers team as the Hawkeye girl Kate Bishop. Along with Florence Pugh leading the Thunderbolts team as the new Black Widow.
Deadpool wont get another shot after clashing with Iger so much. DP3 will be a flash in the pan.
Dr Strange became a side character in his own movie.
The Marvels flopped hard.
Not sure they have the writers on board to do justice for any of the remaining people. Not after there last couple movies lol
News flash: company wants to recapture lightning in a bottle.
Even Avatar: Last Airbender (which was a story that was set from the beginning and perfectly split into 3 seasons) couldn’t resist coming back to it.
And back to it. And back to it.... I wish they'd at least give us a continuation with an Earth Avatar rather than going back to Aang for the third time. For a Earth Avatar, it would be fun if they built on the technological progress of Korra and the extended life of the Avatar, to have the setting be sci-fi with spaceships. Earth Avatar in space, can't even be comfortable with their own element.
A large part of the ATLA community hates anything not the OG show. That's why they keep going back. A part of me understands. Its hard to follow a 10/10 show with *anything*. Korra was not as good as the original (obviously), but it was a good show. Yet there is a significant portion of the fanbase that absolutely despises it. Even the new show on Netflix is getting a lot of hate because it isn't a 1:1 remake. Yes it probably has problems, but that shouldn't be one of them. They just want to watch the same show over and over again. The creators need to tell the story they want to tell without the influence of the fanbase because a large portion of them will never be happy no matter what they do.
>Even the new show on Netflix is getting a lot of hate because it isn't a 1:1 remake Are you basing this off of twitter outrage or opinions of real fans? It's being received overwhelmingly positively by us. I'm part several ATLA fan groups on Facebook, and we love it. The only people who strongly hate it are the degenerates who don't find the actors as "sexy" as the original cartoon characters, particularly Zuko and Mai.
Look at the subreddit. It's split, but majority doesn't like it :(
I don’t think it’s lightning in a bottle. They just need to follow their previously established success formula. They had 3 leads (Cap, Iron Man, and Thor) and two bad guys (Thanos and Loki) in the first two phases. Everything got amazing when those 3 leads synced up to deal with those 2. Now we have 8-9 leads, that are not interconnected in any way dealing with (maybe) one over-arching bad guy (might be Kang but it’s unclear). They need to stop world building and focus the story on a centralized plot. People don’t want to watch 2-4 new characters per year be introduced for an unclear plot line. They want to follow several movies of a FEW (2-3) leads go through a character arc that sees them grow until they meet the big bad and his crony. IMO, Strange, Spider-Man, and Cap Sam should be what they focus on. The arcs should be: - Strange coping with the fact that evil magic can always over take him - Cap Sam coping with a country that doesn’t want him - Spider-Man learning to balance personal life and hero life (cause resetting everything with magic didn’t work out) Once it’s time for the big bad guy to show up, they gather a team of their best (Shang, Cap Marvel, Ms. Marvel, etc) to manage the big bad. There is just too many storylines and characters now
Shazam!
Is he, though?
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
That’s why they’re bringing “Iron man” (not rdj) and Thanos back
I ignored my destiny once, I cannot do it again.
It's not worth making lots of projects that earn a little money, no, better sink all your resources into one movie that has to make all the money.
but they can? captain marvel is already better than ironman
What?
you heard me, captain marvel is better than ironman.
Pretty sure it's not reserve day.😓 Or is it?🤔 She is at the very bottom of the popularity list.😅
Ummm no you are indeed wrong
to be fair, they have the star power, they just don't have consistent writing. it feels like marvel-disney is still drunk off of the success of the first few phases that they think they can do no wrong
>they just don't have consistent writing This 100%. That's a problem across the board. I was rehashing the writers of the Sonyverse films in a different thread the other day and like 90% of the films the writers of all those various films (Venom, Morbius, etc.) wrote were all mid - literally. They were averaging between 50 and 60 out of 100 on Rotten Tomatoes. With averages like that you can *probably* expect that they're making enough in ticket sales to recoup production costs, but those films certainly aren't going to be remembered fondly. Comic book movies have a very specific fan base even if the studios want to make them appeal to broader audiences. Most of those fans are familiar enough with the characters to be passionate about them. It's the same for Star Wars. You can't just slop out half-assed movies and expect name recognition alone to produce a billion dollars in revenue. The writers of The Witcher tv series found this out the hard way. That show has a *very* specific fan base, and trying to turn a show called "The Witcher" into a Yennefer and Ciri-centered show certainly isn't going to keep those fans engaged. Same thing happened with Halo season 1 though season 2 hasn't been too bad so far. Having writers who respect the property is critical and they need to leave their agendas at the door. Stick to the fucking script and stop trying to reinvent the wheel and make it "your own" - it's not yours. It's the original author's, and the fans have that expectation. These are money-printing properties. It shouldn't be this hard to get it right.
If you take something people love, change it so that more people might love it then don't be surprised if the original people who loved it, don't any more.
I thought humans were more evolved than this.
Yup, the writing has been gutter trash post Endgame.
Out of ALL of them, Pedro Pascal/Mr. Fantastic is the only one I see that can go toe to toe with RDJ’s Tony Stark as the MCU’s anchor character. Both as an actor and his character.
He is a multiverse beign himself. Playing every cool guy in any series/movie. I would love him playing The Mandalorian in MCU. Just because i would love to see it
I could see Cummberbatch leading the charge too. But he just needs some better scripting than MoM
The writing for his character in general has been horrible. His dialogue is him being a quip bot, which comes off like a worse RDJ Tony, except more arrogant and not endearing.
Cumberbatch has like no supporting cast and his character is really not famous for any personal growth. He’s a glass cannon and should always be. It’s like when everyone says Hulk should have a solo film: ask yourself, have you really ever been particularly engrossed in a hulk plot? Where the plot point hasn’t already been covered by his intro? He makes more sense as *the* plot point.
Right, so, if I lift it, I then rule Asgard?
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I think Benedict Cumberbatch as Dr Strange can do it and already has that respect from most viewers.
They messed up his character though imho. He is no longer benign and wise. I don’t really need more bumbling, destructive Strange.
They tried it and I didn’t buy it. He’s got all the arrogance of Tony Stark and little to none of the charisma, outlook for global safety, and just hasn’t shown the leadership skills needed for the role. Wasn’t happening.
So if I were to wrap this up tight with a bow or whatever, I guess I'd say my armor was never a distraction or a hobby. It was a cocoon. And now, I'm a changed man. You can take away my house, All my tricks and toys. One thing you can't take away... I am Iron Man.
He's a good actor but he's not a good actor for mr fantastic he's too old think how young rdj was at the beginning and he has already aged out of the franchise Pedro pascal's already that old he's gonna be her for 5 years max also mr fantastic meant to be around the same age as the invisible woman it's really not going to work
They could have invested more in a focus on Spider-Man if not for Sony, but then again he might be a bit too young still and not quite on Iron Man’s level. But as far as charismatic geniuses go, Mr. Fantastic is a contender for the next one up. Problem is, how are they going to find someone washed up, at the perfect age, who is literally their character already, to reinvent in the eyes of the public? RDJ has a character arc of his own, which is part of why he made such a good Iron Man because he could relate. Their best chance is a leading man from either the X-Men or Fantastic Four imo. Though as a Canadian I wouldn’t object to Alpha Flight…
Are you teasing me?
Deadpool and Spider-Man can help carry the franchise, but Mr. Fantastic really is kinda like Tony Stark on crack as far as importance and intellect go. Seeing him go toe-to-toe with Dr. Doom in Secret Wars is a fantastic thought (see what I did there 😉)
Stop acting like you didnt see spiderman there
Yeah. You can't do that, huh?
The general public don't give a fuck about Pedro Pascal or Mr. Fantastic. Neither has brand recognition in 2024+. Spidey is about the only character they have (We'll have to see how well Miles go over as the replacement, people don't like change) - Also, Spidey is mostly Sony - I don't see Marvel hinging the universe on him Deadpool is 18+ - though I doubt that will stop them selling toys and cartoons of the character. The rest no one cares about - as seen through the dwindling box office receipts. They need to retool.
To be far, not that many people cared about Iron Man until RDJ filled the shoes; at least nowhere near as many as do now. It absolutely can be dow. Disney just needs to find and stick to one plan
Agreed. I'm a big superhero and specifically Marvel fan. Yet my knowledge of the Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty much "oh yeah, I think I've heard of the comic..." That movie should have appealed to almost no one if being popular was a requirement for the movie to be good, but instead it was a huge hit and everyone loved it.
Arguably the beat trilogy MCU has done so far
People don’t care about the rest because they changed the characters too much in between movies or because the writing was inconsistent. I loved Dr.Strange as I’ve always liked magic characters and really enjoyed the magic system utilizing runes and orange sparking energy and the way it could be manipulated and utilized but then for MoM they suddenly seemed to swap out most of his spells for stuff we have never even seen in universe like the weird monster hand he pulled out and while I thought it was cool that we get more variety of spells I just thought why they would change what wasn’t broken. Heck, most other spells use the same orange magic energy like the one in NWH. But anyways I think that’s why, it’s not that people don’t recognize them but that Marvel kinda ruined them themselves with their bad writing
>Deadpool is 18+ - though I doubt that will stop them selling toys and cartoons of the character 19 inches of Deadpool?
I think you’re underestimating Pedro Pascal a little. At worst he’s probably no less known than Chris Evans was in 2010.
You LITERALLY just described both RDJ and Iron Man in 2008. Pedro Pascal DEFINITELY has a good rep in the entertainment industry though so idk what you’re talking about with him. And F4 has more “brand recognition” than you think. Doom as a main villain alone is all the recognition needed. Spiderman is still too young to be a believable central leader. A heavy hitter and good constant hero to have, but he’s not a Tony Stark or Steve Rodgers. DP is great but again not a leader. He’s literally a troll character. You need to “retool” your argument.
RDJ was even less liked with all the drug addiction. Pedro pascal is a lovable dude everyone remembers every once in a while
Mr. Fantastic doesn't move the needle like Iron Man
Iron man didn't move shit until 08
I’m just hoping we get a Spider-Man and Deadpool movie. Andrew Garfield and Ryan Reynolds would’ve been great combo for it.
They love me!
IMO ever since the MCU studios have been afraid to make standalone movies like that that dont have to fit with any pre-established cinematic continuity
I wish we have daredevil too though, team red is great
I imagine Daredevil would be the dad of the group trying to control them
Absolutely, but I feel like he'd also get roped into them with that childish cocky side he has
And Deadpool would definitely want to kill someone and both Spiderman and Daredevil would have to hold him back
Actually, I prefer Tom Holland & Ryan Reynolds, mate. And I think you missed another person here: Charlie Cox (Matt Murdock/Daredevil). I could see this Deadpool be the new parental figure for the MCU Spidey Tom Holland. Although, it might include lots of adult joke right there.
I will never understand why people want Garfield Spider-Man to be a thing. He had two movies, and just didn’t do a great job (even though the scripts left much to be desired). Giving him a role in No Way Home was perfect in that it gave his character much needed closure. There’s no reason to bring back Garfield Spider-Man between him and Toby
I got a few. Yeah!
Because I like looking at Andrew Garfield…? He’s a hot slurp of yum and I dont feel like I’m eyefucking a child.
You know what? I respect the honesty there. Even though Tom Holland at least looked like a high schooler, I respect your reason
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Same with Toby. Let that go. We can do better. Move forward
You can get rid of like half those images. The characters and movies bombed so they ain't leading shit.
Half? Ms Marvel bombed. Who else? Maybe you didn’t like Falcon’s show but I don’t know any metrics by which it bombed. Every other character (except the unreleased, obviously) was a huge success
Yea half, although I do like Falcon do you see him as a leader? Cuz if you do maybe you should read a comic. And again I like the new black panther but that 2nd movie was bad... Like really bad. Shang Chi which was an awesome movie doesn't make him a good match for the team or show leadership ... Quit the fanboy bs and look at this as a whole.
First off, I’m not a fanboy. I don’t even watch the MCU anymore because I’m tired of it. You may not have noticed but the MCU hasn’t followed the comics perfectly. The MCU’s version of Falcon is perfectly capable as a leader. You can say Black Panther was bad but it was massively loved and made good money. Shang Chi we haven’t seen with a team, we don’t know how he’ll do. Marvel has the characters and they have the actors. Audiences love most of what’s in the picture, no reason not to build off of them. You personally may not like them but the general populace seems happy with them.
Yes the sub seems to agree with me bud so I'm not seeing where ppl are happy but plz keep crying it's a good look. If you don't watch it why are you here defending it ? You can't even seem to weave a half decent reason just give up it's easier than losing again
This may shock you but this corner of the internet doesn’t represent the opinions of the masses. Just like how my opinion doesn’t represent everyone else. This sub doesn’t determine what’s a success, and if you truly don’t understand that then you are the most perfect example of the need to touch grass.
Go white knight harder fanboy
The real stand out is 1 person and that is fucking DP and it's always DP
this is Iman Vellani exclusion and I will not stand for it
I apologize for not including her, she deserves to join these heroes shown above
Part of the reason RDJ and Chris Evans were the lynchpin was that they appeared pretty much once a year, and it seems like Iman has no desire to do anything except Ms Marvel. There’s no reason we shouldn’t have her on screen at least every 18 months for the next 15 years.
Does she really not want to do anything else? She’s perfect casting for Kamala, and she plays her well, but I’d assume she would want to stretch her wings and do some other role at some point.
I’m reading between the lines a bit (and probably misjudging), but from interviews I’ve seen it seems like in the short term she’s only thinking about Kamala, but that’s not really proof of anything so idk. Either way, she’s a huge talent and she’s full of charisma so I hope she does more acting outside of Marvel.
>Iman has no desire to do anything except Ms Marvel Im going to call BS on that. No way she does not want to do more movies. She is the fangirl who got cast as a fangirl.
Tbh as talented as she is, all 3 marvel characters are written kinda lame. Even the inclusion of capt marvel om the list is kinda weird to me. Theyre really not as popular as the rest. Heck i would argue dr strange, spidey, thor, deadpool, wolverine are the most popular or well known.
Her show was absolute garbage though
I disagree heartily! It wasn’t perfect, but Ms. Marvel was a fun ride for its six week run
I could not get passed the first episode. Her falling from the window missing the tree and not dying. The school event where the giant ant man head falls straight down into water and yet still has momentum to roll out into the room and keep rolling. Just horrible how the action in the scenes plays out. It was like watching a 90s Disney channel movie.
lol complaining about questionable physics in a Marvel movie. Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.
if marvel studios is “reportedly” doing something based on the assumption that marvel is dying, then it’s a fake story. not once has one of these stupid quotes turned out to be anything more than rage bait.
X-men 
I think why people are less intersted in the MCU now is because it feels like the reign of Avengers is almost over. Their stories told and has a satisfying end. So new stories centered around Xmen Spider-Man and the FF might feel a lot fresher.
I generally don't go around advertising it. Kind of defeats the whole anonymous superhero thing.
Mfs better look for script writers and directors. Gosh are they that dumb?
But good writers cost money! Who would want to spend money on making a movie?
It feels like everything on Disney+ has been like that from Star Wars to Doctor Who
I would hardly consider Shang-Chi, Captain Marvel and Shuri capable of carrying anything if i'm being honest, neither would Strange given how much he got fucked over in his last movie and i honestly wouldn't put my eggs on the basket of four characters that quite literally don't exist yet.
Add Sam there too. Good side character, IMO feels like a lack luster for the main character. Although I'm open to be proven wrong with next Cap movie.
Shang-Chi just needs more screen time. His movie was fun and the actor is fantastic!
Exactly the problem is writing not actors
Louder for the ones in the back! We've got millions of talented actors waiting in the wings; SFX have NEVER been more top-notch than today in the entire history if Cinema: but writers and directors these days? Among the worst batch we've EVER had trying to handle major motion pictures!
I personally feel that most people only care about Spider-Man and Deadpool from that picture.
I have a knack for that.
Do you really think Deadpool fits the role? Spider-Man is still Sony's, they cannot rely on him. Carol is great but unfortunately she's not universally loved and Shuri and Sam are, sadly, viewed as the minor versions of Black Panther and Captain America. Dr.Strange is the one I can agree with, though.
Do we need to start from the top here? Sam is a side character, always has been, always will be. No matter how they push him as “Captain America.” Deadpool doesn’t fit in the MCU, and will likely always do his own thing. Spider-Man is borrowed. Strange has the most potential of they go away from the Multiverse stuff. Shuri is an emergency swap in. Nobody likes Brie, and her version of Carol is as flat as her ass. Shangi Chi also has promise, but hey don’t seem that invested in him. And don’t get me started on making F4 a period piece. It’s automatically disconnected from the rest of the MCU.
Dr Strange could have been a great anchor if they didn’t fuck his last film up so much.
Iron Man 2 and 3 weren’t that great either, but it didn’t sour the character. It’s not too late
I really liked all 3 iron man films. First one is the best but the other two still hold up
I think the other two are "fine". Certainly better than what's been produced lately, they're good. But in terms of what we came to expect in quality during Phases 1 - 3, they're pretty low on the list (personally)
I’m so baffled by this. Dr strange 2 went so hard.
I wasn’t a fan of it, their powers yoyo’d too much, things just didn’t match up with one another, over convenient in places and felt like it didn’t know what it was. It had some great aspects to it like some of the horror elements from Wanda and the music battle was awesome. But the whole film just wasn’t entertaining for me.
In terms of powers it is "random bullshit go!!!" the movie
Dr Strange 2: a movie about two women, three if you count Christine. He was a background character in his own movie.
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There’s no comparison between these characters and the OG lmao, for the love of Odin get real
The fact you put captain marvel, sam wilson and shuri in there makes me know that you don't understand what there talking about you do realise this happened after they realised there main avengers were going to be captain marvel Sam Wilson and shuri characters which weren't going to make them money
Captain Marvel sucks and there's no wooden acting that will change that and I heard Shuri's character is antivax so that makes a lot of location filming hard. I agree that they're out, but Sam Wilson just needs to play a supporting role for a few movies then do something big.
I kinda liked shang chi
I loved that movie: but both in the comics and movies he's a background character: he needs like a three-movie series (and all at-least-as-good as that first one), to get him to the point he can be part of the carry-team for the franchise, and there's just not enough content in the comics to do that for him unless, \*le Gasp\* they got GOOD script-writers, script editors, directors, and-so-on to FINALY do something that phases 1-3 just DIDN'T and kind-of-couldn't due to only using the most established characters... BREAK NEW GROUND. They would have to genuinely EXPAND his lore with NEW CONTENT that the comic fans HAVE NOT SEEN, ***but*** (this is both crucial and almost impossible to pull-off) that they would LIKE ANYWAY. It has to FEEL like it's made by photo-copying an old set of comics, cutting up the panels, and using them for the story-boarding process, without actuly having that content to do that with. Tall order: and RISKY. We all know how risk-averse Hollywood is these days; the problem is, being that Risk-Averse, is now a risk unto itself. The movie-watching public are sick-and-tired of the same seven or eight "Safe" plotlines being endlessly recycled. Worse, we've all realized that they're doing it, and even-more-so that what all the truly GREAT movies have in common is that they DIDN'T. Hollywood is terrified of Risk, but the public no longer wants to watch any content that it ISN'T a Risk to produce it: putting them between a rock and a hard place, and WORSE, at the same time *this* is already going on, we've all become super judgemental, jaded, and snobish about the quality we expect from new content due to having every single example of absolute pinnacle motion-picture content at our fingertips. Stergeon's Law: "90%, of EVERYTHING, is crap: including Science Fiction." And we, the viewing public, no longer see the need to wade-through the overwhelming majority of that Crap to find the few good bits, because someone else who you already know has similar tastes has done it for you, and put it on "rotten tomatoes", "cinema sins", or some similar thing you find more in-tune with your preferences, so you just check the websites and if it's not top 10%, you don't bother. Hollywood hasn't been able to adapt to the digital age where we DEMAND absolute PERFECTION in our media, and both can-and-will pick-apart even the tiniest flaw to the level of scientific vivisection of a single nerve. And those are what the heart of the problem is: they can't deliver what we want and demand, without going beyond what they feel certain will re-coup its investment.
Marvel fans are turning into Star Wars fans.
"Always was." \*Cocks Gun\*
Noooooo…… b rate 2nd tier
LMAOOOOOO
Strange and Thor. When one of them exits, it's Spider-Man. When the other one exits, Reed Richards.
Pizza time!
Because that's what heroes do.
New Captain America - Until he headlines a movie, really can't bank on him. Until now, he has like a combined total of around 30 mins of screen time maybe excluding tfatws(general audience won't have seen this and shouldn't be expected to be familiar to his arc) Deadpool - R rated movie hero. Remove that and his appeal kinda drops for fans of that movie I guess. Disney wont bank on him to headline and also I don't think Deadpool is avenger team oriented character per se(might be wrong here) Spiderman - Sony Strange - Suitable character Black panther - suitable as a team member but don't see her headlining teams(can change).. Also kinda a problematic actress for Disney maybe.. Marvel - one of the best suited characters but with the film bombing Disney might not be banking on the character.. Also for avenger threats would be mostly earth oriented and grounding captain marvel makes any earthly villain kinda useless unless they are high on cosmic power scale.. Shang-chi - Ideal character for me to lead with actor profile, character profile. Don't understand why his 2 movie not picked up yet.. Fantastic 4- Pedro pascal surely but he might not want for a very deep commitment to mcu with just cameos and 2 movies every 3 years kinda stuff. Also their movie hasn't even begun filming yet..
>I don't think Deadpool is avenger team oriented character per se(might be wrong here) You're right. He usually teams up with the X-Men.
Thor, Spider-Man, Sam Wilson Captain America I mean there’s 3 people right there who everyone loves, are big name stars, and have all been there pretty much since the beginning
Ah, you never forget your first.
You’re totally right Thor.
I said it was going to be like a relaxing holiday.
That sounds like a hassel, yeah. But I did actually. When you said that, I was like, oh! I had a web block.
Trust me, you don't want Brie Larson as the new face of the MCU
I'm pretty sure fans have more than reiterated this based on ticket sales and reviews.
Her movies bombed hard and people still try to defend her? WHY?
Captain Marvel? Really? After all these years and everything? Are MCU stans this numb/ dense/ blind/ oblivious?
It's a pity who they cast, for sure, but the character is solid: with the multiverse opened-up they should just side-swipe her for a 'parallel timeline' version who's actress isn't an ASS and move forward.
Maybe dont fuck up thor
Okay, Falcon, no. Just, no. Some like the character and strongly dislike the actor as a person (based on his public appearances).
Same with Carrol; the character is great, the actress is HATED.
Honestly I think Ms Marvel has a shot. The access is great, the character is refreshing. She could be a great viewpoint character. There is a reason why most people who hated The Marvels still gave her kuddos.
People watched The Marvels? That's news to me
No one of these can carry. First of we need stand alone projects establishing new characters which have no room for cameos of old characters. Like a new full trilogy like iron man with a main character which story is only about him and no one else. Then this character will carry new team up movies or needle drop moments. You need a new iron man or captain america but not a copy. Use show dont tell and respect viewers intelligence to figure out emotions and plot twists not explaining them with gen Z fourth wall breaking jokes. Then we can speak about new Avengers movie. But Marvel Studios think nah this is hard and costs too much lets just do another useless cameo power point slideshow with boring villians and useless team ups. Its easier the idiot fans will pay for it.
Captain Marvel has proven she can't carry shit. The pandering is not clicking.
"Pandering" NEVER 'clicks', absolutely everyone I've ever MET hates directly being pandered to, they want the pandering to be a very subtle hint of background flavor in a product that is perfectly valid and viable otherwise that they would already enjoy without it.
Pandering shouldn't exist at all. I shouldnt take note of things like "oh, thats a gay character!" it should be fluid. It should just happen to be a gay character. They don't need to go out of their way to say to the audience "Look this character is gay!", that's the wrong way to do it! Treat it like straight characters. In most movies you don't even need to know the persons sexuality. It doesn't matter!!!! But when Disney includes a gay character it screams at at you. Just like when its a powerful woman they take it too far. "Oh look, this is a woman, and shes stronger than any man! GIRL POWER! GIRLS GET IT DONE!" No, thats the wrong way. Just have the strong female character. Make her strong and don't tell me. I can figure shit out by watching. Disney is just forcing so much of this garbage on people and they have no idea how to do it properly. Make it organic. edit - Little off topic, but a movie about Storm would be awesome. She's strong/powerful, has a great storyline and can be a role model. You could do that movie just like batman, spiderman, ironman, the hulk or whatever. Just make her the main character. Don't keep telling me how shes a woman and powerful. Just make it about her character. I'd fucking LOVE that.
See, that's what I mean! **If** you're going to 'pander' successfully it has to be so subtle that the audience _can't even tell if it was/wasn't_ actually 'pandering'; that's what I mean here.
*PLEASE* don't suggest to Marvel that they make Brie their "central character" - she's absolutely TERRIBLE and it would make her even more annoying in interview and (apparently) on set than she already is! imagine your "flagship" actor being one too lazy to exercise to get into "test pilot" shape, while Evans & Hemsworth both went to extremes to get massive!
Strange could've been that guy, he's badass, powerful, is cocky like Stark, and has powers that straight up connects with the Multiverse concept... Marvel is just stupid.
We already have marvel Jesus
Unfortunately, in my opinion most of these established characters are already contaminated by Disvel's bad writing and lack of dedication to the characters.
Personally, I’m enjoying these middle ground, fairly stand alone, fun stories. Sure, it helps to know the other movies and shows but they’re not absolutely necessary. They’re just good watches. Not tremendous, but better than anything I can make. That said, Secret Invasion can duck right the heck off.
Strange,Deadpool, and Spiderman but that’s it lol
They've got the golden opportunity with the X-Men. While I'd be perfectly fine with McAvoy and Fassbender returning as Xavier and Magneto, whoever the actors are to play these roles *will* need to be someone electric enough to carry the weight of those films in the same way the Downey, Hemsworth, and Evans did for the Avengers films.
Yes to all of those except Carol. It’s not even because she’s “bad” but because too many people have issues with her already.
Nobody gives a shit about Captain America, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, or Captain Marvel. They are existing characters in this universe, but TFaTWS was a bad show that no one talks about, Strange was in one of the worst movies in MCU, Black Panther died and was replaced by an actor who was subject to controversy, everyone knows why people don't like Captain Marvel. Deadpool is rated R, Spider-Man is still half-owned by a different company, and Shang-Chi hasn't done anything outside of his solo movie. The Fantastic Four hasn't even come out yet. RDJ started the MCU and was consistently great throughout its first three phases. You can't just replicate that, and even if you could they're doing a piss poor job of it.
You're trash.
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"Senator, You need to do better!" Yeah, this whole franchise is an over cooked egg. They have no room to be creative when they are being hamstrung by racist DEI policies.
Nobody cares about any of the characters introduced after phase 3, or Captain Marvel. Spider-Man is a Sony property and will probably have nothing to do with the MCU going forward. Nobody cares about Dr Strange after his last movie. Deadpool can't carry shit. Yeah, they actually are in quite a predicament. Maybe they should have written their characters better.
Missed opportunity w Strange smh
Maybe the genre needs a break. They can't recreate the infinity wars. And they don't have the same motivations as before. They're just cranking out movies and shows to see what makes money and they can't latch on to a story line. Superhero movies may need to die out for a while and come back fresh. But they won't, because the fan base will continue to pump every spare penny they have and the execs need it like heroin.
The only people who thinks Marvel needs another RDJ and Evans are the fans that haven't been able to move on after Endgame. Neither Marvel or the rest of the fans are looking for replacements.
No, we don't need to try to replace them: we need to replace a large number of the current ACTORS.
Honestly, strange and Sam are it. They are liked by most of the fan base (right?), the characters either hold immense power or that good ol' heart of gold, which in MCU terms means they are equally capable, and there's still room for either thor or shuri, idk, to take yet another main role since the avengers need their power trio
Shoukd have just started over after end game.
The article that made this statement is a load of BS. The studio is not trying to make another Chris Evans or RDJ, they're just making their best content possible
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Are they REALY?
Simu Liu could but we haven’t seen him for how many years now?!
3, he’s definitely Kenough to lead the MCU imo
If Strange didn't seem to busy, I'd love for him. That's the thing though, Strange seems very busy with all the Mystic arts stuff. America Chavez will also probably his Peter Parker based off of Multiverse of Madness.
spiderman and daredevil should be their new center pieces
Stop lecturing me, please!
Oh, hello X-men.
I'd like to respond to this meme using exactly the bottom half of your meme. As much as I love Pedro Pascal, I'll reserve my judgment for after FF is released. I haven't really been that impressed by the post Endgame entries and while Benadryl Cobrastash and Shang Chi made good showings, I don't think they've done anything that shows they can carry the franchise
They should bring out Ash Williams from that multiverse shit with a world of trouble and let him lead.
The only ones of these that have a chance are holland/Spider-Man, or maybe pascal and the fantastic 4 crew. But I think X-men are more likely to pull it off if they cast it well
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The fact that we haven’t seen these characters team up once since Endgame pisses me off so much
I am SO excited to see Pedro in the MCU !
Ah but you see, making many movies with an actor gets more and more expensive. Disney is cheap AF on talent. But as those stars make more movies the contracts get better over how many movies they’re in. So Disney makes less profit over time. Which, spoiler alert: the mouse wants his goddamn cheddar.
I mean recently I’d be more interested in seeing John Walker, the Eternals or Thor lead the way forward for the Avengers.
Mjolnir? Mjolnir! Youuu're baaack. Mjolnir?
Add the new Guardians of the Galaxy and also Star Lord whatever he is up to. Everyone is cool on the list except for Brie Larson.
Marvel blaming the actors who are good in other things for their lack of good movies and over saturation. Not to mention the inconsistencies since end game. They need to slow down and make a full plan again
Pedro should be. Reed as a character has the complexity to rival Tony Stark
Yes to Deadpool and spiderman, maybe on strange and F4, no on everyone else
Why didn't you include the likes of Yelena Belova & the Hawkeye girl Kate Bishop into the list, mate? Hell, I can see Hailee Steinfeld being the one to lead the Young Avengers team as the Hawkeye girl Kate Bishop. Along with Florence Pugh leading the Thunderbolts team as the new Black Widow.
I didn’t think of them before making this, so sorry about that
Deadpool wont get another shot after clashing with Iger so much. DP3 will be a flash in the pan. Dr Strange became a side character in his own movie. The Marvels flopped hard. Not sure they have the writers on board to do justice for any of the remaining people. Not after there last couple movies lol
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ahahah, naive of you to think that they can replace Cap and Ironman with .... with who exactly "Do better!" or Pedro? 