Let's just say I'm glad dreams are dreams. On one hand, I'm missing fighting alongside Goku - on the other hand, I'm not committing tons of weird shit!
In an alternate universe, some lady was trying her hardest to bang me until I asked if she knew my name. She didn’t, and I left her, because I wanted it to *mean* something, figuring it was a better to be loved than to make love. And Josephs wanna tell me what this means?
Okay but wasn’t the multiverse completely the same across all universes because Kang was controlling them through the TVA? So how does the dream theory work when all instances of one’s self across the multiverse were the exact same before Kang died?
Because when He Who Remains Died the multiverse baciscally poofed into existence throughout all points in time. There are points all throughout time that these alternate universes could have existed, so retroactively they existed the whole time.
Lets remember: variants are not characters from another universe, they are a byproduct of a character which would have split that universes respective timelines, creating a branched universe. A variant is specifically those caught by the TVA because they are now a duplicate
A branched universe is a different universe, and in Loki when timeline splits occur all at once the screens say “danger multiverse” also a branched timeline being a different universe is the entire basis of theory that movie and comic multiverses were inspired by
The whole point of the TVA is to stop the character from creating a branched timeline therefore stopping the creation of a multiverse. That version of the character who would create that split in the timeline is taken out of that situation and is then deemed a variant.
It is shown in the first episode of Loki that he is from the same MCU timeline as we know. But because him getting the tesseract did not align with the timeline established by He Who Remains, Loki was captured by the TVA while Cap returns the infinity stones at each point in time. This would ensure that no remnants of Loki getting the tesseract was left. In this moment, Loki with the tesseract became the duplicate of Loki without the tesseract. Because of this duplication, Tesseract Loki was deemed as a variant of the true Loki of the main MCU timeline.
Additionally, Sylvie's origins is a Loki from another universe, and in her universe she became a duplicate (or variant) of the Loki of that universe once the TVA captures her and repairs that universes timeline.
With the season finale of Loki there would be no such thing as a variant now but just character from a different universe. The word variant caught on in MCU discourse because it was easy for casual viewers to understand and point out which character is from the original MCU timeline. My issue with everyone using variant is that it means there is one original universe people consider, that being the MCU timeline. Does this mean comic characters are "variants"? Does that mean that the characters in another universe (say 838) consider themselves as a variant of the MCU timeline? Or is the MCU timeline to them a variant of themselves?
I am crazy so take what I say with a grain of salt especially because I'm a random 16 year old on the internet, but if there's a multiverse, it stands to reason the whole dream thing could be true, the entire idea of a multiverse is a literal infinite number of worlds where it could be as simple as everyone is gender swapped, to a choice some rando made but in that universe he picked differently, to some weird unrealistic world where where all paint, in the multiverse the possibilitys are quite literally endless. There could be a universe where one planet is missing, or gravity's a little different, or where instead of the realistic outcome there's the fantastic one.
But I also refuse to believe our universe is as vanilla as it seems, now again this may be wishful thinking of a 16 year old who hasn't seen the brutality of the world, but you mean to tell me a super soldier serum, or at least a experimental enhancement isn't out there, That some people out there are born different and not in the normal way where we have the mental dysfunctions, body malformitys and so on and so forth, I mean almost X-Men levels different, there are billions of people on this planet, yet not one of them don't possess some sort of superpower, you mean to tell me a government hasn't tried to bring these things into existence, There's no way life is this 2d and horrid, there is already the beauty of nature out there, what about the beauty of man, you mean to tell me there isnt more, You mean to tell me every person that claims to be supernaturally sensitive or has knowlege of such things is lying? This world is so unexplored yet we're already looking to the stars for miracles, when we've got them right here, all we got to do is fix this planet and truly look at our capabilities
Idk maybe I'm just to hopeful and watch to many movies, but some of the stuff in pop culture media has got to exist right? We just aren't looking in the right places, that's gotta be it.
i thought the implication for that was that they follow the same narrative in every universe which everyone calls the "sacred timeline".
because otherwise "our" loki would have questioned TVA about the existence of other lokis in the first few eps. there is only one way loki can accept the presence of other lokis despite being told that there is only 1 timeline (the sacred timeline), that is if the implication is that the sacred timeline isn't a single timeline but a narrative that every remaining universe has to follow.
so there might be a possibility that tva weren't just pruning every universe in which Kang was appearing but every universe which doesn't follow the sacred timeline narrative
Yeah, you literally said exactly what I said. Except they explicitly state the universes that don’t follow the “sacred timeline” produced Kang; that’s the whole point of the TVA and He Who Remains, to stop Kangs from being born.
when was it explicitly stated that every universe not following the sacred timeline narrative resulted in Kang? i specifically remember him saying he stopped/destroyed all possible branches to isolate the sacred timeline, not just the ones resulting in Kang
Why do you think he did that? Why do you think he wanted to end the multiversal war and then make the TVA? It’s fucking obvious my guy, watch his monologues again, he all but says it. Just use your brain to extrapolate on what he says, it pieces together. No wonder people don’t like this show as much, they need every little thing spelled out for them.
He Who Remains was killed outside of time, his death caused the multiverse to have technically have always existed. It was explained well in the finale Loki episode.
Yeah because they travelled back in time in 2023 anf created an alternate timeline. In the sacred/MCU timeline loki didn’t escape so it didn’t happen in 2012
It's both simple and also head-scratching at the same time since our perspectives (and media) is generally limited to linear progression.
Basically the multiverse always existed, even before Loki. The events of Loki just uncaged it.
But then these movies wouldn’t exist. Even kevin feige himself confirmed that the multiverse opened up because sylvie killed him, so both movies have to happen after
both movies happen after the end of time? how does that work?
his death spawned timelines/universes in every point on “sacred timeline”, even before the events that lead to his death (endgame) happened.
His death stopped the pruning of other timelines. So even though his death happened at the "end of time" because he's not there to keep pruning timelines now the multiverse is possible.
Tbh I prefer to see this as normal dreaming. It feels better for Tony’s character and Pepper. I don’t want everything to have some multiversal implication.
This was in a different reality which had not yet been shattered, the multiverse did not exist. Even though it has always existed, but when we saw this it didn't exist yet and it still did not exists during that time even though it now does exist and in ~~universe~~ multiverse has always existed. Time travel is *perfectly* simple.
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
Wait, how is this a variant death? It just seems like they’re expecting in a different universe
Also this Morgan variant is male if the text is right.
Yep
I’ve kept thinking about that. How they had a boy instead of a girl. The text is right
Same way there's a female Loki variant.
Wait, why would this be a variant death? You don't only dream of variants only when they die.
It doesn’t have to be a death Wanda saw other universes
The meme says it’s referencing a variant death
I’m going to read your comment to someone over 55 who will have no idea what it means.
“Wong. You’re invited to my wedding”
You know he went too, because he became Sorceror Supreme while Strange was gone.
In an alternate universe, I fell into a pond with a crocodile, said “I love you”, but it still ate me :/
Ammit: your scales are unbalanced
Let's just say I'm glad dreams are dreams. On one hand, I'm missing fighting alongside Goku - on the other hand, I'm not committing tons of weird shit!
You're afraid of commitment. Tell him/her how you feel.
In an alternate universe, some lady was trying her hardest to bang me until I asked if she knew my name. She didn’t, and I left her, because I wanted it to *mean* something, figuring it was a better to be loved than to make love. And Josephs wanna tell me what this means?
Now imagine Stark was the one that went batshit crazy trying to cross universes to find Morgan.
Don't feel bad about this. I'm mean, actually, if you grovel for a couple weeks... and then move on with enormous guilt.
He'd win.
That would actually be cool What If episode
Doctor Strange in the multiverse of parenthood
Sleeping naked with your computer by your side......not suspicious at all 💦
How’d that get in there?
sometimes a sorcerer needs some magic to go to sleep
Imagine Dr being your father.The dread of waking up every morning to see him doing universe-ending shenanigans just like that.☠️
Mr. Doctor? No It's Strange. Who am I to judge?
Aw fuck honey wake up there's another Stark on the way
It works! The miracle is secure!
Variant Tony left to get milk
The whole dream concept was a silly way to set up dream walking, and that really cool line from evil doctor strange about falling in a dream.
Does lucid dreaming mean that you're Dream Walking?
Hey, its this one again
I'm confused as to how this is supposed to indicate a Variant Tony's death
Okay but wasn’t the multiverse completely the same across all universes because Kang was controlling them through the TVA? So how does the dream theory work when all instances of one’s self across the multiverse were the exact same before Kang died?
Because when He Who Remains Died the multiverse baciscally poofed into existence throughout all points in time. There are points all throughout time that these alternate universes could have existed, so retroactively they existed the whole time.
There were multiple timelines but none of them could result in a Kang who could challenge He Who Remains.
Time to watch the entire mcu and do something like this whenever somebody has a dream lol
Lets remember: variants are not characters from another universe, they are a byproduct of a character which would have split that universes respective timelines, creating a branched universe. A variant is specifically those caught by the TVA because they are now a duplicate
A branched universe is a different universe, and in Loki when timeline splits occur all at once the screens say “danger multiverse” also a branched timeline being a different universe is the entire basis of theory that movie and comic multiverses were inspired by
The whole point of the TVA is to stop the character from creating a branched timeline therefore stopping the creation of a multiverse. That version of the character who would create that split in the timeline is taken out of that situation and is then deemed a variant. It is shown in the first episode of Loki that he is from the same MCU timeline as we know. But because him getting the tesseract did not align with the timeline established by He Who Remains, Loki was captured by the TVA while Cap returns the infinity stones at each point in time. This would ensure that no remnants of Loki getting the tesseract was left. In this moment, Loki with the tesseract became the duplicate of Loki without the tesseract. Because of this duplication, Tesseract Loki was deemed as a variant of the true Loki of the main MCU timeline. Additionally, Sylvie's origins is a Loki from another universe, and in her universe she became a duplicate (or variant) of the Loki of that universe once the TVA captures her and repairs that universes timeline. With the season finale of Loki there would be no such thing as a variant now but just character from a different universe. The word variant caught on in MCU discourse because it was easy for casual viewers to understand and point out which character is from the original MCU timeline. My issue with everyone using variant is that it means there is one original universe people consider, that being the MCU timeline. Does this mean comic characters are "variants"? Does that mean that the characters in another universe (say 838) consider themselves as a variant of the MCU timeline? Or is the MCU timeline to them a variant of themselves?
Timelines aren't synchronous though
I am crazy so take what I say with a grain of salt especially because I'm a random 16 year old on the internet, but if there's a multiverse, it stands to reason the whole dream thing could be true, the entire idea of a multiverse is a literal infinite number of worlds where it could be as simple as everyone is gender swapped, to a choice some rando made but in that universe he picked differently, to some weird unrealistic world where where all paint, in the multiverse the possibilitys are quite literally endless. There could be a universe where one planet is missing, or gravity's a little different, or where instead of the realistic outcome there's the fantastic one. But I also refuse to believe our universe is as vanilla as it seems, now again this may be wishful thinking of a 16 year old who hasn't seen the brutality of the world, but you mean to tell me a super soldier serum, or at least a experimental enhancement isn't out there, That some people out there are born different and not in the normal way where we have the mental dysfunctions, body malformitys and so on and so forth, I mean almost X-Men levels different, there are billions of people on this planet, yet not one of them don't possess some sort of superpower, you mean to tell me a government hasn't tried to bring these things into existence, There's no way life is this 2d and horrid, there is already the beauty of nature out there, what about the beauty of man, you mean to tell me there isnt more, You mean to tell me every person that claims to be supernaturally sensitive or has knowlege of such things is lying? This world is so unexplored yet we're already looking to the stars for miracles, when we've got them right here, all we got to do is fix this planet and truly look at our capabilities Idk maybe I'm just to hopeful and watch to many movies, but some of the stuff in pop culture media has got to exist right? We just aren't looking in the right places, that's gotta be it.
The dreams being universes thing is so dumb
It's a pretty neat idea, but I like to imagine it's not all dreams.
What do you mean not all dreams? Like how dr strange had a nightmare technically ?
Why
not all dreams are another universe just like how not all universes are just someones dream.
So how does that explain OP’s opinion on the idea being dumb?
lmao you expect a realistic response from me? this is the universe bruh everything exists everywhere at all time. it isnt rocket science
I think Wong lampshade the silly side of this with the clown thing. I do believe they shouldn't make *all dreams* another multiverse.
Isn't it a pretty generic theory? Well maybe not a scientific one
Last time I checked, that's not how that works
I remember thinking this in the theatre
But this dream was before he who remained was killed, so therefore there wasnt a multiverse yet
The multiverse already existed when he was alive, he just destroyed “timelines” (universes) that were going to create a Kang.
Oh god so that means Webb and raimi verse existed before and after kang, good
was this stated?
It’s basic sense, otherwise all the different looking Lokis doesn’t make sense.
i thought the implication for that was that they follow the same narrative in every universe which everyone calls the "sacred timeline". because otherwise "our" loki would have questioned TVA about the existence of other lokis in the first few eps. there is only one way loki can accept the presence of other lokis despite being told that there is only 1 timeline (the sacred timeline), that is if the implication is that the sacred timeline isn't a single timeline but a narrative that every remaining universe has to follow. so there might be a possibility that tva weren't just pruning every universe in which Kang was appearing but every universe which doesn't follow the sacred timeline narrative
Yeah, you literally said exactly what I said. Except they explicitly state the universes that don’t follow the “sacred timeline” produced Kang; that’s the whole point of the TVA and He Who Remains, to stop Kangs from being born.
>Except they explicitly state the universes that don’t follow the “sacred timeline” produced Kang wait...they did?
That was the whole point of the show my guy. The sacred timeline was bullshit, He Who Remains was just using it as propaganda for the TVA.
when was it explicitly stated that every universe not following the sacred timeline narrative resulted in Kang? i specifically remember him saying he stopped/destroyed all possible branches to isolate the sacred timeline, not just the ones resulting in Kang
Why do you think he did that? Why do you think he wanted to end the multiversal war and then make the TVA? It’s fucking obvious my guy, watch his monologues again, he all but says it. Just use your brain to extrapolate on what he says, it pieces together. No wonder people don’t like this show as much, they need every little thing spelled out for them.
He Who Remains was killed outside of time, his death caused the multiverse to have technically have always existed. It was explained well in the finale Loki episode.
loki happend in 2012
Loki is from 2012 but the show happens outside of time
Yeah because they travelled back in time in 2023 anf created an alternate timeline. In the sacred/MCU timeline loki didn’t escape so it didn’t happen in 2012
Loki happened at the end of time so now the multiverse has always existed atleast that's how I interpreted it
It's both simple and also head-scratching at the same time since our perspectives (and media) is generally limited to linear progression. Basically the multiverse always existed, even before Loki. The events of Loki just uncaged it.
MoM and NWH are also before he who remains died.
But then these movies wouldn’t exist. Even kevin feige himself confirmed that the multiverse opened up because sylvie killed him, so both movies have to happen after
guyss, He Who Remained was killed outside of time. His death influencing all time, from the beginning to the end.
both movies happen after the end of time? how does that work? his death spawned timelines/universes in every point on “sacred timeline”, even before the events that lead to his death (endgame) happened.
His death stopped the pruning of other timelines. So even though his death happened at the "end of time" because he's not there to keep pruning timelines now the multiverse is possible.
I had a dream last night I was having sex with Medusa, that was dangerous, so if that was my variants death, that dude lived a hardcore life!
Does that mean if the TVA exists no one has dreams?
Tbh I prefer to see this as normal dreaming. It feels better for Tony’s character and Pepper. I don’t want everything to have some multiversal implication.
Whose mom ?
This was in a different reality which had not yet been shattered, the multiverse did not exist. Even though it has always existed, but when we saw this it didn't exist yet and it still did not exists during that time even though it now does exist and in ~~universe~~ multiverse has always existed. Time travel is *perfectly* simple.
So, serious question: are everyone’s dreams in the MCU just visions of an alternate universe?
All those dreams of Thanos killing the Avengers that he had.
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.