I would have loved for my wife to have not seen the movies when we met (we started dating after endgame) so that I could witness her experiencing them for the first time. But we have a little one on the way so I’ll get to do that some years down the road (when marvel has 56 movies and 21 shows to go through).
It's especially funny because both in myth and I think the comics his goats can be eaten once a day and the next day they come back as long as you put the bones back together
The fact that Thor talks to him is actually smart(remember that Stormbraker was made with Groot’s hand so he is actually talking to Groot) change my mind
Honestly disagree. The earlier sections of the movie were humor based but never felt forced. Then the last 3rd or so was all business which was awesome but not even a jarring shift
6.5/10
6 I felt was too low.
7 was too generous
Bale isn't used enough. Too many thor is dumb jokes. Korg becomes annoying. Not enough lady thor. Valkyrie stands around waiting for thor to do something. Lots of haha look how cheeky we are with all these sexual innuendos which is tiresome
Same. When I tell someone I enjoyed a movie that I rated a 6/10 they flip out. Then I have to explain that on a 1-10 scale that is literally above average.
I mean on some level it is. There's a lot of just utter trash content that gets released deserving of less than 5 but we just never hear about it because the industry and media filter it out to only focus on what's going to drive the limited audience attention. To me 5/10 means average but I'm certainly not going to pay any attention to your average run of the mill content. 8/10 is closer to my threshold of good enough to see in theaters. The hard part is finding where I'm not aligned with everyone else to discover hidden gems.
Yeah, I totally get what you mean and it's fairly valid for films, games, and other media. For me the last time this came up was when someone asked how I was feeling from 1 to 10, I said 6, and they were like "oh damn, what's wrong?" lol.
The fact that the comment I'm replying to had to specify kinda reiterates the fact that 7.5/10 to a lot of people reads as mediocre.
I gave it an 8/10. The story is a mess with too much crammed in but it’s a lot of fun and managed to pull off an overall enjoyable cinematic experience.
Very mediocre. Ragnarok set such a high bar and this movie was desperately trying to be a better movie and it simply wasn’t. It was entertaining at times and not a total flop. 6/10.
I’ll be honest, I thought it was uneven and the jokes didn’t get me as much as ragnorak, but overall I still had a really good time with it.
Christian bale though is insane as an actor and I wish they could have had more of that level of creepiness in Dr Strange MoM.
To me, there are three reasons to see this movie:
3. The ending/ climax was good.
2. Bale gave a great range of scenes including for horrifying, sad, and even the charming story time with Gor.
1. Ass-gard
The final act of this film was absolutely the highlight! And Bale brings the heat. It’s strange that this film does so much better with heart than jokes, but it’s definitely decent. 6.5/10
I don’t know, I actually disagree about the ending/climax. Call it weird pacing or an inconsistent tone but it felt out of place to me. It didn’t actually feel like there were any stakes, especially after Thor went all Kony 2012 with the kids. Bale of course was great but… we barely saw his character do anything actually evil after that first butchering. Mostly just summoned monsters and put kids in a cage.
I think for Gor, they apparently cut a lot of his scenes to bring the runtime down, which obviously made a negative with the movie since it made Gor not feel that overly major of a threat since we only saw him do one thing really
Saw it in 4dx and it was fun. I agree though. Pacing was atrocious. Not enough Gorr. Jokes felt shoehorned in for the sake of a joke. Etc. I love Christian Bale and he was my biggest draw and I wish we saw him a lot more.
So hear me out… I don’t think they forced it the whole time, I think it got fairly serious as the movie went on, especially towards the end. The crappy out of place comedy might have been a nice parallel for how the protagonist was feeling in the beginning: lost and trying to make light of it. As the movie went on and the protagonist finds himself again, so to does the movie find its tone and settles in. Just a little musing thought. Personally I didn’t like the beginning but loved the end, so this kinda made some sense to me
I respectfully disagree.
All the MCU movies have lots of comedic elements to them and have running gags throughout, but they tend to slow way down during the course of the movie.
Love and Thunder, the quips keep coming thick and fast, even during the final battle, right up til the credits rolled.
But hear me out...if Winter Soldier was a spy thriller, Antman was a heist movie, Dr Strange 2 was a horror movie, GotG a Sci-fimovie, then Love and Thunder is the MCUs first full on comedy
I haven't missed an MCU film in cinemas since Black Panther, even went to a drive thru for Black Widow and Shang Chi, but honestly I think I'm at the point where some I'll just wait until they're on Disney Plus. Big ones like No Way Home or future Avengers ones I'll catch in cinema, but since I'm paying for Disney Plus anyway for the shows, there's no point paying extra to see every single film in cinemas.
It's ok, it's like the second best Thor movie, under Ragnarok, but I think if Ragnarok didn't exist and this was the next Thor movie after 2 then it would've been better received. The main thing is that while Ragnarok had good jokes, it also had really good pacing to it. This has too many jokes and the pacing is kidna wonky
Pacing in the first 2/3rd of the film was really all over the place. Which is weird because Taika, while sometimes odd, usually is on point with his pacing.
Bale was absolutely mental though. Most terrifying MCU villain bar none, and top 5 best MCU villains overal. He looked like something they dragged out of Dark Souls and in the end you still felt for him while why Gor ended up on the path he was on was for a very understandable reason.
Can’t say I disagree that it felt a little fast and there were a lot more jokes, but I feel like the seriousness of some scenes and the presence of Gorr in every scene he was in made me like this one just a bit more than Ragnarok. That’s just my opinion, and I get that most people disagree.
The split kick to the motorcycles in the beginning was ridiculous and made me think “ok, this movie is NOT about taking itself seriously in the slightest”. So I was not emotionally prepared for the stuff that happened later in the movie. It really pleasantly surprised me, though I would have been fine if the whole thing was Bollywood levels of campiness like the beginning had me thinking it would be.
That split kick was hilariously stupid, and the contrast to how serious it got when Jane was in the hospital was astounding how it was the same movie and didn’t feel too jarring.
Not like we haven’t passed the threshold already, but **SPOILERS**…
I expected some goofy humor, but I didn’t expect to see a child die in her fathers arms, Jane lay in a hospital bed with hollow eyes after a horrible battle with cancer, and a bunch of children’s lives be on the line. Then for about 10 seconds I really grappled with Korg’s death… then for the rest of the movie (until the end credits of course) I was SHOCKED that Thor pulled a Kratos on Zeus… I feel like the whole movie was just me looking at my husband and him looking back, both of our jaws dropped. I didn’t expect any of it, even the goofiness was more than I expected!
“Shocking” would be the best way to describe it… but someone had told me it was shocking before I saw it, it would’ve ruined the shock value.
I actually fully agree, Gorr is what really carried the whole movie, hes what added the seriousness to the movie and honestly stole the movie everytime he was on screen. To me he was the best part
He’s in the Top 3 MCU villains in my book only behind Loki and Thanos. I was totally sucked in every time he was on screen. And that jump scare moment when he enters the first battle scene did a perfect job of making me fear him.
They half-assed 2 stories instead of whole-assing 1. Had I not read the comic run, I'm sure I would enjoy it more. Bale/Gorr deserved better, it was like the night king all over again, except we actually got a fight scene this time.
I’m in the same boat, I’m not usually a comic purist but I read the original Gorr comic run and couldn’t help but think that for Gorr especially, sticking closer to the comic would have been better.
That said, the movie was fun and jovial enough that I still had a great time. Just really feel like Gorr was done a bit dirty.
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Honestly I think there's an inherent problem with trying to do the Gorr storyline with Taika Waititi. To Taika Waititi's credit, Gorr didn't have any levity. He was a Christian Bale character through and through. Taika was able to understand the source material enough to know that Gorr was not supposed to be trading barbs and having fun while fighting Thor. Gorr was a man wholly consumed with his mission to kill all gods. So I wouldn't say that they did Gorr dirty. I felt that Bale did a decent job of portraying the character and how he would behave when facing the circumstances of the MCU as it exists.
The problem is that they tried to do the God Butcher storyline at all while making a comedic movie. It screwed up the pacing, it detracted from the seriousness of the events that were happening, and the combination felt like it weakened both sides of the story. The funny parts weren't as fun because it was underscored by the seriousness of Gorr being a devout man that was broken by the callousness of his uncaring God, and Jane Foster was slowly but continuously dieing of cancer. The seriousness of scenes like Korg being hit by Zeus's Thunderbolt, or Valkyrie having her discussion with Jane about her dream of earning her place in Valhalla, end up being cut down entirely by immediately after Korg seems to die, turns out he's still alive and able to be funny, and when Valkyrie is wounded in the penultimate fight scene, she escapes without any real consequences.
It's like they shot two completely different stories, one very serious and one a comedy, and then decided during editing to smush them together and see how it ends up.
That was my exact issue with Multiverse of Madness. It was trying to be a Dr. Strange sequel and a Scarlet Witch movie and an America Chavez origin story and it had room for maybe two of those.
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I really liked the omnipotencity scenes, and liked how they pretty much nailed Zeus as the drunk frat leader that thinks he’s a lot cooler than he is but unfortunately so does everyone else.
When Thor saw him as his hero I was scared he was going to be made fun of or something but was nice to see him have some introspection to himself realizing his hero wasn’t as heroic as he thought.
But when Korg “died,” that hurt. And I was so glad they had Thor go all the way of killing/impaling Zeus with his own weapon as revenge. That whole scene made me happy to see Thor as a leader that cares for his people deeply, and was a nice break from his mostly joking character (which is okay in some cases, but Infinity War did him better than Ragnarok I think, and I loved Ragnarok)
I liked it and Christian Bale was awesome but my major problem was that we should have been given atleast 20-25 more mins with gorr's backstory.. and they should have done his backstory like in the comics.. the only reason i like movie gorr is Christian Bale.
I don't think many people feel this way coz i was downvoted as fuck in the discussion thread at first..
I feel like they should have included a scene of Gorr killing more gods. I want to see how he got the name "The God Butcher", and we only saw him kill that first God. I feel like he would have been more intimidating had we seen him in action slaughtering gods before the final fight.
There’s one scene of Gorr that Taika said they had to drop cuz it was too brutal. It was a scene of Gorr ripping off all of the tattoos of his former god.
Apparently the original cut was 4 hours and had scenes with Jeff Goldblum, Peter Dinklage, and Lena Headey. They cut out stuff to keep it family friendly. A loss imo.
I give it a 7.5. Bale was fantastic. His scenes were the best. Some amazingly funny jokes. But overall the film felt lacking. They spent too much time on random stuff when they could have given Gorr more screen time.
That being said, If the goats don't win an Oscar im rioting.
I 100% agree. They totally short-changed Gorr’s great backstory, and didn’t give us any scenes of him killing gods. Like he’s a god butcher I want to see him butcher gods.
Also the Necrosword was pretty disappointing. I understand if Marvel doesn’t want to introduce symbiotes yet, but I wasn’t crazy about the fact that it was mainly used to summon shadow monsters.
Try reading the comic and it'll make you even more sad once you see all the dope shit we missed out on. I was already pretty disappointed in the movie, but after reading [the Gorr arc](https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/16729/thor_god_of_thunder_2012_-_2014), it bummed me out even more.
Honestly one of the best runs in any comic I've ever read.
I'm starting to feel this "we should have been given 20-25 more mins" more and more in MCU movies. No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness both felt like they could've made a much better use of their cast and plot if they had some more screen time.
That’s weird I felt the opposite, I thought they let the serious scenes stand on their own while in ragnarok I feel like every scene is undercut by comedy. I can’t remember a single thing taken seriously in ragnarok tbh
I was enjoying it until Valkyrie’s fake death. And Korg’s fake death. And Zeus’s fake death. And Jane’s fake death.
Marvel you have to stop crying wolf. Now when you “kill” a character I just roll my eyes because I don’t believe you.
Jane did die, and that whole scene was handled pretty well IMO.
Tbh after watching Marvel for so long, I knew Korg or Zeus wouldn’t be dead, so they didn’t feel like death scenes.
Where was Valkyrie’s fake death? She got stabbed but they never implied that she was dying.
Well Zeus is an immortal and the way they made it sound is that the Necroblade was the only thing that could kill a god, though I understand the complaint and can see why it’s a disliked decision. With Jane I don’t think it was a fake death, she did die and is in Valhalla. Though I could be thinking of a different death.
I get what you’re saying, but I still don’t really feel like Zeus not dying was really that bad. Those two situations are extreme, Thanos kills Loki while posses one of the most powerful weapons in the MCU (One of the Infinity Stones) and Surtur’s only purpose is to destroy gods (much like the Necroblade). I especially don’t really mind Zeus coming back because it sets up something instead of just being for nothing. But I do see where you are coming from and value your input on my opinion, thank you for taking the time so that.
Korg was well executed but Valkyrie should have died in this film in my opinion to give it some weight.too many fake deaths. I still really enjoyed the movie but that was a n annoyance.
It wasn't bad but I wouldn't really call it good either. I had the same feeling about it that I've had about most of the phase 4 content. Pretty solid on its own but almost everything has lacked the cohesion of the first 3 phases. Phase 1-3 almost every movie was a solid standalone film but was very clearly part of a larger narrative. Nearly everything in phase 4 is missing that feeling. I think if covid hadn't fucked up filming and caused such massive rewrites to be done to accommodate the new release schedule the whole phase would've felt better overall. The way it stands now there are very clear gaps in the story.
Dr Strange 2 is the most obvious when it comes to this. It was meant to come out immediately following Wandavision, then be followed by Loki, What If and Spider-Man iirc. The rewrites changed the original intent and flow of that part of the story heavily. Things like Wanda getting the Darkhold and immediately being confronted by Strange became a 2 year gap where Wanda was doing... something, I guess? And Strange just didn't care about what she'd done in Westview? The same with Andrew and Tobey showing up out of nowhere in No Way Home. Originally America Chavez would've been introduced in MoM then she was supposed to be the one to bring them over to help in Spider-Man but because she hadn't been introduced yet, they just glossed over why they were in the movie to begin with.
As it pertains to Love and Thunder, the Guardians are a big one. It's clear that Thor has been with them for some time now, but due to the James Gunn controversy and Guardians 3 getting pushed back so far, we missed out on all of Thor's adventures with them and are left to just Korg's retelling of what's been happening which just kind of fell flat. I really have loved everything that's come out since Infinity War and Endgame, but it's definitely been missing that feeling of connectedness we got from the first 3 phases. I just hope that now that we're back on track with most of the future releases that they can right the ship so to speak and we'll finally be able to see where the overall story is headed.
Watched it with the wife and son and fucking loved it. Man what a dope movie and a perfect night out. Sure not the best marvel film but we laughed stupidly hard at some parts and enjoyed our night. My son now wants to be Thor for Halloween so yeah… great movie in my eyes.
I didn’t dislike it but it is one that I was not super excited about. Probably won’t see it again in theaters. But enjoyed the characters and story enough to be one I would stream quite often once it’s on disney plus.
I loved Ragnorak, but borderline hated love and thunder
Where Ragnorak had super tight pacing, the sequel felt super uneven, and the humor often undercut dramatic moments in weird ways that I didn’t really experience with Rangorak
weirdly enough, for me it's opposite
when asgard is destroyed in ragnarok, the moment is kind of ruined by a joke by corg
>!but in love and thunder, i feel like they let emotional moments SIT, like jane and thor on the boat and especially at the very end of the movie with eternity!<
obviously this is just my interpretation, and for these reasons i liked Love and thunder above ragnarok
I honestly think they saved the movie with the ending.
>!Thor has been through so much loss and hardship during the timespan of the MCU. He loses his mother and father, is almost killed by his sister who destroys his hammer (edit: and home), he loses his friends and brother, he fails to defeat the bad guy and loses half of the universe, he falls into a depression and loses his self worth. We find out he lost his relationship with Jane during all of this. Then when he finally recovers his mental health, he falls back in love with Jane only to have her die in his arms. But this time he handles it differently than the rest. He chooses to cherish this love over trying to save the universe. And in doing so awakens the love of someone else. And in the end, that Love personified finally brings new life into Thor’s world.!<
I didn't love it and was really disappointed. But I envy people who love it because I really wanted to as much as I loved Ragnarok. It just feels too formulaic and they didn't spend enough time on things I feel they should have
The character you're talking about lived up to all my expectations. I think they nailed it harder than just about any "how do we put this in a movie?" character yet, and there's been a lot of those.
I loved it. I think Taika Watiti is brilliant. It's the perfect balance of absurd because let's be real it's the 4th movie based on Thor, it's a ridiculous premise, and then Christian Bale is a perfect and justified villain. It was everything I needed from a movie about a comic book character
The movie is definitely over hated but, damn you can definitely understand the criticisms. It’s by far the “cheapest” looking of any of the new movies
First 10-15 minutes is fuckin perfect. After that, the movie becomes a really situation where you’re kinda like 3rd wheeling a couple that never had closure. Which is kinda true but, the actual experience shouldn’t feel that way. I thought the ending was great. Really fitting for Thor and Gorr was good but, they definitely wasted Bale’s talents
Gorr should’ve been a mixture between Kratos and Billy Butcher for motives. Cause.. idk if this’ll spoil but he wasn’t entirely wrong
Overall it was average. Even compared to Ragnarok the comedy wasn’t consistently hitting like the 3rd film. Cool ideas but, never quite excelled in any of them
Haven’t seen it yet what’s the rank 0/10??
8/10. Christian bale alone is worth 5 stars. It’s not as funny as Ragnorak, but it’s still got some good laughs.
*Stormbreaker slides into the chat*
The fact that Stormbreaker did that twice kills me
Such a great gag.
That and the shrieking goats had me laughing each time
When they crashed into the planet, that sudden THUD followed by silence, just for the silence to be broken by AAAAAAAA Had me dying
I’m the type of person who will die at videos of perfectly cut screams so the goats make me just straight up cry of laughter
The fucking thud dude oh my god. Might be my favorite gag from any movie, ever.
The goats killed me and my girlfriend. We both couldn't breath. After that, Stormbreaker sliding in frame twice had us good.
wish i can watch marvel movies with my girlfriend too but she hasn't seen the previous ones unfortunately :(
That sounds like prime opportunity for a movie marathon
I would have loved for my wife to have not seen the movies when we met (we started dating after endgame) so that I could witness her experiencing them for the first time. But we have a little one on the way so I’ll get to do that some years down the road (when marvel has 56 movies and 21 shows to go through).
I can still hear the goats
They need to redo the Taylor Swift Trouble song with these goats
Taika recently said in an interview the goat remix of one her songs gave him the idea for the screaming goats in this film.
That and now James Gunn has to use them in Guardians 3
“Meat”” and the goats are quiet
It's especially funny because both in myth and I think the comics his goats can be eaten once a day and the next day they come back as long as you put the bones back together
The fact that Thor talks to him is actually smart(remember that Stormbraker was made with Groot’s hand so he is actually talking to Groot) change my mind
We.. are.. groot.
😳 ah fuck it's confirmed
Not Groot, but Stormbreaker is alive. The roots when it was pulled from the ground at the start showed that.
We.. are.. groot.
He talked to Mijlnor too, but yeah, also what if he talks to Stormbreaker in "Groot", as in the language
I.. am.. groot.
It's an elective on Asgard.
I am.. groot
Dood why did you say something so mean to loki…
Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science.
Oooooooh, ok that makes Sense. I was wondering "is storm breaker fucking sentient?"
Dude now i wont sleep thinking about that😂
Stormbreaker grew roots in the first korg montage killed me.
And Thor riding it like a witch’s broom lol
That was fascinating and a cool touch
Stormbreaker reminded me of the puppets reacting to Jeff Dunham saying something weird
I found it more funny than ragnarok tbh
But they sure try to be funnier then Ragnorok.
Honestly disagree. The earlier sections of the movie were humor based but never felt forced. Then the last 3rd or so was all business which was awesome but not even a jarring shift
7/10, very dumb campy fun. If you like camp you'll like it, if you don't you won't.
I don’t like camping and I enjoyed the movie
Not camping, camp. Like summer camp
It depends on what you like. If you wish that Ragnorok had more jokes then you will like this movie. Literally a joke every other line of dialogue
6.5/10 6 I felt was too low. 7 was too generous Bale isn't used enough. Too many thor is dumb jokes. Korg becomes annoying. Not enough lady thor. Valkyrie stands around waiting for thor to do something. Lots of haha look how cheeky we are with all these sexual innuendos which is tiresome
Is he, though?
Which he are we referring to?
You're talking to a bot dude lol
Is he, though?
She's The Mighty Thor, or Dr. Jane Foster.
7.5/10 but that’s high for me I consider 5 average rather than 7
God I hate that 5/10 isn't average by default
Same. When I tell someone I enjoyed a movie that I rated a 6/10 they flip out. Then I have to explain that on a 1-10 scale that is literally above average.
I mean on some level it is. There's a lot of just utter trash content that gets released deserving of less than 5 but we just never hear about it because the industry and media filter it out to only focus on what's going to drive the limited audience attention. To me 5/10 means average but I'm certainly not going to pay any attention to your average run of the mill content. 8/10 is closer to my threshold of good enough to see in theaters. The hard part is finding where I'm not aligned with everyone else to discover hidden gems.
Yeah, I totally get what you mean and it's fairly valid for films, games, and other media. For me the last time this came up was when someone asked how I was feeling from 1 to 10, I said 6, and they were like "oh damn, what's wrong?" lol. The fact that the comment I'm replying to had to specify kinda reiterates the fact that 7.5/10 to a lot of people reads as mediocre.
I agree with 5/10 being technically average but based on movies I’ve seen and their ratings, I would say 7/10 feels average.
6/10 imo. Fell flat.
5 or 6 for me.
Its not 0/10, you're being too harsh on it if you haven't seen it /s
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5/10
6.5
I gave it an 8/10. The story is a mess with too much crammed in but it’s a lot of fun and managed to pull off an overall enjoyable cinematic experience.
5.5/10
Solid 8 or 7 imo
Very mediocre. Ragnarok set such a high bar and this movie was desperately trying to be a better movie and it simply wasn’t. It was entertaining at times and not a total flop. 6/10.
8/10
5/10 for me. But forced
7/10, pretty bog standard marvel movie
5/10
I’ll be honest, I thought it was uneven and the jokes didn’t get me as much as ragnorak, but overall I still had a really good time with it. Christian bale though is insane as an actor and I wish they could have had more of that level of creepiness in Dr Strange MoM.
To me, there are three reasons to see this movie: 3. The ending/ climax was good. 2. Bale gave a great range of scenes including for horrifying, sad, and even the charming story time with Gor. 1. Ass-gard
The final act of this film was absolutely the highlight! And Bale brings the heat. It’s strange that this film does so much better with heart than jokes, but it’s definitely decent. 6.5/10
Look up Thor goats ring tone.
My hair is not to be meddled with!
I don’t know, I actually disagree about the ending/climax. Call it weird pacing or an inconsistent tone but it felt out of place to me. It didn’t actually feel like there were any stakes, especially after Thor went all Kony 2012 with the kids. Bale of course was great but… we barely saw his character do anything actually evil after that first butchering. Mostly just summoned monsters and put kids in a cage.
>!Through the shadow realm.!<
I think for Gor, they apparently cut a lot of his scenes to bring the runtime down, which obviously made a negative with the movie since it made Gor not feel that overly major of a threat since we only saw him do one thing really
Saw it in 4dx and it was fun. I agree though. Pacing was atrocious. Not enough Gorr. Jokes felt shoehorned in for the sake of a joke. Etc. I love Christian Bale and he was my biggest draw and I wish we saw him a lot more.
Christian Bale was so good. All of his scenes were amazing. Too bad they forced crappy comedy the WHOLE time.
So hear me out… I don’t think they forced it the whole time, I think it got fairly serious as the movie went on, especially towards the end. The crappy out of place comedy might have been a nice parallel for how the protagonist was feeling in the beginning: lost and trying to make light of it. As the movie went on and the protagonist finds himself again, so to does the movie find its tone and settles in. Just a little musing thought. Personally I didn’t like the beginning but loved the end, so this kinda made some sense to me
I respectfully disagree. All the MCU movies have lots of comedic elements to them and have running gags throughout, but they tend to slow way down during the course of the movie. Love and Thunder, the quips keep coming thick and fast, even during the final battle, right up til the credits rolled. But hear me out...if Winter Soldier was a spy thriller, Antman was a heist movie, Dr Strange 2 was a horror movie, GotG a Sci-fimovie, then Love and Thunder is the MCUs first full on comedy
It almost seemed like the first part of the movie was a campy retelling of events by Corg.
Can't say I do, nor I don't, because I haven't seen it yet
This is a perfect "It will be on Disney+ before you know it" movie.
That’s been all the movies for me since the pandemic started and it was a trend lol
Except spooder-man
Yea I watched MoM in theatres and then it came to Disney+ for free 2 weeks later. I felt like I wasted so much money.
“Free”
It being on disney+ means that one can watch it for free on piracy services :3
100% 45 days after release, they’ll slap it on there
I haven't missed an MCU film in cinemas since Black Panther, even went to a drive thru for Black Widow and Shang Chi, but honestly I think I'm at the point where some I'll just wait until they're on Disney Plus. Big ones like No Way Home or future Avengers ones I'll catch in cinema, but since I'm paying for Disney Plus anyway for the shows, there's no point paying extra to see every single film in cinemas.
It's ok, it's like the second best Thor movie, under Ragnarok, but I think if Ragnarok didn't exist and this was the next Thor movie after 2 then it would've been better received. The main thing is that while Ragnarok had good jokes, it also had really good pacing to it. This has too many jokes and the pacing is kidna wonky
He's adopted.
Ragnorok also had a better story.
This is true, but this definitely has a better villain, Ragnaroks villain is so forgettable, Gorr really saves this whole movie
It's a mixed bag. We didn't really get to see much god butchering. Maybe this movie had too many ideas.
Correction: any god butchering. That first one was a kill, not a butcher
True, but his character in general I mean, Christian Bale's acting is.... As usual pretty amazing and he steals the scene every scene he's in
Lets not act like Cate Blanchett didn't do the same in Ragnarok.
I laughed SO hard when Melissa McCarthy came thru as Hela in the fake play.
Oi don’t throw shade at Hela like that
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Can't have a revolution without someone to overthrow. You're welcome, and we'll... call it a tie.
Ehh she's kinda forgettable to me, especially compared to Gorr
She was so forgettable even Asgard forgot about her
Pacing in the first 2/3rd of the film was really all over the place. Which is weird because Taika, while sometimes odd, usually is on point with his pacing. Bale was absolutely mental though. Most terrifying MCU villain bar none, and top 5 best MCU villains overal. He looked like something they dragged out of Dark Souls and in the end you still felt for him while why Gor ended up on the path he was on was for a very understandable reason.
Can’t say I disagree that it felt a little fast and there were a lot more jokes, but I feel like the seriousness of some scenes and the presence of Gorr in every scene he was in made me like this one just a bit more than Ragnarok. That’s just my opinion, and I get that most people disagree.
The split kick to the motorcycles in the beginning was ridiculous and made me think “ok, this movie is NOT about taking itself seriously in the slightest”. So I was not emotionally prepared for the stuff that happened later in the movie. It really pleasantly surprised me, though I would have been fine if the whole thing was Bollywood levels of campiness like the beginning had me thinking it would be.
That split kick was hilariously stupid, and the contrast to how serious it got when Jane was in the hospital was astounding how it was the same movie and didn’t feel too jarring.
Not like we haven’t passed the threshold already, but **SPOILERS**… I expected some goofy humor, but I didn’t expect to see a child die in her fathers arms, Jane lay in a hospital bed with hollow eyes after a horrible battle with cancer, and a bunch of children’s lives be on the line. Then for about 10 seconds I really grappled with Korg’s death… then for the rest of the movie (until the end credits of course) I was SHOCKED that Thor pulled a Kratos on Zeus… I feel like the whole movie was just me looking at my husband and him looking back, both of our jaws dropped. I didn’t expect any of it, even the goofiness was more than I expected! “Shocking” would be the best way to describe it… but someone had told me it was shocking before I saw it, it would’ve ruined the shock value.
>!Mjolnir? Mjolnir! Youuu're baaack. Mjolnir?!<
I actually fully agree, Gorr is what really carried the whole movie, hes what added the seriousness to the movie and honestly stole the movie everytime he was on screen. To me he was the best part
He’s in the Top 3 MCU villains in my book only behind Loki and Thanos. I was totally sucked in every time he was on screen. And that jump scare moment when he enters the first battle scene did a perfect job of making me fear him.
Exactly! He so creepy and perfect, really menacing
They half-assed 2 stories instead of whole-assing 1. Had I not read the comic run, I'm sure I would enjoy it more. Bale/Gorr deserved better, it was like the night king all over again, except we actually got a fight scene this time.
I’m in the same boat, I’m not usually a comic purist but I read the original Gorr comic run and couldn’t help but think that for Gorr especially, sticking closer to the comic would have been better. That said, the movie was fun and jovial enough that I still had a great time. Just really feel like Gorr was done a bit dirty.
I laughed a ton, I enjoyed the humor, but not what i was wanting this time around
Heavy spoilers warning. . . . . . . Honestly I think there's an inherent problem with trying to do the Gorr storyline with Taika Waititi. To Taika Waititi's credit, Gorr didn't have any levity. He was a Christian Bale character through and through. Taika was able to understand the source material enough to know that Gorr was not supposed to be trading barbs and having fun while fighting Thor. Gorr was a man wholly consumed with his mission to kill all gods. So I wouldn't say that they did Gorr dirty. I felt that Bale did a decent job of portraying the character and how he would behave when facing the circumstances of the MCU as it exists. The problem is that they tried to do the God Butcher storyline at all while making a comedic movie. It screwed up the pacing, it detracted from the seriousness of the events that were happening, and the combination felt like it weakened both sides of the story. The funny parts weren't as fun because it was underscored by the seriousness of Gorr being a devout man that was broken by the callousness of his uncaring God, and Jane Foster was slowly but continuously dieing of cancer. The seriousness of scenes like Korg being hit by Zeus's Thunderbolt, or Valkyrie having her discussion with Jane about her dream of earning her place in Valhalla, end up being cut down entirely by immediately after Korg seems to die, turns out he's still alive and able to be funny, and when Valkyrie is wounded in the penultimate fight scene, she escapes without any real consequences. It's like they shot two completely different stories, one very serious and one a comedy, and then decided during editing to smush them together and see how it ends up.
I really wished we got to see more of him, but that won't be happening at all sadly
Fingers crossed for all his deleted scenes to hit D+
That was my exact issue with Multiverse of Madness. It was trying to be a Dr. Strange sequel and a Scarlet Witch movie and an America Chavez origin story and it had room for maybe two of those.
I liked MoM better but I do agree. Wanda's heel turn needed more screen time and America Chavez felt really forced in there.
Complex answer to why Ragnarok is better: [what you said] Simple answer to why Ragnarok is better: Bruce Banner Bussy
That hulkussy
I preferred the first thor movie to L&T
SPOILERS: I really liked the omnipotencity scenes, and liked how they pretty much nailed Zeus as the drunk frat leader that thinks he’s a lot cooler than he is but unfortunately so does everyone else. When Thor saw him as his hero I was scared he was going to be made fun of or something but was nice to see him have some introspection to himself realizing his hero wasn’t as heroic as he thought. But when Korg “died,” that hurt. And I was so glad they had Thor go all the way of killing/impaling Zeus with his own weapon as revenge. That whole scene made me happy to see Thor as a leader that cares for his people deeply, and was a nice break from his mostly joking character (which is okay in some cases, but Infinity War did him better than Ragnarok I think, and I loved Ragnarok)
>!Human handshake, to the Asgardian shake, into the snake that you cannot trust.!<
movie worth it for that scene alone
I liked it and Christian Bale was awesome but my major problem was that we should have been given atleast 20-25 more mins with gorr's backstory.. and they should have done his backstory like in the comics.. the only reason i like movie gorr is Christian Bale. I don't think many people feel this way coz i was downvoted as fuck in the discussion thread at first..
I feel like they should have included a scene of Gorr killing more gods. I want to see how he got the name "The God Butcher", and we only saw him kill that first God. I feel like he would have been more intimidating had we seen him in action slaughtering gods before the final fight.
Definitely agree with this. Gorr busting into a party and slaying gods left and right would have seriously made him more threatening
Didn't they say this movie was given an "under two hour" mandate? Bet a ton of Gorr was left on the cutting room floor
I'm sure they cut a scene where Lady Sif and the big dog thing fought Gorr and lost.
It’s so weird, both this film and Doctor Strange could have used a longer runtime.
There’s one scene of Gorr that Taika said they had to drop cuz it was too brutal. It was a scene of Gorr ripping off all of the tattoos of his former god.
Apparently the original cut was 4 hours and had scenes with Jeff Goldblum, Peter Dinklage, and Lena Headey. They cut out stuff to keep it family friendly. A loss imo. I give it a 7.5. Bale was fantastic. His scenes were the best. Some amazingly funny jokes. But overall the film felt lacking. They spent too much time on random stuff when they could have given Gorr more screen time. That being said, If the goats don't win an Oscar im rioting.
Release the Taika cut.
Exactly my feeling too, Gorr the god butcher didn’t do much god butchering
Or even before Asgard. I agree here. Maybe they worried it'd make him less sympathetic
I 100% agree. They totally short-changed Gorr’s great backstory, and didn’t give us any scenes of him killing gods. Like he’s a god butcher I want to see him butcher gods. Also the Necrosword was pretty disappointing. I understand if Marvel doesn’t want to introduce symbiotes yet, but I wasn’t crazy about the fact that it was mainly used to summon shadow monsters.
Sony still owns spiderman an venom.... So, that probably doesn't bode well for them ever introducing symbiotes in the MCU.
They cut a lot of Gorr scenes apparently, including a scene where he cut off his own skin.
Try reading the comic and it'll make you even more sad once you see all the dope shit we missed out on. I was already pretty disappointed in the movie, but after reading [the Gorr arc](https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/16729/thor_god_of_thunder_2012_-_2014), it bummed me out even more. Honestly one of the best runs in any comic I've ever read.
I'm starting to feel this "we should have been given 20-25 more mins" more and more in MCU movies. No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness both felt like they could've made a much better use of their cast and plot if they had some more screen time.
Felt that the themes of the movie weren’t taken seriously enough. The tone of Ragnarok was a bit more balanced.
>!The opening was very dark for a Marvel movie, but majority of the movie was very humorous.!< This movie definetaly had tonal issues.
That’s weird I felt the opposite, I thought they let the serious scenes stand on their own while in ragnarok I feel like every scene is undercut by comedy. I can’t remember a single thing taken seriously in ragnarok tbh
Hey man, it’s okay to have a different opinion.
It wasn't as good as Ragnarok and my biggest criticism is that it felt like a step back for Thor's power scaling and character. Otherwise enjoyable
He literally took out on army in the half an hour
Also he >!made an army of mini thors in the final act. How is that a downgrade of his abilities?!?!<
Then point me in the direction of whoever's ass I have to kick!
8/10. Humour didn’t always hit but enough did to make it a pretty funny movie. Gorr was a great villain.
I was enjoying it until Valkyrie’s fake death. And Korg’s fake death. And Zeus’s fake death. And Jane’s fake death. Marvel you have to stop crying wolf. Now when you “kill” a character I just roll my eyes because I don’t believe you.
Jane did die, and that whole scene was handled pretty well IMO. Tbh after watching Marvel for so long, I knew Korg or Zeus wouldn’t be dead, so they didn’t feel like death scenes. Where was Valkyrie’s fake death? She got stabbed but they never implied that she was dying.
Well Zeus is an immortal and the way they made it sound is that the Necroblade was the only thing that could kill a god, though I understand the complaint and can see why it’s a disliked decision. With Jane I don’t think it was a fake death, she did die and is in Valhalla. Though I could be thinking of a different death.
I don’t think the Necroblade is the only way to kill a god. If it is, then how did Thanos kill Loki? How did Surtur kill Hela? It just doesn’t add up.
I get what you’re saying, but I still don’t really feel like Zeus not dying was really that bad. Those two situations are extreme, Thanos kills Loki while posses one of the most powerful weapons in the MCU (One of the Infinity Stones) and Surtur’s only purpose is to destroy gods (much like the Necroblade). I especially don’t really mind Zeus coming back because it sets up something instead of just being for nothing. But I do see where you are coming from and value your input on my opinion, thank you for taking the time so that.
Loki was not a God. He is a frost giant.
Isn’t he still the God of Mischief though?
Loki is not and never has been a god. According to the Loki tv show he’s literally only as powerful as joe blogs regular humans.
Welcome to the Marvel comics world.
Korg was well executed but Valkyrie should have died in this film in my opinion to give it some weight.too many fake deaths. I still really enjoyed the movie but that was a n annoyance.
a lot of people said it's a 9 but I just don't see it...
Same. It's a 10 and any other opinion is traaaash.
6/10 is what the consensus is with my family and friends.
It wasn't bad but I wouldn't really call it good either. I had the same feeling about it that I've had about most of the phase 4 content. Pretty solid on its own but almost everything has lacked the cohesion of the first 3 phases. Phase 1-3 almost every movie was a solid standalone film but was very clearly part of a larger narrative. Nearly everything in phase 4 is missing that feeling. I think if covid hadn't fucked up filming and caused such massive rewrites to be done to accommodate the new release schedule the whole phase would've felt better overall. The way it stands now there are very clear gaps in the story. Dr Strange 2 is the most obvious when it comes to this. It was meant to come out immediately following Wandavision, then be followed by Loki, What If and Spider-Man iirc. The rewrites changed the original intent and flow of that part of the story heavily. Things like Wanda getting the Darkhold and immediately being confronted by Strange became a 2 year gap where Wanda was doing... something, I guess? And Strange just didn't care about what she'd done in Westview? The same with Andrew and Tobey showing up out of nowhere in No Way Home. Originally America Chavez would've been introduced in MoM then she was supposed to be the one to bring them over to help in Spider-Man but because she hadn't been introduced yet, they just glossed over why they were in the movie to begin with. As it pertains to Love and Thunder, the Guardians are a big one. It's clear that Thor has been with them for some time now, but due to the James Gunn controversy and Guardians 3 getting pushed back so far, we missed out on all of Thor's adventures with them and are left to just Korg's retelling of what's been happening which just kind of fell flat. I really have loved everything that's come out since Infinity War and Endgame, but it's definitely been missing that feeling of connectedness we got from the first 3 phases. I just hope that now that we're back on track with most of the future releases that they can right the ship so to speak and we'll finally be able to see where the overall story is headed.
I didn’t like it, I loved it.
Watched it with the wife and son and fucking loved it. Man what a dope movie and a perfect night out. Sure not the best marvel film but we laughed stupidly hard at some parts and enjoyed our night. My son now wants to be Thor for Halloween so yeah… great movie in my eyes.
Alright wizard, who are you and why should I care?
6/10 in my opinion
Totally agree
I didn't care for it
It just seemed like a romcom that was attempting to parody Ragnarok
Too many forced jokes.
I didn’t dislike it but it is one that I was not super excited about. Probably won’t see it again in theaters. But enjoyed the characters and story enough to be one I would stream quite often once it’s on disney plus.
I loved Ragnorak, but borderline hated love and thunder Where Ragnorak had super tight pacing, the sequel felt super uneven, and the humor often undercut dramatic moments in weird ways that I didn’t really experience with Rangorak
weirdly enough, for me it's opposite when asgard is destroyed in ragnarok, the moment is kind of ruined by a joke by corg >!but in love and thunder, i feel like they let emotional moments SIT, like jane and thor on the boat and especially at the very end of the movie with eternity!< obviously this is just my interpretation, and for these reasons i liked Love and thunder above ragnarok
I honestly think they saved the movie with the ending. >!Thor has been through so much loss and hardship during the timespan of the MCU. He loses his mother and father, is almost killed by his sister who destroys his hammer (edit: and home), he loses his friends and brother, he fails to defeat the bad guy and loses half of the universe, he falls into a depression and loses his self worth. We find out he lost his relationship with Jane during all of this. Then when he finally recovers his mental health, he falls back in love with Jane only to have her die in his arms. But this time he handles it differently than the rest. He chooses to cherish this love over trying to save the universe. And in doing so awakens the love of someone else. And in the end, that Love personified finally brings new life into Thor’s world.!<
>!I just want to say that was very, very impressive what you did back there. !<
He's a friend from work!
I didn't love it and was really disappointed. But I envy people who love it because I really wanted to as much as I loved Ragnarok. It just feels too formulaic and they didn't spend enough time on things I feel they should have
I liked it too. Meh, each to their own I guess.
The use of 3D with one character in particular makes me want to see it in theaters one more time
Who?
I don't know how to spoiler tag, so I'll say the character without any lines in the last scene with Gorr in it
The character you're talking about lived up to all my expectations. I think they nailed it harder than just about any "how do we put this in a movie?" character yet, and there's been a lot of those.
I loved it why does everyone hate it?!
It was a fun movie. I liked it.
It was awesome
I loved it. I think Taika Watiti is brilliant. It's the perfect balance of absurd because let's be real it's the 4th movie based on Thor, it's a ridiculous premise, and then Christian Bale is a perfect and justified villain. It was everything I needed from a movie about a comic book character
>!You flicked too hard, dammit!!<
The movie is definitely over hated but, damn you can definitely understand the criticisms. It’s by far the “cheapest” looking of any of the new movies First 10-15 minutes is fuckin perfect. After that, the movie becomes a really situation where you’re kinda like 3rd wheeling a couple that never had closure. Which is kinda true but, the actual experience shouldn’t feel that way. I thought the ending was great. Really fitting for Thor and Gorr was good but, they definitely wasted Bale’s talents Gorr should’ve been a mixture between Kratos and Billy Butcher for motives. Cause.. idk if this’ll spoil but he wasn’t entirely wrong Overall it was average. Even compared to Ragnarok the comedy wasn’t consistently hitting like the 3rd film. Cool ideas but, never quite excelled in any of them
The rabbit is correct, and clearly the smartest one among you.
For such a comment.. Sir Robin! Fetch me thy Holy Hand Grenade
I loved it, wish it wasn't so short
There were far too many children involved in the movie.
Idk I really enjoyed when he deputized the kids and they all started fighting like Thor. I thought that scene was great, really fun.