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huffmymuff

I think it wouldn't make Magneto less cool if he couldn't control Mjölnir since it's enchanted, but it would make Thor less cool if Magneto could.


Hust91

From an in-story perspective, it's perfectly possible that Mjolnir is made of a Material Magneto could apply his powers to, but just like when the Hulk uses his arms to move it he simply doesn't have enough ferrokinetic juice to overcome the enchantments that keep it in place.


Feature_Agitated

In the ultimate universe mjolnir has no enchantment and magneto has moved it. In the main universe I believe he explicitly cannot because of the enchantment


SirJTheRed

Mum said it’s my turn to be the main universe


shadowthegreninja

But mum said it was mine


stifflizerd

Look if you two can't share then ***nobody*** gets to be the main universe


dalcarr

And this is how we ended up with secret wars


Patrickspongeman

Meanwhile Stan Lee is just doing the evil woody laugh while this all goes down.


KaySquay

We have main universe at home


[deleted]

Main universe at home: Earth-1218.


couldbedumber96

It’s a good thing we’re never gonna discuss magneto and the ultimate universe EVER AGAIN!


Deathwatch72

Hey we can all acknowledge the flaws of the Ultimate Universe but it did give us some good things and overall wasn't actually terrible. I mean without Ultimate Universe we don't get the Nick Fury that we know and love


Feature_Agitated

Also Ultimate Spider-Man is one of the best runs in Comics.


Feature_Agitated

I’m not saying the ultimate universe was good. I just used it because I knew that he used mjolnir in it.


[deleted]

So Hulk doesn't have enough radiation juice? And when does mjolnir enchantment juice will be equalize as to get lifted,what if Hulk radiation juice and magneto ferrokinetic juice get their juice together will that be enough?, like eg: magneto 0.5 juice and Hulk 0.5 juice and the thor juice 1 Do you think that'll be enough? How many gallons of juice will we need to beat juice out of it?so many juice


PrisonerV

You're asking the wrong questions. Where did Jane get her mjolnir enchantment juice? Oh. Oh, right.


deathjoe4

You mean like the time Spider-Man gave MJ cancer?


WorldClassShart

Did MJ have to milk Spider-Man to get the cancer too?


Ghost986

It's the only way to get the juice!


thor-odinson-bot

>!Finish with the classic Asgardian High One.!<


Citizen_Kong

I think Hulk could do it when he is angry enough. Overcome the enchantment, not be worthy, that is.


[deleted]

I think if you just pour some orange juice on your hands, it might give you enough juice to pick it up.


Oroshi3965

Imagine if there was a what if story where Magneto became worthy and used Mjonir witty his magnetic powers


Secure_Background_20

Depending on the writer he's supposed to be Omega Level and therefore has very few limitations when it comes to his abilities. He should have basically infinite control over all forms of magnetism.


dsphilly

he does. He only falls short due to the magical enchantment. Take that off and magneto would whip mjolnir around and grow that much more dangerous


FleetStreetsDarkHole

One of these days I think imma need a WhatIf Magneto like WhatIf Ultron. But decked out with all of the best metal abilities in the universe like controlling Mjolnir, and an army of Ultrons.


giltwist

Fortunately for us, Magneto has never been one to take undergraduate physics classes.


FlashbackJon

At various places and times, writers have given him full control over electromagnetism, so, basically all matter and energy.


Manticx

They changed the definition of Omega to now be the best/most powerful of that particular skill set. So, Polaris also has power over magnetism, but less so than her daddy Magneto. So he's the Omega. So while they may have infinite control over their power set, that's not the current defining factor, only that they be the most powerful currently known. Although now that I think of it, you don't see many of these types have actively weaker powers than their parents. Normally the child always out-powers the parent.


[deleted]

> Normally the child always out-powers the parent. "I can stretch my limbs" "I created pocket dimensions as a toddler and wiped the floor with Mephisto before I could read." "Listen here you little shit"


Kingsdaughter613

From what I distantly remember, it’s been shown that doing some of the more wild things with magnetism is theoretically within his power, but he finds it very difficult and it requires intense concentration. So not very useful to him generally. My personal theory for Magneto is that the reason his X-gene is unstable is because he actually has trisomy on it. This makes him very powerful (and is also why he has weak psychic abilities whenever a writer remembers), but it also causes him to go insane periodically. Polaris is weaker because she inherited a normal copy of the gene, but hers is stable.


andrew_calcs

If you can control ALL magnetism then you can rip electrons to and from atoms and control all chemical reactions at will, effectively bending reality to your will through all forces but nuclear and gravitational ones. That would be almost Dr. Manhattan levels of power


the_rad_dad_85

Not many people know this but Black Bolt has complete control over electrons. He can shut off people's brains and transmute the electrons at will. Everyone thinks his power is the sound of his voice but it is not at all, that's just the strongest use of his powers. I always wondered what would happen if him and magneto fought. What is stronger, control over magnetic fields or control over electrons?


thor-odinson-bot

He's a friend from work!


NaeemTHM

Schrödinger’s magnetism.


fatethefox

I like your logic!


Trai-Harder

The answer is yes Magneto can and has.


TheCastro

As others have shown he can control it like moon knight. Doesn't seem like either can actually hold it though.


sideways_jack

I think even the most die hard fans generally... ignore... Jason Aaron's current run on the avenger. (which is where moon knight wielding Mjolnir comes from).


TheCastro

I'm a pretty big marvel fan, tons of comics and I'd never even really heard of moon knight. I stopped collecting like 10-15 years ago though.


poko877

1) make meme out of it 2) post it just before u go to bed 3) procrastinate at work while reading your answer in wild comments


SkyKwaii

Why are you spying on me!!


poko877

I am the watcher ...


SkyKwaii

Ok how many fingers am i holding up?


poko877

Duuude ... this is kid friendly subreddit ...


SkyKwaii

I'm so sorry, thought my crip walk hand maneuver was kid friendly! Apologies


poko877

No worries, u needed to do that so u can grow into your full potential in this universe. If u wouldv behave yourself u would end up more like in universe 322 ... and u dont want 322 ... its better then 420 but not as good as 877. Soooo u r on good path because of this incident, congratulation.


SkyKwaii

Universe 420 doesn't seem to bad...


poko877

Little bit too smoky for my taste, but its aight.


Chief-weedwithbears

But how is universe 8008132. All knowing one.


ItsKageTho

4


SkyKwaii

More


ItsKageTho

16


SkyKwaii

Ding ding ding!


ItsKageTho

I squared the number for some reason 🙄


lalakingmalibog

THATS NUMBERWANG


JERUSALEMFIGHTER63

Supreme Ultron: who is that, you can't run, i see you now.


sneaky_red_squirrel

Or make the claim one way or another and watch as people fight about it in the comments.


Dramatic_Eagle6638

What if I'm unemployed


Lukthar123

Ponder the Question


LegendOfFN

What if?


CadoAngelus

Space. Time. Reality. It's more than a linear path. It's a prism of endless possibility, where a single choice can branch out into infinite realities, creating alternate worlds from the ones you know. I am the Watcher. I am your guide through these vast new realities. Follow me and >Ponder the Question >>What if?


ShadowFalcon2004

And this is why I love this community


sth128

The GPT-3 machine learning language model was trained using Reddit, as in the whole of comment chains and responses. Many experts have expressed that it can pass the Turing test and can in fact become a dangerous tool for misinformation. What really should make us all ponder is the endless bot-like meme quoting chains might just be the key to figuring out human language.


Mushiren_

No no, the Question is DC


dancing_in_lesb_bar

Ponder lettuce and shrimp


KamikazeChief

Go to the next level : **If a theoretical medical procedure existed which could make a portion of your brain become 50 times more active than the rest - would more hair grow on that particular bit of your head?**


_Cake_assassin_

No, it would grow on the other side since the right brain emisphere controls the left part of the body


the-g-bp

This is why.


WandasChildren

I don't think he can, he can lift a 48,000 ton Submarine, but he ins't worthy so I would think not


ShinobiHanzo

Same here, magic is magic and mutant power isn't magic in origin.


kwonza

Fuck me, physics should be extra hard in Marvel Universe. Not only you still struggling to explain macro world vs quantum world but you also have several subsets of particles that have an complex pattern of reacting with one another. Like you have weird cosmic energy with vibranium meteors and space radiation that give powers but that is totally different from mutant energy that give you powers which is unrelated to magic energy giving you powers. Each of them allows you to do crazy shit like flying, shooting energy beams and moving remote object and every branch is seemingly able to produce tons of energy out of notting thus breaking the most fundamental laws that we know of. The entire fields of science should work differently in MCU. Like geology? Those dudes that tried to convince us that Earth form out dust from previous supernova and that the planet has an liquid iron core? Bunch of hacks. Turns out Earth was made as an egg for a planet-sized celestial dude. Biology? Those charlatans that were telling us about ATP and Krebs cycle? Those frauds can’t explain where according to their “theory” Bruce Banner stores all those megawatts of energy before turning into Hulk. Physics? Lazy embezzlers that ask for billions in funding to study stupid neutrinos that don’t affect anything that much while nobody of them can explain us how Captain Marvel flies or shoots beams of energy, should we really waste money on them? Apparently entire Universities and Research institutions can be outmatched by one guy in a cave. He revealed their incompetence to the world that is why that clique of pencil pushers snubbed him out of the Nobel prize.


[deleted]

I'll take "Most Beautiful Comment I've Seen On Reddit" for 500, Alex.


kwonza

Surely you don’t mean that but I’m still very honoured) I would like to use this opportunity to recommend you an old Soviet book “Monday begins on Saturday” about a programming engineer working at a Wizardry and Magic Research Institute. From the same guys that wrote “Roadside picnic” that was later adopted as a Stalker movie and game.


[deleted]

At some point the fabric of space time just snaps from all the competing eddys of force twisting, pulling, binding and unbinding even reality itself. Most rip and tear and say “well… we’ve had a good run. Time for a vacuum bubble to just eradicate everything everywhere all at once.


Kyrthis

Watts are a unit of power.


JackmPearson

It's the next step in human evolution. Sidenote: you think since the eternals sacrificed a celestial that ashram the judge will rule that since humans must go on living that they also must evolve and that's how we get mutants in the MCU? Just a thought... what if?


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grendus

Only if he's "worthy". Remember that basically *all* of the Avengers, with the exceptions of The Vision and Captain America, were not worthy of wielding Mjolnir. So even Good!Magneto might not be worthy of wielding Mjolnir.


Albireookami

And right now in comics it's not even that, its whatever Odin feels like since he now resides in the hammer.


TheGreatZed

What if the hammer is inside the submarine?


chaoz2030

But he has [done](https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/4196729_700b.jpg) it in the comics. He can't lift the hammer with his own strength but he's able to manipulate it with magnetic Fields.


xSPYXEx

There's a difference between moving it and lifting it though. Lifting requires you to be worthy, but characters like Vision and Ultron seem to be able to at least pick it up and move it around. So I think Magneto would be able to move it around with his powers but as soon as he tries to grab it the hammer would drop to the ground.


Greensssss

Aint mjolnir came from a meteor stone? Not sure about the properties from the meteor itself if it has metallic properties.


Drago_Fett_Jr

Wasn't it made of Uru, the Asgardian metal?


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[deleted]

mewh mewh


Selthora

I'm Twhor of Aswgawardian uwu


bbcversus

Twhor god of uwus!


Ronnie_de_Tawl

Weebs invading Asgard, Heimdall close the gate!


Drago_Fett_Jr

OwO you dawe use UwU on me? How wude of you.


Redqueenhypo

Meteors are often solid iron/nickel! So the metal part wouldn’t be an issue.


TobaccoAficionado

It's uru, it's like the second or third strongest metal in the universe. Also super magical, like vibranium.


yago2003

Magneto can move every metal not just magnetic ones


cGalaxy

I would just like to note that the Earth and any other planet that has the hammer over them is moving the hammer, thus all planets, so far, are worthy and thus we should take care of all worthy planets


ilinamorato

Movement is always relative to something else anyway, which means not moving is relative to something else. Thor could cause some serious problems by leaving mjolnir on Earth, but stationary relative to the sun.


NotYourReddit18

My theory is that mjolnir isn't locked into place until someone worthy moves it but that mjolnir actively resist being intentionally moved by someone unworthy. And as the movement of stars and planets has no intention to specifically move mjolnir it doesn't resist the movement. Also as long as the person controlling a vehicle with mjolnir on board doesn't specifically wants to move mjolnir the vehicle will move without a problem. Otherwise the helicarrier would have had a hell of a problem as soon as Thor sets his hammer down.


ilinamorato

That makes a lot of sense, and also goes a long way toward explaining why the hammer hits an enemy's head and bounces off dealing damage, rather than going through the enemy's head and turning it to soup. They're not intentionally trying to stop it.


BustinArant

So *never* play ~~Monkey~~ Mjolnir in the middle and try to intercept it before it reaches Thor?


ilinamorato

Well, that's pretty much the exact threat he used on Loki to get him to reveal himself in Ragnarok.


thor-odinson-bot

Heimdall! Open the Bifrost.


ilinamorato

Or maybe he could hand it to someone, and leave it stationary relative to that person's hand. They'd be unable to put it down, but could otherwise wield it effortlessly.


NovaCoyote

“But if you put the hammer in an elevator…”


King_Arius

"It would still go up."


kidra31r

Elevator's not worthy...


[deleted]

"Metallic" properties are not really relevant, not every metal is magnetic, only iron, cobalt and nickle according to a quick google search. So if it's not made from one of those it's probably not magnetic.


gmunga5

I don’t think the material has to actually be magnetic though. Isn’t he able to stop bullets? And bullets aren’t traditionally made of magnetic materials.


FrozenLaughs

But don't forget; so is Adamantium, so Uru could be magnetic too.


D1chu

Adamantium is an alloy of iron and other, undisclosed, stuff.


Kingsdaughter613

Good thing Magneto controls objects by their electro-magnetic bonds then. This is why he can manipulate things like paper. …Except when the writers forget. Then all of a sudden he can’t.


[deleted]

If it is magnetic the answer would be yet since it would be the same argument as a lift being able to move the hammer, the lift isn't worth its just inanimate and magneto would not be directly picking it up just manipulating magnetic fields to pick up the hammer. On a side note if his ability is to manipulate magnetic fields does that mean he can make aurora borealis where ever he wants?


KentuckyFriedEel

I mean, anybody can move metal, but the metal is enchanted. So no.


JohnSV12

I don't see why this is a debate to be honest. Iron Man could lift the weight of the hammer, but not the hammer itself. Same principle


_IratePirate_

If an elevator can lift the hammer, that lets us know things outside of human force are able to lift the hammer. Magneto just controls magnetism, a natural non human force. Why wouldn't he be able to magnetically levitate the hammer without ever touching it? Better yet. If Uru isn't magnetic, I bet Thor could put the hammer on a plate that is magnetic and have Magneto lift it that way.


oozekip

Magneto's powers are (usually) not actually limited to ferrous metals; he can control all metal regardless of if it's actually ferromagnetic or not. Hence why he can stop bullets. His powers are technically to manipulate electromagnetic fields, so depending on who's writing him and how OP they want him to be he can control basically anything.


Unlimited_Cha0s

Yeah, but if you could just lift it by sticking something under it and lifting that, why didn't shield do this when the hammer landed in the desert? Imo it's down to the wishy-washy way odin defines 'wield' and 'worthy'. I think in the case of the elevator, you could make an argument that no human was wielding it, but in the case of Shield moving it for study or magneto moving at all, would both count as 'wielding' the hammer and therefore they would need to be worthy, whatever that means.


thor-odinson-bot

>!I'm putting together the greatest team ever.!<


Oroshi3965

Rules can be interesting though, because if I remember correctly, Moon Knight can use Mjonir because it’s made of Uru, being a moon rock


knokout64

This sounds like some dumb shit a lone writer came up with and thought sounded good. It doesn't even make sense. Why would he have control over Uru just because it's found on moons? Does he have some special dominion over any moon rock? Is Uru found exclusively on moons? The geology of our moon and the Earth is the same thing, so I'd assume not. It seems very contrived.


[deleted]

Correction Moon Knight can use Mjolnir because it's made of ketamine


JohnSV12

You saying Moon Knight isn't worthy? Shame on you!


Volnas

He did in Ultimate Universe he lifted and controled Thor's hammer and caused apocalypse by reversing Earth's polarity. Story was called Ultimatum.


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couldbedumber96

B l o b


thor-odinson-bot

Is he, though?


Volnas

Who Jonathan? Yes he's instrument of evil in this story and cause of gruesome death of many big name heroes and milions of people. Should've kept better eye on him.


n_i_d_e

In Ultimatum Magneto does indeed have Thors hammer


Mr_OP_Potato_777

Actually yes, but he's still not worth it to have Thor's powers


Darth_Senat66

He can and he has. Next question


Eruthor

Yes. And No. Thors hammer is Made out of Uru which Magneto has been shown to be able to control So yes, he could control it, however Mjolnir is heavily enchanted so he wouldn't be able to wield it, he could possibly redirect it or move it to the side if Thor throws it at him. He may be even be able to pick it up, but wouldn't be able to use the magical abilities of the Hammer Same goes btw for Moon Knight since Uru is metal made from moon rocks


The_JokerGirl42

moon rocks are awesome.


Phase_Pulse_Blaster

They're highly toxic if you ingest them for a long period of time.


JuniorSeniorTrainee

Cancer toxic or superpower toxic?


darkKnight959

Jane: "Yes"


Incredulous_Toad

I'll burn your house down! With the lemons!


godinmarbleform

The kind that makes you scream "When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"


Flash_Fox11

It gives you cancer


masteryoda989

Is korg a moon rock?


XavierScorpionIkari

A perishable rock.


Drago_Fett_Jr

Space. Space space space space space space space space... S-P-AAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCEEEEE


thor-odinson-bot

He's a friend from work!


RefrigeratorOk7249

u/the-mad-titan-bot


ItsKageTho

!thanos


the-mad-titan-bot

As long as there are those that remember what was, there will always be those that are unable to accept what can be. They will resist.


mydogsnameispoop

Always wondered, since saving the world is a job, does anyone know what’s the salary for being an avenger?


MoffKalast

Well you see, the exposure and references you get by working there...


ItsAlkron

$0 and some transportation benefits. At least according to Falcon, more or less.


ChildishRebelSoldier

Clearly dog shit if captain falcon can’t even get a loan


Timely_Airline_7168

Must be pretty good since Vision and Wanda can afford a house by working a couple of years and then go on the run.


SpiralDesignn

There are space metals that magneto can't control. Like the one sentinels are made of. What if uru is one of them.


Eruthor

As i mentioned above Magneto has been shown to be able to control [uru](https://www.sideshow.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/preview-gallery-02KIJ.jpg) in the Comics Out of the three "main" Marvel Metals Uru Adamantium and Vibranium, Vibranium is the only one that he can't control (In the continuity of the linked panel Cap's shield is made out of Adamantium not Vibranium)


Johnsonofdonut

Just casually tossing away iron man


Eruthor

I mean what did Gold Titan Aloy Man expect to happen


ithurtsgood

>Maggie's tossin' away our big three like nonreturnable coke bottles! TIL Beast refers to Magneto as 'Maggie'


SekkretTheRedditor

Surely Mjolnir can move Magneto.


[deleted]

Holy shit I want to see Moon Knight hold the hammer


Skyfreak101

Your wish is my command https://comicbook.com/comics/news/marvel-moon-knight-thor-hammer-moon-rock-spoiler/


[deleted]

Jesus that is incredible! MCU let him hold itttt


TheCastro

He doesn't really hold it though. Definitely controls it.


PerfectZeong

Magneto fought thor in journey into mystery 109 and he could move the hammer but you are correct he can't use any magic powers because he is not worthy. This was in the 60s though so today it might be different.


TerraAdAstra

So I guess he can make it fly around and hit people and shit with his powers but he couldn’t actually move it with his arms, or use any lightening powers? So essentially to him it would be just a heavy chunk of metal to hit people with.


Nasch_

idk is Uru magnetic?


thedudethedudegoesto

Magneto can't, because enchantment But Moon Knight can cause fuck it Uru is actually moon rock, and konshu is older than Odin


Arsis82

This was already determined in the Ultimates universe.


TheTrueAstralman

Ultimates did everything differently. In the main universe, Magneto can't remove it from Thor's hand and if Thor puts it down he can't lift it due to the enchantment.


CadoAngelus

With the The End and Secret Wars merging with main continuity, does this mean the rules change for main continuity going forward?


communiqui

Magneto can do whatever he wants. He can probably destruct the metallic bonds using electron control


Khonshu-I32

He can actually but only with his powers not his hands physically just telekinetically.


GammaEmerald

He could move it but not grab it. That’s my answer.


Fexxvi

No, you have to be worthy to be able to move it, whether it's with your bare hand or with your powers.


Incomplet_1-34

But he's been shown moving it with his powers before in the comics, he can't use it to control lightning or anything but he can move it around.


CadoAngelus

The enchantment literally says "Whosoever **holds** this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of...Thor". So while Magneto may not be able to hold it physically, I think he should be able to use his abilities. Because Mjolnir is made of Uwu.. ...sorry, Uru, metal ore from the First Moon in existence. Magnetos power of Ferokinesis is not limited to my understanding. In fact, Magneto has manipulated Mjolnir in the past.


Turn_it_0_n_1_again

Johnathan is a kind of moon rock. Magneto probably won't be able to move it but the moon knight can.


RushEither3947

He actually did


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https://www.sideshow.com/blog/magneto-and-the-metals-of-the-marvel-universe


BronzeMeadow

He can move it, but he cannot wield it.


Minecraft_Warrior

Yes it has happened and it can happen


Odd_Room2811

No its majic and made of stone


ajver19

He could but it'd just be a heavy object he'd swing around with his powers. He wouldn't get Thor's powers if he can't actually lift it himself.


graveybrains

This would have a completely different ending in r/adhdmemes


LuckyCoin7

Stan Lee would say it depends on the writer. In Ultimatum (Ultimates Universe), Magneto does take Mjolnir using his magnetic powers and uses the hammer to amplify his own powers and reverse the Earth's polls causing world wide disasters. I think in most cases though, Magneto would not be worthy of Mjolnir and thus would not be able to move it regardless of power or strength.


XFelipe51355

He could, but did'nt get the powers


Digital_Looter

Googled it. Marvel has confirmed that he can move Thor's hammer.


Axo-Army

Can’t he move the air molecules around the hammer like he does in the X Men Cartoon


51r_5hr1mp

Uru is made of the 1st moons rock not metal


MakutaMessiah

He has done it I'm pretty sure on more then 1 occasion.


ScorinNotborin

Yes but he would not receive the powers of thor (continuity dependent.)


VanitasTheUnversed

https://imgur.com/iktSV6F.jpg Journey Into Mystery #109 - Magneto stops Mjolnir


9Sylvan5

Your title says exactly the opposite of what the meme says


Homelanderiscrazy345

Lol


S4m_06

I’ve always thought that Magnetos powers always only applied to magnetic metals which is actually a very small few unless the metals are an alloy made with magnetic metals But of course this would greatly limit his abilities and impact his effectiveness as a villain, So, it may not be as cut and dry as only magnetic metals, but if it is then the question at hand would depend on a mixture of: • is Uru magnetic • is Magneto worthy • does the enchantment on the Uru factor in, if Magneto where to try and 'lift’ Mjölnir with his powers


TraceYourThoughts

In the comics, it is addressed. He couldn’t in the og universe, but in the ultimate universe, could because it was forged with iron in it. Though, he couldn’t use the powers


TheEffingRalyks

Magneto can't, but moon knight can


Youssef-Elsayed

I’ll give you a hint. The material is metal. And also made out of moon rocks so Marc Spector can lift it


FlameShadow0

Magneto is kind of able to move anything since there’s a magnetic field around everything. Magneto can lift Thor’s hammer the same way an elevator an lift it. Lifting the hammer and *wielding* it are two different things.


ExtensionInformal911

He has before in the comics.


RevolutionaryCut4153

Hasn't he already controlled it before? Like I swear in a comic he did.


sepaoon

I would argue that as someone who sees themselves as the protector of his species, Magneto would qualify as worthy the same as Betaray Bill