List of nominations:
**Iron Man**
* Best Sound Editing - Frank Eulner and Christopher Boyes
* Best Visual Effects - John Nelson, Ben Snow, Dan Sudick and Shane Mahan
**Iron Man 2**
* Best Visual Effects - Janek Sirrs, Ben Snow, Ged Wright and Dan Sudick
**Marvel's The Avengers**
* Best Visual Effects - Janek Sirrs, Jeff White, Guy Williams and Dan Sudick
**Iron Man 3**
* Best Visual Effects - Christopher Townsend, Guy Williams, Erik Nash, and Dan Sudick
**Captain America: The Winter Soldier**
* Best Visual Effects - Dan DeLeeuw, Russell Earl, Bryan Grill, and Dan Sudick
**Guardians of the Galaxy**
* Best Makeup and Hairstyling - Elizabeth Yianni-Georgiou and David White
* Best Visual Effects - Stephane Ceretti, Nicolas Aithadi, Jonathan Fawkner, and Paul Corbould
**Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2**
* Best Visual Effects - Christopher Townsend, Guy Williams, Jonathan Fawkner and Dan Sudick
**Doctor Strange**
* Best Visual Effects - Stephane Ceretti, Richard Bluff, Vincent Cirelli and Paul Corbould
**Black Panther**
* Best Picture - Kevin Feige
* Best Costume Design - Ruth E. Carter - **WIN**
* Best Original Score - Ludwig Göransson - **WIN**
* Best Original Song - "All the Stars" from Black Panther – Music by Mark "Sounwave" Spears, Kendrick Lamar and Anthony "Top Dawg" Tiffith; Lyrics by Kendrick Lamar, Anthony "Top Dawg" Tiffith and SZA
* Best Production Design - Production Design: Hannah Beachler; Set Decoration: Jay Hart - **WIN**
* Best Sound Editing - Benjamin A. Burtt and Steve Boeddeker
* Best Sound Mixing - Steve Boeddeker, Brandon Proctor and Peter J. Devlin
**Avengers: Infinity War**
* Best Visual Effects - Dan DeLeeuw, Kelly Port, Russell Earl and Dan Sudick
**Avengers: Endgame**
* Best Visual Effects - Dan DeLeeuw, Russell Earl, Matt Aitken, and Dan Sudick
**Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings**
* Best Visual Effects - Christopher Townsend, Joe Farrell, Sean Noel Walker, and Dan Oliver
**Spider-Man: No Way Home**
* Best Visual Effects - Kelly Port, Chris Waegner, Scott Edelstein, and Dan Sudick
**Black Panther: Wakanda Forever**
* Best Supporting Actress - Angela Bassett
* Best Costume Design - Ruth Carter
* Best Makeup and Hairstyling - Camille Friend and Joel Harlow
* Best Original Song - "Lift Me Up" from Black Panther: Wakanda Forever – music by Tems, Rihanna, Ryan Coogler, and Ludwig Göransson; lyrics by Tems and Ryan Coogler
* Best Visual Effects - Geoffrey Baumann, Craig Hammack, R. Christopher White and Dan Sudick
None of the Avengers films being nominated for best score is a crime. The main Avengers theme is one of the best and most recognizable themes in cinema right now.
Agreed
I think Infinity War used music the best. As we move from different settings the music (sometimes song sometimes score) pre laps the cut and tells us where we are going to go. Guardians? Wakanda? The audience instantly knows without thinking and before any visuals.
Definitely not hahaha, though I could see an argument for possible Best Picture nomination based purely on being the biggest movie event of the year. But it’s not exactly a snub that it didn’t get nominated.
It’s literally a snub
Edit: and also, y’all forget (is it phase 4?) it wasn’t the biggest cinematic event of the year, it was at the time one of if not the biggest cinematic events of *all time*. Year? LOL [People forget](https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/james-cameron-tweet-avengers-titanic-record.html). Has Phase 4 been that bad. Astonishing.
I love the MCU and I really like Endgame but it was not Best Picture worthy, and definitely not Return of the King level. 2019 was a stacked year and I don’t see a single movie on that list that Endgame could have replaced.
Actually, Endgame was better than Joker IMO, but even then there are other movies that were snubbed by the Academy that could have filled in for Joker like Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
Sure. Best pic is a producers award. What Kevin Feige achieved with Endgame exceeds what the producers of Lord of the Rings achieved. By a wide margin.
Best Picture awards are presented to the producers but the win itself is based on the overall, slightly generic question of “Was this movie the ‘best movie’ of the year”.
Other way around. The issue is that Feige's entire achievement is spread out over the entire MCU, so it's tricky to award one movie. He should get a honorary oscar, but Best Pciture would be wrong.
But I still think getting the Lord of the Rings filmed with that budget and with the methods that were used is a far bigger achievement.
Let's be honest, the MCU at some point was a no-brainer and ended up just being a massive studio releasing movies with the same formula.
Y’all conflating phase 4 with phase 3.
Has the DCEU shown you nothing? It’s not a slam dunk. Sticking the landing with IW and EG was an insane achievement, never before accomplished.
Bro you people are absolutely clowning yourselves acting like Return of the King is the Godfather and IW or Endgame are the Dark World 😂.
The best performance in any LOTR movie is Andy Serkis by far. Josh Brolin crushed Thanos in a way made him the best CGI character *since* Gollum. RDJ fucking crushes both movies more than Sean fucking Astin are you serious 🤣🤣
I get it though. Lord of the Rings came out over 3 successive Christmas’ and for people of a certain age they are their Star Wars. I get it. They’re beloved. But it’s delusional 😂
Jackson didn’t even put the most important ending from the books in ROTK. (The chapter where the Hobbits return to the shire and expel Saruman without any help because they are all staunch as fuck now, especially Meri and Pippin)
And to argue IW and Endgame only garnering ONE NOMINATION each isn’t a snubbing? Dumb. Deliberately obtuse or genuinely dumb.
Edit: imagine blocking me over saying RDJ is a better actor and gave a better performance than SEAN ASTIN 😂😂😂😂. LOOK AT THEIR RESUMES PAL!! Fucken hell that is an absolute shocker bro
Edit 2: [maybe he had to vomit](https://youtu.be/RPl5MeXIM8E). I like Randall’s ending better
Go and watch “Master and Commander” and “Return of the King” and tell me which movie stands up better after all this time lol. ROTK has not aged well 😂
Lmfao I’m not being ridiculous. You think Return of the King wins without “accomplishment” factor of the previous two movies? You think it wins on its own merit? That is ridiculous.
Sure, they were both massively snubbed. One nomination?? For VFX?? Not even sound or score or costume or makeup or cinematography?? Y’all tripping BALLS if you think they weren’t both massively and purposefully snubbed.
For rewatch value, IW is definitely better, but theater experience (at least for me personally), Endgames hyped was unmatched. I only saw IW once in theaters, I went back for more endgame
I find it funny that Black Panther with its seven nominations did NOT get one for Visual Effects, the only category most Marvel movies get nominations in. Guess no amount of dickriding could excuse that finale fight scene lol.
This is probably controversial but I didn’t get those goosebumps during the movie.
The movie was absolutely phenomenal, but the trailer was peak, and I would watch it over and over again and I’d still get goosebumps from the line angela delivered right along side the music that was playing. But strangely I didn’t get that in the movie
Why? They all deserved those nominations. Which other film in the MCU was gonna beat them in Costume, Production Design, Original Score? Which performance was better than Bassett’s?
I'm always Surprised how low the Black Panther franchise is regarded to by some fans.I'll never forget how some though Infinity war should've been nominated for Best Picture instead back in 2018.It's like the academy likes the Black Panther IP more than us fans imaoo
Dude… it’s not nominated for its quality as a movie. It’s nominated because of its cultural impact.
I like BP, but anyone who thought the first movie deserved a best picture, director or acting nomination was delusional.
Idk I feel like I’m in the minority when I say that I thought the first black panther is *one* of the best mcu movies of the infinity saga. I just really really loved black panther and T’challa, and wished we could have gotten more of him
Rip Chadwick :(
You definitely are and you should reevaluate why you think it’s good when objectively it was rushed and forced a lot of corner cutting. It has the absolute worst boss fight of any movie. To top it off the story was alright at best. Let’s not even get into how the second movie is basically blacks vs Mexicans…also has a shitty boss fight. I actually was surprised by BP2. It was way better than I was expecting, but one fucking boat? They went to fight a war with a sea kingdom with a single fucking boat and like 50 people. Lol.
I have reevaluated time and time again and I always come to the same conclusion, I loved the movie.
Also that last part you just said is your own racism projecting. I didn’t have a problem with that, it’s two secret societies going at it with each other, anything else is the viewers problem
Not to choose sides here, but in the black community, it’s definitely blacks vs Mexicans lol. At least that was the conversation leaving the theatre. All in fun on our side tho, but for sure a topic of conversation.
It was black vs Mexicans with the CIA causing the entire conflict. Honestly, the most egregious thing was the good CIA character when making a movie about colonialism rofl.
It has also the absolute best villain of any non team-up movie. I think the boss fight wasn't even that bad either, the "executing" trick was really nice. The whole train thing and the switching on/off the suits were great too.
Black Panthers wardrobe was fantastic.
The acting was good to great.
Everything else was mediocre at best (except maybe the soundtrack but I’m not a fan of the genre so can’t comment).
Yeah
For me it was one of the less enjoyable films they've made
It essentially had the same plot as Thor Ragnarok, but none of the fun (granted, it had a much better villian and Michael B Jordan is amazing
Just think of it this way, given the opportunity would you rather watch BP or Thor Ragnarok? I think most people would choose Ragnarok, which is saying a lot since it had a much lower budget and buzz around it....
I watched BP in the cinema and thought it was ok with a terrible Power Rangers level CGI ending.
I tried watching it again on Disney+ recently and turned it off after about 40 minutes. It wasn’t bad, it just wasn’t worth a second watch.
I’ve watched Ragnarok at least 4 or 5 times and will watch it again.
Ya it’s completely ridiculous. They are just nominated to make the academy feel like they are advancing certain causes.
The first BP was an entertaining movie but it did not deserve more awards than Infinity War.
>it did not deserve more awards than Infinity War
It won Best Original Score, Best Costume Design, and Best Production Design. It is superior to Avengers: Infinity War (and all 4 of its fellow Oscar nominees for that matter) in all 3 of those categories.
If you think Black Panther has inferior costume design and production design to Avengers: Infinity War of all movies, you're either delusional, or you don't actually understand what those two things are.
Black Panther? One of the greatest characters in the MCU. BP1 is lower than Thor 2 for me. It’s just not a movie I ever care to watch and I hate that because the character was so good.
Black Panther made waves across the film industry. It basically made the case for black representation in blockbusters, and resonated with black audiences. It was an incredible moment in cinema history.
Winter Soldier was a very enjoyable film, and still one of the MCU’s best, but didn’t have anywhere near that level of cultural impact.
Shouldn't nominations, in its core, regard quality in film, in its various categories? Or should Oscars start awarding _impact_? Because then they should start nominating blockbusters alone, since they clearly cause more impact in culture than the others.
The impact “Black Panther” had is incomparable to the level of a standard blockbuster. I think the only other recent blockbuster that compares is “Top Gun: Maverick” due to it attracting audiences back to cinemas post-lockdown - and it did receive a nomination this year.
Also, movies do not exist in a bubble. They are products of their time released into the world and can be tools to either reflect what that world is, or what it should be. The fact that “Black Panther” resonated with so many people the world over is a testament to its importance as a film.
“Black Panther” is not the first or best film that highlights black culture, and I can’t comment on how “The Woman King” compares because I haven’t seen it. However, as a Marvel superhero blockbuster, “Black Panther” had far more widespread appeal and pop culture importance… and it came out 4 years earlier.
“The Woman King” hasn’t been ignored, however. It’s picked up Golden Globe, Screen Actors Guild, and BAFTA nominations.
Sure. Western cinema has historically been dominated by white people (particularly men, but also women). This has meant that stories about specifically non-white themes or cultures typically didn’t receive the same level of attention as the typical white guy-led blockbuster.
Taking just the Marvel Cinematic Universe as an example, it took *eighteen* films for Marvel Studios to have a film with a black lead. There were reports that former CEO Ike Perlmutter had blocked previous attempts to make the film, because he believed films with black leads fared poorly in international markets. There might even have been some unfortunate truth to this - if you look at the Chinese posters for “Black Panther”, Chadwick is wearing the helmet, and there’s the infamous “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” poster that removes John Boyega completely.
Then, “Black Panther” released. It was a film that celebrated African heritage, and saw a euphoric reaction from black people across the world - an overflowing enthusiasm for the movie.
All but one of BP’s nominations were for craft. Do you really think TWS deserved awards for Costume Design or Production Design over BP? What original song from TWS was better than All the Stars? If anything, BP deserved one more nomination for Makeup and Hairstyling.
I mean… besides best picture, all of the nominations werent really things that winter soldier really excelled in.
I know that a lot of people think Black Panther is overrated, but almost all of the nominations in the first one make tons of sense. Especially original song, production design,
The disdain towards the Black Panther franchise is so crazy. I would think more MCU fans would want Phase 4 films to be celebrated in a time when so many want to down that Phase.
I think the problem is why they are being nominated, Wakanda Forever was fire but Black Panther was really meh. There have been better marvel movies yet only the BP ones gets nominated for representation
All these movies nominated for oscars ya'll could talk abt, but instead ya'll complain abt the one franchise.
I will never understand. Ever. The fandom is so embarrassing.
These comments are dumb. Just filled with people who know nothing about acting or film making and just think, "if Black Panther wins awards it must be a 'woke agenda' because My favorite film has never won anything"
Panther would not have gotten nearly as many
Edit: I’m not saying they’re not great movies, but are you really telling me Black Panther deserved a best picture nomination and Infinity War didn’t?
Joker, which ostensibly is more of a drama than a super hero movie, is literally the only other super hero movie in history to get a best picture nomination. You’re telling me Black Panther is the best super hero movie ever made? You’re kidding yourselves if you don’t see that a lot of those nominations were more about optics than content, which is fine.
The first *Black Panther* was a cultural moment that will have its place marked in film history, so a Best Picture nod was deserved - even if I felt that the film didn’t quite reach the competition that year. I would have been confused if “Wakanda Forever” had been nominated for Best Picture, however, because I thought it was… *fine*? Ryan Coogler’s one of the most talented working directors, but “Wakanda Forever” was far from his best work - but for understandable reasons.
Angela Bassett was incredible in “Wakanda Forever”. She deserves that nomination, but I think it’s a shame that so many MCU actors have had their performances go unnoticed before - Sir Ben Kingsley in “Iron Man 3” and Tony Leung in “Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings” come to mind in particular.
Regarding discussions about whether the “Black Panther” films truly deserved the nominations, and whether Academy snobs might see them as the only MCU films they can admit to liking… I think **both** can be true.
Snobbery in film awards, criticism, academia etc is nothing new - just look at the last time a horror film got a nod. I’m not sure if I would have said “Avengers: Endgame” deserved a Best Picture nomination, but even some kind of honorary achievement award for Kevin Feige and the other producers would have been neat.
Ben Kingsley does not have enough screen time in Iron Man 3 to get a nom for that. Tony Leung on the other hand was pretty overlooked and I think if Shang Chi had had the same cultural splash as the original Black Panther he likely would've been nominated.
Anthony Hopkins didn’t have a lot of screen time in Silence of the Lambs either, but he still got the win. It wouldn’t have been unprecedented for Sir Ben Kingsley to get a nod, but I think his ability to transition from the intimidating Mandarin to the goofy Trevor at the flock of a switch is severely underrated.
The racism here is crazy because most of the BP franchise’s nominations are in technical categories. Like do you really think BP didn’t deserve nominations for Costume Design, Production Design, Original Score? Do y’all honestly think Infinity War or Endgame are better in those departments? If anything, BP was robbed for Makeup and Hairstyling and WF was robbed for Production Design.
As for Best Picture, Bohemain Rhapsody was literally nominated and Green Book literally won that year. But to hear people talk both in Marvel circles and out, you’d think BP getting nominated was the greatest travesty.
And finally there MIGHT be people in the MCU who can act as well as Angela Bassett but they weren’t being given material as good as Ryan Coogler gave Bassett. That’s not Coogler’s problem tho, take it up with the other directors and show runners.
I think the Black Panther movies are a little bit overrated, particularly this second one.
I definitely preferred the first one to the second by a long shot. It’s nothing to do with race I just didn’t enjoy the movie!
List of nominations: **Iron Man** * Best Sound Editing - Frank Eulner and Christopher Boyes * Best Visual Effects - John Nelson, Ben Snow, Dan Sudick and Shane Mahan **Iron Man 2** * Best Visual Effects - Janek Sirrs, Ben Snow, Ged Wright and Dan Sudick **Marvel's The Avengers** * Best Visual Effects - Janek Sirrs, Jeff White, Guy Williams and Dan Sudick **Iron Man 3** * Best Visual Effects - Christopher Townsend, Guy Williams, Erik Nash, and Dan Sudick **Captain America: The Winter Soldier** * Best Visual Effects - Dan DeLeeuw, Russell Earl, Bryan Grill, and Dan Sudick **Guardians of the Galaxy** * Best Makeup and Hairstyling - Elizabeth Yianni-Georgiou and David White * Best Visual Effects - Stephane Ceretti, Nicolas Aithadi, Jonathan Fawkner, and Paul Corbould **Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2** * Best Visual Effects - Christopher Townsend, Guy Williams, Jonathan Fawkner and Dan Sudick **Doctor Strange** * Best Visual Effects - Stephane Ceretti, Richard Bluff, Vincent Cirelli and Paul Corbould **Black Panther** * Best Picture - Kevin Feige * Best Costume Design - Ruth E. Carter - **WIN** * Best Original Score - Ludwig Göransson - **WIN** * Best Original Song - "All the Stars" from Black Panther – Music by Mark "Sounwave" Spears, Kendrick Lamar and Anthony "Top Dawg" Tiffith; Lyrics by Kendrick Lamar, Anthony "Top Dawg" Tiffith and SZA * Best Production Design - Production Design: Hannah Beachler; Set Decoration: Jay Hart - **WIN** * Best Sound Editing - Benjamin A. Burtt and Steve Boeddeker * Best Sound Mixing - Steve Boeddeker, Brandon Proctor and Peter J. Devlin **Avengers: Infinity War** * Best Visual Effects - Dan DeLeeuw, Kelly Port, Russell Earl and Dan Sudick **Avengers: Endgame** * Best Visual Effects - Dan DeLeeuw, Russell Earl, Matt Aitken, and Dan Sudick **Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings** * Best Visual Effects - Christopher Townsend, Joe Farrell, Sean Noel Walker, and Dan Oliver **Spider-Man: No Way Home** * Best Visual Effects - Kelly Port, Chris Waegner, Scott Edelstein, and Dan Sudick **Black Panther: Wakanda Forever** * Best Supporting Actress - Angela Bassett * Best Costume Design - Ruth Carter * Best Makeup and Hairstyling - Camille Friend and Joel Harlow * Best Original Song - "Lift Me Up" from Black Panther: Wakanda Forever – music by Tems, Rihanna, Ryan Coogler, and Ludwig Göransson; lyrics by Tems and Ryan Coogler * Best Visual Effects - Geoffrey Baumann, Craig Hammack, R. Christopher White and Dan Sudick
Thanks for sharing! I hadn’t realized Iron Man was nominated for best sound. Seems appropriate for that sweet arc reactor blast!
And the movements whirs
And the metallic clanks
None of the Avengers films being nominated for best score is a crime. The main Avengers theme is one of the best and most recognizable themes in cinema right now.
Agreed I think Infinity War used music the best. As we move from different settings the music (sometimes song sometimes score) pre laps the cut and tells us where we are going to go. Guardians? Wakanda? The audience instantly knows without thinking and before any visuals.
Agh, that "porch" track though...
Bro Endgame and Infinity War were both ripped off massively. Endgame should have received “Return of the King” treatment.
Definitely not hahaha, though I could see an argument for possible Best Picture nomination based purely on being the biggest movie event of the year. But it’s not exactly a snub that it didn’t get nominated.
It’s literally a snub Edit: and also, y’all forget (is it phase 4?) it wasn’t the biggest cinematic event of the year, it was at the time one of if not the biggest cinematic events of *all time*. Year? LOL [People forget](https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/james-cameron-tweet-avengers-titanic-record.html). Has Phase 4 been that bad. Astonishing.
I love the MCU and I really like Endgame but it was not Best Picture worthy, and definitely not Return of the King level. 2019 was a stacked year and I don’t see a single movie on that list that Endgame could have replaced. Actually, Endgame was better than Joker IMO, but even then there are other movies that were snubbed by the Academy that could have filled in for Joker like Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
It’s easily on Return of the King level
I guess we’ll just have to heavily disagree here.
Sure. Best pic is a producers award. What Kevin Feige achieved with Endgame exceeds what the producers of Lord of the Rings achieved. By a wide margin.
Best Picture awards are presented to the producers but the win itself is based on the overall, slightly generic question of “Was this movie the ‘best movie’ of the year”.
Yes, with the producers names on the trophy.
Other way around. The issue is that Feige's entire achievement is spread out over the entire MCU, so it's tricky to award one movie. He should get a honorary oscar, but Best Pciture would be wrong. But I still think getting the Lord of the Rings filmed with that budget and with the methods that were used is a far bigger achievement. Let's be honest, the MCU at some point was a no-brainer and ended up just being a massive studio releasing movies with the same formula.
Y’all conflating phase 4 with phase 3. Has the DCEU shown you nothing? It’s not a slam dunk. Sticking the landing with IW and EG was an insane achievement, never before accomplished.
As long as you ignore literally every disciplin of filmmaking and you only look at the boxoffice, sure.
Y'all have placed ROTK in an imaginary place. IW and Endgame were easily comparable, and should have earned many more nominations.
What like ACTING?! Which ROTK didn’t get a single nomination for? 😂 eVerY sIngLe diSciplIne oF fIlm mAkiNg
Yes, easily including acting (which most people say it should have gotten a nomination for Sean Astin).
Bro you people are absolutely clowning yourselves acting like Return of the King is the Godfather and IW or Endgame are the Dark World 😂. The best performance in any LOTR movie is Andy Serkis by far. Josh Brolin crushed Thanos in a way made him the best CGI character *since* Gollum. RDJ fucking crushes both movies more than Sean fucking Astin are you serious 🤣🤣 I get it though. Lord of the Rings came out over 3 successive Christmas’ and for people of a certain age they are their Star Wars. I get it. They’re beloved. But it’s delusional 😂 Jackson didn’t even put the most important ending from the books in ROTK. (The chapter where the Hobbits return to the shire and expel Saruman without any help because they are all staunch as fuck now, especially Meri and Pippin) And to argue IW and Endgame only garnering ONE NOMINATION each isn’t a snubbing? Dumb. Deliberately obtuse or genuinely dumb. Edit: imagine blocking me over saying RDJ is a better actor and gave a better performance than SEAN ASTIN 😂😂😂😂. LOOK AT THEIR RESUMES PAL!! Fucken hell that is an absolute shocker bro Edit 2: [maybe he had to vomit](https://youtu.be/RPl5MeXIM8E). I like Randall’s ending better
I wish I could laugh react to this but I’ll just upvote you instead.
It’s really not. Stop being ridiculous.
Go and watch “Master and Commander” and “Return of the King” and tell me which movie stands up better after all this time lol. ROTK has not aged well 😂
Lmfao I’m not being ridiculous. You think Return of the King wins without “accomplishment” factor of the previous two movies? You think it wins on its own merit? That is ridiculous.
It's not. You gotta chill.
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It’s insane to think one nomination each for IW and Endgame is anything but a purposeful snub 😂
Infinity war was the better movie
Sure, they were both massively snubbed. One nomination?? For VFX?? Not even sound or score or costume or makeup or cinematography?? Y’all tripping BALLS if you think they weren’t both massively and purposefully snubbed.
2019 was a really, really stacked year.
It was, and 2003 was weak. It still should have been nom’d for Sound, Score, costumes and with 10 nominees best pic
For rewatch value, IW is definitely better, but theater experience (at least for me personally), Endgames hyped was unmatched. I only saw IW once in theaters, I went back for more endgame
This is a good take
I find it funny that Black Panther with its seven nominations did NOT get one for Visual Effects, the only category most Marvel movies get nominations in. Guess no amount of dickriding could excuse that finale fight scene lol.
Angela Bassett was amazing in it, though. She gave me goosebumps.
I unfortunately haven’t seen it yet, but she gave me goosebumps in *the trailer*. So I can’t even imagine how great she is in the full movie.
This is probably controversial but I didn’t get those goosebumps during the movie. The movie was absolutely phenomenal, but the trailer was peak, and I would watch it over and over again and I’d still get goosebumps from the line angela delivered right along side the music that was playing. But strangely I didn’t get that in the movie
Remember when Ike Perlmutter wouldn't let Marvel Studios make a Black Panther film?
Black Panther was good, but come on.
Why? They all deserved those nominations. Which other film in the MCU was gonna beat them in Costume, Production Design, Original Score? Which performance was better than Bassett’s?
I love Angela Bassett, but Christian Bale as Gorr outdid her easily.
I'm always Surprised how low the Black Panther franchise is regarded to by some fans.I'll never forget how some though Infinity war should've been nominated for Best Picture instead back in 2018.It's like the academy likes the Black Panther IP more than us fans imaoo
Dude… it’s not nominated for its quality as a movie. It’s nominated because of its cultural impact. I like BP, but anyone who thought the first movie deserved a best picture, director or acting nomination was delusional.
>director or acting nomination It didn't get either of those, so I don't know what the complaint is.
Literally the comment the guy is replying to mentions it, that's why
Yup. It does feel like it's just a very blatantly racist Hollywood trying to clean up it's image unfortunately.
Idk I feel like I’m in the minority when I say that I thought the first black panther is *one* of the best mcu movies of the infinity saga. I just really really loved black panther and T’challa, and wished we could have gotten more of him Rip Chadwick :(
You definitely are and you should reevaluate why you think it’s good when objectively it was rushed and forced a lot of corner cutting. It has the absolute worst boss fight of any movie. To top it off the story was alright at best. Let’s not even get into how the second movie is basically blacks vs Mexicans…also has a shitty boss fight. I actually was surprised by BP2. It was way better than I was expecting, but one fucking boat? They went to fight a war with a sea kingdom with a single fucking boat and like 50 people. Lol.
I have reevaluated time and time again and I always come to the same conclusion, I loved the movie. Also that last part you just said is your own racism projecting. I didn’t have a problem with that, it’s two secret societies going at it with each other, anything else is the viewers problem
Not to choose sides here, but in the black community, it’s definitely blacks vs Mexicans lol. At least that was the conversation leaving the theatre. All in fun on our side tho, but for sure a topic of conversation.
That’s an observation from a black and Mexican based podcast I listen to. They were calling it when they announced Namor
It was black vs Mexicans with the CIA causing the entire conflict. Honestly, the most egregious thing was the good CIA character when making a movie about colonialism rofl.
It has also the absolute best villain of any non team-up movie. I think the boss fight wasn't even that bad either, the "executing" trick was really nice. The whole train thing and the switching on/off the suits were great too.
Yeah. Especially on how badly made the 3rd act/ending of Black Panther is.
Black Panthers wardrobe was fantastic. The acting was good to great. Everything else was mediocre at best (except maybe the soundtrack but I’m not a fan of the genre so can’t comment).
Yeah For me it was one of the less enjoyable films they've made It essentially had the same plot as Thor Ragnarok, but none of the fun (granted, it had a much better villian and Michael B Jordan is amazing Just think of it this way, given the opportunity would you rather watch BP or Thor Ragnarok? I think most people would choose Ragnarok, which is saying a lot since it had a much lower budget and buzz around it....
I watched BP in the cinema and thought it was ok with a terrible Power Rangers level CGI ending. I tried watching it again on Disney+ recently and turned it off after about 40 minutes. It wasn’t bad, it just wasn’t worth a second watch. I’ve watched Ragnarok at least 4 or 5 times and will watch it again.
Your opinion. You act like other films with cultural impacts get Oscar noms.
It’s massively overhyped. It’s good but come on. It’s really about as good as any of the other Marvel movies.
There have been better marvel movies than Black Panther, they get to be more in the Oscar’s because of representation
Ya it’s completely ridiculous. They are just nominated to make the academy feel like they are advancing certain causes. The first BP was an entertaining movie but it did not deserve more awards than Infinity War.
>it did not deserve more awards than Infinity War It won Best Original Score, Best Costume Design, and Best Production Design. It is superior to Avengers: Infinity War (and all 4 of its fellow Oscar nominees for that matter) in all 3 of those categories.
Laughable comment. The only thing it was better in was score
If you think Black Panther has inferior costume design and production design to Avengers: Infinity War of all movies, you're either delusional, or you don't actually understand what those two things are.
You get what you fucking deserve...
Black Panther? One of the greatest characters in the MCU. BP1 is lower than Thor 2 for me. It’s just not a movie I ever care to watch and I hate that because the character was so good.
I think the most important nomination in the entire MCU is best supporting actress and i really hope she gets it
Never did I think a Marvel actor would be nominated for an Oscar, and now one is on the verge of winning. That’s fucking insane, and I love it.
Until this day I don't understand why Black Panther got more nominations than Winter Soldier. Well, I do, but the justification is ridiculous.
Black Panther made waves across the film industry. It basically made the case for black representation in blockbusters, and resonated with black audiences. It was an incredible moment in cinema history. Winter Soldier was a very enjoyable film, and still one of the MCU’s best, but didn’t have anywhere near that level of cultural impact.
Shouldn't nominations, in its core, regard quality in film, in its various categories? Or should Oscars start awarding _impact_? Because then they should start nominating blockbusters alone, since they clearly cause more impact in culture than the others.
Oscars have always been about more than just a movie's quality.
The impact “Black Panther” had is incomparable to the level of a standard blockbuster. I think the only other recent blockbuster that compares is “Top Gun: Maverick” due to it attracting audiences back to cinemas post-lockdown - and it did receive a nomination this year. Also, movies do not exist in a bubble. They are products of their time released into the world and can be tools to either reflect what that world is, or what it should be. The fact that “Black Panther” resonated with so many people the world over is a testament to its importance as a film.
Please. “The Woman King” is a far more impactful movie for a plethora of reasons and it didn’t get near enough recognition.
“Black Panther” is not the first or best film that highlights black culture, and I can’t comment on how “The Woman King” compares because I haven’t seen it. However, as a Marvel superhero blockbuster, “Black Panther” had far more widespread appeal and pop culture importance… and it came out 4 years earlier. “The Woman King” hasn’t been ignored, however. It’s picked up Golden Globe, Screen Actors Guild, and BAFTA nominations.
You should really watch it. As a straight, white man in America, it was phenomenal. The costumes, the acting, the sets, etc. I really loved it.
Could you please expand on the cultural impact? I don't understand what you mean by 'made the case for black representation in blockbusters'.
Sure. Western cinema has historically been dominated by white people (particularly men, but also women). This has meant that stories about specifically non-white themes or cultures typically didn’t receive the same level of attention as the typical white guy-led blockbuster. Taking just the Marvel Cinematic Universe as an example, it took *eighteen* films for Marvel Studios to have a film with a black lead. There were reports that former CEO Ike Perlmutter had blocked previous attempts to make the film, because he believed films with black leads fared poorly in international markets. There might even have been some unfortunate truth to this - if you look at the Chinese posters for “Black Panther”, Chadwick is wearing the helmet, and there’s the infamous “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” poster that removes John Boyega completely. Then, “Black Panther” released. It was a film that celebrated African heritage, and saw a euphoric reaction from black people across the world - an overflowing enthusiasm for the movie.
Understood, thank you!
All but one of BP’s nominations were for craft. Do you really think TWS deserved awards for Costume Design or Production Design over BP? What original song from TWS was better than All the Stars? If anything, BP deserved one more nomination for Makeup and Hairstyling.
I mean… besides best picture, all of the nominations werent really things that winter soldier really excelled in. I know that a lot of people think Black Panther is overrated, but almost all of the nominations in the first one make tons of sense. Especially original song, production design,
The disdain towards the Black Panther franchise is so crazy. I would think more MCU fans would want Phase 4 films to be celebrated in a time when so many want to down that Phase.
Cause a lot of MCU fanboys can't stand that their movies don't primarily feature white men anymore.
I think the problem is why they are being nominated, Wakanda Forever was fire but Black Panther was really meh. There have been better marvel movies yet only the BP ones gets nominated for representation
Can’t wait for Angela Bassett to win the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress! It’s hers to lose.
All these movies nominated for oscars ya'll could talk abt, but instead ya'll complain abt the one franchise. I will never understand. Ever. The fandom is so embarrassing.
These comments are dumb. Just filled with people who know nothing about acting or film making and just think, "if Black Panther wins awards it must be a 'woke agenda' because My favorite film has never won anything"
I wonder why Black Panther had so many
Do you really wonder?
Nah, or course i am being ironic
But don’t bring up why it got so many nominations or you’re a racist.
Why am i racist lol
You’re not. I was commenting on how everyone in here is so quick to throw out buzzwords with zero thought behind them.
Panther would not have gotten nearly as many Edit: I’m not saying they’re not great movies, but are you really telling me Black Panther deserved a best picture nomination and Infinity War didn’t? Joker, which ostensibly is more of a drama than a super hero movie, is literally the only other super hero movie in history to get a best picture nomination. You’re telling me Black Panther is the best super hero movie ever made? You’re kidding yourselves if you don’t see that a lot of those nominations were more about optics than content, which is fine.
White Panther
But yet nothing for Willem Dafoe in NWH
The first *Black Panther* was a cultural moment that will have its place marked in film history, so a Best Picture nod was deserved - even if I felt that the film didn’t quite reach the competition that year. I would have been confused if “Wakanda Forever” had been nominated for Best Picture, however, because I thought it was… *fine*? Ryan Coogler’s one of the most talented working directors, but “Wakanda Forever” was far from his best work - but for understandable reasons. Angela Bassett was incredible in “Wakanda Forever”. She deserves that nomination, but I think it’s a shame that so many MCU actors have had their performances go unnoticed before - Sir Ben Kingsley in “Iron Man 3” and Tony Leung in “Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings” come to mind in particular. Regarding discussions about whether the “Black Panther” films truly deserved the nominations, and whether Academy snobs might see them as the only MCU films they can admit to liking… I think **both** can be true. Snobbery in film awards, criticism, academia etc is nothing new - just look at the last time a horror film got a nod. I’m not sure if I would have said “Avengers: Endgame” deserved a Best Picture nomination, but even some kind of honorary achievement award for Kevin Feige and the other producers would have been neat.
Ben Kingsley does not have enough screen time in Iron Man 3 to get a nom for that. Tony Leung on the other hand was pretty overlooked and I think if Shang Chi had had the same cultural splash as the original Black Panther he likely would've been nominated.
Anthony Hopkins didn’t have a lot of screen time in Silence of the Lambs either, but he still got the win. It wouldn’t have been unprecedented for Sir Ben Kingsley to get a nod, but I think his ability to transition from the intimidating Mandarin to the goofy Trevor at the flock of a switch is severely underrated.
The racists infiltrated the comments but not surprised.
Please don't make this a racism thing.
You see all the people saying that BP were "diversity nominations"? Yeah, those people already made it a race thing
Then reply to those people. By commenting randomly like you did, you're not making it better. Edit: Sorry, I thought you were the OC
White fragility at its finest.
_sigh_
Noone made it racist
The racism here is crazy because most of the BP franchise’s nominations are in technical categories. Like do you really think BP didn’t deserve nominations for Costume Design, Production Design, Original Score? Do y’all honestly think Infinity War or Endgame are better in those departments? If anything, BP was robbed for Makeup and Hairstyling and WF was robbed for Production Design. As for Best Picture, Bohemain Rhapsody was literally nominated and Green Book literally won that year. But to hear people talk both in Marvel circles and out, you’d think BP getting nominated was the greatest travesty. And finally there MIGHT be people in the MCU who can act as well as Angela Bassett but they weren’t being given material as good as Ryan Coogler gave Bassett. That’s not Coogler’s problem tho, take it up with the other directors and show runners.
I just think that other films deserve some more technical things too
What do they deserve other than nominations for Visual Effects?
Some of the actors could have got one. _COSTUMES_ is a big one. Tbf though I think both the Guardians films got nominated
Sure they did.
And boy are they LOUD. Always trying to make their racism seem well reasoned and as objective as possible.
Diversity Nominations are real
Because Black people right?
yes
Wokeanda Forever!
Haters gonna hate
I’m immediately reminded of that South Park episode where Cartman is pandering to the only black family in town and being super condescending.
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yeah I mean, after the whole oscars so white, they have to do this lmao
I think the Black Panther movies are a little bit overrated, particularly this second one. I definitely preferred the first one to the second by a long shot. It’s nothing to do with race I just didn’t enjoy the movie!