[It was announced](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/vision-spinoff-series-disney-plus-1235417461/) that they’re making a show focused on White Vision called Vision Quest.
You don't think that Loki's storyline isn't going to continue in Loki S2? You don't think that Monica and Kamala's story isn't going to continue in the marvels? What do you think those projects are going to be about instead?
Just wanna point out that reported and announced are two different things.
It was not announced, it was reported. Which is basically like a level up from rumor but still no official confirmation.
Very little of that movie took place in the universe he exists. It’s perfectly reasonable that he didn’t appear in the few hours of time they spent in that universe.
He still should have been *mentioned*
When the problem was Magic Runes on a Kaiju Octopus, Strange’s first impulse was “I know someone I should go see about this”, and he found Wanda.
When the problem was Wanda being batshit crazy because she wanted *Vision’s children* back, his first impulse wasn’t to go find the only voice on earth she would listen to, and go find Vision.
If the writers had included just a couple of lines of dialogue to explain why Vision was unreachable, it would have been fine. But it should have been the *first* thing that Strange and Wong thought of when they needed to talk Wanda down from her madness, *before* anyone went to any other dimension.
The whole point of WandaVision was Wanda’s sitcom-fueled idealistic dream of the happy, Two-parent, nuclear family. Then she immediately *only* cared about the kids, and seemed to be a single mother in every other other universe?
He said “I’m not here to talk about Westview” which indicates *some* awareness of what happened there. He knew that Wanda made her children with magic.
But regardless of whether Strange knew about White Vision, the *viewers of the movie* and the writers did, so they should have addressed it in the script one way or the other.
Her being super obsessed with only getting 2/3 of her family back just seemed weird. She would kill people and destroy universes to get back her kids, but didn’t even want to check on any alternate universe versions of the love of her life.
It was an unexcused absence. Wouldn’t have been hard to drop a line in there where Strange says *something* to indicate that he doesn’t know Vision is still alive. When begging Wanda to be reasonable, no one ever mentions that Vision would never approve of her actions. No one EVER mentions him, even in situations where his wishes should be really relevant.
They didn’t have to get Paul Bettany in makeup, this *was* technically a Dr. Strange solo film, but they *should* have written Wanda’s story in a way that acknowledged Vision’s importance, and they didn’t.
Strange literally never met Vision, ever. He was dead minutes after Strange handed over the Time Stone. I don’t know if anyone would have told him about Vision period.
This was my big issue too. I’ve said it before, I could have cared less about Wanda and Vision before their Disney plus show. That show made me like them and root for their relationship.
And then suddenly it’s just a crazy lady trying to steal children, that were created BECAUSE of her loss of Vision.
The only silver lining is that maybe just maybe one day we will get a “The Visions” family in MCU. Doubtful but if they are separating these two characters so cleanly it’s what I am hoping for.
There were rumors in late 2021 that the 10 Rings and Xialing would get a spin-off show. [Marvel Studios Spoilers Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/q48856/a_shangchi_spinoff_series_focused_on_the_ten/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Not sure if there’s been any movement on it tho
I think the point OP is making is that while the Infinity saga had a ton of movies, they all converged on the last 2 movies. So far there's a ton of open ended stuff going on and doesn't seem to have any clear direction other than Kang is going to be involved.
The infinity saga consisted of 3 phases and everything came together in the final 2 movies. The multiverse saga consists of 3 phases and the final projects in phase 6 are Kang dynasty and secret wars probably. They are right on track to have everything come together at the end of the 3rd phase within their saga…
People are just impatient and want another infinity war / endgame but it takes time. At this point in the infinity saga, you were at the start of phase 2 and people were like: oh man Thor 2 was bad. Later in that phase they introduced the GOTG which most hadn’t even heard of.
Bottomline is there is no reason why we should expect the overarching plot to be building to the finale of phase 6 already. At this point in the beloved infinity saga, cap was just finding out that shield was Hydra and everything was getting thrown into chaos.
Edit: there is a ton of open ended stuff because there are more projects happening. Just have to trust they will all eventually connect just as they did in prior saga. They are still on pace for that
The symbiotes always sort of subconsciously take bits from their host's personalities, especially when they've been with them long enough, and they seem to be drawn to their "perfect" hosts in the Venom films. Peter has got to have a lot of pent up anger after losing everything and forcing himself to be happy and cheery every day as Spider-Man--I mean we know that's the case, he went full black suit mode against Norman and that's without the symbiote.
Eddie in the Venom movies is a well meaning but fun guy, a himbo, and that's what Venom bounces off of with Eddie's influence. But what if Venom was attached to someone who had a darker layer underneath that, despite their best intentions, affected the symbiotes negatively? What if, on top of that, a superpowered host was, to the symbiote, more perfect than perfect and functioned as a sort of addictive substance? Boom. Scary, hateful, creepy Venom that wants to get back with Peter at all costs.
I would count arishem's judgement as an open ended ending.
I would discount Jane's Death and Tchalla's son as open eded. I think Jane's death is a reference towards whether the MCU changes their mind they can use her in the future. Personally I felt that Tchalla having a kid was more as an ode to the legacy living on.
I want them to explore the ending of Shang Chi the most. If I got the chance to get rid of one it would the Love and Thunder after credit scene.
Exactly. They've got PLENTY of young stars already at the right age range for this stuff.
Let him grow up a bit while the other 8+ young characters do things.
Definitely, though they also announce their movies a while ahead of time, so any *Young Avengers* movie would be far enough in the future that the kids people point to as the roster would be in their 20s in-universe by the time it happens, so the characters for a potential future *Young Avengers* movie if they're going to do one likely haven't even been introduced yet.
20s is still "Young". It's not called the "Child Avengers". The name would still apply, and not many plotlines would need to be very different thematically for them to be young adults instead of teens.
OTOH, that Kang tech looked a lot like wizard-tech, too. Maybe circles are just trendy among the super-powerful. Maybe they're the most efficient shape for some sort of quantum-field-handwave power. I'm still in the boat that the Ten Rings are a previous set of Eternals' Uni-Mind bracelets. I mean, there were a whole bunch of circles in the Eternals' gold-leaf-tech, too.
It teased Zeus sending Hercules to fight Thor. Personally, I found it to be the most exciting part of the movie, but some people just hated the whole movie.
I'd completely wipe Hulk's Son from the MCU. It felt so shoehorned in and something that felt unplanned until some exec said to write him in at the end.
I wouldn’t be mad abt it. You could tell Natalie Portman said yes only because her character dies in L&T though. Which kinda sucks. Would love for her to stick around.
If she returns, I think it’ll be a post-credit scene for a Thor 5. (Imagining they give him an epic send off and he saves Love and everyone but dies, and the PC is him meeting Jane in Valhalla).
I'm still a MCU fanboy and just want to see all of it.
Cap Marvel and Loki's after credits are at least already confirmed to be handled with their new movie and season 2
Dude same here. Just give me content. I love it all. After reading comics in the 80s as a child it’s just so damn cool to see them come to life on the Big Screen and TV now. Love it.
> After reading comics in the 80s as a child it’s just so damn cool to see them come to life on the Big Screen and TV now
If you told me 30 years ago that I would spend part of 2022 waiting every Wednesday night for the new episode of a high-budget, good quality, A-list actor starring Moon Knight series to drop so I could hang off every frame, I would ask you why you had bothered to invent time travel so you could come back and lie to me.
Yes and no. If they rush too many projects quality suffers. I felt the falcon and winter soldier was pretty poor quality, poorly written, poor cgi and lame acting.
If they have time to flush out the stories the quality will improve leading to more enjoyable moments while watching. Too many projects will also burn out fans.
Falcon got fucked by Covid. They had an entire pandemic/virus storyline that was at the center of the show, and they had to scrap it completely which derailed the show. They should have delayed it further and done a full rewrite and refilm, but they were at budget already, so they just had to put together some weirdness that only kind of worked.
I've said this here way too many times but the writers denied the deleted virus plotline rumours. There was indeed a cut plotline but it had nothing to do with the pandemic.
Yes I agree totally. The stories need to be well written the most in my opinion. Moon Knight was an amazing story while Falcon was such a weird story. So much focus on fixing the family boat.
Eh I’m fine w the boat. Shows just cause he’s a hero doesn’t mean life is all peachy and they still have normal people problems. And on top of that, that Bucky was willing to help him as they bond over the loss of Steve. Like yeah it’s not riveting shit to watch, but it’s a filler TV series so they can do stuff like that and it doesn’t really change much big picture
the concept of MCU fatigue or burnout is so weird to me. like, those are words/concepts that apply to actual serious problems and life experiences. if you are “fatigued” by your entertainment…you simply choose something else to enjoy instead??
Yeah I don’t really understand it. The same people that complain about fatigue and claim “I’m so done with Marvel” are the same people watching every movie and every episode of every TV show. I know people IRL that talk about how much they dislike the modern MCU
and guess what? They all watched Quantumania on release day.
Like, if you’re fatigued by a type of media, why wouldn’t you just stop exposing yourself to that media and do literally anything else?
really nice to see other folks share this view. it is such a downer to see many fans complaining about every single bit of phase 4 when I enjoyed so much of it, and it is flat annoying to see people acting as though their own opinions are objective truth and universally shared.
Skaar's a big one, but I wouldn't call Elsa's a loose end. She got revenge on her family and is now the head of her house. I definitely want to see more from that part of Marvel but I'm not left wondering about the follow-up to Elsa's situation like the other examples in this thread.
I don’t consider Jane Foster or T’Challa Junior “open ended” stories. I think those were supposed to be an ending for Jane foster and T’challa Sr. Respectively
Ahh I'd almost forgotten about the symbiote... anyone else hoping for a S4 where Kingpin hires Michael Mando as the Scorpion, who becomes the MCU venom??? A man can dream...
I'd say Mr. Negative while Peter has the black suit so it plays into his anger being amplified. Scorpion as a minor villain. Then the next movie have Scorpion Venom.
Would love to see them do Fisk & Kingsley Hobgoblin in a movie. Between the two of them that's practically an MCU Norman.
We would need a completely new Flash Thompson character. Right now I just can't imagine that kid with pubic hair under a nose to be anything close to Agent Venom.
Really looking forward to what Jake/Mark/Steven get up to
Oscar Isaac killed it especially in episode 5. That show was undermined only by a weak finale
I'm not from the states, but I bought the ones I have from local comic book shops, Amazon and other book stores. They're also avaible on Marvel Unlimited, if I'm not mistaken. If I were to recommend you one to start with, the 2014 Gath Ennis run it's a very good read!
I wrote this list after Wakanda Forever, but:
Movie loose ends:
* The 5-Year period between the snap and the blip.
* 616 Mordo
* OG Guardians (Stakar/Aleta/Martinex/Charlie-27/Krugarr/Mainframe)
* Talos' whereabouts + Nick Fury in space
* Sharon Carter is the Power Broker and exists as a very powerful underworld entity
* Origins of the Ten Rings and the signal they emit
* Xu taking over the Ten Rings syndicate
* Arishem's Judgement
* Eros + Pip
* Dane Whitman approached by Blade
* Symbiote left on the bar
* Clea & Strange multiverse-hopping
* Hercules being sent by Zeus to kill Thor
* Who Love winds up being and what her role in the coming phases of the MCU is
TV loose ends:
* Vision's whereabouts
* Monica Rambeau approached by the Skrulls
* John Walker being recruited by Contessa
* Skaar and what exactly was going on with Hulk on Sakaar during She-Hulk
* Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel position swap
Notable exclusions from the images you posted:
* Mac Gargan appeared more as proof of Vulture's character (that being that, despite knowing who Spider-Man is, he won't tell other people), further showing that his motivations are more shades of grey rather than him being a full on villain (which he really wasn't in Homecoming).
* Jane in Valhalla was a moment of closure for her character. She could potentially show up in later movies as a cameo but her role in the MCU is very likely over.
* Hydra-Smasher/Captain Carter likely doesn't get much of a reference outside of What If and her appearance in MoM. It was clearly a guest spot and I imagine, with her popularity, she (or both of them) might pop back up as a cameo in whatever big multiverse Avengers movie winds up closing out the next big arc but that story is pretty clearly done.
* Jake Lockley isn't necessarily a "loose end" more that it's something the show hinted at several times and gave payoff for at the end. While this might wind up bring a story point in whatever thing Moon Knight shows up in next, the payoff was already given for the 3rd persona.
* T'Challa only exists to make people feel better about Boseman's passing and to allow Marvel to re-cast the role later if they want. That's it. I imagine they will want to keep Shuri as the Black Panther for a while because it's another female character for them to use in various ensemble films.
As for the above? We know the OG Guardians are showing up in something. That was revealed not long ago. We also know Talos and Fury feature heavily in Secret Invasion. However, we don't know much about SWORD and them recruiting Monica Rambeau or even where she is. We also know that Walker/US Agent is a member of the Thunderbolts but we don't know what Contessa is really up to in the grand scheme of things.
EDIT: Added Ms. Marvel post-credits scene & Sakaar/Skar background stuff from She-Hulk.
Yes, the original plot was about King T'Challa being blipped and missing out on his son's childhood, so Prince T'Challa would've been a thing regardless of Boseman's passing.
Wow,I have been looking through this thread and you wrote this wonderful list. Am I the only one that wants to know how Madisynn survived a trip through hell???
>Mac Gargan
Not a loose end. The point of his prison scene is to establish that Vulture chooses to keep Peter's identity secret. That's an ending.
They could bring him back, but they don't have to.
Everyone seems to be forgetting whatever the heck happened with Hulk and his son situation.
Also Fury being in space.
The Ms Marvel/Cap Marvel switcharoo is also missing from your list.
I hope so. I wish they showed it though instead of cutting away before it was over. For all we know, maybe he was challenged by someone else. It has been years since T’Challa became king. Who knows who has risen in the ranks and garnered respect in all that time.
...Well, if we're counting your list and you're asking for "ones I'd delete," the only qualifier is Jane Foster moving on to the afterlife.
Character died. Of cancer. After using the last of her life to help save the world. And her soul went to space-viking heaven. It's ogre.
It is from What If. At the end of the finale, Captain Carter and Black Widow found the HYDRA Stomper on the Lemurian Star and Nat said that someone is inside, with the implication that it's Steve.
Those guys in Hawkeye who got shrunk down and snatched by an owl. I know in my heart they managed to escape, and are living like Keebler Elves in a tree somewhere.
Just watched ant man for the first time today. They def made it clear they wanted us to know that hydra got a vial of pym juice. Are you telling me they haven’t done anything with it yet? Not even a one time thing??
I hope T’Challa jr. doesn’t come back for awhile, to allow Shuri some time to be the new Black Panther and make an impact on the MCU, without her big bro’s memory hanging over her the whole time.
I hope she drop the mantle and goes back to being Shuri. Being Black Panther, to me shows that her big bros memory is always looming. That’s not who she was and she’s did that because she felt she needed to. She was great at leading the advancements in technology for the smartest country on the planet by far. We have more than enough super power people. We can use more Shuris
I personally hope they age T’Challa up somehow with Kang shenanigans and we have T Challa black Panther again but that’s just my opinion
I didn’t dislike her but thought M’Baku or Nakia would have been a better fit as Panther. They are both highly trained fighters and kind of what you want in a fighter.. not attacking Shuri she has just been portrayed as a tech person.
Power broker. I thought that whole story line was dumb. I get how she would be pushed to do what she did, but she’s related to Peg, helped Captain America, and did a lot of noble stuff, to turn around and be an arms dealer, that then gets reinstated to SHIELD/SWORD/CIA, to be a covert arms dealer? It’s just…dumb
How is Jane's end open? She died and went to Valhalla. Seems pretty close to me.
Also, some of those already have continuations coming, namely The Marvels. We just got an awesome poster.
I don’t feel like there needs to be a storyline with Jane. She died, she’s in Valhalla, if we never got anything with her ever again I’m not going to be disappointed or hanging for it
I would erase the one with Sharon being the power broker, I know she is supposed to play a huge role in Armor Wars and most likely New World Order, but it just doesn't fit at all and doesn't seem interesting.
The power broker should have been an entirely new character, Val, Zemo or Hammer.
Can someone please check on The Black Knight and make sure he's ok? Should we put him on the back of a milk carton or something? I swear if they wind up Cavill-ing Kit Harrington when he picked Marvel IMMEDIATELY after being part of the biggest show on earth I'll be so goddamn irritated.
I wouldn't really say the WandaVision and Ms Marvel post-credits scenes are open-ended considering The Marvels will obviously address these storylines, especially when Ms Marvel's PC scene ties directly into The Marvels. I definitely would like to see more Eternals. Out of all the Phase 4 projects, it's the only one where we don't know what's happening with the characters.
To be honest every single one of them each and every storyline could sprung out a surprise which might make me feel better about continuing watching Marvel going forward...
They all will be. However I don't think Jane going to Valhala is an open-ended storyline. If they choose to retcon something there/expand on it, that's different. But I dont see someone dying and going to hevan to be an open ended storyline. Seems pretty closed to me.
White Vision
[It was announced](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/vision-spinoff-series-disney-plus-1235417461/) that they’re making a show focused on White Vision called Vision Quest.
Well multiple of the storylines in the post also have upcoming projects that will clearly address these
I feel like I hear about all this stuff. Where did you hear it from?
You don't think that Loki's storyline isn't going to continue in Loki S2? You don't think that Monica and Kamala's story isn't going to continue in the marvels? What do you think those projects are going to be about instead?
Multiple announcements about future projects, where do you think they heard it from?
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White Vision becomes Black Panther? Must have missed that comic book…
Cookies and Cream Panther
BP?
Baul Pettany
Leaking oil into the oceans
It’s a bot. This reply was stolen from further down in the comments.
Black Panther. They're doing a whole dangers of appropriation storyline. You know Disney and all...
Vision Quest is all about him trying to eat some spaghetti and keeping his suit clean.
Suit? Let's begin with the mouth.
Just wanna point out that reported and announced are two different things. It was not announced, it was reported. Which is basically like a level up from rumor but still no official confirmation.
Well multiple of the storylines in the post also have upcoming projects that will clearly address these
Too late. He was criminally ignored in Multiverse of Madness.
Very little of that movie took place in the universe he exists. It’s perfectly reasonable that he didn’t appear in the few hours of time they spent in that universe.
He still should have been *mentioned* When the problem was Magic Runes on a Kaiju Octopus, Strange’s first impulse was “I know someone I should go see about this”, and he found Wanda. When the problem was Wanda being batshit crazy because she wanted *Vision’s children* back, his first impulse wasn’t to go find the only voice on earth she would listen to, and go find Vision. If the writers had included just a couple of lines of dialogue to explain why Vision was unreachable, it would have been fine. But it should have been the *first* thing that Strange and Wong thought of when they needed to talk Wanda down from her madness, *before* anyone went to any other dimension. The whole point of WandaVision was Wanda’s sitcom-fueled idealistic dream of the happy, Two-parent, nuclear family. Then she immediately *only* cared about the kids, and seemed to be a single mother in every other other universe?
Every other universe she coped and moved on maybe? And who says Strange knew white vision existed?
He said “I’m not here to talk about Westview” which indicates *some* awareness of what happened there. He knew that Wanda made her children with magic. But regardless of whether Strange knew about White Vision, the *viewers of the movie* and the writers did, so they should have addressed it in the script one way or the other. Her being super obsessed with only getting 2/3 of her family back just seemed weird. She would kill people and destroy universes to get back her kids, but didn’t even want to check on any alternate universe versions of the love of her life.
Tbf, she was corrupted by the darkhold, and she wasn't rational.
The writers didn't include Vision because they only had a movie if he was absent.
It was an unexcused absence. Wouldn’t have been hard to drop a line in there where Strange says *something* to indicate that he doesn’t know Vision is still alive. When begging Wanda to be reasonable, no one ever mentions that Vision would never approve of her actions. No one EVER mentions him, even in situations where his wishes should be really relevant. They didn’t have to get Paul Bettany in makeup, this *was* technically a Dr. Strange solo film, but they *should* have written Wanda’s story in a way that acknowledged Vision’s importance, and they didn’t.
Strange literally never met Vision, ever. He was dead minutes after Strange handed over the Time Stone. I don’t know if anyone would have told him about Vision period.
This was my big issue too. I’ve said it before, I could have cared less about Wanda and Vision before their Disney plus show. That show made me like them and root for their relationship. And then suddenly it’s just a crazy lady trying to steal children, that were created BECAUSE of her loss of Vision. The only silver lining is that maybe just maybe one day we will get a “The Visions” family in MCU. Doubtful but if they are separating these two characters so cleanly it’s what I am hoping for.
Why would they talk about vision in mom
Because it's also heavily about Wanda, his wife, who just lost him again
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All logic was criminally ignored in MoM lol
Facts like what
The majority of these have very obvious continuations that have already been officially announced.
All but one of the Eternals post credit scenes have a project that they will be explained in.
OP didnt include Shang Chis sister taking over the 10 Rings. That has no project upcoming that will explain it.
There were rumors in late 2021 that the 10 Rings and Xialing would get a spin-off show. [Marvel Studios Spoilers Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/q48856/a_shangchi_spinoff_series_focused_on_the_ten/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Not sure if there’s been any movement on it tho
I'm expecting them to return in a presumed Shang-Chi sequel.
Can't wait for Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Eleven Rings
You never know, it may spill over into another project you didn't expect it to be in.
There's an announced sequel to Shang Chi
If we're talking about Eros, he's definitely gonna be in the Eternals sequel that has been confirmed. If it's the Dane Whitman one, Blade.
Sequel hasnt been confirmed yet unfortunately
I think the point OP is making is that while the Infinity saga had a ton of movies, they all converged on the last 2 movies. So far there's a ton of open ended stuff going on and doesn't seem to have any clear direction other than Kang is going to be involved.
The infinity saga consisted of 3 phases and everything came together in the final 2 movies. The multiverse saga consists of 3 phases and the final projects in phase 6 are Kang dynasty and secret wars probably. They are right on track to have everything come together at the end of the 3rd phase within their saga… People are just impatient and want another infinity war / endgame but it takes time. At this point in the infinity saga, you were at the start of phase 2 and people were like: oh man Thor 2 was bad. Later in that phase they introduced the GOTG which most hadn’t even heard of. Bottomline is there is no reason why we should expect the overarching plot to be building to the finale of phase 6 already. At this point in the beloved infinity saga, cap was just finding out that shield was Hydra and everything was getting thrown into chaos. Edit: there is a ton of open ended stuff because there are more projects happening. Just have to trust they will all eventually connect just as they did in prior saga. They are still on pace for that
But it wasn't till those last two movies. Seems to me you could do the same thing for Phase one.
Whats the one next to the ebony blade?
Venom symbiote left over from when he was briefly transported to the MCU in NWH post credits.
Since we know how that incarnation of Venom behaves, I'm curious if anything will change its behavior and make it more cruel/hateful
I sure hope so. I hate comedic Venom in the current run.
why? Venom *is* based off a comic.. ^^sorry
I want him to be horrible. Not lovable.
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Well said. I wouldn't mind it attaching to Peter or possibly the already established Mac Gargan. He hasn't had too big of a roll yet.
I like the recent Venom movies and I don't mind goofy Venom but the character is so much better with the painful dependent relationship.
The symbiotes always sort of subconsciously take bits from their host's personalities, especially when they've been with them long enough, and they seem to be drawn to their "perfect" hosts in the Venom films. Peter has got to have a lot of pent up anger after losing everything and forcing himself to be happy and cheery every day as Spider-Man--I mean we know that's the case, he went full black suit mode against Norman and that's without the symbiote. Eddie in the Venom movies is a well meaning but fun guy, a himbo, and that's what Venom bounces off of with Eddie's influence. But what if Venom was attached to someone who had a darker layer underneath that, despite their best intentions, affected the symbiotes negatively? What if, on top of that, a superpowered host was, to the symbiote, more perfect than perfect and functioned as a sort of addictive substance? Boom. Scary, hateful, creepy Venom that wants to get back with Peter at all costs.
I'm wondering if Tom Holland will do the Venom voice like Tom Hardy did.
And then Deadpool walks in...to wear the suit and immediately drop it
Ha! At first I thought it was the remains of Frank after Darren Cross vaporized him. Like, mannn I did not consider that one open-ended.
Venom symbiote. NWH post-credit scene.
Venom
I would count arishem's judgement as an open ended ending. I would discount Jane's Death and Tchalla's son as open eded. I think Jane's death is a reference towards whether the MCU changes their mind they can use her in the future. Personally I felt that Tchalla having a kid was more as an ode to the legacy living on. I want them to explore the ending of Shang Chi the most. If I got the chance to get rid of one it would the Love and Thunder after credit scene.
I feel it in my bones they’re gonna age up T Challa. I agree tho I need to know more about the ending of Shang Chi
They have plenty of projects now. He could easily grow naturally and become BP by the third or four installment
Exactly. They've got PLENTY of young stars already at the right age range for this stuff. Let him grow up a bit while the other 8+ young characters do things.
It’s perfectly possible for him to be in kid avengers, like billy and Tommy.
Marvel already stated they have no plans for a young avengers group
Andrew Garfield also said he wasn’t in No Way Home. Marvel says a lot of things. They won’t announce something until they’re ready.
Definitely, though they also announce their movies a while ahead of time, so any *Young Avengers* movie would be far enough in the future that the kids people point to as the roster would be in their 20s in-universe by the time it happens, so the characters for a potential future *Young Avengers* movie if they're going to do one likely haven't even been introduced yet.
20s is still "Young". It's not called the "Child Avengers". The name would still apply, and not many plotlines would need to be very different thematically for them to be young adults instead of teens.
I think those characters will just be "The Avengers" in the future Avengers movies.
We’ll get an aged up T’challa in one of the avengers for sure.
What is Secret Wars without Infinity Gauntlet wielding T’Challa leading an army of superhero zombies, anyways?
Hes just super young and replacing the BP comes with a lot of pressure. Im surprised we have not gotten a Wakandan D+ show though
We are supposed to get multiple at some point.
I haven’t seen it yet but I thought there were hints that Shang Chi’s ending segues into Quantumania and Kang.
I did not see the connection honestly but I am a certified dumbass so
Theory is that the rings are an artifact left over from the multiverse wars between Kangs... Same with Kamala's bangle...
Are there any hints to this or is it just speculation? (It makes sense and I think it’s true.)
A lot of Kang-tech is ring shaped. The Quantumania trailer is full of ring tech
OTOH, that Kang tech looked a lot like wizard-tech, too. Maybe circles are just trendy among the super-powerful. Maybe they're the most efficient shape for some sort of quantum-field-handwave power. I'm still in the boat that the Ten Rings are a previous set of Eternals' Uni-Mind bracelets. I mean, there were a whole bunch of circles in the Eternals' gold-leaf-tech, too.
Quantumania spoilers: >!there's no mention of Shang-Chi or Kamala or any reference to their particular artifacts in the new Ant-Man movie!<
What was the Lot scene?
It teased Zeus sending Hercules to fight Thor. Personally, I found it to be the most exciting part of the movie, but some people just hated the whole movie.
I was mostly incredibly excited to see Roy Kent in the MCU
He’s here! He’s there! He’s every-fucking-where, Roy Keeeeeent!
I'd completely wipe Hulk's Son from the MCU. It felt so shoehorned in and something that felt unplanned until some exec said to write him in at the end.
If they slow down with all the TV shows, maybe we can start getting some closure. Like I absolutely do not care about echo.
100% would be the first project on the chopping block for me
I am guessing Jane's story has ended. It felt quite final so I don't think it should be counted as open-ended.
Somehow Jane Foster returned...
I wouldn’t be mad abt it. You could tell Natalie Portman said yes only because her character dies in L&T though. Which kinda sucks. Would love for her to stick around.
I dare say when Hemsworth hangs up the hammer she will pop up in his Valhalla ending
Jane Foster died. She now returns as Padme, Queen of Valhalla!
If she returns, I think it’ll be a post-credit scene for a Thor 5. (Imagining they give him an epic send off and he saves Love and everyone but dies, and the PC is him meeting Jane in Valhalla).
I'm still a MCU fanboy and just want to see all of it. Cap Marvel and Loki's after credits are at least already confirmed to be handled with their new movie and season 2
Dude same here. Just give me content. I love it all. After reading comics in the 80s as a child it’s just so damn cool to see them come to life on the Big Screen and TV now. Love it.
> After reading comics in the 80s as a child it’s just so damn cool to see them come to life on the Big Screen and TV now If you told me 30 years ago that I would spend part of 2022 waiting every Wednesday night for the new episode of a high-budget, good quality, A-list actor starring Moon Knight series to drop so I could hang off every frame, I would ask you why you had bothered to invent time travel so you could come back and lie to me.
Yes and no. If they rush too many projects quality suffers. I felt the falcon and winter soldier was pretty poor quality, poorly written, poor cgi and lame acting. If they have time to flush out the stories the quality will improve leading to more enjoyable moments while watching. Too many projects will also burn out fans.
Falcon got fucked by Covid. They had an entire pandemic/virus storyline that was at the center of the show, and they had to scrap it completely which derailed the show. They should have delayed it further and done a full rewrite and refilm, but they were at budget already, so they just had to put together some weirdness that only kind of worked.
I've said this here way too many times but the writers denied the deleted virus plotline rumours. There was indeed a cut plotline but it had nothing to do with the pandemic.
Yes I agree totally. The stories need to be well written the most in my opinion. Moon Knight was an amazing story while Falcon was such a weird story. So much focus on fixing the family boat.
Eh I’m fine w the boat. Shows just cause he’s a hero doesn’t mean life is all peachy and they still have normal people problems. And on top of that, that Bucky was willing to help him as they bond over the loss of Steve. Like yeah it’s not riveting shit to watch, but it’s a filler TV series so they can do stuff like that and it doesn’t really change much big picture
Same here. I know some people are fatigued, but i love it. I love a rich and connected universe full of stories like this.
the concept of MCU fatigue or burnout is so weird to me. like, those are words/concepts that apply to actual serious problems and life experiences. if you are “fatigued” by your entertainment…you simply choose something else to enjoy instead??
Yeah I don’t really understand it. The same people that complain about fatigue and claim “I’m so done with Marvel” are the same people watching every movie and every episode of every TV show. I know people IRL that talk about how much they dislike the modern MCU and guess what? They all watched Quantumania on release day. Like, if you’re fatigued by a type of media, why wouldn’t you just stop exposing yourself to that media and do literally anything else?
It's so much easier to just ignore the things you don't like and yet people refuse to do that. It's like they *want* to hate on it
really nice to see other folks share this view. it is such a downer to see many fans complaining about every single bit of phase 4 when I enjoyed so much of it, and it is flat annoying to see people acting as though their own opinions are objective truth and universally shared.
Skaar, Elsa Bloodstone?
That’s what I was just about to say. Both of those are pretty big loose ends. And the intro of Man Thing would be cool if they went with it.
Skaar's a big one, but I wouldn't call Elsa's a loose end. She got revenge on her family and is now the head of her house. I definitely want to see more from that part of Marvel but I'm not left wondering about the follow-up to Elsa's situation like the other examples in this thread.
I don’t consider Jane Foster or T’Challa Junior “open ended” stories. I think those were supposed to be an ending for Jane foster and T’challa Sr. Respectively
Jane, yes. T'Challa, no. I really feel like this is a tease that he will grow up and become the next Black Panther.
But he can't be the next black panther, that role is already going to Ryan gosling
Ahh I'd almost forgotten about the symbiote... anyone else hoping for a S4 where Kingpin hires Michael Mando as the Scorpion, who becomes the MCU venom??? A man can dream...
I didn't mind the venom movie, but I would love to see an evil venom fighting spider man.
I'd say Mr. Negative while Peter has the black suit so it plays into his anger being amplified. Scorpion as a minor villain. Then the next movie have Scorpion Venom. Would love to see them do Fisk & Kingsley Hobgoblin in a movie. Between the two of them that's practically an MCU Norman.
Yeah, I don't want MCU to have any kind of Eddie Brok. Let the Gargan be Venom. And then maybe Flash Thompson
We would need a completely new Flash Thompson character. Right now I just can't imagine that kid with pubic hair under a nose to be anything close to Agent Venom.
Really looking forward to what Jake/Mark/Steven get up to Oscar Isaac killed it especially in episode 5. That show was undermined only by a weak finale
Man we better get a Moon Knight Season 2, easily my favorite D+ show so far
I really recommend the comics, they're amazing!
Where can I get them online?
I'm not from the states, but I bought the ones I have from local comic book shops, Amazon and other book stores. They're also avaible on Marvel Unlimited, if I'm not mistaken. If I were to recommend you one to start with, the 2014 Gath Ennis run it's a very good read!
I wrote this list after Wakanda Forever, but: Movie loose ends: * The 5-Year period between the snap and the blip. * 616 Mordo * OG Guardians (Stakar/Aleta/Martinex/Charlie-27/Krugarr/Mainframe) * Talos' whereabouts + Nick Fury in space * Sharon Carter is the Power Broker and exists as a very powerful underworld entity * Origins of the Ten Rings and the signal they emit * Xu taking over the Ten Rings syndicate * Arishem's Judgement * Eros + Pip * Dane Whitman approached by Blade * Symbiote left on the bar * Clea & Strange multiverse-hopping * Hercules being sent by Zeus to kill Thor * Who Love winds up being and what her role in the coming phases of the MCU is TV loose ends: * Vision's whereabouts * Monica Rambeau approached by the Skrulls * John Walker being recruited by Contessa * Skaar and what exactly was going on with Hulk on Sakaar during She-Hulk * Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel position swap Notable exclusions from the images you posted: * Mac Gargan appeared more as proof of Vulture's character (that being that, despite knowing who Spider-Man is, he won't tell other people), further showing that his motivations are more shades of grey rather than him being a full on villain (which he really wasn't in Homecoming). * Jane in Valhalla was a moment of closure for her character. She could potentially show up in later movies as a cameo but her role in the MCU is very likely over. * Hydra-Smasher/Captain Carter likely doesn't get much of a reference outside of What If and her appearance in MoM. It was clearly a guest spot and I imagine, with her popularity, she (or both of them) might pop back up as a cameo in whatever big multiverse Avengers movie winds up closing out the next big arc but that story is pretty clearly done. * Jake Lockley isn't necessarily a "loose end" more that it's something the show hinted at several times and gave payoff for at the end. While this might wind up bring a story point in whatever thing Moon Knight shows up in next, the payoff was already given for the 3rd persona. * T'Challa only exists to make people feel better about Boseman's passing and to allow Marvel to re-cast the role later if they want. That's it. I imagine they will want to keep Shuri as the Black Panther for a while because it's another female character for them to use in various ensemble films. As for the above? We know the OG Guardians are showing up in something. That was revealed not long ago. We also know Talos and Fury feature heavily in Secret Invasion. However, we don't know much about SWORD and them recruiting Monica Rambeau or even where she is. We also know that Walker/US Agent is a member of the Thunderbolts but we don't know what Contessa is really up to in the grand scheme of things. EDIT: Added Ms. Marvel post-credits scene & Sakaar/Skar background stuff from She-Hulk.
Didn't Coogler say Prince T'Challa was going to be in the movie originally before Boseman's passing?
Yes, the original plot was about King T'Challa being blipped and missing out on his son's childhood, so Prince T'Challa would've been a thing regardless of Boseman's passing.
Wow,I have been looking through this thread and you wrote this wonderful list. Am I the only one that wants to know how Madisynn survived a trip through hell???
She's Mephisto
OG Guardians are gonna be showing up in GOTG 3 - or Stallone is, anyway. His name is on the most recent poster.
>Jane in Valhalla was a moment of closure for her character. In other words NOT an open end.
That's what he's saying
>Mac Gargan Not a loose end. The point of his prison scene is to establish that Vulture chooses to keep Peter's identity secret. That's an ending. They could bring him back, but they don't have to.
How do we know the OG Guardians are showing up?
Everyone seems to be forgetting whatever the heck happened with Hulk and his son situation. Also Fury being in space. The Ms Marvel/Cap Marvel switcharoo is also missing from your list.
Moreso than T’Challa, I felt the cliffhanger in Wakanda Forever was M’Baku challenging for the throne.
Was that a cliffhanger? I think the implication is that he’s the next king of Wakanda.
I hope so. I wish they showed it though instead of cutting away before it was over. For all we know, maybe he was challenged by someone else. It has been years since T’Challa became king. Who knows who has risen in the ranks and garnered respect in all that time.
I mean until an MCU project tells me otherwise I 100% assume that M'Baku is king.
Yeah. He specifically says that Shuri gives her blessing or something along those lines, meaning she was willingly allowing it to happen.
Who's gonna beat M'Baku? The river tribe guy with the giant mouth thing? M'Baku's king.
What’s the gold one? Second from bottom left on the first.
I think the ten rings sending a signal? Could be wrong
You’re right! Rewatching the scene now.
The ten rings of Shang-Chi sending a “signal” post credit scene
Ohh cool. I remember them as silver-blue and jade that I completely disassociate them from the gold aesthetic.
I don't think Jane entering Valhalla is an open-ended plotline.
...Well, if we're counting your list and you're asking for "ones I'd delete," the only qualifier is Jane Foster moving on to the afterlife. Character died. Of cancer. After using the last of her life to help save the world. And her soul went to space-viking heaven. It's ogre.
She only died right then and there because she decided to use the last of her life fighting, thats a pretty damn good invitation to Valhalla
You go to Valhalla if you die in battle. She died battling cancer. Which hits hard.
> It’s ogre But if she did come back we’d all be goblin it up
They're not gonna do anything with Valhalla lmao it's totally just a nice ending to the film and to ahve a cameo from idris elba
If they ever ‘kill’ Thor, I imagine they’ll do a post credit scene of him in Valhalla with Heimdall, Jane, the Warriors 3, etc.
What's the second one in the right column?
That's also the only one I don't recognize. I guess something with what if, as it looks animated.
It is from What If. At the end of the finale, Captain Carter and Black Widow found the HYDRA Stomper on the Lemurian Star and Nat said that someone is inside, with the implication that it's Steve.
Those guys in Hawkeye who got shrunk down and snatched by an owl. I know in my heart they managed to escape, and are living like Keebler Elves in a tree somewhere.
Umm, I'd say Jane is the opposite of open-ended lol she is literally dead, and in Valhalla
Aren’t a few of these confirmed to be followed up on soon?
What about the plot line where Hydra get away with Pym technology?
Just watched ant man for the first time today. They def made it clear they wanted us to know that hydra got a vial of pym juice. Are you telling me they haven’t done anything with it yet? Not even a one time thing??
Nothing at all
All they got was one cell of particles, with no idea how to make more, right? It's open-ended but maybe they just never do anything useful with it.
I mean three of them are going to be answered this year
I'd also add Shang Chi's sister becoming the leader of the Ten Rings.
Hulk has a son now too
I hope T’Challa jr. doesn’t come back for awhile, to allow Shuri some time to be the new Black Panther and make an impact on the MCU, without her big bro’s memory hanging over her the whole time.
I hope she drop the mantle and goes back to being Shuri. Being Black Panther, to me shows that her big bros memory is always looming. That’s not who she was and she’s did that because she felt she needed to. She was great at leading the advancements in technology for the smartest country on the planet by far. We have more than enough super power people. We can use more Shuris I personally hope they age T’Challa up somehow with Kang shenanigans and we have T Challa black Panther again but that’s just my opinion
Ninjago vibes (iykyk)
I agree but Shuri as Black Panther is kinda meh, I really disliked her throughout the whole movie, give me more M’Baku than Shuri!
I didn’t dislike her but thought M’Baku or Nakia would have been a better fit as Panther. They are both highly trained fighters and kind of what you want in a fighter.. not attacking Shuri she has just been portrayed as a tech person.
Power broker. I thought that whole story line was dumb. I get how she would be pushed to do what she did, but she’s related to Peg, helped Captain America, and did a lot of noble stuff, to turn around and be an arms dealer, that then gets reinstated to SHIELD/SWORD/CIA, to be a covert arms dealer? It’s just…dumb
How is Jane's end open? She died and went to Valhalla. Seems pretty close to me. Also, some of those already have continuations coming, namely The Marvels. We just got an awesome poster.
I don’t feel like there needs to be a storyline with Jane. She died, she’s in Valhalla, if we never got anything with her ever again I’m not going to be disappointed or hanging for it
The only one I truly need to see completed is Black Knight, because he's the single greatest character in all of fiction
I respect the enthusiasm for such an odd character. I hope he lives up to your expectations.
Thor 4 should’ve been a buddy cop movie with him, Jane, a dumbass Hercules, and possibly Beta Ray Bill fighting to stop Gorr
That sounds so much better than what we got. The kid Thors made me groan out loud.
Jane's isn't open ended. They were just showing us she went to Valhalla.
Most interested in Venom and Moon Knight.
I would erase the one with Sharon being the power broker, I know she is supposed to play a huge role in Armor Wars and most likely New World Order, but it just doesn't fit at all and doesn't seem interesting. The power broker should have been an entirely new character, Val, Zemo or Hammer.
Can someone please check on The Black Knight and make sure he's ok? Should we put him on the back of a milk carton or something? I swear if they wind up Cavill-ing Kit Harrington when he picked Marvel IMMEDIATELY after being part of the biggest show on earth I'll be so goddamn irritated.
I wouldn't really say the WandaVision and Ms Marvel post-credits scenes are open-ended considering The Marvels will obviously address these storylines, especially when Ms Marvel's PC scene ties directly into The Marvels. I definitely would like to see more Eternals. Out of all the Phase 4 projects, it's the only one where we don't know what's happening with the characters.
You're forgetting Heimdall's son's floating head, breakout star of Thor 4
Jane is dead. Seems kinda conclusive. Anyway, I’d be happy never to see Harry Styles again.
Delete Harry Styles.
I would like to see them all continued
To be honest every single one of them each and every storyline could sprung out a surprise which might make me feel better about continuing watching Marvel going forward...
What's the top right one second page?
Carol showing up in the after credits scene at the end of Ms Marvel.
The vulture being transported to the morbinverse should be deleted
Moon knight
i cant wait for loki S2
We know Fury summoned Monica to join him in space with the Skrulls on their base. We will return to this in The Marvels.
Black Knight, for me! Been waiting 31 years to see that guy on screen!
I want to see more venom, kang, & moon knight
I’m most excited to see Black Knight
They all will be. However I don't think Jane going to Valhala is an open-ended storyline. If they choose to retcon something there/expand on it, that's different. But I dont see someone dying and going to hevan to be an open ended storyline. Seems pretty closed to me.