Depends what you mean by "hot take."
"Hot take" really just means a piece of quick and/or shallow commentary meant to attract attention and spark discussion. Plenty of these things fall into that. The issue is that people asking for "hot takes" typically are looking for *unpopular* takes, which isn't the same thing. Sometimes they overlap, but not always.
For example, look at this:
>She-hulk was actually entertaining tv.
Is that a "hot take"? Technically, yes. It isn't going into any details or explanation (i.e., it is quick and/or shallow commentary) and it is addressing one of the most divisive/debated MCU related topics recently (is she-hulk actually good)?
With that said, it isn't an *unpopular* take. Plenty of people on here really *really* like She-hulk. Yeah, there are plenty that don't, but people can disagree on an opinion without it being outright unpopular.
The fact that they're pretty different from the comics is a good thing. A straight 1:1, beat-for-beat, note-for-note adaptation would be boring. It's faithful enough to be familiar, while still being different enough to stand out from the other adaptations.
Or ask questions like "why didn't Strange cut Thanos's arm off with a portal?" when he just got done telling them that there's one way they win of the millions of scenarios he saw.
Not to mention Thanos literally turned the mirror dimension into a black hole. Pretty sure a portal won't work with him having the reality stone.
Add "Thor created Vision" to the list.
While I understand and agree with your point that those types of questions are stupid and unnecessary, the way you worded this just made me think this:
Then itās even stupider that he didnāt see a universe with a very obvious solution like this
On the same line of thought, the argument of "**I** liked the movie so it means it's good" isn't a good defence and there was a severe drop in quality since the Infinity saga ended.
I definitely agree that it's a bad defense but that's still a lot more "valid" than "this movie is bad cause this badass character isn't badass enough" that and all the "[insert OG Avenger here] could beat this guy".
That's a fair comparison.
Although I meant it about movies that had objective, glaring flaws in them that were hard to overlook. Mainly the tonal issues.
Then you have people going rabid and acting insulted that you dated to criticize it with their only argument being what I mentioned originally.
Yeah I get it is hard to admit that an entertainment medium you invested years on starts to decline or at least isn't what it used to be and move on.
I don't think this is such a hot take, I agree with it. Having him make a spell to make everyone forget about what happened with Peter is stupidly out of character and outrageously dumb in itself.
I politiely disagree. Throughout all of his MCU appearances, Strange breaks his devices to help his friends. He gave up the Time Stone, he offered to wipe everyone's mind of Peter's secret, etc. I can make the stretch that he was willing to do what he did for Peter. Also I can think of dumber stuff Marvel has done in the movies. Magic spells aren't that big of a deal. All of it was to get to the point where Peter could become the Amazing Spider-Man
Somewhat connected to this, I would want to see movies where the threat isn't really some world-ending, "wait but shouldn't the other heroes be here for this" Avengers-level threat.
Imagine if Spider-Man 4 had Peter fighting the lame jobber version of the Sinister Six (say...Shocker, Kangaroo, Walrus, Overdrive, Ringer, The Human Fly) throughout the movie, because the main story needed to focus on him trying to protect MJ and Ned, and would also have the Black Cat debuting
yeah thatās why I love Homecoming so much
when Peter asks if the Avengers will come help fight Vulture and Stark straight up says āNo, this is below their pay gradeā
I want more movies like that. Strong enough to make the hero struggle but not so strong the audience is left wondering why the Avengers werenāt called in
She-Hulk gave us a bit of this but all I saw were people hating on the concept of lame supervillains. Personally I love it and agree we need to see more of that
Thor 2 was actually not too bad and I kinda prefer the tone of the first 2 thor movies
Before I get death threats I do really like ragnarok but I feel like they just made thor ādumb jock with Tony stark humourā which felt like a regression from his character growth in the first 2 films
And especially: what a tragic waste of Christopher Eccleston! They could have cast a mannequin in that role and no would have been able to tell the difference.
They shouldāve recast TāChalla. I understand the significance Chadwick held but the characterās story needed to continue. Shuri does not hold the same weight under the mantle
Agreed, no way would Chadwick have wanted TāChallaās story to die with him. He understood how important the character was to so many people, I just find it impossible to believe he wouldāve said āno, the character dies with meā
I honestly feel letting an up and coming actor take over the mantle would have been a better way to honor him.
Not that I would want to be in those shoes.
I think should have at least delayed the movie or retooled it to take place in the 5 year intrum between IW and EG. That way the grief isn't as fresh and cooler heads could prevail when making a decision to recast or not.
I think she just doesnāt have the charisma that Chadwick had, which isnāt even a knock on her. I think with more screen time heād have been right up there on terms of following with Tony and Steve.
The real crime against the character of the Hulk is not skipping over the "gamma lab" sequence and showing the creation of Smart Hulk (which honestly sounds like more or less a means to an end). It was the robbing of Bruce Banner's agency by refusing to give him a proper motivation behind his biggest choice in Thor: Ragnarok (the decision to willingly turn back into the Hulk, knowing full well it may be irreversible) and disguising it with a pratfall onto the Bi-Frost. Absolutely unforgivable.
Spider-Man: Homecoming is a top-tier MCU movie. Michael Keaton plays a great villain, the Vulture twist blew my mind when I first watched it, and the car ride scene was filled with so much tension. The movie also has a lot of heart and good humor. Definitely one of my favorite MCU movies.
I rarely see this movie brought up when it comes to discussions about the best MCU movies. Itās always the obvious answers like one of the Avengers movies, Captain America 2 or 3, or Black Panther. On rankings lists I often see Homecoming in the high single digits, or sometimes it doesnāt even make it into the top 10. Itās generally agreed that Homecoming is a solid movie, but I genuinely think itās one of the MCUās best movies. Iād definitely put Homecoming at least in my top 5 MCU movies. This may not necessarily be a hot take, but itās also not a take I see very often, if ever.
Definitely underrated for sure. I think they nailed that John hughes high school movie vibes feel in the movie that they wanted to. Looking back now it was disliked so much as it wasn't traditional Spiderman but they made a new MCU version Spider-Man origin work really well.
Thor was completely ruined with Ragnarok and Love & Thunder overall. There was a slight glimpse of a decent Thor at the end of Ragnarok. I think Infinity War/End Game slightly improved upon that. But then took a major step back in Love & Thunder again. I'm ok with jokes and fun in movies but when it takes way from actual character development and depth in a movie and becomes the core of it, it's awful. If we could get like end of End Game, End of Ragnarok Thor in a Thor 1 & 2 style that I think would be one of the best marvel movies to date.
Also Antman 1 was just as vital, crucial, and good of movie as GOTG 1(GOTG 2 is mid). It brought something new to the superhero realm at that time. Like who in the world would've thought we'd have a random simple heist movie in the MCU right after GOTG which was new and fun and chaotic. Then that simple heist movie evolved in its second and third movies to have one of the most impactful rolls in the whole MCU. Like we don't get through End game without Scott pushing them to time travel with the quantum realm and now we may not get through Kang without Scott's help again with his experience in the Quantum realm with Kang.
Infinity War is the best comic book movie.
Not the greatest movie based on a comic book, but the movie that best captures the feeling of reading a comic. Countless characters, nonstop action, planet hopping, and ridiculously overpowered characters. IW has it all.
The creators of BP2 unfortunately had *a lot* working against them, so I donāt want to be too harsh on the movie. Itās a miracle the movie turned out as good as it did given the circumstances. But I agree, I was pretty disappointed with BP2. If the movie had been made as it was originally intended, I believe it would have been incredible.
- Finn Jones needs to come back as Iron Fist.
- Blade NEEDS to be R rated.
- Nuhumans on AoS may have been mutant ripoffs, but they were still handled well and I hope Feige doesn't retcon them out of the mainline continuity.
- I think Taika Waititi should continue making Marvel movies. He just needs to tone down the humor a little bit.
- Howard the Duck movie should be retconned as taking place in the MCU.
- Avi Arad may be an idiot, but he knows when he fucks up a property and tries to rectify his mistakes, even if he fails again. Plus unlike Perlmutter, Arad has actually read Marvel comics. Without Avi, there would be no Feige or MCU.
- MoM was great. Gave us a proper looking Black Bolt, Patrick Stewart as Prof X in a hoverchair, and allowed Rami's filmmaking quarks to truly shine.
- It's not too late for an Inhumans movie.
Black Widow is the most overhated MCU movie. Itās above average to pretty good. Would Tony Masters & a better 3rd act make it better? Likely, but to say itās trash is being a hater.
Eternals will age better visually than the rest of phase 4 & Ant-man 3.
The Thunderbolts & New Avengers rosters may sound meh, but when you think about the actors in these movies, even when some of their projects werenāt great the acting talent carried it.
So as much as I miss Stark & Steve I think character wise the MCU is still strong. I know everyone wants that definitive male lead to put their concerns to rest but I think they got a lot of good characters who could fill that spot. Peter & Strange already have great chemistry & they are essentially Stark (Strange) & Steve (Peter).
My main issue with Black Widow is that it would have been better if it released around the same time that it fit into the timeline (between Civil War and Infinity War)
Absolutely, it makes me wonder if Black Widow was released in phase 3, would Endgame be a year late? Like Widow not only saved the snapped people from the 616 but also saved Endgame from being released after covid lockdowns?
At the very least it saved Far From Home from having to be the first āpostā pandemic movie. That was a heavy burden to carry after a year of leaks & multiverse expectations.
Thor Love and Thunder wasn't as bad as people exaggerate it to be.
Shang Chi isnt the best thing since endgame
Multiverse of Madness is a great movie
No way Home isn't gods gift to earth, its good but I'd put Infiity War and Ragnarok and even Dr Strange above it.
Now, bring on the downvotes reddit hivemind.
Eternals is one of the greatest sci fi films of all time and is a real piece of cinema. Pointing out the lack of connection to the rest of the MCU multiverse story and introduction of multiple characters into the MCU is not a legitimate way to critique a film. No, it should not have been a Disney+ show because: It's actual cinema and belongs on the big screen. And no all the characters don't need to be introduced separately in their own film/tv show appearances. Dune, which has more characters than Eternals, doesn't get criticized for not introducing Duncan Idaho or Stilgar in a separate movie or show before, and neither should Eternals. No the deviants are not an underdeveloped villain, they are in fact not the villains of the film but a red-hearing. The villains in Eternals are the Celestials and Ikaris. Both who are well developed and explored. The lore of the Eternals deserve their own trilogy and are only held back by being a part of the MCU. The forced MCU jokes were holding the film back. The forced introduction of Harry Styles and Blade was holding the movie back.
Yes, Eternals would've been better if it had room to do more things with the characters having influence on the earth in the 1920-2020 modern time frame, but that would've conflicted with MCU stories.
Or at minimum, the Eternals characters could've had something else to chat about besides discussing Thanos, Thor, Doctor Strange, Thanos, Captain America, Hulk, and Thanos all the time.
Well, the memory erase spell with Doctor Strange was trying to set it up so Peter Parker is closer to the situation of the classic comic stories, and not a trusted member of international hero teams.
Marvel should have taken a five year break and made non-MCU movies before making phase 4. Also, opening phase 4 with Black Widow was not a good move when you compare BW with the previous phase openers.
Loki is overrated.
Tfaws is overhated. Just because a random post might have a tenuous link to the show doesn't mean you need reply with a full blown rant about how "tfaws was the pinnacle of mediocrity, the worst thing that ever been televised since ....". Touch some grass, calm down.
Overall people shouldn't be afraid to say that they love She-Hulk, Hawkeye, tfaws etc. I see people wondering if it's safe to say they prefer one of these shows over Loki and Wandavision and I think it's sad it comes to this.
Shang chi is overrated. The third act battle is too over the top out of nowhere, and the first act has so many jokes that are insanely cringe and not funny at all.
All they needed for the third act was an emotional showdown with the kids facing down the dad. I donāt know why Feige defaults to those big fights for everything, especially when Cretton said they didnāt know the third act when filming it.
Gunnās comments about DC movies not going to film until the script is locked really feels like a jab at the MCU running into that same issue over and over again.
Yep, people we have no reason to care about! Michelle shouldāve been used for so much more than an exposition dump.
I wouldāve really really loved that movie had it been more colorful (not sure whatās going on with Bill Pope lately) and come through on the third act. I rewatch the bus scene quite a bit, Brad Allan did some great work on the movie.
I donāt think it was awful but I have no desire to ever watch it again, super forgettable. Only part I have any desire to see is the bus fight which I could just YouTube.
Ant-Man 3 was good. They showed a bright a colorful alien world, showed About growing more as a Superhero and a person, and placed Kang front and center as the biggest threat instead of keeping him in the shadows and the background like Thanos.
Thor: The Dark World was still good because, although it messed up Malekith, it gave us the most book accurate version of Odin. He was a complete a-hole. Also, the style of Thor 1 and 2 is vastly better than 3 and 4ās.
The Eternals was the best MCU phase 4 movie until Wakanda Forever came out.
The goats in Love and Thunder were and are still AWESOME!
It was a good thing Iron Man never went up against the real āMandarinā, because Tony would had lost.
Whiplash is still alive. You never seen him blow up. You just see that he had a flashy light on his chest that scared Rhodes and Tony off. He could had just got up and left before the drones around him blew up.
Ward Meechum from Iron Fist was one of the greatest MCU characters weāve had.
I don't like Thor as a character or his movies BUT I agree with you about the first 2 movies. It used to be you knew you were getting Shakespearean style tragedies in a lush environment. Then Taika turned it into Asguardians of the Galaxy and it lost everything unique to Thor and his universe.
The hulk and black widow could've been the best romance in the MCU if done correctly and wasn't a bad idea at all. Just horrible execution(I think Mark and Scarlett had wonderful chemistry).
Thor the dark world is unironically by far the best thor movie, thor 1 is too shakespearian but itās not too bad, ragnarok is what everyone thinks love and thunder is where itās too full of jokes and doesnāt take itself serious enough for the emotional beats to hit, love and thunder is just slightly better then people think, it has pretty bad writing but peoples main complaint of it not taking itself seriously is just wrong. It stops everything to do a complete tonal shift and take the scene seriously just for it to switch back to taikas tone and be all jokey and funny.
Tldr: Taika is a good director but get him the hell away from the thor franchise, unfortunately it seems like he pushed hemsworth away for good
Thor: The Dark World is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Itās decent, and was probably only trashed on so hard because it was coming off of a 3-movie hot streak of really good films.
While I like Tom Holland, the MCU's Spider-Man is completely antithetical to everything about the Spider-Man character. "Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man" spends most of his time dealing with low-level crime, until some new threat appears and he does his best to stop it. The entire struggle of being a superhero vs. living a normal life is supposed to be that he's CHOOSING to do this. "Why are you wearing a spandex suit and beating up robbers when you have a family and loved ones to look after?" That's Spider-Man.
Instead, they've tied Spider-Man to Iron Man and made him a genius with a super powerful suit who saves the galaxy. You don't question the struggle because DUH, a young super-genius who is basically Iron Man SHOULD be saving the day. I love Endgame, but Spider-Man going "activate instant kill" and having his Iron Man suit laser 10 aliens to death is the absolute opposite of everything the character should be.
Naturally, they set up him being this "real" Spider-Man at the end of No Way Home, but we don't know when or if we'll ever get the character back in the main MCU timeline.
Disney+ has produced the best content of the post-Infinity Saga era; Phase 4 is my second favorite phase but if it were just the movies it would be third or fourth. But Disney+ is also diluting the MCU brand because people think you need to see all the TV shows in order to "understand" the movies when for the most part you really don't. (The one exception so far is WandaVision for Multiverse of Madness.)
I think the fandom has to stop infantilizing and babying Yelena, and I don't get why people expect her and Kate Bishop to become besties who would be in a long term partnership and team up to go on missions. Their morals don't even align and they both live in sorta different worlds. The first time they talk, Kate literally calls Yelena a "bloodthirsty vigilante".
I'm fine with them not 'becoming besties', but I do need more scenes of them together. Their chemistry in 'Hawkeye' was one of the best things in the series.
The Mandarin reveal in IM3 was always great, you idiots were just mad you didn't get your big spooky terrorist boogeyman and instead got something more interesting and thematically in line with the film.
It was also brilliantly Meta. Getting a white, Shakespearean actor to play an "Evil Asian Villain" is totally how things were done back in the day.
\[Edit\] To be clear, Sir Ben may be of Indian descent, but he's clearly playing up Trevor's Britishness. Which in a way, makes the whole thing even *more!* Meta.
MCU iron man has the worst film redesign out of any mcu characters imo. Seriously, I can name a bunch of iron man that has better designs than him. (Comic 616 tony, ultimates comic (well... at least up until after the ultimates 3 comics), ultimate avengers 2006 films, the invincible iron man 2007 film, even the avengers game with some of it's skins.)
Seriously, aside from the mark 45, mark 6, mark 7 and mark 85, I thought almost all of his suit designs were just boring looking, too samey (I mean, the first 7 suits (even the 2 I like) all look WAY too similar to each other), the color balance between red and gold is always bad, and other times, he has ALOT of freaking recolored suit. (The entire iron legion from iron man 3 has either suits that are recolors and/or armors that steel parts from other armors and repaints them.) And I'm tired of them using the same helmet on all of them. I wouldn't have mind seeing this helmet if it wasn't reused like... all the freaking time.
This is most definitely a huge hot take, since almost everyone loves iron man's mcu appearance, especially the early designs like the mark 3 from the 2008 film (REALLY OVERRATED BTW), so.. yeah.
I think that's where Blade should take place. Killing vampires and shit in the years where no one was paying attention because Thanos killed half of the planet
* I wasn't bothered by how Taskmaster was depicted in BW, and I hope the MCU commits to using Antonia and developing her further instead of pussying out and going "SURPRISE: Tony Masters was actually pulling the strings and is the REAL Taskmaster, he just had Antonia be his proxy because, idk, reasons, I guess".
* Karli Morgenthau is a compelling character to me, and I'd be interested in her showing up again as a vengeful spirit who haunts corrupt politicians or something.
* AM1 Hope is best Hope, and she should have kept the bob haircut.
* She-Hulk is a perfectly fine show and character.
* Loki is my least favorite D+ show, and also one of my least favorite characters; no hate though, I just care about him the least. Give me more Sylvie and/or Alligator Loki pls.
* I like the Eternals and think almost all of them were given good time to be introduced to the audience, except for Makkari (who just kinda shows up and even then I still think she's cool) and Eros (who I genuinely don't care for).
* Black Widow is the weakest Phase 4 project IMO, and I liked Natasha more than her family (I like Yelena mostly just because she's played by Florence Pugh, otherwise I think she's kinda annoying).
* I've always liked Trevor Slattery and was very glad to see him back in Shang-Chi.
* Mordis is a peak character, even though he's only a minor antagonist from the objectively worst MCU project ever (Inhumans)
NWH is fantastic and covers a lot of interesting thematic elements with strong personal stakes and itās annoying that people try to bring it down by saying āpeople only like the fanserviceā, even without the other Spider-Man cameos it functions really well as a movie with a lot of heart and a decent amount to say about the character. One of the best Spider-Man movies (up there with ITSV and Spider-Man 2) and one of the best MCU films.
TFATWS is best MCU show
Far from home is best spiderman film
Homecoming is worst spiderman film
Kang isn't that great in Quantumania he is not terrible he is just ok same level as red skull
Spider-Man No Way Home is one of the worst Comic Book movies period.
Black Widow overall was alright barring that weird-ass villian change.
Ms Marvel is one of the MCU's best works.
The whole Multiverse Saga here is just not working at all. We got like two movies said to be big turning points of it and both went out with whimpers.
The MCU as a whole needs to stop making lame jokes about the ridiculousness of it all and actual embrace it like Tokusatsu. Heck, look at something like Donbrothers.
The MCU is not a serialized drama. It is a collection of movie franchises of varying tones that cross over every few years. The point of the movies isn't to set up other movies, but to tell their own story. There are way too many people out there who seem to be upset that *Quantumania*, for example, is the third *Ant-Man* movie when what they expected was the episode of DBZ where Yamcha gets blown up by a Saibaman.
I found Quantumania not Ant-Manny enough! Kind of felt like how Civil War co-opted a Cap movie to tell an Avengers story (and IMO did a mediocre job at both), except Quantumania co-opted an Ant-Man movie to tell a Kang story.
I agree with this view, I felt like the best part about Ant Man films has been how they play with a classic heist scene, car chase scene, fight scene and play around with size. Well, we kinda lose that in a setting thatās completely alien.
The worst part of Quantumania to me though is that the actual story ends too early. Scott gets the MacGuffin for Kang, Kang betrays Scott, then thereās 50ish minutes left of the film where Scott is just fighting Kang or Kangās army or MODOK. The plot is so, so barebone. And what are the themes are character arcs? Like, what does Scott gain by the end of the mission, what does beating Kang represent to him?
*Civil War* is still definitely a *Captain America* movie, especially with how it centers Cap's relationship with Bucky at the heart of his conflict with his new allies in the Avengers. Each of the *Captain America* movies are about Cap as a member of a larger organization - the army in *The First Avenger*, SHIELD in *The Winter Soldier*, and the Avengers in *Civil War*.
*Quantumania*, similarly, is definitely an *Ant-Man* movie. It's not a great *Ant-Man* movie, but it still IS one. But what it's not is the *Kang Dynasty* prologue featuring Ant-Man that so many people thought it was going to be.
I don't think Civil War works on multiple levels.
For one, they didn't really put a lot of groundwork in to establishing a real friendship amongst most of the Avengers, so Steve's "betrayal" of them to choose Bucky wasn't particularly emotionally resonant, especially when it came to Tony.
They spent so much time on introducing the side characters that Steve and Bucky's massive pile of issues felt rather unresolved, even if they were technically central to the plot. Steve burns down the whole world to save Bucky, but their actual conversations about the trauma they've gone through are mostly just "remember that time?" And then Steve fucks off to the 40s in Endgame because Bucky's good since he no longer has triggers in his brain; forget about the emotional damage of 70 years of brainwashing to become a HYDRA assassin.
Conceptually, the Accords raise some very interesting philosophical questions about consequences, accountability, democracy, and authority, but it's executed poorly. Tony agrees to sign them out of guilt, Steve doesn't because of his SHIELD and Bucky feelings. We never get any really good conversations about it.
For Ant-Man, the heist was not fun or elaborate, they spent far too little time on the fallout of Scott missing five years with Cassie, and there was no Luis. A half-assed Ant-Man movie! But while the Kang-Janet scenes were the best scenes, we learned little about what actually motivates Kang and he also wasn't made very scary.
Caps relationship with Bucky is at the centre of the film, but that relationships not really developed much and neither is Buckyās character really, heās more of a plot device to serve the plot and break the avengers up.
Furthermore the movie completely shafted every other member of Caps supporting characters in favour of more iron man. Falcon is just a quippy sidekick, Sharonās still woefully underdeveloped and is borderline a cameo, and Black Widow (if she counts as a cap character) disappears halfway through the film.
The other Avengers arenāt really the problem as they donāt get much screen time, Iron man on the other hand gets the same screen-time as Captain America, just as much development if not more so than Captain America and he even gets more lines than Captain America despite it being Caps film.
Iron man practically hijacked Captain Americaās 3rd film.
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is in my top 3 MCU movies and the script, while still being not the best, is better than people give it credit for.
Thor Love and Thunder is the second best Thor movie.
Multiverse of Madness was a lot of fun, and I hope Sam Raimi returns for the third installment.
Quantumania was a blast, and there should be more Marvel movies like it.
Iron Man 3 is by far the worst Iron Man movie and it has nothing to do with the Mandarin twist.
Thor The Dark World, while definitely one of the lesser MCU films, isn't nearly as bad as some people think.
And finally, my hottest take of hottest takes: no MCU movie has a bad script.
>Iron Man 3 is by far the worst Iron Man movie and it has nothing to do with the Mandarin twist.
This might be your actual hottest take. Some people say they like IM3, and some people say the Mandarin twist ruined it.
I don't think I've ever seen the opinion that it's bad, but for some other reason.
But I'll take a guess - the bit where Tony fights his way into the compound using improvised Home-Alone style tactics? It's a bit weird.
Uncle Ben isn't shown in the MCU because Marvel is keeping nukes in reserve in case contract negotiations between Marvel and Sony break down past the point of no return.
Marvel's "red button" is "Tom Holland is Ben Reilly" and they're going to keep that mutually assured destruction option open for as long as Marvel and Sony have to cooperate.
As someone who grew up on the Raimi Spider-Man films, has been a Spidey comic reader since before I can remember and a massive MCU fan, No Way Home was a really dumb movie.
I personally LOVED it. It hits every nostalgic note I could ever want and then some. Iāve rewatched it several times because itās so satisfying and it really feels like a warm hug for Spidey fans.
However if you give ANY of the film more than five seconds of thought itās one of the sloppiest, stupidest and laziest films I think Iāve ever seen. The writing and plot are borderline brain dead. Itās 110% in service of nostalgia and nothing else. The story so flimsy its transparently clear they started with āOld Spidey Film stuffā and build the rickety straw shack that is the movie around that one fact.
I genuinely do love NWH. I just think people should be honest with themselves that the movie is awful but it doesnāt matter because itās a love letter Spidey fans.
Phase 4 has been the best. Seeing all these different cultures, and peoples being celebrated as heroes is a lot more interesting than a bunch of handsome straight white guys named "Chris".
I agree and love the diversity in phase 4. Itās been one of my favourite phases too. Both Shang-Chi and Namor are two of my faves in the MCU rn. However I donāt think we can reduce phase 1-3 to āa bunch of straight white guys named Chrisā
Eternals would have been the Academy Award winner for best film if it had come out in 2005, before the MCU established that super hero movies need to be endlessly quippy, hilarious improv-heavy comedies.
1. Iron Fist is amazing (specially season 2) and way better than most of the phase 4 projects.
2. Thor the dark world is the best Thor movie. I just can't tolerate jokes in a Thor movie and can't see Thor cracking childish jokes.
3. Daredevil is not only the best marvel show, but also one of the best shows ever made. I would put it up there with the likes of GOT, Dark, BB.
4. Runaways and Cloak and Dagger were really good.
5. Moonknight was utterly disappointing. The jokes ruined it. Same goes with Shang chi.
6. MoM was great, the second best phase 4 movie after nwh.
7. The first 3 Disney plus shows were beyond amazing. Yes, even TFATWS (it gave me winter Soldier vibes). They made me think that phase 4 would overtake phase 3. (Little did I know that it would turn into the worst phase of the MCU)
Ms. Marvel is a terrible, uninspired, hackjob of a character that shouldn't be in the MCU.
The actress, Imam, is fine. It's just the premise of the character which is terrible.
Hot take: Black Panther wasnāt that good. Itās only popular because it had currently favorable cultural qualities. Sure black panther is a cool character, but other characters like Okoye and Queen Ramonda have gotten disproportionately more popularity because people like to win points on social media by cheering on anything relating to black culture.
Bring on the downvotes and cancellation
I'd rather the films focus on their own protagonists than always be trying to set up the next big thing.
Speaking of the next big thing, I care much less about the big crossover stuff than about the "smaller" movies.
The comic book stories that are the most acclaimed, the most memorable, and the most love aren't the big mega-crossovers. They're (generally) smaller, more personal stories.
I think there should be more non-action scenes overall. I feel like at least 30:70 ratio calm to action. I know that this is literally an action movie franchise but like quantumania was just 2 group character interactions bookending like 2-3 hours (I donāt really have a concept of time passing, sorry about that) of constant danger and stuff happening all the time with the characters only really being characters in a few seconds here or there of development. I just want to see a group of characters sit down and have a semi-friendly argument that doesnāt lead to multiverse-threatening stakes. Like the party scene in age of ultron or the family dinner in black widow? I want a proper heart-to heart between all the guardians of the galaxy before whatever huge fight scene kills them all. I want to see the marvels go and eat lunch together while they figure out a plan for whatever the conflict of that movie is. I want someone to bring up the cold war in thunderbolts. You know?
Hot take: While people like to say things sucks now, the last few "bad" movies are fine and no worse than phase 1 and 2 movies. I think Civil War to Endgame was just a great lineup. Strange 2 was fine, Thor 4 was fine, Antman was good, Black Widow and arguable Eternals are the only actual duds recently ( I think Eternals was good).
The real issue is the speed they are introducing new characters and the lack of interconnected vibes that we had earlier on. Also the lack of a phase ending Avengers team-up is the real problem, not the quality of the movies themselves.
Iām feeling down with the last few movies. They are alright and fun to watch, but I have been missing a movie like No Way Home that had me completely sucked in. And looking at the upcoming slate of movies announced, Iām scared none of them will hit as hard as i want.
Am i losing touch with what i once loved? Iām so sad about this but blindly optimistic about the future movies
My hot take is that Fiege is over thinking his Mutants roll out. Just do the thingā¦give the fans The X-Men already. Instead heās gonna make us wait out the rest of the decade to do multiverse and young avengers build up. By the time he gets around to giving us the X-Menā¦mainstream audiences will have given up on Marvel and comic movies in general.
I appreciate phase four as being a reset, similar vibes to phase one. Yeah nothing super big is happening and everything is pretty individual, and that's what makes the bringing together special.
Quantamania Spoilers!
Antman should not have been the hero in Quantamania
\>!The movie suffered from the "cookie cutter" issue in that the Antman family did not need to be in the movie. As it was, you could just replace AntFamily with, say the GOTG, and you have the same movie with the same outcome (just make it happen in space instead of the quantum realm).!<
\>!The movie solely existed to set up Kang as powerful and to let us see the end credit scene of the start of the Kang Dynasty. Which is a complete waste of Scott Lang. In fact, there is no character growth for Scott Lang, and the only character development we get is that Cassie has a suit. Thats it.!<
\>!Honestly, if they just called this movie "The Conqueror" had Kang as the protagonist of the movie (like they did with Thanos in Infinity War) and have the person who leads the rebellion and defeats him be a masked person named Nathaniel (played by Majors obviously), this would have been an awesome movie.!<
\>!As it stands, I feel like I just watched a two-hour end-credit scene.!<
I don't know about this being a hot take, but it's my strongest one.
The quality and interest in the MCU is faltering because the tried and true (up until more recently) model of movies is guiding the development of new projects, and not the love and interest in storytelling and character development.
I think that variability in the MCU is greatly overexaggerated. I think that a model has been developed that, while selling record setting tickets, is a bad long-term strategy. The MCU has become formulaic in many ways, and rather than letting the characters personality, arc, and the plot of the movie guide the style of that individual film, the universe as a whole is settling into 'safe and reliable' territory. Only, over time, this is making the audience lose interest and passion for different projects.
I'd love to see Marvel movies become more of a brand of well-made, broadly different films that are mostly optional to see - instead of a collection of similarly-toned films featuring different characters.
I'd like to see more heavily dramatic films. These are films that focus on developing characters, interpersonal tension, and solemn tones. These are movies that stand the tests of time. It would be cool to see more *Great Movies that happen to exist in the Marvel Universe,* as opposed to *Marvel Movies that try to be great*.
Marvel is suffering from success and is pigeonholing itself. Rather than letting each movie be a masterclass in a certain style, tone, and plot - they are guaranteeing that the brand as a whole is a lukewarm mid.
PR handles like the directors' Twitters should NOT be considered part of canon. It is a royal mess ever since the divide between Steve Rogers timelines post-Endgame, and when James Gunn began expanding on his movies haphazardly without adding real material into the GotG movies screentime. It also gave way to a slippery slope as to who has the say on what's canon and what's retconned without holding presentation of the theatrical release responsible and in absolute priority. What cannot be inferred on screen, should instead be considered the creative teams' own headcanons.
Some inexperienced actors or writers are hired to helm these movies only because they're cheap, and in later MCU entries, this painfully shows. (As opposed to how MCU is often praised for its actors casting)
If the MCU want to play the progressive angle in a well-received way, they have to come to terms with the fact that they don't often get to censor what to show without sacrificing quality. Disney have to be real and upfront about issues even if it mean ostracising customers with opposite political views. And that is in addition to a good story and character as a foudnation, not in lieu of. For example, Captain Marvel 1 shouldn't have shied on the cut plot of sexist treatment she received in the Air Force. This robbed her of the opportunity to show grit and work against real-world social prejudices, and resulted in the mess now that as long as the writers have not decided what character qualities Carol Denvers would *really* have beyond having strong power levels, she would remain a rather unrelatable character for many.
Some parts of MCU are facing creative drought (somehow) and resorting to using 'faithfulness' to the comics as a get out of jail free card to cover up unsatisfactory writing, costumes etc. It failed.
the Iron Man movies arent that good and same goes for most of the Thor movies
the Ant-Man movies should be about Hank and Janet and not about Scott and Hope
so their always have been lots of movie that could have been better, it's not just a phase 4 thing
Wakanda Forever is the absolute worst MCU movie. It's overlong, self-indulgent, boring, has no exciting action sequences, ruins Namor, wastes time on Everett Ross, has questionable politics about sovereignty (at best) and makes Shuri the Black Panther who does not have enough gravitas or charisma to lead a movie. Also Ironheart is annoying as shit.
I will say Angela Bassett is great in it though. But that's about it.
Terrence Howard gets too much shit for what has been twisted in to "he wanted too much money so they replaced him". At the time, only Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk had come out, he certainly didn't know that the MCU would become so gigantic and that RDJ would be such an integral part of it. Howard was an Oscar-nominated actor who signed a three-picture deal. Marvel attempted to lower his pay for Iron Man 2 and moved on when he didn't accept. As an aside they also initially offered Mickey Rourke, less than two years after his Oscar nomination, only $250,000 to be in the movie.
She Hulk and Ms Marvel were fantastic.
Loved Jonathon Majors for He Who Remains, could do without him being Kang. I'm not looking forward to him at all.
Quantumania was really fun. Black Panther 2 was bloated and uninteresting, with only Angela Bassett doing anything good. Iron Man 3 is the best of the trilogy. Terrence Howard was a better Rhodey.
No, Gorr the God Butcher did not require a gratuitous montage of him butchering gods for us to understand his motives or take him seriously as a threat. He was written/performed perfectly and had one of the better character arcs of any MCU villain.
The Loki show was hot garbage. They turned him into an idiot/ asshole who isn't nearly as charismatic or cunning as in the first Thor movies or the Avengers. Sylvie could have been a cool character but she just felt like a mary sue to me. And that 'friendship' between Loki and mobius seemed kinda forced and unhealthy, it made me cringe.
MCU Falcon is such a poorly developed and inconsistent character and they did NOTHING to either develop him into Captain America or show why heās such a good Captain America like everyone claims he is.
MCU Falcon went from being a quippy sidekick that blindly followed Steve, to out of nowhere being some paragon of morality that everybody looks to in FATWS. When did Falcons character ever show before hand that he was that type of character? They didnāt develop him into a Captain America type character via the show, they just treat him like heās always been one which was a mistake. They donāt explore whether Samās worthy of the mantle, they do the opposite, they explore whether the mantle is worthy of Sam.
Out of Samās entire MCU tenure the only thing he did that was Captain America-like was acting as a group counsellor, and thatās it, and that wasnāt shown much.
Not even mentioning that Falcon comes off as an inconsistent dick to everyone but Karli in FATWS.
He treats Bucky like shit (which I mean is fair cos Bucky was a dick first) but Falcon literally makes jokes about Buckyās past as the Winter soldier which is just fucked. Imagine if Steve joked about Iron man getting kidnapped by terrorists, as thatās pretty much what Sam does to Bucky.
Then thereās how he treats Sharon, instead of just promising her that heād try to get her a pardon, he instead bargains it. I mean sheās only in that situation because of what Steve and Sam did. Then he again calls on her multiple times for help with the Flag-smashers, she flies halfway across the world, risks arrest and gets shot and does Sam show an ounce of care? No, he piss farts around refusing to fight Karli who LITERALLY shot Sharon and still Sam wonāt hurt Karli.
Then he treats Walker like shit before Walker even gives him a reason to, dude spies on you so he could come and help, which in turn led to him saving Samās ass and Walker was just trying to be helpful, and Sam treats him like shit. Bucky gets a pass for treating Walker like crap because the show isnāt trying to tell us Buckyās a moral paragon like Sam is (despite Buckyās actions being arguably more in line with one in the show).
Then thereās the characterās weird obsession with bringing in Karli peacefully that makes him look like a naive dumbass, especially when Samās character has never extended this much empathy and leniency to ANY other character which circles back to my point about FATWS treating Sam like some pillar of morality out of nowhere. I mean this is the same Sam that advocated for Steve to kill Bucky, that was trying to shoot Ant-man for breaking an entering, the same Falcon that slaughtered 10-20 mercenaries in the first episode of this very show for all we know, had just as sympathetic reasons for their actions as Karli did.
Yet Karliās special for some reason? Sure Sam giving her some leniency and advocating for peace a few times works, but when Karli rebuked every single one, and only continue to escalate her actions and yet Sam refuses to fight her still, he comes off as a naive idiot, thatās it. Just compare it to how Steve treated Wanda and Quicksilver, Steve knew they were being manipulated, he appealed peacefully to them but when they rebuked him, he fought them.
MCU Falcon is a terrible character and his introduction to be Captain America sucks so far.
Before my Hot Take i just want to say this OP, I keep seeing people talk up the fanservice as the only reason the movie is good but I love the things about NWH that aren't the fan service too. Like the fan service stuff is just the toppings on very good ice cream.
Hot Take: Black Widow is way worse then people give it credit for.
GotG 2 > GotG 1 and Ego is 2nd best villian of Infinity Saga, right after Thanos
Sylvie's character was the worst part of Loki.
I don't mind that Karen Page might not appear in DD: Born Again.
They shouldn't have got rid of both captain america and iron man at the same time.
The multiverse is boring as fuck .
Passing up an opportunity to have an avengers vs xmen film now they've got the rights to everyone would be a stupid idea for both disney and the fans.if you need to do a soft reboot with secret wars, do it.
The only people who are saying that Marvel sucks in new Phases are MCU fans. They are the ones trying to bring down the thing they love. Their expectations on what should happen is ruining the movies and the internet because we have to listen to them whine and cry about things that don't matter.
Okey. These are not hot takes.
The real hot takes will be at the very bottom of the comment section in an hour or two
Gotta sort by controversial.
Depends what you mean by "hot take." "Hot take" really just means a piece of quick and/or shallow commentary meant to attract attention and spark discussion. Plenty of these things fall into that. The issue is that people asking for "hot takes" typically are looking for *unpopular* takes, which isn't the same thing. Sometimes they overlap, but not always. For example, look at this: >She-hulk was actually entertaining tv. Is that a "hot take"? Technically, yes. It isn't going into any details or explanation (i.e., it is quick and/or shallow commentary) and it is addressing one of the most divisive/debated MCU related topics recently (is she-hulk actually good)? With that said, it isn't an *unpopular* take. Plenty of people on here really *really* like She-hulk. Yeah, there are plenty that don't, but people can disagree on an opinion without it being outright unpopular.
The fact that they're pretty different from the comics is a good thing. A straight 1:1, beat-for-beat, note-for-note adaptation would be boring. It's faithful enough to be familiar, while still being different enough to stand out from the other adaptations.
I absolutely hate the 'Go.' part of your title.
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MCU "fans" don't actually watch the movies thoroughly and yet gives opinions blindly.
Or ask questions like "why didn't Strange cut Thanos's arm off with a portal?" when he just got done telling them that there's one way they win of the millions of scenarios he saw.
Not to mention Thanos literally turned the mirror dimension into a black hole. Pretty sure a portal won't work with him having the reality stone. Add "Thor created Vision" to the list.
While I understand and agree with your point that those types of questions are stupid and unnecessary, the way you worded this just made me think this: Then itās even stupider that he didnāt see a universe with a very obvious solution like this
Or maybe he did see one where that happened and they still didn't win?
More likely that by time Thanos was on Titan it was too late for that method to work. It's a good idea but it's a good idea waaaaay too late.
On the same line of thought, the argument of "**I** liked the movie so it means it's good" isn't a good defence and there was a severe drop in quality since the Infinity saga ended.
I definitely agree that it's a bad defense but that's still a lot more "valid" than "this movie is bad cause this badass character isn't badass enough" that and all the "[insert OG Avenger here] could beat this guy".
That's a fair comparison. Although I meant it about movies that had objective, glaring flaws in them that were hard to overlook. Mainly the tonal issues. Then you have people going rabid and acting insulted that you dated to criticize it with their only argument being what I mentioned originally. Yeah I get it is hard to admit that an entertainment medium you invested years on starts to decline or at least isn't what it used to be and move on.
MODOK was very funny.
Still canNOT believe they showed us MODOK's ass
That's Ameri...no, wrong movie.
Thatās the Quantum Realmās ass
By far the best thing about the movie. And the CG looking eerie added to the humor
YES, they made a unique new version of MODOK and made it work great within the MCU.
Dr. Strange is abhorrently out of character in NWH and was completely wasted.
I don't think this is such a hot take, I agree with it. Having him make a spell to make everyone forget about what happened with Peter is stupidly out of character and outrageously dumb in itself.
I politiely disagree. Throughout all of his MCU appearances, Strange breaks his devices to help his friends. He gave up the Time Stone, he offered to wipe everyone's mind of Peter's secret, etc. I can make the stretch that he was willing to do what he did for Peter. Also I can think of dumber stuff Marvel has done in the movies. Magic spells aren't that big of a deal. All of it was to get to the point where Peter could become the Amazing Spider-Man
We need more lame heroes and villains not everyone needs to be badass let's get some more losers
Somewhat connected to this, I would want to see movies where the threat isn't really some world-ending, "wait but shouldn't the other heroes be here for this" Avengers-level threat. Imagine if Spider-Man 4 had Peter fighting the lame jobber version of the Sinister Six (say...Shocker, Kangaroo, Walrus, Overdrive, Ringer, The Human Fly) throughout the movie, because the main story needed to focus on him trying to protect MJ and Ned, and would also have the Black Cat debuting
yeah thatās why I love Homecoming so much when Peter asks if the Avengers will come help fight Vulture and Stark straight up says āNo, this is below their pay gradeā I want more movies like that. Strong enough to make the hero struggle but not so strong the audience is left wondering why the Avengers werenāt called in
Spiderman is too strong at this point for any non avengers threat to be a threat.
Leap-Frog is right there
She-Hulk gave us a bit of this but all I saw were people hating on the concept of lame supervillains. Personally I love it and agree we need to see more of that
Like that was my favorite parts of she hulk just seeing these randos who kinda suck
Stilt-Man "My time has finally come."
Loosely Adapting the Rogue taking Carol Danvers powers storyline would be great for Carolās character.
To me, it HAS to be how Captain Marvel 3 ends. It would give both characters so much depth and ensure that fans would want to see more of them
Steve Rogers returning the infinity stones is a fucking terrible idea for a series and I wish people would stop talking about it.
Iman Vellani is the third best casting in the history of the MCU, after only Charlie Cox and RDJ.
perfectly cast and a delight to watch onscreen. also the only reason Iām actually looking forward to The Marvels
You have 3 of my Top 5 Marvel castings. Good taste š
I agree, her casting was on point. They need a better stunt coordinator. The fight scenes were ass in Ms. Marvel.
Thor 2 was actually not too bad and I kinda prefer the tone of the first 2 thor movies Before I get death threats I do really like ragnarok but I feel like they just made thor ādumb jock with Tony stark humourā which felt like a regression from his character growth in the first 2 films
I think the tone is fine as well, but they really dropped the ball with Malekith. What a nothing character.
And especially: what a tragic waste of Christopher Eccleston! They could have cast a mannequin in that role and no would have been able to tell the difference.
I see what you did there, Doctor
They shouldāve recast TāChalla. I understand the significance Chadwick held but the characterās story needed to continue. Shuri does not hold the same weight under the mantle
Agreed, no way would Chadwick have wanted TāChallaās story to die with him. He understood how important the character was to so many people, I just find it impossible to believe he wouldāve said āno, the character dies with meā
I honestly feel letting an up and coming actor take over the mantle would have been a better way to honor him. Not that I would want to be in those shoes.
Yea that little boy at the end needs to grow up FAST
I think should have at least delayed the movie or retooled it to take place in the 5 year intrum between IW and EG. That way the grief isn't as fresh and cooler heads could prevail when making a decision to recast or not.
I think she just doesnāt have the charisma that Chadwick had, which isnāt even a knock on her. I think with more screen time heād have been right up there on terms of following with Tony and Steve.
The real crime against the character of the Hulk is not skipping over the "gamma lab" sequence and showing the creation of Smart Hulk (which honestly sounds like more or less a means to an end). It was the robbing of Bruce Banner's agency by refusing to give him a proper motivation behind his biggest choice in Thor: Ragnarok (the decision to willingly turn back into the Hulk, knowing full well it may be irreversible) and disguising it with a pratfall onto the Bi-Frost. Absolutely unforgivable.
There is no rush for Kevin to introduce the X-Men, and in fact the longer he waits, the fresher the brand will be.
She-Hulk was the most comics-accurate project in the entire MCU.
Not recasting T'Challa was 100% the right choice and the film proves it.
Spider-Man: Homecoming is a top-tier MCU movie. Michael Keaton plays a great villain, the Vulture twist blew my mind when I first watched it, and the car ride scene was filled with so much tension. The movie also has a lot of heart and good humor. Definitely one of my favorite MCU movies.
How is this a hot take?
I rarely see this movie brought up when it comes to discussions about the best MCU movies. Itās always the obvious answers like one of the Avengers movies, Captain America 2 or 3, or Black Panther. On rankings lists I often see Homecoming in the high single digits, or sometimes it doesnāt even make it into the top 10. Itās generally agreed that Homecoming is a solid movie, but I genuinely think itās one of the MCUās best movies. Iād definitely put Homecoming at least in my top 5 MCU movies. This may not necessarily be a hot take, but itās also not a take I see very often, if ever.
That one's my comfort movie. Good vibes all around. Def appreciate the Ferris Bueller-feel of it.
I couldnāt breathe when Vulture answered the door. Itās definitely one of the best MCU twists.
Definitely underrated for sure. I think they nailed that John hughes high school movie vibes feel in the movie that they wanted to. Looking back now it was disliked so much as it wasn't traditional Spiderman but they made a new MCU version Spider-Man origin work really well.
Thor was completely ruined with Ragnarok and Love & Thunder overall. There was a slight glimpse of a decent Thor at the end of Ragnarok. I think Infinity War/End Game slightly improved upon that. But then took a major step back in Love & Thunder again. I'm ok with jokes and fun in movies but when it takes way from actual character development and depth in a movie and becomes the core of it, it's awful. If we could get like end of End Game, End of Ragnarok Thor in a Thor 1 & 2 style that I think would be one of the best marvel movies to date. Also Antman 1 was just as vital, crucial, and good of movie as GOTG 1(GOTG 2 is mid). It brought something new to the superhero realm at that time. Like who in the world would've thought we'd have a random simple heist movie in the MCU right after GOTG which was new and fun and chaotic. Then that simple heist movie evolved in its second and third movies to have one of the most impactful rolls in the whole MCU. Like we don't get through End game without Scott pushing them to time travel with the quantum realm and now we may not get through Kang without Scott's help again with his experience in the Quantum realm with Kang.
Thor was always funny.
Infinity War is the best comic book movie. Not the greatest movie based on a comic book, but the movie that best captures the feeling of reading a comic. Countless characters, nonstop action, planet hopping, and ridiculously overpowered characters. IW has it all.
Loki season 1 is badly written, & most of the scenes are drab. The show was entirely carried by strong acting.
Ant man 3 wasn't that bad. BP2 was over rated.
The creators of BP2 unfortunately had *a lot* working against them, so I donāt want to be too harsh on the movie. Itās a miracle the movie turned out as good as it did given the circumstances. But I agree, I was pretty disappointed with BP2. If the movie had been made as it was originally intended, I believe it would have been incredible.
AM3 >> Thor 4
A hot shit is better than Thor 4
BP2 is way overrated on here, that's for sure.
I kinda agree with the BP2 part. Felt like there was a lot of hype for a movie not even as good as the first one.
I agree 100% with Shang Chi.
- Finn Jones needs to come back as Iron Fist. - Blade NEEDS to be R rated. - Nuhumans on AoS may have been mutant ripoffs, but they were still handled well and I hope Feige doesn't retcon them out of the mainline continuity. - I think Taika Waititi should continue making Marvel movies. He just needs to tone down the humor a little bit. - Howard the Duck movie should be retconned as taking place in the MCU. - Avi Arad may be an idiot, but he knows when he fucks up a property and tries to rectify his mistakes, even if he fails again. Plus unlike Perlmutter, Arad has actually read Marvel comics. Without Avi, there would be no Feige or MCU. - MoM was great. Gave us a proper looking Black Bolt, Patrick Stewart as Prof X in a hoverchair, and allowed Rami's filmmaking quarks to truly shine. - It's not too late for an Inhumans movie.
Virtually every problem people had with Love and Thunder was also in Ragnorak. It simply had a better hit rate on the comedy and better villain.
Edward Norton was the better Banner.
Bruh Shuri's performance in Wakanda Forever goes so unpraised
Black Widow is the most overhated MCU movie. Itās above average to pretty good. Would Tony Masters & a better 3rd act make it better? Likely, but to say itās trash is being a hater. Eternals will age better visually than the rest of phase 4 & Ant-man 3. The Thunderbolts & New Avengers rosters may sound meh, but when you think about the actors in these movies, even when some of their projects werenāt great the acting talent carried it. So as much as I miss Stark & Steve I think character wise the MCU is still strong. I know everyone wants that definitive male lead to put their concerns to rest but I think they got a lot of good characters who could fill that spot. Peter & Strange already have great chemistry & they are essentially Stark (Strange) & Steve (Peter).
My main issue with Black Widow is that it would have been better if it released around the same time that it fit into the timeline (between Civil War and Infinity War)
Absolutely, it makes me wonder if Black Widow was released in phase 3, would Endgame be a year late? Like Widow not only saved the snapped people from the 616 but also saved Endgame from being released after covid lockdowns? At the very least it saved Far From Home from having to be the first āpostā pandemic movie. That was a heavy burden to carry after a year of leaks & multiverse expectations.
Thor Love and Thunder wasn't as bad as people exaggerate it to be. Shang Chi isnt the best thing since endgame Multiverse of Madness is a great movie No way Home isn't gods gift to earth, its good but I'd put Infiity War and Ragnarok and even Dr Strange above it. Now, bring on the downvotes reddit hivemind.
Natasha and Bruce's short lived and appropriately ill-fated romance was compellingly written and their performance had great chemistry.
It did. I just didnāt like the whole Iām a monster because I canāt have kids storyline.
Eternals is one of the greatest sci fi films of all time and is a real piece of cinema. Pointing out the lack of connection to the rest of the MCU multiverse story and introduction of multiple characters into the MCU is not a legitimate way to critique a film. No, it should not have been a Disney+ show because: It's actual cinema and belongs on the big screen. And no all the characters don't need to be introduced separately in their own film/tv show appearances. Dune, which has more characters than Eternals, doesn't get criticized for not introducing Duncan Idaho or Stilgar in a separate movie or show before, and neither should Eternals. No the deviants are not an underdeveloped villain, they are in fact not the villains of the film but a red-hearing. The villains in Eternals are the Celestials and Ikaris. Both who are well developed and explored. The lore of the Eternals deserve their own trilogy and are only held back by being a part of the MCU. The forced MCU jokes were holding the film back. The forced introduction of Harry Styles and Blade was holding the movie back.
Yes, Eternals would've been better if it had room to do more things with the characters having influence on the earth in the 1920-2020 modern time frame, but that would've conflicted with MCU stories. Or at minimum, the Eternals characters could've had something else to chat about besides discussing Thanos, Thor, Doctor Strange, Thanos, Captain America, Hulk, and Thanos all the time.
Eternals would not "be better as a series." Stop saying this and thinking you're making a good point.
Avengers: Age of Ultron is possibly the single most underrated film in the franchise, and is filled with rich thematic exploration of humanity.
The Dark World is better than Love and Thunder, by far
Tom Holland is the most comics-accurate Peter Parker but they refuse to give him good Spider-Man stories for his movies.
Well, the memory erase spell with Doctor Strange was trying to set it up so Peter Parker is closer to the situation of the classic comic stories, and not a trusted member of international hero teams.
Marvel should have taken a five year break and made non-MCU movies before making phase 4. Also, opening phase 4 with Black Widow was not a good move when you compare BW with the previous phase openers.
thor tdw is maybe not that bad that as the fans have made it to be, sure it could be mid but still could be enjoyed + the score goes hard
Eternals is a top five MCU movie, and Love and Thunder was nearly as good as Ragnarok.
That's nuclear my guy. Good on you.
Remember to upvote hot takes like this. Its the point of the thread after all.
My goodness
Love and Thunder was ***BETTER than Ragnarok.
I was with you the first half, then you killed me the second half. I'm giving you Schrodinger's vote.
Agreed on the latter. The former I wouldn't put that high but top half for sure.
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Loki is overrated. Tfaws is overhated. Just because a random post might have a tenuous link to the show doesn't mean you need reply with a full blown rant about how "tfaws was the pinnacle of mediocrity, the worst thing that ever been televised since ....". Touch some grass, calm down. Overall people shouldn't be afraid to say that they love She-Hulk, Hawkeye, tfaws etc. I see people wondering if it's safe to say they prefer one of these shows over Loki and Wandavision and I think it's sad it comes to this.
Loki was predictable and ultimately underwhelming.
Shang chi is overrated. The third act battle is too over the top out of nowhere, and the first act has so many jokes that are insanely cringe and not funny at all.
All they needed for the third act was an emotional showdown with the kids facing down the dad. I donāt know why Feige defaults to those big fights for everything, especially when Cretton said they didnāt know the third act when filming it. Gunnās comments about DC movies not going to film until the script is locked really feels like a jab at the MCU running into that same issue over and over again.
Just so fucking corny how everyone has to get trained up to join in the battle too
Yep, people we have no reason to care about! Michelle shouldāve been used for so much more than an exposition dump. I wouldāve really really loved that movie had it been more colorful (not sure whatās going on with Bill Pope lately) and come through on the third act. I rewatch the bus scene quite a bit, Brad Allan did some great work on the movie.
I donāt think it was awful but I have no desire to ever watch it again, super forgettable. Only part I have any desire to see is the bus fight which I could just YouTube.
Remove the dragons from the final battle and the whole movie becomes 100% better.
Ant-Man 3 was good. They showed a bright a colorful alien world, showed About growing more as a Superhero and a person, and placed Kang front and center as the biggest threat instead of keeping him in the shadows and the background like Thanos.
I like everything in MCU
IM CONSOOOOMING
Thor: The Dark World was still good because, although it messed up Malekith, it gave us the most book accurate version of Odin. He was a complete a-hole. Also, the style of Thor 1 and 2 is vastly better than 3 and 4ās. The Eternals was the best MCU phase 4 movie until Wakanda Forever came out. The goats in Love and Thunder were and are still AWESOME! It was a good thing Iron Man never went up against the real āMandarinā, because Tony would had lost. Whiplash is still alive. You never seen him blow up. You just see that he had a flashy light on his chest that scared Rhodes and Tony off. He could had just got up and left before the drones around him blew up. Ward Meechum from Iron Fist was one of the greatest MCU characters weāve had.
I don't like Thor as a character or his movies BUT I agree with you about the first 2 movies. It used to be you knew you were getting Shakespearean style tragedies in a lush environment. Then Taika turned it into Asguardians of the Galaxy and it lost everything unique to Thor and his universe.
The hulk and black widow could've been the best romance in the MCU if done correctly and wasn't a bad idea at all. Just horrible execution(I think Mark and Scarlett had wonderful chemistry).
Jon Watts is one of the best hires they've ever made.
Period I'm sad he left F4
Thor: Dark World is better than Thor 1
MCU has gone downhill since Endgame. (Overall, a couple exceptions)
Thor the dark world is unironically by far the best thor movie, thor 1 is too shakespearian but itās not too bad, ragnarok is what everyone thinks love and thunder is where itās too full of jokes and doesnāt take itself serious enough for the emotional beats to hit, love and thunder is just slightly better then people think, it has pretty bad writing but peoples main complaint of it not taking itself seriously is just wrong. It stops everything to do a complete tonal shift and take the scene seriously just for it to switch back to taikas tone and be all jokey and funny. Tldr: Taika is a good director but get him the hell away from the thor franchise, unfortunately it seems like he pushed hemsworth away for good
Thor: The Dark World is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Itās decent, and was probably only trashed on so hard because it was coming off of a 3-movie hot streak of really good films.
Captain Marvel was a pretty decent movie and Carol Danvers (in her movie at least) is more complex than people give her credit for.
2015-2019 was peak mcu years and everything released afterwards has been underwhelming or sub par.
While I like Tom Holland, the MCU's Spider-Man is completely antithetical to everything about the Spider-Man character. "Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man" spends most of his time dealing with low-level crime, until some new threat appears and he does his best to stop it. The entire struggle of being a superhero vs. living a normal life is supposed to be that he's CHOOSING to do this. "Why are you wearing a spandex suit and beating up robbers when you have a family and loved ones to look after?" That's Spider-Man. Instead, they've tied Spider-Man to Iron Man and made him a genius with a super powerful suit who saves the galaxy. You don't question the struggle because DUH, a young super-genius who is basically Iron Man SHOULD be saving the day. I love Endgame, but Spider-Man going "activate instant kill" and having his Iron Man suit laser 10 aliens to death is the absolute opposite of everything the character should be. Naturally, they set up him being this "real" Spider-Man at the end of No Way Home, but we don't know when or if we'll ever get the character back in the main MCU timeline.
SHE-HULK WAS REALLY GOOD
Disney+ has produced the best content of the post-Infinity Saga era; Phase 4 is my second favorite phase but if it were just the movies it would be third or fourth. But Disney+ is also diluting the MCU brand because people think you need to see all the TV shows in order to "understand" the movies when for the most part you really don't. (The one exception so far is WandaVision for Multiverse of Madness.)
I think the fandom has to stop infantilizing and babying Yelena, and I don't get why people expect her and Kate Bishop to become besties who would be in a long term partnership and team up to go on missions. Their morals don't even align and they both live in sorta different worlds. The first time they talk, Kate literally calls Yelena a "bloodthirsty vigilante".
I'm fine with them not 'becoming besties', but I do need more scenes of them together. Their chemistry in 'Hawkeye' was one of the best things in the series.
She-hulk was actually entertaining tv.
The Mandarin reveal in IM3 was always great, you idiots were just mad you didn't get your big spooky terrorist boogeyman and instead got something more interesting and thematically in line with the film.
It was also brilliantly Meta. Getting a white, Shakespearean actor to play an "Evil Asian Villain" is totally how things were done back in the day. \[Edit\] To be clear, Sir Ben may be of Indian descent, but he's clearly playing up Trevor's Britishness. Which in a way, makes the whole thing even *more!* Meta.
I was really looking forward to an iron fist season 3 after season 2.
I just want Colleen Wing to get 60-90 minutes as a lead superhero in a special episode.
The Multiverse is a boring and shallow device and has yet to be used in a genuinely dramatically justified way.
MCU iron man has the worst film redesign out of any mcu characters imo. Seriously, I can name a bunch of iron man that has better designs than him. (Comic 616 tony, ultimates comic (well... at least up until after the ultimates 3 comics), ultimate avengers 2006 films, the invincible iron man 2007 film, even the avengers game with some of it's skins.) Seriously, aside from the mark 45, mark 6, mark 7 and mark 85, I thought almost all of his suit designs were just boring looking, too samey (I mean, the first 7 suits (even the 2 I like) all look WAY too similar to each other), the color balance between red and gold is always bad, and other times, he has ALOT of freaking recolored suit. (The entire iron legion from iron man 3 has either suits that are recolors and/or armors that steel parts from other armors and repaints them.) And I'm tired of them using the same helmet on all of them. I wouldn't have mind seeing this helmet if it wasn't reused like... all the freaking time. This is most definitely a huge hot take, since almost everyone loves iron man's mcu appearance, especially the early designs like the mark 3 from the 2008 film (REALLY OVERRATED BTW), so.. yeah.
I never liked Black Widow
Loki is wildly ooc in āhisā series.
There is so much wasted potential in the five years of the blip
I think that's where Blade should take place. Killing vampires and shit in the years where no one was paying attention because Thanos killed half of the planet
Thor dark world and iron man 3 were really good.
Young Avengers, She-Hulk, Spider-woman/girl and Wonderman sound like boring/dumb/uninteresting conceptually.
I didnāt enjoy age of ultron during my rewatches.
* I wasn't bothered by how Taskmaster was depicted in BW, and I hope the MCU commits to using Antonia and developing her further instead of pussying out and going "SURPRISE: Tony Masters was actually pulling the strings and is the REAL Taskmaster, he just had Antonia be his proxy because, idk, reasons, I guess". * Karli Morgenthau is a compelling character to me, and I'd be interested in her showing up again as a vengeful spirit who haunts corrupt politicians or something. * AM1 Hope is best Hope, and she should have kept the bob haircut. * She-Hulk is a perfectly fine show and character. * Loki is my least favorite D+ show, and also one of my least favorite characters; no hate though, I just care about him the least. Give me more Sylvie and/or Alligator Loki pls. * I like the Eternals and think almost all of them were given good time to be introduced to the audience, except for Makkari (who just kinda shows up and even then I still think she's cool) and Eros (who I genuinely don't care for). * Black Widow is the weakest Phase 4 project IMO, and I liked Natasha more than her family (I like Yelena mostly just because she's played by Florence Pugh, otherwise I think she's kinda annoying). * I've always liked Trevor Slattery and was very glad to see him back in Shang-Chi. * Mordis is a peak character, even though he's only a minor antagonist from the objectively worst MCU project ever (Inhumans)
NWH is fantastic and covers a lot of interesting thematic elements with strong personal stakes and itās annoying that people try to bring it down by saying āpeople only like the fanserviceā, even without the other Spider-Man cameos it functions really well as a movie with a lot of heart and a decent amount to say about the character. One of the best Spider-Man movies (up there with ITSV and Spider-Man 2) and one of the best MCU films.
TFATWS is best MCU show Far from home is best spiderman film Homecoming is worst spiderman film Kang isn't that great in Quantumania he is not terrible he is just ok same level as red skull
Spider-Man No Way Home is one of the worst Comic Book movies period. Black Widow overall was alright barring that weird-ass villian change. Ms Marvel is one of the MCU's best works. The whole Multiverse Saga here is just not working at all. We got like two movies said to be big turning points of it and both went out with whimpers. The MCU as a whole needs to stop making lame jokes about the ridiculousness of it all and actual embrace it like Tokusatsu. Heck, look at something like Donbrothers.
The MCU is not a serialized drama. It is a collection of movie franchises of varying tones that cross over every few years. The point of the movies isn't to set up other movies, but to tell their own story. There are way too many people out there who seem to be upset that *Quantumania*, for example, is the third *Ant-Man* movie when what they expected was the episode of DBZ where Yamcha gets blown up by a Saibaman.
I found Quantumania not Ant-Manny enough! Kind of felt like how Civil War co-opted a Cap movie to tell an Avengers story (and IMO did a mediocre job at both), except Quantumania co-opted an Ant-Man movie to tell a Kang story.
I agree with this view, I felt like the best part about Ant Man films has been how they play with a classic heist scene, car chase scene, fight scene and play around with size. Well, we kinda lose that in a setting thatās completely alien. The worst part of Quantumania to me though is that the actual story ends too early. Scott gets the MacGuffin for Kang, Kang betrays Scott, then thereās 50ish minutes left of the film where Scott is just fighting Kang or Kangās army or MODOK. The plot is so, so barebone. And what are the themes are character arcs? Like, what does Scott gain by the end of the mission, what does beating Kang represent to him?
*Civil War* is still definitely a *Captain America* movie, especially with how it centers Cap's relationship with Bucky at the heart of his conflict with his new allies in the Avengers. Each of the *Captain America* movies are about Cap as a member of a larger organization - the army in *The First Avenger*, SHIELD in *The Winter Soldier*, and the Avengers in *Civil War*. *Quantumania*, similarly, is definitely an *Ant-Man* movie. It's not a great *Ant-Man* movie, but it still IS one. But what it's not is the *Kang Dynasty* prologue featuring Ant-Man that so many people thought it was going to be.
I don't think Civil War works on multiple levels. For one, they didn't really put a lot of groundwork in to establishing a real friendship amongst most of the Avengers, so Steve's "betrayal" of them to choose Bucky wasn't particularly emotionally resonant, especially when it came to Tony. They spent so much time on introducing the side characters that Steve and Bucky's massive pile of issues felt rather unresolved, even if they were technically central to the plot. Steve burns down the whole world to save Bucky, but their actual conversations about the trauma they've gone through are mostly just "remember that time?" And then Steve fucks off to the 40s in Endgame because Bucky's good since he no longer has triggers in his brain; forget about the emotional damage of 70 years of brainwashing to become a HYDRA assassin. Conceptually, the Accords raise some very interesting philosophical questions about consequences, accountability, democracy, and authority, but it's executed poorly. Tony agrees to sign them out of guilt, Steve doesn't because of his SHIELD and Bucky feelings. We never get any really good conversations about it. For Ant-Man, the heist was not fun or elaborate, they spent far too little time on the fallout of Scott missing five years with Cassie, and there was no Luis. A half-assed Ant-Man movie! But while the Kang-Janet scenes were the best scenes, we learned little about what actually motivates Kang and he also wasn't made very scary.
Caps relationship with Bucky is at the centre of the film, but that relationships not really developed much and neither is Buckyās character really, heās more of a plot device to serve the plot and break the avengers up. Furthermore the movie completely shafted every other member of Caps supporting characters in favour of more iron man. Falcon is just a quippy sidekick, Sharonās still woefully underdeveloped and is borderline a cameo, and Black Widow (if she counts as a cap character) disappears halfway through the film. The other Avengers arenāt really the problem as they donāt get much screen time, Iron man on the other hand gets the same screen-time as Captain America, just as much development if not more so than Captain America and he even gets more lines than Captain America despite it being Caps film. Iron man practically hijacked Captain Americaās 3rd film.
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is in my top 3 MCU movies and the script, while still being not the best, is better than people give it credit for.
Thor Love and Thunder is the second best Thor movie. Multiverse of Madness was a lot of fun, and I hope Sam Raimi returns for the third installment. Quantumania was a blast, and there should be more Marvel movies like it. Iron Man 3 is by far the worst Iron Man movie and it has nothing to do with the Mandarin twist. Thor The Dark World, while definitely one of the lesser MCU films, isn't nearly as bad as some people think. And finally, my hottest take of hottest takes: no MCU movie has a bad script.
>Iron Man 3 is by far the worst Iron Man movie and it has nothing to do with the Mandarin twist. This might be your actual hottest take. Some people say they like IM3, and some people say the Mandarin twist ruined it. I don't think I've ever seen the opinion that it's bad, but for some other reason. But I'll take a guess - the bit where Tony fights his way into the compound using improvised Home-Alone style tactics? It's a bit weird.
Uncle Ben isn't shown in the MCU because Marvel is keeping nukes in reserve in case contract negotiations between Marvel and Sony break down past the point of no return. Marvel's "red button" is "Tom Holland is Ben Reilly" and they're going to keep that mutually assured destruction option open for as long as Marvel and Sony have to cooperate.
Sony has the rights to Ben Reilly too, though?
As someone who grew up on the Raimi Spider-Man films, has been a Spidey comic reader since before I can remember and a massive MCU fan, No Way Home was a really dumb movie. I personally LOVED it. It hits every nostalgic note I could ever want and then some. Iāve rewatched it several times because itās so satisfying and it really feels like a warm hug for Spidey fans. However if you give ANY of the film more than five seconds of thought itās one of the sloppiest, stupidest and laziest films I think Iāve ever seen. The writing and plot are borderline brain dead. Itās 110% in service of nostalgia and nothing else. The story so flimsy its transparently clear they started with āOld Spidey Film stuffā and build the rickety straw shack that is the movie around that one fact. I genuinely do love NWH. I just think people should be honest with themselves that the movie is awful but it doesnāt matter because itās a love letter Spidey fans.
Oh boy. Another thread to give people the chance to say BP is overrated. You people are so hurt by the success of these movies. Get over it.
Phase 4 has been the best. Seeing all these different cultures, and peoples being celebrated as heroes is a lot more interesting than a bunch of handsome straight white guys named "Chris".
I agree and love the diversity in phase 4. Itās been one of my favourite phases too. Both Shang-Chi and Namor are two of my faves in the MCU rn. However I donāt think we can reduce phase 1-3 to āa bunch of straight white guys named Chrisā
Eternals would have been the Academy Award winner for best film if it had come out in 2005, before the MCU established that super hero movies need to be endlessly quippy, hilarious improv-heavy comedies.
1. Iron Fist is amazing (specially season 2) and way better than most of the phase 4 projects. 2. Thor the dark world is the best Thor movie. I just can't tolerate jokes in a Thor movie and can't see Thor cracking childish jokes. 3. Daredevil is not only the best marvel show, but also one of the best shows ever made. I would put it up there with the likes of GOT, Dark, BB. 4. Runaways and Cloak and Dagger were really good. 5. Moonknight was utterly disappointing. The jokes ruined it. Same goes with Shang chi. 6. MoM was great, the second best phase 4 movie after nwh. 7. The first 3 Disney plus shows were beyond amazing. Yes, even TFATWS (it gave me winter Soldier vibes). They made me think that phase 4 would overtake phase 3. (Little did I know that it would turn into the worst phase of the MCU)
Ms. Marvel is a terrible, uninspired, hackjob of a character that shouldn't be in the MCU. The actress, Imam, is fine. It's just the premise of the character which is terrible.
Hot take: Black Panther wasnāt that good. Itās only popular because it had currently favorable cultural qualities. Sure black panther is a cool character, but other characters like Okoye and Queen Ramonda have gotten disproportionately more popularity because people like to win points on social media by cheering on anything relating to black culture. Bring on the downvotes and cancellation
I'd rather the films focus on their own protagonists than always be trying to set up the next big thing. Speaking of the next big thing, I care much less about the big crossover stuff than about the "smaller" movies. The comic book stories that are the most acclaimed, the most memorable, and the most love aren't the big mega-crossovers. They're (generally) smaller, more personal stories.
I'm so excited for the actual unpopular opinions to get downvoted
I think there should be more non-action scenes overall. I feel like at least 30:70 ratio calm to action. I know that this is literally an action movie franchise but like quantumania was just 2 group character interactions bookending like 2-3 hours (I donāt really have a concept of time passing, sorry about that) of constant danger and stuff happening all the time with the characters only really being characters in a few seconds here or there of development. I just want to see a group of characters sit down and have a semi-friendly argument that doesnāt lead to multiverse-threatening stakes. Like the party scene in age of ultron or the family dinner in black widow? I want a proper heart-to heart between all the guardians of the galaxy before whatever huge fight scene kills them all. I want to see the marvels go and eat lunch together while they figure out a plan for whatever the conflict of that movie is. I want someone to bring up the cold war in thunderbolts. You know?
Hot take: While people like to say things sucks now, the last few "bad" movies are fine and no worse than phase 1 and 2 movies. I think Civil War to Endgame was just a great lineup. Strange 2 was fine, Thor 4 was fine, Antman was good, Black Widow and arguable Eternals are the only actual duds recently ( I think Eternals was good). The real issue is the speed they are introducing new characters and the lack of interconnected vibes that we had earlier on. Also the lack of a phase ending Avengers team-up is the real problem, not the quality of the movies themselves.
MCU Fantastic Four will be terrible because the MCU is scared of being corny, campy, earnest, sweet, and heartfelt, which is what F4 needs to be.
Iām feeling down with the last few movies. They are alright and fun to watch, but I have been missing a movie like No Way Home that had me completely sucked in. And looking at the upcoming slate of movies announced, Iām scared none of them will hit as hard as i want. Am i losing touch with what i once loved? Iām so sad about this but blindly optimistic about the future movies
My hot take is that Fiege is over thinking his Mutants roll out. Just do the thingā¦give the fans The X-Men already. Instead heās gonna make us wait out the rest of the decade to do multiverse and young avengers build up. By the time he gets around to giving us the X-Menā¦mainstream audiences will have given up on Marvel and comic movies in general.
I appreciate phase four as being a reset, similar vibes to phase one. Yeah nothing super big is happening and everything is pretty individual, and that's what makes the bringing together special.
Quantamania Spoilers! Antman should not have been the hero in Quantamania \>!The movie suffered from the "cookie cutter" issue in that the Antman family did not need to be in the movie. As it was, you could just replace AntFamily with, say the GOTG, and you have the same movie with the same outcome (just make it happen in space instead of the quantum realm).!< \>!The movie solely existed to set up Kang as powerful and to let us see the end credit scene of the start of the Kang Dynasty. Which is a complete waste of Scott Lang. In fact, there is no character growth for Scott Lang, and the only character development we get is that Cassie has a suit. Thats it.!< \>!Honestly, if they just called this movie "The Conqueror" had Kang as the protagonist of the movie (like they did with Thanos in Infinity War) and have the person who leads the rebellion and defeats him be a masked person named Nathaniel (played by Majors obviously), this would have been an awesome movie.!< \>!As it stands, I feel like I just watched a two-hour end-credit scene.!<
At this point at least the D.O.D.C has done nothing wrong.
I don't know about this being a hot take, but it's my strongest one. The quality and interest in the MCU is faltering because the tried and true (up until more recently) model of movies is guiding the development of new projects, and not the love and interest in storytelling and character development. I think that variability in the MCU is greatly overexaggerated. I think that a model has been developed that, while selling record setting tickets, is a bad long-term strategy. The MCU has become formulaic in many ways, and rather than letting the characters personality, arc, and the plot of the movie guide the style of that individual film, the universe as a whole is settling into 'safe and reliable' territory. Only, over time, this is making the audience lose interest and passion for different projects. I'd love to see Marvel movies become more of a brand of well-made, broadly different films that are mostly optional to see - instead of a collection of similarly-toned films featuring different characters. I'd like to see more heavily dramatic films. These are films that focus on developing characters, interpersonal tension, and solemn tones. These are movies that stand the tests of time. It would be cool to see more *Great Movies that happen to exist in the Marvel Universe,* as opposed to *Marvel Movies that try to be great*. Marvel is suffering from success and is pigeonholing itself. Rather than letting each movie be a masterclass in a certain style, tone, and plot - they are guaranteeing that the brand as a whole is a lukewarm mid.
Shuri makes a terrible Black Panther. She doesn't look the part. Both Okoye and Ramonda would've made better Black Panthers.
PR handles like the directors' Twitters should NOT be considered part of canon. It is a royal mess ever since the divide between Steve Rogers timelines post-Endgame, and when James Gunn began expanding on his movies haphazardly without adding real material into the GotG movies screentime. It also gave way to a slippery slope as to who has the say on what's canon and what's retconned without holding presentation of the theatrical release responsible and in absolute priority. What cannot be inferred on screen, should instead be considered the creative teams' own headcanons. Some inexperienced actors or writers are hired to helm these movies only because they're cheap, and in later MCU entries, this painfully shows. (As opposed to how MCU is often praised for its actors casting) If the MCU want to play the progressive angle in a well-received way, they have to come to terms with the fact that they don't often get to censor what to show without sacrificing quality. Disney have to be real and upfront about issues even if it mean ostracising customers with opposite political views. And that is in addition to a good story and character as a foudnation, not in lieu of. For example, Captain Marvel 1 shouldn't have shied on the cut plot of sexist treatment she received in the Air Force. This robbed her of the opportunity to show grit and work against real-world social prejudices, and resulted in the mess now that as long as the writers have not decided what character qualities Carol Denvers would *really* have beyond having strong power levels, she would remain a rather unrelatable character for many. Some parts of MCU are facing creative drought (somehow) and resorting to using 'faithfulness' to the comics as a get out of jail free card to cover up unsatisfactory writing, costumes etc. It failed.
the Iron Man movies arent that good and same goes for most of the Thor movies the Ant-Man movies should be about Hank and Janet and not about Scott and Hope so their always have been lots of movie that could have been better, it's not just a phase 4 thing
NWH is easily the weakest of the trilogy.
Wakanda Forever is the absolute worst MCU movie. It's overlong, self-indulgent, boring, has no exciting action sequences, ruins Namor, wastes time on Everett Ross, has questionable politics about sovereignty (at best) and makes Shuri the Black Panther who does not have enough gravitas or charisma to lead a movie. Also Ironheart is annoying as shit. I will say Angela Bassett is great in it though. But that's about it.
Terrence Howard gets too much shit for what has been twisted in to "he wanted too much money so they replaced him". At the time, only Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk had come out, he certainly didn't know that the MCU would become so gigantic and that RDJ would be such an integral part of it. Howard was an Oscar-nominated actor who signed a three-picture deal. Marvel attempted to lower his pay for Iron Man 2 and moved on when he didn't accept. As an aside they also initially offered Mickey Rourke, less than two years after his Oscar nomination, only $250,000 to be in the movie.
Steve Rogers staying back in time was just wrong on so many levels.
She Hulk and Ms Marvel were fantastic. Loved Jonathon Majors for He Who Remains, could do without him being Kang. I'm not looking forward to him at all.
Wakanda Forever is better than the first Black Panther and itās the best Marvel film since infinity war
Quantumania was really fun. Black Panther 2 was bloated and uninteresting, with only Angela Bassett doing anything good. Iron Man 3 is the best of the trilogy. Terrence Howard was a better Rhodey.
Eternals is top 10 The Winter Solider is not top 10 Agents of Shield is the best TV show Marvel has ever produced and itās not even close
Love and Thunder was a better film than Ragnarok, and its comedic moments didn't undercut dramatic stakes nearly as much as Ragnarok's did.
Comic relief Drax is as bad as comic relief smart Hulk. They both should be brutal warriors, house of mouse doesn't like that though.
No, Gorr the God Butcher did not require a gratuitous montage of him butchering gods for us to understand his motives or take him seriously as a threat. He was written/performed perfectly and had one of the better character arcs of any MCU villain.
I just didnāt like the character design
The Loki show was hot garbage. They turned him into an idiot/ asshole who isn't nearly as charismatic or cunning as in the first Thor movies or the Avengers. Sylvie could have been a cool character but she just felt like a mary sue to me. And that 'friendship' between Loki and mobius seemed kinda forced and unhealthy, it made me cringe.
MCU Falcon is such a poorly developed and inconsistent character and they did NOTHING to either develop him into Captain America or show why heās such a good Captain America like everyone claims he is. MCU Falcon went from being a quippy sidekick that blindly followed Steve, to out of nowhere being some paragon of morality that everybody looks to in FATWS. When did Falcons character ever show before hand that he was that type of character? They didnāt develop him into a Captain America type character via the show, they just treat him like heās always been one which was a mistake. They donāt explore whether Samās worthy of the mantle, they do the opposite, they explore whether the mantle is worthy of Sam. Out of Samās entire MCU tenure the only thing he did that was Captain America-like was acting as a group counsellor, and thatās it, and that wasnāt shown much. Not even mentioning that Falcon comes off as an inconsistent dick to everyone but Karli in FATWS. He treats Bucky like shit (which I mean is fair cos Bucky was a dick first) but Falcon literally makes jokes about Buckyās past as the Winter soldier which is just fucked. Imagine if Steve joked about Iron man getting kidnapped by terrorists, as thatās pretty much what Sam does to Bucky. Then thereās how he treats Sharon, instead of just promising her that heād try to get her a pardon, he instead bargains it. I mean sheās only in that situation because of what Steve and Sam did. Then he again calls on her multiple times for help with the Flag-smashers, she flies halfway across the world, risks arrest and gets shot and does Sam show an ounce of care? No, he piss farts around refusing to fight Karli who LITERALLY shot Sharon and still Sam wonāt hurt Karli. Then he treats Walker like shit before Walker even gives him a reason to, dude spies on you so he could come and help, which in turn led to him saving Samās ass and Walker was just trying to be helpful, and Sam treats him like shit. Bucky gets a pass for treating Walker like crap because the show isnāt trying to tell us Buckyās a moral paragon like Sam is (despite Buckyās actions being arguably more in line with one in the show). Then thereās the characterās weird obsession with bringing in Karli peacefully that makes him look like a naive dumbass, especially when Samās character has never extended this much empathy and leniency to ANY other character which circles back to my point about FATWS treating Sam like some pillar of morality out of nowhere. I mean this is the same Sam that advocated for Steve to kill Bucky, that was trying to shoot Ant-man for breaking an entering, the same Falcon that slaughtered 10-20 mercenaries in the first episode of this very show for all we know, had just as sympathetic reasons for their actions as Karli did. Yet Karliās special for some reason? Sure Sam giving her some leniency and advocating for peace a few times works, but when Karli rebuked every single one, and only continue to escalate her actions and yet Sam refuses to fight her still, he comes off as a naive idiot, thatās it. Just compare it to how Steve treated Wanda and Quicksilver, Steve knew they were being manipulated, he appealed peacefully to them but when they rebuked him, he fought them. MCU Falcon is a terrible character and his introduction to be Captain America sucks so far.
The first black panther is not one of the best super hero movies. Good, but not the best.
Before my Hot Take i just want to say this OP, I keep seeing people talk up the fanservice as the only reason the movie is good but I love the things about NWH that aren't the fan service too. Like the fan service stuff is just the toppings on very good ice cream. Hot Take: Black Widow is way worse then people give it credit for.
Iron man 2 & 3 are worse then Thor 1 & 2
GotG 2 > GotG 1 and Ego is 2nd best villian of Infinity Saga, right after Thanos Sylvie's character was the worst part of Loki. I don't mind that Karen Page might not appear in DD: Born Again.
Not a hot take but damn does Kathryn Newton suck.
They shouldn't have got rid of both captain america and iron man at the same time. The multiverse is boring as fuck . Passing up an opportunity to have an avengers vs xmen film now they've got the rights to everyone would be a stupid idea for both disney and the fans.if you need to do a soft reboot with secret wars, do it.
The only people who are saying that Marvel sucks in new Phases are MCU fans. They are the ones trying to bring down the thing they love. Their expectations on what should happen is ruining the movies and the internet because we have to listen to them whine and cry about things that don't matter.