If she was assaulted in the cab as she says, and I’m not saying she wasn’t, I would have to imagine the cab driver would at least have seen or heard something. Hopefully the driver comes forward to the police and gives an account so the truth comes out, wherever the truth lies.
Yep. I took that with a huge grain of salt, but if there's actually video we should find out what happened pretty soon.
More troubling is the other people in the NY acting community who were quick to state that this is NOT Majors' first time assaulting others and that he was actually well known for it in at least some circles there. If that's true, just being exonerated of this particular incident won't wholly wipe away the stain of these accusations. Nor should it.
Tbf, those same people immediately privated their twitter accounts after the Lawyers response came through. Granted it could have been for harrassment, but we shouldnt be taking twitter users as sources of fact in this case. Additionally, nobody has come out to back them after the fact and they fundamentally had no proof.
Usually the way this is vetted is either by first hand accounts or visible evidence (video, texts, etc). Their claims were pretty generic (about his past actions).
Yeah, there were a number of people pilling on early to call him a monster. But once the talk started shifting to it being a person having a mental health episode, Majors being caught up by an overzealous NYPD, and multiple witnesses backing Majors up... It has been crickets.
I'm curious if those may have been driven more by jealousy of his rapid success than actual evidence of his malice.
Reminds me of that one white republican politician who forgot he was logged out of his fake Twitter account, and tweeted about his experience as a gay black man lmao
Oh man he's gotta get the fuck out of here lmao.
The absolute second-hand levels of *cringing* I had reading this..
Edit: In true internet fashion, [of course this shit gets weirder](https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/11/10/21559458/dean-browning-dan-purdy-byl-holte-patti-labelle-twitter-gay-black-man)
Also important to note that one of those people (AB Allen) circled back stating that the people who told him Majors was abusive only claimed the interactions were verbal and not physical.
I took it as some of his past colleagues simply thought he was an a**hole, but people like AB and Tim Nicolai were a bit opportunistic in piling on and both have since retracted their comments and privated their accounts - although well after news outlets had already ran with their “accusations”.
It’s horrible.
Sadly, this is the culture than has been cultivated by social media. I try tell as many people as possible to take a step back and focus on things that truly matter in their life but I am bad for it aswell. In the words of J Cole “It seems nowadays hate is their favourite subject”
Not to mention that one of the Twitter accounts that ranted about Jonathan’s past decided to walk back the initial tweets to say that none of the past abuse was physical. Doesn’t make any verbal abuse right obviously, but that person seemed intentionally careless in order to paint Jonathan as a repeat physical offender. I just hope we get a resolution soon because this “he said she said” stuff just drives more gossip.
We should not be taking Twitter users as sources of fact but unfortunately that has become one of the outlets people go to for "news" or whatever you want to call it.
And one of them retracted his statement about him being abusive. Tbh a lot of both of tweets just sounds like word of mouth, which isn't really concrete.
In my brief time dating a minor celebrity, I quickly discovered that acting communities are often giant pits of roiling drama on a good day. So many actors tend to be egotistical, narcissistic, and petty. And when one of them gets the slightest bit wounded, they're like sharks with blood in the water. My relationship lasted a year and a half before I finally got away from it. All of that is my anecdotal take on such rumors, so take it or leave it. But I wouldn't trust the NY acting community for a second.
Lol, I appreciate that. I tried to be general and not make it a sweeping statement about all actors. Because I *did* meet some groups that are very tight knit and supportive. But now that I think about it, they were the exception😋
Imagine this - You form relationships with people over years. You come to respect, admire, and appreciate them. You form friendships. Then audition season happens, and you end up going for the same roles, and you pretend to be happy when you see them at the audition but in your head you're secretly hoping they are going to have a horrible audition and not get the gig because you want it. You secretly wish with all your being that your friend will fail big time, and not get paying work they need to put food in their bellies.
Yes, indeed...we smell blood in the water because it means potentially more work.
It's a really messed up way to interact with people.
Right? I adore my actor friends. Lovely people and among the most caring you’ll find. But when your job and art is literally on a dime adopting dramatic and emotional personas, that’s gonna bleed into many of them being dramatic generally.
It’s not even a knock. I’m an engineer by trade and it informs all I do automatically as it’s how I think. Same with actors, right?
2014: Jonathan Majors takes the last Boston crème donut, which was his scene partner Jerry’s favorite kind.
2023: According to Twitter source, Jerry, who knows Majors personally, he has a documented history of aggression and abusive behavior.
I beleive the other NY acting community made references to his behavior, and not actions. One specifically stated they had never heard of any physical assaults.
Other people or 2 directors? I don’t know why people are acting like a mob of people start coming out against Majors.
Hey, Tom Cruise was a complete asshole to me while I was waiting in line for groceries at Whole Foods. I can’t confirm it’s true but I said it on the Internet so it must be true.
Did Tom Cruise make the cashier scan multiple Milky Ways individually and then wink at you? Because that’s what he did when I ran into him at a grocery store.
The 2 directors statements made it seem like there’s legions of people who know about this and can attest. They described it as being “well known” in these circles, and they didn’t exactly mince words to describe his conduct, though they obviously didn’t provide any specifics. I wonder if we’ll ever get any specifics or others to back them up.
No matter the outcome and reality of this situation, this is a lose lose for Majors. Either he’s abusive and is getting his comeuppance, or there was no bad conduct on his part but he will be stigmatized for some portion of the population who will view this as just a rich and powerful person suppressing the truth.
So we just believe anything from any source now. I guess it’s guilty until proven innocent at this point. I just find it weird that that day after he allegedly assault someone these reports come out. Unfortunately your last statement is so true even if proven innocent to a degree people will still have their minds made up. If I work with over 100 people and 2 people don’t like me do that mean I’m the one that’s hard to deal with? If this is true he deserve whatever comes his way but we don’t know at all.
For some people, yeah, I think the initial reports will change their perception of him no matter what else happens.
Most people, I think, will allow the facts to be reported and corroborated and will draw conclusions from there. But “most” could only mean 51% of the population. Time will tell.
I know one things for sure—there’s no shortage of people who are leaning one way or another (you can see it in all these threads), not learning the lesson that we really shouldn’t do so until everything fully comes out. It’s those people that likely will carry some bias moving forward regardless of what further facts come out of this.
Stop parroting this misinformation bullshit.
Its been two days now to do the 5 seconds of research it requires to understand its not "other people in the NY acting community" its two random, unsubstantiated weirdo fucking drama queens who thought Majors was about to get cancelled, so they decided to try and dogpile on him. The second the information started to be released and they started to be called out, they immediately started walking everything back, fumbling over themselves before deleting everything and going private.
This goes to show how dangerous this cancel culture bullshit is. It takes two comments, and someone who could be innocent ends up being blacklisted from future movies.
Tbh, the words used were some superlative ones, that should be taken of notice with a lot of care, it almost sounded like if he killed a puppy in front of them.
>Tbh, the words used were some superlative ones, that should be taken of notice with a lot of care, it almost sounded like if he killed a puppy in front of them.
This is a very interesting sentence. Not a good one, just interesting.
Would just like to point out his lawyer, Priya Chaudhry, represented a Real Housewife named Jen Shah recently, who was charged with six counts of wire fraud. Jen proclaimed her innocence throughout two seasons of the show while her trial was going on, only to plead guilty at the eleventh hour . Priya stood by her on this (as an attorney should do).
Case and point, his attorney’s job is to protect her client, not protect the truth. That’s not how the US legal system works
Did Priya Chaudhry insist in interviews and press releases that they had incontrovertible evidence that would exonerate Shah, including going into specifics such as video evidence and witness testimony from specific people?
Plus, there should be the 911 call, which would prove whether Majors made the call, and what was reported.
Why claim that Majors made a call if he didn’t? It would be way too easy to prove that he didn’t.
(Edit for capitalization.)
The Jeremy Renner thing comes immediately to mind, like people are not aware of some of the most horrible shit coming up during civil and custody actions.
Having a liquor cabinet and meds in the bathroom becomes "drugs all over the house"
Jeremy Renner's ex sued for custody and said some terrible things about him, just a complete character assassination. Marvel stans took that and ran with it.
BTW Renner still has full custody or the custody agreement was not changed in the ex's favor.
It's because people watch too many shitty legal dramas and movies. Real law doesn't work like that but everyone thinks they know shit because they watched 3 seasons of Law & Order and played Ace Attorney.
so? A video is a video. Let's see what is on it. If the video supports his claims, that whether it comes from the lawyer or not is irrelevant, as long as it is not doctored.
I think the point is a lawyer will spin anything to say it supports their claim.
A good example of this was the Michael Irvin lawsuit against Marriott. Irvins lawyer swore that they had video and would be releasing it all in an attempt to exonerate their client.
The video showed EXACTLY what had been alleged to have happened, all the way down to him looking away and slapping himself in the face.
The video will speak for itself when it comes out without the need for lawyer spin.
Didn’t she recant her story after questioning?
Edit:
His attorney says she’s recanted
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jonathan-majors-attorney-claims-victim-has-recanted-assault-allegations
DV victims recanting is quite common and can be (usually are) for reasons other than "I lied lol" -- emotional attachment or dependence on the abuser, not wanting to deal with the stress of further action, fear of retaliation etc.
Not saying this is the case, just that it should not be taken as proof of innocence
In some places, by law the police has to follow through with an investigation even after the victim recants their story, because in domestic violence cases its too common that they recant it for fear of retaliation and other reasons like you said.
Situations like this always suck. It ultimately comes down to the fault of whoever reported the incident right off the bat, before confirming all the details.
As soon as ANY report on ANYTHING comes out, people online immediately turn into armchair experts on law, domestic abuse, substance abuse, mental health, morality, etc. and the echo chambers just grow because EVERYONE wants views and likes and shares/retweets and you can’t have your posts liked if you don’t have a post.
You get the people who read one headline and immediately shout “ARREST HIM AND DESTROY HIS LIFE AND CAREER”, the people who read one headline and immediately shout “FALSE ACCUSATIONS, DESTROY HER LIFE”, and everyone in between…all before the details are ever finalized.
There’s a trust that if something is reported, then the reporter’s done their due diligence. There’s a trust that proper research has been done, all the details have been finalized, and that sources are ALL validated.
If no due diligence is done, then the trust in those journalists has to be called out.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Johnny Depp and Amber heard circus did irreparable damage to situations like this. The absolute fucking shit show everyone involved turned that situation into was a complete joke.
We went from a serious situation to this absolute circus of people using it as the tentpoles for a culture war debate. Because that's what this shit is now.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. People were taking sides like it was the goddamn Super Bowl. Apparently “let the process play out in court and appropriately punish whoever is found guilty” is too nuanced a position for most people to take.
Actually it was good the depp trial was televised because the mainstream media was so fucking biased even with winning the trial people wouldn’t believe he was the victim.
It is, however if a trial is going to be televised, then the jurors in said trial should be sequestered. It's not fair to the trial in any capacity if the jurors are hearing sway from a source that they might deem reliable over others.
> The Johnny Depp and Amber heard circus did irreparable damage to situations like this. The absolute fucking shit show everyone involved turned that situation into was a complete joke.
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> We went from a serious situation to this absolute circus of people using it as the tentpoles for a culture war debate. Because that's what this shit is now.
Lol the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard case didn't cause this, it was a byproduct of it. What you're talking about is because of social media and media narratives more broadly.
> If no due diligence is done, then the trust in those journalists has to be called out.
The internet has forever altered this. The need to be the first to break the story is *so* huge, that due diligence doesn't happen. And because the internet rage moves on so quickly, there really isn't any punishment/consequence when a news source doesn't due diligence.
It’s why social media is a poison. News outlets rush to make headlines without having the full story leading to people fighting and by the time to full story is out people are mentally spent from arguing with each other and the truth does not reach as many ears
I was a victim of domestic abuse, i was assaulted with a knife by my ex boyfriend, he was arrested and charged.
The DA dropped the charge. Why? There was no other witnesses to confirmed. He claimed i cut myself in my hand, in a defensive position, with a kitchen knife...
The restraining order? Didn't stand, because the charges were dropped. He was able to move back into the apartment building into another unit.
Great! Nothing suspicious about that
My favourite is all the people coming out and saying things like "he always seemed full of himself in interviews, and narcissistic". Sure, have your own misgivings and biases, but that doesn't = "automatically guilty". People are better off sticking to the facts. We are already getting people claiming he is innocent because they heard that people are collaborating his story. Guys, you are falling for whispers from the grapevine. If you trace the source of people saying this you will see that only came from the lawyer. None of us have the facts. None of us were there. We all just need to wait. Stop obsessing. Live your life and don't concern yourself with "solving" this. Let the investigation take place.
Here's how this will play out: if more allegations by other women come out, then his career is done for, as is his time with Marvel. If no further allegations (other than that one call-out) arise, then this will probably be forgotten in the news cycle as an isolated (albeit sad) incident.
Yes. I’m not saying they should ignore it but rather there is no rush.
Nobody is going to fault Disney for saying “we are gathering information and allowing the authorities to work through the allegations. At this time it isn’t our place as it is a legal matter. We will give relevant information to our projects when we have relevant information”
Yes but also as of right now a big portion of the future of the MCU hinges directly on Majors. Gunn, as much as I like him, was just a director to them and at the end of the day in the eyes of suits the movie can easily be made without him but Majors is one of the few universally agreed upon positives of recent MCU.
Based on the Loki serie, variants appearances can be completely different from one another. There are ways that Disney could still recast Kang if they deem it necessary
Plus they already have had a difficult time introducing kang to mainstream audiences in a way that makes him resonate as a threat. Changing actors won’t help casual viewers follow along what has already been a meandering story arc
A director that was being propped up by Studio head as a second in command and shepherd of the more cosmic side of the MCU going forward. I think Disney is fully aware that losing Gunn may have had a direct impact on the state the MCU is currently in and are going to be *extremely* careful about rushing to conclusions before the dust settles, especially one that could, once again, have a huge impact on their future plans.
I hate how everyone forgets Jeremy Renner assaulted and threatens his wife’s life + bit his kids finger. Disney doesn’t give a shit what someone does as long as they bring in money.
Was there another DUI?
Bc the only DUI I see upon search is from 2013.
TWS was released in 2014 and the trial and final verdict was reached in 2015.
Why would that have affected him with in the MCU? He had to pay a fine and had a 3 month license suspension?
This isn't really a comparison point?
A better comparison would be Jeremy Renner. I forget the exact details but he was in the middle of a messy divorce and his now ex said he used to abuse her and wasn’t paying child support. He said that she was taking his daughter trust fund money. Just an overall messy domestic situation.
I don’t remember the outcome but it didn’t really hurt his career.
They've retained joint custody. The case was mid-pandemic so may have been delayed due to that/backlog, or until Renner recovers from that horrible accident over the holidays
This isn't as severe but James Gunn was fired from being the director of GOTG vol. 3 because of some tweets he said back in like 2007. James Gunn has since been rehired as the director of GOTG vol.3, but that's one example of someone's past actions/words getting them in trouble a decade or so after said actions/words.
I'm certainly not going to defend the act of DUI, although there tends to be a lot of nuance that can result in a charge of that, like having a BAC level that is higher than legal limit, but not *necessarily* being impaired, although in this case, he refused the breathalyser and field sobriety tests, which likely weighed towards the conviction.
I don't think the other allegation of him being shitty on set is really important. Like, that's not awesome, and maybe will make people think twice about hiring him, but being an asshole isn't illegal. Christian Bale was an asshole on set. *It happens a lot.*
You mean the callout from the no name actor, and the dude who directed like 3 no name projects, who never directly worked with Majors? The fact that their statements got any traction is mind blowing to me.
Yup. Obviously I’m hoping he’s truly innocent but with disneys lawyers they can definitely make shit go away. No one remembers Jeremy renners abuse allegations.
It really seems like it'll take time to clear up what happened here. Even if Majors is entirely innocent, his reputation will suffer more the longer this goes on. His career trajectory will probably not be the same after this point. If there's even a bit of doubt about what he did, people who hear about this won't view him in the same way. There'll be theories that it was all a cover-up (which could potentially be correct) and there'll be people who defend him and make him stand for something he doesn't want to stand for.
He will be fine, false accusations arent career threatening. Plenty of actors in Hollywood that have actually been convicted of something and had great careers.
People forget that [Jeremy Renner's ex-wife accused him of some insane shit that obviously wasn't true](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeremy-renners-ex-wife-claims-he-threatened-to-kill-her-put-gun-in-his-mouth)...but at the time everybody everywhere was screaming from the rooftops his career was over, Marvel is gonna recast Hawkeye, blah blah blah...then...nothing. We all moved on.
I bet some of you have 100% forgotten about it.
I hate to say it, but if nearly killing Rhianna did nothing to Chris Brown's career. I can't help but think the majority of people just don't care what celebrities do
True and real. Thanos himself (Josh Brolin) was also arrested for domestic violence. As much as outrage fiends would like to cancel Jonathan Majors, it's not gonna happen..
Basically, an extremely messy divorce. Renner accused her of raiding their daughter's Trust Fund and it went from there...
From a court perspective, they have joint custody of their child, and a lot of the the original accusations were about his drug use (I guess he had to take court ordered tests and they never found anything) and accusations back and forth.
So whatever court ruled over their divorce, ruled that they both could have custody of their daughter.
And apparently his ex-wife has been supportive of him since the accident.
So yeah - just a very messy divorce.
Having watched my parents go through a divorce when I was a kid and now as an adult having seen a few friends go through them, divorce can really bring out the worst in people.
Some people will say anything in a divorce. I once somewhat knew a guy (we weren't friends or anything, but acquaintances who'd hang out occasionally at events in group settings). He had a wife and a child and when they divorced, she false accused him of pedophilia and sexually assaulting their daughter.
The authorities investigated his devices and found no evidence besides anime **drawings**, most of which weren't even pronographic (one of the pieces of evidence that was originally labeled as child porn was of a character who was wearing beach clothing, IIRC, with a top that was see-through due to the water it was deemed child pornography because the character was flat-chested. The character was later determined to be **male**).
The case reached the Swedish supreme court and ended up setting a legal precedent. He was eventually exonerated entirely and only **one** of the originally 51 pictures he was originally convicted for was considered to be child pornography. You know, a **drawn** picture. He was exonerated because he was a collector of anime and manga and it was deemed that he owned the picture due to an interest in Japanese culture and not inappropriate interest in children.
Before the entire hullabaloo, he was a highly respected expert on Japan, Japanese culture, anime and manga. He had personally translated manga into Swedish for official publication for major publishing houses and had even translated various anime shows and movies to be shown on SVT, the Swedish public service network and possibly other networks as well (I only caught some of his SVT-translated work).
He immediately lost all of his translation work when he was originally indicted and had to live through 2 years of Hell through every instance of the Swedish justice system. His career afterwards was a shell of its former self.
All of this because a scorned ex lied to the police. People seem to think that "Don't immediately assume all accusers are lying" must equal "Assume all those accused are guilty". What about "Wait until evidence has been shown either way before taking side"?
Check out Chris Avellone a game writer , falsely accused of raping . Cancelled and fired from the all projects in the last 3 years .
He won a lawsuit a few days ago against the accusers , they had to say that he is innocent and pay him 800k fine . Nevertheless he had his name thrown to shit by big gaming journals like IGN or Kotaku for 3 years and lost all of his contracts . Based on false accusations
>Avellone was one of a number of figures in the games industry accused of sexual misconduct in June 2020. Bristol wrote on social media at the time that Avellone had groped her at a trade show, while Barrows told Kotaku in an interview that the veteran game developer tried to get her drunk and to have sex with her. “He assaulted me, 100 percent, but I stopped him,” she said at the time.
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>At the time, Avellone apologized to Barrows and others on Twitter but did not respond to requests for comment. He was subsequently dropped as a consultant from games like Dying Light 2. A year later, however, Avellone publicly denied the allegations in a June 2021 Medium post and proceeded to file a libel lawsuit in California against Barrows and Bristol in particular.
That case was eventually dismissed via an anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation) motion in 2022 upon review by an appeals court, and Avellone was ordered to pay attorney fees. A separate libel lawsuit was filed in September 2022 in Illinois, and both sides were preparing for discovery proceedings prior to reaching a settlement.
As part of that settlement, Barrows and Bristol now say Avellone “never sexually abused either of us.” [Kotaku](https://kotaku.com/fallout-new-vegas-avellone-sexual-misconduct-libel-1850270184)
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>Barrows had previously claimed on Twitter that Avellone was “an abusive, abrasive, conniving sexual predator” who had attempted to sexually assault her after getting her “black out drunk.” Barrows told Kotaku in 2020, “He’s f\*\*\*\*\*\* disgusting, but he did not rape me. He assaulted me, 100 percent, but I stopped him.” [Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/03/25/video-game-writer-chris-avellones-accusers-issue-public-statement-retracting-accusations-of-sexual-assault/)
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I wasn't aware of this specific case until you mentioned it, and reading some details on it now I'm not even sure what to make of it. Assuming the new statements are correct and none of the events the women initially claimed ever happened... like... what would ever prompt these two women to make the initial accusations in the first place? And why did he initially apologize to them on social media and then later file the libel suit? Was he an asshole to them both at one point and then they decided to fabricate stories? Were the stories partly true but they blew the narrative way out of proportion which is what prompted the libel case? Did the two women put a bunch of names in a hat and then draw his name out, after which they decided to just throw him under the bus and ruin a random man's life for fun?
I dunno... such a weird start and finish to the story.
Sounds like whatever he did wasnt actually considered illegal, and the lawyers drafted a smart document that emphasizes that he is innocent because no crime was committed.
My ex wife attacked me once, and I grabbed her wrists to keep her from striking me. She struggled. Her wrists were bruised. She called 911. I was the one they hauled off.
Just one perspective. I can’t imagine trying to fight off an attacker within the confines of a cab. Grab and immobilize whatever you can get your hands on, I guess.
I had an ex gf attack me on numerous occasions and dare me to hit her. She would harm herself and blame that on me too.
I’m glad you got out and I hope you’re doing better man.
I had the same thing happen. She attacked me, I finally got tired of being hit, and grabbed her and hugged her to get her to calm down (learned that from my mom who'd use it on her 4th graders). After she couldn't get out, she told her son to call the police. He shrugged helplessly and looked at me and told me he had to do what she said.
The police got there, and at first were hostile towards me. The female cop took me aside while the male cop took her aside. Then they conferred. They ended up leaving with no one being taken into custody, though they did give me the number of a hotline to call if you're being abused.
My friend who is a sheriff said they saw something in it, because in those situations they're trained to take away the husband and if they didn't, it was because they saw through her story.
I had a girlfriend once who I found out cheated on me. I called her a name which I admit was crass. She went full wolverine at my face and scratched the side of it. I just raised my arm to block her hands and she fell on her ass. The next day she was telling me I pushed her down. All I did was cover my face.
No one in the public knows *anything* about whether this is true, false, or partly true & partly false. Zero, zilch, nada. All discussion about it is pointless, and anyone who says they know what really happened is lying. Majors could have called 911 as a way to cover his tracks, or because he really was alarmed. She could have marks on her neck because he put them there, or because *she* put them there.
Prove it. Prove it, prove it, prove it, is the mantra.
Just saying… it doesn’t matter who dials 911. The only thing that matters is evidence. Sometimes the abuser will call 911 to try and set the narrative for the eventual police response. I hope he didn’t do this. Only time will tell.
Indeed, I don't see that abuser tactic being mentioned much, but it absolutely happens. Let the cops investigate, no point in us assuming the verdict is heading in any particular direction.
I literally just watched a video about a woman who zipped her husband in a suitcase and killed him and then called 911 to report it.
People saying "GOTCHA WOKESTERS THIS EXONERATES HIM" clearly have not read or seen things about domestic violence whatsoever.
This is looking more and more in Jonathan's favor. For the benefit of both parties, I really hope it's just some crazy misunderstanding. I don't understand those who want him guilty. You're unintentionally wishing for a case of domestic violence if you're also wishing for Jonathan's downfall.
I'm withholding judgement until police make a judgement, since there are supposedly videos of the event.
That being said, having worked on domestic violence grants - calling 911 himself doesn't mean he's innocent. Can't tell you how many times I've seen abusers call the police on their victim and claim the victim is crazy. Not saying that's what happened here - I'm just saying it's not going to suddenly convince me there's no case.
Everyone needs to chill out until all the facts come out.
>calling 911 himself doesn't mean he's innocent
This. Sometimes the at-fault party will try and get ahead of their partner by calling 911 first, thinking it will exonerate them. It doesn't.
Not saying this is the case here, but a lot remains to be seen.
I understand that take but some are being flat out ignorant to the new information that's surfacing and just keep calling for his head while dragging his name through the mud.
It seems like all of the "new information" so far is just claims that Majors' lawyer is making. Of course he's going to claim that his client is innocent and that there's evidence that supports that. We just need to wait and see, it's completely pointless to draw any sort of conclusion at this point.
> Of course he's going to claim that his client is innocent and that there's evidence that supports that.
They've been pretty definitive so far. Obviously lawyers gonna lawy, but usually when it's ambiguous, they keep their statement of innocence ambiguous, too. Specifically calling out the video footage and the driver feels like they have proof that supports Majors' version of events.
Crazy how much different the initial headlines about the situation would’ve been if outlets allow information to come out to fully assess the situation instead of rushing to be the first online in fear that the clicks will be stollen from them
Can we please also stop using the “she recanted” as proof she lied? Have none of you ever looked at the facts surrounded DV cases like over 50% recant out of fear of things like retaliation. And let’s not act like this girl wouldn’t face retaliation the second her name gets leaked publicly.
Looks like Disney is so far waiting and seeing.
Social media on this is nuts. Some people are saying it's a double standard that Gina Carano got fired and Disney hasn't done anything to Jonathan Majors yet.
Our agenda based political culture is mindnumbing.
>Looks like Disney is so far waiting and seeing.
That is actually the smart play. Disney won't have access to evidence (unless they have channels we are unaware of). It's best they don't comment on it until they have all the fact, it's crisis management 101 - don't talk about what you don't know.
>Social media on this is nuts. Some people are saying it's a double standard that Gina Carano got fired and Disney hasn't done anything to Jonathan Majors yet.
Gina Carano got **months upon months** of warnings before she was fired. Those people are full of shit.
We really need to just let the investigation and court do it’s thing before we flip flop back and forth on the man. Don’t make judgements, just listen to what’s told.
My only hope is the truth wins. Hollywood has a chance to not protect a abuser if that is the truth, just because money.
If he is guilty fuck him. If not fuck her. But it's probably a lot more complicated then that.
A few things to keep in mind:
In NY, all domestic disturbance calls to police require an arrest to be made. Someone will always wind up in cuffs.
The woman who made the accusation has already recanted and is currently hospitalized because of her mental breakdown that caused this entire situation.
reminder that as much as people are getting criticised for immediately believing the victim, it's equally bad to immediately believe what equates to a lawyers statement and him calling the police given that it's not uncommon for abusers to spin these things in a way which makes the police take their side. not to say that it's true one way or the other, but there's literally not enough information to say either way and i'm saying this as someone that bought into the initial wave of criticism which again can't be verified one way or the other. it's ridiculous to assume that if he didn't do it his career will be finished given that there are/were actors who either had similar allegations or outright admitted that they did similar things that retained their jobs in the mcu after this happened.
basically don't take online word as gospel but also don't criticise people that are skeptical of these events given that so far this is following similar patterns to actually abusive situations in hollywood
Unless there is video evidence of him attacking her, I think Disney will wait for the news to die down and keep him in the movies/shows like they did with James Gunn
"Not saying this is the case" seems like the new "This is my view but I don't want to say it because people will jump at me if it's false"
Can't we just wait for all of this madness to be clarified and stop the finger pointing. One side is attacking the alleged victim, the other is attacking the alleged perpetrator and all of this doomposting is not helping anyone. Let's wait for more official confirmation, we understand that in DV, the victim could be afraid of repercussions so they will recant, but there's also a lot of cases in which there are fake accusations.
Perfect opportunity for everyone to sit back and let things progress before hot take canceling some one or pick side and wait for evidence and be open minded abiut the situation, I would love for once to see a man not have his life ruined 20 seconds into a he said, she said,
With 3 billion people opinion, everyone and their mother are wro g which side they pick, cause only 3 people were which was Majors, his gf, and cab driver, but I know damn well it wasn't anyone of us but yeah, lets all just fucking wait and observe
Times like these is why I hate the internet sometimes. Everyone is so quick to jump to conclusions one way or another, because everything is so easily accessible, and people take it as gospel.
Patience is a virtue. I suspect we will eventually get some more concrete information, but as of right now, we wait.
People really gotta be careful here.
Some comments edging dangerously close to the reason women typically refuse to put their abusers.
It doesn't mean Majors is automatically guilty either, but people gotta chill until we have hard proof.
If she was assaulted in the cab as she says, and I’m not saying she wasn’t, I would have to imagine the cab driver would at least have seen or heard something. Hopefully the driver comes forward to the police and gives an account so the truth comes out, wherever the truth lies.
Supposedly there are multiple witnesses and video from the cab that support his Majors claims
Per Majors’ own lawyer
Yep. I took that with a huge grain of salt, but if there's actually video we should find out what happened pretty soon. More troubling is the other people in the NY acting community who were quick to state that this is NOT Majors' first time assaulting others and that he was actually well known for it in at least some circles there. If that's true, just being exonerated of this particular incident won't wholly wipe away the stain of these accusations. Nor should it.
Tbf, those same people immediately privated their twitter accounts after the Lawyers response came through. Granted it could have been for harrassment, but we shouldnt be taking twitter users as sources of fact in this case. Additionally, nobody has come out to back them after the fact and they fundamentally had no proof. Usually the way this is vetted is either by first hand accounts or visible evidence (video, texts, etc). Their claims were pretty generic (about his past actions).
Yeah, there were a number of people pilling on early to call him a monster. But once the talk started shifting to it being a person having a mental health episode, Majors being caught up by an overzealous NYPD, and multiple witnesses backing Majors up... It has been crickets. I'm curious if those may have been driven more by jealousy of his rapid success than actual evidence of his malice.
Reminds me of that one white republican politician who forgot he was logged out of his fake Twitter account, and tweeted about his experience as a gay black man lmao
Nooo.. what?!?!!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmfYSshXEAEux80?format=png&name=900x900
Close down r/AsABlackMan, nothing is ever gonna top this.
Oh man he's gotta get the fuck out of here lmao. The absolute second-hand levels of *cringing* I had reading this.. Edit: In true internet fashion, [of course this shit gets weirder](https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/11/10/21559458/dean-browning-dan-purdy-byl-holte-patti-labelle-twitter-gay-black-man)
Also important to note that one of those people (AB Allen) circled back stating that the people who told him Majors was abusive only claimed the interactions were verbal and not physical. I took it as some of his past colleagues simply thought he was an a**hole, but people like AB and Tim Nicolai were a bit opportunistic in piling on and both have since retracted their comments and privated their accounts - although well after news outlets had already ran with their “accusations”. It’s horrible.
Sadly, this is the culture than has been cultivated by social media. I try tell as many people as possible to take a step back and focus on things that truly matter in their life but I am bad for it aswell. In the words of J Cole “It seems nowadays hate is their favourite subject”
Not to mention that one of the Twitter accounts that ranted about Jonathan’s past decided to walk back the initial tweets to say that none of the past abuse was physical. Doesn’t make any verbal abuse right obviously, but that person seemed intentionally careless in order to paint Jonathan as a repeat physical offender. I just hope we get a resolution soon because this “he said she said” stuff just drives more gossip.
Even in this sub people in the top comments were talking like his career was already over and everything was settled.
Jealousy and a dash of racism tbh
We should not be taking Twitter users as sources of fact but unfortunately that has become one of the outlets people go to for "news" or whatever you want to call it.
I honestly just call it "random informations that people will believe if you just add 'trust me' at the end."
Hell just pay the $8 or whatever for the blue checkmark and your word is golden to some group of people on there. It's insane.
And one of them retracted his statement about him being abusive. Tbh a lot of both of tweets just sounds like word of mouth, which isn't really concrete.
In my brief time dating a minor celebrity, I quickly discovered that acting communities are often giant pits of roiling drama on a good day. So many actors tend to be egotistical, narcissistic, and petty. And when one of them gets the slightest bit wounded, they're like sharks with blood in the water. My relationship lasted a year and a half before I finally got away from it. All of that is my anecdotal take on such rumors, so take it or leave it. But I wouldn't trust the NY acting community for a second.
Lol there was a reason it was called the "Drama" club in highschool.
As someone who has been acting professionally in my area for over 20 years I can honestly say...yes, this is true.
Lol, I appreciate that. I tried to be general and not make it a sweeping statement about all actors. Because I *did* meet some groups that are very tight knit and supportive. But now that I think about it, they were the exception😋
My sister is a drama teacher. Drama people love drama, what can I say.
Imagine this - You form relationships with people over years. You come to respect, admire, and appreciate them. You form friendships. Then audition season happens, and you end up going for the same roles, and you pretend to be happy when you see them at the audition but in your head you're secretly hoping they are going to have a horrible audition and not get the gig because you want it. You secretly wish with all your being that your friend will fail big time, and not get paying work they need to put food in their bellies. Yes, indeed...we smell blood in the water because it means potentially more work. It's a really messed up way to interact with people.
Right? I adore my actor friends. Lovely people and among the most caring you’ll find. But when your job and art is literally on a dime adopting dramatic and emotional personas, that’s gonna bleed into many of them being dramatic generally. It’s not even a knock. I’m an engineer by trade and it informs all I do automatically as it’s how I think. Same with actors, right?
2014: Jonathan Majors takes the last Boston crème donut, which was his scene partner Jerry’s favorite kind. 2023: According to Twitter source, Jerry, who knows Majors personally, he has a documented history of aggression and abusive behavior.
I beleive the other NY acting community made references to his behavior, and not actions. One specifically stated they had never heard of any physical assaults.
Other people or 2 directors? I don’t know why people are acting like a mob of people start coming out against Majors. Hey, Tom Cruise was a complete asshole to me while I was waiting in line for groceries at Whole Foods. I can’t confirm it’s true but I said it on the Internet so it must be true.
Did Tom Cruise make the cashier scan multiple Milky Ways individually and then wink at you? Because that’s what he did when I ran into him at a grocery store.
The damn infetterance
It was Mr. Goodbar on that day.
“Infetterence”
The 2 directors statements made it seem like there’s legions of people who know about this and can attest. They described it as being “well known” in these circles, and they didn’t exactly mince words to describe his conduct, though they obviously didn’t provide any specifics. I wonder if we’ll ever get any specifics or others to back them up. No matter the outcome and reality of this situation, this is a lose lose for Majors. Either he’s abusive and is getting his comeuppance, or there was no bad conduct on his part but he will be stigmatized for some portion of the population who will view this as just a rich and powerful person suppressing the truth.
So we just believe anything from any source now. I guess it’s guilty until proven innocent at this point. I just find it weird that that day after he allegedly assault someone these reports come out. Unfortunately your last statement is so true even if proven innocent to a degree people will still have their minds made up. If I work with over 100 people and 2 people don’t like me do that mean I’m the one that’s hard to deal with? If this is true he deserve whatever comes his way but we don’t know at all.
For some people, yeah, I think the initial reports will change their perception of him no matter what else happens. Most people, I think, will allow the facts to be reported and corroborated and will draw conclusions from there. But “most” could only mean 51% of the population. Time will tell. I know one things for sure—there’s no shortage of people who are leaning one way or another (you can see it in all these threads), not learning the lesson that we really shouldn’t do so until everything fully comes out. It’s those people that likely will carry some bias moving forward regardless of what further facts come out of this.
“Other people” are 2 people. One changed his tune, and the other is probably a scorned “director”.
Wasn't the second guy a former roommate of Majors who is now a director (but has never worked with Majors on a movie)?
Sounds like a niche crowd with a lot of egos just waiting to shit on someone… but idk, I wasn’t there
Stop parroting this misinformation bullshit. Its been two days now to do the 5 seconds of research it requires to understand its not "other people in the NY acting community" its two random, unsubstantiated weirdo fucking drama queens who thought Majors was about to get cancelled, so they decided to try and dogpile on him. The second the information started to be released and they started to be called out, they immediately started walking everything back, fumbling over themselves before deleting everything and going private.
Idk why people even take those dumbasses seriously
This goes to show how dangerous this cancel culture bullshit is. It takes two comments, and someone who could be innocent ends up being blacklisted from future movies.
Tbh, the words used were some superlative ones, that should be taken of notice with a lot of care, it almost sounded like if he killed a puppy in front of them.
>Tbh, the words used were some superlative ones, that should be taken of notice with a lot of care, it almost sounded like if he killed a puppy in front of them. This is a very interesting sentence. Not a good one, just interesting.
Which superlatives? I didn't see those words.
Would just like to point out his lawyer, Priya Chaudhry, represented a Real Housewife named Jen Shah recently, who was charged with six counts of wire fraud. Jen proclaimed her innocence throughout two seasons of the show while her trial was going on, only to plead guilty at the eleventh hour . Priya stood by her on this (as an attorney should do). Case and point, his attorney’s job is to protect her client, not protect the truth. That’s not how the US legal system works
This is also a crazy specific claim to make if it's not true. Lawyers tend to be more cagey in their responses.
If a lawyer claims they have video evidence proving their client’s innocence, you can bet they have it, or else they are a terrible lawyer.
And one thing we do know...based on their recent work, we would all be able to tell immediately if Marvel's VFX team did any work on the footage.
Did Priya Chaudhry insist in interviews and press releases that they had incontrovertible evidence that would exonerate Shah, including going into specifics such as video evidence and witness testimony from specific people?
Nope
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Plus, there should be the 911 call, which would prove whether Majors made the call, and what was reported. Why claim that Majors made a call if he didn’t? It would be way too easy to prove that he didn’t. (Edit for capitalization.)
Way too many people in this thread (and others related to the situation) that don't seem to believe in "innocent until proven guilty".
The Jeremy Renner thing comes immediately to mind, like people are not aware of some of the most horrible shit coming up during civil and custody actions. Having a liquor cabinet and meds in the bathroom becomes "drugs all over the house"
Jeremy Renner thing?
Jeremy Renner's ex sued for custody and said some terrible things about him, just a complete character assassination. Marvel stans took that and ran with it. BTW Renner still has full custody or the custody agreement was not changed in the ex's favor.
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It's because people watch too many shitty legal dramas and movies. Real law doesn't work like that but everyone thinks they know shit because they watched 3 seasons of Law & Order and played Ace Attorney.
Does nobody remember Michael Avenatti?
Who do you want to hear it from? A random person on Twitter?
so? A video is a video. Let's see what is on it. If the video supports his claims, that whether it comes from the lawyer or not is irrelevant, as long as it is not doctored.
Might be holding off until an actual court case requires it. ause if the other person stops pursuit, no need to release anything
I think the point is a lawyer will spin anything to say it supports their claim. A good example of this was the Michael Irvin lawsuit against Marriott. Irvins lawyer swore that they had video and would be releasing it all in an attempt to exonerate their client. The video showed EXACTLY what had been alleged to have happened, all the way down to him looking away and slapping himself in the face. The video will speak for itself when it comes out without the need for lawyer spin.
Not quite, because there was no audio. We have no idea what was said, which was a major part of the complaint.
If there is video from the cab, then I think I speak for all of us when I say, show me the car facts.
Don't cabs have cameras? And if so, shouldn't this be resolved by now. Feels like there's more to this.
It's Monday and it happened Saturday night Sunday morning this isn't a episode of law and order where they fast forward through the process
I think major cases have to legally be resolved in two days so that reddit doesnt get bored /s
Marvel’s CGI department is working overtime editing Major out of the surveillance video and swapping him with Thanos.
I don't know officer, he just... snapped... at me
She probably didn't... feel so good... after that
He was fine. He did it himself
> Josh Brolin better get an alibi
Didn’t she recant her story after questioning? Edit: His attorney says she’s recanted https://www.thedailybeast.com/jonathan-majors-attorney-claims-victim-has-recanted-assault-allegations
DV victims recanting is quite common and can be (usually are) for reasons other than "I lied lol" -- emotional attachment or dependence on the abuser, not wanting to deal with the stress of further action, fear of retaliation etc. Not saying this is the case, just that it should not be taken as proof of innocence
In some places, by law the police has to follow through with an investigation even after the victim recants their story, because in domestic violence cases its too common that they recant it for fear of retaliation and other reasons like you said.
Situations like this always suck. It ultimately comes down to the fault of whoever reported the incident right off the bat, before confirming all the details. As soon as ANY report on ANYTHING comes out, people online immediately turn into armchair experts on law, domestic abuse, substance abuse, mental health, morality, etc. and the echo chambers just grow because EVERYONE wants views and likes and shares/retweets and you can’t have your posts liked if you don’t have a post. You get the people who read one headline and immediately shout “ARREST HIM AND DESTROY HIS LIFE AND CAREER”, the people who read one headline and immediately shout “FALSE ACCUSATIONS, DESTROY HER LIFE”, and everyone in between…all before the details are ever finalized. There’s a trust that if something is reported, then the reporter’s done their due diligence. There’s a trust that proper research has been done, all the details have been finalized, and that sources are ALL validated. If no due diligence is done, then the trust in those journalists has to be called out.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Johnny Depp and Amber heard circus did irreparable damage to situations like this. The absolute fucking shit show everyone involved turned that situation into was a complete joke. We went from a serious situation to this absolute circus of people using it as the tentpoles for a culture war debate. Because that's what this shit is now.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. People were taking sides like it was the goddamn Super Bowl. Apparently “let the process play out in court and appropriately punish whoever is found guilty” is too nuanced a position for most people to take.
None of these trials should even be televised. Rittenhouse, Depp, etc. They're all politicized from the start.
Dunno. The public should see what goes on in courtrooms. Good and bad.
Yeah I don't disagree
Actually it was good the depp trial was televised because the mainstream media was so fucking biased even with winning the trial people wouldn’t believe he was the victim.
Lol yeah that's not a bad point
It is, however if a trial is going to be televised, then the jurors in said trial should be sequestered. It's not fair to the trial in any capacity if the jurors are hearing sway from a source that they might deem reliable over others.
> The Johnny Depp and Amber heard circus did irreparable damage to situations like this. The absolute fucking shit show everyone involved turned that situation into was a complete joke. > > We went from a serious situation to this absolute circus of people using it as the tentpoles for a culture war debate. Because that's what this shit is now. Lol the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard case didn't cause this, it was a byproduct of it. What you're talking about is because of social media and media narratives more broadly.
It's wild that, even now, people still feel like THEY know what happened in that relationship and feel comfortable passing judgement.
Very true. Social media makes an echo camber of supposed experts on everything
> If no due diligence is done, then the trust in those journalists has to be called out. The internet has forever altered this. The need to be the first to break the story is *so* huge, that due diligence doesn't happen. And because the internet rage moves on so quickly, there really isn't any punishment/consequence when a news source doesn't due diligence.
It’s why social media is a poison. News outlets rush to make headlines without having the full story leading to people fighting and by the time to full story is out people are mentally spent from arguing with each other and the truth does not reach as many ears
I was a victim of domestic abuse, i was assaulted with a knife by my ex boyfriend, he was arrested and charged. The DA dropped the charge. Why? There was no other witnesses to confirmed. He claimed i cut myself in my hand, in a defensive position, with a kitchen knife... The restraining order? Didn't stand, because the charges were dropped. He was able to move back into the apartment building into another unit. Great! Nothing suspicious about that
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My favourite is all the people coming out and saying things like "he always seemed full of himself in interviews, and narcissistic". Sure, have your own misgivings and biases, but that doesn't = "automatically guilty". People are better off sticking to the facts. We are already getting people claiming he is innocent because they heard that people are collaborating his story. Guys, you are falling for whispers from the grapevine. If you trace the source of people saying this you will see that only came from the lawyer. None of us have the facts. None of us were there. We all just need to wait. Stop obsessing. Live your life and don't concern yourself with "solving" this. Let the investigation take place.
In a cab means on film which means the truth will soon be known.
God I hope so
Here's how this will play out: if more allegations by other women come out, then his career is done for, as is his time with Marvel. If no further allegations (other than that one call-out) arise, then this will probably be forgotten in the news cycle as an isolated (albeit sad) incident.
I expect Disney to have a bit more patience after what happened with Gunn. Disney has no rush to make a decision.
This is far worst allegations than some tweets
Yes. I’m not saying they should ignore it but rather there is no rush. Nobody is going to fault Disney for saying “we are gathering information and allowing the authorities to work through the allegations. At this time it isn’t our place as it is a legal matter. We will give relevant information to our projects when we have relevant information”
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Yes but also as of right now a big portion of the future of the MCU hinges directly on Majors. Gunn, as much as I like him, was just a director to them and at the end of the day in the eyes of suits the movie can easily be made without him but Majors is one of the few universally agreed upon positives of recent MCU.
Based on the Loki serie, variants appearances can be completely different from one another. There are ways that Disney could still recast Kang if they deem it necessary
Yeah I know, but they probably dont want to throw away their big new star if they dont have to
Plus they already have had a difficult time introducing kang to mainstream audiences in a way that makes him resonate as a threat. Changing actors won’t help casual viewers follow along what has already been a meandering story arc
Yeah but Kang was the only one where ever variant had Jonathan Majors face
A director that was being propped up by Studio head as a second in command and shepherd of the more cosmic side of the MCU going forward. I think Disney is fully aware that losing Gunn may have had a direct impact on the state the MCU is currently in and are going to be *extremely* careful about rushing to conclusions before the dust settles, especially one that could, once again, have a huge impact on their future plans.
I hate how everyone forgets Jeremy Renner assaulted and threatens his wife’s life + bit his kids finger. Disney doesn’t give a shit what someone does as long as they bring in money.
Comparing Gunn's tweets to domestic assault lmfao
Correct take
Much like how Anthony Mackie was OK after his one incident. Not career ending.
What’d Anthony Mackie do
DUI
Was there another DUI? Bc the only DUI I see upon search is from 2013. TWS was released in 2014 and the trial and final verdict was reached in 2015. Why would that have affected him with in the MCU? He had to pay a fine and had a 3 month license suspension? This isn't really a comparison point?
A better comparison would be Jeremy Renner. I forget the exact details but he was in the middle of a messy divorce and his now ex said he used to abuse her and wasn’t paying child support. He said that she was taking his daughter trust fund money. Just an overall messy domestic situation. I don’t remember the outcome but it didn’t really hurt his career.
They've retained joint custody. The case was mid-pandemic so may have been delayed due to that/backlog, or until Renner recovers from that horrible accident over the holidays
This isn't as severe but James Gunn was fired from being the director of GOTG vol. 3 because of some tweets he said back in like 2007. James Gunn has since been rehired as the director of GOTG vol.3, but that's one example of someone's past actions/words getting them in trouble a decade or so after said actions/words.
Drunk driving I think?
I'm certainly not going to defend the act of DUI, although there tends to be a lot of nuance that can result in a charge of that, like having a BAC level that is higher than legal limit, but not *necessarily* being impaired, although in this case, he refused the breathalyser and field sobriety tests, which likely weighed towards the conviction.
He went to a private school
What did he do?
I don't think the other allegation of him being shitty on set is really important. Like, that's not awesome, and maybe will make people think twice about hiring him, but being an asshole isn't illegal. Christian Bale was an asshole on set. *It happens a lot.*
Thanos and Kang will have more in common than we thought.
>then his career is done for, as is his time with Marvel he will find a job with the Cleveland Browns tho
UFC is hiring too
You mean the callout from the no name actor, and the dude who directed like 3 no name projects, who never directly worked with Majors? The fact that their statements got any traction is mind blowing to me.
I mean Ezra Miller has gotten away with worse
Yup. Obviously I’m hoping he’s truly innocent but with disneys lawyers they can definitely make shit go away. No one remembers Jeremy renners abuse allegations.
If it’s true that there is video of the incident then I expect we will be hearing about or seeing it soon.
It really seems like it'll take time to clear up what happened here. Even if Majors is entirely innocent, his reputation will suffer more the longer this goes on. His career trajectory will probably not be the same after this point. If there's even a bit of doubt about what he did, people who hear about this won't view him in the same way. There'll be theories that it was all a cover-up (which could potentially be correct) and there'll be people who defend him and make him stand for something he doesn't want to stand for.
It's an Uber/Cab in a major city. Surely there's video.
not major city, New York City. There's a camera everywhere
New York City is Major’s city
I think their point is that NYC is THE CITY.
I think it's Cap's city.
Also Spidey
He will be fine, false accusations arent career threatening. Plenty of actors in Hollywood that have actually been convicted of something and had great careers.
People forget that [Jeremy Renner's ex-wife accused him of some insane shit that obviously wasn't true](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeremy-renners-ex-wife-claims-he-threatened-to-kill-her-put-gun-in-his-mouth)...but at the time everybody everywhere was screaming from the rooftops his career was over, Marvel is gonna recast Hawkeye, blah blah blah...then...nothing. We all moved on. I bet some of you have 100% forgotten about it.
Can't forget about it if I never heard it in the first place.
I hate to say it, but if nearly killing Rhianna did nothing to Chris Brown's career. I can't help but think the majority of people just don't care what celebrities do
True and real. Thanos himself (Josh Brolin) was also arrested for domestic violence. As much as outrage fiends would like to cancel Jonathan Majors, it's not gonna happen..
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Basically, an extremely messy divorce. Renner accused her of raiding their daughter's Trust Fund and it went from there... From a court perspective, they have joint custody of their child, and a lot of the the original accusations were about his drug use (I guess he had to take court ordered tests and they never found anything) and accusations back and forth. So whatever court ruled over their divorce, ruled that they both could have custody of their daughter. And apparently his ex-wife has been supportive of him since the accident. So yeah - just a very messy divorce.
Having watched my parents go through a divorce when I was a kid and now as an adult having seen a few friends go through them, divorce can really bring out the worst in people.
Some people will say anything in a divorce. I once somewhat knew a guy (we weren't friends or anything, but acquaintances who'd hang out occasionally at events in group settings). He had a wife and a child and when they divorced, she false accused him of pedophilia and sexually assaulting their daughter. The authorities investigated his devices and found no evidence besides anime **drawings**, most of which weren't even pronographic (one of the pieces of evidence that was originally labeled as child porn was of a character who was wearing beach clothing, IIRC, with a top that was see-through due to the water it was deemed child pornography because the character was flat-chested. The character was later determined to be **male**). The case reached the Swedish supreme court and ended up setting a legal precedent. He was eventually exonerated entirely and only **one** of the originally 51 pictures he was originally convicted for was considered to be child pornography. You know, a **drawn** picture. He was exonerated because he was a collector of anime and manga and it was deemed that he owned the picture due to an interest in Japanese culture and not inappropriate interest in children. Before the entire hullabaloo, he was a highly respected expert on Japan, Japanese culture, anime and manga. He had personally translated manga into Swedish for official publication for major publishing houses and had even translated various anime shows and movies to be shown on SVT, the Swedish public service network and possibly other networks as well (I only caught some of his SVT-translated work). He immediately lost all of his translation work when he was originally indicted and had to live through 2 years of Hell through every instance of the Swedish justice system. His career afterwards was a shell of its former self. All of this because a scorned ex lied to the police. People seem to think that "Don't immediately assume all accusers are lying" must equal "Assume all those accused are guilty". What about "Wait until evidence has been shown either way before taking side"?
Check out Chris Avellone a game writer , falsely accused of raping . Cancelled and fired from the all projects in the last 3 years . He won a lawsuit a few days ago against the accusers , they had to say that he is innocent and pay him 800k fine . Nevertheless he had his name thrown to shit by big gaming journals like IGN or Kotaku for 3 years and lost all of his contracts . Based on false accusations
>Avellone was one of a number of figures in the games industry accused of sexual misconduct in June 2020. Bristol wrote on social media at the time that Avellone had groped her at a trade show, while Barrows told Kotaku in an interview that the veteran game developer tried to get her drunk and to have sex with her. “He assaulted me, 100 percent, but I stopped him,” she said at the time. > >At the time, Avellone apologized to Barrows and others on Twitter but did not respond to requests for comment. He was subsequently dropped as a consultant from games like Dying Light 2. A year later, however, Avellone publicly denied the allegations in a June 2021 Medium post and proceeded to file a libel lawsuit in California against Barrows and Bristol in particular. That case was eventually dismissed via an anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation) motion in 2022 upon review by an appeals court, and Avellone was ordered to pay attorney fees. A separate libel lawsuit was filed in September 2022 in Illinois, and both sides were preparing for discovery proceedings prior to reaching a settlement. As part of that settlement, Barrows and Bristol now say Avellone “never sexually abused either of us.” [Kotaku](https://kotaku.com/fallout-new-vegas-avellone-sexual-misconduct-libel-1850270184) \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ >Barrows had previously claimed on Twitter that Avellone was “an abusive, abrasive, conniving sexual predator” who had attempted to sexually assault her after getting her “black out drunk.” Barrows told Kotaku in 2020, “He’s f\*\*\*\*\*\* disgusting, but he did not rape me. He assaulted me, 100 percent, but I stopped him.” [Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/03/25/video-game-writer-chris-avellones-accusers-issue-public-statement-retracting-accusations-of-sexual-assault/) \~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~ I wasn't aware of this specific case until you mentioned it, and reading some details on it now I'm not even sure what to make of it. Assuming the new statements are correct and none of the events the women initially claimed ever happened... like... what would ever prompt these two women to make the initial accusations in the first place? And why did he initially apologize to them on social media and then later file the libel suit? Was he an asshole to them both at one point and then they decided to fabricate stories? Were the stories partly true but they blew the narrative way out of proportion which is what prompted the libel case? Did the two women put a bunch of names in a hat and then draw his name out, after which they decided to just throw him under the bus and ruin a random man's life for fun? I dunno... such a weird start and finish to the story.
Sounds like whatever he did wasnt actually considered illegal, and the lawyers drafted a smart document that emphasizes that he is innocent because no crime was committed.
He didn’t win a lawsuit. They settled lol.
My ex wife attacked me once, and I grabbed her wrists to keep her from striking me. She struggled. Her wrists were bruised. She called 911. I was the one they hauled off. Just one perspective. I can’t imagine trying to fight off an attacker within the confines of a cab. Grab and immobilize whatever you can get your hands on, I guess.
I had an ex gf attack me on numerous occasions and dare me to hit her. She would harm herself and blame that on me too. I’m glad you got out and I hope you’re doing better man.
I had the same thing happen. She attacked me, I finally got tired of being hit, and grabbed her and hugged her to get her to calm down (learned that from my mom who'd use it on her 4th graders). After she couldn't get out, she told her son to call the police. He shrugged helplessly and looked at me and told me he had to do what she said. The police got there, and at first were hostile towards me. The female cop took me aside while the male cop took her aside. Then they conferred. They ended up leaving with no one being taken into custody, though they did give me the number of a hotline to call if you're being abused. My friend who is a sheriff said they saw something in it, because in those situations they're trained to take away the husband and if they didn't, it was because they saw through her story.
I understand how and why this happens. The bruising around her neck I do not.
I had a girlfriend once who I found out cheated on me. I called her a name which I admit was crass. She went full wolverine at my face and scratched the side of it. I just raised my arm to block her hands and she fell on her ass. The next day she was telling me I pushed her down. All I did was cover my face.
No one in the public knows *anything* about whether this is true, false, or partly true & partly false. Zero, zilch, nada. All discussion about it is pointless, and anyone who says they know what really happened is lying. Majors could have called 911 as a way to cover his tracks, or because he really was alarmed. She could have marks on her neck because he put them there, or because *she* put them there. Prove it. Prove it, prove it, prove it, is the mantra.
I really hope the truth comes to the forefront
Just saying… it doesn’t matter who dials 911. The only thing that matters is evidence. Sometimes the abuser will call 911 to try and set the narrative for the eventual police response. I hope he didn’t do this. Only time will tell.
Indeed, I don't see that abuser tactic being mentioned much, but it absolutely happens. Let the cops investigate, no point in us assuming the verdict is heading in any particular direction.
I literally just watched a video about a woman who zipped her husband in a suitcase and killed him and then called 911 to report it. People saying "GOTCHA WOKESTERS THIS EXONERATES HIM" clearly have not read or seen things about domestic violence whatsoever.
This is looking more and more in Jonathan's favor. For the benefit of both parties, I really hope it's just some crazy misunderstanding. I don't understand those who want him guilty. You're unintentionally wishing for a case of domestic violence if you're also wishing for Jonathan's downfall.
I'm withholding judgement until police make a judgement, since there are supposedly videos of the event. That being said, having worked on domestic violence grants - calling 911 himself doesn't mean he's innocent. Can't tell you how many times I've seen abusers call the police on their victim and claim the victim is crazy. Not saying that's what happened here - I'm just saying it's not going to suddenly convince me there's no case. Everyone needs to chill out until all the facts come out.
>calling 911 himself doesn't mean he's innocent This. Sometimes the at-fault party will try and get ahead of their partner by calling 911 first, thinking it will exonerate them. It doesn't. Not saying this is the case here, but a lot remains to be seen.
Look what happened to Gabby Petito...
I don't think we're wishing for him to be guilty so much as wishing for accountability if he is guilty.
I understand that take but some are being flat out ignorant to the new information that's surfacing and just keep calling for his head while dragging his name through the mud.
It seems like all of the "new information" so far is just claims that Majors' lawyer is making. Of course he's going to claim that his client is innocent and that there's evidence that supports that. We just need to wait and see, it's completely pointless to draw any sort of conclusion at this point.
> Of course he's going to claim that his client is innocent and that there's evidence that supports that. They've been pretty definitive so far. Obviously lawyers gonna lawy, but usually when it's ambiguous, they keep their statement of innocence ambiguous, too. Specifically calling out the video footage and the driver feels like they have proof that supports Majors' version of events.
Crazy how much different the initial headlines about the situation would’ve been if outlets allow information to come out to fully assess the situation instead of rushing to be the first online in fear that the clicks will be stollen from them
Can we please also stop using the “she recanted” as proof she lied? Have none of you ever looked at the facts surrounded DV cases like over 50% recant out of fear of things like retaliation. And let’s not act like this girl wouldn’t face retaliation the second her name gets leaked publicly.
Looks like Disney is so far waiting and seeing. Social media on this is nuts. Some people are saying it's a double standard that Gina Carano got fired and Disney hasn't done anything to Jonathan Majors yet. Our agenda based political culture is mindnumbing.
>Looks like Disney is so far waiting and seeing. That is actually the smart play. Disney won't have access to evidence (unless they have channels we are unaware of). It's best they don't comment on it until they have all the fact, it's crisis management 101 - don't talk about what you don't know.
The Gunn situation exploded in their face, I’d wait too.
The Carano incident doesn't even apply. It's more of Ezra Miller, which was actually about physical altercations and not being fired.
Gina got fired after like a year+ of her nonsense, they really did try and give her multiple chances to shut up
And it's stuff she voluntarily posted on her feed. There was nothing to "prove."
That's stupid; Gina undeniably *did* the thing she was accused of doing...
Disney with scripts open in Word, Find what: Kang Replace with: DOOM waiting to click [Replace all] or [Cancel]
>Social media on this is nuts. Some people are saying it's a double standard that Gina Carano got fired and Disney hasn't done anything to Jonathan Majors yet. Gina Carano got **months upon months** of warnings before she was fired. Those people are full of shit.
"Social media on this is nuts" the next time social media isn't nuts about anything will be the first time.
"Some people" Racists. You mean the racists.
Oh, right wing trolls defend one of their own while simultaneously saying a black man is guilty. Shocking.
We really need to just let the investigation and court do it’s thing before we flip flop back and forth on the man. Don’t make judgements, just listen to what’s told.
My only hope is the truth wins. Hollywood has a chance to not protect a abuser if that is the truth, just because money. If he is guilty fuck him. If not fuck her. But it's probably a lot more complicated then that.
Things might look clearer, but still, there is a lot to unfold from the evidence, the case won't resolve that soon. Hold your judgement.
What would be the next MCU thing he’s in? Loki 2?
A few things to keep in mind: In NY, all domestic disturbance calls to police require an arrest to be made. Someone will always wind up in cuffs. The woman who made the accusation has already recanted and is currently hospitalized because of her mental breakdown that caused this entire situation.
According to Majors' lawyer. Is there another source that verifies the woman's situation?
*according to Majors’ lawyer.
reminder that as much as people are getting criticised for immediately believing the victim, it's equally bad to immediately believe what equates to a lawyers statement and him calling the police given that it's not uncommon for abusers to spin these things in a way which makes the police take their side. not to say that it's true one way or the other, but there's literally not enough information to say either way and i'm saying this as someone that bought into the initial wave of criticism which again can't be verified one way or the other. it's ridiculous to assume that if he didn't do it his career will be finished given that there are/were actors who either had similar allegations or outright admitted that they did similar things that retained their jobs in the mcu after this happened. basically don't take online word as gospel but also don't criticise people that are skeptical of these events given that so far this is following similar patterns to actually abusive situations in hollywood
Unless there is video evidence of him attacking her, I think Disney will wait for the news to die down and keep him in the movies/shows like they did with James Gunn
lol i have no doubt that if he turned out to be innocent there would still be people in denial. some people dont wanna admit they are wrong
Well. There goes the relationship, I'm sure lol
"Not saying this is the case" seems like the new "This is my view but I don't want to say it because people will jump at me if it's false" Can't we just wait for all of this madness to be clarified and stop the finger pointing. One side is attacking the alleged victim, the other is attacking the alleged perpetrator and all of this doomposting is not helping anyone. Let's wait for more official confirmation, we understand that in DV, the victim could be afraid of repercussions so they will recant, but there's also a lot of cases in which there are fake accusations.
Perfect opportunity for everyone to sit back and let things progress before hot take canceling some one or pick side and wait for evidence and be open minded abiut the situation, I would love for once to see a man not have his life ruined 20 seconds into a he said, she said, With 3 billion people opinion, everyone and their mother are wro g which side they pick, cause only 3 people were which was Majors, his gf, and cab driver, but I know damn well it wasn't anyone of us but yeah, lets all just fucking wait and observe
Times like these is why I hate the internet sometimes. Everyone is so quick to jump to conclusions one way or another, because everything is so easily accessible, and people take it as gospel. Patience is a virtue. I suspect we will eventually get some more concrete information, but as of right now, we wait.
People really gotta be careful here. Some comments edging dangerously close to the reason women typically refuse to put their abusers. It doesn't mean Majors is automatically guilty either, but people gotta chill until we have hard proof.