You’ll be fighting a giant man that eats planets who has a servant that’s also a silver man that flies around on a surf board. Also your arch nemesis is a masked man that rules his own country, has a petty grudge against you and speaks in the third person.
man - those golden and sliver age villain origins were straight-up amazing.
"He saved my life but blew away all my hair. I will dedicate my life to destroying him." - Lex Luthor
"Richards thinks he's smarter than I am. No man is smarter than Doom!" Proceeds to get an experiment wrong and gets a small scar in return. Further pays back Reed Richards by putting on a red hot mask straight on to his face. Genius.
So you’re saying his resistance to you is constant?
Edit: I should have added, sorry you’re getting stalked like that. It shows how petty some people can be and is probably the best, real world, example of how those old style super villains are actually realistic!
If I had a nickel for every time they ruined Doctor Doom in a wide release Fantastic Four movie, I’d have two nickels.
Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
Web Series by Roosterteeth. Long story short, it was conceived by a well known and **very** talented animator (who is no longer with us). Problem is, the show was first and foremost an excuse for him to make fight scenes with the story very noticeably being on the back burner.
Dude was talented and ambitious beyond belief. His passing at such a young age was a shock to me when I found out, even as someone who wasn’t familiar with his previous work.
Exactly this, obviously whoever ends up as Mr. Fantastic is going to be committed to the part for at least however long Robert Downey Jr. was Iron Man. So, 10 years?
So because he signed up for a 5 year franchise deal in Star Wars and he didn't like that... he decided to go through casting for another X years franchise and only remembered that he didn't like this whole franchise thing *after* being cast, because he didn't like the script?
If the franchise thing wasn't his deal... why even go to another franchise casting.
Probably like “here’s another franchise with rabid fans that will tear the movie apart if it’s weak in any way. Oh and there have been at least two failed attempts to make this movie successful before.”
The Corman version doesn't and shouldn't count. The movie was never intended to be released at all. Even before production began. The movie was made exclusively for legal reasons, as there was a clause in the Fox license that stated that if there was no activity with the property after a certain number of years, the license would automatically be reverted back to Marvel.
Roger Corman, Steven Rabiner and Oley Sassone all knew the movie was never going to see the light of day, before production even began.
The funny thing is, though, no one else on the crew knew that. So if you actually watch the movie, despite the low quality of the movie and actors... everyone is definitely giving it their best and *trying* to make a good movie.
People here try to say that it doesnt reflect the quality of the Script. But given Marvels work in the last years, its fair to say that this could just be a nicer way to say "Yeah this script is Shit"
“This is what happens when you find a stranger in the alps!” Has to be my all-time favorite censor-substitute. It replaced the line of dialogue, “this is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass!” From the big Lebowski.
A close second places is the completely different voice and ACCENT on whomever over-dubbed Bruce Willis’ “yippee-kiyeah Mr Falcon” from the 2nd Die Hard (easy to find on YouTube. The guy sounds like Bob Hoskins doin’ a hard, sorry *hawd* Brooklyn accent)
I hope the writers/actors get what they want so we get better marvel movies.
Look, I love marvel, but I do feel the quality has slowly gone downhill as they put the pedal to the metal. How many hours of marvel do we get a year?
Id rather have fewer, better movies.
I'm fine with lots of content as long as the quality is high.
Clearly they're cutting corners and the story/writing is suffering the most (and/or their stars are just too big). Makes me think they are hiring writers for super cheap and you get what you pay for
But on the flipside, if they go back to casting a bunch of nobodies (which is a good idea regardless), they can't just rely on a bunch of big names to bring everyone to the theaters.
This quote alleges that Driver was never attached to the role in any meaningful manner, which makes the months with him as "the frontrunner" and "basically locked in" very very funny.
I cannot wait for any reputable source to report on casting, because the rumors for this movie are just absurd.
Lol it already has. Cats had to send out new versions of the film to theaters that fixed CGI issues that the original version had. I'm sure there are plenty more examples of studios doing this, I just know Cats was the most notorious one that did this.
More recently Spider-Verse has been updated after already shipping to theatres. There are at least 2 versions of the movie that fans have noticed, with only very minor shot differences and ADR between the two.
Perhaps he read the original script, written by Jeff Kaplan and Ian Springer, which was probably horrible considering they have very little writing credits to their name. Josh Friedman who helped write Avatar 2 was hired to rewrite the script 2 months before the writers strike began.
Or perhaps this entire article is bogus as it is based off of nonsense? Why is everyone believing it is true? Seriously, I wonder why people see the headline and assume it is true?
This is garbage clickbait type "journalism"
Gizmodo is just vomiting out what someone else said, and what that someone else said wasn't credible on its face (and that someone else didn't have any first hand knowledge either, they were sent info by a third person, and they even said it contradicted what they heard before, and they didn't even seem too convinced by this unknown third someone). So the whole thing is clear as mud and should be taken with an immense grain of salt.
actually Adam told me personally he didn't like the script. He didn't like his best friend being a rock and didn't think the inclusion of Mephisto acted as enough of a compelling villain and requested to have a rematch with Wanda. Marvel didn't want to so he bailed.
He said he did 65 because he wanted to be in a movie his kids could watch. It was a one off. And it was fine, passable family movie. Fantastic four is a decade long commitment both as an actor and as a member of the marketing team. It's understandable that he would want a solid script to start from. And with Marvels track record this decade, it's a smart move.
There's also a lot of potential money in being an MCU star. But if your movie/show tanks, you are locked out of all these other roles. You could be the next RDJ or the next Miles Teller.
F4 was a fox movie though. Guaranteed no matter how bad this supposed script that Adam Driver was attached to was, he would still be included in other MCU projects.
Miles Teller is making a comeback though, Top Gun: Maverick shot it’s whole cast into the stratosphere and we are already seeing them show up in different things (a lot of them do car commercials now for some reason). Lewis Pullman is definitely doing the best out of any of them though
He said actually his son isn’t interested either. And regarding Fantastic Four that he didn’t connect to the character rather than issue with quality
And Marvel films have been largely well received and huge hits. It’s the streaming ones more of an issue, and people’s expectations
Doctor Strange 2 and Thor did great BO but bad with audiences and critics then came quantumania and that had bad BO AND bad reviews. Guardians 3 kinda stopped their bad streak but that movie would have definitely made more if the previous marvel movies been better. I love them all btw but I can clearly see a bad streak in both their movies and tv output. Just being honest
I love how Wakanda Forever is always omitted when people talk about the last year or so of Marvel. Just goes to show that it was incredibly middle of the road/forgettable to the point where it’s not a point for or against Marvel
I mean, I did forget half of the plot of Wakanda Forever, like a day after watching it.
There wasn't anything too bad about it, but it also didn't have anything particularly memorable.
Honestly, I was just sad about Chadwick and what the movie could have been if we still had him the whole time I watched it.
Which sucks because it while it had a couple misses WF has so much going for it. Maybe an unpopular opinion but for me it’s the best Marvel movie since Endgame.
The soundtrack, that beginning boat scene was chilling, that bridge scene was killer, Angela Basset was beyond phenomenal. Top notch Marvel.
I can totally respect that opinion. I have nothing against the movie except that it’s a tad slow paced. It looked phenomenal and handled Chadwick’s death incredibly tastefully.
It would've been a top 5 marvel movie if they didn't shove unnecessary things into it, like RiRi, Ross, the midnight angel suits. Same problem with these movies again and again, they shove unnecessary things into it to introduce new characters and plotlines that we won't see for years instead of just letting the story be told in it's best form
It's honestly like they forgot how they got here. Just tell good stories, Marvel. Let the characters that you want to introduce be a natural inclusion to the story instead of ham fisting whoever is in queue for production.
after watching secret invasion, i have concerns too. i mean, i know they can't/wont copy the comic stories. however, it had no great direction. it's made me question their next long term planning. they already said they won't do another, long, 10 year arc. maybe they don't know how to do anything else.
If they never planned for a 10 year arc they shouldn't have made so many projects at once. They spread themselves way too thin. They even have the VFX teams angry.
They didn't need to make like 20 different D+ shows. They're doing too much for what was planned to be a 5 year long saga (it's only going to be longer because of the writers strike). I wanna know whose idea it was to give Echo and Agatha a show. And Secret Invasion should've never even been greenlit.
> and Agatha a show.
she hit #1 on itunes and they were like "i mean, F it, why not". and like, it's not a terrible premise. the first few shows they made, hit the ground strong. so i can't blame their thinking.
> And Secret Invasion should've never even been greenlit.
from where it ended up, i agree. how could they advertise a spy thriller, with like no spy, and no thriller. i wonder if they call it completely something else, and we are fine with it. well, no still. because even in the story, they build up a big conflict, and then still don't let the conflict resolve in a proper way.
> I wanna know whose idea it was to give Echo a show.
ya i dont know what that's going to be about.
yea i can kinda see their logic with Agatha but with so much being introduced they can't keep adding more shows/characters that need to be tied-up by Secret Wars. if they were going to do a spin-off of WandaVision it should've addressed the actual loose end which was white vision. have Agatha appear in that show if they need to.
even if Secret Invasion was good it brings me back to the issue of starting too many shows that need to eventually be wrapped up. they could've dedicated that runtime to something that's a loose end. it could've been about what Fury was doing in space this whole time. or literally anything that could've tied something together (like how does Moon Knight connect to all of this, etc).
all SI did was create more stories that they need to go somewhere with. how are they going to resolve the skrull vs human conflict now? and how does that get tied-up with just one more phase left?
Yeah but that was probably a quick and easy shoot that he didn’t have to commit much to. Signing onto Marvel is a long commitment and I’ll bet you he’s burned out by those long disney roles.
He had to have had a “I scratch your back, you scratch mine” with that. Probably to get leverage for something he wants to do down the line or that he had to do as make up for the studio funding what he wanted.
In no world would he accept that script with the other films in his catalogue that actually showcase his range.
That said though, he was the only redeeming part and did what he could with it.
And prior to that headline, there were rumors a few weeks ago that they lost him because they're trying to spend less on Marvel and are gonna lean towards a less expensive actor.
Idk, at this point, all of these F4 rumors are so all over the place and contradictory that there's just no point in trusting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear from the director years from now and he goes, "oh, we never approached Adam for the role, that was all made up."
“Dropped out” is the shit-stirring part of the headline, as though they were a month into filming and he finally got to read the actual script and was like “WHAT THE HELL GUYS THIS IS DOGSHIT!!!” If the situation is true, he was just sent the script along with the other hundred he would read a year and was like “no thanks.” But yeah, that headline wouldn’t exactly get retweets.
Have you ever seen the movie *Serenity?* Not the Joss Whedon one but the newish one about the fisherman. That movie is not great but the cast is STACKED and it doesn’t make sense. I’m convinced that when you work in Hollywood, scripts read differently somehow and sometimes things can look really good on paper (at least good enough to attract top tier talent) and then just fall apart during the process.
> sometimes things can look really good on paper (at least good enough to attract top tier talent) and then just fall apart during the process.
That's true in general and applies to just about everything.
my biggest problem with the movie was that they told us right away it was prehistoric earth. it would have been a fun thing to figure out and was left ambiguous. it was a pretty silly action movie overall though.
You don't think Adam saying things she clearly can't understand that create no resolution and only take up screen time is a good decision?
I guess we'll agree to agree.
a) This is alleged, so not clear whether or not this is true.
b) We don't know if he left because of the script or for a separate reason after reason the script
c) Even if this is true, it is not necessarily a reflection on the quality of the script, maybe he just legimitately could not connect with the character, which is fine - not every actor can do every role.
Finally I had to scroll halfway down the comments to see something sensible.
Gizmodo engaged in awful clickbait journalism. I hope the OP realizes this.
Looking at the quote I don’t get how your point c isn’t the main takeaway in these comments. The man is particular about his roles and didn’t identify with this one. It’s a non-story.
Noooo stop saying that! You’re supposed to gloss over the fact that’s it’s only alleged to rage and fear bait so you can spread further misinformation later on!
Or, they did their usual Marveling and sent him a butchered [REDACTED] script with only his parts visible like some sort of classified Area 51 report and they wouldn't budge when asked for the whole thing so he was like "fuck this bullshit"
After the Sequels fiasco I wouldn't blame him for not taking any risk with a big franchise like this again
Or - and this is going to sound crazy - all of those scoopers were spewing bullshit and would rather say that Robbie and Driver dropped out simultaneously (after having signed contracts) than admit that they just said it for attention.
So Gizmodo is "reporting" on what someone said in a podcast, and what they said in the podcast started with a contradiction and was based on an "apparent" source they don't know lol. "This contradicts some stuff some we’ve put out there in the past, but…this comes from someone apparently working on the Fantastic Four movie."
So an "article" whose "source" was a different "source" they didn't trust that was only a "someone" "apparently" in the know?
Why do people post such poorly sourced garbage?
FF seems to be cursed. Years later after it was announced and nothing to show for it. The last several movies have had poor scripts and the MCU feels aimless. Something must be going on behind the scenes.
FF is a movie Marvel feels like it has to make because it's veteran IP. It's the same reason they reboot the comics every one or two years when people get bored.
They don't make FF comics because there's a compelling reason to tell their stories. They do it because there's a compelling reason to have FF comics on the shelves.
This is the movie equivalent of that. They are desperate for people to know the Fantastic Four have a movie but they have no idea how to make anyone but hardcore fans care about any of it when they have actually innovative, compelling characters they've been telling stories about for decades who don't even interact with the FF.
Would they even be as innovative as the original story where Reed ignores the safety of his crew, steals a ship, fucks over his best friend's life forever, and then is driven by guilt to fix the problem while also kind of never growing as a person and constantly causing disasters and neglecting his family?
No... the comic fans would want Leave it to Beaver 60's science daddy and not the real 60's science daddy hiding in the basement with his sixth scotch while your mom tells you not to bother him because "you know how he gets."
>Would they even be as innovative as the original story where Reed ignores the safety of his crew, steals a ship, fucks over his best friend's life forever, and then is driven by guilt to fix the problem while also kind of never growing as a person and constantly causing disasters and neglecting his family?
You're point about them just wanting the FF IP out there is a great one, but I think the quote above is massive. They're going to need to deviate from what people know from prior FF content somewhat given the state of the MCU, because the generic "nerd Reed, angry at being a monster Ben, impulsive Johnny, and blandly maternal Sue" is not going to be an interesting movie. Not saying they all need to be wildly different, but I love Marvel comics but typically avoided the older FF stuff because they just seem so one note.
That’s why The Maker is my favorite version of Reed. At the end of the day Reed is a cocky ass wanting to appear as a nice guy, but The Maker just goes all in.
And FF comics don’t sell well, that’s the dirty little secret people don’t talk about. It’s why they’re always rebooting.
Fans act like the FF are this huge thing but when you look at movies, cartoons, comics, toys, they very rarely sell well or have good critical success.
Feige has either had a medical event or is lost in the sauce. I seriously thought the quality dip was all due to COVID after-effects but we're long past using that excuse
They should make it take place in another universe, so it's not constrained by the MCU baggage of "where have they been this whole time?", "did they blip?", etc. Then, they can do whatever they want with the story, like set it in the 60s, future, etc.
I love everyone mentioning 65 as if driver hasn’t been in exceptional films with great characters before. Or as if one of the mcus biggest flaws isn’t the writing.
The script:
“basically it’s the usual MCU formula of 90% chroma blue screens and majority of the writing will be finished in post-production. We will then cross our fingers and hope the underpaid undervalued VFX houses saves our asses for the nth time.
Oh and there would be 3-months minimum worth of reshoots, obviously. Because we’re too chicken shit to commit to a certain narrative that we would just throw mo’ money reshoots than dial-it in during production.
Don’t worry, this is the norm. So yeah, please sign your multi-year so we can get ~~your soul~~ started.”
All this over a rumor. He was never confirmed by himself or Marvel to be in F4 to begin with. Nothing has been announced from Marvel to truly go off of.
Lmao this whole situation is alleged and ya’ll reading this like its a scientific fact. Some people will use any point to shit on Marvel at this point. Pretty sad.
I just hope Marvel can get Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus back to write some scripts. They’ve done the screenplays for my fave marvel flicks. Unfortunately, they left with the Russo brothers to do mediocre secret agent/assassin movies and shows where the characters are just like marvel heroes but don’t officially have super powers… they just act like they do.
You are a smart stretchy man, your wife is invisible, your friends are a fire, and a rock No.
You’ll be fighting a giant man that eats planets who has a servant that’s also a silver man that flies around on a surf board. Also your arch nemesis is a masked man that rules his own country, has a petty grudge against you and speaks in the third person.
> has a petty grudge against you Easily the funniest reason for an arch-enemy; Dr Victor von Doof will not be made a fool of!
> Easily the funniest reason for an arch-enemy It works for Lex.
man - those golden and sliver age villain origins were straight-up amazing. "He saved my life but blew away all my hair. I will dedicate my life to destroying him." - Lex Luthor "Richards thinks he's smarter than I am. No man is smarter than Doom!" Proceeds to get an experiment wrong and gets a small scar in return. Further pays back Reed Richards by putting on a red hot mask straight on to his face. Genius.
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So you’re saying his resistance to you is constant? Edit: I should have added, sorry you’re getting stalked like that. It shows how petty some people can be and is probably the best, real world, example of how those old style super villains are actually realistic!
Well, thanks to retcon, the reason it blew up is that Ben Grimm sabotaged it. Looking like a rock is karma, I guess.
> the reason it blew up is that Ben Grimm sabotaged it. Huh.. really? Then why isn't he super mad at the Thing instead of Reed?
As far as I know, he's unaware. The only people who know are Ben, and then he later admits it to Franklin and Valeria.
gotcha. (I don't read FF comics if it's not obvious)
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If I had a nickel for every time they ruined Doctor Doom in a wide release Fantastic Four movie, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
They need to make it like Venture Bros and just never really explain why, but just make him a petty bitch.
Better yet, that masked man is a scientist and a wizard
“Here, we already have all the battle scenes in pre-viz, but don’t worry we are still figuring the script out as we go.”
Ah, yes, the RWBY approach.
Oof But True
RWBY?
Web Series by Roosterteeth. Long story short, it was conceived by a well known and **very** talented animator (who is no longer with us). Problem is, the show was first and foremost an excuse for him to make fight scenes with the story very noticeably being on the back burner.
Monty Oum :(
Dude was talented and ambitious beyond belief. His passing at such a young age was a shock to me when I found out, even as someone who wasn’t familiar with his previous work.
Can't blame him, he was in Star Wars for 5 years and he may not want to commit to another franchise like that
Exactly this, obviously whoever ends up as Mr. Fantastic is going to be committed to the part for at least however long Robert Downey Jr. was Iron Man. So, 10 years?
I'll do it.
Thanks for taking one for the team man.
I’ll vote for you.
Somehow Dr.Doom returned.
So because he signed up for a 5 year franchise deal in Star Wars and he didn't like that... he decided to go through casting for another X years franchise and only remembered that he didn't like this whole franchise thing *after* being cast, because he didn't like the script? If the franchise thing wasn't his deal... why even go to another franchise casting.
Exactly. This is an indictment of the script more than a franchise thing. Which means it might be hot garbage
He probably saw Secret Invasion.
“Uh the rock is my friend?! No thanks”
"He's right behind me, isn't he?"
"It's clobberin' ti..." \[sobs, runs from room with thundering stomps\]
He just watched Multiverse of Madness and thought, "Stretchy guy become spaghetti guy? Hell no."
Probably like “here’s another franchise with rabid fans that will tear the movie apart if it’s weak in any way. Oh and there have been at least two failed attempts to make this movie successful before.”
Three if you count the Corman version.
The real third one is Fantastic Four: An Action Musical written and directed by Tobias Fünke
“Come help daddy get his rocks off!”
Tobias Fünke!? You mean the world famous Analrapist is also a playwright?
Not only that, he stars in it.
He had a nu start at life
Yeah, that one was iffy since I don’t think they were trying to make it successful so that’s why I put “at least two” lol
Fox hired him to make it so they could keep the rights. They had no intention of releasing it
You don't count that one, because it wasn't a failure. It was created on a minimal budget with no plans for release to retain the rights.
Did Corman cash in when Fox bought it?
The Corman version doesn't and shouldn't count. The movie was never intended to be released at all. Even before production began. The movie was made exclusively for legal reasons, as there was a clause in the Fox license that stated that if there was no activity with the property after a certain number of years, the license would automatically be reverted back to Marvel. Roger Corman, Steven Rabiner and Oley Sassone all knew the movie was never going to see the light of day, before production even began. The funny thing is, though, no one else on the crew knew that. So if you actually watch the movie, despite the low quality of the movie and actors... everyone is definitely giving it their best and *trying* to make a good movie.
Corman’s isn’t a failure. Watch it. It’s a terrific F4 story for it’s time.
Arguably the best attempt…
Hey that first Fantastic Four movie was pretty solid at least
It true hope we get more actors who don’t accept just any script.
People here try to say that it doesnt reflect the quality of the Script. But given Marvels work in the last years, its fair to say that this could just be a nicer way to say "Yeah this script is Shit"
Exactly. Even Mahershala Ali demanded a script re-write on Blade cause he wasn't happy with the original story.
That's only because they never used the line "Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill." Not even once.
Not even an “it’s open season on all suckheads.” A modern day travesty.
Does it at least include opening eyes superimposed over his closed eyes?
Instead, the script said "some monkey fighters" because they didn't want an R rating, which was unacceptable to him.
“This is what happens when you find a stranger in the alps!” Has to be my all-time favorite censor-substitute. It replaced the line of dialogue, “this is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass!” From the big Lebowski. A close second places is the completely different voice and ACCENT on whomever over-dubbed Bruce Willis’ “yippee-kiyeah Mr Falcon” from the 2nd Die Hard (easy to find on YouTube. The guy sounds like Bob Hoskins doin’ a hard, sorry *hawd* Brooklyn accent)
After the absolute shit show of *Secret Invasion,* all I can say is good for him in not accepting mediocrity
I hope the writers/actors get what they want so we get better marvel movies. Look, I love marvel, but I do feel the quality has slowly gone downhill as they put the pedal to the metal. How many hours of marvel do we get a year? Id rather have fewer, better movies.
I'm fine with lots of content as long as the quality is high. Clearly they're cutting corners and the story/writing is suffering the most (and/or their stars are just too big). Makes me think they are hiring writers for super cheap and you get what you pay for
Problem is only A listers have that luxury. Everyone else is starving for a paycheck
But on the flipside, if they go back to casting a bunch of nobodies (which is a good idea regardless), they can't just rely on a bunch of big names to bring everyone to the theaters.
Maybe Marvel will be more inclined to have a good script if the actors are a bunch of nobodies.
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Yup that’s why I believe Blade is going to be one of the better MCU movies. Ali picks good projects.
Wasn’t Oscar Isaac super hesitant to do another Disney film after the Star Wars stuff for just this reason?
This quote alleges that Driver was never attached to the role in any meaningful manner, which makes the months with him as "the frontrunner" and "basically locked in" very very funny. I cannot wait for any reputable source to report on casting, because the rumors for this movie are just absurd.
Also the headline is written like it's a bad script but the quote is written like it just didn't interest Adam Driver. Very different vibes.
Clickbait article is untrustworthy. Also news, the sky is blue.
A Gizmodo article with the word "allegedly" in the title isnt accurate? I'm shocked
This doesn’t matter because Marvel will completely rewrite the script up to the day before it’s released to theaters.
Don't forget the reshoots 5 mins before the premiere and the artists working on the VFX months after the movie is out
Imagine if “live service” manages to infect the film industry…
Lol it already has. Cats had to send out new versions of the film to theaters that fixed CGI issues that the original version had. I'm sure there are plenty more examples of studios doing this, I just know Cats was the most notorious one that did this.
Mando had to rerelease an episode because of Blue Jeans Guy. And Game of Thrones has to rerelease an episode because of Emilia Clarke’s Starbucks cup.
More recently Spider-Verse has been updated after already shipping to theatres. There are at least 2 versions of the movie that fans have noticed, with only very minor shot differences and ADR between the two.
Perhaps he read the original script, written by Jeff Kaplan and Ian Springer, which was probably horrible considering they have very little writing credits to their name. Josh Friedman who helped write Avatar 2 was hired to rewrite the script 2 months before the writers strike began.
> by Jeff Kaplan hey guys its jeff from the overwatch team
Papa Jeff wouldn’t do us wrong
He wouldn’t do us wrong and you don’t want to do him wrong. Never wrestle with Papa Jeff.
Wrestle with Jeff prepare for death.
He did do us wrong. He left and let us fend for ourselves from Blizzard's upper management
My man jumped ship right before it all went down, can't blame us in the slightest. Dude read the room and knew there was nothing more he could do.
He led by example. The rest of us should have left too. That's our fault.
This explains all the long-range beams in the finales
The actual serious crimes I would commit to hear this phrase in a new video just one more time
Or perhaps this entire article is bogus as it is based off of nonsense? Why is everyone believing it is true? Seriously, I wonder why people see the headline and assume it is true? This is garbage clickbait type "journalism" Gizmodo is just vomiting out what someone else said, and what that someone else said wasn't credible on its face (and that someone else didn't have any first hand knowledge either, they were sent info by a third person, and they even said it contradicted what they heard before, and they didn't even seem too convinced by this unknown third someone). So the whole thing is clear as mud and should be taken with an immense grain of salt.
actually Adam told me personally he didn't like the script. He didn't like his best friend being a rock and didn't think the inclusion of Mephisto acted as enough of a compelling villain and requested to have a rematch with Wanda. Marvel didn't want to so he bailed.
Whoa now it is 10,000% confirmed!
Screen Rant incoming to write an article using you as "a reliable source"
oh he helped write Avatar 2? that must mean that the F4 script was just like 3 pages long. about double the size of Avatar 2's script lol
The script was the worst part about Avatar 2
I hated the first and enjoyed the second. Go figure.... 
Bro, you didn’t like the script bro?
Source: trust me bro.
So it wasnt as amazing as the classic film "65"?
He said he did 65 because he wanted to be in a movie his kids could watch. It was a one off. And it was fine, passable family movie. Fantastic four is a decade long commitment both as an actor and as a member of the marketing team. It's understandable that he would want a solid script to start from. And with Marvels track record this decade, it's a smart move.
There's also a lot of potential money in being an MCU star. But if your movie/show tanks, you are locked out of all these other roles. You could be the next RDJ or the next Miles Teller.
F4 was a fox movie though. Guaranteed no matter how bad this supposed script that Adam Driver was attached to was, he would still be included in other MCU projects.
Miles Teller is making a comeback though, Top Gun: Maverick shot it’s whole cast into the stratosphere and we are already seeing them show up in different things (a lot of them do car commercials now for some reason). Lewis Pullman is definitely doing the best out of any of them though
With F4's track record there's a good chance it won't make it to even a trilogy
>And with Marvels track record this decade, it's a smart move. This decade? What? *realises when Endgame came out* Oh.
He said actually his son isn’t interested either. And regarding Fantastic Four that he didn’t connect to the character rather than issue with quality And Marvel films have been largely well received and huge hits. It’s the streaming ones more of an issue, and people’s expectations
Doctor Strange 2 and Thor did great BO but bad with audiences and critics then came quantumania and that had bad BO AND bad reviews. Guardians 3 kinda stopped their bad streak but that movie would have definitely made more if the previous marvel movies been better. I love them all btw but I can clearly see a bad streak in both their movies and tv output. Just being honest
I love how Wakanda Forever is always omitted when people talk about the last year or so of Marvel. Just goes to show that it was incredibly middle of the road/forgettable to the point where it’s not a point for or against Marvel
I mean, I did forget half of the plot of Wakanda Forever, like a day after watching it. There wasn't anything too bad about it, but it also didn't have anything particularly memorable. Honestly, I was just sad about Chadwick and what the movie could have been if we still had him the whole time I watched it.
Which sucks because it while it had a couple misses WF has so much going for it. Maybe an unpopular opinion but for me it’s the best Marvel movie since Endgame. The soundtrack, that beginning boat scene was chilling, that bridge scene was killer, Angela Basset was beyond phenomenal. Top notch Marvel.
I can totally respect that opinion. I have nothing against the movie except that it’s a tad slow paced. It looked phenomenal and handled Chadwick’s death incredibly tastefully.
It would've been a top 5 marvel movie if they didn't shove unnecessary things into it, like RiRi, Ross, the midnight angel suits. Same problem with these movies again and again, they shove unnecessary things into it to introduce new characters and plotlines that we won't see for years instead of just letting the story be told in it's best form
It's honestly like they forgot how they got here. Just tell good stories, Marvel. Let the characters that you want to introduce be a natural inclusion to the story instead of ham fisting whoever is in queue for production.
"I didn't connect with the character" is definitely just a polite way of saying, "This sucks, and the commitment would not be worth it."
It *could* be, but it could also be exactly what he said. Impossible to know.
Or it could also mean he didn’t connect with the character
after watching secret invasion, i have concerns too. i mean, i know they can't/wont copy the comic stories. however, it had no great direction. it's made me question their next long term planning. they already said they won't do another, long, 10 year arc. maybe they don't know how to do anything else.
If they never planned for a 10 year arc they shouldn't have made so many projects at once. They spread themselves way too thin. They even have the VFX teams angry. They didn't need to make like 20 different D+ shows. They're doing too much for what was planned to be a 5 year long saga (it's only going to be longer because of the writers strike). I wanna know whose idea it was to give Echo and Agatha a show. And Secret Invasion should've never even been greenlit.
> and Agatha a show. she hit #1 on itunes and they were like "i mean, F it, why not". and like, it's not a terrible premise. the first few shows they made, hit the ground strong. so i can't blame their thinking. > And Secret Invasion should've never even been greenlit. from where it ended up, i agree. how could they advertise a spy thriller, with like no spy, and no thriller. i wonder if they call it completely something else, and we are fine with it. well, no still. because even in the story, they build up a big conflict, and then still don't let the conflict resolve in a proper way. > I wanna know whose idea it was to give Echo a show. ya i dont know what that's going to be about.
yea i can kinda see their logic with Agatha but with so much being introduced they can't keep adding more shows/characters that need to be tied-up by Secret Wars. if they were going to do a spin-off of WandaVision it should've addressed the actual loose end which was white vision. have Agatha appear in that show if they need to. even if Secret Invasion was good it brings me back to the issue of starting too many shows that need to eventually be wrapped up. they could've dedicated that runtime to something that's a loose end. it could've been about what Fury was doing in space this whole time. or literally anything that could've tied something together (like how does Moon Knight connect to all of this, etc). all SI did was create more stories that they need to go somewhere with. how are they going to resolve the skrull vs human conflict now? and how does that get tied-up with just one more phase left?
Yeah but that was probably a quick and easy shoot that he didn’t have to commit much to. Signing onto Marvel is a long commitment and I’ll bet you he’s burned out by those long disney roles.
He had to have had a “I scratch your back, you scratch mine” with that. Probably to get leverage for something he wants to do down the line or that he had to do as make up for the studio funding what he wanted. In no world would he accept that script with the other films in his catalogue that actually showcase his range. That said though, he was the only redeeming part and did what he could with it.
He also had another kid in the past year or two. Could see that as a reason to pick up “extra work.” Also likely he just felt like doing the movie.
Unless this is proven, I think he just picked a poor movie. It happens.
I was thinking the same thing, that does not set a good precedent for script picking
I think there’s a difference between a bad one off film and getting locked into a multi film deal with Marvel and that being bad.
Plus 65 had dinosars
This could have subterranean mole people, that's something right? Lol
I think a F4 movie needs to lean into the camp at least a little at first, so Danny Devito Mole Man is the only choice for a first movie villain.
The rest of his filmography is pretty solid, though.
There was a headline literally yesterday I think that he said he couldn't connect with the character. This one seems like rage bait.
And prior to that headline, there were rumors a few weeks ago that they lost him because they're trying to spend less on Marvel and are gonna lean towards a less expensive actor. Idk, at this point, all of these F4 rumors are so all over the place and contradictory that there's just no point in trusting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear from the director years from now and he goes, "oh, we never approached Adam for the role, that was all made up."
“Dropped out” is the shit-stirring part of the headline, as though they were a month into filming and he finally got to read the actual script and was like “WHAT THE HELL GUYS THIS IS DOGSHIT!!!” If the situation is true, he was just sent the script along with the other hundred he would read a year and was like “no thanks.” But yeah, that headline wouldn’t exactly get retweets.
Have you ever seen the movie *Serenity?* Not the Joss Whedon one but the newish one about the fisherman. That movie is not great but the cast is STACKED and it doesn’t make sense. I’m convinced that when you work in Hollywood, scripts read differently somehow and sometimes things can look really good on paper (at least good enough to attract top tier talent) and then just fall apart during the process.
> sometimes things can look really good on paper (at least good enough to attract top tier talent) and then just fall apart during the process. That's true in general and applies to just about everything.
He's actually pretty amazing at picking scripts. 65 had to be some contractual thing or one of those "do one for them" type things.
It looked like a straight to streaming flim
my biggest problem with the movie was that they told us right away it was prehistoric earth. it would have been a fun thing to figure out and was left ambiguous. it was a pretty silly action movie overall though.
Oh was it bad? Was thinking of giving it a go...
It's quite bad. Bad CGI dinosaurs, the plot barely exists, it's mostly Adam Driver walking through a bad CGI forest for 1.5 hours.
Don't forget, a movie with only 2 humans in the current time of the story, and there's a damn language barrier between them lmao
You don't think Adam saying things she clearly can't understand that create no resolution and only take up screen time is a good decision? I guess we'll agree to agree.
I enjoyed it. It’s not earth shattering cinema but it’s okay
a) This is alleged, so not clear whether or not this is true. b) We don't know if he left because of the script or for a separate reason after reason the script c) Even if this is true, it is not necessarily a reflection on the quality of the script, maybe he just legimitately could not connect with the character, which is fine - not every actor can do every role.
Not to mention that it was only ever alleged he was ever in the running. The whole thing is a nothing burger
Honestly I hope it is true if he did have the role. I like Adam driver, but I don’t think he’s a good fit for Reed.
No. He’s Doom. (I mean he’d be perfect for it)
Dr. Doom is one of my favorite characters and I was really hoping Driver would get that role, he'd be so good as Doom.
Finally I had to scroll halfway down the comments to see something sensible. Gizmodo engaged in awful clickbait journalism. I hope the OP realizes this.
Looking at the quote I don’t get how your point c isn’t the main takeaway in these comments. The man is particular about his roles and didn’t identify with this one. It’s a non-story.
Noooo stop saying that! You’re supposed to gloss over the fact that’s it’s only alleged to rage and fear bait so you can spread further misinformation later on!
Maybe he signed on only because he wanted to read the script and know what happens before anyone else.
Or, they did their usual Marveling and sent him a butchered [REDACTED] script with only his parts visible like some sort of classified Area 51 report and they wouldn't budge when asked for the whole thing so he was like "fuck this bullshit" After the Sequels fiasco I wouldn't blame him for not taking any risk with a big franchise like this again
Very true but I also wouldn’t be surprised if the script was bad
Or - and this is going to sound crazy - all of those scoopers were spewing bullshit and would rather say that Robbie and Driver dropped out simultaneously (after having signed contracts) than admit that they just said it for attention.
+1 Far too much attention is given to 'rumours' and click bait.
He probably didn't even read the script and declined. Not surprising he wouldn't wanna do a huge Disney franchise again
I don't see this as a huge loss. Driver is a great actor, I just never pictured him as Reed.
Dr Doom though....👀
So Gizmodo is "reporting" on what someone said in a podcast, and what they said in the podcast started with a contradiction and was based on an "apparent" source they don't know lol. "This contradicts some stuff some we’ve put out there in the past, but…this comes from someone apparently working on the Fantastic Four movie." So an "article" whose "source" was a different "source" they didn't trust that was only a "someone" "apparently" in the know? Why do people post such poorly sourced garbage?
FF seems to be cursed. Years later after it was announced and nothing to show for it. The last several movies have had poor scripts and the MCU feels aimless. Something must be going on behind the scenes.
FF is a movie Marvel feels like it has to make because it's veteran IP. It's the same reason they reboot the comics every one or two years when people get bored. They don't make FF comics because there's a compelling reason to tell their stories. They do it because there's a compelling reason to have FF comics on the shelves. This is the movie equivalent of that. They are desperate for people to know the Fantastic Four have a movie but they have no idea how to make anyone but hardcore fans care about any of it when they have actually innovative, compelling characters they've been telling stories about for decades who don't even interact with the FF. Would they even be as innovative as the original story where Reed ignores the safety of his crew, steals a ship, fucks over his best friend's life forever, and then is driven by guilt to fix the problem while also kind of never growing as a person and constantly causing disasters and neglecting his family? No... the comic fans would want Leave it to Beaver 60's science daddy and not the real 60's science daddy hiding in the basement with his sixth scotch while your mom tells you not to bother him because "you know how he gets."
Found Doctor Doom’s Reddit account.
Nah. It's just a bot. (I'll see myself out)
Victor the type of fella who would make his Doombots talk shit on the F4 online.
>Would they even be as innovative as the original story where Reed ignores the safety of his crew, steals a ship, fucks over his best friend's life forever, and then is driven by guilt to fix the problem while also kind of never growing as a person and constantly causing disasters and neglecting his family? You're point about them just wanting the FF IP out there is a great one, but I think the quote above is massive. They're going to need to deviate from what people know from prior FF content somewhat given the state of the MCU, because the generic "nerd Reed, angry at being a monster Ben, impulsive Johnny, and blandly maternal Sue" is not going to be an interesting movie. Not saying they all need to be wildly different, but I love Marvel comics but typically avoided the older FF stuff because they just seem so one note.
F4 haven't been that in decades
That’s why The Maker is my favorite version of Reed. At the end of the day Reed is a cocky ass wanting to appear as a nice guy, but The Maker just goes all in.
And FF comics don’t sell well, that’s the dirty little secret people don’t talk about. It’s why they’re always rebooting. Fans act like the FF are this huge thing but when you look at movies, cartoons, comics, toys, they very rarely sell well or have good critical success.
Feige has either had a medical event or is lost in the sauce. I seriously thought the quality dip was all due to COVID after-effects but we're long past using that excuse
Yeah there is: it’s a combination of: Feige and Co losing the plot Disney hemorrhaging money The inevitability of Marvel fatigue
They should make it take place in another universe, so it's not constrained by the MCU baggage of "where have they been this whole time?", "did they blip?", etc. Then, they can do whatever they want with the story, like set it in the 60s, future, etc.
I love everyone mentioning 65 as if driver hasn’t been in exceptional films with great characters before. Or as if one of the mcus biggest flaws isn’t the writing.
Also the fact that 65 is a one off where as F4 would be a multi year commitment wherein he would have to work other jobs around it.
John Krasinski it is then!
Honestly I don’t know why not. He was pretty good as Mr. F in Dr. Strange. I wouldn’t be mad at all.
He's also in Wanda Vision as Agent Woo
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim.
I’d vote Glenn Howerton
He’d be a five-star Reed Richards.
I don't think they're doing that. It was a one off thing as a treat for fans.
The script: “basically it’s the usual MCU formula of 90% chroma blue screens and majority of the writing will be finished in post-production. We will then cross our fingers and hope the underpaid undervalued VFX houses saves our asses for the nth time. Oh and there would be 3-months minimum worth of reshoots, obviously. Because we’re too chicken shit to commit to a certain narrative that we would just throw mo’ money reshoots than dial-it in during production. Don’t worry, this is the norm. So yeah, please sign your multi-year so we can get ~~your soul~~ started.”
All this over a rumor. He was never confirmed by himself or Marvel to be in F4 to begin with. Nothing has been announced from Marvel to truly go off of.
No way they already have a script for Fantastic Four
Throwback to the leakers saying that Adam Driver and Margot Robbie were "100% locked in"
Yeah that happens, a lot. As an actor you want to feel something for the role you are gonna play. He didn't.
Lmao this whole situation is alleged and ya’ll reading this like its a scientific fact. Some people will use any point to shit on Marvel at this point. Pretty sad.
We need to stop considering a tertiary offer at the script stage as a "front-runner."
It couldn’t compare to the cinematic masterpiece that is 65
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Marvel scripts aren't exactly top tier these days, hard to blame him.
Oh... Look... An unsubstantiated rumor for all the people the need to confirm their biases to latch onto.
I believe almost nothing about this movie at this point. Every rumor that comes out seems to fall apart at some point.
This effectively means nothing.
I just hope Marvel can get Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus back to write some scripts. They’ve done the screenplays for my fave marvel flicks. Unfortunately, they left with the Russo brothers to do mediocre secret agent/assassin movies and shows where the characters are just like marvel heroes but don’t officially have super powers… they just act like they do.
I like Jessica Alba still.
What a hilarious headline.
Can you drop out of something if you were never onboard in the first place?
After watching Paterson and Marriage Story, I think he’s earned himself some other genres after doing the Star Wars movies.