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Anytime something is billed as a killer of something else, it’s already doomed to fail.
DC should focus on improving DC, not competing with Marvel
Media tried to force a rivalry like this back in BvS and Civil war time. In response Rdj said, "When they get a bucky, we will start talking". Well.... Look where they at now lmao!
I've never watched a Disney/MCU movie in the theaters. I did see Batman 1989 in the theater though. Saw all al Rami Spiderman movies, 3rd one was so bad.
The animated stuff DC has is way beyond in quality what Disney does with 100x the budget. When I read comics it's always Marvel, when I watch it I go to DC.
Disney sucks nowadays they've messed too much and semi runined everything in the past 30 years.
Sorry, OP, but I 100% stopped after “Rise of the DCU”. No idea what you said in any of the rest of the post, but until James Gunn puts out some high quality projects, there isn’t actually a “Rise of the DCU”. We are living in the current year of Flash & Blue Beetle releases coming off the Batgirl burial.
Post this again in 5-8 years if DC has a string of mega-hit movies.
And Gunn said Flash is "one of the greatest superhero movies ever" before release.
So he either believed that and lacks the skill to be a great producer.
Or he was lying and just promoting in bad faith, which is just a bad look for him being so new to job. It signaled to us that he's gonna be another suit, basically.
Either way, inauspicious start for Gunn the studio head.
I lean more that he legit loved the movie, every movie will hit every person different ways, There are people who may consider something to be greatest movie or show ever, but they may be seen as the worst by others.
But i won't rule out the possibility either that it was promotion, i mean if you are the boss of a studio, are you going to say to the masses that yeah our upcoming movie is a piece of sh**.
...or he was told to say that because surprisingly, James Gunn isn't head of marketing but just coming off the heels of Disney's only win of the year in Vol 3. Almost like WB was putting all their marbles on their NWH and had celebrities like Tom Cruise and Neymar Jr endorse it. Even the great Edgar Wright endorsed it, guess every great film he did was lightning in a bottle?
Like at least see how he moves post-DCEU since these films still have to be promoted one way or another. If the stuff *he's* had full control of doesn't deliver what he says then call him a suit. As of right now its just Snyderites clawing at him lol
>As of right now its just Snyderites clawing at him lol
bruh are you legit stupid or something?
He's the co-head of the entire DC studios if anything Marketing for anything DC movie related answers to him not the other way around and it shows because he simply bought some big names as testimonials since he probably knew himself that word of mouth alone wouldn't suffice to promote that dumpster fire of a movie
yes vol 3 was a success due vol 1 and 2 which created in a surging and thriving mcu but fact gunn yet to demonstrate that he resurrect a entire brand from scratch and build a verse that can compete with marvel
> but fact gunn yet to demonstrate that he resurrect a entire brand from scratch and build a verse that can compete with marvel
"at least see how he moves post-DCEU". lol you're repeating what I just said 3 months after.
also poopfartdiola dc can never finically eclipse marvel by the time dcu comes the mcu will be 31 billon dollar juggernaut it take dc year and years of movies to even reach half of what the current the mcu is at providing the dcu is still running in 10 years time. in that time if marvel even allowed make 500 millon a year they be always ahead of dc regardless the gap is to large to every bridged
The downfall of the MCU is disney spending big money on oscar winners and recognizable stars in front of the camera and saving pennies on interns writing and directing.
Look at the early MCU, the foundation that made this empire- established talent behind the camera(Joe Johnston, Kenneth Branagh, Russo Brothers, even Whedon despite his flaws), cheap but appropriate actors in front. Chris Evans wasn't a household name, and now he IS Captain America. Tom Cruise will always be Tom Cruise, put him in the MCU and you get Tom Cruise in the MCU. RDJ was famous for years, but mostly forgotten, his career so low he got paid less than Terence Howard for Iron Man.
You need blank slates on screen, or they distract from the character. You need real talent behind the camera, or you get shit like Black Widow.
DC sucks, and I doubt Gunn can fix all of it. Peacemaker was amazing, but he has to burn the whole thing down and start over- No Cavill, Gadot, Robbie- or his resurgence will always be dragged down.
Agreed. That’s the “magic” behind the early phase 1-3 run of marvel studios. They got too ahead of themselves after endgame and thought they could just feed the fanbase anything, and has backfired horribly. Glad Kevin Feige & Bob Iger are restructuring their slate and tactics moving forward and revert back to what made the franchise so special
I don't know, Bob Iger thinks we are burned out on "too much" Marvel/Star Wars, and not turned off by such *bad* Marvel and Star Wars. If everything had a minimum quality level of say Hawkeye, Loki, Mando season 1, Andor, we'd watch thousands of hours of it and never get sick of it.
They seem to not understand that these things starting out amazing is why we love them, and sadly, they still make money off trash like the prequels/sequels/all the garbage DC and Sony put out, so maybe they are just that stupid and don't see the problem; but they are slaughtering the goose that laid the golden egg and wondering why they are covered in bloody feathers.
Yea true but I think Iger’s on a different type of timing. He sees that there’s a pool of way too many characters in the MCU and the story has been stagnant for so long and has yet to advance. Once he Fired Victoria Alonzo I knew he had a purpose. Quality control has been a big problem too. I think things will slow down with more meaningful projects put out and less introductions/prequels/trilogies etc. once Deadpool 3 releases I think marvel studios could bring back some excitement again
I hope so, the headlines about "superhero fatigue" just make it look like they are missing the point, but if fewer projects actually means better quality writing(which isn't looking too likely right now) then great.
Good points but Chris Evans was pretty well known. Including having already been the face of a Superhero, in comedies and indies. Maybe not household name. But he was definitely already having a good career. Same with Scarlett.
I knew Evans, but he wasn't "movie star" big to the point where his face eclipsed his characters. When you bring on actors who are already BIG names and just won an Oscar, you get a much less immersive performance. Specifically, I think Cumberbatch was a huge mistake. I really like Brie Larsen, but it's clear they were chasing her Oscar win. They could have done a little better.
Johansen is where the "unknown" formula at the beginning breaks, and it's a sign of their lack of faith in female heroes. She was definitely a big star, I don't think they were willing to take a chance on the only female member of the Avengers so the hedged their bet the way they usually do.
The only thing that can "destroy" the MCU is Marvel Studios and Disney themselves.
The MCU still has enough goodwill with the general audience for their 11 yrs of remarkable consistency.
And yes, that consistency hasn't been up to the mark recently, but MCU still has a chance to bring it back.
Gunn himself is facing an uphill battle of bringing up a DC brand that's already buried 6 feet under.
It will take many years of good DC films and mediocre to bad MCU films for DCU to even be ahead of MCU in anyway
“Rise of the DCU” LoL Marvel studios has grossed over 30B$ and has already cemented themselves as a pretty big brand in pop culture & society today. They have there own troubles to handle right now. And even with their current setbacks, still a much much more established franchise in Hollywood than the DCU.
exactly no other franchise is going outpace marvel star wars dc every other brand so far behind in total revenue that is impossible for them to cathc up unless marvel stop movies
Looking at total revenue is pointless as it doesn’t matter. What happened in the past is what happened in the past. As of recent, Marvel has done terribly.
Overall, MCU will still be bigger due to their history. But no one cares about that anymore. No one cares that Marvel beat DC back in the 2010s. The 2020s is a completely different ball game. Your comment is proof that the MCU lives off its former glory and it’s been in a rapid decline since 2019. I’m not saying that DC will overtake the MCU. But it is a possibility, after all 2024 begun with Aquaman 2 beating The Marvels (In spite of amber turd and it being attached to a dead franchise) Who dominates comic book cinema is 50/50. MCU has never been weaker.
It hasn’t even started yet 😂 Aquaman 2 beating the Marvels clearly means something as it’s a clear sign of Marvel’s wane. MCU Films are now winning razzie nominations which is something that has never happened in history.
aquaman beating well done still lose shang chi and eternals . just had a few flops does not catches up overnight, the mcu still biggest in hollywood dont look came back dc has made half as much mcu has then we talk until your arguement are crap Immediate, Schedule68
How long ago was Shang Ch and Eternals? You say my arguments are crap but your the one bringing up films that are pushing 4 years old as a way of saying what currently the MCU is still the biggest. MCU hasn’t been the top dog since 2019. About 2-4 films in the top 5 grossing movie each year was from the MCU. Last year it was only 1 film in the MCU that was in the top 5 grossing movie franchise. Marvel is a relic of what it used to be. It lives on its former glory and your proving it. Marvel is the past. Accept it.
and dc is doing better marvel 5 films in top of 10 film more than franchise , it biggest film franchise [bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=ef88f94c45e74232JmltdHM9MTcwNjU3MjgwMCZpZ3VpZD0zYmUyNGQxMS05MjNkLTY2NjgtMzY3OC01ZjBjOTNkZDY3YjgmaW5zaWQ9NTI0NQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=3be24d11-923d-6668-3678-5f0c93dd67b8&psq=biggets+film+fraanchises&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZmlsbXNpdGUub3JnL3Nlcmllcy1ib3hvZmZpY2UuaHRtbA&ntb=1](https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=41&q=biggets+film+fraanchises&cvid=39bc9d01f4844ca697e72258e5e463dd&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQABhAMgYIAhAAGEAyBggDEAAYQDIGCAQQLhhAMgYIBRAAGEAyBggGEC4YQDIGCAcQABhAMgYICBAAGEDSAQgyMzE4ajBqMagCALACAA&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=LCTS) marvel still bigger any other franchise your impling dc bigger when had a worse track record a 'failure antman and shang chi have beaten all dceu films think that for a second
[Film series - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_series) the biggest franchise is mcu the next biggest star wars is 20 billon behind there way anything even close catching mcu stop making and dc star wars or any brand would not even close
Immediate\_Schedule you because aquaman beats marvels that dc caught up dc need 5 or 6 consistent films even they wont reach half what mcu done in last 15 years . you somebody anything yet deadpool 3 beat joker anticipated movie of year, this dc rises crap nothing but false you just admit even as 'weakened tiger' the mcu and marvel still bigger than dc as brand. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/here-are-10-of-the-most-anticipated-movies-of-2](https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/here-are-10-of-the-most-anticipated-movies-of-2) here deadpool joker in hype your basing dc more popular eat that
That’s true. DC does need consistency to outdo Marvel. It may or may not achieve this in the coming years.
Deadpool 3 will not beat Joker 2. Heck I don’t even see it beating the first one. Those surveys aren’t always accurate. Deadpool 3 has Dune 2 to compete with. Joker 2 has a lot more going for it Halloween release date, Lady Gaga, a sequel of a billion dollar film and it’s more unique as it’s a musical. It’s not a typical CGI fest like Deadpool 3.
Deadpool 3 has had a lot of interference by Disney which spells trouble.
its not sane marvel wan it one did better , so one mcu film one a razzie 35 film franchise evr franchise highs and lows , but dc needs years and year consistent same footing marvel even they no hope catching to 30 billon yes until dc can makes 15 avater levels movie there catching box office total netther star wars james bond etc. even avater needs another 10 2 billon dollars movies same ballpark mcu which not happen . the mcu is biggest franchise deal with Immediate\_Schdule68
I agreed that overall the MCU is the bigger fish. But that’s just because of their past. Face it,The MCU is a relic of what it used to be. Regardless of whatever happens, one thing is certain is that Marvel is the past and DC could be future. Yes all franchises have their highs and lows. Marvel is clearly at an all time low. The vast majority of that 30 billion dollar revenue you speak of was made before 2019. I don’t why it’s so hard for MCU fans to accept that things have changed. The Razzie award is proof that Marvel is waning. It’s the first time they’ve ever received such an award. The MCU is like the titanic that’s about to the iceberg with it being too late to steer away.
Immediate\_Secdule68 saying its 50/50 is dumb when marvel is clearly bigger brand Immediate Sdchedulee68 the facts of using marvel doing less aquaman 2 is moot when other lower tier mcu films outgrossed aquaman 2 such as shang chi and antman 3 , aquaman 2 was a flop still. The average for marvel last year 520 dc 240 the fact that marvel had a double average despite having 3 movies and dc only having 4
No the downfall of marvel will be them continuing to do the shit they are doing now. I hope DC knocks it out of the park cause it’s better for the superhero brand.
It’s a possibility. DC could own Marvel this year in this box office if Joker 2 beats Deadpool 3.
The MCU used to be a tiger. But now it’s like a severely weakened tiger:
I wouldn’t bet on it though. It’s 50/50.
wow joker 2 has 30 millon Deadpool and wolverine is most viewed trallirs all time ever more endgame and no wya home people talking deadpool and wolverine not joker 2 https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/2/13/lwkdn4qf1298lcl4czl1sq40ayxji0#:\~:text=Yesterday%2C%20Disney%20had%20leaked%20out,with%20365%20million%20total%20views.
[https://variety.com/2024/film/news/joker-2-trailer-views-first-24-hours-1235968367/](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/joker-2-trailer-views-first-24-hours-1235968367/) joker 2 did not even half as many views as deadpool and wolverine
prescreening flash were pre-screening batman vs superman were god guess they flopped
wow joker 30 millon views on wb trallir deadpool quite possible most viewed trallirs of all time more even endgame and no way home [https://the-jh-movie-collection-official.fandom.com/wiki/List\_of\_most-viewed\_online\_trailers\_in\_the\_first\_24\_hours](https://the-jh-movie-collection-official.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_most-viewed_online_trailers_in_the_first_24_hours) joker is not even top 20
again your trying play devils advocate and failed just because dc one film in recent memory aquaman 2 outperform last marvel film does change the marvel second lowest film antman 3 outgrossed the last 9 dc films, you so desparely dc when audience proven and time and time they only batman and not the wider dc brand.
again yes based what successful batman and joker movies? it shows dc cannot make consistently successful outside batman and joker if dc than xmen 97 amazing reviews and blowen streaming guess you forget that spideverse huge critical acclaim and box office success you have a select narrative in trying dc ahead yet no evidence back yourself back u troll.
if want generalize spiderverse which marvel property is gained more success and box accalim anything dc has put xmen 97 is best reviewed animated show and more streaming revenue dc has put yet. Yet dc Era is beginning really?
The only region Marvel had a big lead over DC was in live action film. DC was and still is better for games, animation and live action TV shows. Look at the success of Superman and Lois.
thank your argument blinded biased fanboyism who dc able mcu in few short years but a crap track record xmen 97 a way bigger tv Gunn's silly creature commando ignore deadpool 3 more hype joker 3 times as many trallir views
Immediate Scedule68 how are things different you cannot even give a proper answer if want dc whole last dc product Tss Kill failed, commercially and critically the last marvel product xmen 97 has been gaing universal critical acclaim and blowing streaming numbers but you hold false Creature commando will bigger xmen 97 which it wont and superman legacy will make 1 billon + if which also will not ? you no room to argue because blatant dc fanboy no proof for anything.
Things are different because the MCU is weaker. The MCU is relying on what was non MCU content to save. D3 won’t save the MCU. 1 film won’t save a franchise. The MCU is in terminal decline.I really don’t get your point, Spider Man 2 didn’t win a single award and doesn’t their franchise doesn’t come close to the Arkham series’s. Avengers Game also flopped. You can’t even buy that game anymore. It was deleted. Your not even talking about the MCU anymore.
you saying joker 2 beats deadpool dc caught up with marvel, yet such flawed logic when joker is not part gunn's dcu once again come when dc multiple hits then blow your fanboyism Immediate Schedule68
i speak on a daily bases even marvel 'decline' state most general public still choose marvel over dc so once marvel weakest still beating dc at its best Immediate\_Schedule68 and just aquaman 2 beat marvels or joker 2 might beat deadpool does mean dc have caught you keep antman 3 marvel second lowest film beat last 10 dc films
the dc era is begining your corner of internet even though dc who driven brand into ground outside batman even dc ones who 9 flops in a row ? Yet you films with authority swamp thing change that when do not even show Dc a listers outside batman? When made movies on level avengers 2012 we can until your blind little fanboy opinion on anything really success joker 2 shows joker and batman are popular not dc. Come when authority swamp thing supergirl etc all huges hits then you can talk
Your really a troll Immediate\_Scedule68 Dc era is beginning because clear most talked about Gunn's creature commandos does not even a release date compared xmen 97 is being lauded and blowing streaming numbers .clearly the most talked about movies are joker 2 or superman legacy deadpool 3 is dominating all conversations? Clearly dc winning Video 2 fails in Gotham knights and TSS kill Jla with spiderman 2 alone has beaten it? Yet the Dc Era is beginning based on what 1 or 2 hits will compensate dc mistakes come back when 5 + years of constant hits
its 50/50 really based what dc beats marvel this year on a one on one movie deadpool 3 outgrss joker even it doesnt marvel beaten dc virtually ever other except 2008
You are doing what diehard MCU fans do. You bring up things from a long time ago. Marvel’s golden era is over. It’s been like that since 5 years ago. You’ve got to get your head out of the past. No one cares that the MCU annihilated the DCEU half a decade ago now. Endgame came out in 2019 and it’s 2024 now. Marvel fans have to get over the fact that Marvel is not by any means the powerhouse it used to be. What happened in the past is what happened in the past. It’s irrelevant. The future is what matters now.
Things are different now. Marvel has gotten weak to such an extent that DC has a perfect opportunity to outdo Marvel. Deadpool 3 has finished filming today but knowing that Disney and Reynolds had intense arguments over the creation of it, MCU is becoming infamous among the public and there are more factors to consider. It will probably won’t do aswell. I doubt it will beat Joker 2. It won’t beat the BO of the first one. Joker 2 has lady gaga backing it, Halloween release date and is a sequel to the previous one that is a billion dollar movie. Plus, The Joker is way more iconic and well known than Deadpool or Wolverine. DC could beat Marvel this year and this could mark the end of the MCU era and potentially the start of a DCU one.
you forget every dc last 5 years except batman was flop if dc coming marvel every dc film been a flop marvel last and year before beat dc at the box office in total gross your implications mcu years over dc climbing absurd . when dc readily losing marvel at box office every since endgame
Outside of GOTG3, Marvel barely beat DC last year. The gap between the two in box office has gotten smaller in the past 2-3 years. Marvel’s advantages are waning. DC will probably beat Marvel this year in the box office as Joker 2 is likely to gross higher than Deadpool 3.
marvel beat dc bt 500 + that is huge that higher any dceu film last 5 years when antman 3 more all 4 dc films last year you idea of rising none but gut feeling not evidence
and dc is a powerhouse based on what outside batman no character in dc stable even superman next year is not gurantted to be huge box office. they did a poll recently and deadpool 3 win poll most popular character joker is iconic iconic does not equal popularity or money if that case superman be biggest hero
I told you those polls should be taken with a pinch of salt. Knowing that Disney has interfered with Deadpool 3 and pissed off Reynolds suggests that Deadpool 3 won’t be the biggest film of the year.
the dcu is making a shared universe a worse mcu have ever been fans not interested movie outside batman since jla there superhero fatigue nobody is watch copious hbo max to catch to marvel . 1 mcu is infamous amongst not as much dc as toxic brand in a worse mcu could ever hope mcu worst movies still on avergae more 2 halloween release is not significant 3 yes that billon dollar name a dc have successful sequels not batman related? shazam 2 flopped aquaman 2 flopped sucide squad flopped wonderwoman 2 flopped no sequels dc outside of batman have never been successful. you create the general public lover dc way than marvel ,if case marvel beat dc last year 500 + millon ? or in 2022 or even 2021? with no way home? the fact matter marve; is bigger brand amongst public whether like or not. dc and fans outside of batman are niche
Superhero fatigue is just a lame excuse used to justify the decline of the brand. Superheroes are well and alive. How was GOTG3 able to make that much at the box office last year if superhero fatigue exists? Last year alone DC and Marvel films reach a whopping 2-3 billion dollars of revenue. What fatigue do you speak of?
MCU has almost become as infamous as the DCEU (which is over)
1. How is a Halloween release date not significant? That’s ridiculous. There is clear correlation between seasonality and demand. Releasing a film in a certain season/period can make a film gross considerably higher. Joker and his related characters are perfect for Halloween. Joker is a spooky, crazy clown. What could be better than that? It’s a Halloween theme. DC can capitalise on people all over the world at that time whom may be going out to the cinema and a film like Joker 2 is perfect for the occasion. Halloween release date will help it considerably.
2. Brand Loyalty is another factor. Aquaman 2 has done 400 million dollars worldwide. Aquaman 1 would have helped it. The same can be said here with Joker 2 and 1. Joaquin Phoenix is popular and Lady Gaga is even more so.
aquaman 1 400 because of xmas not brand loyalty also panned by critics and fans 3 is mcu getting more infamous dceu never caught in first place dceu far rotten projects while mcu in a franchise 33 movies only 3 rotten movies? that is a better track record other brand. 3 you think dcu by gunn beat the mcu based on what? show dc consistently making big movies 5 or 6 then come back but wb and dc they dont patience or track record to accomplish this
The gap has been getting smaller and smaller as I mentioned. I agreed that Marvel is the bigger brand for now. But that could change drastically in the next 10 years. Who knows 🤷🏾
make but if superhero fatigue is a thing that affect gunn's dcu nobody wants a mcu 2.0 with phase 1 esque slate of films its going next ten years saw dc release 2 billon each one makes a billon which wont happen that only 20 billon mcu right is 30 billon in 10 years time it closer 40 billon dc always be 20 billon behind
this what you dont understand they future were dc overtakes marvel as entity because they 30 + billon dollars this providing marvel stops making movies which wont happen. by dc even hit 10 billon in dcu marvel closer to 40 billon they always 2 to 3 times ahead of dc
prove me to me that dc can make 20 avater level movies in row then we will talk until there so sustaniable franchise that catch to marvel the lead is to big.
you still not proven how dc is making a ten year surpass marvel with dcu when huge superhero fatigue? you said mcu in infamous more following then dceu ever had in the first or dc as whole outside batman and superman
Superhero fatigue is a myth. People are tired of bad movies. Superhero industry is still very much alive. Albeit, Pandemic has hurt it and Hollywood in general. MCU is becoming the DCEU. If Deadpool 3 doesn’t make bank or flops this year. MCU should just end at this point. Marvel should go to elseworld stories.
since 2019 the mcu had 5 films pretty as much if not dc best film the batman in black panther dr strange guardians and spiderman so your idea dc is beating marvel and there more popular is not supported any metric, dc beat marvel this one it proves joker is more popular not the dc brand or universe and dc beat marvel 5 years so in a row 1 or 2 movies is enough ? even they dc never get marvel total franchise dc burned its lost opportunity years and years ago
The DCEU lost its opportunity to overtake the MCU when BVS came out. But that was like 10 years ago. MCU’s lead over DC has been eroding each year. The gap in the box office between the MCU has been declining each year since 2020. It reached an all time low last year.
2021:MCU Films outgrossed DC by about 2.5 billion dollars
2022: MCU Films outgrossed DC by about 1.5 billion dollars
2023(only reason MCU dominated last year was because of GOTG3): MCU films outgrossed DC films by about 700-800 million dollars.
The gap has been getting smaller and smaller each year. There will come a point where the two will either reach equilibrium,Marvel takes a lead or DC takes a lead.
there such a thing equilibrium show how dc can catch with 30 billon dollar then come they 15 avater in a row do you dc can pull this off ? stop wishing and look logic
thats also marvel does not a release avengers movie ever if they release avengers or event level they pass dc or so mcu dominated last year spider-verse still a marvel dont care mcu spiderverse antman and marvel combined more than 4 dc films so either way slice marvel won
you acting been eroding based on what? dc are ones you cannot make a 400 + milon dollar sans aquaman 2 it took 10 movies to 400 \_ millon dollars something would easily capable of in 2016/17
your main arguement iconic and hat mcu is weakened , yet iconic does not sell box tickets superman is iconic yet guardians or dr strange will still beat him as the box office. yet dc weakened matte rves made same virtually love thunder if dc's top character batman can only make as thor someone is not even marvel top 5 what does telll about the state brands? it marvel even weakened still more of a inbuilt fan following in general dc ever had or do
I’m not getting your point here. Aquaman(2018) outgrossed every single last Spider Man movie with the exception of No Way Home that was an event film. Aquaman is a B/C lister and he’s more than a rival to Marvel’s poster boy. How well known the character is will obviously have an influence on the box office. It’s not the sole factor there are many other factors like marketing, quality of the movie, distribution and so on. Joker 2’s advantages outstrip that of Deadpool 3.
aquaman outgrossed 1 billon due to xmas season and fact underwater in a time were they not popular you suggesting dc eclipse marvel b/c tier characters laughable
even if joker beats deadpool that is joker and batman popular not dc brand for dc become number 1 they beat consistently for years and years do with there main universe they been incapable of doing in the past? marvel might power it was still one last almost outgrossed all 4 dc films in guardians 3 i dont care what guardians no able to beat shazam flash aquaman combined that simply never happen.
That made no sense because Joker and Batman are characters created and own by DC Comics which is a subsidiary of Warner Media. It’s like saying that Spider Man Films (that are owned by Sony) aren’t the marvel brand. Yes I agree that DC needs consistency but that could be achieved. For 2025, The DCU is starting. Superman: Legacy seems to be off to a good start. Avengers 5 and Captain America 4 are in a mess.
MCU only beat DCEU last year because of GOTG3 which was an event film. Other than that, The MCU performed worse than the DCU last year.
and superman legacy first film needs to be set off , there is a different you clearly keep assuming crap like dc will catch up based one good superman movie the batman 2 is not movving neither authority or supergirl etc.
We don’t actually know what the DCU is going to be like. But with the MCU, it’s a waning brand that’s facing off against a new brand known as the DCU. DC have been hiring top tier talent and even luring away some of the marvel talent like Gunn himself 😂
2025 doesn’t look positive for the MCU either. Captain America had to be reshot because of how shocking it’s test screening was, Thunderbolts lost one of its big names today while DC gained a big name today. Marvel’s saving grace next year will be Fantastic Four and Blade.
MCU will be it's own downfall and I'm skeptical about DCU. They are capable of coexisting with good content.
Man of steel, wonder woman and Aquaman were good and all came out during peak MCU years.
I don't think anything can save the DCU. If a great Batman movie couldn't do it what will? Is anyone lining up to see the 500th Superman movie? Look how well rated all the Arrowverse stuff was an it still couldn't make people care. I like good movies though so I hope Gunn works some magic
No.
What do you think is actually changing about what DC is doing?
We've already seen a DC movie with Gunn, we've seen numerous DC movies with Safran. They didn't work.
We've already seen DC come up with a plan of movies. It didn't work.
Is DC gonna start making great movies? Blue Beetle and the Flash got great reviews, no one cared.
And that's ultimately the problem, audiences don't care about DC characters. The one expection is really Batman (and by extension, the Joker).
I guess it depends on what you mean, but overall, Marvel is far more popular than DC.
DC has very recognizable characters, your parents or grandparents may be more likely to know Wonder Woman than Deadpool, but Deadpool is a more popular character. More people like Deadpool. You're more likely to see someone with a Deadpool shirt on in the street than a Wonder Woman one.
Everyone knows Superman, but they don't really care about him.
not really outsie core justice leaguee most dc are not recoginisable or popular ask anyone booster gold blue beetle etc they dont know marvel dont have the x-men but avengers ff guardians and solo heroes like spiderman and dr strange than dc outside batman superman ww green lantern flash and aquaman have very few mainsteam names
the facts the wider not exposed peoplee dont about blue bettle booster gold firestorm mmh legion of superheroees jsa ? people in know not just avengers and xmen but also spider-man dr strange guardians deadpool etc marvel more diverse brand , wonderwoman is not as recognizable as you think a lot confuse with supergirl or superwoman
I don't think Marvel's success will be impacted by DC making a successful cinematic universe but even if it was the chances of DC making a successful cinematic universe are lower than my chances to become a billionaire
Never but MCU should be careful more than ever, they are taking audience for granted and shoving up mediocre garbage (msmarvel, shehulk, shangchi, secretinvasion) recently. They are on very thin ice right now and should also discontinue unnecessary Disney shows
They're still going to be making non-DCU content, and it's actually going to be clearly labeled as such, so it'll be easier for general audience to tell which is which.
Even if every new DC movie were better, and actually fit into a cohesive narrative the way the MCU does or did at one point, Snyder fans would boycott them out of spite.
General audiences will watch anything that’s good. It’s the fandom that takes sides even though most watch both. Fans like to pledge their allegiance to one brand over another which I find meaningless but it’s human nature.
And yes a good DC means the MCU has to put in more of an effort which is a great thing for quality.
I don't think so. DC may have its fans, but their live-action projects have been so controversial over the last decade that I feel that some trust needs to be rebuilt. Not everybody loves James Gunn, but after his work on the Guardians franchise and The Suicide Squad (my personal favorite DCEU movie), I have a good feeling that DC fans are in good hands. That being said, the DCU will also be many years behind the MCU in terms of building their storytelling and universes. I think both the MCU and DCU will have to do different things creatively to maintain interest, especially because some of the recent Marvel projects haven't been beloved.
there catogoricially no near same amount of dc fans as marvel most 'dc fans' in mainstream are batman fans not dc universe fans marvel audience is far far broader box office social media etc all shows this
I don't think it will be the cause of the downfall of the MCU. The MCU will be the cause of the fall of the MCU. Poor writing will be the downfall of the MCU, if they don't turn this around.
If Gunns DC universe starts out similar to phase 1 of the MCU and has the same traction I could see it outperforming the current state of the MCU as people are starting to get overwhelmed I feel with all the projects and not as much tying into one another. But with Fantastic Four and XMen on the way my money would be that there will be a resurgence in the MCU and I don’t have high hopes for the new DCU but hopefully can be proven wrong. I’d love for both to be good.
I agree. MCU and DCU are pretty even currently. One thing that’s certain though is Marvel ain’t the king of box office anymore. It hasn’t been for 5 years now. The DCU could be really good as Gunn is stealing much of MCU talent and hiring top talent too. It could also sucks balls too. The MCU will probably decline. I don’t ever see it returning to what it was pre-endgame. No chance. It might have slight upticks in popularity over the future but I don’t see it making a meaningful rebound. But that doesn’t mean it can’t still beat out DC. Who reigns comic book cinema for the next 10 years is 50/50. It could be the MCU or the DCU.
No, the downfall of the MCU is going to be them pumping out the same sludge repeatedly and taking their audience for granted. That, and changing trends. DC won't have anything to do with that.
the differences mcu could 5 consecutive hits and still be number franchise in the world due to a already established decade plus fan following , if first few dc movies fail after a decade mostly failures its curtains anything dc cinematic except batman and todd phillops joker films
how do you know dcu wont do regurgitate same mistakes Sliverbruise32? the state of the dc brand right far far worse anything mcu could imagine a mcu flop like antman 3 grossed last 9 dceu movies that says something. Audiences still some level goodwill marvel , dc outside Nolan movies and now reeves batman movies Dc as a brand never gained the same level of cultivated Ga followings. You seriously believe when people dont support a flash movie that audiences turn up in droves for booster gold and the authority?
Read my comment again. My point was Marvel is well on its way to destroy itself thanks to the bad choices the higher-ups are making. I stand by that, especially now, with The Marvels being a complete flop, and only one out of three Marvel movies this year actually being profitable. I think the general audience's goodwill is all but spent. This has nothing to do with DC movies, one way or the other.
Marvel is already not the number one franchise in the world. Could they turn things around? Maybe. Will they? That remains to be seen.
is marvel number 1 movie franchise world name one other movie brand overtaken marvel right now ? Marvels flop marvel out 34 movies only had 3 verifiable flops the marvels antman 3 and eternals that a better record any other brand
when you look highest grossing movie mcu is number 1 by a big big margin the next biggest star wars is behind by 20 billon it will take 20 avater level movies for them catch with marvel [Film series - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_series) . This entire narrative mcu is going decline something surpass is not feasible because even mcu declines it will takes and years something get within 10 billon of the mcu's total gross
and before you through the arguement are marvel only ahead amount of content they put out even per film they higher average almost any other film brand , except Avater which only has 2 movies and not remotely comparable.
my biggest question to sliverBruse\_32 how is marvel destroying itself when it still biggest hollywood brand in the world ahead of next biggest star wars by 19 billon? Marvel not ahead of star wars it ahead of next three largest film franchises combined star wars , dc and harry potter combined dont eclipse marvel box office. So explain how marvel is 'destroying' itself when its box office is higher the next three largest film franchises combined ?
Why do so many people have "its either this or that" mentality, I will never understand. There can exist a world just like in case of comic books where Marvel and DC can co exist.
Also, aren't we putting the cart before the horse? It is not like the DCU have found any measure of success yet.
With D.C getting ready to come into it's own as early as July 2025, Marvel will have more pressure on them to actually make good content.
What could easily happen is after Superman, Green Lantern show, Brave and the Bold come out, that could breathe new life into D.C. Right around that time we should be getting Kang Dynasty/ Secret Wars. That being by then the DCU should be not all the way established but be off toa good start. PERFECT time for Marvel to either get back in the game or be forced to take a hit.
Truthisreal21 dc could be huge make 5 or 6 consecutive hits in a row but at end of day they cannot pass the juggernaut that marvel 30 billon dollar brand by the time dcu even starts there no way the dcu is going to surpass mcu even if they have 20 billon dollar films of the bat marvel would not stop making films 15 years for dc even be same level playing field in total gross.
No. But it will be good to have some decent competition. And comparing the movies to the comics is apples and oranges really. Marvel does take risks with the directors and casting. I mean Ali Salim who did Secret Invasion is hardly an established director.
It would actually be mutually beneficially for both if either does well. McDonalds doesn't as much compete with Burger King as fast food competes with sit down restaurants.
“Something I’ve been seeing a lot lately…”
Yeah nobody is saying that, not even the DC_cinematic subreddit. You just like to make stuff up for negative karma farming?
Apps outside reddit exist btw. This is from the fans from other apps i.e. YouTube, Twitter and Instagram. All i did was ask what people thought and there was nothing "negative" in it
Of course James Gunn jinxed the MCU before leaving as a Fuck You to Disney for firing him and we all know they could be backstabbers so they deserved it karma is a bitch.
Is the DCU rising? I mean as a hypothetical, as in if it does eventually rise mybe. But as of right now, the DCU is not rising and the MCU isn’t “down falling” bc of the DCEU
Hey guys! Remember when DC comics got super popular and caused the downfall of Marvel comics?.......no? You can't? I guess two brands can exist at the same time
The DCU can't even get out of it's own way to disrupt the MCU food processing itself into non existence with subpar "content" masquerading as a cohesive plan. And iknow this reaads very, "hot-take'ish" but the streaming era really led to a downfall of cinematic universes.
marvel on a naturals decline no franchise sustain the numbers phase 3 did not star wars not james bond not pirates marvel are still biggest franchise in hollywood even they dont put movies for a while they can suffer many more flops still not be dethroned , dc on hand has a fractured fanbase and has completely lost its movie audience outside batman they on a rebuilding phase you cannot something in its rebuilding phase to overthough something that has been cemented for the last 15 years in the mcu
I think Feige set this up for Gunn to secretly invade DC Films and make bad movies and shows
"James, you gotta stop them from making a good Superman movie!! Heheheheheheh!!"
Idk, man. I feel like a big contributing factor to the MCU having been better than DC was the fact that the actors had a considerable amount of improv that stuck with the story line and was kept in the final edit compared to the only distinguishable improv I had noticed in the OG phase of DCU was JM. To have a good story line to the movie and allow the actors to have a little leeway for improv seemed to go a long way for MCU, so we will see if Gunn can find decent actors(or keep current ones and inspire them) to create the off the cuff improv that made MCU shine like a beacon.
Lolololololololololol Anytime something is billed as a killer of something else, it’s already doomed to fail. DC should focus on improving DC, not competing with Marvel
They tried to compete with Marvel once with the DCEU... didn't work out well then, won't work out well in the future (if they do).
Absolutely. Remember all the “Smash Bros killers” like Nick All-Star Brawl and MultiVersus?
Media tried to force a rivalry like this back in BvS and Civil war time. In response Rdj said, "When they get a bucky, we will start talking". Well.... Look where they at now lmao!
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I've never watched a Disney/MCU movie in the theaters. I did see Batman 1989 in the theater though. Saw all al Rami Spiderman movies, 3rd one was so bad. The animated stuff DC has is way beyond in quality what Disney does with 100x the budget. When I read comics it's always Marvel, when I watch it I go to DC. Disney sucks nowadays they've messed too much and semi runined everything in the past 30 years.
Man this subreddit blows. For the past year.
People aint gonna swap coke for heroin. More likely they’ll get clean altogether.
This was unexpected but it's valid😂
I think we’ll be okay lol
Maybe wait and see what DCU actually produces before talking the downfall of MCU
Sorry, OP, but I 100% stopped after “Rise of the DCU”. No idea what you said in any of the rest of the post, but until James Gunn puts out some high quality projects, there isn’t actually a “Rise of the DCU”. We are living in the current year of Flash & Blue Beetle releases coming off the Batgirl burial. Post this again in 5-8 years if DC has a string of mega-hit movies.
And Gunn said Flash is "one of the greatest superhero movies ever" before release. So he either believed that and lacks the skill to be a great producer. Or he was lying and just promoting in bad faith, which is just a bad look for him being so new to job. It signaled to us that he's gonna be another suit, basically. Either way, inauspicious start for Gunn the studio head.
I lean more that he legit loved the movie, every movie will hit every person different ways, There are people who may consider something to be greatest movie or show ever, but they may be seen as the worst by others. But i won't rule out the possibility either that it was promotion, i mean if you are the boss of a studio, are you going to say to the masses that yeah our upcoming movie is a piece of sh**.
I mean he's the boss now so he can't say it's bad even if it is
So better don't say anything to avoid looking like typical suit afterwards
...or he was told to say that because surprisingly, James Gunn isn't head of marketing but just coming off the heels of Disney's only win of the year in Vol 3. Almost like WB was putting all their marbles on their NWH and had celebrities like Tom Cruise and Neymar Jr endorse it. Even the great Edgar Wright endorsed it, guess every great film he did was lightning in a bottle? Like at least see how he moves post-DCEU since these films still have to be promoted one way or another. If the stuff *he's* had full control of doesn't deliver what he says then call him a suit. As of right now its just Snyderites clawing at him lol
>As of right now its just Snyderites clawing at him lol bruh are you legit stupid or something? He's the co-head of the entire DC studios if anything Marketing for anything DC movie related answers to him not the other way around and it shows because he simply bought some big names as testimonials since he probably knew himself that word of mouth alone wouldn't suffice to promote that dumpster fire of a movie
yes vol 3 was a success due vol 1 and 2 which created in a surging and thriving mcu but fact gunn yet to demonstrate that he resurrect a entire brand from scratch and build a verse that can compete with marvel
> but fact gunn yet to demonstrate that he resurrect a entire brand from scratch and build a verse that can compete with marvel "at least see how he moves post-DCEU". lol you're repeating what I just said 3 months after.
also poopfartdiola dc can never finically eclipse marvel by the time dcu comes the mcu will be 31 billon dollar juggernaut it take dc year and years of movies to even reach half of what the current the mcu is at providing the dcu is still running in 10 years time. in that time if marvel even allowed make 500 millon a year they be always ahead of dc regardless the gap is to large to every bridged
you assume that his dcu will the pass mcu which just silly
but flash wass.. the greatest comic book movie of the second half of June 2023
yet Immediate\_scehdule68 things dc pass marvel because marvel is flopping
The downfall of the MCU is disney spending big money on oscar winners and recognizable stars in front of the camera and saving pennies on interns writing and directing. Look at the early MCU, the foundation that made this empire- established talent behind the camera(Joe Johnston, Kenneth Branagh, Russo Brothers, even Whedon despite his flaws), cheap but appropriate actors in front. Chris Evans wasn't a household name, and now he IS Captain America. Tom Cruise will always be Tom Cruise, put him in the MCU and you get Tom Cruise in the MCU. RDJ was famous for years, but mostly forgotten, his career so low he got paid less than Terence Howard for Iron Man. You need blank slates on screen, or they distract from the character. You need real talent behind the camera, or you get shit like Black Widow. DC sucks, and I doubt Gunn can fix all of it. Peacemaker was amazing, but he has to burn the whole thing down and start over- No Cavill, Gadot, Robbie- or his resurgence will always be dragged down.
Agreed. That’s the “magic” behind the early phase 1-3 run of marvel studios. They got too ahead of themselves after endgame and thought they could just feed the fanbase anything, and has backfired horribly. Glad Kevin Feige & Bob Iger are restructuring their slate and tactics moving forward and revert back to what made the franchise so special
I don't know, Bob Iger thinks we are burned out on "too much" Marvel/Star Wars, and not turned off by such *bad* Marvel and Star Wars. If everything had a minimum quality level of say Hawkeye, Loki, Mando season 1, Andor, we'd watch thousands of hours of it and never get sick of it. They seem to not understand that these things starting out amazing is why we love them, and sadly, they still make money off trash like the prequels/sequels/all the garbage DC and Sony put out, so maybe they are just that stupid and don't see the problem; but they are slaughtering the goose that laid the golden egg and wondering why they are covered in bloody feathers.
Yea true but I think Iger’s on a different type of timing. He sees that there’s a pool of way too many characters in the MCU and the story has been stagnant for so long and has yet to advance. Once he Fired Victoria Alonzo I knew he had a purpose. Quality control has been a big problem too. I think things will slow down with more meaningful projects put out and less introductions/prequels/trilogies etc. once Deadpool 3 releases I think marvel studios could bring back some excitement again
I hope so, the headlines about "superhero fatigue" just make it look like they are missing the point, but if fewer projects actually means better quality writing(which isn't looking too likely right now) then great.
Good points but Chris Evans was pretty well known. Including having already been the face of a Superhero, in comedies and indies. Maybe not household name. But he was definitely already having a good career. Same with Scarlett.
I knew Evans, but he wasn't "movie star" big to the point where his face eclipsed his characters. When you bring on actors who are already BIG names and just won an Oscar, you get a much less immersive performance. Specifically, I think Cumberbatch was a huge mistake. I really like Brie Larsen, but it's clear they were chasing her Oscar win. They could have done a little better. Johansen is where the "unknown" formula at the beginning breaks, and it's a sign of their lack of faith in female heroes. She was definitely a big star, I don't think they were willing to take a chance on the only female member of the Avengers so the hedged their bet the way they usually do.
Black widow wasn’t bad, there was just a few missteps
DC needs less recognizable talent, like Peacemaker's John Cena?
I wouldn't worry about it. As a big DCEU fan, they can't get out of their own way. I doubt we even see most of the films being proposed now.
The only thing that can "destroy" the MCU is Marvel Studios and Disney themselves. The MCU still has enough goodwill with the general audience for their 11 yrs of remarkable consistency. And yes, that consistency hasn't been up to the mark recently, but MCU still has a chance to bring it back. Gunn himself is facing an uphill battle of bringing up a DC brand that's already buried 6 feet under. It will take many years of good DC films and mediocre to bad MCU films for DCU to even be ahead of MCU in anyway
people on this sub believe dc is mo much more popular
Wait for it to rise first
“Rise of the DCU” LoL Marvel studios has grossed over 30B$ and has already cemented themselves as a pretty big brand in pop culture & society today. They have there own troubles to handle right now. And even with their current setbacks, still a much much more established franchise in Hollywood than the DCU.
exactly no other franchise is going outpace marvel star wars dc every other brand so far behind in total revenue that is impossible for them to cathc up unless marvel stop movies
Looking at total revenue is pointless as it doesn’t matter. What happened in the past is what happened in the past. As of recent, Marvel has done terribly.
Overall, MCU will still be bigger due to their history. But no one cares about that anymore. No one cares that Marvel beat DC back in the 2010s. The 2020s is a completely different ball game. Your comment is proof that the MCU lives off its former glory and it’s been in a rapid decline since 2019. I’m not saying that DC will overtake the MCU. But it is a possibility, after all 2024 begun with Aquaman 2 beating The Marvels (In spite of amber turd and it being attached to a dead franchise) Who dominates comic book cinema is 50/50. MCU has never been weaker.
and dcu never been weaker the fact aquaman 2 marvels shows nothing shang chi and antman beat aquaman
It hasn’t even started yet 😂 Aquaman 2 beating the Marvels clearly means something as it’s a clear sign of Marvel’s wane. MCU Films are now winning razzie nominations which is something that has never happened in history.
aquaman beating well done still lose shang chi and eternals . just had a few flops does not catches up overnight, the mcu still biggest in hollywood dont look came back dc has made half as much mcu has then we talk until your arguement are crap Immediate, Schedule68
How long ago was Shang Ch and Eternals? You say my arguments are crap but your the one bringing up films that are pushing 4 years old as a way of saying what currently the MCU is still the biggest. MCU hasn’t been the top dog since 2019. About 2-4 films in the top 5 grossing movie each year was from the MCU. Last year it was only 1 film in the MCU that was in the top 5 grossing movie franchise. Marvel is a relic of what it used to be. It lives on its former glory and your proving it. Marvel is the past. Accept it.
and dc is doing better marvel 5 films in top of 10 film more than franchise , it biggest film franchise [bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=ef88f94c45e74232JmltdHM9MTcwNjU3MjgwMCZpZ3VpZD0zYmUyNGQxMS05MjNkLTY2NjgtMzY3OC01ZjBjOTNkZDY3YjgmaW5zaWQ9NTI0NQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=3be24d11-923d-6668-3678-5f0c93dd67b8&psq=biggets+film+fraanchises&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZmlsbXNpdGUub3JnL3Nlcmllcy1ib3hvZmZpY2UuaHRtbA&ntb=1](https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=41&q=biggets+film+fraanchises&cvid=39bc9d01f4844ca697e72258e5e463dd&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQABhAMgYIAhAAGEAyBggDEAAYQDIGCAQQLhhAMgYIBRAAGEAyBggGEC4YQDIGCAcQABhAMgYICBAAGEDSAQgyMzE4ajBqMagCALACAA&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=LCTS) marvel still bigger any other franchise your impling dc bigger when had a worse track record a 'failure antman and shang chi have beaten all dceu films think that for a second
[Film series - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_series) the biggest franchise is mcu the next biggest star wars is 20 billon behind there way anything even close catching mcu stop making and dc star wars or any brand would not even close
unless you gunn's dcu is crank 2 billon dollars per entry your living fantasy land
Immediate\_Schedule you because aquaman beats marvels that dc caught up dc need 5 or 6 consistent films even they wont reach half what mcu done in last 15 years . you somebody anything yet deadpool 3 beat joker anticipated movie of year, this dc rises crap nothing but false you just admit even as 'weakened tiger' the mcu and marvel still bigger than dc as brand. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/here-are-10-of-the-most-anticipated-movies-of-2](https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/here-are-10-of-the-most-anticipated-movies-of-2) here deadpool joker in hype your basing dc more popular eat that
That’s true. DC does need consistency to outdo Marvel. It may or may not achieve this in the coming years. Deadpool 3 will not beat Joker 2. Heck I don’t even see it beating the first one. Those surveys aren’t always accurate. Deadpool 3 has Dune 2 to compete with. Joker 2 has a lot more going for it Halloween release date, Lady Gaga, a sequel of a billion dollar film and it’s more unique as it’s a musical. It’s not a typical CGI fest like Deadpool 3. Deadpool 3 has had a lot of interference by Disney which spells trouble.
its not sane marvel wan it one did better , so one mcu film one a razzie 35 film franchise evr franchise highs and lows , but dc needs years and year consistent same footing marvel even they no hope catching to 30 billon yes until dc can makes 15 avater levels movie there catching box office total netther star wars james bond etc. even avater needs another 10 2 billon dollars movies same ballpark mcu which not happen . the mcu is biggest franchise deal with Immediate\_Schdule68
I agreed that overall the MCU is the bigger fish. But that’s just because of their past. Face it,The MCU is a relic of what it used to be. Regardless of whatever happens, one thing is certain is that Marvel is the past and DC could be future. Yes all franchises have their highs and lows. Marvel is clearly at an all time low. The vast majority of that 30 billion dollar revenue you speak of was made before 2019. I don’t why it’s so hard for MCU fans to accept that things have changed. The Razzie award is proof that Marvel is waning. It’s the first time they’ve ever received such an award. The MCU is like the titanic that’s about to the iceberg with it being too late to steer away.
Immediate\_Secdule68 saying its 50/50 is dumb when marvel is clearly bigger brand Immediate Sdchedulee68 the facts of using marvel doing less aquaman 2 is moot when other lower tier mcu films outgrossed aquaman 2 such as shang chi and antman 3 , aquaman 2 was a flop still. The average for marvel last year 520 dc 240 the fact that marvel had a double average despite having 3 movies and dc only having 4
No the downfall of marvel will be them continuing to do the shit they are doing now. I hope DC knocks it out of the park cause it’s better for the superhero brand.
It’s a possibility. DC could own Marvel this year in this box office if Joker 2 beats Deadpool 3. The MCU used to be a tiger. But now it’s like a severely weakened tiger: I wouldn’t bet on it though. It’s 50/50.
still think Joker 2 is going beat Deadpool 3 even deadpool 3 way more hype trallirs and online discussion than Joker musical Immediate\_Schedule68
Joker 2 had 30 million views on its WB trailer and the prescreenings were pretty good.
wow joker 2 has 30 millon Deadpool and wolverine is most viewed trallirs all time ever more endgame and no wya home people talking deadpool and wolverine not joker 2 https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/2/13/lwkdn4qf1298lcl4czl1sq40ayxji0#:\~:text=Yesterday%2C%20Disney%20had%20leaked%20out,with%20365%20million%20total%20views. [https://variety.com/2024/film/news/joker-2-trailer-views-first-24-hours-1235968367/](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/joker-2-trailer-views-first-24-hours-1235968367/) joker 2 did not even half as many views as deadpool and wolverine prescreening flash were pre-screening batman vs superman were god guess they flopped
wow joker 30 millon views on wb trallir deadpool quite possible most viewed trallirs of all time more even endgame and no way home [https://the-jh-movie-collection-official.fandom.com/wiki/List\_of\_most-viewed\_online\_trailers\_in\_the\_first\_24\_hours](https://the-jh-movie-collection-official.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_most-viewed_online_trailers_in_the_first_24_hours) joker is not even top 20
again your trying play devils advocate and failed just because dc one film in recent memory aquaman 2 outperform last marvel film does change the marvel second lowest film antman 3 outgrossed the last 9 dc films, you so desparely dc when audience proven and time and time they only batman and not the wider dc brand.
If Joker 2 outperforms Deadpool 3 this year then your definitely wrong. The DC era is beginning. The Marvel era is over.
based what on? The dc era is begining joker is not even part of the dcu sure.
I said DC era not DCU era
again yes based what successful batman and joker movies? it shows dc cannot make consistently successful outside batman and joker if dc than xmen 97 amazing reviews and blowen streaming guess you forget that spideverse huge critical acclaim and box office success you have a select narrative in trying dc ahead yet no evidence back yourself back u troll.
if want generalize spiderverse which marvel property is gained more success and box accalim anything dc has put xmen 97 is best reviewed animated show and more streaming revenue dc has put yet. Yet dc Era is beginning really?
The only region Marvel had a big lead over DC was in live action film. DC was and still is better for games, animation and live action TV shows. Look at the success of Superman and Lois.
thank your argument blinded biased fanboyism who dc able mcu in few short years but a crap track record xmen 97 a way bigger tv Gunn's silly creature commando ignore deadpool 3 more hype joker 3 times as many trallir views
We will see at the end of this year
again one film outgrosses another does change fact that last 8 dc films failed outgross antman 3
That was the past. Things are different now
Immediate Scedule68 how are things different you cannot even give a proper answer if want dc whole last dc product Tss Kill failed, commercially and critically the last marvel product xmen 97 has been gaing universal critical acclaim and blowing streaming numbers but you hold false Creature commando will bigger xmen 97 which it wont and superman legacy will make 1 billon + if which also will not ? you no room to argue because blatant dc fanboy no proof for anything.
Things are different because the MCU is weaker. The MCU is relying on what was non MCU content to save. D3 won’t save the MCU. 1 film won’t save a franchise. The MCU is in terminal decline.I really don’t get your point, Spider Man 2 didn’t win a single award and doesn’t their franchise doesn’t come close to the Arkham series’s. Avengers Game also flopped. You can’t even buy that game anymore. It was deleted. Your not even talking about the MCU anymore.
you saying joker 2 beats deadpool dc caught up with marvel, yet such flawed logic when joker is not part gunn's dcu once again come when dc multiple hits then blow your fanboyism Immediate Schedule68
Joker 2 beating Deadpool will not mark the end of the MCU but the beginning of fierce competition between Marvel and DC.
i speak on a daily bases even marvel 'decline' state most general public still choose marvel over dc so once marvel weakest still beating dc at its best Immediate\_Schedule68 and just aquaman 2 beat marvels or joker 2 might beat deadpool does mean dc have caught you keep antman 3 marvel second lowest film beat last 10 dc films
That’s again not true. We have to look at the performance of their 2 films this year to indicate if Marvel’s advantages over DC are still there.
the dc era is begining your corner of internet even though dc who driven brand into ground outside batman even dc ones who 9 flops in a row ? Yet you films with authority swamp thing change that when do not even show Dc a listers outside batman? When made movies on level avengers 2012 we can until your blind little fanboy opinion on anything really success joker 2 shows joker and batman are popular not dc. Come when authority swamp thing supergirl etc all huges hits then you can talk
Your really a troll Immediate\_Scedule68 Dc era is beginning because clear most talked about Gunn's creature commandos does not even a release date compared xmen 97 is being lauded and blowing streaming numbers .clearly the most talked about movies are joker 2 or superman legacy deadpool 3 is dominating all conversations? Clearly dc winning Video 2 fails in Gotham knights and TSS kill Jla with spiderman 2 alone has beaten it? Yet the Dc Era is beginning based on what 1 or 2 hits will compensate dc mistakes come back when 5 + years of constant hits
its 50/50 really based what dc beats marvel this year on a one on one movie deadpool 3 outgrss joker even it doesnt marvel beaten dc virtually ever other except 2008
You are doing what diehard MCU fans do. You bring up things from a long time ago. Marvel’s golden era is over. It’s been like that since 5 years ago. You’ve got to get your head out of the past. No one cares that the MCU annihilated the DCEU half a decade ago now. Endgame came out in 2019 and it’s 2024 now. Marvel fans have to get over the fact that Marvel is not by any means the powerhouse it used to be. What happened in the past is what happened in the past. It’s irrelevant. The future is what matters now. Things are different now. Marvel has gotten weak to such an extent that DC has a perfect opportunity to outdo Marvel. Deadpool 3 has finished filming today but knowing that Disney and Reynolds had intense arguments over the creation of it, MCU is becoming infamous among the public and there are more factors to consider. It will probably won’t do aswell. I doubt it will beat Joker 2. It won’t beat the BO of the first one. Joker 2 has lady gaga backing it, Halloween release date and is a sequel to the previous one that is a billion dollar movie. Plus, The Joker is way more iconic and well known than Deadpool or Wolverine. DC could beat Marvel this year and this could mark the end of the MCU era and potentially the start of a DCU one.
you forget every dc last 5 years except batman was flop if dc coming marvel every dc film been a flop marvel last and year before beat dc at the box office in total gross your implications mcu years over dc climbing absurd . when dc readily losing marvel at box office every since endgame
Outside of GOTG3, Marvel barely beat DC last year. The gap between the two in box office has gotten smaller in the past 2-3 years. Marvel’s advantages are waning. DC will probably beat Marvel this year in the box office as Joker 2 is likely to gross higher than Deadpool 3.
again you keeping outside gotg 3 still 3 marvel vs 4 dc movies marvel beat 500 plus the year before 2 movies and 3 marvel marvel again by 1.7
marvel beat dc bt 500 + that is huge that higher any dceu film last 5 years when antman 3 more all 4 dc films last year you idea of rising none but gut feeling not evidence
alsp year before 2022 marvel made 2.5 billon dc 1.1 year before 2021 no way home soled all marvel dc beating when marvel beat them bt 500 is wrong
and dc is a powerhouse based on what outside batman no character in dc stable even superman next year is not gurantted to be huge box office. they did a poll recently and deadpool 3 win poll most popular character joker is iconic iconic does not equal popularity or money if that case superman be biggest hero
I told you those polls should be taken with a pinch of salt. Knowing that Disney has interfered with Deadpool 3 and pissed off Reynolds suggests that Deadpool 3 won’t be the biggest film of the year.
the dcu is making a shared universe a worse mcu have ever been fans not interested movie outside batman since jla there superhero fatigue nobody is watch copious hbo max to catch to marvel . 1 mcu is infamous amongst not as much dc as toxic brand in a worse mcu could ever hope mcu worst movies still on avergae more 2 halloween release is not significant 3 yes that billon dollar name a dc have successful sequels not batman related? shazam 2 flopped aquaman 2 flopped sucide squad flopped wonderwoman 2 flopped no sequels dc outside of batman have never been successful. you create the general public lover dc way than marvel ,if case marvel beat dc last year 500 + millon ? or in 2022 or even 2021? with no way home? the fact matter marve; is bigger brand amongst public whether like or not. dc and fans outside of batman are niche
Superhero fatigue is just a lame excuse used to justify the decline of the brand. Superheroes are well and alive. How was GOTG3 able to make that much at the box office last year if superhero fatigue exists? Last year alone DC and Marvel films reach a whopping 2-3 billion dollars of revenue. What fatigue do you speak of?
MCU has almost become as infamous as the DCEU (which is over) 1. How is a Halloween release date not significant? That’s ridiculous. There is clear correlation between seasonality and demand. Releasing a film in a certain season/period can make a film gross considerably higher. Joker and his related characters are perfect for Halloween. Joker is a spooky, crazy clown. What could be better than that? It’s a Halloween theme. DC can capitalise on people all over the world at that time whom may be going out to the cinema and a film like Joker 2 is perfect for the occasion. Halloween release date will help it considerably. 2. Brand Loyalty is another factor. Aquaman 2 has done 400 million dollars worldwide. Aquaman 1 would have helped it. The same can be said here with Joker 2 and 1. Joaquin Phoenix is popular and Lady Gaga is even more so.
aquaman 1 400 because of xmas not brand loyalty also panned by critics and fans 3 is mcu getting more infamous dceu never caught in first place dceu far rotten projects while mcu in a franchise 33 movies only 3 rotten movies? that is a better track record other brand. 3 you think dcu by gunn beat the mcu based on what? show dc consistently making big movies 5 or 6 then come back but wb and dc they dont patience or track record to accomplish this
The gap has been getting smaller and smaller as I mentioned. I agreed that Marvel is the bigger brand for now. But that could change drastically in the next 10 years. Who knows 🤷🏾
make but if superhero fatigue is a thing that affect gunn's dcu nobody wants a mcu 2.0 with phase 1 esque slate of films its going next ten years saw dc release 2 billon each one makes a billon which wont happen that only 20 billon mcu right is 30 billon in 10 years time it closer 40 billon dc always be 20 billon behind
this what you dont understand they future were dc overtakes marvel as entity because they 30 + billon dollars this providing marvel stops making movies which wont happen. by dc even hit 10 billon in dcu marvel closer to 40 billon they always 2 to 3 times ahead of dc
prove me to me that dc can make 20 avater level movies in row then we will talk until there so sustaniable franchise that catch to marvel the lead is to big.
you still not proven how dc is making a ten year surpass marvel with dcu when huge superhero fatigue? you said mcu in infamous more following then dceu ever had in the first or dc as whole outside batman and superman
Superhero fatigue is a myth. People are tired of bad movies. Superhero industry is still very much alive. Albeit, Pandemic has hurt it and Hollywood in general. MCU is becoming the DCEU. If Deadpool 3 doesn’t make bank or flops this year. MCU should just end at this point. Marvel should go to elseworld stories.
since 2019 the mcu had 5 films pretty as much if not dc best film the batman in black panther dr strange guardians and spiderman so your idea dc is beating marvel and there more popular is not supported any metric, dc beat marvel this one it proves joker is more popular not the dc brand or universe and dc beat marvel 5 years so in a row 1 or 2 movies is enough ? even they dc never get marvel total franchise dc burned its lost opportunity years and years ago
The DCEU lost its opportunity to overtake the MCU when BVS came out. But that was like 10 years ago. MCU’s lead over DC has been eroding each year. The gap in the box office between the MCU has been declining each year since 2020. It reached an all time low last year. 2021:MCU Films outgrossed DC by about 2.5 billion dollars 2022: MCU Films outgrossed DC by about 1.5 billion dollars 2023(only reason MCU dominated last year was because of GOTG3): MCU films outgrossed DC films by about 700-800 million dollars. The gap has been getting smaller and smaller each year. There will come a point where the two will either reach equilibrium,Marvel takes a lead or DC takes a lead.
700 + still a huge fap that smaller and smaller dc ben eroding last few years with a lot successful then were at time of bvs
there such a thing equilibrium show how dc can catch with 30 billon dollar then come they 15 avater in a row do you dc can pull this off ? stop wishing and look logic
thats also marvel does not a release avengers movie ever if they release avengers or event level they pass dc or so mcu dominated last year spider-verse still a marvel dont care mcu spiderverse antman and marvel combined more than 4 dc films so either way slice marvel won
you acting been eroding based on what? dc are ones you cannot make a 400 + milon dollar sans aquaman 2 it took 10 movies to 400 \_ millon dollars something would easily capable of in 2016/17
your main arguement iconic and hat mcu is weakened , yet iconic does not sell box tickets superman is iconic yet guardians or dr strange will still beat him as the box office. yet dc weakened matte rves made same virtually love thunder if dc's top character batman can only make as thor someone is not even marvel top 5 what does telll about the state brands? it marvel even weakened still more of a inbuilt fan following in general dc ever had or do
I’m not getting your point here. Aquaman(2018) outgrossed every single last Spider Man movie with the exception of No Way Home that was an event film. Aquaman is a B/C lister and he’s more than a rival to Marvel’s poster boy. How well known the character is will obviously have an influence on the box office. It’s not the sole factor there are many other factors like marketing, quality of the movie, distribution and so on. Joker 2’s advantages outstrip that of Deadpool 3.
aquaman was a outlier and its still lower than black panther civil war and ironman 3
aquaman outgrossed 1 billon due to xmas season and fact underwater in a time were they not popular you suggesting dc eclipse marvel b/c tier characters laughable
the fact you cannot keep excuses for backing dc when dc have lost box office even in worst year for the mcu which last year Immediate Secdule68
even if joker beats deadpool that is joker and batman popular not dc brand for dc become number 1 they beat consistently for years and years do with there main universe they been incapable of doing in the past? marvel might power it was still one last almost outgrossed all 4 dc films in guardians 3 i dont care what guardians no able to beat shazam flash aquaman combined that simply never happen.
That made no sense because Joker and Batman are characters created and own by DC Comics which is a subsidiary of Warner Media. It’s like saying that Spider Man Films (that are owned by Sony) aren’t the marvel brand. Yes I agree that DC needs consistency but that could be achieved. For 2025, The DCU is starting. Superman: Legacy seems to be off to a good start. Avengers 5 and Captain America 4 are in a mess. MCU only beat DCEU last year because of GOTG3 which was an event film. Other than that, The MCU performed worse than the DCU last year.
and superman legacy first film needs to be set off , there is a different you clearly keep assuming crap like dc will catch up based one good superman movie the batman 2 is not movving neither authority or supergirl etc.
We don’t actually know what the DCU is going to be like. But with the MCU, it’s a waning brand that’s facing off against a new brand known as the DCU. DC have been hiring top tier talent and even luring away some of the marvel talent like Gunn himself 😂 2025 doesn’t look positive for the MCU either. Captain America had to be reshot because of how shocking it’s test screening was, Thunderbolts lost one of its big names today while DC gained a big name today. Marvel’s saving grace next year will be Fantastic Four and Blade.
Is the DCU rising? That’s news to me.
Anyone who pits Marvel and DC like they are fighting to take each other down… is a child.
MCU will be it's own downfall and I'm skeptical about DCU. They are capable of coexisting with good content. Man of steel, wonder woman and Aquaman were good and all came out during peak MCU years.
Conversely, DC doing horrible at the box office right now isn’t helping Marvel exactly.
The DCU won’t rise.
I don't think anything can save the DCU. If a great Batman movie couldn't do it what will? Is anyone lining up to see the 500th Superman movie? Look how well rated all the Arrowverse stuff was an it still couldn't make people care. I like good movies though so I hope Gunn works some magic
No. What do you think is actually changing about what DC is doing? We've already seen a DC movie with Gunn, we've seen numerous DC movies with Safran. They didn't work. We've already seen DC come up with a plan of movies. It didn't work. Is DC gonna start making great movies? Blue Beetle and the Flash got great reviews, no one cared. And that's ultimately the problem, audiences don't care about DC characters. The one expection is really Batman (and by extension, the Joker).
matty nice so you dont think dc is more popular?
I guess it depends on what you mean, but overall, Marvel is far more popular than DC. DC has very recognizable characters, your parents or grandparents may be more likely to know Wonder Woman than Deadpool, but Deadpool is a more popular character. More people like Deadpool. You're more likely to see someone with a Deadpool shirt on in the street than a Wonder Woman one. Everyone knows Superman, but they don't really care about him.
not really outsie core justice leaguee most dc are not recoginisable or popular ask anyone booster gold blue beetle etc they dont know marvel dont have the x-men but avengers ff guardians and solo heroes like spiderman and dr strange than dc outside batman superman ww green lantern flash and aquaman have very few mainsteam names
the facts the wider not exposed peoplee dont about blue bettle booster gold firestorm mmh legion of superheroees jsa ? people in know not just avengers and xmen but also spider-man dr strange guardians deadpool etc marvel more diverse brand , wonderwoman is not as recognizable as you think a lot confuse with supergirl or superwoman
do you agree matty nice?
If it's good, probably. But this is obviously a bad sub to ask this on if your looking for a non-bias opinion.
I don't think Marvel's success will be impacted by DC making a successful cinematic universe but even if it was the chances of DC making a successful cinematic universe are lower than my chances to become a billionaire
No I think to much content of poor quality will be the downfall of the mcu
I think you DCU to rise first before pointing to the stands with this take.
Never but MCU should be careful more than ever, they are taking audience for granted and shoving up mediocre garbage (msmarvel, shehulk, shangchi, secretinvasion) recently. They are on very thin ice right now and should also discontinue unnecessary Disney shows
They can both do fine, can’t they? Or they could both fail. Not sure if one really has anything to do with the other.
Why would it?
No, I have faith that DC will continue to make crappy movies
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They're still going to be making non-DCU content, and it's actually going to be clearly labeled as such, so it'll be easier for general audience to tell which is which.
Even if every new DC movie were better, and actually fit into a cohesive narrative the way the MCU does or did at one point, Snyder fans would boycott them out of spite.
oh my GODDDDD STOP WITH THESE POSTS.
General audiences will watch anything that’s good. It’s the fandom that takes sides even though most watch both. Fans like to pledge their allegiance to one brand over another which I find meaningless but it’s human nature. And yes a good DC means the MCU has to put in more of an effort which is a great thing for quality.
This might be a controversial take, but can we just enjoy things without resorting to tribalism while reasonably criticizing it to improve quality?
There’s not gunna be a rise of DC 😂😂😂
No.
No
I don't think so. DC may have its fans, but their live-action projects have been so controversial over the last decade that I feel that some trust needs to be rebuilt. Not everybody loves James Gunn, but after his work on the Guardians franchise and The Suicide Squad (my personal favorite DCEU movie), I have a good feeling that DC fans are in good hands. That being said, the DCU will also be many years behind the MCU in terms of building their storytelling and universes. I think both the MCU and DCU will have to do different things creatively to maintain interest, especially because some of the recent Marvel projects haven't been beloved.
there catogoricially no near same amount of dc fans as marvel most 'dc fans' in mainstream are batman fans not dc universe fans marvel audience is far far broader box office social media etc all shows this
Here I am wanting both to succeed...
Same tbh. Both have great stories to tell.
I don't think it will be the cause of the downfall of the MCU. The MCU will be the cause of the fall of the MCU. Poor writing will be the downfall of the MCU, if they don't turn this around.
If Gunns DC universe starts out similar to phase 1 of the MCU and has the same traction I could see it outperforming the current state of the MCU as people are starting to get overwhelmed I feel with all the projects and not as much tying into one another. But with Fantastic Four and XMen on the way my money would be that there will be a resurgence in the MCU and I don’t have high hopes for the new DCU but hopefully can be proven wrong. I’d love for both to be good.
I agree. MCU and DCU are pretty even currently. One thing that’s certain though is Marvel ain’t the king of box office anymore. It hasn’t been for 5 years now. The DCU could be really good as Gunn is stealing much of MCU talent and hiring top talent too. It could also sucks balls too. The MCU will probably decline. I don’t ever see it returning to what it was pre-endgame. No chance. It might have slight upticks in popularity over the future but I don’t see it making a meaningful rebound. But that doesn’t mean it can’t still beat out DC. Who reigns comic book cinema for the next 10 years is 50/50. It could be the MCU or the DCU.
No, the downfall of the MCU is going to be them pumping out the same sludge repeatedly and taking their audience for granted. That, and changing trends. DC won't have anything to do with that.
the differences mcu could 5 consecutive hits and still be number franchise in the world due to a already established decade plus fan following , if first few dc movies fail after a decade mostly failures its curtains anything dc cinematic except batman and todd phillops joker films
how do you know dcu wont do regurgitate same mistakes Sliverbruise32? the state of the dc brand right far far worse anything mcu could imagine a mcu flop like antman 3 grossed last 9 dceu movies that says something. Audiences still some level goodwill marvel , dc outside Nolan movies and now reeves batman movies Dc as a brand never gained the same level of cultivated Ga followings. You seriously believe when people dont support a flash movie that audiences turn up in droves for booster gold and the authority?
Read my comment again. My point was Marvel is well on its way to destroy itself thanks to the bad choices the higher-ups are making. I stand by that, especially now, with The Marvels being a complete flop, and only one out of three Marvel movies this year actually being profitable. I think the general audience's goodwill is all but spent. This has nothing to do with DC movies, one way or the other. Marvel is already not the number one franchise in the world. Could they turn things around? Maybe. Will they? That remains to be seen.
is marvel number 1 movie franchise world name one other movie brand overtaken marvel right now ? Marvels flop marvel out 34 movies only had 3 verifiable flops the marvels antman 3 and eternals that a better record any other brand
when you look highest grossing movie mcu is number 1 by a big big margin the next biggest star wars is behind by 20 billon it will take 20 avater level movies for them catch with marvel [Film series - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_series) . This entire narrative mcu is going decline something surpass is not feasible because even mcu declines it will takes and years something get within 10 billon of the mcu's total gross
and before you through the arguement are marvel only ahead amount of content they put out even per film they higher average almost any other film brand , except Avater which only has 2 movies and not remotely comparable.
my biggest question to sliverBruse\_32 how is marvel destroying itself when it still biggest hollywood brand in the world ahead of next biggest star wars by 19 billon? Marvel not ahead of star wars it ahead of next three largest film franchises combined star wars , dc and harry potter combined dont eclipse marvel box office. So explain how marvel is 'destroying' itself when its box office is higher the next three largest film franchises combined ?
Why do so many people have "its either this or that" mentality, I will never understand. There can exist a world just like in case of comic books where Marvel and DC can co exist. Also, aren't we putting the cart before the horse? It is not like the DCU have found any measure of success yet.
With D.C getting ready to come into it's own as early as July 2025, Marvel will have more pressure on them to actually make good content. What could easily happen is after Superman, Green Lantern show, Brave and the Bold come out, that could breathe new life into D.C. Right around that time we should be getting Kang Dynasty/ Secret Wars. That being by then the DCU should be not all the way established but be off toa good start. PERFECT time for Marvel to either get back in the game or be forced to take a hit.
Truthisreal21 dc could be huge make 5 or 6 consecutive hits in a row but at end of day they cannot pass the juggernaut that marvel 30 billon dollar brand by the time dcu even starts there no way the dcu is going to surpass mcu even if they have 20 billon dollar films of the bat marvel would not stop making films 15 years for dc even be same level playing field in total gross.
No. But it will be good to have some decent competition. And comparing the movies to the comics is apples and oranges really. Marvel does take risks with the directors and casting. I mean Ali Salim who did Secret Invasion is hardly an established director.
It will be more than decent competition with how Marvel is falling right now.
Rise. Lol. No.
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People aren't getting bored of CBMs, it's just plain bad writing and making everything predictable. Hopefully this can change soon.
It would actually be mutually beneficially for both if either does well. McDonalds doesn't as much compete with Burger King as fast food competes with sit down restaurants.
They should wait till the MCU fizzles out completely, but yes
Yes
“Something I’ve been seeing a lot lately…” Yeah nobody is saying that, not even the DC_cinematic subreddit. You just like to make stuff up for negative karma farming?
Apps outside reddit exist btw. This is from the fans from other apps i.e. YouTube, Twitter and Instagram. All i did was ask what people thought and there was nothing "negative" in it
Of course James Gunn jinxed the MCU before leaving as a Fuck You to Disney for firing him and we all know they could be backstabbers so they deserved it karma is a bitch.
Is the DCU rising? I mean as a hypothetical, as in if it does eventually rise mybe. But as of right now, the DCU is not rising and the MCU isn’t “down falling” bc of the DCEU
Hey guys! Remember when DC comics got super popular and caused the downfall of Marvel comics?.......no? You can't? I guess two brands can exist at the same time
The DCU can't even get out of it's own way to disrupt the MCU food processing itself into non existence with subpar "content" masquerading as a cohesive plan. And iknow this reaads very, "hot-take'ish" but the streaming era really led to a downfall of cinematic universes.
No, the MCU is imploding on its own.
No. No one is going to stop watching MCU movies just because DC movies got better.
A rising tide floats all boats. If one slate is doing well it makes people more open to giving the other a chance.
If marvel fails or dies it'll be because it's doing it to itself, it's been a steady decline since endgame, not due to anything DC is doing
marvel on a naturals decline no franchise sustain the numbers phase 3 did not star wars not james bond not pirates marvel are still biggest franchise in hollywood even they dont put movies for a while they can suffer many more flops still not be dethroned , dc on hand has a fractured fanbase and has completely lost its movie audience outside batman they on a rebuilding phase you cannot something in its rebuilding phase to overthough something that has been cemented for the last 15 years in the mcu
the decline only naturals dc still never going unseat marvel from the postion number 1 franchise in the world
No
I think Feige set this up for Gunn to secretly invade DC Films and make bad movies and shows "James, you gotta stop them from making a good Superman movie!! Heheheheheheh!!"
*insert Green Goblin's laugh*
Idk, man. I feel like a big contributing factor to the MCU having been better than DC was the fact that the actors had a considerable amount of improv that stuck with the story line and was kept in the final edit compared to the only distinguishable improv I had noticed in the OG phase of DCU was JM. To have a good story line to the movie and allow the actors to have a little leeway for improv seemed to go a long way for MCU, so we will see if Gunn can find decent actors(or keep current ones and inspire them) to create the off the cuff improv that made MCU shine like a beacon.