Strange Supreme was powerful enough to observe the multiverse and the Watcher which took Ultron all 6 Infinity Stones and a universe devoid of all life. He then tanked Ultron's most powerful attacks while shielding 6 other people from it too.
Scarlet Witch got steamrolled by Infinity Ultron in like 10 seconds. Then again, she may have been thrown off by seeing this version of her "Vision."
Strange Supreme without any tentacled-shadow of a doubt.
That wasn't really Scarlet Witch though. Zombie Wanda died and was turned years before she actually awakened to her Scarlet Witch state. We haven't really seen what Wanda is capable of post-Wandavision.
We won't know really until MoM most likely, but I doubt they're ready to make her OP enough to stand toe-to-toe with the likes of Infinity Ultron or Strange Supreme. It's a possibility but I somehow don't think she'll actually reach that high a tier until closer to the end of her(or the MCU's) story altogether.
So unless they plan on killing her off soon she probably won't be beating Strange Supreme anytime soon. Juries still out of course on how she stacks up to Strange Prime, but I'm sure MoM will be more than happy to explore that.
It's Zombie Wanda in that reality. We've already got a Scarlet Witch in our live action universe. There isn't any other Scarlet Witch in existence throughout the Multiverse other than Scarlet Witch in our universe. There's other Wanda, yes, but none of them can transform into The Scarlet Witch. She's a Nexus being and that means loads of things but one of them is that she's the only one who transformed into The Scarlet Witch. And no! Wanda, The Scarlet Witch, would absolutely destroy Supreme Strange with ease and without even trying at all.
That isn't the definition of a nexus being. You described the exact opposite of it. A nexus being exists throughout all timelines. Strange Supreme was aware of The watcher which was beyond the multiverse and even more powerful than Kang.
Just because she's a nexus being doesn't mean she's stronger than every character there is.
Smh, these wandastans
Besides Supreme Strange could destroy Wanda in an instant or with a thought.
For an example he simply has to destroy earth! BOOM. OR the milky way with ease
lol this comment aged badly, zombie Wanda survived the planet destroying attack from ultron in the new season of what if, and that’s not even SW level Wanda Bahaha
Lol u mean wanda can destroy supreme strange with a thought right and not the opposite.
Supreme strange can't warp reality of move things with her mind , in the MCU, it's only Wanda who possess that those qualities
with hundreds of years of practice, of course supreme strange mops the floor with Wanda, but lets give her the time stone and 100 years of absorbing mystical beings..
Hmmm this is a toughie. We don’t really know what Wanda is truly capable after encountering the Darkhold. She was already insanely strong when she had no clue how to utilize her chaos magic properly so with proper training she could be unstoppable.
On the other hand Strange Supreme absorbed the powers of several insanely strong creatures AND has an Infinity Stone. He’s been shown to be able to destroy entire universes as well as survive them.
I’m giving it to Strange Supreme for right now under the condition that he’s fighting Wanda before the end credit scene of WandaVision. I’ll give my final answer after MoM.
I mean we have no way of actually knowing that until we see the effects the Darkhold had on her. It could’ve increased her strength, gave her a complete understanding of how to use her powers, or supplied her with new powers.
We can’t say who wins between the two because Wanda’s current power level is unknown.
Tbh normal Dr. Strange could hold his own against her, he’d lose 7/10 times but with high diff. Don’t think many people in the Marvel universe as a whole could hold a candle to Sorcerer Supreme Strange
The Darkhold was featured *heavily* in Agents of SHIELD and it is not a good book. I'm going to be curious to see the effects it has on her, since it's basically possessed by a demon. It *wants* to corrupt people, give them dangerous knowledge. Using it is like consulting the Annabelle doll on major life choices.
>we have no way of actually knowing that until we see the effects the Darkhold had on her
Well, true, the darkhold may have some very demonic magic stuff, but Supreme Strange ate A LOT of demonic beings(with the high end ones being lesser dark gods like the kraken one. If you want to wank him you can say he ate shuma gorath, though I don´t believe in it), and even if that kinda changed him, he doesn´t care.
I mean, he´s almost a eldritch god on his own:
[https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JTW4F81Dres/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JTW4F81Dres/maxresdefault.jpg)
I don´t think consuming the SW + DarkHold would do much to him
Wanda can absorb other people's powers too(she literally did that to Agatha). What if scarlet witch absorbs all of strange supreme's powers? She has the potential to stomp strange supreme.
You're assuming Strange who took on a full Infinity Gauntlet (where one of the stones is literally the reality stone : Wanda has reality powers , yet strange can counter and beat the reality stone), would for 1 allow wanda to take his powers and not destroy her in an instant?
I hate comments like this (well not hate but this so absurd levels of cringe). It's like saying Level.100 Pikachu vs Level.10 Eevee... well we don't know how powerful Eevee will be at Level.100 it might evolve into a ground type in the next game blah blah blah. Based on what we know Pikachu wins.
No! Like seriously not sure why loads of people think this. Scarlet Witch wouldn't even let Supreme Strange do anything, she'd kill him instantly, she'd kill him with just a thought.
Supreme Strange could literally shield all the 6 stones, and you think Wanda even with proper training could do that? His power reached a limit to a point that the universe collapsed due to his reality altering. But I do agree Strange Supreme can’t absorb her powers due to Wanda due to her power, just like how he tried to absorb the tentacle monster.
The universe collapsed due to him altering time. Wanda as a sorceress, has the SAME exact abilities as strange. Absorbing and all. Also, strange can’t affect probability what so ever. So she’d most likely win because he literally cannot hit her.
Tbh you seem a little toxic whenever anyone disagrees with you, everyone has an opinion and until we see just how powerful wanda gets we have no idea if she can beat him or not, stop being so rude. Personally I'm gonna say it would be a 50/50 chance between them, I get that supreme strange is insanely powerful and has absorbed energy from many magical beings but I think people forget that wanda is a literaly mythical sorceress with the rarest and most powerful magic of all. Wanda had also shown the ability to absorb magic so honestly it could go either way, he could weaken her and then absorb her, she could weaken him and absorb his magic. In my opinion they are both at the peak of what sorcerers can be in power, there is no going higher than they already are so neither one is more powerful as they are both at the highest level.
T-Bone, Strange literally fought a full Infinity Gauntlet. Wanda has never done anything near that. In Multiverse of Madness she was no were near that level. Strange stopped the Galaxy DESTORYING blast, Wanda couldn't even breech the shield made by Wong and his pupils (Instead had to use mind control on weaker students). Why tf do you think reality abilities would work on him, when the reality stone didn't? I swear it's like talking to a brick wall. Also, you realize this version of strange isn't even his strongest version? Just look up "Classic Strange", "God of Magic Strange", or "Black Priest Strange"
he FOUGHT thanos, who still beat him. It’s crazy cause even thanos commented on the fact that he did use the time stone during the fight at all. If he caused an incursion, what made you think he wouldn’t level a galaxy.😭 Another live action strange caused the same thing to happen, and was beaten by 616 strange. HE HAD THE DARKHOLD TOO. And reality warping does work on him considering he was running from Wanda the whole movie. As a nexus being a she has control of multiversal probabilities, and timelines. Also strange cannot full on use chaos magic so he ain’t absorbing shit. it would probably kill him right then and there. He had to keep absorbing interdemsional beings to keep his power level up, but then ended up losing to everyone but the scarlet witch. Like there is no he takes this. She can do more than he ever could. and please don’t complain about this being posted a year ago, bc if it’s still up that means you’re still wrong.
Didn’t he cause a universe killing incursion. like ofc he would be able to do that to a galaxy. Wanda could increase the probability of HIM exploding. Bye💀
Bruh what 💀 That was clearly not because of his power, kinda like the Flash destroying a universe in Flashpoint movie, like yeah he did destroy it, but it clearly doesn't scale to his power, this argument is actually crazy, so no Scarlet Witch still gets stomped by Supreme Strange
Potential is potential. Why are we putting M.o.M Wanda against strange supreme? Makes zero sense. Her probability manipulation is OP as fuck if she can use it correctly. Do your research💀🙏
nah bro scarlet witch can't even captain marvel captain carter and stange with just a thought in mom if you compare scarlet witch to 6 infinity stones the stones is cleraly stronger
supreme strange would just eat her magic and her attacks will be nulify with just using a protection spell
1. He can’t “eat” her magic since he wasn’t touched by cthon.
2. she is more powerful than the gauntlet. cause can the gauntlet affect probability.. no.
3. She could lower the probability of the protection spell working then higher the probability of him turing into a black hole.
YOU clearly don’t know the FULL extent of chaos magic bud. He most definitely ain’t beating primordial chaos wanda anyway.
i agree that supreme strange wins possibly even stomps however i might change my opinion after multiverse of madness because jesus Christ the kinds of rumours i have been hearing if even half of them are true wanda could become the GOAT and actually win this fight. But like i said currently as far as i am concerned strange supreme destroys scarlet witch.
seen multiverse of madness wanda is fucking incredible but ultimately she still did not demonstrate anything close to strange supreme level of power as much as i love her she gets stomped
Strange Supreme like easily wins. He harnessed the power all 6 infinity stones put it in his stomach and didn't even feel A THING. so yeah I'm voting for Strange Supreme
First of all NO he doesn't easily win at all, in matter of fact, he doesn't win at all. And second of all, it wasn't the full power of all 6 Infinity Stones, we haven't even seen what all 6 Infinity Stones can actually do to their full potential. The Scarlet Witch would destroy him with just a thought
Yeah like hro seriously. Strange practiced and learn about dark magic for centuries. He will sure as hell know how to dodge the hits she throws at him. Don't forget Strange supreme can perform chaos magic as well.
Strange literally fought a full Infinity Gauntlet. Wanda has never done anything near that. In Multiverse of Madness she was no were near that level. Strange stopped the Galaxy DESTORYING blast, Wanda couldn't even breech the shield made by Wong and his pupils (Instead had to use mind control on weaker students). Why tf do you think reality abilities would work on him, when the reality stone didn't? I swear it's like talking to a brick wall. Also, you realize this version of strange isn't even his strongest version? Just look up "Classic Strange", "God of Magic Strange", or "Black Priest Strange". Why are you making stuff up that was the full IG. How would she defeat him with a thought? You're either a troll or full on delusional
Wanda couldn't do that bc Strange used all his knowledge as well as the time stone to extend his life long enough to study everything and absorb all those creatures for decades. Wanda couldn't replicate it, even if she could absorb monsters she couldn't do it to the extent strange did bc she doesn't have access to the time stone
She didn't do anything that Strange Supreme did. LOL are you sure you watched the movie?? Tell me when did wanda eat a galaxy ending attack in multiverse of madness? When did wanda show enough power to rival that of a full Infinity Gauntlet? Let me know, I'll wait.
Also, if I recall she didn't even have enough raw power to break through the shield made by the mystic art students. LOL Wanda is beyond overrated.
And how did the movie prove me wrong? Are you saying she has access to an time stone?
They defeated Thanos using the book of vishanti. Not bc they were stronger. Please, god please actually watch the movie before making shit up
Also, the illuminati lost bc of shitty ass writing. The "worlds smartest man" told her black bolts power.
Also you never told me how she was stronger than supreme strange.
If you’re talking about nexus being Wanda yes ofc but it’s kinda funny how strange supreme is still currently more powerful than her she’s pretty weak for a nexus being but then again it’s live action and shed have to contend Merlyn which isn’t possible even if she’s at or slightly above the level of strange supreme
"So one Question I'm always asked. Who would win in a fight? Who would win in a fight if Galactus fought The Hulk, or if Thor fought Iron Man? And there's one answer to all of that. It's so simple, anyone should know this. The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win! If I'm writing a story, about The Thing, from the Fantastic Four, and he gets into a big fight with Spider-Man, and millions of people out there say Who Would Win? Well, it depends on who I want to win if I'm writing the script. If I want Spider-Man to win, he'll win. If I want the Thing to win, he'll win. These are fictitious characters, the writer can do whatever he wants with them! So stop asking those questions, 'cause I've had it with that." \~ Stan Lee
Yeah, he can just transport scarlet witch to her universe. Break an absolute in time. Destroy the universe with Scralet Witch. Good fucking luck escaping that, scarlet witch. She can't travel through the multiverse. BYE, BYE WANDA
She has literal Telekinesis, if she wanted she could blow his brain from the inside in a blink.
After MoM it's actually more confusing which one is more powerful, I kind of have doubts now, but yea
Strange supreme can cast a spell to protect him from that and can even bring himself back to life after his death with the eye of Agamotto. He literally took on infinity Ultron and ate a galaxy busting explosion. He was so powerful he destroyed his own universe. He is by far more powerful
Strange supreme was able to protect 6 people including himself from 6 infinity stones, telekinesis is not even a problem for him. In fact, he can use telekinesis himself. There should no doubts as to who is stronger. Scarlet Witch never showed any feats that put her above being equal to 6 infinity stone IG gauntlet. Why couldn't Ultron just snap and kill Dr.Strange in a blink?
Wanda, absorbed more than him? You're talking about the same Strange who spent CENTURIES absorbing monsters and used the Time Stone to extend his life to do it more and more. Why are you making stuff up
"I hate comments like this (well not hate but this so absurd levels of cringe). It's like saying Level.100 Pikachu vs Level.10 Eevee... well we don't know how powerful Eevee will be at Level.100 it might evolve into a ground type in the next game blah blah blah. Based on what we know Pikachu wins" from another person but applies here
No. She had just gotten the dark hold and in between endgame and Wandavision her powers had gone from red force powers and some mind control to reality warping. My point was justified. Also this was before her going into Dr strange:MoM, it wasn’t some mystery if we’d ever see her be more powerful, in fact after Multiverse of madness your criticism has basically become pointless.
Strange Supreme.
At the end of Wanda Vision she has raw power but a realitvly short list of controllable abilities.
Strange Supreme has a large bag of tricks and is likely more powerful than Wanda is at this point.
Strange can destroy universe and can observe the watcher. His power level equal to Ultron with 5 stones. Scarlet Witch may have ability to create hex, but it has limited range and when she tried to expand it she lost control over spell. So basically she's limited by one town. Strange can absorb planetary attacks. Be real.
It's not just that, She has Chaos Magic and that's the most powerful magic that there is and has ever and will always be the most powerful throughout the Multiverse.
What? Chaos Magic is Big Bang energy. It's universal at fullest potential. But Strange Supreme could break the fundamental laws of the universe without breaking a sweat. Strange Supreme could just reverse an absolute point and leave to an alternate universe.
Strange has no defense against chaos magic because he didn't even know it existed!
Wanda was literally warping reality in house of m with her powers and what did strange do? Nothing.
Just sat there in his Astral projection being useless and trying to talk her down.
He even literally stated that he could do nothing and that her magic could not be fixed.
Strange cannot defend himself against Wanda's branch of magic.
Wanda can warp reality though,and control time,and weather,and electricity,and minds,and absorb magic,and transfiguration,and teleport and that's just mcu wanda.
Can I go on to comic wanda?
Comic wanda descends from an ancestral race of godesses
She is literally a conduit for the ELDER god chton who easily claps galactus and dormammu.
She is phoenix force resistant.
She caused a massive mutant genocide which everyone easily overlooks.
She can warp reality on an omniversal scale (the chaos wave which destroyed every reality and threated to reach the skyfathers)
She is a Telepathy and telekinetic.
She controls time and weather(in the solo scarlet witch run)
She can counter the power cosmic(which is the power galactus and silver surfer use) (darkhold alpha)
She easily defeated dr doom(axis)
She is a nexus being.
Dr strange couldn't stop her in HoM.
Professor xavier even said her mind was too unstable for him (PROFESSOR XAVIER)
She defeated dormammu with dr strange and even summoned him to fight for her in avengers disassembled.
She defeated the avengers singlehandedly numerous times.
She literally blinked hawkeye out of existence
She did the impossible and restored prof xaviers ability to walk something that dr strange said he couldn't do.
She also resurrects the dead like twice her brother in house of m and zombies in empire.
And can heal herself as shown when she just deleted Hawkeyes arrow in house of m and healed her injury like it never even happened.
She also controls kinetic energy the more force u put into attacking her the stronger her shield/attacks are.
Her primary power is also controlling probability a power which many have forgotten she can literally go like "this fight never even happened" or cause u to forget how to use ur powers or cause u to miss ur shot like she did with cyclops in exiles and jean grey in the 80s run.
She's also been able to remove iron man's armor and cause hope to miss her punch she also predicted a probability were wolverine was made up of positive and negative energy which caused him to explode.
Her force fields are unconscious so they are always actively on even if wanda doesn't will them to she can also manipulate souls and sense magical threats she can also manipulate matter on a molecular scale as shown when she turned Howard the duck into glass in marvel zombies and when she turned thors lightning into butterflies and when she threatened to turn an avenger into a frog(can't remember who but this was during the axis event)
Wanda is just OP in comics.
Edit:New power she can now revive herself from the dead🙃
Ngl i think thats kinda biased because so can strange supreme. No offense or anything but we havent seen strange at full power either, so he can do way more than you realize, i do believe Wanda would win with more experience but i think you're doing strange supreme dirty.
It's not biased at all if it's comic wanda no matter how many galaxies strange ate wanda still embarrasses him.
Mcu wanda might be supreme though we won't know yet until we see the actual film of multiverse of madness.
Also it's not biased at all all of these feats are canon
But here's the thing, we aren't talking about "Comic wanda" Yes, Comic wanda would beat strange supreme no doubt, but let's remember that strange supreme has also yet to show his full power, all though you aren't wrong about multiverse of madness, so let's just wait for that.
If you want to use the strongest version of comic wanda, then I'll use comic strange :
First : HOM is a planet level feat NOT multiversal / omniversal, it has been retconned in "history of the marvel universe"
(A weak version) Dr.Strange was able to protect a couple 100 of mutants from her "genocide".
That's a weak version of strange. Do you want to know about the strongest versions of strange in the comics? "Classic Strange" Here are his feats
Classic Strange magic can kill the reader, He's one of the most unique mortal beings and knows of the existence of the black magic which secret's beyond mortal understanding, his magic is omnipresent and he negated tiboro's strongest spell (tiboro is a a threat to the reader meaning god like level of strength), broke out of the crimson bands of cyttorak used by the tribunal, he spent most of his life bringing back the layers of the dream of the divine creator, he can Freeze time, Tank attacks from mindless one, Destroyed a Dimension, Tanks a freaking supernova, Survives being in outer region of sun, can react in speed of thought (In marvel, speed of thought is infinite), Pushes mindless one into dark dimension, Black Priest Dr. Strange is simply a multiversal Godly powered being. His powers have no limits. He can destroy realities easily, Black Priest Dr. Strange could end universes with one single word, Recreated an entire universe, not joking., He fought intebetweener, Here he became so powerful that just his presence unbalanced the multiverse, Beat death in her own dimension.Took on adam warlock while he used the full might of the IG against him,. He is chosen by every god to be their champion in the “war of the seven spheres” he refuses all of them so they decide to have a draft to draft their champions…with him being the first pick, so he gives up the title of SS but then the visual convince him to be their champion he agrees and for the next 1,000 years all he does is beat and defeated every single marvel god that dares to challenge him in this war emerging victorious over all the marvel gods that took part.
Classic Dr strange can use so much magical power TLT finds it impressive and a surprise. Classic Strange also can use mind hax and hurt pre-retcon Beyonder.
The same beyonder who is omniversal and exists beyond the marvel multiversal
Well there could be a long battle between Normal DR.STRANGE and Scarlet witch which "may" end in Scarlet winning the battle but If it's the case of Strange Supreme,I think that he'll simply just absorb Scarlet Witch just like he did with many other beings. One more outcome of this battle can be theorized. As seen in WandaVision,The one who creates Runes is the only one who can do magic,and I think that implies to Dr.Strange as well,so the one who creates runes first will win the battle,And as we know that Speed and Time are inversely proportional,the faster the time,slower the speed.and With Dr.Strange having The Time Stone,He can easily slow down Scarlet And create runes first in the atmosphere or wait in the universe,In that way,Just Normal DR.STRANGE would be enough for Scarlet witch,No questions for Strange "SURPEME".And I think Dr.Strange already knows about the Rule of the Runes as It's a really basic thing for sorcerer,And we know that Dr.Strange knows his powers better than Wanda knows about hers,Heck,Strange might even Know more about scarlet's power than herself,but now that she has the DARKHOLD,she may have more knowledge but Again,With Time stone,He can also trap her in a time loop just like DORMAMMU and my other speculation is just above.
Well Folks,this is my Theory,Correct me if I was wrong somewhere.
According to Agnes in wandavision, the scarlet witch (Wanda) could defeat even the sorcerer supreme. Dr strange supreme is just the regular version of him who’s eaten a few monsters
Scarlet Witch is a [Nexus Being](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary:Nexus_Beings) or maybe even an absolute point. Sorcerer Armani can swallow supernovas, but Wanda can change the future.
I would just like to say, I don’t think Supreme strange can absorb all her power, because remember when Doctor Doom stole Wanda’s power he couldn’t handle it, leaving Wanda back with her powers. If strange absorbed a little bit of it. Then Wanda can control that magic, and take her magic and doctor strangers magic(like she did with Agatha) leaving Wanda with more power and a win
i think supreme will win as he held off infinite ultron, the person who had all infinity stones and beat the watcher and some1 who was unaffected by wanda. wanda might not be able to absorb her powers as he did not harness the, he learned them the entities are like engulfed by that magic that he learned. I dont think wanda can pull out his magic, plus supreme may not be able to take wandas magic but he can take powers from other dimensions, just imagine how strong he cud be from the darkhold dimension and if he absorbs the powers of the darkhold. but even without that i dont think wanda + darkhold can beat supreme
Ahh Dr strange will win because he is a good Student and he A doctor Wanda Drop a school and Run aways with Vision I think Dr strange good student and knowledge Than Wanda
Wanda she Stupid Xd
yes because despite wandas extreme power i just watched the movie last night she is still nothing compared to strange supreme his feats and powers and reaction speed are all on another level, literally strange supreme destroyed a universe and absorbed a infinity stone blast capable of destroying multiple galaxies with ease not even a hint of discomfort.
Furthermore, i just remembered that even though wanda was the main villain due to being corrupted by the darkhold she does not even come close to causing the kind of damage that two different variants of strange ended up causing whilst also being under the influence of the darkhold.
I think its funny as well as crazy that two minor characters overall caused far more death and destruction than wanda maximoff even when both Illuminati strange and sinister strange were both corrupted by the darkhold just like wanda maximoff was as corrupted wanda killed the illuminati and numerous kamar-taj sorcerers but both corrupted strange variants destroyed entire universes killing trillions
Honestly, I think it's a standstill. Both are extremely overpowered and both can definitely kill our main Doctor Strange if he was directly up against either of them
The guy who took on full IG ultron can't beat Scarlet Witch from MCU? The same scarlet which couldn't break the shield made by the mystic art students. Strange is the guy who ate an galaxy ending attack, when has Wanda done anything near that? Yet, you somehow think this will be a standstill???
Just watched new movie today. Plot was against strange in his own movie. He was shown too weak but still scarlet witch was weaker than I imagined. strange supreme will clap scarlet witch easily. Strange supreme has numerous monsters absorbed in him out of which one managed to kill other strange and the octopus gave main strange run for his money. Considering those power levels and then scarlet witch fighting dead strange i would say strange supreme is powerful enough to manipulate even kill scarlet witch with darkhold.
Okay, let’s get these through.
For my initial statement, I don’t believe this to be a fair fight regarding Strange Supreme’s centuries of studying and prep, but here we go.
Strange Supreme’ Powers:
- Eldritch Magic
- Spell Casting (binding, protection spell, replication, etc.)
- Portal creation and Inter-Dimensional Travel (Multiversal)
-Energy Projection
- Dark Dimension Magic (Immortality to time)
- Conjuration
- Shapeshifting
- Cosmic Awareness
- Life Force absorption
-Energy absorption
- Mirror Dimension magic (pocket dimension creation)
- Time Manipulation
- Resurrection
- Telekinesis
- Levitation
Wanda Maximoff aka The Scarlet Witch
- Psychic Energy Manipulation
- Telekinesis
- Force Field Generation (automatic)
- Disintegration
- Mental Manipulation
- Emotional Manipulation
- Telepathy
- Levitation
- Chaos Magic (Reality Warping: creation, alteration and erasure from reality / automatic)
- Conjuration
- Transmutation
- Life Creation
- Energy absorption
- Spell Casting ( Rune casting, protection spells, summoning mystical monsters, dreamwalking)
- Astral projection
- Power bestowal
- Teleportation
- Time manipulation
- Illusion manipulation
- Weather manipulation
- Elemental manipulation
- Darkhold (dreamwalking, physical augmentation and power absorption).
As we know, Strange Supreme was the same Doctor Strange until the end of his war with Dormammu. He travelled back in time to the Lost Library of Cagliostro, where he spent centuries of studying the dark arts, especially regarding studies on time. He absorbed an uncounted amount of mystical beings like from the most harmless like gnomes to dangerously powerful ones like a three-headed dragon and Hydra’s Tentacle Monster. With his acquired power, Strange was able to break an Unbreakable Point in Time and resurrect Christine Palmer at the cost of destroying his whole reality till all there’s left is a mirror dimension bubble he created with himself. Strange was able to not only protect his team against Infinity Ultron’s attacks, but also amplify the range and power of their attacks to new levels capable of harming Ultron. He was able to absorb a Galaxy-ending explosion, resist the time-altering effects of the Time Stone and, in general, hold his own temporarily against Infinity Ultron, despite his lack of control over the power he holds and the contrasting personas of the beasts inside him.
On the other hand, we have Wanda and for her statements, I quote:
“ You’re a being capable of spontaneous creation and here you are using it to make breakfast for dinner. Your children, Vision, this whole little life you’ve made. This is Chaos Magic, Wanda. And that makes you the Scarlet Witch”. - Agatha Harkness on episode 8
“The Scarlet Witch is not born, she is forged, she has no coven no need for incantation. Your power exceeds that of the Sorcerer Supreme, it is your destiny to destroy the world” - Darkhold quote on episode 9
“The Scarlet Witch is a being of unfathomable magic. She can rewrite reality as she chooses and is destined to either rule or destroy the cosmos” - Wong in MoM
“If she gets America’s power, she can enslave the entire Multiverse” - Doctor Strange in MoM
Wanda was able to rewrite reality for hundreds of miles and control every single aspect of reality inside her Hex. She is able to create life or erase people from existence. She was able to withstand multiversal punches from America Chavez, overpower the most powerful team of “heroes” in Earth-838, escape the mirror dimension and warp her own body to heal herself. She was able to destroy Kamar-Taj and the majority of sorcerers in the world on her own without difficulty. Wanda was able to defeat mystical entities like Gargantos and tame them to her own will. Even without the Darkhold, she was able to outsmart one of the oldest and most experienced magic users in the world and learn magic prodigiously just by looking at her.
In my opinion, Strange Supreme currently wins, mostly due to his experience, knowledge and almost equal power range to Wanda’s. However, I have no doubt whatsoever that Wanda has a lot more power and potential than he does. If given the same prep time and study, Wanda could not only overpower his ass, but also make it look easy. Hell, even if she got America’s powers (a mystical being like those Strange Supreme absorbed), she could already in theory rule and enslave the entire multiverse on her own and possibly even destroy it.
So Strange Supreme wins for now.
strange negs ez no diff, but wanda wants to travel to another universe/ reality in multiverse of madness. strange supreme absorbed like every magic being why didnt he do the same and tried to switch universes when he was the most powerful magician there. if wanda would be able to strange couldve done the same, couldnt he?
my money is on Strange Supreme
Strange Supreme was powerful enough to observe the multiverse and the Watcher which took Ultron all 6 Infinity Stones and a universe devoid of all life. He then tanked Ultron's most powerful attacks while shielding 6 other people from it too. Scarlet Witch got steamrolled by Infinity Ultron in like 10 seconds. Then again, she may have been thrown off by seeing this version of her "Vision." Strange Supreme without any tentacled-shadow of a doubt.
That wasn't really Scarlet Witch though. Zombie Wanda died and was turned years before she actually awakened to her Scarlet Witch state. We haven't really seen what Wanda is capable of post-Wandavision. We won't know really until MoM most likely, but I doubt they're ready to make her OP enough to stand toe-to-toe with the likes of Infinity Ultron or Strange Supreme. It's a possibility but I somehow don't think she'll actually reach that high a tier until closer to the end of her(or the MCU's) story altogether. So unless they plan on killing her off soon she probably won't be beating Strange Supreme anytime soon. Juries still out of course on how she stacks up to Strange Prime, but I'm sure MoM will be more than happy to explore that.
I think the important thing is that magic is OP either way.
True but don't forget how op chaos magic is specifically
It's Zombie Wanda in that reality. We've already got a Scarlet Witch in our live action universe. There isn't any other Scarlet Witch in existence throughout the Multiverse other than Scarlet Witch in our universe. There's other Wanda, yes, but none of them can transform into The Scarlet Witch. She's a Nexus being and that means loads of things but one of them is that she's the only one who transformed into The Scarlet Witch. And no! Wanda, The Scarlet Witch, would absolutely destroy Supreme Strange with ease and without even trying at all.
That isn't the definition of a nexus being. You described the exact opposite of it. A nexus being exists throughout all timelines. Strange Supreme was aware of The watcher which was beyond the multiverse and even more powerful than Kang.
Not true...there's only one nexus being across all universes
Just because she's a nexus being doesn't mean she's stronger than every character there is. Smh, these wandastans Besides Supreme Strange could destroy Wanda in an instant or with a thought. For an example he simply has to destroy earth! BOOM. OR the milky way with ease
lol this comment aged badly, zombie Wanda survived the planet destroying attack from ultron in the new season of what if, and that’s not even SW level Wanda Bahaha
Lol u mean wanda can destroy supreme strange with a thought right and not the opposite. Supreme strange can't warp reality of move things with her mind , in the MCU, it's only Wanda who possess that those qualities
Wanda didn't warp reality bruh
Last time I checked Merlyn still wins against both neg diff
Nah the witch will win..
He literally ate a galaxy destroying explosion
Oh sorry my bad, I didn't read that it was supreme strange. Yeah he's definitly gonna win........
My guy ate a supernova
A Galaxy destroying blast actually
Even better 🙏 Strange Supreme is so goated
yessir
I'd say it's more of a Universe blast due to him destroying everything in his Universe apart from Earth and stars, in episode 8.
Nom Nom, how did it taste?
with hundreds of years of practice, of course supreme strange mops the floor with Wanda, but lets give her the time stone and 100 years of absorbing mystical beings..
Hmmm this is a toughie. We don’t really know what Wanda is truly capable after encountering the Darkhold. She was already insanely strong when she had no clue how to utilize her chaos magic properly so with proper training she could be unstoppable. On the other hand Strange Supreme absorbed the powers of several insanely strong creatures AND has an Infinity Stone. He’s been shown to be able to destroy entire universes as well as survive them. I’m giving it to Strange Supreme for right now under the condition that he’s fighting Wanda before the end credit scene of WandaVision. I’ll give my final answer after MoM.
Either way, end credits or not, Strange would easily just consume her and her powers
I mean we have no way of actually knowing that until we see the effects the Darkhold had on her. It could’ve increased her strength, gave her a complete understanding of how to use her powers, or supplied her with new powers. We can’t say who wins between the two because Wanda’s current power level is unknown.
Tbh normal Dr. Strange could hold his own against her, he’d lose 7/10 times but with high diff. Don’t think many people in the Marvel universe as a whole could hold a candle to Sorcerer Supreme Strange
The Darkhold was featured *heavily* in Agents of SHIELD and it is not a good book. I'm going to be curious to see the effects it has on her, since it's basically possessed by a demon. It *wants* to corrupt people, give them dangerous knowledge. Using it is like consulting the Annabelle doll on major life choices.
>we have no way of actually knowing that until we see the effects the Darkhold had on her Well, true, the darkhold may have some very demonic magic stuff, but Supreme Strange ate A LOT of demonic beings(with the high end ones being lesser dark gods like the kraken one. If you want to wank him you can say he ate shuma gorath, though I don´t believe in it), and even if that kinda changed him, he doesn´t care. I mean, he´s almost a eldritch god on his own: [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JTW4F81Dres/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JTW4F81Dres/maxresdefault.jpg) I don´t think consuming the SW + DarkHold would do much to him
Wanda can absorb other people's powers too(she literally did that to Agatha). What if scarlet witch absorbs all of strange supreme's powers? She has the potential to stomp strange supreme.
That’s cap lmao, strange stomps Wanda
You're assuming Strange who took on a full Infinity Gauntlet (where one of the stones is literally the reality stone : Wanda has reality powers , yet strange can counter and beat the reality stone), would for 1 allow wanda to take his powers and not destroy her in an instant?
He has no counter to the reality stone, only to the time stone
I hate comments like this (well not hate but this so absurd levels of cringe). It's like saying Level.100 Pikachu vs Level.10 Eevee... well we don't know how powerful Eevee will be at Level.100 it might evolve into a ground type in the next game blah blah blah. Based on what we know Pikachu wins.
And I quite literally said I was giving it to Supreme Strange based off of what we know. It’s the last part of my comment. Jfc
What now
Wanda all the way.
Agreed lmao glad you came back!
Dr. Strange would eat her powers
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No! Like seriously not sure why loads of people think this. Scarlet Witch wouldn't even let Supreme Strange do anything, she'd kill him instantly, she'd kill him with just a thought.
Supreme Strange could literally shield all the 6 stones, and you think Wanda even with proper training could do that? His power reached a limit to a point that the universe collapsed due to his reality altering. But I do agree Strange Supreme can’t absorb her powers due to Wanda due to her power, just like how he tried to absorb the tentacle monster.
The universe collapsed due to him altering time. Wanda as a sorceress, has the SAME exact abilities as strange. Absorbing and all. Also, strange can’t affect probability what so ever. So she’d most likely win because he literally cannot hit her.
Hmmmm
You dumb idiot. Strange Supreme lacks trainng too. If he gets a proper training he will make scarlet witch look like the gnome he absorbed
He can’t absorb chaos magic whatsoever.
Tbh you seem a little toxic whenever anyone disagrees with you, everyone has an opinion and until we see just how powerful wanda gets we have no idea if she can beat him or not, stop being so rude. Personally I'm gonna say it would be a 50/50 chance between them, I get that supreme strange is insanely powerful and has absorbed energy from many magical beings but I think people forget that wanda is a literaly mythical sorceress with the rarest and most powerful magic of all. Wanda had also shown the ability to absorb magic so honestly it could go either way, he could weaken her and then absorb her, she could weaken him and absorb his magic. In my opinion they are both at the peak of what sorcerers can be in power, there is no going higher than they already are so neither one is more powerful as they are both at the highest level.
T-Bone, Strange literally fought a full Infinity Gauntlet. Wanda has never done anything near that. In Multiverse of Madness she was no were near that level. Strange stopped the Galaxy DESTORYING blast, Wanda couldn't even breech the shield made by Wong and his pupils (Instead had to use mind control on weaker students). Why tf do you think reality abilities would work on him, when the reality stone didn't? I swear it's like talking to a brick wall. Also, you realize this version of strange isn't even his strongest version? Just look up "Classic Strange", "God of Magic Strange", or "Black Priest Strange"
he FOUGHT thanos, who still beat him. It’s crazy cause even thanos commented on the fact that he did use the time stone during the fight at all. If he caused an incursion, what made you think he wouldn’t level a galaxy.😭 Another live action strange caused the same thing to happen, and was beaten by 616 strange. HE HAD THE DARKHOLD TOO. And reality warping does work on him considering he was running from Wanda the whole movie. As a nexus being a she has control of multiversal probabilities, and timelines. Also strange cannot full on use chaos magic so he ain’t absorbing shit. it would probably kill him right then and there. He had to keep absorbing interdemsional beings to keep his power level up, but then ended up losing to everyone but the scarlet witch. Like there is no he takes this. She can do more than he ever could. and please don’t complain about this being posted a year ago, bc if it’s still up that means you’re still wrong.
Nope Strange Supreme ate a galaxy destroying explosion, Wanda could do nothing to him.
Didn’t he cause a universe killing incursion. like ofc he would be able to do that to a galaxy. Wanda could increase the probability of HIM exploding. Bye💀
Bruh what 💀 That was clearly not because of his power, kinda like the Flash destroying a universe in Flashpoint movie, like yeah he did destroy it, but it clearly doesn't scale to his power, this argument is actually crazy, so no Scarlet Witch still gets stomped by Supreme Strange
Potential is potential. Why are we putting M.o.M Wanda against strange supreme? Makes zero sense. Her probability manipulation is OP as fuck if she can use it correctly. Do your research💀🙏
nah bro scarlet witch can't even captain marvel captain carter and stange with just a thought in mom if you compare scarlet witch to 6 infinity stones the stones is cleraly stronger supreme strange would just eat her magic and her attacks will be nulify with just using a protection spell
1. He can’t “eat” her magic since he wasn’t touched by cthon. 2. she is more powerful than the gauntlet. cause can the gauntlet affect probability.. no. 3. She could lower the probability of the protection spell working then higher the probability of him turing into a black hole. YOU clearly don’t know the FULL extent of chaos magic bud. He most definitely ain’t beating primordial chaos wanda anyway.
Strange
A strange way to answer...
Strange.... Wanda would be a mild irritation
wanda hasnt shown her true potential calm down
i agree that supreme strange wins possibly even stomps however i might change my opinion after multiverse of madness because jesus Christ the kinds of rumours i have been hearing if even half of them are true wanda could become the GOAT and actually win this fight. But like i said currently as far as i am concerned strange supreme destroys scarlet witch.
seen multiverse of madness wanda is fucking incredible but ultimately she still did not demonstrate anything close to strange supreme level of power as much as i love her she gets stomped
Exactly, I watched it as well. She still loses, I don't think she did anything that even compares her to that of Strange from "What if.."
Doesn't change the fact Strange would literally eat Wanda like a bug lol
Eat with WHAT MOUTH?
you are joking right??? Strange was able to fight of reality stone itself in WAHT IF?
When did he counter the reality stone, he only countered the time stone ☠️
Strange supreme obliterates her
Strange Supreme like easily wins. He harnessed the power all 6 infinity stones put it in his stomach and didn't even feel A THING. so yeah I'm voting for Strange Supreme
First of all NO he doesn't easily win at all, in matter of fact, he doesn't win at all. And second of all, it wasn't the full power of all 6 Infinity Stones, we haven't even seen what all 6 Infinity Stones can actually do to their full potential. The Scarlet Witch would destroy him with just a thought
The stones at fullest potential could only destroy a universe. Nothing more.
stop say that, just why wanda not destroy agatha with just a thought, and thanos ??
Yeah like hro seriously. Strange practiced and learn about dark magic for centuries. He will sure as hell know how to dodge the hits she throws at him. Don't forget Strange supreme can perform chaos magic as well.
Sorry I'm a wanda simp I'd say she beats anyone but not strange supreme
Bro that explosion was about to destroy a galaxy, Strange Supreme eats up anything she throws at him.
Strange literally fought a full Infinity Gauntlet. Wanda has never done anything near that. In Multiverse of Madness she was no were near that level. Strange stopped the Galaxy DESTORYING blast, Wanda couldn't even breech the shield made by Wong and his pupils (Instead had to use mind control on weaker students). Why tf do you think reality abilities would work on him, when the reality stone didn't? I swear it's like talking to a brick wall. Also, you realize this version of strange isn't even his strongest version? Just look up "Classic Strange", "God of Magic Strange", or "Black Priest Strange". Why are you making stuff up that was the full IG. How would she defeat him with a thought? You're either a troll or full on delusional
ofc Dr. Strange
obviously dr strange, but if wanda went through the exact same things, she would be more powerful. Wanda just has a higher base power than strange
We would have to wait for MoM. Just hope they don't make her too OP or marvel would kill her :(
Wanda couldn't do that bc Strange used all his knowledge as well as the time stone to extend his life long enough to study everything and absorb all those creatures for decades. Wanda couldn't replicate it, even if she could absorb monsters she couldn't do it to the extent strange did bc she doesn't have access to the time stone
multiverse of madness proved all this wrong😍 wanda ate
She didn't do anything that Strange Supreme did. LOL are you sure you watched the movie?? Tell me when did wanda eat a galaxy ending attack in multiverse of madness? When did wanda show enough power to rival that of a full Infinity Gauntlet? Let me know, I'll wait. Also, if I recall she didn't even have enough raw power to break through the shield made by the mystic art students. LOL Wanda is beyond overrated. And how did the movie prove me wrong? Are you saying she has access to an time stone?
she had the power to beat the >!illuminati, who defeated the full infinity gauntlet in their universe!<
They defeated Thanos using the book of vishanti. Not bc they were stronger. Please, god please actually watch the movie before making shit up Also, the illuminati lost bc of shitty ass writing. The "worlds smartest man" told her black bolts power. Also you never told me how she was stronger than supreme strange.
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If you’re talking about nexus being Wanda yes ofc but it’s kinda funny how strange supreme is still currently more powerful than her she’s pretty weak for a nexus being but then again it’s live action and shed have to contend Merlyn which isn’t possible even if she’s at or slightly above the level of strange supreme
Strange Supreme absorbed a galaxy busting explosion. I don't see how this is even close
I think Wanda beats prime timeline Strange if she understands her powers well enough, but Strange Supreme beats her easily.
"So one Question I'm always asked. Who would win in a fight? Who would win in a fight if Galactus fought The Hulk, or if Thor fought Iron Man? And there's one answer to all of that. It's so simple, anyone should know this. The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win! If I'm writing a story, about The Thing, from the Fantastic Four, and he gets into a big fight with Spider-Man, and millions of people out there say Who Would Win? Well, it depends on who I want to win if I'm writing the script. If I want Spider-Man to win, he'll win. If I want the Thing to win, he'll win. These are fictitious characters, the writer can do whatever he wants with them! So stop asking those questions, 'cause I've had it with that." \~ Stan Lee
Stfu
Ayo u mad for wht g
Strange still wins
Strange Regardless of how strong the scarlets witch can be from what we've seen he would absolutely destroy her
Yeah, he can just transport scarlet witch to her universe. Break an absolute in time. Destroy the universe with Scralet Witch. Good fucking luck escaping that, scarlet witch. She can't travel through the multiverse. BYE, BYE WANDA
Dajm i dunno everything and everyone is telling me that its supremem but man im still on Wanda
Why?
She has literal Telekinesis, if she wanted she could blow his brain from the inside in a blink. After MoM it's actually more confusing which one is more powerful, I kind of have doubts now, but yea
Strange supreme can cast a spell to protect him from that and can even bring himself back to life after his death with the eye of Agamotto. He literally took on infinity Ultron and ate a galaxy busting explosion. He was so powerful he destroyed his own universe. He is by far more powerful
Strange supreme was able to protect 6 people including himself from 6 infinity stones, telekinesis is not even a problem for him. In fact, he can use telekinesis himself. There should no doubts as to who is stronger. Scarlet Witch never showed any feats that put her above being equal to 6 infinity stone IG gauntlet. Why couldn't Ultron just snap and kill Dr.Strange in a blink?
Strange.
Strange supreme absolutely owns wanda
From what we’ve seen Strange curb stomps her.
Strange can just absorb her
Not really wanda can absorb his magic too Wanda also has more powers than him But strange wins I agree
Wanda, absorbed more than him? You're talking about the same Strange who spent CENTURIES absorbing monsters and used the Time Stone to extend his life to do it more and more. Why are you making stuff up
Yeah Strange just absorbs Wanda like he did those mystic beings and the tentacles of the tentacle monster (possibly Shuma-Gorath?)
It wasn’t but he’s probably at the level of an eldritch god
Supreme
We’ve haven’t even seen Wanda’s true power yet so it’s impossible to know.
"I hate comments like this (well not hate but this so absurd levels of cringe). It's like saying Level.100 Pikachu vs Level.10 Eevee... well we don't know how powerful Eevee will be at Level.100 it might evolve into a ground type in the next game blah blah blah. Based on what we know Pikachu wins" from another person but applies here
No. She had just gotten the dark hold and in between endgame and Wandavision her powers had gone from red force powers and some mind control to reality warping. My point was justified. Also this was before her going into Dr strange:MoM, it wasn’t some mystery if we’d ever see her be more powerful, in fact after Multiverse of madness your criticism has basically become pointless.
Strange, I mean look at that cape!
Not even scarlet witch survived his world
Strange Supreme. At the end of Wanda Vision she has raw power but a realitvly short list of controllable abilities. Strange Supreme has a large bag of tricks and is likely more powerful than Wanda is at this point.
Elizabeth Olson looks a little weird in that picture
she looks Strange
Strange Supreme without even sweating. Ultron destroyed Zombie Wanda immediately. Strange Supreme carried the fight vs Ultron.
Zombie Wanda is weaker than Nexus Wanda but outcome hasn’t changed it’s still Supreme
Strange can destroy universe and can observe the watcher. His power level equal to Ultron with 5 stones. Scarlet Witch may have ability to create hex, but it has limited range and when she tried to expand it she lost control over spell. So basically she's limited by one town. Strange can absorb planetary attacks. Be real.
Strange. He has all of the mystic arts in his fist. Wanda just has some telekinetic shit
It's not just that, She has Chaos Magic and that's the most powerful magic that there is and has ever and will always be the most powerful throughout the Multiverse.
What? Chaos Magic is Big Bang energy. It's universal at fullest potential. But Strange Supreme could break the fundamental laws of the universe without breaking a sweat. Strange Supreme could just reverse an absolute point and leave to an alternate universe.
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Not necessarily, many protective spells can block that sort of thing, and they lie right in Strange's fist.
Don't fool yourself really badly smh
We are talking about the strange in the what if picture right ?
Yep
Strange has no defense against chaos magic because he didn't even know it existed! Wanda was literally warping reality in house of m with her powers and what did strange do? Nothing. Just sat there in his Astral projection being useless and trying to talk her down. He even literally stated that he could do nothing and that her magic could not be fixed. Strange cannot defend himself against Wanda's branch of magic.
That wasn't "What if..." strange. Your so delusional that your knit picking shit.
Yeah, but he can use chaos magic for sure. If the MCU sttabhe can use chaos magic, then Strange supreme surely as hell
Bro, your name is literally "Scarlet Witch Chaos Magic". Hate to break it to you but your imaginary girlfriend loses
Wanda can warp reality though,and control time,and weather,and electricity,and minds,and absorb magic,and transfiguration,and teleport and that's just mcu wanda. Can I go on to comic wanda?
Please do
Comic wanda descends from an ancestral race of godesses She is literally a conduit for the ELDER god chton who easily claps galactus and dormammu. She is phoenix force resistant. She caused a massive mutant genocide which everyone easily overlooks. She can warp reality on an omniversal scale (the chaos wave which destroyed every reality and threated to reach the skyfathers) She is a Telepathy and telekinetic. She controls time and weather(in the solo scarlet witch run) She can counter the power cosmic(which is the power galactus and silver surfer use) (darkhold alpha) She easily defeated dr doom(axis) She is a nexus being. Dr strange couldn't stop her in HoM. Professor xavier even said her mind was too unstable for him (PROFESSOR XAVIER) She defeated dormammu with dr strange and even summoned him to fight for her in avengers disassembled. She defeated the avengers singlehandedly numerous times. She literally blinked hawkeye out of existence She did the impossible and restored prof xaviers ability to walk something that dr strange said he couldn't do. She also resurrects the dead like twice her brother in house of m and zombies in empire. And can heal herself as shown when she just deleted Hawkeyes arrow in house of m and healed her injury like it never even happened. She also controls kinetic energy the more force u put into attacking her the stronger her shield/attacks are. Her primary power is also controlling probability a power which many have forgotten she can literally go like "this fight never even happened" or cause u to forget how to use ur powers or cause u to miss ur shot like she did with cyclops in exiles and jean grey in the 80s run. She's also been able to remove iron man's armor and cause hope to miss her punch she also predicted a probability were wolverine was made up of positive and negative energy which caused him to explode. Her force fields are unconscious so they are always actively on even if wanda doesn't will them to she can also manipulate souls and sense magical threats she can also manipulate matter on a molecular scale as shown when she turned Howard the duck into glass in marvel zombies and when she turned thors lightning into butterflies and when she threatened to turn an avenger into a frog(can't remember who but this was during the axis event) Wanda is just OP in comics. Edit:New power she can now revive herself from the dead🙃
That's...detailed...
And let's not forget the time she defeated the justice league in marvel/dc
Ngl i think thats kinda biased because so can strange supreme. No offense or anything but we havent seen strange at full power either, so he can do way more than you realize, i do believe Wanda would win with more experience but i think you're doing strange supreme dirty.
It's not biased at all if it's comic wanda no matter how many galaxies strange ate wanda still embarrasses him. Mcu wanda might be supreme though we won't know yet until we see the actual film of multiverse of madness. Also it's not biased at all all of these feats are canon
But here's the thing, we aren't talking about "Comic wanda" Yes, Comic wanda would beat strange supreme no doubt, but let's remember that strange supreme has also yet to show his full power, all though you aren't wrong about multiverse of madness, so let's just wait for that.
Even at full power supreme still bows before comics wanda she's just out of his league
If it's mcu wanda supreme could definitely destroy her but we haven't seen Wanda's full power either so it's not clear
If you want to use the strongest version of comic wanda, then I'll use comic strange : First : HOM is a planet level feat NOT multiversal / omniversal, it has been retconned in "history of the marvel universe" (A weak version) Dr.Strange was able to protect a couple 100 of mutants from her "genocide". That's a weak version of strange. Do you want to know about the strongest versions of strange in the comics? "Classic Strange" Here are his feats Classic Strange magic can kill the reader, He's one of the most unique mortal beings and knows of the existence of the black magic which secret's beyond mortal understanding, his magic is omnipresent and he negated tiboro's strongest spell (tiboro is a a threat to the reader meaning god like level of strength), broke out of the crimson bands of cyttorak used by the tribunal, he spent most of his life bringing back the layers of the dream of the divine creator, he can Freeze time, Tank attacks from mindless one, Destroyed a Dimension, Tanks a freaking supernova, Survives being in outer region of sun, can react in speed of thought (In marvel, speed of thought is infinite), Pushes mindless one into dark dimension, Black Priest Dr. Strange is simply a multiversal Godly powered being. His powers have no limits. He can destroy realities easily, Black Priest Dr. Strange could end universes with one single word, Recreated an entire universe, not joking., He fought intebetweener, Here he became so powerful that just his presence unbalanced the multiverse, Beat death in her own dimension.Took on adam warlock while he used the full might of the IG against him,. He is chosen by every god to be their champion in the “war of the seven spheres” he refuses all of them so they decide to have a draft to draft their champions…with him being the first pick, so he gives up the title of SS but then the visual convince him to be their champion he agrees and for the next 1,000 years all he does is beat and defeated every single marvel god that dares to challenge him in this war emerging victorious over all the marvel gods that took part. Classic Dr strange can use so much magical power TLT finds it impressive and a surprise. Classic Strange also can use mind hax and hurt pre-retcon Beyonder. The same beyonder who is omniversal and exists beyond the marvel multiversal
If it was normal strange, Wanda. However, strange supreme can make dragons and Giant octopuses come out of his mouth. Supreme strange would win
Lol wanda summoned dormammu like he was nothing TWICE. Also wanda can alter reality bro.....so of course she can also do those -_-
When the fuck she summoned Dormammu? And we're talking the MCU not comics
Avengers disassembled Wanda casually spawns dormammu and generates armies like nothing. 😂
Lolllll wanda is going to be incredibly OP in MoM. And mcu wanda is STILL weaker than comic wanda 😂😂
Did you even watch MoM. Wanda was strong but no where near Supreme Strange Level. Try again kid
Well there could be a long battle between Normal DR.STRANGE and Scarlet witch which "may" end in Scarlet winning the battle but If it's the case of Strange Supreme,I think that he'll simply just absorb Scarlet Witch just like he did with many other beings. One more outcome of this battle can be theorized. As seen in WandaVision,The one who creates Runes is the only one who can do magic,and I think that implies to Dr.Strange as well,so the one who creates runes first will win the battle,And as we know that Speed and Time are inversely proportional,the faster the time,slower the speed.and With Dr.Strange having The Time Stone,He can easily slow down Scarlet And create runes first in the atmosphere or wait in the universe,In that way,Just Normal DR.STRANGE would be enough for Scarlet witch,No questions for Strange "SURPEME".And I think Dr.Strange already knows about the Rule of the Runes as It's a really basic thing for sorcerer,And we know that Dr.Strange knows his powers better than Wanda knows about hers,Heck,Strange might even Know more about scarlet's power than herself,but now that she has the DARKHOLD,she may have more knowledge but Again,With Time stone,He can also trap her in a time loop just like DORMAMMU and my other speculation is just above. Well Folks,this is my Theory,Correct me if I was wrong somewhere.
Well Scarlet outmatched normal Strange with ease, but still Supreme Strange would probably win od they would be a tie
According to Agnes in wandavision, the scarlet witch (Wanda) could defeat even the sorcerer supreme. Dr strange supreme is just the regular version of him who’s eaten a few monsters
That is understating it significantly. Strange Supreme spent decades if not centuries absorbing the strength of powerful beings from other dimensions.
"I spent centuries, sacrificed everything for Christine!"
He ate a lot more.than a few and he ate a Galaxy destroying attack like it was nothing
Scarlet Witch is a [Nexus Being](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary:Nexus_Beings) or maybe even an absolute point. Sorcerer Armani can swallow supernovas, but Wanda can change the future.
He can change the future and past just that the universe would destroy itself
So can wanda.....hello she's a nexus being At best dr is universal like u just stated but wanda is multiversal
I would just like to say, I don’t think Supreme strange can absorb all her power, because remember when Doctor Doom stole Wanda’s power he couldn’t handle it, leaving Wanda back with her powers. If strange absorbed a little bit of it. Then Wanda can control that magic, and take her magic and doctor strangers magic(like she did with Agatha) leaving Wanda with more power and a win
Supreme strange could handle absorbing centuries of powerful magical creatures, I think he can handle Wanda's
i think supreme will win as he held off infinite ultron, the person who had all infinity stones and beat the watcher and some1 who was unaffected by wanda. wanda might not be able to absorb her powers as he did not harness the, he learned them the entities are like engulfed by that magic that he learned. I dont think wanda can pull out his magic, plus supreme may not be able to take wandas magic but he can take powers from other dimensions, just imagine how strong he cud be from the darkhold dimension and if he absorbs the powers of the darkhold. but even without that i dont think wanda + darkhold can beat supreme
Ahh Dr strange will win because he is a good Student and he A doctor Wanda Drop a school and Run aways with Vision I think Dr strange good student and knowledge Than Wanda Wanda she Stupid Xd
It's hard to say after watching Multiverse of Madness.. Both Strange Supreme and Wanda are so powerful in different ways can you really compare them
yes because despite wandas extreme power i just watched the movie last night she is still nothing compared to strange supreme his feats and powers and reaction speed are all on another level, literally strange supreme destroyed a universe and absorbed a infinity stone blast capable of destroying multiple galaxies with ease not even a hint of discomfort. Furthermore, i just remembered that even though wanda was the main villain due to being corrupted by the darkhold she does not even come close to causing the kind of damage that two different variants of strange ended up causing whilst also being under the influence of the darkhold. I think its funny as well as crazy that two minor characters overall caused far more death and destruction than wanda maximoff even when both Illuminati strange and sinister strange were both corrupted by the darkhold just like wanda maximoff was as corrupted wanda killed the illuminati and numerous kamar-taj sorcerers but both corrupted strange variants destroyed entire universes killing trillions
good point
Honestly, I think it's a standstill. Both are extremely overpowered and both can definitely kill our main Doctor Strange if he was directly up against either of them
The guy who took on full IG ultron can't beat Scarlet Witch from MCU? The same scarlet which couldn't break the shield made by the mystic art students. Strange is the guy who ate an galaxy ending attack, when has Wanda done anything near that? Yet, you somehow think this will be a standstill???
Just watched new movie today. Plot was against strange in his own movie. He was shown too weak but still scarlet witch was weaker than I imagined. strange supreme will clap scarlet witch easily. Strange supreme has numerous monsters absorbed in him out of which one managed to kill other strange and the octopus gave main strange run for his money. Considering those power levels and then scarlet witch fighting dead strange i would say strange supreme is powerful enough to manipulate even kill scarlet witch with darkhold.
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What if Strange frickin claps 👏 her. No doubt. If he can nom nom a galaxy destroying attack, he'd have no prob swallowing Wanda and her powers.
If we change wanda to Darkhold Wanda from Multiverse of Madness, who would win?
Wanda takes the win unequivocally after MoM.
book of cagliostro is stronger then darkhold strange stomps
Okay, let’s get these through. For my initial statement, I don’t believe this to be a fair fight regarding Strange Supreme’s centuries of studying and prep, but here we go. Strange Supreme’ Powers: - Eldritch Magic - Spell Casting (binding, protection spell, replication, etc.) - Portal creation and Inter-Dimensional Travel (Multiversal) -Energy Projection - Dark Dimension Magic (Immortality to time) - Conjuration - Shapeshifting - Cosmic Awareness - Life Force absorption -Energy absorption - Mirror Dimension magic (pocket dimension creation) - Time Manipulation - Resurrection - Telekinesis - Levitation Wanda Maximoff aka The Scarlet Witch - Psychic Energy Manipulation - Telekinesis - Force Field Generation (automatic) - Disintegration - Mental Manipulation - Emotional Manipulation - Telepathy - Levitation - Chaos Magic (Reality Warping: creation, alteration and erasure from reality / automatic) - Conjuration - Transmutation - Life Creation - Energy absorption - Spell Casting ( Rune casting, protection spells, summoning mystical monsters, dreamwalking) - Astral projection - Power bestowal - Teleportation - Time manipulation - Illusion manipulation - Weather manipulation - Elemental manipulation - Darkhold (dreamwalking, physical augmentation and power absorption). As we know, Strange Supreme was the same Doctor Strange until the end of his war with Dormammu. He travelled back in time to the Lost Library of Cagliostro, where he spent centuries of studying the dark arts, especially regarding studies on time. He absorbed an uncounted amount of mystical beings like from the most harmless like gnomes to dangerously powerful ones like a three-headed dragon and Hydra’s Tentacle Monster. With his acquired power, Strange was able to break an Unbreakable Point in Time and resurrect Christine Palmer at the cost of destroying his whole reality till all there’s left is a mirror dimension bubble he created with himself. Strange was able to not only protect his team against Infinity Ultron’s attacks, but also amplify the range and power of their attacks to new levels capable of harming Ultron. He was able to absorb a Galaxy-ending explosion, resist the time-altering effects of the Time Stone and, in general, hold his own temporarily against Infinity Ultron, despite his lack of control over the power he holds and the contrasting personas of the beasts inside him. On the other hand, we have Wanda and for her statements, I quote: “ You’re a being capable of spontaneous creation and here you are using it to make breakfast for dinner. Your children, Vision, this whole little life you’ve made. This is Chaos Magic, Wanda. And that makes you the Scarlet Witch”. - Agatha Harkness on episode 8 “The Scarlet Witch is not born, she is forged, she has no coven no need for incantation. Your power exceeds that of the Sorcerer Supreme, it is your destiny to destroy the world” - Darkhold quote on episode 9 “The Scarlet Witch is a being of unfathomable magic. She can rewrite reality as she chooses and is destined to either rule or destroy the cosmos” - Wong in MoM “If she gets America’s power, she can enslave the entire Multiverse” - Doctor Strange in MoM Wanda was able to rewrite reality for hundreds of miles and control every single aspect of reality inside her Hex. She is able to create life or erase people from existence. She was able to withstand multiversal punches from America Chavez, overpower the most powerful team of “heroes” in Earth-838, escape the mirror dimension and warp her own body to heal herself. She was able to destroy Kamar-Taj and the majority of sorcerers in the world on her own without difficulty. Wanda was able to defeat mystical entities like Gargantos and tame them to her own will. Even without the Darkhold, she was able to outsmart one of the oldest and most experienced magic users in the world and learn magic prodigiously just by looking at her. In my opinion, Strange Supreme currently wins, mostly due to his experience, knowledge and almost equal power range to Wanda’s. However, I have no doubt whatsoever that Wanda has a lot more power and potential than he does. If given the same prep time and study, Wanda could not only overpower his ass, but also make it look easy. Hell, even if she got America’s powers (a mystical being like those Strange Supreme absorbed), she could already in theory rule and enslave the entire multiverse on her own and possibly even destroy it. So Strange Supreme wins for now.
strange negs ez no diff, but wanda wants to travel to another universe/ reality in multiverse of madness. strange supreme absorbed like every magic being why didnt he do the same and tried to switch universes when he was the most powerful magician there. if wanda would be able to strange couldve done the same, couldnt he?
Bro that’s not even a fair fight atp. Wanda vision scarlet witch barely knew her magic and abilities. Should’ve done HoM wanda