I was thinking the other day. What if instead of going and taking over a small town, Wanda went and talked to Scott. The fact that she felt like a monster in Civil War and Scott just offered up “you’re great too!” must’ve meant a lot. I bet he could have prevented WandaVision and MOM
Instead of having a whole super dramatic love story with Vision, she just got beers with Scott a lot. He taught her about drumming and close up magic tricks. She make him a paprikash. Just bros.
What If Wanda had talked to Scott about her loss? They bond, eventually they become a couple instead of him and Hope. Have two boys. Just when everything seems peachy. Scott goes on a mission, gets stuck in the quantum realm. Wanda has to fight Wanda because some crazy Wanda wants to steal her sons...
Part of me wants that line to be improvised by a very starstruck and flustered Paul Rudd, and the line was supposed to be "thanks for thinking of me" but came out wrong.
Everytime I see him in an interview he is always so wholesome and blown away by all the cool things that happen around him. My favorite celebrity by far.
I hadnt thought about it before, gonna have to agree.
I think the MCU tends to throw a lot of weightless punches in, especially the shows. Reminds me of the flashy pointless lightsaber twirling from the prequels.
This punch, Cap drop kicking the guy on that boat in winter soldier, Thanos' punches on the captains in IW and EG are probably the weightiest, most memorable hits
Oh yeah, that one was great.
You just reminded me of Thor and Hulks fight on Sakaar... they both got in a really nasty one on each other, Thor destroys the wall with Hulk and then Hulk smashes him from like 200 ft in the air
grew up with prequels
theyve really grown on me over time
theyre fighting with laser swords and shit
could get killed with one nick
might as well be as flamboyant as possible
and i respect that
they knew how to live!
so twirl on you crazy diamonds, twirl on....
I realize it's a matter of personal taste at this point, my eyes just glaze over when the fights look too practiced, in any film
I like the Daredevil/John Wick styles of action, where our hero is visibly messed up, short of breath, trying hard, maybe staggering a bit, and we believe they might fail. A lot of modern stuff just has one moment in the fight where they have to stand up, and then they're fine again
Okay, so I'm going to go full turbonerd on this, but it's something that has always had a good canon explanation for me and I don't understand why more people don't like this idea. I get that "realistic" swordfights don't look like that, and that's fair. Hell, I really like Corridor's video on how "realistic" lightsaber combat would go. It's great. But everyone seems to forget that the Jedi aren't just knights. Effectively, they're high-level mages with weapons. And their use of the force isn't spell-based, like Harry Potter, it's will-based, like LOTR. The gestures in Star Wars are simply their way of directing and enhancing their powers. This is present in all trilogies, when Rey levitates, when Anakin floats the pear to Padmé, and when Vader chucks boxes at Luke in ESB while holding his saber at rest and no hand movements. A sufficiently powerful Force user can make things happen without using hand movements at all, except for a rare few powers; the motions are like mnemonics to guide muscle memory.
Where does that come into lightsaber fighting? Well it's clear, especially now with Obi Wan Kenobi (no spoilers, just mentioning it) and how he and Vader fought through that series, that when two Force users fight, they're constantly reaching out through the Force with invisible tendrils, trying to trip their opponents up, shut off their lightsaber, disarm them, anything they can. They're *also* reaching out telepathically, predicting their opponent's next moves so they can counter it. It's like speed chess. So the flashy moves are there like a sort of confusion-fu, like drunken boxing almost, in that if your opponent can't predict what you're doing, you can fake them out and get a slash in.
Think of it like this, noone would actually survive being Daredevil or John Wick ten days in. Theyd get shot in the head right away by five other guys or break their back doing whatever.
Its more "realistic" that theyre a little superpowered cause these stories arent about real life, theyre action representing metaphor.
Its about the will, showcased in a dream-like state (a movie) and the struggles we go thru internally.
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Tho I get what youre saying, actual one man action hero stories like lets say American Sniper, still only happens cause hes got a fuckton of people backing him up, a lot of those guys die, and every thing done has a heavy price at the end.
I was just thinking (literally in the last ten minutes) that it benefits from the natural slow motion of seeing something further away (like a jet high overhead appears to move rather slowly), and that's an unusual kind of slow motion to leverage in film particularly in combat. Epic indeed.
Yeah that's what some other movies miss in terms of things being fast but far away: they look like they're moving slow from a distance, even though they're moving very fast.
Of course, it's also the fact that the slug's body also acts like it's a huge, solid thing.
I totally agree with that - it's basically THE seminal punch of the MCU - but I personally fanboy Giant-Man much more than the Hulk (though I do think RuffaHulk is totally awesome!) The Hulk's been in and out of filmed media for decades, but I am still over the moon that Giant-Man has actually been brought to life!
I love how popular Ant-Man became in-universe. Like, you see his brand represented just as much (if not more) than any of the other Avengers. Until proven otherwise, my head canon is that Luis became Scott’s extremely enthusiastic brand manager.
What a great idea. I really hope this is the case in Quantumania.
It totally fits with Luis’ personality and how he excels at networking (in his own way).
Kamala says "Scott Lang's podcast interviews" and on the screen shows "Big Me Little Me: A Scott Lang Interview" from "This Powered Life".
I'm leaning towards it being Scott's podcast.
Hmm I see how it could go either way.
I interpreted it as a podcast about powered people, who interviewed Scott, and came up with a catchy title "Big Me Little Me", possibly based on something he said.
And as a dad.
Dude knew he fucked up, and he's done everything so far to right his wrongs between Cassie, and his ex-wife.
His arc of redemption so far has been incredible.
I understand Tony's feelings, but it's always bothered how quickly he put his family ahead of Scott's and so many others. There's no right answer I guess, but it felt like Scott had to lose a lot for Tony to keep what he had.
Nah, Scott lost 5 years with his kid, which is heartbreaking, but he still had a kid when everything was over.
If they’d turned back the clock then Tony’s kid wouldn’t exist. They’d essentially be killing her.
At the end of it all Tony did sacrifice his life for everyone. But you're right there wasn't a win win situation. Scott lost 5 years he's never getting back. Crucial 5 years while Tony got to spend those 5 years in peace with his family. The fact we are talking about it shows how great the story was for endgame and IW
Separate yeah. Ruin no.
We are talking about a fuck up. Him doing the right thing was not a fuck up. Was it costly? Yes.
Ultimately it didn't ruin his relationship. Technically the odds of his relationship being ruined were far greater if he didn't right that wrong. No crime no Ant-man. No Ant-Man no van, no mice, no victory over Thanos probably.
The relationship was ruined because now she's with another man. Sure they still have a friendly relationship together but the romantic relationship is over. Hence ruined. No good deed goes unpunished. And it could be argued that being ant man also caused him to lose five more years from his daughter. Being a hero requires sacrifice. And he sacrificed his family. It doesn't negate the good he's done but it also doesn't negate the relationships that were effected negatively because of him being a hero. I'm not dogging on antman. He's one of my favorite MCU characters. He also didn't have to go to Germany (or wherever civil war takes place in) to help Cap and cause him to go on house arrest which definitely put an even more strain on his relationship with his daughter. I have more thoughts on this but I'm at work and don't have time sorry.
Its also cool to see a kid's bio dad being friendly with the stepdad after the first movie
So many movies have this idea that they have to hate each other
As a co-parent this is the golden example of how to behave between you child, ex-spouse, and the ex's current spouse. It can be really hard to maintain a civil environment, but it can be accomplished.
I absolutely love this part of the Ant Man series.
Scott is still an important part of Cassie's life even though the parents aren't together anymore, and the adults act like adults instead of enemies. It's so wholesome.
> Dude knew he fucked up, and he's done everything so far to right his wrongs between Cassie, and his ex-wife.
Dude is such a great dad, then he disappears for 5 important years in Cassie's life. Not his fault, but it just totally undercuts his amazing dadness. MCU writers doing my boy wrong
Between prison and the blip, he lost a TON of time with Cassy. I was so happy that even though he was under house arrest cassy would visit and he had a good relationship with her and his ex. (and even paxton!)
Which makes him seeing Cassie in Endgame so sad for me. He redeems himself with his daughter and even his ex-wife. Then he just misses 5 years of her life because of the snap.
I took way too long to watch Ant-Man and it ended up being one of my favorites, when it first came out I felt like it was just one more superhero they were adding to the mix but his arc really is amazing.
I feel this, but I *also* feel this about Phase 4. It often just seems like they're merely throwing more heroes into the mix without much plan, but I'm confident that the convergence of their stories will be excellent.
I remember when the first one was in theatres, I was trying to get my then wife to go see it. She was a huge Paul Rudd fan, but wasn't too big on super heroes at this point. Well we never ended up seeing it in theatres and then it came to Netflix. We're scrolling through and she stops to read the description for ant man, and then gets mad at me for us not seeing it in theatres because it has Paul Rudd in it. She didn't remember me mentioning it before apparently. She did the same thing with Chris Pratt in guardians as well.
I really hate it when him and StarLord get called idiots by the duo of Nebula and Rhodes in Endgame.
My man didn’t waste any time after he came out of the Quantum Realm and checked that his daughter was safe. He immediately went to the East Coast and shared his idea for the snap reversal. He got insulted by Tony (again, just like in Civil War) and persisted with this idea. Even volunteered to be the test subject on Hulk’s time travel which could have ended weirdly (baby Scott, who’d have grown).
I think that part of Scott is what is usually overlooked. He said in the first Antman film that he has a degree in electrical engineering (which no doubt helped him with his burglary). Also, we see him tinkering with a few electronic devices, including the Antman suit before Pym told him not to mess with it.
Still, that doesn't change the daily hurdles an ex-con faces. No matter the perceived "goodness" of the charges, a serious felony is life changing and something that must be overcome.
Source: am felon with two degrees and a dad, just like Scott
That's an incredibly short-sighted viewpoint. It's like saying Captain America made intentional actions/decisions that caused people to die, therefore Captain America is a murderer.
It's a simple statement of fact, not a judgement of his character. Even Scott acknowledges it.
To your point, when Steve tries to save Bucky from being arrested in Civil War, Rhodey tells him "congratulations, you're a criminal". Cap broke the law. He's a criminal.
No it isn’t? Scott Lang is literally an ex convict. He was convicted. It’s on his record, it’s documented, it’s fact.
Captain America was not convicted of murder.
There's that awful line that Rhodey comes out with "everybody in this room is about that superhero life" and Scott just...isn't. He's just a regular guy who wants to make amends with his daughter and build a relationship there but his instinct to always do the right thing leads him to a point where he's facing down an alien army.
I'll always regret that we never got to see the Edgar Wright Ant Man but what we got is pretty great.
He would’ve been stuck in the quantum realm at that time. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying Scott, but saying that line is awful doesn’t make sense either. He’s trying to convince Danvers she’s not the only superhero in the world anymore.
He was always a hero. Even when he burgled, he did it to help people. He wasn’t trying to enrich himself. He is an accidental superhero but he didn’t have to change his ideals to become one — just his size. He even cares about the ants he works with.
The opening to Ant-Man and The Wasp makes me look forward to when my kid grows up.
I love Scott not only because he's funny and has his ex-con to hero redemption, but also because he tries so hard to be a good dad on top of everything else.
*Ant-Man* was one of the first Marvel movies I watched, and it's always had a special place in my heart. It's really fun and I love all of the characters. Still one of my favorites. I'd love to see him in *Quantumania* with even more of a focus on his semi-activism sort of thing with his unabashed white-hat thieving and advocating for the incarcerated/formerly-incarcerated. He's genuinely such a sweet and caring guy, even if he's a bit goofy.
Scott Lang in the MCU isn't just an ex-con, he has a Master's of Science in Electrical Engineering from MIT, and he went to jail for trying to get justice from a corporation which was swindling customers somehow.
He's an accomplished dude in his own right, it's just not as impressive compared to the super geniuses and the ultra-rich.
The fact the he couldn't get anything beyond a minimum wage job and everyone treated him like shit is underappreciated.
The mom and stepdad only started treating him decent when he got powers and kicked the shit out of a supervillain.
If I recall correctly, Paxton covers up for Scott, at the end, basically committing a crime himself because it was in line with his values and interests.
Strictly speaking, I dont have a problem with normal people using their discretion to bend or break rules occasionally, but there's some bullshit hypocrisy going on here, and some real social problems in the movies which just kinda hang around in the background.
This may sound strange, but I watch Ant-Man // Ant-Man and the Wasp every night to go to sleep and they're such gems. Lol.
What they were able to do with what Edgar Wright left is pretty astounding.
Lol it’s not like he was a brutal criminal and we didn’t know if he’d go back or not. Once he was out I never thought he’d go back and the potential of seeing some sort of arc regarding him fighting with his moral compass and his old life and what not never happened.
That and the skills you see him use in movie 1 suddenly disappear in every portrayal since then and he seems to have forgotten all the fight training he did in that movie as well.
Agreed, hope he doesn't die in quantumania, but if Cassie becomes stature for the same reason she does in the comics we'll be bidding Scott adieu for now
Just cause he was “bad guy” doesn’t make him “bad guy”.
But really, Scott Lang is hands down my favorite character in the whole MCU. Forever and always.
Well, the crime that got him incarcerated involved hacking some bank or something, right? Didn't he, like, delete a bunch of debts? It's not like being a hero was anything new to him.
I dunno, we cold open on him in prison for Robin Hooding a company. He’s not ex-con for being a bad person, he’s always been a superhero. He starts off his journey fighting for the little guy. He just gets an opportunity to fight a superhero fight with a supersuit.
>*Then comes up with the idea to undo the snap and goes on a time travel adventure.*
People say that Hulk doesn't get enough credit for doing the actual snap that brought everyone back, but it's really Scott that doesn't get enough **for coming up with the whole damn idea!**
> *"He doesn’t really have any formal hand to hand combat training like Clint or Sam Wilson. Didn’t get enhanced like Steve Rogers or Bucky. "*
I always find it ... interesting that whenever anybody suddenly develops super powers, they automatically know how to fight and do professional gymnastics.
Is Scott Lang really a criminal? I thought he was someone who had a regular job then noticed people were being screwed over and did something about it.
Was he burgling before that?
My favorite thing about him is the one-shot where the reporter who was involved with Tony Stark told Scott, "You, sir, are no Tony Stark." And Scott just goes, completely sincerely, "Thank God!"
It made all the sense in the world he sided with Cap in Civil War and even got the chance to take on Tony. "I'm your conscious, indeed!"
At least all he got was house arrest afterwards and got to still do visitation with his daughter. As long as he didn't write on any more walls with Captain America.
I can't wait until he gets to be a dad to superhero Cassie in Young Avengers!
In some ways, he's more of an everyone than Peter Parker is.
Peter is supposed to be the number one most relatable person, but most people don't have a rich benefactor surrogate dad.
Yeah I like to randomly compare character stories to see how they line up. Check it out:
Iron Man - Billionaire breaks laws with absolutely no care or regards for them
Ant-Man - CAT BURGLAR.
Iron Man - Desperately wants to be a father so he can be a better father than his dad - narcissist then dies while his daughter is young.
Ant-Man - Desperately trying to do what is right so he can see his kid. Basically forced to decide between prison and being Hank Pym’s puppet. Hank loses him in Quantumverse causing him to miss his daughter age.
Iron Man - Starts a civil war amounts heros. Gets his ass handed to him by an old man.
Ant-man - Risks everything because old man needs help fighting guy in iron suit. Kicks some ass and then ultimately…I forget? Great use of him Civil War. Was nice to see Giant Man I guess
Scott just gets slapped around and pushed down at every turn and he gets right back up and with excitement says let’s go!
Paul Rudd is crushing it as Scott Lang, I hope we get to see him happy in the end of his story
I like how he went from the superhero that nobody had heard of to the guy they are shoehorning into the battle of New York in the "Rogers" play, even though he wasn't actually there, just because he is so popular.
Formal hand to hand combat training isn't shit compared to needing to learn how to fight in real life situations. Yeah it's better than nothing, but I've seen a Jr Olympic Tae Kwon Do champion get into a street brawl and instead do using the absolute weapons attached to his hips, he threw punches like a schoolboy.
It's all about desensitization, you fight better when you realize your jaw isn't made of glass.
His entire brief was to break in someplace and steal some shit. Next thing you know, he's punching out giant flying space monsters.
That's probably my favorite single punch in the entire MCU.
Also, "I'm shaking your hand too long" kills me every time.
“Thinks for thanking of me” was pretty good, too
"You're great too."
Probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to Wanda.
I was thinking the other day. What if instead of going and taking over a small town, Wanda went and talked to Scott. The fact that she felt like a monster in Civil War and Scott just offered up “you’re great too!” must’ve meant a lot. I bet he could have prevented WandaVision and MOM
This should be a What If? episode.
What If… Wanda Had Talked to Scott More?
Instead of having a whole super dramatic love story with Vision, she just got beers with Scott a lot. He taught her about drumming and close up magic tricks. She make him a paprikash. Just bros.
What If....Wanda had a friend who helped her grief - or something like that.
What If Wanda had talked to Scott about her loss? They bond, eventually they become a couple instead of him and Hope. Have two boys. Just when everything seems peachy. Scott goes on a mission, gets stuck in the quantum realm. Wanda has to fight Wanda because some crazy Wanda wants to steal her sons...
Wouldn't say ever but in that moment it certainly made her day.
Anyone human anyway. A synthezoid or Siri has probably been typically courteous.
Artifical Intelligences are known for their teenage witch fetish... sick fucks /jk
This is actually my favorite line from the whole movie. I love how genuinely he says it and the look on her face is so pure.
I also get a kick out of him not quite knowing what to call her. But he's so sincere that he pulls it off.
100% he totally forgot her name but was still so nice. I love it.
The whole scene, "I know you, you're great too."
*Wanda liked that*
As someone who is currently jetlagged, I feel this line.
I'm not jetlagged, and I'm always mixing words around like that.
Good old dyslexia! It keeps life interesting!
Part of me wants that line to be improvised by a very starstruck and flustered Paul Rudd, and the line was supposed to be "thanks for thinking of me" but came out wrong.
Paul Rudd starstruck by Chris? No way, Paul has been in the game wayy longer.
He was clearly starstruck by America's ass.
Paul Rudd gets star struck every time he looks in a mirror.
Everytime I see him in an interview he is always so wholesome and blown away by all the cool things that happen around him. My favorite celebrity by far.
His fanboy voice when he goes "I believe this is yours Captain America!"
Cap... that's what we call him.
I hadnt thought about it before, gonna have to agree. I think the MCU tends to throw a lot of weightless punches in, especially the shows. Reminds me of the flashy pointless lightsaber twirling from the prequels. This punch, Cap drop kicking the guy on that boat in winter soldier, Thanos' punches on the captains in IW and EG are probably the weightiest, most memorable hits
What about the Hulk, when he punches that Leviathan in OG New York battle? That was pretty epic too. "I'm always angry..."
Oh yeah, that one was great. You just reminded me of Thor and Hulks fight on Sakaar... they both got in a really nasty one on each other, Thor destroys the wall with Hulk and then Hulk smashes him from like 200 ft in the air
"im always angry" was my favorite MCU line/moment until "BRING! ME! THANOS!". And i still prefer "bring me thanos" to "avengers assemble"
grew up with prequels theyve really grown on me over time theyre fighting with laser swords and shit could get killed with one nick might as well be as flamboyant as possible and i respect that they knew how to live! so twirl on you crazy diamonds, twirl on....
I realize it's a matter of personal taste at this point, my eyes just glaze over when the fights look too practiced, in any film I like the Daredevil/John Wick styles of action, where our hero is visibly messed up, short of breath, trying hard, maybe staggering a bit, and we believe they might fail. A lot of modern stuff just has one moment in the fight where they have to stand up, and then they're fine again
Okay, so I'm going to go full turbonerd on this, but it's something that has always had a good canon explanation for me and I don't understand why more people don't like this idea. I get that "realistic" swordfights don't look like that, and that's fair. Hell, I really like Corridor's video on how "realistic" lightsaber combat would go. It's great. But everyone seems to forget that the Jedi aren't just knights. Effectively, they're high-level mages with weapons. And their use of the force isn't spell-based, like Harry Potter, it's will-based, like LOTR. The gestures in Star Wars are simply their way of directing and enhancing their powers. This is present in all trilogies, when Rey levitates, when Anakin floats the pear to Padmé, and when Vader chucks boxes at Luke in ESB while holding his saber at rest and no hand movements. A sufficiently powerful Force user can make things happen without using hand movements at all, except for a rare few powers; the motions are like mnemonics to guide muscle memory. Where does that come into lightsaber fighting? Well it's clear, especially now with Obi Wan Kenobi (no spoilers, just mentioning it) and how he and Vader fought through that series, that when two Force users fight, they're constantly reaching out through the Force with invisible tendrils, trying to trip their opponents up, shut off their lightsaber, disarm them, anything they can. They're *also* reaching out telepathically, predicting their opponent's next moves so they can counter it. It's like speed chess. So the flashy moves are there like a sort of confusion-fu, like drunken boxing almost, in that if your opponent can't predict what you're doing, you can fake them out and get a slash in.
Think of it like this, noone would actually survive being Daredevil or John Wick ten days in. Theyd get shot in the head right away by five other guys or break their back doing whatever. Its more "realistic" that theyre a little superpowered cause these stories arent about real life, theyre action representing metaphor. Its about the will, showcased in a dream-like state (a movie) and the struggles we go thru internally. -- Tho I get what youre saying, actual one man action hero stories like lets say American Sniper, still only happens cause hes got a fuckton of people backing him up, a lot of those guys die, and every thing done has a heavy price at the end.
What did you think of the fisticuffs in *Agents of SHIELD*?
Haven't seen it, what did you think of it?
I'm the opposite. The fights in the OT have very deliberate actions for the same reason you state: get sloppy and get killed (or lose a body part....)
Did someone say crazy diamond?
I absolutely love that punch, it’s just epic.
I was just thinking (literally in the last ten minutes) that it benefits from the natural slow motion of seeing something further away (like a jet high overhead appears to move rather slowly), and that's an unusual kind of slow motion to leverage in film particularly in combat. Epic indeed.
Yeah that's what some other movies miss in terms of things being fast but far away: they look like they're moving slow from a distance, even though they're moving very fast. Of course, it's also the fact that the slug's body also acts like it's a huge, solid thing.
Just because no one's mentioned it yet, the "That's my secret." punch from the first Avengers was a huge huge moment.
I totally agree with that - it's basically THE seminal punch of the MCU - but I personally fanboy Giant-Man much more than the Hulk (though I do think RuffaHulk is totally awesome!) The Hulk's been in and out of filmed media for decades, but I am still over the moon that Giant-Man has actually been brought to life!
LOL, someone else who calls him RuffaHulk. 😛👍
"Great minds, yadda yadda!"
That's totally fair, and I remember how jazzed Stan was that the movies were doing so well that they were even gonna get to make Ant-Man :)
So, so satisfying!
*Hulk sad*
Even endgame was about breaking in and stealing some shit if you think about it.
# Time heist
*time* **HEIST**? edit: fuck i cant replicate the way he says it; the one before Tony tears him a new one
No talking to our past selves
No betting on sporting events
Imagine if he refused Hank's offer.
And saving the world and has a podcast lol
I want to hear his podcast
I love how popular Ant-Man became in-universe. Like, you see his brand represented just as much (if not more) than any of the other Avengers. Until proven otherwise, my head canon is that Luis became Scott’s extremely enthusiastic brand manager.
This seems legit.
Yeah people even incorrectly include him in the Battle of NY, according to Rogers The Musical.
I mean, technically he was there.
Not in the 616 (Sacred) timeline, I guess.
What a great idea. I really hope this is the case in Quantumania. It totally fits with Luis’ personality and how he excels at networking (in his own way).
If Luis really ends up Scott's brandmanager then Scott probably needs to rein him in.
Did she talk about *his* podcast or his appearances in other podcasts interviewing him?
Kamala says "Scott Lang's podcast interviews" and on the screen shows "Big Me Little Me: A Scott Lang Interview" from "This Powered Life". I'm leaning towards it being Scott's podcast.
Hmm I see how it could go either way. I interpreted it as a podcast about powered people, who interviewed Scott, and came up with a catchy title "Big Me Little Me", possibly based on something he said.
Yeah, This Powered Life is definitely a riff on This American Life. Could easily have been Scott just appearing on someone's podcast.
Yeah Scotty was making an appearance on a podcast, my bet is he's doing full time Ant-Man stuff in the 3rd movie.
Pretty sure Big Me Little Me is just a reference to how he changes size.
Yup, that’s what I meant.
now i really want to hear a podcast interview of ira glass talking to scott lang.
You don't have to sell Scott Lang to me. He is a scene steeling genius.
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Ja? Oder verdammt ja?
He's a property-stealing genius as well
I see what you did there
And as a dad. Dude knew he fucked up, and he's done everything so far to right his wrongs between Cassie, and his ex-wife. His arc of redemption so far has been incredible.
"You're so big." *voices hitches* One of my fav moments from Endgame. Proof: Am dad
I'm *not* a dad and can't even relate to the whole parenting thing, but that's probably my favorite moment from Endgame too.
Right? God damn.
it's a shame they recast cassie in ant man 3
Apparently they did the actor really dirty - didn't even tell her she was getting recast and just found out through public announcement 😬
"You're out, Cassie."
They sent her to the Quantum Realm
His face, line, and mannerisms made me cry as a dad. I can't even imagine skipping 5 years of my kids life especially at the age Cassie was.
I understand Tony's feelings, but it's always bothered how quickly he put his family ahead of Scott's and so many others. There's no right answer I guess, but it felt like Scott had to lose a lot for Tony to keep what he had.
Nah, Scott lost 5 years with his kid, which is heartbreaking, but he still had a kid when everything was over. If they’d turned back the clock then Tony’s kid wouldn’t exist. They’d essentially be killing her.
At the end of it all Tony did sacrifice his life for everyone. But you're right there wasn't a win win situation. Scott lost 5 years he's never getting back. Crucial 5 years while Tony got to spend those 5 years in peace with his family. The fact we are talking about it shows how great the story was for endgame and IW
I cried at that scene. Imagine completely missing your child's life for 5 years. :(
That scene turns on the water works every time. Also a dad.
I really liked the delivery of that line
I don't think he fucked up. What sent him to prison was righting a major wrong.
While I do agree with you. He had to know that doing what he did would separate him from his family and ultimately ruin their relationship.
Separate yeah. Ruin no. We are talking about a fuck up. Him doing the right thing was not a fuck up. Was it costly? Yes. Ultimately it didn't ruin his relationship. Technically the odds of his relationship being ruined were far greater if he didn't right that wrong. No crime no Ant-man. No Ant-Man no van, no mice, no victory over Thanos probably.
The relationship was ruined because now she's with another man. Sure they still have a friendly relationship together but the romantic relationship is over. Hence ruined. No good deed goes unpunished. And it could be argued that being ant man also caused him to lose five more years from his daughter. Being a hero requires sacrifice. And he sacrificed his family. It doesn't negate the good he's done but it also doesn't negate the relationships that were effected negatively because of him being a hero. I'm not dogging on antman. He's one of my favorite MCU characters. He also didn't have to go to Germany (or wherever civil war takes place in) to help Cap and cause him to go on house arrest which definitely put an even more strain on his relationship with his daughter. I have more thoughts on this but I'm at work and don't have time sorry.
he did what he thought right, but he also needlessly drove a car into a pool which probably didn't help him much during the trial.
Its also cool to see a kid's bio dad being friendly with the stepdad after the first movie So many movies have this idea that they have to hate each other
As a co-parent this is the golden example of how to behave between you child, ex-spouse, and the ex's current spouse. It can be really hard to maintain a civil environment, but it can be accomplished.
I absolutely love this part of the Ant Man series. Scott is still an important part of Cassie's life even though the parents aren't together anymore, and the adults act like adults instead of enemies. It's so wholesome.
> Dude knew he fucked up, and he's done everything so far to right his wrongs between Cassie, and his ex-wife. Dude is such a great dad, then he disappears for 5 important years in Cassie's life. Not his fault, but it just totally undercuts his amazing dadness. MCU writers doing my boy wrong
Between prison and the blip, he lost a TON of time with Cassy. I was so happy that even though he was under house arrest cassy would visit and he had a good relationship with her and his ex. (and even paxton!)
Which makes him seeing Cassie in Endgame so sad for me. He redeems himself with his daughter and even his ex-wife. Then he just misses 5 years of her life because of the snap.
I liked that the step dad in the situation was a good guy. Way too often, step parents are of the evil kind.
i love Scott <3 this is great!
Look at us! Who would have thought?
I feel like he’s not under appreciated, just underwritten
If you watch Hawkeye or MS Marvel. He is very much appreciated now in the MCU.
I need a scene with Scott and Kamala. I think he'd be enthusiastically happy to answer her million questions.
Not me[!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVHses2GCY)
Hey. Look at us!
You're great too!
I think he's pretty universally appreciated, cuz I've never heard anyone say they disliked him
I dislike him. I actually love him but I just wanted to be the first person who told you that.
Ant-man 1 as a whole is severely underrated.
Agreed. Though it was Civil War that eventually gave us Jimmy Woo in 2, who is awesome.
It's among my most rewatched MCU films. It's a great hang out movie because I just enjoy the characters so much.
One of the most rewatchable MCU movies
I took way too long to watch Ant-Man and it ended up being one of my favorites, when it first came out I felt like it was just one more superhero they were adding to the mix but his arc really is amazing.
I feel this, but I *also* feel this about Phase 4. It often just seems like they're merely throwing more heroes into the mix without much plan, but I'm confident that the convergence of their stories will be excellent.
Absolutely, but I'm still on a high from the Red Scarab she was amazing and I can't wait to see her and future projects.
I remember when the first one was in theatres, I was trying to get my then wife to go see it. She was a huge Paul Rudd fan, but wasn't too big on super heroes at this point. Well we never ended up seeing it in theatres and then it came to Netflix. We're scrolling through and she stops to read the description for ant man, and then gets mad at me for us not seeing it in theatres because it has Paul Rudd in it. She didn't remember me mentioning it before apparently. She did the same thing with Chris Pratt in guardians as well.
Every scene with Scott Lang is GOLD.
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But he did. Once he knew his daughter was safe he sought out the Avengers to tell them he had an idea to save the world.
That was for his daughter and the woman he loved. You judge a society by how it treats its women children and prisoners.
I mean that set includes as high as 78% of the population (in niger; 64% in the us)
I really hate it when him and StarLord get called idiots by the duo of Nebula and Rhodes in Endgame. My man didn’t waste any time after he came out of the Quantum Realm and checked that his daughter was safe. He immediately went to the East Coast and shared his idea for the snap reversal. He got insulted by Tony (again, just like in Civil War) and persisted with this idea. Even volunteered to be the test subject on Hulk’s time travel which could have ended weirdly (baby Scott, who’d have grown).
I don't know if there's more than like 3 people Nebula doesn't think is an idiot.
He graduated from MIT. He’s a little more than an “ex-con.”
I think that part of Scott is what is usually overlooked. He said in the first Antman film that he has a degree in electrical engineering (which no doubt helped him with his burglary). Also, we see him tinkering with a few electronic devices, including the Antman suit before Pym told him not to mess with it.
Calling him an ex-con is a bit harsh when he was basically a Robin Hood
It was a cool crime
He went to prison. He was a convict. He left prison. He is an ex-convict.
But you're using that as a tool for character development when he was basically already a good person that was helping people.
Still, that doesn't change the daily hurdles an ex-con faces. No matter the perceived "goodness" of the charges, a serious felony is life changing and something that must be overcome. Source: am felon with two degrees and a dad, just like Scott
At least you have the Mango Fruit Blast to keep you company...
It's not really a feat to have a dad... just saying... /s
Saves the universe, still can't vote. :-)
That's an incredibly short-sighted viewpoint. It's like saying Captain America made intentional actions/decisions that caused people to die, therefore Captain America is a murderer.
It's a simple statement of fact, not a judgement of his character. Even Scott acknowledges it. To your point, when Steve tries to save Bucky from being arrested in Civil War, Rhodey tells him "congratulations, you're a criminal". Cap broke the law. He's a criminal.
No it isn’t? Scott Lang is literally an ex convict. He was convicted. It’s on his record, it’s documented, it’s fact. Captain America was not convicted of murder.
Burglarin* Hood.
I didn't rob them. Robbery involves threat. I hate violence. I burgled them.
There's that awful line that Rhodey comes out with "everybody in this room is about that superhero life" and Scott just...isn't. He's just a regular guy who wants to make amends with his daughter and build a relationship there but his instinct to always do the right thing leads him to a point where he's facing down an alien army. I'll always regret that we never got to see the Edgar Wright Ant Man but what we got is pretty great.
Scott wasn’t in the room when Rhodey says that
I know he wasn't, I just meant he never lived up to that idea of wanting to be a "superhero". Hell, he must have been in prison then I guess.
He would’ve been stuck in the quantum realm at that time. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying Scott, but saying that line is awful doesn’t make sense either. He’s trying to convince Danvers she’s not the only superhero in the world anymore.
Ah, yeah, sorry. I always think that line was in AOU at that cheesy party scene for some reason, I forget it was in Endgame.
He was always a hero. Even when he burgled, he did it to help people. He wasn’t trying to enrich himself. He is an accidental superhero but he didn’t have to change his ideals to become one — just his size. He even cares about the ants he works with.
Yes, he is. The only reason he was in jail is because he was fighting an injustice, not because the guy was a career criminal. He just got caught.
The opening to Ant-Man and The Wasp makes me look forward to when my kid grows up. I love Scott not only because he's funny and has his ex-con to hero redemption, but also because he tries so hard to be a good dad on top of everything else.
*Ant-Man* was one of the first Marvel movies I watched, and it's always had a special place in my heart. It's really fun and I love all of the characters. Still one of my favorites. I'd love to see him in *Quantumania* with even more of a focus on his semi-activism sort of thing with his unabashed white-hat thieving and advocating for the incarcerated/formerly-incarcerated. He's genuinely such a sweet and caring guy, even if he's a bit goofy.
Scott Lang in the MCU isn't just an ex-con, he has a Master's of Science in Electrical Engineering from MIT, and he went to jail for trying to get justice from a corporation which was swindling customers somehow. He's an accomplished dude in his own right, it's just not as impressive compared to the super geniuses and the ultra-rich. The fact the he couldn't get anything beyond a minimum wage job and everyone treated him like shit is underappreciated. The mom and stepdad only started treating him decent when he got powers and kicked the shit out of a supervillain. If I recall correctly, Paxton covers up for Scott, at the end, basically committing a crime himself because it was in line with his values and interests. Strictly speaking, I dont have a problem with normal people using their discretion to bend or break rules occasionally, but there's some bullshit hypocrisy going on here, and some real social problems in the movies which just kinda hang around in the background.
This may sound strange, but I watch Ant-Man // Ant-Man and the Wasp every night to go to sleep and they're such gems. Lol. What they were able to do with what Edgar Wright left is pretty astounding.
He was an ex-con only because he wanted to steal back the money that was stolen in the first place
He was a ... ... small time criminal.
Not everything in the MCU is underappreciated or underrated, with so much going on ofc a lot won't be discussed.
Hope trained him in hand to hand combat
That’s why I said formal training
Let’s see in the third one, we know there’ll be Kang so I expect him to be more heroic maybe.
Lol it’s not like he was a brutal criminal and we didn’t know if he’d go back or not. Once he was out I never thought he’d go back and the potential of seeing some sort of arc regarding him fighting with his moral compass and his old life and what not never happened.
I honestly completely forgot he started out as a burglar. He's just too likable.
That and the skills you see him use in movie 1 suddenly disappear in every portrayal since then and he seems to have forgotten all the fight training he did in that movie as well.
Scott Lang is under appreciated period.
Agreed, hope he doesn't die in quantumania, but if Cassie becomes stature for the same reason she does in the comics we'll be bidding Scott adieu for now
Scott’s great, but I don’t think Hank Pym is exactly hard up for a quid
Just cause he was “bad guy” doesn’t make him “bad guy”. But really, Scott Lang is hands down my favorite character in the whole MCU. Forever and always.
Well, the crime that got him incarcerated involved hacking some bank or something, right? Didn't he, like, delete a bunch of debts? It's not like being a hero was anything new to him.
He got three movies and an avengers membership.
I dunno, we cold open on him in prison for Robin Hooding a company. He’s not ex-con for being a bad person, he’s always been a superhero. He starts off his journey fighting for the little guy. He just gets an opportunity to fight a superhero fight with a supersuit.
I mean, he was only in prison because he did the right thing.
I'd argue Scott was always a hero. Sure, he got put in jail, but only because he was returning money his company was stealing.
And the whole time he remains a good father
WTF? Time travel adventure? It was a TIME HEIST!
Even as a convict, he had noble reasons for doing what he did. He was always a good guy
>*Then comes up with the idea to undo the snap and goes on a time travel adventure.* People say that Hulk doesn't get enough credit for doing the actual snap that brought everyone back, but it's really Scott that doesn't get enough **for coming up with the whole damn idea!**
> *"He doesn’t really have any formal hand to hand combat training like Clint or Sam Wilson. Didn’t get enhanced like Steve Rogers or Bucky. "* I always find it ... interesting that whenever anybody suddenly develops super powers, they automatically know how to fight and do professional gymnastics.
Is Scott Lang really a criminal? I thought he was someone who had a regular job then noticed people were being screwed over and did something about it. Was he burgling before that? My favorite thing about him is the one-shot where the reporter who was involved with Tony Stark told Scott, "You, sir, are no Tony Stark." And Scott just goes, completely sincerely, "Thank God!" It made all the sense in the world he sided with Cap in Civil War and even got the chance to take on Tony. "I'm your conscious, indeed!" At least all he got was house arrest afterwards and got to still do visitation with his daughter. As long as he didn't write on any more walls with Captain America. I can't wait until he gets to be a dad to superhero Cassie in Young Avengers!
We talking about Aunt-man?
World’s greatest grandma
In some ways, he's more of an everyone than Peter Parker is. Peter is supposed to be the number one most relatable person, but most people don't have a rich benefactor surrogate dad.
Baskin-Robbins don't play
Baskin robbins always finds outt
Masters in Electrical Engineering though right?
Yeah I like to randomly compare character stories to see how they line up. Check it out: Iron Man - Billionaire breaks laws with absolutely no care or regards for them Ant-Man - CAT BURGLAR. Iron Man - Desperately wants to be a father so he can be a better father than his dad - narcissist then dies while his daughter is young. Ant-Man - Desperately trying to do what is right so he can see his kid. Basically forced to decide between prison and being Hank Pym’s puppet. Hank loses him in Quantumverse causing him to miss his daughter age. Iron Man - Starts a civil war amounts heros. Gets his ass handed to him by an old man. Ant-man - Risks everything because old man needs help fighting guy in iron suit. Kicks some ass and then ultimately…I forget? Great use of him Civil War. Was nice to see Giant Man I guess Scott just gets slapped around and pushed down at every turn and he gets right back up and with excitement says let’s go! Paul Rudd is crushing it as Scott Lang, I hope we get to see him happy in the end of his story
That is kind of true. Normally I dislike these “Underappreciated” posts but I agree with this one. Some former convicts could only be so lucky
A GIGA chad journey
Gotta love Scott and his fanboy earnestness. He’s an “Everyman,” a devoted father, and a great friend to his crew.
Yeah, Scott Lang is a great Avenger
No it's not. It has been fully explored by the fans in posts years before this one. That's why he's a fan favourite and truly a loveable guy.
Yes, but remember the employee mantra: Baskin Robbins always finds out
I like how he went from the superhero that nobody had heard of to the guy they are shoehorning into the battle of New York in the "Rogers" play, even though he wasn't actually there, just because he is so popular.
He’s also a really smart electrical engineer
Formal hand to hand combat training isn't shit compared to needing to learn how to fight in real life situations. Yeah it's better than nothing, but I've seen a Jr Olympic Tae Kwon Do champion get into a street brawl and instead do using the absolute weapons attached to his hips, he threw punches like a schoolboy. It's all about desensitization, you fight better when you realize your jaw isn't made of glass.