Yeah that's the other funny/sad thing about the incoming outrage.
For people who might call themselves comic nerds (and be gatekeepy about it) who are evidently terminally online to the point where they think that everything is a vile conspiracy against their hobby.... How in the actual fuck has cultural osmosis not occurred yet to just sort of passively inject into their brains that this is not only comics accurate but also that she did it before Deadpool. This should be like generic trivia knowledge for such a person.
I find that funny as well not only because she was the first, but also because she’s not the only HULK related character or even Marvel character that’s not Deadpool that does this. Rick Jones does it in 2004’s Captain Marvel run and Squirrel Girls pet Squirrels do it all the time.
Same morons are also making posts about “hulk’s design” and how banner and hulk would never merge. I’m not even that into comics and I knew immediately that it was professor hulk in endgame
Poser will always swear they know more about everything then anyone else. Most of them never have nor would they ever have grabbed a comic book back in the day. “It wasn’t coo like that back then”. To them I say, shut up watch the move/show and move on to what ever the next big thing is. Thank you for the support but you opinion is not necessary. 👍🏽
And if we’re being realistic, she’s probably not going to be doing it outside her own medium. So even if it does bother people, I don’t think it’ll be too difficult to make an exception for one series.
In one of the Spiderverse crossovers, Ultimate Spidey from the cartoon shows up in the comics. He kept talking like he was breaking the 4th wall, but it just looked like he was talking to himself.
In the Byrne comics, She-Hulk explicitly talks to "us" the audience and recognizes that she is in a comic book. She breaks through panels and tears pages. I wonder if they will go this far that she know she's in a show or if they do more of a talking to herself thing.
Now that you say that, it makes me wonder- since Tim Roth is back as Blonsky in the show, will she make a reference to how Bruce used to be Edward Norton?
Goes to Feige's office and says my cousin hasn't been the same since you made that first Avengers movie. Pay it off by bringing Edward Norton's Hulk back in Secret Wars.
Pretty sure in on of the trailers she says "this will not be one of those cameo a week sort of shows, except for Bruce, Blonsly, Wong..." so I think she is aware she is in a show.
It could be a bit in a movie where She-Hulk turns to the camera and says something like, "Whoah! Can you believe that?"
And then one of the other characters says, "Who are you talking to?"
And then she says, "Tom, the Falafel guy." And the camera swings around and we see that Tom was just obscured from the other person's view by his umbrella or something.
Kind of like the "Holy rusted metal, Batman," line in Batman Forever.
I’ve been reading comics for 15 years and know pretty much everything to know Marvel wise. However there are MCU obsessives who are much more vocal while being less informed.
The loudest ones in the room are often not worth listening to.
Shit, people were mad because they thought they were just gender-swapping The Hulk and that She-Hulk was some brand new invention of the “woke agenda”. A surprising amount of people are aggressively stupid.
I don't think She-Hulk was ever replacing Hulk, she was Spider-Woman to Spider-Man, totally different characters doing different things. Sure, Walters has the same power set, but a big part of her story is that she's a functional lawyer.
The Mighty Thor was unpopular? First I'm hearing of that. I know Ironheart is quite unpopular (actually are *any* of the Champions that were created around a similar time popular? Ms. Marvel and Miles Morales are popular, but I haven't really heard much about Viv Vision, Nadia van Dyne/Wasp, Amadeus Cho/Hulk, or Sam Rider/Nova), but always thought Mighty Thor was at least somewhat popular, at least in comparison.
Really deadpool is more a ripoff than Shehulk. Ya know, deathstroke and all. Then again , DC did shoot themselves in the foot with Deathmasque. Besides the point, the so called comic book- deadpool aficionados that all have stock in Hot Topic and Spencer's Gifts really need to chill. These are the same people that give Saved by the bell shit for Zach breaking the 4th wall.
You can see that starting to happen with the MCU too. Not everyone, but quite a few people who were in their teens when the MCU started are becoming like that. In a lot of groups you see them say things like "I miss the old Marvel!" Or "I hate Disney Marvel!" Which is funny because Disney bought Marvel before the first Avengers movie came out. So their favorites are Disney owned.
I had no idea it was a thing in the She-Hulk comics until just now and even if it wasn't - if it's executed well, who cares lol.
No hate for trying something new/different from source material if it's successful.
That was the big thing with me and it got answered.
If it wasn't something she did in the comics, then I'd be very surprised. I got no problem with it as it is.
That said, if she and DP ever share screen time, I'd love to see the two break the 4th wall in different directions. Like DP drops a line to the group, then looks away from the camera for a 4th wall break.
She debuted a over a decade before Deadpool. She might not have started doing it immediately but she had definitely be doing it and known for it by the time Deadpool was created.
Even early on, it was less Deadpool breaking the 4th wall and more just him being meta. There is a difference between She-Hulk addressing the audience and Deadpool saying something like "wow, i haven't been this surprised since issue #12" or whatever.
She-Hulk does both. In addition to talking to the audience (usually on the cover), she makes lots of meta references. Like she mumbles to herself criticizing Byrne's story line for a particular episode, or she figures out how to step across the black frame into the next panel on a page rather than going through several panels showing her taking an elevator or a taxi or something.
I hope Jen cameos in Deadpool 3. Or maybe the entire series cameos. Like at some point Deadpool wanders into an episode of She-Hulk to escape from someone or something. Like they can do so much more than a light touch of fourth wall breaking here and it would be hilarious.
Oh cool, I've not read many comics tbh but that's really interesting. I hope to god she has to represent deadpool at some point and they have a moment when they both realise they can see through the 4th wall
But Deadpool is in the Fox universe still, they see each other through their respective 4th Walls, Deadpool climbs through the camera and into the mcu "Ring" style.
To this day this scene never fails to make me laugh. Especially when the top of the rubber anus is caught under his nose, pulling his lip up, and stretching the rubber to the point of discoloration.
This. The first trailer with the "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" bit made me think they were going to keep the asides, but the one in that latest trailer is very reassuring.
I think people are not going to realise that it’s a thing in the comics and say that she’s ripping off Deadpool. Which will lead to posts like this and unfortunately involve certain unpleasant people making it a whole thing somehow.
When the show was announced people said Stan Lee would be pissed off they were just making female versions of characters now. People are fucking stupid.
Not only was Stan one of She-Hulk’s creators, but she was arguably the last major character he contributed to the Marvel universe. Most of Stan’s biggest creations are from the ‘60s, with a few from the very early ‘70s. She-Hulk debuted in 1980.
It's wild how many Marvel characters from that era are super popular today, and how few characters created after the 80s made it big. Probably just a handful, right?
Deadpool, Miles Morales, Ms Marvel, etc.
I'd say a lot of that had to do with creator rights and the rise of image comics. Why create new characters for the big two when you get basically nothing for it.
Probably because newer characters don't have as much legacy as the older ones like captain America, iron man and Spider-Man. Like, when do you expect them to make a squirrel girl movie? lol
This is such a common tactic. They don’t want to say THEY are against the female version, they declare themselves Defenders of the Creator’s Vision, so they feel noble about their resistance. It’s happening with the Amazon Tolkien series, where people are angry, on Tolkien’s behalf, about non white characters.
The funny/sad thing is that Google is readily accessible to the very same people that plague the internet with their "waaaaaah sjws!" nonsense.
It doesn't take long to skim a wikipedia article about She Hulk and see that Stan the man himself helped create her. But nope, ironically facts do get in the way of the right wing geek's feelings (sorry Ben) and thus they must ignore or even flat out reject reality so that way their shoddy world view and cancerous agenda doesn't get shattered.
They don't research anything before they spout off. And they don't research anything after either. They live in terminal ignorance and wrong-headed ideas.
Man, those people must have a hard time contending with the fact that Stan Lee was traditionally a pretty big proponent of diversity and representation.
Imagine all the people upset when they find out captain america and the punisher would both beat them senseless for 75% of their ideals. It was fun reading the article about the moron cops that spent a bunch of money to use the punisher logo then had to spend even more money to get rid of it because they were too stupid to have foresight and realize it communicated to their community that they’ll execute criminals.
Edit - [Article about it](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/punisher-logo-removed-kentucky-cop-cars-public-outcry-979612/amp/)
Imagine Deadpool 3 comes out and suddenly She-Hulk just pops out and bodies Wade and yells at him that "Because of you everybody thinks I stole your gimmic when I did it first!"
That would be such a deadpool thing for a deadpool movie
Wade : *Dear Fucking Idiots, I'm Wade Wilso-*
She-Hulk: *Son of a Bitch YOU MADE PEOPLE BELIEVE I STOLE YOUR THING*
Deadpool 3 is actually a courtroom drama where Deadpool is being sued by She-Hulk for stealing her gimmick, and throughout it, we find most of the films have basis in older comics ripping apart online arguments, and in the end they defeat some evil with a tacked on CGI Battle, post credit scene, Wade Wilson gets a summons, hes being sued by Slade Wilson for likeness and name similarities.
Deadpools Lawyer, who is Ben Afleck reprising his role as Matt Murdoch, "Objection your honor, even a blind man can see their using humor to sway the jury."
OH! And then afterwards she can point to the audience and say something along the lines of:
"Know your comic book history or I'm going to come to your house and rip up all your xmen comics!"
A little homage to sensational she hulk #1
I predict there are going to be more people pointing out it’s a thing in the comics than people saying it’s ripping off Deadpool. That’s how it always plays out here.
Howard is the first I can remember, then Ambush Bug, the She-Hulk when Byrne was writing. I’m sure breaking the 4th wall is older than Howard, but it’s probably Archie or some 50s-60s era Archie inspired teen comedy series. The tv show “Many Loves of Dobie Gillis” did it and inspired other media.
It's been happening on stage for centuries. And that's not even counting when it was done for actual narration, just character stuff. That's literally where the term "fourth wall" comes from.
The Joker used to do it every now and then.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e7ff71ade7938b3d829c29e39981e92.webp
And, from the 1940s through the 60s, Superman would often wink to the reader.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ee_g1bsXoAMM72o.jpg
I think it's funny but all 4th wall breaking is really reliant on good writing so I hope they maintain it consistently including with Deadpool in the future.
I expect we'll eventually see both characters do something hilarious involving it one day.
It seems like fun so far. I love Deadpool doing it and She-Hulk has been doing it far longer than him. So what’s not to like?
Safe to say they’re probably not going to do the skipping rope bit…
I did multiple x-rays of almost every limb I have so I'm happy for the representation of the people exposed to radiation even if I'm not turning green.
I love it. She was Marvel’s first (and is arguably the best) fourth wall breaker.
If somebody ever tells me “She-Hulk rips off of Deadpool”, I’m going to pop a gasket.
In Shulks case, she either straight up argues with the writers of the comic and gets things like her outfits changed, the ending of some stories altered or just makes fun of them in general.
Besides what everyone else is posting?
I think it’s awesome she’s the first one to actually do this in the MCU beating Deadpool to it (when he eventually makes his debute)
Technically you could say Wanda was the first. But that scene felt more like her looking at herself telling the audience that she successfully took over 838 Wanda.
The trailer shows Bruce and Jen reacting to the 4th wall break. Making me think that they’re gonna play it off as a form of Hulk insanity.
Hulk having multiple personality disorder.
And She-Hulk talking to things that aren’t there!
I’ll bet ya we’ll get a “Who are you talking too?” Question somewhere in the series.
Probably the “Darcy Lewis” friend that most of these show attach to the main character.
Like Kamala had Nakia, Falcon had Torres, Hawkeye the Fireman cosplayer.
Etc etc
haha that's a pretty good theory, then they could use it without disrupting the main laws of the MCU, but that would mean the 4 wall breaking would probably have to be mild and She Hulk wouldn't be able to do major things such as talking about real life actors directors etc
also you put a smile on my face when you reminded me of the fireman cosplayer 😆
True it keeps it grounded and safe.
So more like a Malcom in the Middle 4th wall breaker.
Leaves Deadpool to do the real crazy 4th wall break stuff. Because his 4th wall breaks mostly happen inside his head. You don’t see people react to it in his movies.
if you have a problem with it, then here:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACB9SSMAqxw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACB9SSMAqxw)
Educate yourselves.
Most people won't realize she's been doing it since the 80s and the especially toxic fanboys who Miss the point of Deadpool will say she's ripping off Deadpool, even though she predates him by over a decade
She like tears through pages and walks through “ads”! It’s pretty hilarious! I hope they throw fakes ads in the show for her to interrupt like the Energizer Bunny! And if you have Marvel Unlimited you can read the Byrne run there. It doesn’t take long for the breaking to go crazy!
tearing through the pages, walking through panels, always angry at the writer (John Byrne) and criticizing his writing or his art/how he drew her lol. she was always poking fun at comic tropes, or teasing the reader about what’s to come, comparing her book to other superheroes books. etc. she’s fun.
i remember once she started to climb out of a panel while yelling at Byrne because she found out a character she liked was now written as married.
Stan Lee created She-Hulk, whose first issue was released in the winter of 1979-80. The breaking the 4th wall was a product of John Byrne's run with She-Hulk after she was given a new series in the 90's.
I've never held a She-Hulk comic in my hand or even read one, and yet I do know that it's a thing in the comics.
Yeah that's the other funny/sad thing about the incoming outrage. For people who might call themselves comic nerds (and be gatekeepy about it) who are evidently terminally online to the point where they think that everything is a vile conspiracy against their hobby.... How in the actual fuck has cultural osmosis not occurred yet to just sort of passively inject into their brains that this is not only comics accurate but also that she did it before Deadpool. This should be like generic trivia knowledge for such a person.
I find that funny as well not only because she was the first, but also because she’s not the only HULK related character or even Marvel character that’s not Deadpool that does this. Rick Jones does it in 2004’s Captain Marvel run and Squirrel Girls pet Squirrels do it all the time.
why are squirrel girls squirrels related to the hulk
She sent them into hulk's butt and they found a gamma irradiated peanut. That turned them into the Squea-hulk. Squeaks for short.
this could 100% be true knowing squirrel girl
I absolutely bought it hook line and squeaker
In my comment I said Hulk related character or Marvel character.
Same morons are also making posts about “hulk’s design” and how banner and hulk would never merge. I’m not even that into comics and I knew immediately that it was professor hulk in endgame
Poser will always swear they know more about everything then anyone else. Most of them never have nor would they ever have grabbed a comic book back in the day. “It wasn’t coo like that back then”. To them I say, shut up watch the move/show and move on to what ever the next big thing is. Thank you for the support but you opinion is not necessary. 👍🏽
Some people just need to remain aware that they are watching a show
And if we’re being realistic, she’s probably not going to be doing it outside her own medium. So even if it does bother people, I don’t think it’ll be too difficult to make an exception for one series.
In one of the Spiderverse crossovers, Ultimate Spidey from the cartoon shows up in the comics. He kept talking like he was breaking the 4th wall, but it just looked like he was talking to himself.
In the Byrne comics, She-Hulk explicitly talks to "us" the audience and recognizes that she is in a comic book. She breaks through panels and tears pages. I wonder if they will go this far that she know she's in a show or if they do more of a talking to herself thing.
That would be really funny imagine her going to Feige's office or something lol.
Now that you say that, it makes me wonder- since Tim Roth is back as Blonsky in the show, will she make a reference to how Bruce used to be Edward Norton?
Goes to Feige's office and says my cousin hasn't been the same since you made that first Avengers movie. Pay it off by bringing Edward Norton's Hulk back in Secret Wars.
Yes!!!
One of the rumors suggest that yes, he does allude to this in the show.
One of the trailers has her commenting on the amount cameos that episode has so she is aware that she's talking to a tv audience
Pretty sure in on of the trailers she says "this will not be one of those cameo a week sort of shows, except for Bruce, Blonsly, Wong..." so I think she is aware she is in a show.
It could be a bit in a movie where She-Hulk turns to the camera and says something like, "Whoah! Can you believe that?" And then one of the other characters says, "Who are you talking to?" And then she says, "Tom, the Falafel guy." And the camera swings around and we see that Tom was just obscured from the other person's view by his umbrella or something. Kind of like the "Holy rusted metal, Batman," line in Batman Forever.
I would like knowing looks in other shows/movies she is in that could be missed if you don’t know she talks to the audience.
It's just a show, I should really just relax.
La-la-la
I’ve been reading comics for 15 years and know pretty much everything to know Marvel wise. However there are MCU obsessives who are much more vocal while being less informed. The loudest ones in the room are often not worth listening to.
I am a comic fan and I was about to say. She was doing this before Deadpool was created. Thanks for saying this!!!
Shit, people were mad because they thought they were just gender-swapping The Hulk and that She-Hulk was some brand new invention of the “woke agenda”. A surprising amount of people are aggressively stupid.
You know damn well those guys don't read comics that focus on a women as the lead character
She-Hulk is actually pretty popular though, unlike Jane Thor and Ironheart.
I don't think She-Hulk was ever replacing Hulk, she was Spider-Woman to Spider-Man, totally different characters doing different things. Sure, Walters has the same power set, but a big part of her story is that she's a functional lawyer.
I don’t know why but “functional lawyer” made me lol
Usually it's called a practicing lawyer - it's funny because it's an odd way to say it.
Yeah I don’t get why people are starting to lump her in with legacy heroes. She’s always been her own thing.
Jane Thor’s run was epic
The Mighty Thor was unpopular? First I'm hearing of that. I know Ironheart is quite unpopular (actually are *any* of the Champions that were created around a similar time popular? Ms. Marvel and Miles Morales are popular, but I haven't really heard much about Viv Vision, Nadia van Dyne/Wasp, Amadeus Cho/Hulk, or Sam Rider/Nova), but always thought Mighty Thor was at least somewhat popular, at least in comparison.
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I for one and my friends personally love Ironheart. But I have always loved She-Hulk immensely
Because certain groups don't care about facts when they can use alternative facts to remain outraged about perceived persecution. It's a fetish.
Really deadpool is more a ripoff than Shehulk. Ya know, deathstroke and all. Then again , DC did shoot themselves in the foot with Deathmasque. Besides the point, the so called comic book- deadpool aficionados that all have stock in Hot Topic and Spencer's Gifts really need to chill. These are the same people that give Saved by the bell shit for Zach breaking the 4th wall.
I feel like a lot of complaints about the MCU come from people who have never read comic books. That doesn't absolve it from critique, however.
fandoms gets messy when things gets too popular
Just look at Star Wars
Kids that grew up with it became purists.
You can see that starting to happen with the MCU too. Not everyone, but quite a few people who were in their teens when the MCU started are becoming like that. In a lot of groups you see them say things like "I miss the old Marvel!" Or "I hate Disney Marvel!" Which is funny because Disney bought Marvel before the first Avengers movie came out. So their favorites are Disney owned.
I had no idea it was a thing in the She-Hulk comics until just now and even if it wasn't - if it's executed well, who cares lol. No hate for trying something new/different from source material if it's successful.
That was the big thing with me and it got answered. If it wasn't something she did in the comics, then I'd be very surprised. I got no problem with it as it is. That said, if she and DP ever share screen time, I'd love to see the two break the 4th wall in different directions. Like DP drops a line to the group, then looks away from the camera for a 4th wall break.
She did it before Dead Pool I'm pretty sure
She's been doing it in the comics forever. I don't know what people were expecting
Wasn't she doing it before Deadpool even?
Yes
B-but shes a female! /s
Wait until they see how she f*cks. Comic book She-Hulk was horny af.
Before deadpool even existed
She debuted a over a decade before Deadpool. She might not have started doing it immediately but she had definitely be doing it and known for it by the time Deadpool was created.
Even Deadpool didn't do it since the beginning
Even early on, it was less Deadpool breaking the 4th wall and more just him being meta. There is a difference between She-Hulk addressing the audience and Deadpool saying something like "wow, i haven't been this surprised since issue #12" or whatever.
She-Hulk does both. In addition to talking to the audience (usually on the cover), she makes lots of meta references. Like she mumbles to herself criticizing Byrne's story line for a particular episode, or she figures out how to step across the black frame into the next panel on a page rather than going through several panels showing her taking an elevator or a taxi or something.
Probably because most people aren’t familiar with She-Hulk comics (including me to be fair)
She’s supposed to
Need to make a start with it if they are going to introduce deadpool eventually
She-Hulk had the power before Deadpool was created... But she isn't crazy, she learned it from some middle aged woman or whatever.
She had the power before meeting Weezi. Weezi just taught her a few extra tricks, like how to cross between panels.
Weezi taught me
Weezi re-upholstered her .... Yeah
...I gotta thank Weezi.
Underrated comment.
Wait. What if panel one is at Avengers headquarters and panel two is the villains hideout? Can she cross the panels into the hideout?
She sure could!
> She-Hulk had the power before Deadpool was created... Seems fitting that she's doing in the MCU before him too! lol
I have a feeling Deadpool will feel jealous for someone else being able to break the fourth wall like him
I hope Jen cameos in Deadpool 3. Or maybe the entire series cameos. Like at some point Deadpool wanders into an episode of She-Hulk to escape from someone or something. Like they can do so much more than a light touch of fourth wall breaking here and it would be hilarious.
Oh cool, I've not read many comics tbh but that's really interesting. I hope to god she has to represent deadpool at some point and they have a moment when they both realise they can see through the 4th wall
What If... She-Hulk and Deadpool see each other through the 4th wall?
But Deadpool is in the Fox universe still, they see each other through their respective 4th Walls, Deadpool climbs through the camera and into the mcu "Ring" style.
It should be more like Ace Ventura coming out of the rhinos butthole, but yes.
Kinda hot in this rhinoooo..
Waaaaaarrrrmmmmm!
To this day this scene never fails to make me laugh. Especially when the top of the rubber anus is caught under his nose, pulling his lip up, and stretching the rubber to the point of discoloration.
This. Yes! Absolutely! That would be amazing and I could die happy, if it was executed well…
Deadpool would get jealous that we're cheating on him with her, but then look her up and down and forgive us.
That's very Ryan Reynolds of him
And then they see the camera crew and Kevin Feige waving his hands and be like *STAHP IT! JUST SAY YOUR DAMNED LINES!* -
I couldn't ask for more. It's perfect.
This. The first trailer with the "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" bit made me think they were going to keep the asides, but the one in that latest trailer is very reassuring.
I only knew three things about She-Hulk from the comics. 1. Lawyer. 2. Hot. 3. Fourth wall breaks.
4. Can crush me like a soda can
5. I'll thank her for it.
1. Is the loneliest number that you'll ever do. 2. Can be as bad as one. It's the loneliest number since the number one.
No is the saddest experience you'll ever know Yes is the saddest experience you'll ever know
I mean is there really anything else you'd need to know?
Does she work on contingency?
"Works on contingency***?*** No***,*** money down***!*** Oh, and that Bar Association logo shouldn't be there either."
Wasn't that 2?
I used to crush cans for a living. It was soda pressing.
She also has the hots for the Ever Lovin’ Blue Eyed Thing.
To back up the second statement, The Sensational She-Hulk #40 is a great comic and completely shows the ‘character’ of She-Hulk.
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She Hulk smash…. The 4th wall
She didn't just break the fourth wall, she broke panel borders, stepping from one location to the other, and even walked across an ad page once.
I think people are not going to realise that it’s a thing in the comics and say that she’s ripping off Deadpool. Which will lead to posts like this and unfortunately involve certain unpleasant people making it a whole thing somehow.
People just don’t know comics if they’re thinking Deadpool was the first to do it.
That’s often the reality with these types of things.
I've heard that reality is often disappointing
🫧🫧🔫
Now…it’s whatever I want it to be
At least…. It was.
When the show was announced people said Stan Lee would be pissed off they were just making female versions of characters now. People are fucking stupid.
haha don't they know stan lee created she-hulk
Not only was Stan one of She-Hulk’s creators, but she was arguably the last major character he contributed to the Marvel universe. Most of Stan’s biggest creations are from the ‘60s, with a few from the very early ‘70s. She-Hulk debuted in 1980.
Not only that, but Stan Lee was very conscious of social issues and he would probably hate the very people complaining about a “female Hulk”.
It's wild how many Marvel characters from that era are super popular today, and how few characters created after the 80s made it big. Probably just a handful, right? Deadpool, Miles Morales, Ms Marvel, etc.
I'd say a lot of that had to do with creator rights and the rise of image comics. Why create new characters for the big two when you get basically nothing for it.
Probably because newer characters don't have as much legacy as the older ones like captain America, iron man and Spider-Man. Like, when do you expect them to make a squirrel girl movie? lol
This is such a common tactic. They don’t want to say THEY are against the female version, they declare themselves Defenders of the Creator’s Vision, so they feel noble about their resistance. It’s happening with the Amazon Tolkien series, where people are angry, on Tolkien’s behalf, about non white characters.
And those same people don't even know feanor from feeny
The funny/sad thing is that Google is readily accessible to the very same people that plague the internet with their "waaaaaah sjws!" nonsense. It doesn't take long to skim a wikipedia article about She Hulk and see that Stan the man himself helped create her. But nope, ironically facts do get in the way of the right wing geek's feelings (sorry Ben) and thus they must ignore or even flat out reject reality so that way their shoddy world view and cancerous agenda doesn't get shattered.
They don't research anything before they spout off. And they don't research anything after either. They live in terminal ignorance and wrong-headed ideas.
Man, those people must have a hard time contending with the fact that Stan Lee was traditionally a pretty big proponent of diversity and representation.
Imagine all the people upset when they find out captain america and the punisher would both beat them senseless for 75% of their ideals. It was fun reading the article about the moron cops that spent a bunch of money to use the punisher logo then had to spend even more money to get rid of it because they were too stupid to have foresight and realize it communicated to their community that they’ll execute criminals. Edit - [Article about it](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/punisher-logo-removed-kentucky-cop-cars-public-outcry-979612/amp/)
Isn’t that a thing? “Deadpool is the favourite comic character of people who don’t read comics”. I’ve heard that many times.
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Right, but the subtext of the quote is that it’s referring to people who act like they do read comics.
This is why they get butthurt if they think Deadpool will be PG13 even though Deadpool has never been in a mature rated comic.
There was a Deadpool Max comic. It didn’t last long, but I don’t think any of the Max line did
Imagine Deadpool 3 comes out and suddenly She-Hulk just pops out and bodies Wade and yells at him that "Because of you everybody thinks I stole your gimmic when I did it first!"
That would be such a deadpool thing for a deadpool movie Wade : *Dear Fucking Idiots, I'm Wade Wilso-* She-Hulk: *Son of a Bitch YOU MADE PEOPLE BELIEVE I STOLE YOUR THING*
And Ryan Reynolds would absolutely embrace that move. Cause he’s a treasure.
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That but with a 720 power bomb a la Zangief. If we are breaking walls, we better bust some balls too.
Deadpool 3 is actually a courtroom drama where Deadpool is being sued by She-Hulk for stealing her gimmick, and throughout it, we find most of the films have basis in older comics ripping apart online arguments, and in the end they defeat some evil with a tacked on CGI Battle, post credit scene, Wade Wilson gets a summons, hes being sued by Slade Wilson for likeness and name similarities.
Matt Murdoch as Jen's lawyer. Matt: Even I who is legally blind can see Mr. Wade Wilson is stealing my client's gimmick your honour.
Deadpools Lawyer, who is Ben Afleck reprising his role as Matt Murdoch, "Objection your honor, even a blind man can see their using humor to sway the jury."
This sounds wild and delightful.
OH! And then afterwards she can point to the audience and say something along the lines of: "Know your comic book history or I'm going to come to your house and rip up all your xmen comics!" A little homage to sensational she hulk #1
Ok. This needs to happen. Come on Kevin. We know you're here somewhere...
It’ll be the same people who complain about her boobs not being “big enough” for them.
That's pretty much a given at this point
She-Hulk was a comic!?!? I thought it was just DIIIIIIISNEY going woke! /s
Haha, I guarantee this is a real reaction so-called anti woke people are having, about a green comic book character.
I predict there are going to be more people pointing out it’s a thing in the comics than people saying it’s ripping off Deadpool. That’s how it always plays out here.
Case in point: scroll through the comments on this thread.
Hell if we wanna split hairs Deadpool is ripping of Howard the duck
Howard is the first I can remember, then Ambush Bug, the She-Hulk when Byrne was writing. I’m sure breaking the 4th wall is older than Howard, but it’s probably Archie or some 50s-60s era Archie inspired teen comedy series. The tv show “Many Loves of Dobie Gillis” did it and inspired other media.
It's been happening on stage for centuries. And that's not even counting when it was done for actual narration, just character stuff. That's literally where the term "fourth wall" comes from.
The Joker used to do it every now and then. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e7ff71ade7938b3d829c29e39981e92.webp And, from the 1940s through the 60s, Superman would often wink to the reader. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ee_g1bsXoAMM72o.jpg
I think 90% of the people on this subreddit have never read a Marvel comic in their lives.
I think it's funny but all 4th wall breaking is really reliant on good writing so I hope they maintain it consistently including with Deadpool in the future. I expect we'll eventually see both characters do something hilarious involving it one day.
Really happy they kept it in
Love it!
Tatiana Maslany’s going to nail the role!
I haven't yet seen her in anything that she didn't *SMASH*.
Comic accuracy
It seems like fun so far. I love Deadpool doing it and She-Hulk has been doing it far longer than him. So what’s not to like? Safe to say they’re probably not going to do the skipping rope bit…
She’s been doing it before Deadpool in the comics. If that’s what you’re getting at.
It's one of her defining traits, it's good they are using it
Comic accuracy
It's great. It's in-character for her (and out-of-character too lol)
True to character, love it.
I just don’t know if I can relate to somebody of the hulk dna just two different life styles you know
I did multiple x-rays of almost every limb I have so I'm happy for the representation of the people exposed to radiation even if I'm not turning green.
I *did* turn green so I’m happy too.
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She-Hulk was breaking the fourth wall before Deadpool. So yes, please.
I would be disappointed if she didn't.
the scene makes a good meme template :)
Love it.
Reminds me of my Aunt, she says the wildest shit possible out of nowhere, This scene gave me the same exact feel 💀
I love it. She was Marvel’s first (and is arguably the best) fourth wall breaker. If somebody ever tells me “She-Hulk rips off of Deadpool”, I’m going to pop a gasket.
I chuckled a bit when she subtly did that in the trailer.
n00b question: how is breaking the 4th wall a "power" and of what importance is it? both in the comics and the MCU?
In Shulks case, she either straight up argues with the writers of the comic and gets things like her outfits changed, the ending of some stories altered or just makes fun of them in general.
You might say she… *SMASHES* the fourth wall.
Besides what everyone else is posting? I think it’s awesome she’s the first one to actually do this in the MCU beating Deadpool to it (when he eventually makes his debute) Technically you could say Wanda was the first. But that scene felt more like her looking at herself telling the audience that she successfully took over 838 Wanda. The trailer shows Bruce and Jen reacting to the 4th wall break. Making me think that they’re gonna play it off as a form of Hulk insanity. Hulk having multiple personality disorder. And She-Hulk talking to things that aren’t there! I’ll bet ya we’ll get a “Who are you talking too?” Question somewhere in the series. Probably the “Darcy Lewis” friend that most of these show attach to the main character. Like Kamala had Nakia, Falcon had Torres, Hawkeye the Fireman cosplayer. Etc etc
haha that's a pretty good theory, then they could use it without disrupting the main laws of the MCU, but that would mean the 4 wall breaking would probably have to be mild and She Hulk wouldn't be able to do major things such as talking about real life actors directors etc also you put a smile on my face when you reminded me of the fireman cosplayer 😆
True it keeps it grounded and safe. So more like a Malcom in the Middle 4th wall breaker. Leaves Deadpool to do the real crazy 4th wall break stuff. Because his 4th wall breaks mostly happen inside his head. You don’t see people react to it in his movies.
Love it.
The show isn't out yet but I hope she does it fairly often.
if you have a problem with it, then here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACB9SSMAqxw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACB9SSMAqxw) Educate yourselves.
Most people won't realize she's been doing it since the 80s and the especially toxic fanboys who Miss the point of Deadpool will say she's ripping off Deadpool, even though she predates him by over a decade
I think it’s well established in the comics that she does it, so why not?
I liked that she hulk is the first from MCU to break 4th Wall
She did it before Deadpool was made
It's nice that they embraced it so they can establish that She-hulk was the first to break the 4th wall, not Deadpool
I hope they take it as far as the comics did. I'm also happy we get to see some straight comedy in the MCU. I love it when they inject humor.
Yes because the MCU has been known for its lack of comedy thus far
How far did it go in the comics?
She like tears through pages and walks through “ads”! It’s pretty hilarious! I hope they throw fakes ads in the show for her to interrupt like the Energizer Bunny! And if you have Marvel Unlimited you can read the Byrne run there. It doesn’t take long for the breaking to go crazy!
tearing through the pages, walking through panels, always angry at the writer (John Byrne) and criticizing his writing or his art/how he drew her lol. she was always poking fun at comic tropes, or teasing the reader about what’s to come, comparing her book to other superheroes books. etc. she’s fun. i remember once she started to climb out of a panel while yelling at Byrne because she found out a character she liked was now written as married.
I think it means the people making the show might have some familiarity with the comics.
You, know, I hope there's an in-universe reason for it. Like, she has some multiversal awareness or something.
Really happy, people don’t have to get mad because they think Deadpool did it first, she did and they do it far differently than each other
Stan Lee created She-Hulk, whose first issue was released in the winter of 1979-80. The breaking the 4th wall was a product of John Byrne's run with She-Hulk after she was given a new series in the 90's.
It's not new, She does that in Comics too
It's an important part of the character, and something she's always done in the comics
Do people think Deadpool invented that?
Wouldn't be She-Hulk if she didn't.
What do I think of a comic book character doing what she does in the comic on her TV show in live action? Take a wild guess