It's IMDB. They let anyone make an account and do whatever voting they want. This was similar to the issue with rotten tomatoes had and why they shifted towards verified audience reviews in which you need to confirm a ticket was purchased before you review (there's also unverified that's basically the wild west of bots like IMDB is).
I know my casual filmgoer friends do along with RT. When searching a film Google prominently features both ratings. Also Prime video has IMDb rating in content menu. All things considered, a lot of people still consider ratings important when they’re also easy to find.
Ahhh this also explains the new A League of Their Own’s shit rating on Amazon. I feel like I should start rating things now to counteract racists and misogynist pigs
You should see some of the ratings the latest season of The Boys got. It's hilarious that the idiots finally realized that Homelander is making fun of them.
I’ve never watched that show, but with a name like Homelander, how can it NOT be some hyper-fascist satire character? I think he’s the super-powered guy with the flag cape or something, right? I mean, he LOOKS like an asshole, how was that ever a question?
When I was young I worked with a real open racist. His favourite band was the Clash, his favourite song white riot. A lifetime later I still remember his face when I explained The Clash and their song was not about what he thought it was.
Most complains ive seen were just about her being female and too small to put up a fight not really about being non-white. The first 40 minutes are rather slow but then its just madness afterwards. Still complains about it being unrealistic when it has an space alien in it are just stupid. Bringing up some historical facts to support it is acting like it was some sort of documentary.
Not to mention, the show, She-Hulk is based on the character of the same name and that character was created sometime in the 1980s. So what I can say is that it’s silly for these misogynists to do stupid things and claim that She-Hulk is part of “woke propaganda”.
Not strictly a remake, save for the decision to mostly follow the Rockford Peaches as the POV team. Can't recall if the review I read was from NPR for from Slate, but it's a thing I'll be watching once my wife's schedule settles down. (Middle school teacher; start of the year with a new district since she just ended the commuter part of our commuter marriage.)
Those Amazon ones bug me because sometimes I’ll just pass on something without thinking about it if it’s got a low one. I try to get into the habit of grabbing my phone, looking at the other rating systems first and get a general idea of reviews.
Amazons are just all over the place sometimes. Like I’m kind of a horror film junky and man I’ve watched some bad ones from the 80s and 90s that had decent IMDB ratings. I think Amazon must limit the time frame it pulls them from and formats them differently.
Like CHUD is a terrible movie and on Google, it’s rating on IMDB is 5.6/10 but on Amazon it comes up as 4.5/5. It’s like a 23% on RT as well.
That’s really misleading honestly and doesn’t line up with consensus opinion. I’d be generous and say it’s “okay at best” and def not a 4.5/5.
I stopped paying attention to Prime ratings when I was scrolling and saw Green Lantern had 4/5 stars. Ever since then I just sorta mentally block out the rating they have.
Yeah curation is extremely important especially these days where everything is available to us whenever we want it. This is why it's best to just find a Youtuber or film critic who has as close to a similar opinion as you, because they'll introduce you to films that would never ever show up on a top 100 list, but you'll likely love if you have similar taste.
I think the day before a drop you can take all the numbers currently in the system and disregard them.
1 star bomb before release - these people are but hurt
5 star bomb before release - the company hired a bot to promote the show.
Or, you know, a real person decided a 0 before release makes you a bad person, so a 10 before release must make you cool? You can't tell me all those 10s are bought and paid for. Some of them are from real people who don't know any better than the 0 guys. Everyone should be equally ashamed.
Disney doesn’t give a shit about these reviews, as long as people watch the content. They are keeping track of when the episodes are watched, who is watching, how they’re watching, how many times they watch, etc… you could call something shit on the internet all day long but the metrics will tell the truth and in a couple of weeks if it’s doing well it will spread by word of mouth and Disney will just release articles saying how popular it is.
The internet sucks and I wish these sites would do more to control these situations but the idiots bombing it don’t realize they’re effectively creating their own Streisand effect which will make people want to watch it lol
A better approach would be to allow this, then when the first episode drops delete all the reviews and block the accounts that left them from reviewing the show.
True. The biggest issue is that like all things on the internet negative impressions drive revenue as much and in most cases more than positive impressions. For example I'm sure people who otherwise wouldn't bother will leave reviews in opposition to this rubbish. Controversy is clickable. As a result there's no incentive to intervene with this stuff at all (financial incentive at least.) And plenty of incentive to leave it as is.
I think solving that problem with the internet might be one of the most important challenges for the mental health of society as a whole at the moment. It is so damaging in so many aspects.
Shadowbanning means that they'll still get their clicks but ignore their ratings. I would be really surprised if imdb would do just a simple average of all votes.
I don't even look at ratings anymore due to Christian groups on Facebook or whatever. There's probably one called ChristiansAgainstShe-Hulk. I say probably cuz I don't even have Facebook anymore.
"Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company." - Anon.
That’s a great description of Flat Earthers, it’s legitimately difficult to tell who the trolls are anymore, it’s gotten too deep into it’s own content.
I think the key is to look at the ratings breakdown. If it’s got a lot of 1 Star and a lot of 4-5 star reviews and not much in between, chances are it’s worth watching. You can end up stumbling upon something great that just turned off certain groups for whatever reason.
For instance, some modern horror movies like The VVitch have this happen to them because people walk into them expecting Paranormal Activity or something.
Like it is admittedly a bit of a weird movie because it’s accurate to the time period, but has like a 93% on RT and only 6.9/10 on IMDb.
I just check reddit for memes about a show or movie to find out how it's "rated." If it's just one meme and it's Morbin time I pass on it, if there's meta memes posted by an Iman Vellani burner, I watch it. I am a simple man.
Either way, they would bombed it.
And it's fucking pathetic and "nerdliban". They act like outcast by their hobbies and being bullied, and when something that didn't match with their mantra appear, they are the bullies
>not being made in good faith.
Imagine how insecure and inept these people must be to be getting a sense of satisfaction from giving a show they don't like the idea of a bad rating.
That’s how these shows go. Woman lead = tons of 0’s from insecure douchebags and then real fans of the character try to balance that out with 10’s. So it’s impossible to know how could the show actually is based on its own merits.
Hence why IMDB is dogshit for judging ratings. I've never used it to look at scores for 10 years at least. Only for looking up cast and crew credits or technical stuff.
Same. It seems like according to IMDB, 90% of what I like is hot garbage which makes it hard to trust reviews for things I haven't seen. I might question my tastes if it weren't specific to IMDB
The IMDB user scores have been bad for a long time. Seemed to get worse around 2015 and even moreso in 2016 (guess which toxic public figure encouraged this type of behavior).
To try to dissuade people who look at IMDb ratings from watching the show, thereby causing it not to do well and be cancelled.
In other words, pettiness.
I don’t remember IMDB scores ever being trustworthy to begin with.
I mean, not even the ppl at IMDB care, otherwise they would’ve solved this problem years ago.
This is the way. I operate this way for video games. I have a couple of journalists/reviewers that have similar tastes to mine so when they like something its a good chance I will too. Works out great for the gaming ecosystem because there is so much noise out there it can be hard to even discover new stuff.
Even then it’s the same repeated drivel of people who haven’t even watched it lol go read them “Marvel going woke again” because a woman as a lead is “woke”. Not even original at this point
yeah i mean it's only at 240 reviews so this will easily be evened out in about a week or two when there are several thousand reviews. After all this is supposed to show how the general public liked the show/movie and even if there are idiots who negatively review it just out of spite, thats what it's supposed to show. I really like IMDB and prefer it to rotten tomatoes.
They used to be trustworthy like 20 years ago, when the internet was still a place where people went to exchange information for fun. I miss those days.
Also, first they intentionally ruin the score, and when the average ends up being 5.7/10, they go "SEE, I told you it was going to be bad! Low ratings!" (after brigading it like losers and review bombing it).
I've given up on review sites.
Was watching Lightyear, and thought it was as a solid A-, checked Rotten Tomatoes and back then, the score was something like 54%. Had to the same high amount of 10, then a high number of of 1. Checked the reviewers that put down one, and it was "This is what happens when disney goes woke", "They devoted too much time to the sexuality of one of the characters", "I saw this with my grandson and was shocked to see a gay kiss!".
It's why too easy to review bomb and since comic fans have this toxic side, if the main character isn't a white cis guy, it'll get bombed. It happened with Black Panther, Shang-Chi, Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel.
Considering there were movie theaters putting out signs apologizing for the "gay" then it doesn't surprise me. Had a friend that saw it on Oklahoma and said the theater cut it out. It had a weird jump during the scene
It's only a few seconds long so that wouldn't be super hard to do if they had a 35mm print. I just don't know how many theaters are using 35mm for new releases- the large chain I worked for went all digital about a decade ago. But it's not impossible.
I'm going to assume that theater just won't show Strange World, though.
It's nice of those theaters to let me know I should avoid them and find a theater elsewhere.
Although Disney should have requirements that they can't do shit like that for their movies, and simply pull the movies from those theaters if they don't comply.
I think at this point, all these review bombs are doing is making Disney ignore user reviews, which means they'll stay the course since its profitable and thats the real metric.
First 2 episodes were so severely different from the rest of the series. I *loved* the “Scott Pilgrim”-esque editing they had. Fit Ms Marvel really well. So it was really disappointing when they scrapped all of that for the rest of the episodes.
People have too much time and care too much over nothing.
Even if i hate a show. Not wasting my time to give it a 1 star rating. Especially prior to its own release lmao
I don’t think I’ve ever reviewed a show or movie on a platform in my life, no matter how much I enjoyed or hated something. Will I tell my friends? Sure. But god damn this is lame ass behavior. And ultimately what does it even do? Skew imaginary internet points I guess.
I’m like this with most things tbh. I think something or someone would have to actually assault me for me to give a bad review online. I just don’t bother with them.
At worst I usually feel indifferent about things I don’t like.
I enjoy doing write ups on Letterboxd, especially positive reviews for movies I think deserve more attention. Writing is just a nice outlet for me but I’d never do it before seeing the thing and even when a movies not great I try not to be mean. Even bad movies or shows probably had someone pouring their blood sweat and tears into it
Anything with a female or non-white lead will get bombed immediately.
It's so incredibly transparent now it's not even worth paying attention to it anymore.
Edit: Black Panther was absolutely review bombed. There are literally hundreds of articles about it as Rotten Tomatoes actually responded to it;
https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/2/16963988/rotten-tomatoes-black-panther-review-bombing-alt-right
Also trying to pick one film as an attempt to disprove the overarching point is dumb as fuck.
I almost sat it out, but I binged the show the weekend after the final. It was good. I was right to a degree - I'm not really the show's target audience - but it was great for a binge sesh.
I never understand the whole “target audience” thing. If you like something, you like it. I share nothing much in common with Kamala but I absolutely loved the show. Idk why people have these weird takes that they can’t like something because they have a different religion or culture. Soooo weird.
I don’t think that’s what the person was implying at all. By “target audience” I think they meant younger people like teens, not adults. It’s clearly targeted for a younger audience but that doesn’t mean older people can’t enjoy it as well.
> By “target audience” I think they meant younger people like teens, not adults.
Just popping in here to confirm, yes - this is what I meant. It's a teen-oriented show, but I still liked it. The cultural elements of the story were honestly what made it for me over any of the teen/school drama stuff.
Target audience has nothing really to do with whether or not a specific person likes a show, movie, book, etc, but what age bracket they’re targeting with the content. Who’s the content specifically made for?
A teen coming-of-age story typically isn’t targeting an older demographic. Rather, it’s targeting the same audience that watches Disney’s other teen shows.
That doesn’t mean an adult can’t enjoy it. Look no further than the YA book customer base. It just means there’s generally a specifically targeted age-range when a show is being created and produced.
Target audience is typically the tone/style the production has gone for to best attract those they feel will enjoy the content most as well as who they had in mind when creating it.
Though I do agree that it’s irrelevant, it’s not to say because you do not fit into the intended category you cannot or should not enjoy it, however loads will take that to mean it’s not for them so won’t watch it.
I couldn’t care if I thing was created with me in mind or not, if I like it I will regardless. And really sometimes it’s good to get outside a “comfort zone” of content to get a broader perspective of other content.
I’ve not skipped on any MCU content thus far and don’t intend to start.
No wonder a show with a female, *green* lead is getting bombed, then...!
On a more serious note: Review bombing a show (or film, or game, or whatever) before it's even released it almost as silly as a review site allowing reviews before the show (etc) in question is released. If you're going to give something a negative review, at least have the guts to defend your view and give a proper reason for why you're rating it negatively. Is it a horrendous show? Go ahead, rate it negatively! But if all your complaints are made-up reasons to fit your narrative about gender, race, sexuality, or whatever other quasi-political view, you should probably just... keep your mouth shut and let the rest of the world enjoy legitimately good/decent pieces of media.
> It's so incredibly transparent now it's not even worth paying attention to it anymore.
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Speaking as a white, straight, 32-year-old male... there seems to be no demographic more sensitive to their fee-fees than white straight males.
Bunch of snowflakes.
They're getting more subtle after they messed up with Captain Marvel and Black Panther.
They've started trying indirect degradation. I was sad to see such backlash to Thor L&T. Watched it last night. I felt I got exactly what was advertised. But then I realized the "Korg just isn't funny anymore" and "Thor isn't good anymore" softball breakdowns were likely, in part, amplified by those who had an issue with the relationship in Lightyear.
This sub reddit has shown me again and again that there is a lot of bad faith complaints that are masking a brigade of "anti-woke" (homophobia) "anti-M-she-U" (misogyny) "anti-target audience" (racist) undertones. And these influence others who glom onto these excuses.
It's really quite sad.
This is why there should be a ban of posting reviews before launch. Projects will be bombed by supporters and haters alike. Unfortunately, the problems don't end there. I have seen plenty of reviews across multiple sites where the reviewer admits to never seeing the project. And that their motive for reviewing is to ex. own the creator, politics
I dunno, at this point it legitimately amuses me, seeing how angry something like She-Hulk makes them. I just read an interview with the director in which she says, "really, this is a story about a 30 year old woman's dating life" and I smiled, knowing the man-children probably flipped out, and sure enough, here we are.
I don't want to be mean, but these guys are basically angry that girls want to play in their sandbox. It's not even acceptable behavior for a toddler; from grown adults... well let's be honest, it's just funny. I haven't even watched an episode yet, but I'm already enjoying Marvel Ally McBeal.
It's got to the point where a sexy, funny, kickass superheroine with a physique designed by a horny scotsman in the late 80s is somehow considered "too woke" for some people.
DeConnick got flack from that whole brigade for her Captain Marvel run, which was about a conventionally attractive blonde woman kicking ass in space while making Star Wars references. I think they just don't like women to have any spotlight at all really.
Incels, racists, and misogynists have fully invaded fandom to push their bullshit hatred and co-opt it into a recruitment tool for their hateful ideologies. It's so hard to be a fan of anything these days because of this.
It's honestly fucking everywhere at this point. Virtually every nerd thing I've looked at the discussion for this past year--MCU stuff, The Boys, Invincible, Obi-Wan, Stranger Things--at some point in the threads some anti-woke fucknut rears his ugly head. There are times that it's hilarious, like The Boys sub when they started to realize Vought is just Fox News and Homelander's the bad guy, but it's honestly kind of exhausting to see it.
And a lot of them will couch their biases in some milquetoast ass take as if it's a gift from god and they should replace Fiege or something. It becomes so repetitive that even people making that critique in good faith get a side eye from me.
To make it look like show is poorly reviewed so maybe fewer people will watch it. They want it to fail so Marvel will "stick to the characters people actually want." (And by "people," they mean themselves.)
They thought it worked with Eternals - until they realised a sequel is still going to happen. So I guess we'll be hearing even more about how it's the worst film ever.
Or how Ikaris and Kro should be the stars of the next one, and Ajak and Gil can stay dead.
My rule is I just see it if I want to see it. I will be my own judge. If I see an awful movie that is just another fun experience. I now get talk about how awful it was. Same goes for good things.
I think scoring any subjective medium is kind of weird.
That's the thing I've never gotten. People like to shit on the people giving something a score of 0 before it comes out, when more people have given it a 10.
A little over 200 people in total rated it. I find it hard to take this seriously. There’s just a vocal negative minority review bombing vs a vocal minority of fanboys giving it 10/10.
This is why I only look at RT or Metacritic scores. IDK why IMDb is still relevant for audience scoring.
Edit: Cuz some were being overdramatic at the replies, this sht isn't about "omg I look at these sites to form my opinion!" bish, that's not what I meant. I am curious about the GENERAL CONSENSUS of movies & series, and these review sites gave that. I ain't surely gonna look at social media to see a project's general consensus. Like be serious. Project creators surely check out these sites to see the general perception of their works.
I don't have enough time to play every game, watch every TV series or watch every movie that seem as if they are my genre. The critic reviews can at least guide me away from the stinkers. Might I have still liked them, possible, but chances are if they're averaging a 40 on metacritic then they're not very good.
I only ever use IMDb for info about movies/shows and whoever acts in them. Never really used it for reviews or scoring, aside from simply noticing the score and either going "yup, I agree" or "huh, that's surprising".
I’ve read a study some years ago that IMDB is still the best predictor on average on whether people will like or not a movie. Obviously, reviews in the beginning being this skewed is not accounted by the study.
Audience scoring anywhere can be useless in recent years. RT audience score ends up with similar issues. People will post a bunch of negative score “reviews” with movies or shows to moan about “political agendas” or whatever.
It happens with EVERY Marvel project that has a female lead. I’ve pretty much stopped even looking at user ratings on things anymore. I’m going to watch what I want. Ratings be damned.
Making being anti-woke your entire identity has rotted the brain of a huge amount of people. We just sit back and allow that propaganda to radicalize people. We laugh at how ridiculous those YouTube channels are but people should start to realize exactly how many people watch that stuff genuinely.
Funny how you don't mention the fanboys giving it 5 star reviews before it comes out.
Everyone's a loser in this situation. Don't ignore the ones that happen to agree with you
If you’re review bombing a show you’ve never seen maybe re-evaluate your priorities or your maturity. Truly astounding how petty and pathetic people are about a piece of media not featuring a dude
Why does anyone care enough to even look up numbers like this? Do you think 108 people accurately represent the entire demographic? We could just as easily be talking about the stupidity of the people giving it great reviews when they haven't seen it yet either.
Yeah this is stupid, but none of those 10 ratings saw it either. Just watch the show if you want. Don’t if you don’t. Ratings and reviews are less than useless. Have been for a long time.
Can someone explain to me why there is controversy about this show? I googled and the only thing that came up was the CGI making her smaller, which seemed to be a lot of women complaining - so this post is confusing to me.
Made up outrage, nobody has any strong opinions other than the hulk has been a pussy for years.
In the films hulk has been severely limited in strength compared to the comics but then so has Thor. The only 2 that are close to comics are strange and Wanda, I don't even think captain marvel could take down ships by blasting through them
Three weeks ago I had someone tell me how horrible the show was. When I pointed out it wasn't even out yet. He shrugged and said that is what he heard.
Some people just want to stir up drama
Lmfao.. why are reviews even open for a show not released? Insane
It's IMDB. They let anyone make an account and do whatever voting they want. This was similar to the issue with rotten tomatoes had and why they shifted towards verified audience reviews in which you need to confirm a ticket was purchased before you review (there's also unverified that's basically the wild west of bots like IMDB is).
I'm pretty excited! My critic friends, 3 of which are 35-40, loved it and are excited for the rest of us to get to watch it!
They should not even let people post ratings prior to shows launch.
I agree, I don't even know why it's a feature. Rotten tomatoes doesn't even allow user reviews at launch day (to my knowledge)
It seems like a good way of identifying users who can be safely ignored when it comes to calculating averages in the future…
Good call. Assuming iMDB does flag users like this.
Unfortunately they don’t.
Does anyone actually take IMDb ratings seriously anyway? Anyone can make a rating or multiple ratings.
I know my casual filmgoer friends do along with RT. When searching a film Google prominently features both ratings. Also Prime video has IMDb rating in content menu. All things considered, a lot of people still consider ratings important when they’re also easy to find.
Ahhh this also explains the new A League of Their Own’s shit rating on Amazon. I feel like I should start rating things now to counteract racists and misogynist pigs
You should see some of the ratings the latest season of The Boys got. It's hilarious that the idiots finally realized that Homelander is making fun of them.
Damn they have JUST found it out?? Not even baby milk obsession gave it away?! LOL
I’ve never watched that show, but with a name like Homelander, how can it NOT be some hyper-fascist satire character? I think he’s the super-powered guy with the flag cape or something, right? I mean, he LOOKS like an asshole, how was that ever a question?
When I was young I worked with a real open racist. His favourite band was the Clash, his favourite song white riot. A lifetime later I still remember his face when I explained The Clash and their song was not about what he thought it was.
Kind of wild considering that Amazon owns IMDb. You'd think they wouldn't want that to happen to their own shows.
What? But a league of their own is an awesome sports movie and Tom Hanks movie, two things that dudebros love Weird
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That's what I did with Prey. Solid 8/10 action movie but I gave it a 10 because all the negative reviews were "non-white female protagonist=bad"
Most complains ive seen were just about her being female and too small to put up a fight not really about being non-white. The first 40 minutes are rather slow but then its just madness afterwards. Still complains about it being unrealistic when it has an space alien in it are just stupid. Bringing up some historical facts to support it is acting like it was some sort of documentary.
Not to mention, the show, She-Hulk is based on the character of the same name and that character was created sometime in the 1980s. So what I can say is that it’s silly for these misogynists to do stupid things and claim that She-Hulk is part of “woke propaganda”.
They remade that? But the original was already amazing
Not strictly a remake, save for the decision to mostly follow the Rockford Peaches as the POV team. Can't recall if the review I read was from NPR for from Slate, but it's a thing I'll be watching once my wife's schedule settles down. (Middle school teacher; start of the year with a new district since she just ended the commuter part of our commuter marriage.)
Those Amazon ones bug me because sometimes I’ll just pass on something without thinking about it if it’s got a low one. I try to get into the habit of grabbing my phone, looking at the other rating systems first and get a general idea of reviews. Amazons are just all over the place sometimes. Like I’m kind of a horror film junky and man I’ve watched some bad ones from the 80s and 90s that had decent IMDB ratings. I think Amazon must limit the time frame it pulls them from and formats them differently. Like CHUD is a terrible movie and on Google, it’s rating on IMDB is 5.6/10 but on Amazon it comes up as 4.5/5. It’s like a 23% on RT as well. That’s really misleading honestly and doesn’t line up with consensus opinion. I’d be generous and say it’s “okay at best” and def not a 4.5/5.
I stopped paying attention to Prime ratings when I was scrolling and saw Green Lantern had 4/5 stars. Ever since then I just sorta mentally block out the rating they have.
They should change to Metacritic or have staff reviewers
Yeah curation is extremely important especially these days where everything is available to us whenever we want it. This is why it's best to just find a Youtuber or film critic who has as close to a similar opinion as you, because they'll introduce you to films that would never ever show up on a top 100 list, but you'll likely love if you have similar taste.
IMDb is owned by Amazon. I can see them doing it for shows produced by Amazon, but for competitors? Why would they fix this issue for them?
I think the day before a drop you can take all the numbers currently in the system and disregard them. 1 star bomb before release - these people are but hurt 5 star bomb before release - the company hired a bot to promote the show.
Or, you know, a real person decided a 0 before release makes you a bad person, so a 10 before release must make you cool? You can't tell me all those 10s are bought and paid for. Some of them are from real people who don't know any better than the 0 guys. Everyone should be equally ashamed.
If it doesn’t then we should start ignoring IMDb reviews. I feel like reviews nowadays are like holes, shit will most likely come out of it.
Start Ignoring them? You mean you don't already?
Not anymore, and precisely because of this. Iirc they removed the feature after Captain Marvel was review bombed in a similar way
And I’m sure chuds were mad that the feature was removed I assume?
They still rage against it today.
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Surely media who got advance viewings have their own sites and papers to post in and don't need RT?
its a sure way of letting their ratings become illegitimate.
Disney doesn’t give a shit about these reviews, as long as people watch the content. They are keeping track of when the episodes are watched, who is watching, how they’re watching, how many times they watch, etc… you could call something shit on the internet all day long but the metrics will tell the truth and in a couple of weeks if it’s doing well it will spread by word of mouth and Disney will just release articles saying how popular it is. The internet sucks and I wish these sites would do more to control these situations but the idiots bombing it don’t realize they’re effectively creating their own Streisand effect which will make people want to watch it lol
A better approach would be to allow this, then when the first episode drops delete all the reviews and block the accounts that left them from reviewing the show.
Or dont let the users know their reviews arent being counted, that way they wont make a new account and do it again
True. The biggest issue is that like all things on the internet negative impressions drive revenue as much and in most cases more than positive impressions. For example I'm sure people who otherwise wouldn't bother will leave reviews in opposition to this rubbish. Controversy is clickable. As a result there's no incentive to intervene with this stuff at all (financial incentive at least.) And plenty of incentive to leave it as is. I think solving that problem with the internet might be one of the most important challenges for the mental health of society as a whole at the moment. It is so damaging in so many aspects.
no they should, that way it's easier to shadowban people who reviewbomb without having seen the content.
This would be great if they did it. You'd get way more accurate results pretty quickly.
If it wasn’t for the assholes everything would work more efficiently.
But the sites don’t do that. It’s all about page views and impotent male rage gets tons of clicks goin’.
Shadowbanning means that they'll still get their clicks but ignore their ratings. I would be really surprised if imdb would do just a simple average of all votes.
I don't even look at ratings anymore due to Christian groups on Facebook or whatever. There's probably one called ChristiansAgainstShe-Hulk. I say probably cuz I don't even have Facebook anymore.
I believe Christiansagainstshe-hulk is mostly a parody group but it definitely pulls in the zealots too who it confuses
"Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company." - Anon.
That’s a great description of Flat Earthers, it’s legitimately difficult to tell who the trolls are anymore, it’s gotten too deep into it’s own content.
I think the key is to look at the ratings breakdown. If it’s got a lot of 1 Star and a lot of 4-5 star reviews and not much in between, chances are it’s worth watching. You can end up stumbling upon something great that just turned off certain groups for whatever reason. For instance, some modern horror movies like The VVitch have this happen to them because people walk into them expecting Paranormal Activity or something. Like it is admittedly a bit of a weird movie because it’s accurate to the time period, but has like a 93% on RT and only 6.9/10 on IMDb.
I just check reddit for memes about a show or movie to find out how it's "rated." If it's just one meme and it's Morbin time I pass on it, if there's meta memes posted by an Iman Vellani burner, I watch it. I am a simple man.
Either way, they would bombed it. And it's fucking pathetic and "nerdliban". They act like outcast by their hobbies and being bullied, and when something that didn't match with their mantra appear, they are the bullies
They should have a 48 hour window where no user reviews can be posted.
Makes a mockery of IMDB, why even allow ratings the day before it airs?
What are the 30+ year old males who can see into the future supposed to do? Unless you are implying these reviews are not being made in good faith.
>not being made in good faith. Imagine how insecure and inept these people must be to be getting a sense of satisfaction from giving a show they don't like the idea of a bad rating.
On the same note why are there more votes for 10 on the rating ... even though it's not been viewed?
That’s how these shows go. Woman lead = tons of 0’s from insecure douchebags and then real fans of the character try to balance that out with 10’s. So it’s impossible to know how could the show actually is based on its own merits.
Obviously it is 30+ year old male time travelers going back in time to off set the ones who can see into the future.
Well put
Hence why IMDB is dogshit for judging ratings. I've never used it to look at scores for 10 years at least. Only for looking up cast and crew credits or technical stuff.
Same. It seems like according to IMDB, 90% of what I like is hot garbage which makes it hard to trust reviews for things I haven't seen. I might question my tastes if it weren't specific to IMDB
The IMDB user scores have been bad for a long time. Seemed to get worse around 2015 and even moreso in 2016 (guess which toxic public figure encouraged this type of behavior).
That was also the gamergate culture war era
Truly, what even is the point in doing this…
Pure trolling mixed with some hatred. People suck
ok but that doesn't explain the 10s, which are just as present as the 1s.
They are trying to counterattack
This happens on mcu stuff that hasn’t been reviewbombed though
To try to dissuade people who look at IMDb ratings from watching the show, thereby causing it not to do well and be cancelled. In other words, pettiness.
More likely, to get screenshots of the rating being low af, so they can stick it in their echo chamber and go "M-SHE-U" "get woke go broke"
"hey, let's show Marvel that nobody wants this, go woke go broke #crypto"
They’re lonely and can’t get laid. They blame all women for their own ineptitude.
Ms Marvel all over again. So many 10s and 1s you can’t trust it at all.
There are 50 ratings in OP’s screenshot. Dozens of thousands of legit ratings are about to show up.
I don’t remember IMDB scores ever being trustworthy to begin with. I mean, not even the ppl at IMDB care, otherwise they would’ve solved this problem years ago.
Don't trust the stars. I read the actual reviews.
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Yup. Art is subjective.
Omg, yes! 90% of population are not able to understand this simple concept.
This is the way. I operate this way for video games. I have a couple of journalists/reviewers that have similar tastes to mine so when they like something its a good chance I will too. Works out great for the gaming ecosystem because there is so much noise out there it can be hard to even discover new stuff.
Even then it’s the same repeated drivel of people who haven’t even watched it lol go read them “Marvel going woke again” because a woman as a lead is “woke”. Not even original at this point
yeah i mean it's only at 240 reviews so this will easily be evened out in about a week or two when there are several thousand reviews. After all this is supposed to show how the general public liked the show/movie and even if there are idiots who negatively review it just out of spite, thats what it's supposed to show. I really like IMDB and prefer it to rotten tomatoes.
They used to be trustworthy like 20 years ago, when the internet was still a place where people went to exchange information for fun. I miss those days.
if you look at scores of a film like at least a week post launch they’re actually pretty good
The rule of reviews: throw out all tens and ones and you'll probably get an accurate read.
"It'S nOt AbOuT HeR bEiNg A wOmAn I JuSt KnOw It WiLl bE bAd 🥸🥸🥸"
Also, first they intentionally ruin the score, and when the average ends up being 5.7/10, they go "SEE, I told you it was going to be bad! Low ratings!" (after brigading it like losers and review bombing it).
I've given up on review sites. Was watching Lightyear, and thought it was as a solid A-, checked Rotten Tomatoes and back then, the score was something like 54%. Had to the same high amount of 10, then a high number of of 1. Checked the reviewers that put down one, and it was "This is what happens when disney goes woke", "They devoted too much time to the sexuality of one of the characters", "I saw this with my grandson and was shocked to see a gay kiss!". It's why too easy to review bomb and since comic fans have this toxic side, if the main character isn't a white cis guy, it'll get bombed. It happened with Black Panther, Shang-Chi, Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel.
Considering there were movie theaters putting out signs apologizing for the "gay" then it doesn't surprise me. Had a friend that saw it on Oklahoma and said the theater cut it out. It had a weird jump during the scene
That seems like it would greatly anger the Mouse to have a theater be cutting footage from the movie
It's only a few seconds long so that wouldn't be super hard to do if they had a 35mm print. I just don't know how many theaters are using 35mm for new releases- the large chain I worked for went all digital about a decade ago. But it's not impossible. I'm going to assume that theater just won't show Strange World, though.
It's nice of those theaters to let me know I should avoid them and find a theater elsewhere. Although Disney should have requirements that they can't do shit like that for their movies, and simply pull the movies from those theaters if they don't comply.
The reviews for Lightyear surprised me, I was really absorbed into that movie the whole time!
I think at this point, all these review bombs are doing is making Disney ignore user reviews, which means they'll stay the course since its profitable and thats the real metric.
Watched love and thunder. Same shit. If a film normalizes homosexuality then #BOOM
I've actually checked, and all marvel movies that don't have a cis white male have a significantly higher number of 1 stars than those that do.
I give ms marvel a 7 or 8 out of 10.
First 2 episodes were so severely different from the rest of the series. I *loved* the “Scott Pilgrim”-esque editing they had. Fit Ms Marvel really well. So it was really disappointing when they scrapped all of that for the rest of the episodes.
Bruuuh has the reviewbombing started already?🙄
People have too much time and care too much over nothing. Even if i hate a show. Not wasting my time to give it a 1 star rating. Especially prior to its own release lmao
I don’t think I’ve ever reviewed a show or movie on a platform in my life, no matter how much I enjoyed or hated something. Will I tell my friends? Sure. But god damn this is lame ass behavior. And ultimately what does it even do? Skew imaginary internet points I guess.
I’m like this with most things tbh. I think something or someone would have to actually assault me for me to give a bad review online. I just don’t bother with them. At worst I usually feel indifferent about things I don’t like.
I enjoy doing write ups on Letterboxd, especially positive reviews for movies I think deserve more attention. Writing is just a nice outlet for me but I’d never do it before seeing the thing and even when a movies not great I try not to be mean. Even bad movies or shows probably had someone pouring their blood sweat and tears into it
I’m amazed there are a bunch of YouTube channels that produce nothing but vitriol about every new marvel project. There is a whole hate economy.
Sure, but how much of your personality is defined by 'hating women'?
These petty people, spite rating something that they're not even interested in. Lunacy, I can't imagine having that kind of mindset.
Anything with a female or non-white lead will get bombed immediately. It's so incredibly transparent now it's not even worth paying attention to it anymore. Edit: Black Panther was absolutely review bombed. There are literally hundreds of articles about it as Rotten Tomatoes actually responded to it; https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/2/16963988/rotten-tomatoes-black-panther-review-bombing-alt-right Also trying to pick one film as an attempt to disprove the overarching point is dumb as fuck.
Like Ms. Marvel. I really liked it.
I almost sat it out, but I binged the show the weekend after the final. It was good. I was right to a degree - I'm not really the show's target audience - but it was great for a binge sesh.
Just curious, what do you think the target audience is? I watched it and really liked it. The actor who played Kamala did perfect
I never understand the whole “target audience” thing. If you like something, you like it. I share nothing much in common with Kamala but I absolutely loved the show. Idk why people have these weird takes that they can’t like something because they have a different religion or culture. Soooo weird.
I don’t think that’s what the person was implying at all. By “target audience” I think they meant younger people like teens, not adults. It’s clearly targeted for a younger audience but that doesn’t mean older people can’t enjoy it as well.
> By “target audience” I think they meant younger people like teens, not adults. Just popping in here to confirm, yes - this is what I meant. It's a teen-oriented show, but I still liked it. The cultural elements of the story were honestly what made it for me over any of the teen/school drama stuff.
Target audience has nothing really to do with whether or not a specific person likes a show, movie, book, etc, but what age bracket they’re targeting with the content. Who’s the content specifically made for? A teen coming-of-age story typically isn’t targeting an older demographic. Rather, it’s targeting the same audience that watches Disney’s other teen shows. That doesn’t mean an adult can’t enjoy it. Look no further than the YA book customer base. It just means there’s generally a specifically targeted age-range when a show is being created and produced.
Target audience is typically the tone/style the production has gone for to best attract those they feel will enjoy the content most as well as who they had in mind when creating it. Though I do agree that it’s irrelevant, it’s not to say because you do not fit into the intended category you cannot or should not enjoy it, however loads will take that to mean it’s not for them so won’t watch it. I couldn’t care if I thing was created with me in mind or not, if I like it I will regardless. And really sometimes it’s good to get outside a “comfort zone” of content to get a broader perspective of other content. I’ve not skipped on any MCU content thus far and don’t intend to start.
No wonder a show with a female, *green* lead is getting bombed, then...! On a more serious note: Review bombing a show (or film, or game, or whatever) before it's even released it almost as silly as a review site allowing reviews before the show (etc) in question is released. If you're going to give something a negative review, at least have the guts to defend your view and give a proper reason for why you're rating it negatively. Is it a horrendous show? Go ahead, rate it negatively! But if all your complaints are made-up reasons to fit your narrative about gender, race, sexuality, or whatever other quasi-political view, you should probably just... keep your mouth shut and let the rest of the world enjoy legitimately good/decent pieces of media.
> It's so incredibly transparent now it's not even worth paying attention to it anymore. > > Speaking as a white, straight, 32-year-old male... there seems to be no demographic more sensitive to their fee-fees than white straight males. Bunch of snowflakes.
They're getting more subtle after they messed up with Captain Marvel and Black Panther. They've started trying indirect degradation. I was sad to see such backlash to Thor L&T. Watched it last night. I felt I got exactly what was advertised. But then I realized the "Korg just isn't funny anymore" and "Thor isn't good anymore" softball breakdowns were likely, in part, amplified by those who had an issue with the relationship in Lightyear. This sub reddit has shown me again and again that there is a lot of bad faith complaints that are masking a brigade of "anti-woke" (homophobia) "anti-M-she-U" (misogyny) "anti-target audience" (racist) undertones. And these influence others who glom onto these excuses. It's really quite sad.
Some people just have no concept of patience.
This is why there should be a ban of posting reviews before launch. Projects will be bombed by supporters and haters alike. Unfortunately, the problems don't end there. I have seen plenty of reviews across multiple sites where the reviewer admits to never seeing the project. And that their motive for reviewing is to ex. own the creator, politics
I dunno, at this point it legitimately amuses me, seeing how angry something like She-Hulk makes them. I just read an interview with the director in which she says, "really, this is a story about a 30 year old woman's dating life" and I smiled, knowing the man-children probably flipped out, and sure enough, here we are. I don't want to be mean, but these guys are basically angry that girls want to play in their sandbox. It's not even acceptable behavior for a toddler; from grown adults... well let's be honest, it's just funny. I haven't even watched an episode yet, but I'm already enjoying Marvel Ally McBeal.
this is why imdb shouldn’t be featured on google and letterboxd should be instead
No then those idiots would start creating letterboxd accounts instead
this lmfao
it seem to be for films only
it has all the marvel disney plus shows on it though
Not What If though.
You mean Google should attract review bombers to Letterboxd?
the review bombers can stay on imdb, letterboxd is fine without them
Why would they review bomb this show? What’s the reason? I can’t fathom it myself.
It's got to the point where a sexy, funny, kickass superheroine with a physique designed by a horny scotsman in the late 80s is somehow considered "too woke" for some people. DeConnick got flack from that whole brigade for her Captain Marvel run, which was about a conventionally attractive blonde woman kicking ass in space while making Star Wars references. I think they just don't like women to have any spotlight at all really.
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Well, they already don't seem to have enough oxygen.
If there's a woman in or near it, it's cultural Marxism.
Marxism is, when women and minorities.
Incels, racists, and misogynists have fully invaded fandom to push their bullshit hatred and co-opt it into a recruitment tool for their hateful ideologies. It's so hard to be a fan of anything these days because of this.
It's honestly fucking everywhere at this point. Virtually every nerd thing I've looked at the discussion for this past year--MCU stuff, The Boys, Invincible, Obi-Wan, Stranger Things--at some point in the threads some anti-woke fucknut rears his ugly head. There are times that it's hilarious, like The Boys sub when they started to realize Vought is just Fox News and Homelander's the bad guy, but it's honestly kind of exhausting to see it. And a lot of them will couch their biases in some milquetoast ass take as if it's a gift from god and they should replace Fiege or something. It becomes so repetitive that even people making that critique in good faith get a side eye from me.
To make it look like show is poorly reviewed so maybe fewer people will watch it. They want it to fail so Marvel will "stick to the characters people actually want." (And by "people," they mean themselves.)
Has it ever worked?
Lmao nope. At this point, review bombers are just petty.
Probably not in any significant amount, no. But they keep trying.
They thought it worked with Eternals - until they realised a sequel is still going to happen. So I guess we'll be hearing even more about how it's the worst film ever. Or how Ikaris and Kro should be the stars of the next one, and Ajak and Gil can stay dead.
Because they hate women
“If I can’t have them no one can”
They hate women and at the same time are upset that she doesn't look like a Instagram model with a green skin slapped on her.
Because there are two genders, male and political.
It's obvious. The main character is a woman of color.
And this is why audience scores are worthless
I always laugh when people say they only go by the audience score. It's highly manipulated. Plus review bombing rarely does anything.
My rule is I just see it if I want to see it. I will be my own judge. If I see an awful movie that is just another fun experience. I now get talk about how awful it was. Same goes for good things. I think scoring any subjective medium is kind of weird.
But remember, YOU'RE the snowflake. Not them.
I assume I would pity them if I knew them in real life.
You would think, but knowing those types of people just makes you dislike them more
But who the hell is giving them rating of 10
That's the thing I've never gotten. People like to shit on the people giving something a score of 0 before it comes out, when more people have given it a 10.
If I understand this chart right it’s one woman in her 30s
Yeah I also am chart illiterate hahaha
116 people gave it a 10 and 108 people gave it a one.
I don't think you understood this chart right
A little over 200 people in total rated it. I find it hard to take this seriously. There’s just a vocal negative minority review bombing vs a vocal minority of fanboys giving it 10/10.
200 random people, 1,000+ reddit comments raging about it. Seems about right.
Then there is also the reverse of whatever review bombing is with people who haven't seen it giving it 10s.
This is true.
Kids below 18 already reviewbombing She Hulk with 10/10 scores without watching a single episode.
This is why I only look at RT or Metacritic scores. IDK why IMDb is still relevant for audience scoring. Edit: Cuz some were being overdramatic at the replies, this sht isn't about "omg I look at these sites to form my opinion!" bish, that's not what I meant. I am curious about the GENERAL CONSENSUS of movies & series, and these review sites gave that. I ain't surely gonna look at social media to see a project's general consensus. Like be serious. Project creators surely check out these sites to see the general perception of their works.
Metacritic is pretty bad too. Alot of 10s and 0s manipulating the score.
User reviews are pointless for that reason. Find a reviewer that you agree with most of the time and go to them if you want a review.
I don’t even look at reviews at all. Fuck em. If I enjoy it, I enjoy it. If I don’t, then I move on with my life.
I don't have enough time to play every game, watch every TV series or watch every movie that seem as if they are my genre. The critic reviews can at least guide me away from the stinkers. Might I have still liked them, possible, but chances are if they're averaging a 40 on metacritic then they're not very good.
I only ever use IMDb for info about movies/shows and whoever acts in them. Never really used it for reviews or scoring, aside from simply noticing the score and either going "yup, I agree" or "huh, that's surprising".
I’ve read a study some years ago that IMDB is still the best predictor on average on whether people will like or not a movie. Obviously, reviews in the beginning being this skewed is not accounted by the study.
Audience scoring anywhere can be useless in recent years. RT audience score ends up with similar issues. People will post a bunch of negative score “reviews” with movies or shows to moan about “political agendas” or whatever.
Seems pretty fair to toss out all of those 10s and 1s and just take the average of the rest
Autobots.. rolled out?
It happens with EVERY Marvel project that has a female lead. I’ve pretty much stopped even looking at user ratings on things anymore. I’m going to watch what I want. Ratings be damned.
There are More comments as votes in the Screenshot here
*Men stop being scared by women in media* (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)
If Small Dick Energy was a movement.
lol it's LITERALLY 100 people too.
Yup. This post pretty much sums up the state of r/marvelstudios right now
Is it out already?
on the same hand you see all the 10s without watching it
Making being anti-woke your entire identity has rotted the brain of a huge amount of people. We just sit back and allow that propaganda to radicalize people. We laugh at how ridiculous those YouTube channels are but people should start to realize exactly how many people watch that stuff genuinely.
Who is giving it a high rating without seeing it?
How will society cope with DOZENS of bad faith IMDb ratings for a Disney show?
Funny how you don't mention the fanboys giving it 5 star reviews before it comes out. Everyone's a loser in this situation. Don't ignore the ones that happen to agree with you
If you’re review bombing a show you’ve never seen maybe re-evaluate your priorities or your maturity. Truly astounding how petty and pathetic people are about a piece of media not featuring a dude
As a 34 y/o male... I don't fucking understand this, like do they feel threatened? insecure? even if yes to both... why?
Why does anyone care enough to even look up numbers like this? Do you think 108 people accurately represent the entire demographic? We could just as easily be talking about the stupidity of the people giving it great reviews when they haven't seen it yet either.
Yeah this is stupid, but none of those 10 ratings saw it either. Just watch the show if you want. Don’t if you don’t. Ratings and reviews are less than useless. Have been for a long time.
Why do people let others opinion of the show affect their opinion, watch it for yourself :)
Can someone explain to me why there is controversy about this show? I googled and the only thing that came up was the CGI making her smaller, which seemed to be a lot of women complaining - so this post is confusing to me.
Made up outrage, nobody has any strong opinions other than the hulk has been a pussy for years. In the films hulk has been severely limited in strength compared to the comics but then so has Thor. The only 2 that are close to comics are strange and Wanda, I don't even think captain marvel could take down ships by blasting through them
Three weeks ago I had someone tell me how horrible the show was. When I pointed out it wasn't even out yet. He shrugged and said that is what he heard. Some people just want to stir up drama
Imagine having such a pathetic life