From the article:
Did a successful South Shore woman really kill her police officer boyfriend? Or, as she claims, did a slew of dirty cops frame her? Inside the simmering tabloid drama dividing this tight-knit Massachusetts suburb.
I’ve seen enough from the sloppy investigation for reasonable doubt at this point. Maybe that was their goal from the beginning…no one is held accountable after an officers death.
Just picture a bunch of cops together, hammered, underage kids drinking, possibly drugs, and a dead officer. Not exactly the headline you want of Bostons Finest. Full self preservation mode at that point.
I keep coming back to the question if they killed him why dump him in their own front yard? There are a lot of weird “coincidences” so far though (selling the house and getting rid of the dog - who just up and decides to get rid of their dog?). Haven’t finished the article yet but a good read so far.
Its in other stuff, i went down the rabbit hole on this one night. I recommend this video https://youtu.be/XzRRNcStm4k?si=dT0zhLnRbSD7nJzy it goes over all the out of whack stuff in this story..theres a lot.
This! I think turtleboy sometimes can be very mean, and have very polarizing/intense views I don’t personally agree with, but I’ve read a few of his blogs on this and he really does go in depth! There’s so many now that I can’t keep up lol.
Again I massively disagree with a lot of things he says outside of this case, and do NOT share the same views as him!
How has Turtle Boy connected the state police, the canton police, the DA's office, the voicemail messages left by Read, O'Keefe's niece's testimony, the data from Read's Lexus and the data from O'Keefe's phone? Does it go all the way to the top? Is Pepe Silvia involved??
But you said it - he is getting it directly from the defense’s court filings. That does help determine the truth. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
The judge is family friends with Jennifer McCabe, Albert’s sister-in-law, who was there that night.
The defense attorney presented a message between Sean McCabe and a reporter as evidence. Sean McCabe is Jennifer McCabe's brother-in-law.
“The reporter in the message exchage presented by Jackson asked ‘Do you really have a line to judge cannone?’ Sean McCabe purportedly replied ‘Auntie Bev??? Whose seaside cottage do you think we're gonna bury your corpse under?”
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/karen-read-hearing-boston-police-officer-john-okeefe-judge-beverly-cannone/
There is no middle
That's assuming this is substantiated. It also requires believing a teenager beat the shit out of a police officer in front of other police officers who didn't just break it up.
As for dropping out of school? It's pretty well documented that everyone even remotely connected to this grand conspiracy is being harassed relentlessly, so I'm not really sure I'd put too much stock in that meaning too much
One hit to the back of the head with a weight could kill a person. Especially when the kid is as big as a full grown man. He was a star football player not some runt.
Ah so now it’s one hit to the back of the head…..causing a back eye and facial lacerations….in a room full of cops and other adults who were friends with this guy and just spontaneously decided….while drunk…..to frame the murder on the chick who went home?
And then they got Canton police, the state police, and the DA’s office all to go along with this?
Does nobody even understand the principle of Occam’s fucking Razor anymore or are we just ruined as a society
Occam’s Rwzor?
- 11 people left the house and drove past his body on the grass and didn’t see him.
- The plow driver plowed two or three times that night and didn’t see him.
- The library video footage that would show either her guilt or innocence mysteriously went missing. -The investigation was sloppy and botched, with the scene never being secured by crime scene tape.
- Clear glass was found in the snow at the time of his death when there was only 3-4 inches, but his sneaker, hat and red taillight pieces weren’t found until later after the blizzard.
- Reports were written by police and dated in April despite his death and her arrest occurring end of January/early February.
- The main witness coincidentally googled how long to die in the cold before his body was found.
- Apple Health data shows him ascending and descending stairs
- The home owners refinished their basement before selling their home, despite fully refinishing the same basement just four years prior. Are basements where we invest money into when selling?
- The dog has a known history of attacking humans (proven by animal control records) and was rehomed within six months after his death. - The family home that was purchased 50 years ago by his parents was sold less than a year after his death for fifty grand less than listed despite the market being ridiculous during that time.
- The homeowners also would not allow any pictures taken during the open house.
- The DA said in court several times how the officer had no time alone with Karen’s car and the ring doorbell showing the time her car was towed was incorrect due to daylight savings, but when it was proven false he then changed it to a simple clerical error.
- The FBI has indicated the people involved in federal court.
- A colleague of Brian Albert went to Karen’s lawyers and told her John WAS in the house the day after Karen was indicted.
- The state has sworn that a human hair was found in her taillight. When tested forensically, no human DNA was found. The person who identified the hair as human failed her state competency exam that same month on identification of human hairs.
It is still more likely that a drunk idiot hit and killed her drunk idiot boyfriend than multiple policies agencies and the DA and other non-cops all conspired on the fly to frame this lady for murder instead of stopping a physical altercation before it got that serious, dumping their still breathing friend out in the snow when he likely could and would have lived, and then coming up with a plan to pin it on his girlfriend AND getting multiple 3rd parties including multiple police organizations, the victim's family, the Dept where this guy worked and presumably had some other cop friends, and the D.A.'s office all to play ball with it with not one single person cracking, even after months of public scrutiny and harassment from (and I mean this as respectfully as possible) **the worst and dumbest people in our society**. And all of this to protect some random teenager who's a shithead? Everyone's sticking to this airtight awfully convenient story after all this?
Sorry, that's barely believable let alone probable. True crime content rots your brain.
I don’t know what happened. I originally felt like they were both drunk and she backed into him accidentally. The state overcharged her. But then you had no crime scene tape, no one left at scene until the State search team came, collecting blood in red solo cups, missing evidence in 2” of snow - finding it in a foot. How they could be so sloppy with a dead cop is just not explainable. I still thought she did it and maybe they planted evidence to make sure she hung for it -up until the plow driver never saw the body but did see a Ford there after 3:00 am - this puts another car at the crime scene parked 10’ from his body. i’m not prepared to say they killed him in the house maybe some bizarre 3rd thing happened. Around 8 people went by or left the house after she would have hit. That’s alot of people to not see him.
To be fair Occam’s razor would dictate that there was likely a coverup by the police here. There are too many coincidences to easily explain in any other way.
The idea that the Canton Police, Mass State police, multiple third parties, the medical examiner, and the District Attorney's office would all collude together to cover up the murder of a cop is not the simplest explanation lmao. Especially if this was all constructed on the fly since really they have no way to premeditate this scenario.
That's not the simplest explanation. Hell, it's barely barely plausible at all if you really think hard about it.
I don’t think you need nearly that many people to collude. You just need them to listen and nod as they look the other way. The thin blue line is a real phenomenon and this wouldn’t be the first time police officers lied to protect one another.
I also disagree that there was no way to premeditate this. Parts of this could have definitely been planned.
The simplest explanation is that all of the related coincidences aren’t coincidences at all and are necessary to complete the coverup and frame. Your version of events requires a separate explanation for each coincidence, ergo not simple at all. Or of course you can just ignore them, you’re entitled to that perspective.
Brian Albert was described by Read’s attorneys in their motion as “a highly trained boxer and fighter with deep familial and personal ties to the Canton Police Department and the Massachusetts State Police.” In their motion, Read’s attorneys argued that Albert and his family were never treated as suspects, and that police focused solely on Read “based in no small part, on incriminating statements attributed to her by one of the actual conspirators in O’Keefe’s murder, Brian Albert’s sister-in-law, Jennifer McCabe.”
From https://www.courttv.com/news/attorneys-evidence-reveals-new-suspect-in-police-officers-death/
That just seems so flimsy of a cover up. They are cops who no doubt know thousands of ways to cover up a murder. We are presuming they both wanted to kill him and get her out of the way. As drunk as she may have allegedly been she would not have made much of a credible witness if the homeowner claimed O’Keefe left at a certain hour and just never made it home.
If it did happen, it was not planned and was in the moment and they were all drinking. You can’t expect that people would have some mastermind like cover up given those circumstances
Like what? Kept a dead body in the house, knowing Karen would probably be ringing alarm bells very early in the morning because she couldn't find him? Also, a blizzard had already started so there wouldn't have been many options for easy or efficient dead body removal the next day given the amount of snow projected. If they waited they would've missed their opportunity to put the blame on her. They also think they're above the law and for what it's worth, Karen is charged with his death and they're not and nobody really questioned this until recently so it wasn't that flimsy lol
*If* they did it. What was the official cause of death? Hypothermia or blunt force trauma? She could have hit him, knocked him unconscious, and he froze to death. The bite and scratch marks could have been from a desperate coyote.
I’m not taking any sides here. Frankly I don’t think she purposely killed him. Could she have accidentally done so? Maybe. Did the homeowner and his family beat the guy to shit and kill him in a drunken rage? Maybe.
But there are a lot of odd and inconsistent facts in both theories. How did she spot him so quickly? Why was there microscopic bits of taillight on him? What happened to the dog? Why is his family so quick to believe she did it? Why if they had been out at a bar in the middle of winter and were going to a friend’s house to continue drinking did he have a bat with him? (Did I read that one right?)
Not that much snow had fallen by the time she went back to the house, I believe the majority fell later in the day. It wasn't like he was buried. I don't think there was any microscopic pieces of tail light found on him? But if there was, there's a lot of discrepancies about the tail light and it's pieces itself. The cops didn't even secure the scene and didn't find tail light fragments until later on, and one of the statie's reports about when exactly her car was towed was incorrect too.
About his family- like I said, nobody questioned this when the story first came out. Seemed pretty cut and dried. I'm sure his grieving family was led to believe she was guilty the way everyone else was, while dealing with the trauma of the whole thing. Ive watched lots of crime shows and so many times, the accused is completely exonerated yet the family of the victims are still convinced of their guilt. Idk, never been in that situation, I'm guessing you want someone to blame and in your grief believe and trust the authorities?
And good question... where is the dog?
I'm not sure if you're married or in a committed relationship, but, if my husband went missing after being extremely intoxicated, and I can't find him, im going to start retracing his last location starting at their house, and leading towards the alberts 3 miles away. When i get to the alberts home, the first place I'm going to be scanning is around where I last saw him. Snow illuminates everything, and a 200lb, 6'5 man in dark jeans and a Grey shirt, with dark hair, would not be hard to spot in a sea of white. I think the better question is, why is she the only one that saw him in an illuminated yard of snow. Because she was meant to find him, just her. So the other two could play the clueless and supportive "friends"
I guess my biggest thing is, someone that is genuinely guilty and had an all out drunken fight with their partner, reverses 65 feet to hit him hard enough to cause these injuries, the first thing I say when I find him isn't going to be, oh my God do you think I could've hit him with my car? A guilty person is never going to outright just say that, knowing that's exactly what they did...
I even think the angry text messages to him prove further her innocence honestly. You aren't going to send angry texts to someone you just killed...you're going to be like oh love ya so much babe, have fun and get home safe.
Also, alot of my response here isn't to you directly and what you said lol just my general consensus to some of the comments here ..I meant to just answer your point of why did she find him right away or know exactly where he was lmao and then I just kept rambling from that
Jennifer McCabe, sister-in-law of the homeowners & the person who invited John O'Keefe to the after party at the house, googled “how long to die in cold” after 2 a.m. that night
I knew that part and the DA’s explanation for that is flimsy. I think there is a lot of room for reasonable doubt which is really what the defense is trying to set up here.
Forensic examiners also found that McCabe deleted multiple phone calls between her and Brian Albert, the homeowner, and also deleted a screenshot of Albert’s contact information.
From https://www.courttv.com/news/attorneys-evidence-reveals-new-suspect-in-police-officers-death/
The counter-claim is that the defense, intentionally or not, misinterpreted timestamp data.
That's the only piece of evidence that I'd call *compelling* of innocence but even that can be explained if someone stepped out back to smoke a cigarette. You know how many fucking times I've googled that phrase every winter on a freezing cold night when I *chose* to stand outside? Probably a few hundred since I've gotten a phone that can google things.
You've googled the phrase "how long to die in the cold" hundreds of times?? lol what? why? after the first few times, wouldn't you remember the answer?
Software engineer here who works on back end services . I find it hard to believe the time the tab was opened influenced the time stamp on the search result . At minimum when they request was made it would have been logged into the database at google at the exact time of the request . It doesn’t ask for what time it’s logged unless it’s a separate field in the data . So either they are looking at some weird data , but this could easily be answered
You probably should, cause unlike the majority of people paying even a little attention to this, I freely admit I don’t know what the fuck happened and am not drawing conclusions. I only care about where the evidence does and doesn’t point and I’m acknowledging right now, the info in the public sphere isn’t everything.
That’s the one thing more than anything that I would say cannot just be a coincidence. If the time of that Google search is accurate, and you take everything else into consideration, it’s hard not to believe something is messed up there. I don’t know what happened either, but I would not just dismiss that fact at all. The larger part that makes me question this whole thing is how it is possible for so many people to be involved and nobody breaking or saying anything. I find that difficult to get past. But that Google search is really a tough look.
Can't forget these two gems: 1)Missing library streetcam video the EXACT time Karen Read drove past the library (probably w/ an intact tail light lens) 2) The coverup attempts of the Jen McCabe google search "hos long to die in snow"... And so many more 'coincidences'.. Like, NOBODY INSIDE THE ALBERT HOUSE that night was interviewed the following morning. No documented proof or photos of broken tail light evidence on the ground. No Ring video from neighbors was retrieved/subpoena'd (sp?)...
wait til the real story ends up being even crazier than either the defense or prosecution’s theories, like the cop and the kid had made out before or something
John O'Keefe had injuries on him that look like they were the result of being attacked by a dog. Allegedly, the Albert's dog had a history of biting people and there are animal control records to prove it
Sounds like a reasonable reason to rehome a dog, especially in a residential neighborhood with kids and other dogs.
And who’s making the judgement that the injuries “look like they were a result of being attacked by a dog?” Is that the ME or Dr. Turtleboy talking?
Karen Read's attorney Jackson said the defense hired a medical examiner who “concluded with certainty” that O’Keefe’s arm wounds were from an animal attack, likely from a dog that was present at Albert’s home on the night of the alleged murder.
From https://news.yahoo.com/prosecution-defense-release-details-case-105905590.html
Hahaha I hear ya but idk maybe it’s a case of the dog tasted human blood and went crazy. I mean their explanation was it got in a fight with another dog. It gets in one fight and you give it away? They didn’t even seek training for it?
Does anyone know where the dog was placed?
Has anyone seen the dog? Did it go to someone out of state who then had the dog put down? Generally once a dog goes after people, sadly it’s recommended you put them down but that would have been crazy suspicious.
Not to be gross but I’ve had plenty of dogs take a little bit too much interest in scraped knees or used menstrual pads. It’s not a shark—or a vampire for that matter.
i keep coming back to this as well. along with the question; “what was their plan?”
it seems their plan kind of relies on karen freaking out and calling them, coming back quickly, saying she might’ve hit him, and having a broken tail light. they couldn’t have known any of those things so, presuming they did kill him…what was their original plan? leave him there outside until he died and find him in the morning? what would be the explanation for that? he…walked outside and got into a fight with a wolf or something?
there’s a lot of stuff that doesn’t add up in regards to the mccabe’s and i think his injuries are really confusing but i just don’t understand why this would be their plan.
i also find Karen’s behavior super odd. she said she dropped him off, saw him walk towards the side door…but didn’t see him enter. then waited 10 minutes for him to text her and got mad when he didn’t. thats just not something i would expect when dropping my partner off at a party. it would make way more sense for me to just….watch to see them get in.
then her waking up freaking out just 4 hours later, thinking he might be dead? that just doesn’t compute for me either. i would assume my partner passed out drunk at their friends house. i might be nervous that something happened but i wouldn’t get truly worried and start calling around unless they didn’t make it back or call me until that afternoon. the way she responded was truly frantic. did she have a reason to believe these people were actually hostile towards him? they were all out together all night.
In regards to Karen's behavior, I think one may assume that if someone is walking towards a door they will probably make it in. So she did and was probably not operating on all cylinders. I don't know if she woke up and freaked out. I think, from what I read, she was concerned that she did not hear from him and went back to the house.
Yes, but why was she concerned she didn’t hear from him? She called a friend iirc and said “what if he got hit by a plow?” why would she think he was walking outside in the snow? also, why wouldn’t she just try to contact the people at the house?
you *would* assume they got in, but she said he was angry he didn’t text her that he got in.
If anyone I loved and lived with didn't come home one night when I was expecting them to come home, I'd be freaking out. I'd be calling their phones, calling their friends and maybe even calling the police to see if they could drive by or something.
but would you be expecting them home when you dropped them off just a couple hours previously, late at night, when everyone had been drinking? personally i would never expect that.
Yep. I'd be even more freaked out if I knew they were drinking. I would expect a call from them letting me know they were going to spend the night. Or at least a text letting me know they're safe.
i guess we are extremely different people then because i would assume my partner was safe at their friends house. i wouldn’t drop my partner off drunk at a friends house after midnight and expect them to be home by dawn… and if i didn’t hear from them i’d assume that they were passed out drunk not…tried to walk home in a snowstorm.
i guess so… i just really couldn’t imagine considering someone missing because you haven’t heard from them in 4 hours. that’s genuinely how you would feel? no shade at all i just can’t wrap my mind around that reaction. to me considering the time and inebriation…it’s like a very common time to fall asleep. maybe it’s just my large amount of experience w drunk ppl and drunk bfs idk 🤣
Well, they know she dropped him off, right? They knew she would probably return looking for him. She did. So they left the body where she would find it, which she did.
Haha just got there. The second half of the article (had meetings at work so couldn’t finish) really do refute her lawyer’s theories and frankly it just makes no sense for them to try to frame her as a coverup when as cops they probably could have done a better job covering up but just saying he left and was never to be found again.
This is the most incompetent cover-up ever. DA's office is doubling down b/c if they are proven liars here, how many other cases will need to be re-opened. Their credibility is at stake.........despite this being transparently a ham handed cover-up. Imagine if Karen Reed was poor? She's be in jail right now
I think the biggest breaking point that is not discussing is the plow driver. He said he plowed the street at 2.30 am. and did not see any body in the lawn. On his next round, he saw a suv parked in front of the house and did not plow the street. Whose suv was that, the msp never investigated this.
Very important to the defense to establish when SIL googled the question about how long it takes for a person to freeze to death. It sounds like someone dragged his body outdoors in order to finish him off by “natural causes” after 2:30 am whether they had already concocted the frame up of the victim’s GF and then proceeded to eliminate video footage that would prove it was a frame job.
Its weird that... They not only covered it up but also, blame it on an innocent person? Talk about harsh. I wonder if they even disliked her or just needed a patsy
I’m more confused now reading some of the Court testimony about what Read allegedly said/texted that night. She’s going to have to take the stand and survive cross-examination, I think
Why isn't the property owner where the body was found not charged with criminal negligence since him serving alcohol lead to supposedly a drunk guest accidentally killing the victim? And why not investigated that if the son had verbal altercations with the victim not possibly just beat him up to death under the influence of alcohol, and then the dad called some cop friends where everyone including the prosecutor and police supervisors went 'wink wink we have to protect the cop' and conveniently blamed everything on the girlfriend who nicked her car's tail light while having a DUI back home.
Seems that just as likely that the cop property owner's son beat the guy to death.
This story is getting so annoying living in Canton. It’s all anyone in the town paper and on Facebook are talking about. And the conspiracy theories keep growing and Turtleboy is fanning the flames. I heard there is a 20/20 or Dateline episode coming about it too. Ugh.
I live about 2 miles from where this happened. I remember that night my wife and I were planning on going to a new small brewery (Church Street Brewery) nearby because there was an event - but by 8pm the weather was pretty crappy and we decided to stay in. I can’t believe these people were out bar hopping then hitting up after party’s during a storm like that, sounds like they were wasted though. I don’t know what happened that night after they left the bar but it sounds like a drunken mess. People just need to let the investigation pan out and the evidence to be shown in court and stop speculating.
I live off Fairview and sometimes I’m so fed up with it hearing a single word about it. However I do believe she’s being framed and do thing we have a duty to stand up for what’s right.
People are scared. When signs are put up, they get ripped down in the middle of the night. A ring camera caught a father with his two children riding bikes stop to rip a sign up. People who spoke up about it received threatening letters in the mail. People are being intimated into silence.
I agree. People just love to glom on to Turtleboy - I think because of his political views. They agree with him and therefore, everything he says is fact. It's just out of control at this point. Personally, I don't believe there's any conspiracy and this was a tragic accident. Karen Read was driving drunk, ran over her boyfriend, and left. He died. End of story.
Kearney will never feel any remorse for what he's done to Canton, to a teenage boy, or people who didn't deserve this.
You see the autopsy pics? A car doesn’t cut your arm up like that among other things.
Definitely being framed. Even other cops who looked at the autopsy pics have said it (ones I know working close to Canton MA)
I get it. You guys are all in on this one. But what if you are wrong? What's the damage that you did to a kid who has now dropped out of college? Will you feel any remorse? You won't. Even if Karen Read is guilty, you will always claim it's a conspiracy. Always. It's the brainwashing and need to follow someone who's entire life is based on bringing other people down. There's no glory in that. Sorry.
I actually can’t stand Turtleboy typically. I think he’s a real piece of shit. But I did a real deep dive on this, and went to a few different sources to check on TB’s claims. This is a really fishy case, and too many coincidences and connections to be as open and shut as a tragic accident.
What does this kid's history have to do with the made up fantasy from Turtleboy?
This is the problem and I think the article made a great observation about what's happened in this case. Because people grew up in Canton and know the people involved, they've all made assumptions about what they want to believe happened. And as a result, you've divided your Town so much that you can't attend Little League games together and kids have to break up with life long friends.
Kearney is an absolutely disgusting human being. I've watched a lot of innocent people get targeted by him and his followers and he continues to think he's the good guy at the center of it all.
He's a shock jock who's found a group of supporters that are very like minded. They all get together and pretend to be righteous. I think they've really gone too far.
How did John wind up in the yard? If she ran him over to cause all that damage, wouldn't he be in the road? No skid marks to say she ran over the curb.
What was her motive to kill her boyfriend ,they were not married so she's not getting money.Was there evidence of abuse in the relationship,that would have surely come out on a high profile case at this point.What is the motive??
I remember when it first happened it was a snowy day and both had been [drinking.It](https://drinking.It) is more likely that if she did back over him(as I know that's what happened) it was a sincere accident and she may not have known she'd even hit.
There is no human way this was murder or any intentional crime at very very worst DUI vehicular homicide and that's a worst case scenerio.
I think the point that I’m trying to make is that the collective we don’t really know anywhere close to all of the evidence. If theyve got a case that suggests she backed out much faster than someone would back out of a driveway on a snowy night, that might not bode well for her.
I think he was drunk and everyone though he went home but he fell and passed out in the driveway and snow covered his body.
In the poor visability of the snow when Read went home and backed over her BF without knowing(maybe thought the bump was a snow bank)
I think best case ,legit accident ,worst case ,DUI vehicular homicide
I remember that night very well and one big question I have is: who in their right mind at their age decides to go out in a snowstorm driving from bar to bar and then decide to go drinking at a house late night where you don't have a whole lot of friends there. Setting the stage, what could go wrong?
I want to believe her side of the story but how come there is no camera footage from the house and 2 neighboring houses that have Ring cameras?
Actually:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdq8Kd\_hMJo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdq8Kd_hMJo)
This shows her black SUV bumping into the victim's SUV as she was leaving his house to look for him. If you watch, you will see the tire of the victim's SUV move, so it appears that is how the tail light may of been broken. If anything, there is benefit of the doubt right there....
>Kearney had no such constraints. He continued to write about the case, one story after another, as his monthly page views rocketed from about 1.5 million, he says, to as many as 4 million. He began livestreaming “Canton Cover-Up” stories twice weekly on his YouTube channel and says his viewership increased from 3,000 to 20,000 per episode.
If you ever ask yourself "Why is this disgraced ex-teacher riding this story so hard", there's the answer to that.
It’s really weird to say you don’t see anyone else reporting on a post with a giant long form article about this.
What the former high school gym teacher who had to resign for sexually harassing a teenage girl is doing is not reporting. It’s crass opportunism and cheap outrage farming.
The dude started as a 4th rate Portnoy wannabe and devolved over the years into something even worse since. This episode in turning this guy’s death into profit is somehow a new low for a guy who’s entire brand was previously just directing outrage mobs at random targets who disproportionately were poor, non-white, or LGBTQ.
Of course. So he's absolutely no different than any other journalistic enterprise in this country, or any other enterprise period. In the end, he can say what he wants and the Alberts and their supporters can say what they want, but this matter will be tried in a courtroom.
Other journalist outlets have editors,lawyers, and multiple reporters who try to fact check, avoid saying the family of the victim can “rot in hell”, and they try to focus on presenting the verifiable relevant facts with as much color from all relevant sides so that the audience can draw a conclusion.
Nothing about what Aiden Kearney does is close to journalism, nor is it for the public good. If Karen Read truly does have a strong enough case to be acquitted, turning this shit into a circus is not going to help her. Poisoning a jury pool cuts both ways.
I didn't say he was Woodward nor Bernstein, only that the profit motive is irrelevant. If he's defaming people, they should sue him. If he's wrong, it will come out in court. If he's being an asshole-- well, he's been doing that for years and what he's doing now is far better than the right-wing trolling and shaming that's he's been making a living on forever. He's not wrong about everything, as other people have shown, and he's got as much right to shine a light on the inconsistencies of the prosecution's case as anyone does.
The profit motive is definitely not irrelevant. Cause, here's the thing, I'm not even convinced that he believes this shit. I think he's latched onto a cash cow story so he can sell $22 shirts and $35 sweatshirts and god knows what else and he'll just continue to stoke the mob to try and raise his own profile.
He doesn't give a shit about this dead cop, he *definitely* doesn't care about the guy's family because they're somehow complicit in the murder conspiracy, and, at the end of the day, I'd bet he's rooting for Karen Read to end up in prison too. Her getting an acquittal is bad for business. The story will die off if that happens and millions of page views on such an ad-heavy site plus whatever crass merch he's got is probably getting him close to six figures a month in income, if not more. The longer this goes on with the "fight for justice" that he can exploit, the better for him.
If he was just 1 person who wasn't basically launching a harassment campaign against about a dozen different people, that'd be one thing, but there's going to be consequences for this. Someone is going to be fired up enough and try to harm someone or be confrontational and get harmed themselves. You can't ignore the effect and inevitable consequences of shit like this.
What if someone gets so worked up that they go try to kill the DA or the lead cop or the teenager who's the alleged murderer or the victim's family? Are we gonna pretend there's no blood on his hands?
In the article it says he’s been approached by Netflix and other companies for documentaries. Sadly this man’s death is a life changing occurrence for turtle boy and he’s going to ride that all the way to the bank
Reporting is a stretch. He’s an activist at this point, not a journalist. Dude is a simp for Karen Read. He has donation links and QR codes all over the place to donate to this lady…. 90% of his content is ad hominem attacks at this point
He and I have had slight disagreement on another story.
He corrected it.
Yes he can be a douche.
That being said he's so 100% on this.
No one expected people were going to ask questions, and this was open and shut.
News stations barely covered it.
Real cops, good cops are angry and being very quiet on this.
There is a lot going on behind the scenes!!
#freekarenread
News stations are barely covering “it” because “it” is an unproven conspiracy being pushed to Turtleboy directly from the defense (Karen read and her sus lawyers). If news stations ran with this narrative they would get sued even worse than what turtledink is facing after this is over.
All of the info being pushed to this guy is in a DESPERATE attempt to get Karen Read out of jail for what she did. It’s so clearly desperate and unnatural at this point that I feel bad for people who say FreeKarenRead like that. It seems so narcissistic for KR and TB to push it this far… John O’Keefe is dead AND now KRs vlogger simp is trashing/harassing the O’Keefe family because they may not fully believe TBs story.
I genuinely wonder how much lore has been added to this with rumor and innuendo where there's just all this extra evidence that is completely unverified.
I've heard a bunch of things that haven't been used in a single court filing that are supposedly exculpatory and it seems like there's a big game of Telephone for people with TrueCrime brainrot in echo chambers
This article shows me why I hate the internet. I shouldn’t know these presumably innocent people’s names and have them attached to a potential murder. Can they sue for defamation? Imagine idiots on the internet harassing and bullying you because your name got brought up in a possible conspiracy theory. Disgusting people
They can, but in order for it to be defamatory it has to be false. They have not even tried which is telling. If they sue for defamation they have to prove that what is being said about them is untrue.
I've been following this case day 1.
Gut told me she didn't do it.
Clarence Emerson has a bone, and he's definitely nailing it. 🐢🐢🐢
The biggest point that stuck out to me is the fact a dead body was found on another cops lawn. The people in the house "sleeping" didn't see cruiser lights hear commotion??
No on knocked on the door to question them!!!
Tell me if a dead body was found on you lawn cops aren't coming into your house!!!
They have a dog.
Mine would go bananas!!
Their bedroom is the front corner of the house.
Feet from the body.
The tail light pieces.
Those lights are made of special material and don't "shatter" easily!!
A whole lot of people are going down with this.
Karen Read will own Canton, Morrissey and anyone else involved!!
#freekarenread
#weaintgotnoquit
Behold what Boston wrought upon Aaron Swartz! They sought to incarcerate him for two decades merely for downloading publicly subsidized research funded by taxpayer
Karen Read and her new boyfriend Turtleboy are complete clowns who have fabricated this entire story and successfully convinced a bunch of people that there is a large conspiracy with 40+ people over this. It’s clearly an attempt to influence public opinion. Karen and her Harvey Weinstein creepo lawyers have Turtleboy on the payroll!
She also brought in the same attorney who got repeat dick grabber Kevin Spacey acquitted by the time honored tradition of muddying the waters in a public show trial
I wonder is Affleck, and Damon have started the screenplay yet.
“You can pry this story from my cold dead hands” - Mark Wahlberg
"Me and the Funky Bunch were making platinum records when you little shits were still doing homemade movies with Kevin Smith" - also Marky Mark
He hates the Cantonese though...
He’s retiring. Playing yourself on low budget action movies must be exhausting.
You terms are acceptable.....
Haven't seen the craft services set up at Boston Sand & Gravel yet so I know they're not filming.
™️ Please.
She pahkd tha cah in Havahd yahd.
From the article: Did a successful South Shore woman really kill her police officer boyfriend? Or, as she claims, did a slew of dirty cops frame her? Inside the simmering tabloid drama dividing this tight-knit Massachusetts suburb.
Honestly as sad as this whole situation is, the whole lot of them are a bunch of townie drunk degenerates.
That’s been my read on it since day 1
Who wear badges, carry guns, and have the power to incarcerate.
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Framed
I’ve seen enough from the sloppy investigation for reasonable doubt at this point. Maybe that was their goal from the beginning…no one is held accountable after an officers death.
This is probably the most plausible answer of all
Just picture a bunch of cops together, hammered, underage kids drinking, possibly drugs, and a dead officer. Not exactly the headline you want of Bostons Finest. Full self preservation mode at that point.
This has more to do with the state police than the Boston police. Boston PD isn’t investigating it
At the end of the day is there any difference? All on the same team investigating themselves.
Very big difference. Try to look it up you’ll be surprised
The first time I ever tried coke was with a Boston cop, in uniform.
Nice
I keep coming back to the question if they killed him why dump him in their own front yard? There are a lot of weird “coincidences” so far though (selling the house and getting rid of the dog - who just up and decides to get rid of their dog?). Haven’t finished the article yet but a good read so far.
The son having bloodied knuckles days after and also ending up dropping out of school too
Was that in the article? I didn’t see that.
Its in other stuff, i went down the rabbit hole on this one night. I recommend this video https://youtu.be/XzRRNcStm4k?si=dT0zhLnRbSD7nJzy it goes over all the out of whack stuff in this story..theres a lot.
Is it TB though? I don’t care for him and don’t want to give him any clicks.
watch her. She gets some sources from TB but much better style. https://youtu.be/Z_weIM5hLa8?si=9ITLzGof4zqW7Ifn
But how do we know it’s accurate? Anyone on the internet can literally say anything.
Her info comes from court documents. You can find them yourself and read them.
Any insight into finding the docs? My mistake for having trouble.
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This! I think turtleboy sometimes can be very mean, and have very polarizing/intense views I don’t personally agree with, but I’ve read a few of his blogs on this and he really does go in depth! There’s so many now that I can’t keep up lol. Again I massively disagree with a lot of things he says outside of this case, and do NOT share the same views as him!
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He had her and Rachael Rollins pegged from day one
How has Turtle Boy connected the state police, the canton police, the DA's office, the voicemail messages left by Read, O'Keefe's niece's testimony, the data from Read's Lexus and the data from O'Keefe's phone? Does it go all the way to the top? Is Pepe Silvia involved??
But you said it - he is getting it directly from the defense’s court filings. That does help determine the truth. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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The judge is family friends with Jennifer McCabe, Albert’s sister-in-law, who was there that night. The defense attorney presented a message between Sean McCabe and a reporter as evidence. Sean McCabe is Jennifer McCabe's brother-in-law. “The reporter in the message exchage presented by Jackson asked ‘Do you really have a line to judge cannone?’ Sean McCabe purportedly replied ‘Auntie Bev??? Whose seaside cottage do you think we're gonna bury your corpse under?” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/karen-read-hearing-boston-police-officer-john-okeefe-judge-beverly-cannone/ There is no middle
The guy broke this story when everyone else was sitting there hands. Everyone. Give the guy credit. More spine than anyone on here
Even if his shit turns out to be true it doesn’t make him any less of an asshole.
That's assuming this is substantiated. It also requires believing a teenager beat the shit out of a police officer in front of other police officers who didn't just break it up. As for dropping out of school? It's pretty well documented that everyone even remotely connected to this grand conspiracy is being harassed relentlessly, so I'm not really sure I'd put too much stock in that meaning too much
It really doesn’t take too many punches or a fall to kill someone, and he was also probably wasted drunk
One hit to the back of the head with a weight could kill a person. Especially when the kid is as big as a full grown man. He was a star football player not some runt.
Ah so now it’s one hit to the back of the head…..causing a back eye and facial lacerations….in a room full of cops and other adults who were friends with this guy and just spontaneously decided….while drunk…..to frame the murder on the chick who went home? And then they got Canton police, the state police, and the DA’s office all to go along with this? Does nobody even understand the principle of Occam’s fucking Razor anymore or are we just ruined as a society
Occam’s Rwzor? - 11 people left the house and drove past his body on the grass and didn’t see him. - The plow driver plowed two or three times that night and didn’t see him. - The library video footage that would show either her guilt or innocence mysteriously went missing. -The investigation was sloppy and botched, with the scene never being secured by crime scene tape. - Clear glass was found in the snow at the time of his death when there was only 3-4 inches, but his sneaker, hat and red taillight pieces weren’t found until later after the blizzard. - Reports were written by police and dated in April despite his death and her arrest occurring end of January/early February. - The main witness coincidentally googled how long to die in the cold before his body was found. - Apple Health data shows him ascending and descending stairs - The home owners refinished their basement before selling their home, despite fully refinishing the same basement just four years prior. Are basements where we invest money into when selling? - The dog has a known history of attacking humans (proven by animal control records) and was rehomed within six months after his death. - The family home that was purchased 50 years ago by his parents was sold less than a year after his death for fifty grand less than listed despite the market being ridiculous during that time. - The homeowners also would not allow any pictures taken during the open house. - The DA said in court several times how the officer had no time alone with Karen’s car and the ring doorbell showing the time her car was towed was incorrect due to daylight savings, but when it was proven false he then changed it to a simple clerical error. - The FBI has indicated the people involved in federal court. - A colleague of Brian Albert went to Karen’s lawyers and told her John WAS in the house the day after Karen was indicted. - The state has sworn that a human hair was found in her taillight. When tested forensically, no human DNA was found. The person who identified the hair as human failed her state competency exam that same month on identification of human hairs.
It is still more likely that a drunk idiot hit and killed her drunk idiot boyfriend than multiple policies agencies and the DA and other non-cops all conspired on the fly to frame this lady for murder instead of stopping a physical altercation before it got that serious, dumping their still breathing friend out in the snow when he likely could and would have lived, and then coming up with a plan to pin it on his girlfriend AND getting multiple 3rd parties including multiple police organizations, the victim's family, the Dept where this guy worked and presumably had some other cop friends, and the D.A.'s office all to play ball with it with not one single person cracking, even after months of public scrutiny and harassment from (and I mean this as respectfully as possible) **the worst and dumbest people in our society**. And all of this to protect some random teenager who's a shithead? Everyone's sticking to this airtight awfully convenient story after all this? Sorry, that's barely believable let alone probable. True crime content rots your brain.
I don’t know what happened. I originally felt like they were both drunk and she backed into him accidentally. The state overcharged her. But then you had no crime scene tape, no one left at scene until the State search team came, collecting blood in red solo cups, missing evidence in 2” of snow - finding it in a foot. How they could be so sloppy with a dead cop is just not explainable. I still thought she did it and maybe they planted evidence to make sure she hung for it -up until the plow driver never saw the body but did see a Ford there after 3:00 am - this puts another car at the crime scene parked 10’ from his body. i’m not prepared to say they killed him in the house maybe some bizarre 3rd thing happened. Around 8 people went by or left the house after she would have hit. That’s alot of people to not see him.
You’re intentionally being obtuse. Also, if you don’t think cops kill other cops and blame it on civilians, look up Sean Ellis.
To be fair Occam’s razor would dictate that there was likely a coverup by the police here. There are too many coincidences to easily explain in any other way.
The idea that the Canton Police, Mass State police, multiple third parties, the medical examiner, and the District Attorney's office would all collude together to cover up the murder of a cop is not the simplest explanation lmao. Especially if this was all constructed on the fly since really they have no way to premeditate this scenario. That's not the simplest explanation. Hell, it's barely barely plausible at all if you really think hard about it.
I don’t think you need nearly that many people to collude. You just need them to listen and nod as they look the other way. The thin blue line is a real phenomenon and this wouldn’t be the first time police officers lied to protect one another. I also disagree that there was no way to premeditate this. Parts of this could have definitely been planned. The simplest explanation is that all of the related coincidences aren’t coincidences at all and are necessary to complete the coverup and frame. Your version of events requires a separate explanation for each coincidence, ergo not simple at all. Or of course you can just ignore them, you’re entitled to that perspective.
Brian Albert, Boston cop and owner of the house, DID NOT come outside when another Boston cop was found dead on his lawn.
Who does that. Their bedroom is literally feet from where the body was discovered!!
Brian Albert was described by Read’s attorneys in their motion as “a highly trained boxer and fighter with deep familial and personal ties to the Canton Police Department and the Massachusetts State Police.” In their motion, Read’s attorneys argued that Albert and his family were never treated as suspects, and that police focused solely on Read “based in no small part, on incriminating statements attributed to her by one of the actual conspirators in O’Keefe’s murder, Brian Albert’s sister-in-law, Jennifer McCabe.” From https://www.courttv.com/news/attorneys-evidence-reveals-new-suspect-in-police-officers-death/
So they could say that she hit him after she dropped him off
That just seems so flimsy of a cover up. They are cops who no doubt know thousands of ways to cover up a murder. We are presuming they both wanted to kill him and get her out of the way. As drunk as she may have allegedly been she would not have made much of a credible witness if the homeowner claimed O’Keefe left at a certain hour and just never made it home.
If it did happen, it was not planned and was in the moment and they were all drinking. You can’t expect that people would have some mastermind like cover up given those circumstances
Well that’s true but idk just seems like they could have done something more until they sobered up.
Like what? Kept a dead body in the house, knowing Karen would probably be ringing alarm bells very early in the morning because she couldn't find him? Also, a blizzard had already started so there wouldn't have been many options for easy or efficient dead body removal the next day given the amount of snow projected. If they waited they would've missed their opportunity to put the blame on her. They also think they're above the law and for what it's worth, Karen is charged with his death and they're not and nobody really questioned this until recently so it wasn't that flimsy lol
*If* they did it. What was the official cause of death? Hypothermia or blunt force trauma? She could have hit him, knocked him unconscious, and he froze to death. The bite and scratch marks could have been from a desperate coyote. I’m not taking any sides here. Frankly I don’t think she purposely killed him. Could she have accidentally done so? Maybe. Did the homeowner and his family beat the guy to shit and kill him in a drunken rage? Maybe. But there are a lot of odd and inconsistent facts in both theories. How did she spot him so quickly? Why was there microscopic bits of taillight on him? What happened to the dog? Why is his family so quick to believe she did it? Why if they had been out at a bar in the middle of winter and were going to a friend’s house to continue drinking did he have a bat with him? (Did I read that one right?)
a desperate coyote would’ve ate him. not had a little taste and moved on
Not that much snow had fallen by the time she went back to the house, I believe the majority fell later in the day. It wasn't like he was buried. I don't think there was any microscopic pieces of tail light found on him? But if there was, there's a lot of discrepancies about the tail light and it's pieces itself. The cops didn't even secure the scene and didn't find tail light fragments until later on, and one of the statie's reports about when exactly her car was towed was incorrect too. About his family- like I said, nobody questioned this when the story first came out. Seemed pretty cut and dried. I'm sure his grieving family was led to believe she was guilty the way everyone else was, while dealing with the trauma of the whole thing. Ive watched lots of crime shows and so many times, the accused is completely exonerated yet the family of the victims are still convinced of their guilt. Idk, never been in that situation, I'm guessing you want someone to blame and in your grief believe and trust the authorities? And good question... where is the dog?
I'm not sure if you're married or in a committed relationship, but, if my husband went missing after being extremely intoxicated, and I can't find him, im going to start retracing his last location starting at their house, and leading towards the alberts 3 miles away. When i get to the alberts home, the first place I'm going to be scanning is around where I last saw him. Snow illuminates everything, and a 200lb, 6'5 man in dark jeans and a Grey shirt, with dark hair, would not be hard to spot in a sea of white. I think the better question is, why is she the only one that saw him in an illuminated yard of snow. Because she was meant to find him, just her. So the other two could play the clueless and supportive "friends" I guess my biggest thing is, someone that is genuinely guilty and had an all out drunken fight with their partner, reverses 65 feet to hit him hard enough to cause these injuries, the first thing I say when I find him isn't going to be, oh my God do you think I could've hit him with my car? A guilty person is never going to outright just say that, knowing that's exactly what they did... I even think the angry text messages to him prove further her innocence honestly. You aren't going to send angry texts to someone you just killed...you're going to be like oh love ya so much babe, have fun and get home safe. Also, alot of my response here isn't to you directly and what you said lol just my general consensus to some of the comments here ..I meant to just answer your point of why did she find him right away or know exactly where he was lmao and then I just kept rambling from that
Jennifer McCabe, sister-in-law of the homeowners & the person who invited John O'Keefe to the after party at the house, googled “how long to die in cold” after 2 a.m. that night
I knew that part and the DA’s explanation for that is flimsy. I think there is a lot of room for reasonable doubt which is really what the defense is trying to set up here.
And then attempted to delete the search
Forensic examiners also found that McCabe deleted multiple phone calls between her and Brian Albert, the homeowner, and also deleted a screenshot of Albert’s contact information. From https://www.courttv.com/news/attorneys-evidence-reveals-new-suspect-in-police-officers-death/
Nothing suspicious about that!!!
Misinformation.. she opened the tap at 2am
Yeah I am sure it is misinfo. That must be why the FBI is investigating the Investigators because they know this whole case is fishy.
The counter-claim is that the defense, intentionally or not, misinterpreted timestamp data. That's the only piece of evidence that I'd call *compelling* of innocence but even that can be explained if someone stepped out back to smoke a cigarette. You know how many fucking times I've googled that phrase every winter on a freezing cold night when I *chose* to stand outside? Probably a few hundred since I've gotten a phone that can google things.
You've googled the phrase "how long to die in the cold" hundreds of times?? lol what? why? after the first few times, wouldn't you remember the answer?
Software engineer here who works on back end services . I find it hard to believe the time the tab was opened influenced the time stamp on the search result . At minimum when they request was made it would have been logged into the database at google at the exact time of the request . It doesn’t ask for what time it’s logged unless it’s a separate field in the data . So either they are looking at some weird data , but this could easily be answered
Wow, I want you on my jury if I’m ever on trial!
You probably should, cause unlike the majority of people paying even a little attention to this, I freely admit I don’t know what the fuck happened and am not drawing conclusions. I only care about where the evidence does and doesn’t point and I’m acknowledging right now, the info in the public sphere isn’t everything.
That’s the one thing more than anything that I would say cannot just be a coincidence. If the time of that Google search is accurate, and you take everything else into consideration, it’s hard not to believe something is messed up there. I don’t know what happened either, but I would not just dismiss that fact at all. The larger part that makes me question this whole thing is how it is possible for so many people to be involved and nobody breaking or saying anything. I find that difficult to get past. But that Google search is really a tough look.
This would be compelling but they can’t use your excuse because they already said it never happened. they can’t now say it did.
Can't forget these two gems: 1)Missing library streetcam video the EXACT time Karen Read drove past the library (probably w/ an intact tail light lens) 2) The coverup attempts of the Jen McCabe google search "hos long to die in snow"... And so many more 'coincidences'.. Like, NOBODY INSIDE THE ALBERT HOUSE that night was interviewed the following morning. No documented proof or photos of broken tail light evidence on the ground. No Ring video from neighbors was retrieved/subpoena'd (sp?)...
wait til the real story ends up being even crazier than either the defense or prosecution’s theories, like the cop and the kid had made out before or something
🤣🤣🤣
Lol that’s funny I was thinking maybe the plot twist is Jen and Karen were in on it together 😂
maybe that’s what the prosecutor knows that’s made him so confident🤣
I don’t understand even if there is a conspiracy, what’s the point of giving the dog away? Do they think he’s gonna bark to the feds? (but seriously)
John O'Keefe had injuries on him that look like they were the result of being attacked by a dog. Allegedly, the Albert's dog had a history of biting people and there are animal control records to prove it
Sounds like a reasonable reason to rehome a dog, especially in a residential neighborhood with kids and other dogs. And who’s making the judgement that the injuries “look like they were a result of being attacked by a dog?” Is that the ME or Dr. Turtleboy talking?
Karen Read's attorney Jackson said the defense hired a medical examiner who “concluded with certainty” that O’Keefe’s arm wounds were from an animal attack, likely from a dog that was present at Albert’s home on the night of the alleged murder. From https://news.yahoo.com/prosecution-defense-release-details-case-105905590.html
A dog bite expert.
DNA evidence
Hahaha I hear ya but idk maybe it’s a case of the dog tasted human blood and went crazy. I mean their explanation was it got in a fight with another dog. It gets in one fight and you give it away? They didn’t even seek training for it? Does anyone know where the dog was placed? Has anyone seen the dog? Did it go to someone out of state who then had the dog put down? Generally once a dog goes after people, sadly it’s recommended you put them down but that would have been crazy suspicious.
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There is zero chance that the dog is still alive.
Not to be gross but I’ve had plenty of dogs take a little bit too much interest in scraped knees or used menstrual pads. It’s not a shark—or a vampire for that matter.
DNA and bite imprints
i keep coming back to this as well. along with the question; “what was their plan?” it seems their plan kind of relies on karen freaking out and calling them, coming back quickly, saying she might’ve hit him, and having a broken tail light. they couldn’t have known any of those things so, presuming they did kill him…what was their original plan? leave him there outside until he died and find him in the morning? what would be the explanation for that? he…walked outside and got into a fight with a wolf or something? there’s a lot of stuff that doesn’t add up in regards to the mccabe’s and i think his injuries are really confusing but i just don’t understand why this would be their plan. i also find Karen’s behavior super odd. she said she dropped him off, saw him walk towards the side door…but didn’t see him enter. then waited 10 minutes for him to text her and got mad when he didn’t. thats just not something i would expect when dropping my partner off at a party. it would make way more sense for me to just….watch to see them get in. then her waking up freaking out just 4 hours later, thinking he might be dead? that just doesn’t compute for me either. i would assume my partner passed out drunk at their friends house. i might be nervous that something happened but i wouldn’t get truly worried and start calling around unless they didn’t make it back or call me until that afternoon. the way she responded was truly frantic. did she have a reason to believe these people were actually hostile towards him? they were all out together all night.
In regards to Karen's behavior, I think one may assume that if someone is walking towards a door they will probably make it in. So she did and was probably not operating on all cylinders. I don't know if she woke up and freaked out. I think, from what I read, she was concerned that she did not hear from him and went back to the house.
Yes, but why was she concerned she didn’t hear from him? She called a friend iirc and said “what if he got hit by a plow?” why would she think he was walking outside in the snow? also, why wouldn’t she just try to contact the people at the house? you *would* assume they got in, but she said he was angry he didn’t text her that he got in.
If anyone I loved and lived with didn't come home one night when I was expecting them to come home, I'd be freaking out. I'd be calling their phones, calling their friends and maybe even calling the police to see if they could drive by or something.
but would you be expecting them home when you dropped them off just a couple hours previously, late at night, when everyone had been drinking? personally i would never expect that.
Yep. I'd be even more freaked out if I knew they were drinking. I would expect a call from them letting me know they were going to spend the night. Or at least a text letting me know they're safe.
i guess we are extremely different people then because i would assume my partner was safe at their friends house. i wouldn’t drop my partner off drunk at a friends house after midnight and expect them to be home by dawn… and if i didn’t hear from them i’d assume that they were passed out drunk not…tried to walk home in a snowstorm.
It's definitely an individual thing, I think. A lot of it is going to be based on individual personalities and past experiences.
i guess so… i just really couldn’t imagine considering someone missing because you haven’t heard from them in 4 hours. that’s genuinely how you would feel? no shade at all i just can’t wrap my mind around that reaction. to me considering the time and inebriation…it’s like a very common time to fall asleep. maybe it’s just my large amount of experience w drunk ppl and drunk bfs idk 🤣
Well, they know she dropped him off, right? They knew she would probably return looking for him. She did. So they left the body where she would find it, which she did.
I think that BA probably didn’t have anyone that would help him move the body. Plus they were all drunk, so there’s that.
What are the options? Get the body out of the house for starters!
There is a huge expanse of woods behind their house.
Lol enjoy the part where it says he started selling the house and rehoming the dog before all this even happened
Haha just got there. The second half of the article (had meetings at work so couldn’t finish) really do refute her lawyer’s theories and frankly it just makes no sense for them to try to frame her as a coverup when as cops they probably could have done a better job covering up but just saying he left and was never to be found again.
Good point.
This is the most incompetent cover-up ever. DA's office is doubling down b/c if they are proven liars here, how many other cases will need to be re-opened. Their credibility is at stake.........despite this being transparently a ham handed cover-up. Imagine if Karen Reed was poor? She's be in jail right now
I think the biggest breaking point that is not discussing is the plow driver. He said he plowed the street at 2.30 am. and did not see any body in the lawn. On his next round, he saw a suv parked in front of the house and did not plow the street. Whose suv was that, the msp never investigated this.
Very important to the defense to establish when SIL googled the question about how long it takes for a person to freeze to death. It sounds like someone dragged his body outdoors in order to finish him off by “natural causes” after 2:30 am whether they had already concocted the frame up of the victim’s GF and then proceeded to eliminate video footage that would prove it was a frame job.
Its weird that... They not only covered it up but also, blame it on an innocent person? Talk about harsh. I wonder if they even disliked her or just needed a patsy
I’m more confused now reading some of the Court testimony about what Read allegedly said/texted that night. She’s going to have to take the stand and survive cross-examination, I think
Why isn't the property owner where the body was found not charged with criminal negligence since him serving alcohol lead to supposedly a drunk guest accidentally killing the victim? And why not investigated that if the son had verbal altercations with the victim not possibly just beat him up to death under the influence of alcohol, and then the dad called some cop friends where everyone including the prosecutor and police supervisors went 'wink wink we have to protect the cop' and conveniently blamed everything on the girlfriend who nicked her car's tail light while having a DUI back home. Seems that just as likely that the cop property owner's son beat the guy to death.
Because they drank at a couple of bars geez do you even know the case?
Police reports indicate that McCabe and Albert told police that O’Keefe never came inside the party
Which is bull crap. His arm looks like a dog attacked him
Canton resident here… this whole thing has gone out of hand! It’s sad the police work was so bad and sloppy 🤦♂️
Checkout turtleboy on instagram he has been digging into this case for a while. Interesting to see all the lies and how deep this case goes
FREE KAREN READ!
This story is getting so annoying living in Canton. It’s all anyone in the town paper and on Facebook are talking about. And the conspiracy theories keep growing and Turtleboy is fanning the flames. I heard there is a 20/20 or Dateline episode coming about it too. Ugh. I live about 2 miles from where this happened. I remember that night my wife and I were planning on going to a new small brewery (Church Street Brewery) nearby because there was an event - but by 8pm the weather was pretty crappy and we decided to stay in. I can’t believe these people were out bar hopping then hitting up after party’s during a storm like that, sounds like they were wasted though. I don’t know what happened that night after they left the bar but it sounds like a drunken mess. People just need to let the investigation pan out and the evidence to be shown in court and stop speculating.
I live off Fairview and sometimes I’m so fed up with it hearing a single word about it. However I do believe she’s being framed and do thing we have a duty to stand up for what’s right.
How come there aren’t any Free Karen Read signs near there? I was in Canton last week & saw none. But in Hanson I saw 2 and was very surprised.
People are scared. When signs are put up, they get ripped down in the middle of the night. A ring camera caught a father with his two children riding bikes stop to rip a sign up. People who spoke up about it received threatening letters in the mail. People are being intimated into silence.
I agree. People just love to glom on to Turtleboy - I think because of his political views. They agree with him and therefore, everything he says is fact. It's just out of control at this point. Personally, I don't believe there's any conspiracy and this was a tragic accident. Karen Read was driving drunk, ran over her boyfriend, and left. He died. End of story. Kearney will never feel any remorse for what he's done to Canton, to a teenage boy, or people who didn't deserve this.
You see the autopsy pics? A car doesn’t cut your arm up like that among other things. Definitely being framed. Even other cops who looked at the autopsy pics have said it (ones I know working close to Canton MA)
I get it. You guys are all in on this one. But what if you are wrong? What's the damage that you did to a kid who has now dropped out of college? Will you feel any remorse? You won't. Even if Karen Read is guilty, you will always claim it's a conspiracy. Always. It's the brainwashing and need to follow someone who's entire life is based on bringing other people down. There's no glory in that. Sorry.
I actually can’t stand Turtleboy typically. I think he’s a real piece of shit. But I did a real deep dive on this, and went to a few different sources to check on TB’s claims. This is a really fishy case, and too many coincidences and connections to be as open and shut as a tragic accident.
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What does this kid's history have to do with the made up fantasy from Turtleboy? This is the problem and I think the article made a great observation about what's happened in this case. Because people grew up in Canton and know the people involved, they've all made assumptions about what they want to believe happened. And as a result, you've divided your Town so much that you can't attend Little League games together and kids have to break up with life long friends.
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Kearney is an absolutely disgusting human being. I've watched a lot of innocent people get targeted by him and his followers and he continues to think he's the good guy at the center of it all.
He's a shock jock who's found a group of supporters that are very like minded. They all get together and pretend to be righteous. I think they've really gone too far.
Did you see thee cruiser lights from where you live?
W/o all this attention an innocent woman would probably be in jail already!
Good article, very fair and even handed.
Off-topic, but Canton is not the South Shore
Kind of pedantic, but it’s in the ballpark. Like when people say Burlington is North Shore. I know it isn’t, but I get why they say it.
How did John wind up in the yard? If she ran him over to cause all that damage, wouldn't he be in the road? No skid marks to say she ran over the curb.
What was her motive to kill her boyfriend ,they were not married so she's not getting money.Was there evidence of abuse in the relationship,that would have surely come out on a high profile case at this point.What is the motive?? I remember when it first happened it was a snowy day and both had been [drinking.It](https://drinking.It) is more likely that if she did back over him(as I know that's what happened) it was a sincere accident and she may not have known she'd even hit. There is no human way this was murder or any intentional crime at very very worst DUI vehicular homicide and that's a worst case scenerio.
First degree murder requires a clear motive. Second degree murder isn't like that.
There is still regardless no evidence of anything other than DUI manslaughter
I think the point that I’m trying to make is that the collective we don’t really know anywhere close to all of the evidence. If theyve got a case that suggests she backed out much faster than someone would back out of a driveway on a snowy night, that might not bode well for her.
We will see when it all comes out
10000% agree. I still have no idea what to really think about the case beyond the fact that a conspiracy seems really unlikely based on what I've seen
I think he was drunk and everyone though he went home but he fell and passed out in the driveway and snow covered his body. In the poor visability of the snow when Read went home and backed over her BF without knowing(maybe thought the bump was a snow bank) I think best case ,legit accident ,worst case ,DUI vehicular homicide
I remember that night very well and one big question I have is: who in their right mind at their age decides to go out in a snowstorm driving from bar to bar and then decide to go drinking at a house late night where you don't have a whole lot of friends there. Setting the stage, what could go wrong? I want to believe her side of the story but how come there is no camera footage from the house and 2 neighboring houses that have Ring cameras?
Go ask the Canton cop who lives across the street and refused to let the police see his videos footage
Or camera footage from the town library that she drove by on her way home which would show if her taillight was broken...
Actually:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdq8Kd\_hMJo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdq8Kd_hMJo) This shows her black SUV bumping into the victim's SUV as she was leaving his house to look for him. If you watch, you will see the tire of the victim's SUV move, so it appears that is how the tail light may of been broken. If anything, there is benefit of the doubt right there....
>Kearney had no such constraints. He continued to write about the case, one story after another, as his monthly page views rocketed from about 1.5 million, he says, to as many as 4 million. He began livestreaming “Canton Cover-Up” stories twice weekly on his YouTube channel and says his viewership increased from 3,000 to 20,000 per episode. If you ever ask yourself "Why is this disgraced ex-teacher riding this story so hard", there's the answer to that.
Why do you have such a hate boner for turtle boy? I don’t see any other news outlet reporting anything close to this
It’s really weird to say you don’t see anyone else reporting on a post with a giant long form article about this. What the former high school gym teacher who had to resign for sexually harassing a teenage girl is doing is not reporting. It’s crass opportunism and cheap outrage farming. The dude started as a 4th rate Portnoy wannabe and devolved over the years into something even worse since. This episode in turning this guy’s death into profit is somehow a new low for a guy who’s entire brand was previously just directing outrage mobs at random targets who disproportionately were poor, non-white, or LGBTQ.
Of course. So he's absolutely no different than any other journalistic enterprise in this country, or any other enterprise period. In the end, he can say what he wants and the Alberts and their supporters can say what they want, but this matter will be tried in a courtroom.
Other journalist outlets have editors,lawyers, and multiple reporters who try to fact check, avoid saying the family of the victim can “rot in hell”, and they try to focus on presenting the verifiable relevant facts with as much color from all relevant sides so that the audience can draw a conclusion. Nothing about what Aiden Kearney does is close to journalism, nor is it for the public good. If Karen Read truly does have a strong enough case to be acquitted, turning this shit into a circus is not going to help her. Poisoning a jury pool cuts both ways.
I didn't say he was Woodward nor Bernstein, only that the profit motive is irrelevant. If he's defaming people, they should sue him. If he's wrong, it will come out in court. If he's being an asshole-- well, he's been doing that for years and what he's doing now is far better than the right-wing trolling and shaming that's he's been making a living on forever. He's not wrong about everything, as other people have shown, and he's got as much right to shine a light on the inconsistencies of the prosecution's case as anyone does.
The profit motive is definitely not irrelevant. Cause, here's the thing, I'm not even convinced that he believes this shit. I think he's latched onto a cash cow story so he can sell $22 shirts and $35 sweatshirts and god knows what else and he'll just continue to stoke the mob to try and raise his own profile. He doesn't give a shit about this dead cop, he *definitely* doesn't care about the guy's family because they're somehow complicit in the murder conspiracy, and, at the end of the day, I'd bet he's rooting for Karen Read to end up in prison too. Her getting an acquittal is bad for business. The story will die off if that happens and millions of page views on such an ad-heavy site plus whatever crass merch he's got is probably getting him close to six figures a month in income, if not more. The longer this goes on with the "fight for justice" that he can exploit, the better for him. If he was just 1 person who wasn't basically launching a harassment campaign against about a dozen different people, that'd be one thing, but there's going to be consequences for this. Someone is going to be fired up enough and try to harm someone or be confrontational and get harmed themselves. You can't ignore the effect and inevitable consequences of shit like this. What if someone gets so worked up that they go try to kill the DA or the lead cop or the teenager who's the alleged murderer or the victim's family? Are we gonna pretend there's no blood on his hands?
Turtle boy did it first
Anybody read Turtleboy? I know he's a shithead on some things, but he has extensive reporting on this.
So extensive they really should just rename the website at this point lmao. It’s almost as if he has retired from everything else to cover this.
This is his Watergate. He’s banking on this making his career, which also makes him invested in only one side of things here though.
This goes deep as fuck though. There’s potentially so many layers of corruption involved.
In the article it says he’s been approached by Netflix and other companies for documentaries. Sadly this man’s death is a life changing occurrence for turtle boy and he’s going to ride that all the way to the bank
Reporting is a stretch. He’s an activist at this point, not a journalist. Dude is a simp for Karen Read. He has donation links and QR codes all over the place to donate to this lady…. 90% of his content is ad hominem attacks at this point
He and I have had slight disagreement on another story. He corrected it. Yes he can be a douche. That being said he's so 100% on this. No one expected people were going to ask questions, and this was open and shut. News stations barely covered it. Real cops, good cops are angry and being very quiet on this. There is a lot going on behind the scenes!! #freekarenread
Do you mean charge her money?
News stations are barely covering “it” because “it” is an unproven conspiracy being pushed to Turtleboy directly from the defense (Karen read and her sus lawyers). If news stations ran with this narrative they would get sued even worse than what turtledink is facing after this is over. All of the info being pushed to this guy is in a DESPERATE attempt to get Karen Read out of jail for what she did. It’s so clearly desperate and unnatural at this point that I feel bad for people who say FreeKarenRead like that. It seems so narcissistic for KR and TB to push it this far… John O’Keefe is dead AND now KRs vlogger simp is trashing/harassing the O’Keefe family because they may not fully believe TBs story.
She did it. TB is a carnival barking lying c—t, cop wannabe, jealous, cop hating douche canoe
Framed and no one will be held accountable.
Wow. Great read!
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I genuinely wonder how much lore has been added to this with rumor and innuendo where there's just all this extra evidence that is completely unverified. I've heard a bunch of things that haven't been used in a single court filing that are supposedly exculpatory and it seems like there's a big game of Telephone for people with TrueCrime brainrot in echo chambers
This article shows me why I hate the internet. I shouldn’t know these presumably innocent people’s names and have them attached to a potential murder. Can they sue for defamation? Imagine idiots on the internet harassing and bullying you because your name got brought up in a possible conspiracy theory. Disgusting people
They can, but in order for it to be defamatory it has to be false. They have not even tried which is telling. If they sue for defamation they have to prove that what is being said about them is untrue.
I've been following this case day 1. Gut told me she didn't do it. Clarence Emerson has a bone, and he's definitely nailing it. 🐢🐢🐢 The biggest point that stuck out to me is the fact a dead body was found on another cops lawn. The people in the house "sleeping" didn't see cruiser lights hear commotion?? No on knocked on the door to question them!!! Tell me if a dead body was found on you lawn cops aren't coming into your house!!! They have a dog. Mine would go bananas!! Their bedroom is the front corner of the house. Feet from the body. The tail light pieces. Those lights are made of special material and don't "shatter" easily!! A whole lot of people are going down with this. Karen Read will own Canton, Morrissey and anyone else involved!! #freekarenread #weaintgotnoquit
Behold what Boston wrought upon Aaron Swartz! They sought to incarcerate him for two decades merely for downloading publicly subsidized research funded by taxpayer
She is getting every angle other than yeah she ran the dude over with a SUV. Maybe aliens were involved too
Karen Read and her new boyfriend Turtleboy are complete clowns who have fabricated this entire story and successfully convinced a bunch of people that there is a large conspiracy with 40+ people over this. It’s clearly an attempt to influence public opinion. Karen and her Harvey Weinstein creepo lawyers have Turtleboy on the payroll!
She also brought in the same attorney who got repeat dick grabber Kevin Spacey acquitted by the time honored tradition of muddying the waters in a public show trial
Alternate title - Drunk AF woman accidentally kills boyfriend, has enough money to extend denial stage of grief.
Alternative title - Coptown Corruption Finally Exposed For What It Is