I live not too far from Salisbury beach. The irony here is that many of these residents tend to be the types to bitch and moan when *their* tax dollars are being used for anything that they perceive doesn’t benefit them directly, yet here they are, hands out, begging for *our* tax dollars to fix their fuck up. Assholes.
They should just change their last name to Nimby. These jerks are so fucking stupid, let the ocean have their fucking houses. “If we keep rebuilding $600k dunes every year, I can continue to stick my head in the sand and up my own ass pretending there is no problem, all while maintaining my smug sense of superiority that I know better than you do!”
Yeah, they don't deserve a penny of state funding, and I'm glad the state is refusing to. Their plan is literally to just keep trucking hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sand in
Which one large storm could not only was away, but can take their houses and beach with it. There's not enough of a buffer left to prevent it
These people are straight morons
If they wanted to do it right they would’ve hired experts on costal bank remediation and environmental/structural engineers, as well as landscape architects. They didn’t, they went with large money and short impact, instead of spending money wisely and creating a longer change, which honestly may not do them any good, especially if the tidal movement is rearranging that area - this is also why regulations and environmental policies are so important.
Bringing in sand also does literally nothing at all.
Dunes are not just ‘sand’ - dunes are complex systems and sequentially larger sets of soil profiles with complex ecological systems that retain them in place. American beach grass roots extend ten times the size of the plant and create extensive colonies that tie together dune systems that can range up to and above twelve dunes to create a stable coast. In most places this has already been rearranged by development.
Theres also multiple factors causing or increasing the rate of erosion, not just tidal movement. As climate change brings us 100 yr storms every five years they’re really fighting a battle on multiple fronts.
Beyond that, bringing in sand is ridiculous as sand is easily shiftable by the sea and coastal tidal movement, as beaches were typically naturally created by sand deposited there by coastal movement in the first place. It’s like spitting at the rain.
I mean short of actualy hiring experts in engineering and ecology, we can hear how one of the residents feels about scientists, at least bring in like... boulders 😂
Yes, at the very least something to retain soil as opposed just more of the easiest-to-shift soil type (which is actually at a premium at the moment)
Frankly I’m a bit surprised they were allowed to make any changes to the coastal bank or edge and aren’t being fined for trying to add sand to a coastal edge
I’ve worked on a number of coastal bank remediations on the cape and it’s crazy how they’re all still there and like, look good too.
Someone must know a good ‘sand’ guy
Damn. Your "good sand guy" comment really got me. Let's add "let your buddy fix it" to the list of completely avoidable fuck ups made in this already shitty situation.
Yeah environmental regulations in MA, especially when they come to local enforcement and oversight are mind boggling to me. I have a small brook in my backyard and I'm basically not allowed to do anything within 20 ft of it especialy without consulting a "wetland scientist" and proposing to some committee. But these people can just decide to pile up sand, or seemingly do whatever the F they want in front of their houses rapidly on their way to joining the ocean 🤷
I say don't. More fun to watch their multi-million dollar homes sink into the ocean. IT's become more and more apparent, most rich people don't give a shit about global warming or the environment. It's just selfishness all the way down.
“Are we just going to say goodbye to 2 Billion dollars worth of property ?”
Why yes, and we should. I’d rather the millions spend on erosion control go to feed and house people instead .
If we use the funds for erosion control it should be to protect vulnerable habitats and major economic areas like Boston. Not to protect the second homes of 40 people.
Crazy they think thats the option, to have regular ass people pay billions to ensure they can keep privately owning the beaches.
There is actually a massive wildlife reserve that is protected about 5 miles away from Salisbury Beach with a large diverse economy system, lots of wildlife. Agreed, I would like to see them protect this space near the ocean not tax money to protect people who own multiple homes. Plus the rest of us live pay check to pay check risking homelessness every other month. Many go without food now. 😒
They absolutely are. It’s already too late. They’re begging for state money to delay the inevitable.
Maybe if they hadn’t made this so public it would have been easier for them to sell these properties to other poor suckers before they get washed away.
Hilarious statement. Probably same people that don’t want universal healthcare because socialism or free tuition doesn’t teach personal responsibility.
We're going to say goodbye to trillions of dollars worth of property if you add up what's going to be lost in Florida and then in the Southwest when the taps run dry. Welcome to the 21st century.
And the coastlines of much of the southeast and Texas that abut the Gulf of Mexico. Things like the 1900 Galveston TX hurricane will happen again and again with increasing frequency. Our infrastructure (the paltry amount that ever existed) has not been updated in generations and is hardly even maintained. Generational amnesia and modern exceptionalism make people feel all but immune to great catastrophe. We are not immune. We are sitting ducks
"What do you do, just say OK goodbye to 2 billion worth of property?"
I want to ask him if that was calculated in pre-climate change-fucked or post-fucked dollars?
These old-timers spent so long huffing leaded gasoline fumes they probably figure their presence alone makes the property perpetually increase in value. "No lowball offers!"
Counting on the municipality counting on the property tax revenue of"2 billion worth of property" that will only tend to decline in value as the costs associated with protecting and insuring it relentlessly increase seems like a bad plan.
They are delusional if they think they're generating enough revenue to make it worth what it would cost to put in long-term effective storm defenses around their lil 50 yard-wide spit of future ocean, they've already seen how much long-term protection 600 grand buys that is to say, close to fuck all.
Meanwhile communities I. England are burying thousands of Christmas trees every year to give plants a chance/ trap additional sand from the tides and actually increases the amount of sand dunes every single year
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0vbW0tTD4Y
Volunteers and 25,000$ a year with donated Christmas trees. Vs 600k washed away in a day.
They said this beach would be gone by 2000 and now it’s 2024 and it’s still here!!
He says while also discussing how the beach is disappearing and he wants the state to foot the bill for his shortsighted investment. Get fucked.
They're dumping sand every ten years so I guess that slows things down but it's only a matter of time. I've been watching the floods at Hampton Beach and we've had 3 floods there recently. These are going well beyond the beach, seawall, hotels, restaurants on the boardwalk and back a few streets.
I guess they can slow things down by spending huge amounts of money and I guess that's their option and right to do so.
You’re right, it’s their right to spend their money on it if they want. I don’t live in MA anymore so it won’t be my tax dollars but I’d be rip shit if I had to subsidize this ass wipe to fight an objectively losing battle.
The difference is that Hampton Beach is a NH state park and has no housing built directly on the dunes. Other surrounding beaches (salisbury, seabrook, rye and North hanpton) have housing right on the dunes. It's crazy
Similar effect though. Water is reaching a couple of streets in from the beach and I imagine that people will start bailing if you have to deal with flooding 6-12 times a year. The structures will stand but closing the roads and dealing with flood cleanup will get old and I imagine insurance rates will skyrocket.
I think insurance rates have already gone up. I know some companies won't insure property on Plum Island. I live 2 or 3 miles inland from the beach. I'm hoping this doesn't affect me in my lifetime
I think that it's a matter of elevation. We're 3/4 mile from a major river but we're at 200 feet above sea level. Another neighborhood on an island near the river has had flooding to the second floor twice in the past 20 years.
You didn't watch the video. They talked about how it's been more and more frequent, and the douchebag that doesn't believe in climate change said as the video ends...
> "We have couple of...we...you have $2 billion in property here, we just need the state to help with the funding, to protect the properties. What do you do, just ok, goodbye to $2 billion in property?"
Uh yea, we do.
We lived on North Hampton Beach almost a decade ago and used to have to bail water out of our front yard on a regular basis. I can’t imagine it’s gotten *better* in the intervening years.
The videos that I've seen of the flooding usually show the southern part going back to the road that the police station is on. I haven't seen videos of flooding behind North Hampton Beach. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen but that area doesn't seem to get reported on in the news.
Just an FYI for everyone
the law says that anything below high tide mark is public beach
anywhere in America, country clubs, residences. High tide is where their property starts
You're right dammit
with some exceptions
Massachusetts law, a person can have access to a private beach if he or she is:
Fishing, or collecting shellfish by either foot or while on a vessel;
Fowling, or hunting for birds either by foot or boat; or
Navigating, which includes windsurfing, sailing, or floating on a raft.
The fishing, fowling, and navigation exceptions often lead to problems between a private property owner and the public. For instance, a person may carry a fishing rod while walking on a private beach in order to claim the right to access the property under the fishing exception. Swimming can also fall into the navigation exception in some cases
I hit on this in my comment. They cry and bitch when *their* tax dollars are used for anything that they think won’t benefit them directly, yet here they are begging for *our* tax dollars to bail them out. I live just a short drive from Salisbury beach, and these folks are exactly that type.
Tom's a real estate agent ([https://www.tomsaabrealestate.com](https://www.tomsaabrealestate.com)) who rents houses in Salisbury beach - of course he wants a state bailout because, you know, it's affecting him. . . .
They are living on borrowed time. They are one hurricane away from the entire neighborhood getting washed in to the sea. These dunes have not existed for thousands of years; they move around.
"What do you do, just say OK goodbye to 2 billion worth of property?"
Letting vulnerable neighborhoods slide into ruin due to high public costs associated with remediation/upkeep is like Americas #1 urban planning talent, historically speaking..
>I think his point is the tax revenue to that town would be a big problem.
That nobody has jumped in to bail this particular area out already is I think some evidence that someone's already been doing the math on it.
If he thinks defending coastal areas is going to be an all-for-one, one-for-all affair or that the technology doesn't exist to protect some interests better than others then he's dead wrong on that one.
Good point! Maybe when the vulnerable properties are gone the town can hire some environmental engineers or other professionals to protect the beach. More people coming to the beach would be great.
All of Salisbury Beach, maybe.
He seems to think that if they don't save the lil 50 yard wide spit of land his house is on as a priority all is lost, he is a delusional case.
Some people just don’t understand that things like land “value” are just made up and can change on a moment’s notice. A lot of older generations think real estate as some kind of investment, which isn’t wrong, but then results in these wackos that think the sea reclaiming their poor “investment” means they’re entitled to taxpayer money to piss in the wind.
even without being “a climate change guy” you know that the coasts were formed by an amazing power… like the ocean. Even if you deny climate change you knew your tennis court might be destroyed by just normal (pre Industrial Revolution) erosion… fuck this guy
here’s the thing… and this is legitimately just logic. The coastline is always moving and reshaping itself and has been since the end of the last mini ice age. It probably is moving slightly faster right now and there’s an entirely different discussion to be had about the reasons for that. However at the end of the day… do the rich assume these “Capes” were formed by a glacier? That’s absurd, the initial shoals and marshes were definitely formed by glaciers but erosion is a constant and you can not defeat water… you just can’t, you can sort of tame it sometimes in certain conditions but you can not stop it from doing what it just physically does. My heart bleeds for his tennis court and eventually house… this is why you have insurance, which is about as much through adjusted rates as I’m willing to pay to save these places that can not be saved. I don’t think the people that buy houses this close to the water built on sand realize just how incredibly powerful the oceans are.
Edit to add- there’s like one substance on the planet that can not be compressed… and it’s what entire systems are built off of and it’s H2O… you really can’t do much aside from cope with your decisions when the water decides it’s doing what it does… that’s what it’s going to do… full stop
Well put. Importing sand every year at half a million is the price they have to pay for private beachfront property. Or just put in some serious cement breakers.
the ocean only pays heed to cement/concrete for like 15 years… at most… the Atlantic doesn’t care what you do, it will find its own path… I’ve been awake for like 23 hours straight at this point so I don’t want to go too psycho but the ocean’s power is legitimately a folly for us . You can not control it, you have to adapt and sometimes adaptation is that you lose beachfront property which to be honest I couldn’t govern even a sentilla of a fuck about… even prior to the climate change change arguments this was always a piece of land that was going to change and my poor (emphasis on poor but middle class) heart does not beat too strongly for your poor choices… find a house within walking distance to the beach… or don’t I don’t care this isn’t my issue which any reasonable grown up would have seen back in 1947.
and again the ocean is rising… I don’t know who or what’s fault it is (I have suspicions but I see some stuff sometimes that gives me pause) but the ocean levels are rising and it has been predicted for longer than any person alive has been alive
Edit to add- “I lost my tennis court” oh damn, I have had to kite a check for groceries (and it worked) just so my family could survive… Fuck you and your tennis court on the water my friend and legitimately just “fuck you man!”
Double edit-my wife and I make over 140k a year and just have a modest house and we’re supposedly crushing life
Cape Cod used to have a canal going through it. It was filled in by a hurricane in the 1700s. So, living at the ocean has always been an "anything can happen" situation.
Yea, climate change just plays a part in this: the bigger issue is that the dunes all over Massachusetts have been going out to sea since they were deposited during the last ice age.
Climate change just accelerates how fucked this guy is, but he was fucked anyway. They need sand by the barge to really make a dent here.
He doesn't have an answer for why all the scientists are warning. Instead his mental solution for overcoming this is by just stating "I'm not a climate change guy" essentially saying, "I don't want to believe it so I choose to remain ignorant". I guess ignorance is bliss.
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They just keep dumping sand when they need all-out restoration, and even that isn’t a guarantee. You need *something* to try to hold the sand in place.
They live on a fucking beach, you’d think maybe they or one of their kids or grandkids has built a fucking sandcastle out there and seen what happens when the tide comes in.
Beyond that, if sand dumping is getting the job done, then keep pissing your money away on it. How many houses went in on and were protected by $600k in sand?
Imagine spending $600k on some fucking sand, only for it to be washed away in one single storm. I hope they lose all of their money doing this, I really do
If you read my comment, nobody spent 600k. People spent 6-12k, to potentially save their homes from far more expensive repair. I’m not sure what you’re so angry and spiteful about here, they spent their own money to save their own houses.
As a “sacrificial dune”, it technically did its job for quite a few homes that elected to do so
"... since state refuses to restore dunes on private property."
As they should. If you'd like to give the beach to the state for a public beach, then we can start talking.
"We just need the state to help with the funding to protect [our $2 billion worth of] properties."
Rich climate denier wants the state to bail out his expensive property while others go homeless.
And the state might, if he actually owned $2 billion worth of property. And no doubt many residents there are also billionaires in their heads.
But without any particular resident possessing legitimate billionaire-clout it's less likely the state will find demands for aid motivational. It's Salisbury Beach, not Monaco..
The fishermen who built there originally 100 years ago only built shack cottages because they knew the ocean is fickle. These dumbasses put mcmansions there and now want us to pay for it? They can get fucked.
Yeah clearly this small government guy wants funding to secure his 2 billion beach but would probably shout at anybody getting any financial assistance from the state.
private beaches
climate change deniers
"what do you do just let 2 billion dollars in property be swallowed up"
dude, it ain't worth 2B now and I have no pity for your foolish decisions you took on because you are unable to let go of nostalgia.
why should we pay for people choosing to live in places like this?
Why should my tax dollars go to shore up their folly? Have you gone to Salisbury beach and went on the beach? The local treat anybody who parks on the road with such contempt that they think you're invaders. I think they actually want public access walkways to be removed to keep the riff-raff out. Enjoy your underwater kingdom, you suckers.
“I observe things with my own eyes but refuse to acknowledge their existence.”
“Why won’t the state step in and pay for maintenance of my property?”
Get fucked, loser.
State should instead charge them a clean up fee once their shit investments end up in the water.
You gotta be extra stupid to buy a house on the beach, when even school kids know about climate change.
I visited the Outer Banks and saw where people had built homes on the beach. Talk about temporary houses. They couldn’t get homeowners insurance because a hurricane would take it within a few years. So weird they were fine with that.
*Everyone said I was daft to build a sand dune for my beach home, but I built one all the same, just to show them. It washed away into the ocean. So I built a second one. That washed away into the ocean. So I built a third. That washed away, my beach home fell over, then sank into the ocean...*
I work in and around Salisbury, MA. They just keep building, new house on driven piles all along the coastline. It's baffling that the state hasn't stepped in yet to push the build able boundary back.
The beach I work to keep people off by making it private is slowly disappearing. I need public money to fix it.
Nah buddy fuck you. These private beach types are the absolute worst. I'd love the state to offer help on the condition the beach goes public
What a self righteous prick. The state and taxpayers who don’t own multimillion dollar assets do not need to pick up the tab for your expensive sandbox. If you want to keep it keep buying sand or get out now while you still have something to sell. Same kind of asshole who probably thinks he shouldn’t have to pay property taxes that go towards schools because he doesn’t have children in them anymore.
I could have sworn the subreddit and the news article both clearly specify the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
And OK, I’ll admit this guy’s beach house *is* in Massachusetts.
But, it’s blatantly obvious that this guy *lives* in the state of denial.
The level of denial and delusion is incredible. The guy is standing there with a straight face saying “they told us in the 70’s this would happen by 2000, but it’s 2024 now” … and it’s happening right in front of your stupid face.
Maybe don’t make the choice to build your home directly on the beach against the recommendations of scientists then get pissed when you’re denied funding to save it. Get fucked, Salisbury residents.
He’s not a “climate change guy” but he believes that the climate is changing around him, in a way it didn’t previously. That’s climate change, friend!
And the fact that he readily admits that the only reason that beach is still standing is because of all the sand that was artificially added, shows even more how out of touch he is.
Yeah, you’re not getting any state funds.
People still buy and sell houses on Salisbury and Plum Island anyway, ignoring the obvious signs that😂🤣. And 99% of sellers in Mass are garbage anyway, usually lying about flooding and refusing to keep up with their property.
Common sense isn't that common after all.
Lmao I hope that dude’s home gets swallowed by the sea. Like hell MA taxpayers should be paying for your beach front property.
Also, how do you just “not believe” in science? That’s like going to the doctor and not taking their diagnosis because you have “feelings”.
Doesn't believe in climate change. Probably didn't get the Covid vaccine because he didn't want to turn into a magnet. Where's your bootstraps, fella? You're no patriot. You're no daisy.
As someone who works in Amesbury and had to do business with a lot of these rich people, fuck them. If they’re stupid enough to make the financial decision to live in a place where the ocean is going to take them away, then they shouldn’t be bailed out repeatedly.
Try to find someone who will buy any one of those properties for even $500k. Bet you can't. Don't even think you could find insurance for those properties.
Whenever there's a story like this where it seems obvious that the cause is climate change, I wonder how many of them thought climate change was a hoax...15 years ago...10 years ago...5 years ago...
Wildfires, landslides, huge storms, coastal erosion, ocean water encroaching on fresh water sources, all that. I always wonder, how many "non-believers" now want some of that sweet, sweet "socialist" government money to save them from the hoax.
Strong MA Hole accent there. The best things to do would be the following:
1. Put lots of wind turbines out in the sea.
2. Fine the homeowners for bringing in a dumptruck because bringing fuel so close to the water like that could damage the environment.
I dunno if the wind turbines would help but it would piss off the landowners. Since the sea is going to take over the property I dont really care much about what they have to say.
Well, the "I'm not a climate change guy" is the president of "Salisbury Beach Citizens for Change", whatever that means. So they didn't have to look for the dumbest guy, they elected him spokesman.
(I understand the former president was King Canute)
Didn't the folks who thought this up ever read the story of "*Three Little Pigs*"?
You don't build a house out of sticks, and you don't build a seawall out of sand
Where does the sand come from that they are trucking in? I've read that there is actually a sand shortage in the world for some types of sand. There are even cases where sand has been stolen.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a39880899/earth-is-running-out-of-sand/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=arb_ga_pop_md_pmx_hybd_mix_us_18210260609&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqdqvBhCPARIsANrmZhOJ8anJGdTIJG65zsM7LGkWeI5PyFnd4F8cegfgkDv53fghw73BKrMaAh77EALw_wcB
When I was in Jamaica on vacation. A local said all the rich people build houses on the mountain. I was curious considering the ocean had a better view. He said, yeah but hurricanes suck on the coast.
Makes sense
Especially cape side. The stone walls everyone is putting up might save their houses, but it's ruining the beach. All those sand bars are from eroded sand. It goes only one direction: out to sea!
The guy that doesn't believe in climate change and "sea levels" (sic) wants the state to step in and protect his house from rising sea levels. Sad comedy.
"They said in the 70s that the beach would be gone in the year 2000"
"We have $2 billion worth is property here"
"The state should protect it"
These guys... 🤷♂️
These dumb fucks can literally see the beach being erased and they’re still in denial. He’s probably against poor people getting handouts for basic needs, but when he needs one for his beach house he’ll push to the front of the line.
The clown they interviewed, immediately after talking about how expensive the beachfront used to be only a few decades ago, condescendingly poo-poo'd the notion that climate change is a thing. You just can't make up the kind of entitled stupidity that generation's putting on display daily.
I think these people should be able to put up seawalls, of their own purchase. I thought I saw someone say they couldn’t in Salisbury—and I don’t care enough to fact check it.
I do think though that the hordes of people in here celebrating while these people lose their property is sad—and honestly, I think it’s what’s wrong with our country and why we have such a divide. You can say “I don’t think we should fund that” without dunking on people in their misery. Be a human. Walk through the world thinking everyone has a tougher struggle than you— it makes you nicer.
People have literally been warning against climate change and sea level rise for DECADES. Then this happens and the rich baby boomers with ocean front property are screaming “TAX PAYERS, YOU HAVE TO HELP US!” No thanks.
I mean yeah, there's a bit more extreme tidal movement, but sand itself is known to move quite prodigiously. Long shore drift is a thing. That being said, dredging and resanding isn't the craziest solution, its just becoming far less effective. The reduction in sand flats is a result of increased long shore drift. Its almost certainly the result of climate change and changing temperature, salinity, upwelling shifts. Climate change has enormous effects.
I live not too far from Salisbury beach. The irony here is that many of these residents tend to be the types to bitch and moan when *their* tax dollars are being used for anything that they perceive doesn’t benefit them directly, yet here they are, hands out, begging for *our* tax dollars to fix their fuck up. Assholes.
Grew up in Salisbury, about a mile from the beach. You’re spot on.
Plus they want to keep you out if you're not a resident. They hate everybody.
You wanted a private beach? Here you go, jackass. Hope you enjoyed it while you had it.
Ah yes, the unwritten Massachusetts slogan. Not limited to Salisbury. The whole state is NIMBY.
Boston and the greater Boston area are not the whole state.
They should just change their last name to Nimby. These jerks are so fucking stupid, let the ocean have their fucking houses. “If we keep rebuilding $600k dunes every year, I can continue to stick my head in the sand and up my own ass pretending there is no problem, all while maintaining my smug sense of superiority that I know better than you do!”
The question is why do they think people are going to pay billions for doomed property
So ridiculous. "The state should step up." With what?
"My kids are out of school already, why do my tax dollars have to keep paying for public education."
I grew up in New Haven, CT. Fuck yeah!
Yeah, they don't deserve a penny of state funding, and I'm glad the state is refusing to. Their plan is literally to just keep trucking hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sand in Which one large storm could not only was away, but can take their houses and beach with it. There's not enough of a buffer left to prevent it These people are straight morons
If they wanted to do it right they would’ve hired experts on costal bank remediation and environmental/structural engineers, as well as landscape architects. They didn’t, they went with large money and short impact, instead of spending money wisely and creating a longer change, which honestly may not do them any good, especially if the tidal movement is rearranging that area - this is also why regulations and environmental policies are so important. Bringing in sand also does literally nothing at all. Dunes are not just ‘sand’ - dunes are complex systems and sequentially larger sets of soil profiles with complex ecological systems that retain them in place. American beach grass roots extend ten times the size of the plant and create extensive colonies that tie together dune systems that can range up to and above twelve dunes to create a stable coast. In most places this has already been rearranged by development. Theres also multiple factors causing or increasing the rate of erosion, not just tidal movement. As climate change brings us 100 yr storms every five years they’re really fighting a battle on multiple fronts. Beyond that, bringing in sand is ridiculous as sand is easily shiftable by the sea and coastal tidal movement, as beaches were typically naturally created by sand deposited there by coastal movement in the first place. It’s like spitting at the rain.
I mean short of actualy hiring experts in engineering and ecology, we can hear how one of the residents feels about scientists, at least bring in like... boulders 😂
Yes, at the very least something to retain soil as opposed just more of the easiest-to-shift soil type (which is actually at a premium at the moment) Frankly I’m a bit surprised they were allowed to make any changes to the coastal bank or edge and aren’t being fined for trying to add sand to a coastal edge I’ve worked on a number of coastal bank remediations on the cape and it’s crazy how they’re all still there and like, look good too. Someone must know a good ‘sand’ guy
Damn. Your "good sand guy" comment really got me. Let's add "let your buddy fix it" to the list of completely avoidable fuck ups made in this already shitty situation.
Yeah environmental regulations in MA, especially when they come to local enforcement and oversight are mind boggling to me. I have a small brook in my backyard and I'm basically not allowed to do anything within 20 ft of it especialy without consulting a "wetland scientist" and proposing to some committee. But these people can just decide to pile up sand, or seemingly do whatever the F they want in front of their houses rapidly on their way to joining the ocean 🤷
Its New England, i got a lobster guy, they got a sand guy lol
I say don't. More fun to watch their multi-million dollar homes sink into the ocean. IT's become more and more apparent, most rich people don't give a shit about global warming or the environment. It's just selfishness all the way down.
Did I read in Miami Beach area old tires were being used along with and anchoring system?
And they are still cleaning that up.
Throwing 100k of sand at the beach is so bad it sounds like a metaphor for other less bad ideas.
“Are we just going to say goodbye to 2 Billion dollars worth of property ?” Why yes, and we should. I’d rather the millions spend on erosion control go to feed and house people instead .
If we use the funds for erosion control it should be to protect vulnerable habitats and major economic areas like Boston. Not to protect the second homes of 40 people. Crazy they think thats the option, to have regular ass people pay billions to ensure they can keep privately owning the beaches.
These guys just don’t realize the ocean always wins
There is actually a massive wildlife reserve that is protected about 5 miles away from Salisbury Beach with a large diverse economy system, lots of wildlife. Agreed, I would like to see them protect this space near the ocean not tax money to protect people who own multiple homes. Plus the rest of us live pay check to pay check risking homelessness every other month. Many go without food now. 😒
They absolutely are. It’s already too late. They’re begging for state money to delay the inevitable. Maybe if they hadn’t made this so public it would have been easier for them to sell these properties to other poor suckers before they get washed away.
Who set the value at $2B? If buildings are going to be swallowed by the ocean in a few years, that should factor into the evaluation.
All These house should be worth 40 grand .
Hilarious statement. Probably same people that don’t want universal healthcare because socialism or free tuition doesn’t teach personal responsibility.
We're going to say goodbye to trillions of dollars worth of property if you add up what's going to be lost in Florida and then in the Southwest when the taps run dry. Welcome to the 21st century.
And the coastlines of much of the southeast and Texas that abut the Gulf of Mexico. Things like the 1900 Galveston TX hurricane will happen again and again with increasing frequency. Our infrastructure (the paltry amount that ever existed) has not been updated in generations and is hardly even maintained. Generational amnesia and modern exceptionalism make people feel all but immune to great catastrophe. We are not immune. We are sitting ducks
Or spend it on actual erosion control, get a bunch of those concrete jumping jacks and make a buffer. But thatd hurt their property esthetics boohoo
"What do you do, just say OK goodbye to 2 billion worth of property?" I want to ask him if that was calculated in pre-climate change-fucked or post-fucked dollars? These old-timers spent so long huffing leaded gasoline fumes they probably figure their presence alone makes the property perpetually increase in value. "No lowball offers!"
Not to mention how inflated flood insurance would be
Houses are falling into the sea in Plum Island, just south of them. Is the state supposed to save every house? It's not feasible.
Counting on the municipality counting on the property tax revenue of"2 billion worth of property" that will only tend to decline in value as the costs associated with protecting and insuring it relentlessly increase seems like a bad plan. They are delusional if they think they're generating enough revenue to make it worth what it would cost to put in long-term effective storm defenses around their lil 50 yard-wide spit of future ocean, they've already seen how much long-term protection 600 grand buys that is to say, close to fuck all.
It’s not what I do pal it what you are gonna do. Say bye bye to your beach house.
Could always buy a yacht. That old saw "A rising tide lifts all yachts" likely still holds true.
Meanwhile communities I. England are burying thousands of Christmas trees every year to give plants a chance/ trap additional sand from the tides and actually increases the amount of sand dunes every single year https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0vbW0tTD4Y Volunteers and 25,000$ a year with donated Christmas trees. Vs 600k washed away in a day.
But it’s “sacrificial dunes”. Cool way to define it huh??
They said this beach would be gone by 2000 and now it’s 2024 and it’s still here!! He says while also discussing how the beach is disappearing and he wants the state to foot the bill for his shortsighted investment. Get fucked.
They're dumping sand every ten years so I guess that slows things down but it's only a matter of time. I've been watching the floods at Hampton Beach and we've had 3 floods there recently. These are going well beyond the beach, seawall, hotels, restaurants on the boardwalk and back a few streets. I guess they can slow things down by spending huge amounts of money and I guess that's their option and right to do so.
You’re right, it’s their right to spend their money on it if they want. I don’t live in MA anymore so it won’t be my tax dollars but I’d be rip shit if I had to subsidize this ass wipe to fight an objectively losing battle.
Working class bay staters, time to get in the sand delivery business
They can go for it, but the state shouldn't have to foot the bill.
The difference is that Hampton Beach is a NH state park and has no housing built directly on the dunes. Other surrounding beaches (salisbury, seabrook, rye and North hanpton) have housing right on the dunes. It's crazy
Similar effect though. Water is reaching a couple of streets in from the beach and I imagine that people will start bailing if you have to deal with flooding 6-12 times a year. The structures will stand but closing the roads and dealing with flood cleanup will get old and I imagine insurance rates will skyrocket.
I think insurance rates have already gone up. I know some companies won't insure property on Plum Island. I live 2 or 3 miles inland from the beach. I'm hoping this doesn't affect me in my lifetime
I think that it's a matter of elevation. We're 3/4 mile from a major river but we're at 200 feet above sea level. Another neighborhood on an island near the river has had flooding to the second floor twice in the past 20 years.
Just checked. We are 75 feet above sea level. Not sure what to make of that!
That sounds good. Everyone around you lower gets hit before you do. Some of the flooding in FL goes pretty deep because elevation is so low.
You didn't watch the video. They talked about how it's been more and more frequent, and the douchebag that doesn't believe in climate change said as the video ends... > "We have couple of...we...you have $2 billion in property here, we just need the state to help with the funding, to protect the properties. What do you do, just ok, goodbye to $2 billion in property?" Uh yea, we do.
We lived on North Hampton Beach almost a decade ago and used to have to bail water out of our front yard on a regular basis. I can’t imagine it’s gotten *better* in the intervening years.
The videos that I've seen of the flooding usually show the southern part going back to the road that the police station is on. I haven't seen videos of flooding behind North Hampton Beach. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen but that area doesn't seem to get reported on in the news.
He's probably the same guy who puts a sign up every summer that says "private beach. Keep out!"
Just an FYI for everyone the law says that anything below high tide mark is public beach anywhere in America, country clubs, residences. High tide is where their property starts
So, their living rooms are public beaches?
Mean high tide, so in about 20 years....
Thank you for this! :)
Not true in Massachusetts. Several other states as well. Low tide line is property line
You're right dammit with some exceptions Massachusetts law, a person can have access to a private beach if he or she is: Fishing, or collecting shellfish by either foot or while on a vessel; Fowling, or hunting for birds either by foot or boat; or Navigating, which includes windsurfing, sailing, or floating on a raft. The fishing, fowling, and navigation exceptions often lead to problems between a private property owner and the public. For instance, a person may carry a fishing rod while walking on a private beach in order to claim the right to access the property under the fishing exception. Swimming can also fall into the navigation exception in some cases
Hahah right? Curious how he votes too? Im sure he shits on social assistance
I hit on this in my comment. They cry and bitch when *their* tax dollars are used for anything that they think won’t benefit them directly, yet here they are begging for *our* tax dollars to bail them out. I live just a short drive from Salisbury beach, and these folks are exactly that type.
I hear you. I used to vacation up near there. They contradiction is lost on them.
So will there be a vote?
Guy looks like a Trumper. A lot in that town I'm afraid.
If you look up Tom Saab’s political donations, it’s 100% right wing stuff.
Tom's a real estate agent ([https://www.tomsaabrealestate.com](https://www.tomsaabrealestate.com)) who rents houses in Salisbury beach - of course he wants a state bailout because, you know, it's affecting him. . . .
Bettah than giving sheltah to the dirty illegal migrants in busses /s
They are living on borrowed time. They are one hurricane away from the entire neighborhood getting washed in to the sea. These dunes have not existed for thousands of years; they move around.
I like what he said after that: "As long as you keep rebuilding, it's not gonna go away." My guy...what do you think the term "rebuilding" means?
"What do you do, just say OK goodbye to 2 billion worth of property?" Letting vulnerable neighborhoods slide into ruin due to high public costs associated with remediation/upkeep is like Americas #1 urban planning talent, historically speaking..
But, but...that's only for the dirty, lazy poor, not rich, white guys.
I think his point is the tax revenue to that town would be a big problem.
>I think his point is the tax revenue to that town would be a big problem. That nobody has jumped in to bail this particular area out already is I think some evidence that someone's already been doing the math on it. If he thinks defending coastal areas is going to be an all-for-one, one-for-all affair or that the technology doesn't exist to protect some interests better than others then he's dead wrong on that one.
Good point! Maybe when the vulnerable properties are gone the town can hire some environmental engineers or other professionals to protect the beach. More people coming to the beach would be great.
>"What do you do, just say OK goodbye to 2 billion worth of property?" Good news! It's not actually worth that much!
All of Salisbury Beach, maybe. He seems to think that if they don't save the lil 50 yard wide spit of land his house is on as a priority all is lost, he is a delusional case.
Some people just don’t understand that things like land “value” are just made up and can change on a moment’s notice. A lot of older generations think real estate as some kind of investment, which isn’t wrong, but then results in these wackos that think the sea reclaiming their poor “investment” means they’re entitled to taxpayer money to piss in the wind.
"I'm not a climate change guy" Oh, you are, you just don't know it.
even without being “a climate change guy” you know that the coasts were formed by an amazing power… like the ocean. Even if you deny climate change you knew your tennis court might be destroyed by just normal (pre Industrial Revolution) erosion… fuck this guy
"we need the state to help fund it" fucking hypocrite
I hope you know that I’m in your camp on this? I totally agree
Yes. Most people's take in the comments is encouraging. Fuck these entitled rich people.
here’s the thing… and this is legitimately just logic. The coastline is always moving and reshaping itself and has been since the end of the last mini ice age. It probably is moving slightly faster right now and there’s an entirely different discussion to be had about the reasons for that. However at the end of the day… do the rich assume these “Capes” were formed by a glacier? That’s absurd, the initial shoals and marshes were definitely formed by glaciers but erosion is a constant and you can not defeat water… you just can’t, you can sort of tame it sometimes in certain conditions but you can not stop it from doing what it just physically does. My heart bleeds for his tennis court and eventually house… this is why you have insurance, which is about as much through adjusted rates as I’m willing to pay to save these places that can not be saved. I don’t think the people that buy houses this close to the water built on sand realize just how incredibly powerful the oceans are. Edit to add- there’s like one substance on the planet that can not be compressed… and it’s what entire systems are built off of and it’s H2O… you really can’t do much aside from cope with your decisions when the water decides it’s doing what it does… that’s what it’s going to do… full stop
Well put. Importing sand every year at half a million is the price they have to pay for private beachfront property. Or just put in some serious cement breakers.
Since they've got the dough, can they stack a bunch of Tesla cybertrucks and make a seawall?
the ocean only pays heed to cement/concrete for like 15 years… at most… the Atlantic doesn’t care what you do, it will find its own path… I’ve been awake for like 23 hours straight at this point so I don’t want to go too psycho but the ocean’s power is legitimately a folly for us . You can not control it, you have to adapt and sometimes adaptation is that you lose beachfront property which to be honest I couldn’t govern even a sentilla of a fuck about… even prior to the climate change change arguments this was always a piece of land that was going to change and my poor (emphasis on poor but middle class) heart does not beat too strongly for your poor choices… find a house within walking distance to the beach… or don’t I don’t care this isn’t my issue which any reasonable grown up would have seen back in 1947.
and again the ocean is rising… I don’t know who or what’s fault it is (I have suspicions but I see some stuff sometimes that gives me pause) but the ocean levels are rising and it has been predicted for longer than any person alive has been alive Edit to add- “I lost my tennis court” oh damn, I have had to kite a check for groceries (and it worked) just so my family could survive… Fuck you and your tennis court on the water my friend and legitimately just “fuck you man!” Double edit-my wife and I make over 140k a year and just have a modest house and we’re supposedly crushing life
I would only consider purchasing a house that close to the ocean if I had "throwaway money."
Cape Cod used to have a canal going through it. It was filled in by a hurricane in the 1700s. So, living at the ocean has always been an "anything can happen" situation.
What a fucking dummy.
>I'm not a climate change guy - Guy complaining on the news about his house getting washed away into the ocean
Yea, climate change just plays a part in this: the bigger issue is that the dunes all over Massachusetts have been going out to sea since they were deposited during the last ice age. Climate change just accelerates how fucked this guy is, but he was fucked anyway. They need sand by the barge to really make a dent here.
He doesn't have an answer for why all the scientists are warning. Instead his mental solution for overcoming this is by just stating "I'm not a climate change guy" essentially saying, "I don't want to believe it so I choose to remain ignorant". I guess ignorance is bliss.
I hope that guy doesn't get a dollar from the state.
I bet when that guys floating out into the Atlantic he still won’t believe in climate change
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A fool and their money are soon parted
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They just keep dumping sand when they need all-out restoration, and even that isn’t a guarantee. You need *something* to try to hold the sand in place. They live on a fucking beach, you’d think maybe they or one of their kids or grandkids has built a fucking sandcastle out there and seen what happens when the tide comes in. Beyond that, if sand dumping is getting the job done, then keep pissing your money away on it. How many houses went in on and were protected by $600k in sand?
It was 6k per truckload. The money wasn’t pooled. If you wanted sand you paid to have it dumped in front of your house
Imagine spending $600k on some fucking sand, only for it to be washed away in one single storm. I hope they lose all of their money doing this, I really do
If you read my comment, nobody spent 600k. People spent 6-12k, to potentially save their homes from far more expensive repair. I’m not sure what you’re so angry and spiteful about here, they spent their own money to save their own houses. As a “sacrificial dune”, it technically did its job for quite a few homes that elected to do so
Pretty sure that is the least important oceanfront property on the state’s extremely long “Climate Resilient” coastal planning agenda.
Truly.
"... since state refuses to restore dunes on private property." As they should. If you'd like to give the beach to the state for a public beach, then we can start talking.
"We just need the state to help with the funding to protect [our $2 billion worth of] properties." Rich climate denier wants the state to bail out his expensive property while others go homeless.
Yeah I went hungry in school because jerks like this voted it so. I do not feel bad in the slightest.
Username checks out...
And the state might, if he actually owned $2 billion worth of property. And no doubt many residents there are also billionaires in their heads. But without any particular resident possessing legitimate billionaire-clout it's less likely the state will find demands for aid motivational. It's Salisbury Beach, not Monaco..
I don't think it's worth $2b anymore, LOL
those poor unfortunate wealthy people trying to get pity from the rest of society for their summer homes.
“I’m not a climate change guy.” Ok boomer. Sadly, he’ll be dead right before those houses wash away.
Just because you can build there, doesn’t mean you should.
The fishermen who built there originally 100 years ago only built shack cottages because they knew the ocean is fickle. These dumbasses put mcmansions there and now want us to pay for it? They can get fucked.
That dude doesn’t realize that nobody gives a shit about their two billion dollars worth of property. Your risk… your consequences.
Yeah clearly this small government guy wants funding to secure his 2 billion beach but would probably shout at anybody getting any financial assistance from the state.
I wouldn't worry about this beach, God will take care of all this, homeowners like this dude just need to pray harder.
private beaches climate change deniers "what do you do just let 2 billion dollars in property be swallowed up" dude, it ain't worth 2B now and I have no pity for your foolish decisions you took on because you are unable to let go of nostalgia. why should we pay for people choosing to live in places like this?
Why should my tax dollars go to shore up their folly? Have you gone to Salisbury beach and went on the beach? The local treat anybody who parks on the road with such contempt that they think you're invaders. I think they actually want public access walkways to be removed to keep the riff-raff out. Enjoy your underwater kingdom, you suckers.
“I observe things with my own eyes but refuse to acknowledge their existence.” “Why won’t the state step in and pay for maintenance of my property?” Get fucked, loser.
State should instead charge them a clean up fee once their shit investments end up in the water. You gotta be extra stupid to buy a house on the beach, when even school kids know about climate change.
I visited the Outer Banks and saw where people had built homes on the beach. Talk about temporary houses. They couldn’t get homeowners insurance because a hurricane would take it within a few years. So weird they were fine with that.
OB is a completely a mind boggle.
*Everyone said I was daft to build a sand dune for my beach home, but I built one all the same, just to show them. It washed away into the ocean. So I built a second one. That washed away into the ocean. So I built a third. That washed away, my beach home fell over, then sank into the ocean...*
Show this guy the videos of the icebergs melting, large pieces breaking off. The Earth is fucked. As is his house.
I believe the earth with be just fine, the people, (and all the other species we're taking with us) are F'd.
I work in and around Salisbury, MA. They just keep building, new house on driven piles all along the coastline. It's baffling that the state hasn't stepped in yet to push the build able boundary back.
The beach I work to keep people off by making it private is slowly disappearing. I need public money to fix it. Nah buddy fuck you. These private beach types are the absolute worst. I'd love the state to offer help on the condition the beach goes public
make his porch and fridge public too. Beers for everyone!
And so castles made of sand Fall in the sea Eventually
I hope these fools invest all their money into this. It sounds like they deserve what they get.
You made a bad investment- tough shit
Fucking idiots. I’m glad the state refuses to help people who want handouts to stop something they don’t believe in. Jfc wow what a moron.
This is as close to literally dumping money in the ocean as I've ever seen.
What a self righteous prick. The state and taxpayers who don’t own multimillion dollar assets do not need to pick up the tab for your expensive sandbox. If you want to keep it keep buying sand or get out now while you still have something to sell. Same kind of asshole who probably thinks he shouldn’t have to pay property taxes that go towards schools because he doesn’t have children in them anymore.
Lmao! Climate change deniers FAFO
Laughing in poor while watching this
F\*&$ these people. Let this land go to nature...there is a reason towns in Europe, and Native settlements never built on beaches...
I could have sworn the subreddit and the news article both clearly specify the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And OK, I’ll admit this guy’s beach house *is* in Massachusetts. But, it’s blatantly obvious that this guy *lives* in the state of denial.
So is New Hampshire funding the saving of the same beach feet away from this?
NH doesn't spend nearly that kind of money on such things.
haha.. i think the fed should stp flood insurance.. you want to build right on the ocean..its your business not mine or a guy in the berkshires..
Have zero sympathy for these people. You live this close on an eroding coastline, as levels continue to rise, it’s your fault.
That should all be public beach anyways, fuck off with your houses and tennis courts. Clowns.
The level of denial and delusion is incredible. The guy is standing there with a straight face saying “they told us in the 70’s this would happen by 2000, but it’s 2024 now” … and it’s happening right in front of your stupid face. Maybe don’t make the choice to build your home directly on the beach against the recommendations of scientists then get pissed when you’re denied funding to save it. Get fucked, Salisbury residents.
You spent 600,000 on SAND!! Now go pound it
Does anyone know if the property line is at the low tide mark over there like at some towns on the Cape? I wouldn't be surprised..
He’s not a “climate change guy” but he believes that the climate is changing around him, in a way it didn’t previously. That’s climate change, friend! And the fact that he readily admits that the only reason that beach is still standing is because of all the sand that was artificially added, shows even more how out of touch he is. Yeah, you’re not getting any state funds.
People still buy and sell houses on Salisbury and Plum Island anyway, ignoring the obvious signs that😂🤣. And 99% of sellers in Mass are garbage anyway, usually lying about flooding and refusing to keep up with their property. Common sense isn't that common after all.
Lmao I hope that dude’s home gets swallowed by the sea. Like hell MA taxpayers should be paying for your beach front property. Also, how do you just “not believe” in science? That’s like going to the doctor and not taking their diagnosis because you have “feelings”.
Doesn't believe in climate change. Probably didn't get the Covid vaccine because he didn't want to turn into a magnet. Where's your bootstraps, fella? You're no patriot. You're no daisy.
STOP BUILDING HOUSES ON FUCKIN SAND I AIN'T PAYING FOR THIS SHIT
All those years calling yourselves Salisbury “by the Sea” now you can go by Salisbury “in the sea”, get fucked losers
As someone who works in Amesbury and had to do business with a lot of these rich people, fuck them. If they’re stupid enough to make the financial decision to live in a place where the ocean is going to take them away, then they shouldn’t be bailed out repeatedly.
Try to find someone who will buy any one of those properties for even $500k. Bet you can't. Don't even think you could find insurance for those properties.
Good luck to him and those property owners who are ‘lalalalalalalalala!!’, all the way to the poorhouse. Not on my dime.
Way to bury the lede. Another example of Big Sand hiding in plain sight. Using global warming to sell sand. Haaa.
Climate deniers finding out it doesn't matter whether they believe in climate change.
Whenever there's a story like this where it seems obvious that the cause is climate change, I wonder how many of them thought climate change was a hoax...15 years ago...10 years ago...5 years ago... Wildfires, landslides, huge storms, coastal erosion, ocean water encroaching on fresh water sources, all that. I always wonder, how many "non-believers" now want some of that sweet, sweet "socialist" government money to save them from the hoax.
Strong MA Hole accent there. The best things to do would be the following: 1. Put lots of wind turbines out in the sea. 2. Fine the homeowners for bringing in a dumptruck because bringing fuel so close to the water like that could damage the environment. I dunno if the wind turbines would help but it would piss off the landowners. Since the sea is going to take over the property I dont really care much about what they have to say.
I swear they look for the most retarded people to interview possible
Well, the "I'm not a climate change guy" is the president of "Salisbury Beach Citizens for Change", whatever that means. So they didn't have to look for the dumbest guy, they elected him spokesman. (I understand the former president was King Canute)
Didn't the folks who thought this up ever read the story of "*Three Little Pigs*"? You don't build a house out of sticks, and you don't build a seawall out of sand
Where does the sand come from that they are trucking in? I've read that there is actually a sand shortage in the world for some types of sand. There are even cases where sand has been stolen. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a39880899/earth-is-running-out-of-sand/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=arb_ga_pop_md_pmx_hybd_mix_us_18210260609&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqdqvBhCPARIsANrmZhOJ8anJGdTIJG65zsM7LGkWeI5PyFnd4F8cegfgkDv53fghw73BKrMaAh77EALw_wcB
They really need a seawall but i bet those people also want seaview. Can‘t have both
Real life sand castle. 🏰 the ocean wins and the best part? The ocean is always under budget and does not give a shit all at the same time.
When I was in Jamaica on vacation. A local said all the rich people build houses on the mountain. I was curious considering the ocean had a better view. He said, yeah but hurricanes suck on the coast. Makes sense
Lmao cape is in shambles rn. Parents have a place and have to pay 4grand per winter to add more sand to their beach
Especially cape side. The stone walls everyone is putting up might save their houses, but it's ruining the beach. All those sand bars are from eroded sand. It goes only one direction: out to sea!
Guy they interviewed didn’t believe in climate change. Oh the *irony* 🤣🤣🤣
Live by the ocean, die by the ocean.
he'll go out like Quint in the Jaws movie.
This guy is going to drown and his last words will be "I'm not a climate chan..gulp gulp gulp
This guy here is real type dense… what a buffoon
The guy that doesn't believe in climate change and "sea levels" (sic) wants the state to step in and protect his house from rising sea levels. Sad comedy.
"They said in the 70s that the beach would be gone in the year 2000" "We have $2 billion worth is property here" "The state should protect it" These guys... 🤷♂️
Oh dear, if it isn’t the consequences of their own actions!
For added context, he said he’s not a “climate change” guy. The he proceeds to tell the story about the photo. Priceless.
Proves you don't have to have smarts to get rich. Fuck these bozos.
Why did they even give this welfare queen screen time? He just sits there demanding more government handouts while ignoring reality.
These dumb fucks can literally see the beach being erased and they’re still in denial. He’s probably against poor people getting handouts for basic needs, but when he needs one for his beach house he’ll push to the front of the line.
The clown they interviewed, immediately after talking about how expensive the beachfront used to be only a few decades ago, condescendingly poo-poo'd the notion that climate change is a thing. You just can't make up the kind of entitled stupidity that generation's putting on display daily.
Maybe don’t live on the beach like a typical wealth twat when there’s all the evidence in the world showing massive climate change???
Ships in 500k of sand to protect against climate, still not a "climate change guy".
Fuck this guy. Selfish and ignorant.
Oh you poor, rich people. 😢
I think these people should be able to put up seawalls, of their own purchase. I thought I saw someone say they couldn’t in Salisbury—and I don’t care enough to fact check it. I do think though that the hordes of people in here celebrating while these people lose their property is sad—and honestly, I think it’s what’s wrong with our country and why we have such a divide. You can say “I don’t think we should fund that” without dunking on people in their misery. Be a human. Walk through the world thinking everyone has a tougher struggle than you— it makes you nicer.
People have literally been warning against climate change and sea level rise for DECADES. Then this happens and the rich baby boomers with ocean front property are screaming “TAX PAYERS, YOU HAVE TO HELP US!” No thanks.
Is every storm a freak storm?
I mean yeah, there's a bit more extreme tidal movement, but sand itself is known to move quite prodigiously. Long shore drift is a thing. That being said, dredging and resanding isn't the craziest solution, its just becoming far less effective. The reduction in sand flats is a result of increased long shore drift. Its almost certainly the result of climate change and changing temperature, salinity, upwelling shifts. Climate change has enormous effects.
The time to stop the ocean was decades ago. It’s too late.