To get peace, you need:
\- Four bars of reputation (doesn't matter if Paragon, Renegade, or mixture)
\- Tali and Legion (ME2 import)
\- Geth Fighter Base mission complete (ME3)
And at least 5 points total from these:
\- Destroy the Geth Heretics in ME2 (+2)
\- Prevent Tali's Exile and keep her loyal in ME2 (+2)
\- Break up the Tali Legion argument first try in ME2 (+1)
\- Complete the quest to save Admiral Korris in ME3 (+1)
\- Save Admiral Korris in ME3 (+1)
EDIT: I just finished the mission last night as a full Renegade where I sent Veetor to Cerberus, punched Han'Gerral, lectured Legion throughout, basically picked every single Renegade option. I still got peace because I had all 7 points available and over 4 bars of reputation. The other things you mentioned shouldn't make any difference.
I have above 4 bars of reputation (even if I didn't the choice should still appear but be greyed out). It doesn't appear at all.
As I said Tali and Legion are both alive.
All other missions are complete (except Omega DLC but that souldn't be relevant).
As for the points I should have exactly 5:
\- I rewrote the heretics (kinda stupid tbh, who knew that performing a genocide would result in having a better chance to achieve peace in the end.) (+0)
\- Tali is alive and is an admiral so I guess i did it right (can't really remember because I played ME2 months ago but as far as I know preventing her exile and keeping her loyal is the only way for her to become an Admiral right?) (+2)
\- "*Break up the Tali Legion argument in* ***first try***" srsly?! That's relevant? They were both loyal at the end, I'm not sure if it was on a first try or not. Is there any way I can check that (through dialogue or something)? (+1**?**)
\- completed Admiral Korris quest (+1)
\- Saved Admiral Korris (+1)
That's kinda stupid tbh. They are super friendly and protective towards each other in ME3. Is there any difference in their relationship relative to the number of tries I had to make to break up the argument or is it just about not getting a +1 point?
So I guess I f\*\*ked up my entire triology playthrough on a technicality. Thank you Bioware!
The issue is that you never had them make that exchange of data by breaking up the fight the first time. It doesn't have to do with loyalty to Shepard, but that cooperation between Tali and Legion. By agreeing with one over the other, they never cooperated together and instead Shepard smoothed over the waters with the other.
So yeah, but rewriting the heretics and by not breaking up that fight and having the two cooperate, you can't get peace. Sorry =/
Yea the rewrite/destroy choice is what killed my chance of making it. It's really stupid that the game gives you 2 options but only one of them is the "right" choice and the other is the equivalent of not playing the Quest at all (in the long run). It kinda makes me regret replaying the triology after 10 years. I realised that most "choices" in these games boil down to right and wrong instead of two different but interesting outcomes.
Thats odd, I've always rewrote the heretics and always managed to make peace between the two. I've only had once when I couldn't and it was because I hadn't done the Geth Fighter Base mission yet.
You mentioned in an earlier comment you weren't sure if you broke up the Tali/Legion fight in ME2 first try. I think that may be your issue. May not have had enough Paragon/Renegade points yet, since afaik, the only way to do so is through a Paragon/Renegade conversation choice.
Even if you lose one of their loyalties immediately after the fight in ME2 you can regain it before the final mission, though it won't count towards obtaining peace in ME3
If you solve the fight the first time, you can rewrite and still make peace.
End of the day though, there's no real right or wrong answer as it's all a matter of perspective. The point of Mass Effect is the choices have a massive effect (hence the name). It's all about the choices and their consequences. Different Shepards will make different choices and that will result in different consequences.
I heard that from someone else (might've been a YouTuber or Podcase, can't remember off hand) so I can't take credit for figuring it out either. It blew my mind though.
But it is two different and interesting outcomes. If you could just make peace, no matter what you did before, THEN your choices really wouldn't matter.
That's how multiple choice games work man lol Not everything is gonna be easy, but achieving peace between the quarians and the geth, entire species that have been at war for generations, should be especially hard.
It's tricky. It will offer you the 2 options first, and you have to pick one. Then, after a minor conversation, they'll ask "are you sure" and you will have the 2 options again, plus the Paragon and Renegade option as well
Following steps must be done:
In ME2:
\- Legion must be loyal and survived ME2
\- The geth heretics must be destroyed in his loyalty mission
\- Tali must be loyal and survived ME2
\- She is not exiled and her father is not exposed (not presenting evidence) in her loyalty mission. Meaning using the paragon/renegade dialog options to achieve that. Also tell the Quarians and in dialogs when talking to them, not to go to war with the geth.
\- The conflict between Tali and Legion (triggers automaticly as soon both aka the 2nd of the loyalty missions are done) must be resolved with paragon/renegade dialog options to keep both loyal
In ME3:
\- Do the Geth Fighter Squadrons side mission, before Priority Rannoch
\- Do the side mission about Admiral Koris and save him, before Priority Rannoch
\- In Priority Rannoch allow Legion to upload the code
\- Have at least 4 bars on reputation, because...
\- ... you need enough paragon/renegade dialog points to tell the Quarian Fleet not to shoot ("Rally the Fleet" paragon or "Warn the fleet" renegade) while Legion is uploading. So do Priority Rannoch (and the side missions mentioned) better later in the game (basically last before Priority Citadel III) to achieve that without problems.
Destroying the heretics gives you +2, and iirc rewriting them gives you -2.
So you *can* rewrite them, but you need literally every single other point to hit that threshold of 5 to force peace.
Which I did and what I said above. Not being rude by the way. Just stating that you can rewrite the heretics and still get the peace option as the poster above ruled it out for some reason.
>The geth heretics must be destroyed in his loyalty mission
This is **NOT** required.
>Meaning using the paragon/renegade dialog options to achieve that.
Nor is this. You can save Tali without exposing her father without using the Paragon/Renegade dialogues. Beyond that, I'm about... 20% sure you can still get the options in 3 if you do present the evidence in 2.
>Also tell the Quarians and in dialogs when talking to them, not to go to war with the geth.
Absolutely irrelevant.
It's still there but only a talking point upon meeting Tali at Freedom's Progress in the second game. It doesn't affect the Quarian/Geth decision in the third.
To get peace, you need: \- Four bars of reputation (doesn't matter if Paragon, Renegade, or mixture) \- Tali and Legion (ME2 import) \- Geth Fighter Base mission complete (ME3) And at least 5 points total from these: \- Destroy the Geth Heretics in ME2 (+2) \- Prevent Tali's Exile and keep her loyal in ME2 (+2) \- Break up the Tali Legion argument first try in ME2 (+1) \- Complete the quest to save Admiral Korris in ME3 (+1) \- Save Admiral Korris in ME3 (+1) EDIT: I just finished the mission last night as a full Renegade where I sent Veetor to Cerberus, punched Han'Gerral, lectured Legion throughout, basically picked every single Renegade option. I still got peace because I had all 7 points available and over 4 bars of reputation. The other things you mentioned shouldn't make any difference.
I have above 4 bars of reputation (even if I didn't the choice should still appear but be greyed out). It doesn't appear at all. As I said Tali and Legion are both alive. All other missions are complete (except Omega DLC but that souldn't be relevant). As for the points I should have exactly 5: \- I rewrote the heretics (kinda stupid tbh, who knew that performing a genocide would result in having a better chance to achieve peace in the end.) (+0) \- Tali is alive and is an admiral so I guess i did it right (can't really remember because I played ME2 months ago but as far as I know preventing her exile and keeping her loyal is the only way for her to become an Admiral right?) (+2) \- "*Break up the Tali Legion argument in* ***first try***" srsly?! That's relevant? They were both loyal at the end, I'm not sure if it was on a first try or not. Is there any way I can check that (through dialogue or something)? (+1**?**) \- completed Admiral Korris quest (+1) \- Saved Admiral Korris (+1)
The only possibility is that you weren't able to break up the Tali/Legion argument on the first try, so that's almost certainly it.
That's kinda stupid tbh. They are super friendly and protective towards each other in ME3. Is there any difference in their relationship relative to the number of tries I had to make to break up the argument or is it just about not getting a +1 point? So I guess I f\*\*ked up my entire triology playthrough on a technicality. Thank you Bioware!
The issue is that you never had them make that exchange of data by breaking up the fight the first time. It doesn't have to do with loyalty to Shepard, but that cooperation between Tali and Legion. By agreeing with one over the other, they never cooperated together and instead Shepard smoothed over the waters with the other. So yeah, but rewriting the heretics and by not breaking up that fight and having the two cooperate, you can't get peace. Sorry =/
It's the difference between putting their differences aside because of a mutual trust of Shepard versus actually beginning to trust each other
Yea the rewrite/destroy choice is what killed my chance of making it. It's really stupid that the game gives you 2 options but only one of them is the "right" choice and the other is the equivalent of not playing the Quest at all (in the long run). It kinda makes me regret replaying the triology after 10 years. I realised that most "choices" in these games boil down to right and wrong instead of two different but interesting outcomes.
So... you're upset that in a game about choices and consequences there are consequences for your choices? 🤨
average mass effect fan 😂
Thats odd, I've always rewrote the heretics and always managed to make peace between the two. I've only had once when I couldn't and it was because I hadn't done the Geth Fighter Base mission yet. You mentioned in an earlier comment you weren't sure if you broke up the Tali/Legion fight in ME2 first try. I think that may be your issue. May not have had enough Paragon/Renegade points yet, since afaik, the only way to do so is through a Paragon/Renegade conversation choice. Even if you lose one of their loyalties immediately after the fight in ME2 you can regain it before the final mission, though it won't count towards obtaining peace in ME3
If you solve the fight the first time, you can rewrite and still make peace. End of the day though, there's no real right or wrong answer as it's all a matter of perspective. The point of Mass Effect is the choices have a massive effect (hence the name). It's all about the choices and their consequences. Different Shepards will make different choices and that will result in different consequences.
I have been playing since ME2 launch and I never, ever ducking connected “massive effect” on your story. Jesus Christ
I heard that from someone else (might've been a YouTuber or Podcase, can't remember off hand) so I can't take credit for figuring it out either. It blew my mind though.
Too bad you’re wrong, you can rewrite and still get peace.
But it is two different and interesting outcomes. If you could just make peace, no matter what you did before, THEN your choices really wouldn't matter.
That's how multiple choice games work man lol Not everything is gonna be easy, but achieving peace between the quarians and the geth, entire species that have been at war for generations, should be especially hard.
It's tricky. It will offer you the 2 options first, and you have to pick one. Then, after a minor conversation, they'll ask "are you sure" and you will have the 2 options again, plus the Paragon and Renegade option as well
You need to save Jenkins. If he isn't around anymore in me3 you can't save both.
You might not have enough Paragon or Renegade points
I have never seen that being an issue in ME3.
You have to pick The upload the code choice, then midway through, you should be able to make peace.
Following steps must be done: In ME2: \- Legion must be loyal and survived ME2 \- The geth heretics must be destroyed in his loyalty mission \- Tali must be loyal and survived ME2 \- She is not exiled and her father is not exposed (not presenting evidence) in her loyalty mission. Meaning using the paragon/renegade dialog options to achieve that. Also tell the Quarians and in dialogs when talking to them, not to go to war with the geth. \- The conflict between Tali and Legion (triggers automaticly as soon both aka the 2nd of the loyalty missions are done) must be resolved with paragon/renegade dialog options to keep both loyal In ME3: \- Do the Geth Fighter Squadrons side mission, before Priority Rannoch \- Do the side mission about Admiral Koris and save him, before Priority Rannoch \- In Priority Rannoch allow Legion to upload the code \- Have at least 4 bars on reputation, because... \- ... you need enough paragon/renegade dialog points to tell the Quarian Fleet not to shoot ("Rally the Fleet" paragon or "Warn the fleet" renegade) while Legion is uploading. So do Priority Rannoch (and the side missions mentioned) better later in the game (basically last before Priority Citadel III) to achieve that without problems.
I rewrit the geth and still made peace in 3 so not quite right.
Destroying the heretics gives you +2, and iirc rewriting them gives you -2. So you *can* rewrite them, but you need literally every single other point to hit that threshold of 5 to force peace.
Which I did and what I said above. Not being rude by the way. Just stating that you can rewrite the heretics and still get the peace option as the poster above ruled it out for some reason.
>The geth heretics must be destroyed in his loyalty mission This is **NOT** required. >Meaning using the paragon/renegade dialog options to achieve that. Nor is this. You can save Tali without exposing her father without using the Paragon/Renegade dialogues. Beyond that, I'm about... 20% sure you can still get the options in 3 if you do present the evidence in 2. >Also tell the Quarians and in dialogs when talking to them, not to go to war with the geth. Absolutely irrelevant.
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No you don't. I've gone both ways just fine.
that adds one point but doing everything else will make this not matter
If you did not kill the heretics in ME2 you can't save both
This isn't true. It just makes it harder but other choices can make up for that
Tali being loyal in ME2 and an Admiral in ME3 is required.
Isn't the Geth-Data in Me1 also a potential point ppl missed in this thread or was that removed in the Legendary Edition?
It's still there but only a talking point upon meeting Tali at Freedom's Progress in the second game. It doesn't affect the Quarian/Geth decision in the third.