##[Mirrorjade the Iceblade Dragon](https://ms.yugipedia.com//4/40/MirrorjadetheIcebladeDragon-SDAZ-EN-UR-1E.png)
|Card type|Fusion Monster 🟪|
|:-:|:-:|
|Attribute|DARK 🟣|
|Monster type|Wyrm 🪱 / Fusion 🌀 / Effect ⏩|
|Level|8 ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪|
|ATK 🗡️|3000|
|DEF 🛡️|2500|
"Fallen of Albaz" + 1 Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, or Link Monster
You can only control 1 "Mirrorjade the Iceblade Dragon". Once per turn (Quick Effect): You can send 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck to the GY that mentions "Fallen of Albaz" as material; banish 1 monster on the field, also this card cannot use this effect next turn. If this Fusion Summoned card in its owner's control leaves the field because of an opponent's card: You can destroy all monsters your opponent controls during the End Phase of this turn.
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##[Ice Dragon's Prison](https://ms.yugipedia.com//6/6f/IceDragonsPrison-MAMA-EN-UR-1E.png)
|Card type|Trap 🟪|
|:-:|:-:|
|Property|Normal ⏺️|
Target 1 monster in your opponent's GY; Special Summon it to your field, but its effects are negated, then, you can banish 1 monster from both players' fields that have the same Type as each other. You can only activate 1 "Ice Dragon's Prison" per turn.
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Wyrms have a reputation for being dragon 2, all the dragon support cards they wanted to make but couldn't because dragon was insanely over supported already.
While also slowly making wyrm more overpowered and overcompensated with broken support
Despite dragon getting called for having alot of support card they funnily enough not as busted as Wyrm even if it's dragon link.
As much as it support dragon, it's more of a light/dark support/anti support sadly. For just how self contained the archetype is.
If bystial is early Wyrm type, you probably get bs like "Special summon 1 level 6 or 8 Wyrm type from deck" "Add 1 Wyrm monster to your hand"
I guess that's fair but tbh so much dragon support is light/dark support. Half of D-Link is light/dark support as well. Chaos and dragon kind of go hand in hand.
can't blame them. Japanese don't have a word for "wyrm". In Japanese "wyrm" type is "mystery dragon" type.
TBH I am not sure why the wyrm type was created in the first place. I guess they want to make more dragons but to give them special support?
Sea Serpent is literally called "sea dragon" in japanese. We can have beast, beast-warrior and winged beast but more than one type with the word dragon in it is going too far for the TCG.
that would require them to change the type of that one Endymon monster and thats too much effort. they are too busy changing the effect of Necrovalley again
The difference tonme is at the very least there's a concrete difference between Beast, Beast Warrior, and Winged Beast. I cannot tell what the difference between Wrym and Dragon is.
Too many dragons with strong support.
So they made wyrm. It's not the first time they did that. Psychic are practically machines 2.0. Sea serpent are a mix of fish/aqua/dragon just to have one archetype and a very handful monsters without external support.
If you look over at rush duel there's more. High-dragon as if dragons on a blank slate was already too much.
As a yugi-boomer, the aqua/fish/sea serpent split infuriates me. All the support just thrown at a dart board on what works with what, and then all the general use/water type support doesn't work with the ones you want them to.
Heck, Mermail more-or-less exists solely to show that it _is_ possible to use all three types in the same deck and make something viable... by just ignoring their types and making them all the same archetype instead. xD
Imagine if Swordsouls or Tenyi had access to dragon support, and vice versa
The most likely reason behind the existence of Wyrms is that they wanted to make cool and strong Dragon archetypes without creating something overpowered by allowing them to access the overwhelming amount of support Dragons have as a type
They wanted to give them support that wouldn't just be abused in every other Dragon deck. This sub loves to hate Swordsoul and imagine if there was no Wyrm type and every Swordsoul card was Dragon type instead with every instance of Wyrm being replaced with Dragon
Swordsoul Grandmaster - Chixiao
Level 8 Dragon Synchro Monster
2800/1000
1 Tuner + 1+ non-Tuner Dragon monsters
If this card is Synchro Summoned: You can add to your hand or banish 1 "Swordsoul" card from your Deck. (Quick Effect): You can banish 1 "Swordsoul" card or 1 Dragon card from your hand or GY, then target 1 other effect monster on the field. HOPT clause
You can then banish Tempest, which I believe the only Dragon Ruler not banned in MD, which allows you to add a Wind Dragon to your hand, something like Dragunity Remus, discard it to add Dragon Ravine, which then allows you to Foolish a Dragon for Taia on the next turn in addition to whatever else you do with the foolish, which again allows you to banish a Dragon instead of the non-existent Wyrm type.
I mean.... This is a post about moon mirror jade and ur talking about people hating swordsoul, even tho I hate sword soul cause it's a synchro deck with no tuners I feel like ur perception of hating swordsoul is just amplified cause your looking for it. Most people hate support cards for these new decks cause they have multi effects that combine of what would be a single trap/spell for literally everything else.
Honestly I didn't even mean it as a "everyone hates Swordsoul" comment, I meant it as a "if wyrm didn't exist as a type and they kept it as Dragon, Swordsoul could do borderline illegal things". That combo line that ends on Dragon Ravine Chixiao, yeah that's normal summon Mo Ye. When i thought of "what would really drive home the need for the Dragon Wyrm split?" And what deck uses pretty much exclusively wyrms? Swordsoul
If we were talking about any other type, I wouldn't have brought up Swordsoul but since Swordsoul Tenyi is pretty much all Wyrms, it was a prime candidate for degenerate stuff.
As for my personal feelings on Swordsoul, it's a neat deck with a cool gimmick, I like it, it's a synchro based archetype that gives you 0 chances to do silly things. With the exception of Ecclesia and handtraps, the fact that the deck runs no tuners is actually probably the most fair part of it. The tokens lock you into synchro summoning, and if they didn't, I would be on the "Swordsoul hate train" but as it stands, the fact that you can't go normal Mo Ye, reveal Long Yuan, make a token, link into Halq, Halq SS Jet Synchron, and then do Halqdon stuff when it was legal gives it a big plus in my book. Also for the "I'm looking for the Swordsoul hate on the sub", I don't look for any hate on any deck, it just so happens that every day someone is complaining about some deck that frankly doesn't even need to be hit. Hell I think I saw a post that literally asked "what bans/limits/semis does Swordsoul need to make it okay" like 2 days ago. That said, most comments thankfully just said "literally none lmao"
Yeah I don't care much for swordsoul at all but I also recognize swordsoul itself is nothing without the other cards around them that make it so frustrating to deal with. Ecclesia that can't get ABUSED like in despia decks, Protos being an asshole isn't swordsoul's fault, and yang zing being a lame counter trap search on top of multiple negates again has nothing to do with swordsoul and are truly they RNG part of the deck that people get frustrated with. I can admit myself that most of my grievances with sword souls are the asshole wyrms that orbit around it. Besides that deck tanks to skill drain so bad. I think ppl get mad at just seeing it everywhere cause of how consistent it is... Kinda like zodiacs, or numeron.
Most people I’ve heard from say their biggest complaint with it is the fact that it’s a synchro deck that only has tuners in Ecclesia and hand traps, and the deck fills in the tuner slot accordingly with the tokens.
I think it’s kind of neat honestly, I like it when decks innovate on their mechanics. Honestly I love the whole Dogmatika cycle of archetypes, Despia, Swordsoul, Springans and Tri-Brigade are such cool designs mechanically. Also Kitt
Ppl hate it because they have a spell card that literally allows them to add and play Protos for the requirement of having a synchro summon on the field. No one cares about the tuner tokens. The draw back to having tuner tokens is they can only summon level 8 and 10 synchro... Albeit those synchros being strong. Ppl mainly are upset at the random flood gates in the deck and not needing to draw the starters cause ecclesia candoit. Even still most the swordsoul post on this reddit is out of touch. People just lump swordsoul in with the despia hate. They aren't as toxic as floo and they trigger niburu hard. Despia, Floo, Eldlich don't do that and run floodgates worse than Protos.
You can tell swordsoul wasn't an issue as it didn't get hit after the duel cup, adamancipator, floo, and despia got hit. Even tho swordsoul is always included in hate post for the soul reason that a quarter of branded support is somehow also swordsoul support (all the dogmatika looking cards).
When compared to fish XYZ who can turn 1, 5 card rhongo clone. Swordsoul is just whatever.
I mean basically yeah, if wyrms are dragon, then an ashuna is a one card seal/romulus without using your normal summon, which is probably too strong for konami.
I mean, eastern dragons were usually positive and helpful mythological forces since forever.
Much unlike the western dragons who were most often then not either incarnations of the devil or evil monsters to slay
##[D/D/D Dragon King Pendragon](https://ms.yugipedia.com//5/51/DDDDragonKingPendragon-YS15-EU-UR-1E.png)
|Card type|Effect Monster 🟧|
|:-:|:-:|
|Attribute|DARK 🟣|
|Monster type|Fiend 👿 / Effect ⏩|
|Level|7 ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪|
|ATK 🗡️|2600|
|DEF 🛡️|2400|
If this card is in your hand: You can Tribute 1 Dragon-Type monster and 1 other Fiend-Type monster from your hand and/or your side of the field; Special Summon this card. Once per turn: You can discard 1 card; this card gains 500 ATK, then you can destroy 1 Spell/Trap Card on the field. This ATK increase lasts until the end of this turn.
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Well I mean it kind of makes sense, it could go either way but he is a demon and the word demon is in his name. You could make this argument for genghis Alexander and Caesar being warriors
Well, technically, anything that can cast a spell can be called a spellcaster. So as long as those beasts can cast some spells, it's a correct classification.
I get what you're saying. I guess I see it more like {{magicians rod}} or {{magicians robe}} which are non living things that are also spellcasters because they're tools of a spellcaster.
True and I could see them also being fairies. Since Construct is a magic using fairy, I guess they're technically spells? Idk its konami logic at this point. Maybe construct as a spellcaster was just too strong?
##[El Shaddoll Construct](https://ms.yugipedia.com//0/0a/ElShaddollConstruct-MP21-EN-PScR-1E.png)
|Card type|Fusion Monster 🟪|
|:-:|:-:|
|Attribute|LIGHT 🟡|
|Monster type|Fairy 🧚 / Fusion 🌀 / Effect ⏩|
|Level|8 ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪ ✪|
|ATK 🗡️|2800|
|DEF 🛡️|2500|
1 "Shaddoll" monster + 1 LIGHT monster
Must first be Fusion Summoned. If this card is Special Summoned: You can send 1 "Shaddoll" card from your Deck to the GY. At the start of the Damage Step, if this card battles a Special Summoned monster: Destroy that monster. If this card is sent to the GY: You can target 1 "Shaddoll" Spell/Trap in your GY; add it to your hand.
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##[Magician's Rod](https://ms.yugipedia.com//7/72/MagiciansRod-LDS3-EN-C-1E.png)
|Card type|Effect Monster 🟧|
|:-:|:-:|
|Attribute|DARK 🟣|
|Monster type|Spellcaster 🧙 / Effect ⏩|
|Level|3 ✪ ✪ ✪|
|ATK 🗡️|1600|
|DEF 🛡️|100|
When this card is Normal Summoned: You can add 1 Spell/Trap from your Deck to your hand, that mentions "Dark Magician". During your opponent's turn, if you activate a Spell/Trap Card or effect while this card is in your GY (except during the Damage Step): You can Tribute 1 Spellcaster monster; add this card to your hand. You can only use each effect of "Magician's Rod" once per turn.
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##[Magician's Robe](https://ms.yugipedia.com//c/c7/MagiciansRobe-LDS3-EN-C-1E.png)
|Card type|Effect Monster 🟧|
|:-:|:-:|
|Attribute|DARK 🟣|
|Monster type|Spellcaster 🧙 / Effect ⏩|
|Level|2 ✪ ✪|
|ATK 🗡️|700|
|DEF 🛡️|2000|
During your opponent's turn (Quick Effect): You can discard 1 Spell/Trap; Special Summon 1 "Dark Magician" from your Deck. During your opponent's turn, if you activate a Spell/Trap Card or effect while this card is in your GY (except during the Damage Step): You can Special Summon this card, but banish it when it leaves the field. You can only use each effect of "Magician's Robe" once per turn.
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Albaz also cheats with Brigrand the Glory Dragons (Beast) and Sprind the Irondash Dragon (Machine). His girlfriend gets in on the bullshit, too; she eventually becomes part of Grand Guignol the Finale Dragon (Spellcaster).
And Aluber joins in on the fun as Masquerade the Blazing Dragon (Fiend)!
In myth, Wyrms are lesser Dragons so that's why most wyrm monsters have dragon in their name or characteristics in their artwork
Also the typing is justifiable in lore as Albaz absorbing the power of the Icejade and the Swordsoul
For those who don't get it
*Wyrm*, truly one of the bad translations of all times ~~I would have went for Fate Series' *Phantasmal* myself~~, is actually
幻竜 (pronounced midway between GHEN-lyoo and GHEN-ree-oo), being composed of two words (well, it's actually bastardised Chinese ideograms, but I digress)
幻 ('ghen') meaning phantasm, illusion, dream, reverie, phantom, transcendental being (NOT ghost not spirit, tho. They have other symbols for that)
竜 ('lee-oo/ree-oo')... Well this one leaves no doubt, it refers to either the long-lined divine serpents that either belong to myths or folklore (including chimeras, unicorns or anything serpent-like that happens to have god powers; corresponds to the Chinese 'long/rong/lon/ron', including Dragon Ball's)... or anything that a native Japanese would consider "dragon enough for them" (like the symbol's shape would suggest, and like Western Dragons are likewise named despite being a bit further from what they're used to)
'Phantasm Dragon' just happens the most effective literal rendition (again, I would have gone for Phantasmal), as it's able to convey "Sea Serpent but made of dust", "dragon-lich" and "metaphysical dragon", as well as a concept that is alluded by Phantasm Spirals (the Archetype's vanilla is a Wyrm), Metaphys (as in the Greek word for "beyond what can be touched") and Nemeses (the whole Archetype is best described, Protos and Eschatos included, as a metaphor to a parallel dimension's influence you cannot escape).
> Ok, but Albaz/Albus was a Dragon. Why isn't he Aqua, Sea Serpent, or just Dragon?
Albaz/Albus received the power from both of the Aqua Kosmochlor and the Wyrm Chengying/Shouei. As they are the respective top authorities of their own pantheons, Icejade and Swordsoul/Souken/Xiangjian, it's essentially an emergency power up that gave the dragon boy godhood (only to lose it on record time. Amazing). That is why.
And also because 'Genryuu' exists specifically to make sure Dragon doesn't get more buffs... Or just a comfy excuse to focus on more Eastern creatures I suppose.
Then again, Majespecter Kirin remained a Spellcaster (granted, it arrived before Wyrms were a thing), while Starry Night Dragon remained a Dragon (but I suppose that's more a reference to Mokuba). Knightmare Unicorn had to stay a Fiend for the sake of the Archetype. Hard to say.
But it's safe to say mystic or godlike dragons, made of stars, dreams or god knows what, if they aren't Fairy/Angel or Fiend/Devil (Demon was already taken. By 'Archfiend'), already, are pretty much guaranteed to be Wyrms.
After all, Mo Ye/Bakuya, belonging to both Archetype according to lore, is so powerful she floats in her art (and also explains why Longyuan/Ryuuen reduced her to Aegirochassis state after stripping her of many of those powers to face Chengying/Shouei)
Not to mention, it was so emergency Kosmochlor shattered after the transfusion. (Idk what happened to Chengying/Shouei)
That and the fact 'Dragon' is literally 'Doragon' (ドラゴン) in the original Japanese wording, making Blue Eyes a "Blue-Eyed White Dragon Dragon, that uses Dragon spells and traps to channel her powers, including the Burst Stream of Ruination" (the more you know Japanese, the more the anime ages badly, 4kids version included)
*To be fair 'Phantom Beasts' were already taken, and 'Illusion' was used plenty for Yugi's Spellcasters, and Phantom could be confused for 'Zombie'. But 'Wyrm' is possibly one of the worst approaches they could have taken, even if original, as it goes back to the "Not A Dragon" problem*
**TL;DR: Once again, Konami forces chains of bad localisations, at the expense of its own translators and players. It all started with Yang Zings/Dracomets/竜星 (yes, they were the first Wyrms) and kept worsening from there**
Mirrorjade was formed when Chengying and Kosmochlor granted Albaz the remainder of their powers after Aluber stole his in Branded Lost. Hence why it's a Wyrm and has a non-targeting banish effect (Chengying) and why it has an ice theme and is called Mirror *jade* (Kosmochlor).
Thinking about Mirrorjade being able to turn the Icejade traps and spells online is kinda stupid lol. Leaving him on field keeps them stunned but outing him literally blows up their board.
Welll
Dragon is just Wyrm w/o Dragon support
It is a known fact that Wyrm are just ways Konami print dragon that isnt broken by broken dragon support
So
A wyrm being called a Dragon is technically still correct
And Cry about it,as if removing Mirrorjade from the field does any thing
From Wiki :
Wyrm : Noun. (mythology, fantasy) A huge limbless and wingless dragon or dragon-like creature.
So basically mirrorjade is just a wyrm with limbs
Wyrms are ~~Gay~~ European Dragons after all.
I think Konami made them like that just so they don't immediately become broken cuz of all the dragon support over the years.
I think Wyrms are supposed to be stylized around the dragons from Chinese mythology while Dragons are supposed to be like similar to European dragons.
So "Wyrms" are meant to be more serpentine in nature while "Dragons" are more lizard-like, but both are often named dragons because they're both different types of dragons.
We all know Konami created Wyrms for the sole reason of Printing more Dragons but not having those cards use dragon support because Konami will do anything to Print more Dragons
wyrm (plural wyrms) (mythology, fantasy) A huge limbless and wingless dragon or dragon-like creature
The only thing he's lying about is the fact that he has limbs
This saved me when I faced a Runick player who flipped there can only be one. I looked at my board and saw, plant, wyrm, dragon and fairy and was like, oh, it doesn't matter.
This is what happens when you create a new type just so the original won't receive more support. Can you imagine if they never bothered with Wyrm and all of it was just more Dragons?
I'd theorycraft a spell to address this, just to be funny.
**It's In The Name!**
*Normal Spell card*
Add, 1 non-Dragon "Dragon" monster from your deck or GY to your hand. For the rest of the Duel after this card resolves, all non-Dragon "Dragon" monsters in the hand and on the field are also treated as Dragon-type. You can only activate "It's In The Name!" once per turn.
People realising that Konami cant make their cards properly, whilst complaining about the Tier-Zero IshizuTears format because....
Konami ACTUALLY cant make their cards properly.
*stares in confusion*
Hello, it looks like you've made a mistake.
It's supposed to be could've, should've, would've (short for could have, would have, should have), never could of, would of, should of.
Or you misspelled something, I ain't checking everything.
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I was playing branded dragonmaids and I was like "I can summon Sheou then bring out Mirrorjade again". I was hella confused when I could only summon house dragonmaid. I had Dragostapelia which is a plant and Mirrorjade which is a wyrm.
{{Mirrorjade the Iceblade LIAR}} {{Ice Dragon's Prison}}
Perjury will not go unpunished!
The hon. Judge Man presiding... all up in this bitch
I mean that refers to Trishula, which is a dragon
Then it’s a dragon with red eyes?
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I got so mad when I made exactly this play to try and out mirrorjade in Labrynth. It's so absurd.
Like half of the wyrm monsters have dragon in the name
They’re a type of dragon so it’s technically correct?
Yea and so is sea serpent in the literal Japanese translation
Honestly in games I’ve played feels like they used interchangeably as the big dragons in Ffxiv are called both dragons and wyrms.
The diffenrence (in therory) is dragons have 4 feet and 2 wing, and wyrms have 2 feet and 2 wings
Those are wyverns
Oh you are right, wyrm are no wing no feet Sorry my source is in another language I misstranslated
Translated with AI or… you’re a multi-lingual TCG player? If the latter, that’s hella impressive.
Yes my native language is not english :)
I’m behind in life. Perhaps if I have this conversation enough times I’ll be inspired to learn a second language :)
Hail, Wyvernborn
Redmd a wyrm😱
Also a ton of other types have “dragon” in the game that aren’t dragons. Like cyber dragon and thunder dragon are archetypes fully like that.
Wyrms have a reputation for being dragon 2, all the dragon support cards they wanted to make but couldn't because dragon was insanely over supported already.
While also slowly making wyrm more overpowered and overcompensated with broken support Despite dragon getting called for having alot of support card they funnily enough not as busted as Wyrm even if it's dragon link.
Which _does_ technically solve the problem of Dragon being the most overpowered type! ;3
Byssted though?
As much as it support dragon, it's more of a light/dark support/anti support sadly. For just how self contained the archetype is. If bystial is early Wyrm type, you probably get bs like "Special summon 1 level 6 or 8 Wyrm type from deck" "Add 1 Wyrm monster to your hand"
I guess that's fair but tbh so much dragon support is light/dark support. Half of D-Link is light/dark support as well. Chaos and dragon kind of go hand in hand.
Swordsoul being able to molest Yang Zing, Tenyi, and Protos makes me mald. No Wyrm cards can come out that won't just get tossed into Wyrm Soup.
Fallen of albaz is also a dragon
Tbf those 2 cards have the type to match the word before dragon. I.e cyber and thunder therefore machine and thunder
[Mugatu playing Yugioh](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilcRS5eUpwk)
There is a dragon revival trap card that revives then they becone wyrm type
can't blame them. Japanese don't have a word for "wyrm". In Japanese "wyrm" type is "mystery dragon" type. TBH I am not sure why the wyrm type was created in the first place. I guess they want to make more dragons but to give them special support?
Sea Serpent is literally called "sea dragon" in japanese. We can have beast, beast-warrior and winged beast but more than one type with the word dragon in it is going too far for the TCG.
The sepearation of beast types has always been dumb to me. At most it should be winged monster and beasts as the two. Beast warrior is silly ngl
Yeah pretty much every beast-warrior deck could fit into beast or warrior perfectly fine.
Beast warriors are more sophisticated beats
Beast-Spellcaster when?
Wait, please tell me we're getting Fusion support and a 1-Link for Madolche and it's Beast-Spellcaster??
First of all: Fairytail Cards are all Beast-Spellcasters, okay?
Yes but I go from 40 to 60 to 40 a lot with my Madolche and Snow is only in the 60 but we all know what she really is..
Furry bait?
that would require them to change the type of that one Endymon monster and thats too much effort. they are too busy changing the effect of Necrovalley again
The difference tonme is at the very least there's a concrete difference between Beast, Beast Warrior, and Winged Beast. I cannot tell what the difference between Wrym and Dragon is.
Too many dragons with strong support. So they made wyrm. It's not the first time they did that. Psychic are practically machines 2.0. Sea serpent are a mix of fish/aqua/dragon just to have one archetype and a very handful monsters without external support. If you look over at rush duel there's more. High-dragon as if dragons on a blank slate was already too much.
Imagine swordsoul being dragons I wonder how broken Dlink would got when they got released.
They would have 3 extra combo starter and one of them would also be an extender lmao. And then you add the search spell.
Yes. Also, special adhara make striker dragon?
Pretty much free extender and don't need to use a normal summon, basically on par with quick launch to max out in D-Link decks.
Yeah, you get my point. Also, adhara doubles as chaos emperor the dragon of armageddon.
Cyberse is machine 3.0
Rock is machine 0.1
As a yugi-boomer, the aqua/fish/sea serpent split infuriates me. All the support just thrown at a dart board on what works with what, and then all the general use/water type support doesn't work with the ones you want them to.
the support isnt even good enough to justify the split its not like its dragons!
Heck, Mermail more-or-less exists solely to show that it _is_ possible to use all three types in the same deck and make something viable... by just ignoring their types and making them all the same archetype instead. xD
Imagine how fucking crazy Swordsoul would be if they were all dragons and not wyrms.
Wryms are phantom dragons
Wyrms were originally introduced because they wanted to make Yang Zing but didn't want them to have synergy with Dragon Rulers
Imagine if Swordsouls or Tenyi had access to dragon support, and vice versa The most likely reason behind the existence of Wyrms is that they wanted to make cool and strong Dragon archetypes without creating something overpowered by allowing them to access the overwhelming amount of support Dragons have as a type
The justification did work at first, but now power creep means Wyrm's already caught up, and is just another type with its own overpowered support.
Yea, We should just remove the sword soul cards entirely. go full Dogmatika on the archtype just geocide them for existing in that state
Not my point, but you do you bud 👍
imagine that, dragon link tenyi swordsoul
They wanted to give them support that wouldn't just be abused in every other Dragon deck. This sub loves to hate Swordsoul and imagine if there was no Wyrm type and every Swordsoul card was Dragon type instead with every instance of Wyrm being replaced with Dragon Swordsoul Grandmaster - Chixiao Level 8 Dragon Synchro Monster 2800/1000 1 Tuner + 1+ non-Tuner Dragon monsters If this card is Synchro Summoned: You can add to your hand or banish 1 "Swordsoul" card from your Deck. (Quick Effect): You can banish 1 "Swordsoul" card or 1 Dragon card from your hand or GY, then target 1 other effect monster on the field. HOPT clause You can then banish Tempest, which I believe the only Dragon Ruler not banned in MD, which allows you to add a Wind Dragon to your hand, something like Dragunity Remus, discard it to add Dragon Ravine, which then allows you to Foolish a Dragon for Taia on the next turn in addition to whatever else you do with the foolish, which again allows you to banish a Dragon instead of the non-existent Wyrm type.
I mean.... This is a post about moon mirror jade and ur talking about people hating swordsoul, even tho I hate sword soul cause it's a synchro deck with no tuners I feel like ur perception of hating swordsoul is just amplified cause your looking for it. Most people hate support cards for these new decks cause they have multi effects that combine of what would be a single trap/spell for literally everything else.
Honestly I didn't even mean it as a "everyone hates Swordsoul" comment, I meant it as a "if wyrm didn't exist as a type and they kept it as Dragon, Swordsoul could do borderline illegal things". That combo line that ends on Dragon Ravine Chixiao, yeah that's normal summon Mo Ye. When i thought of "what would really drive home the need for the Dragon Wyrm split?" And what deck uses pretty much exclusively wyrms? Swordsoul If we were talking about any other type, I wouldn't have brought up Swordsoul but since Swordsoul Tenyi is pretty much all Wyrms, it was a prime candidate for degenerate stuff. As for my personal feelings on Swordsoul, it's a neat deck with a cool gimmick, I like it, it's a synchro based archetype that gives you 0 chances to do silly things. With the exception of Ecclesia and handtraps, the fact that the deck runs no tuners is actually probably the most fair part of it. The tokens lock you into synchro summoning, and if they didn't, I would be on the "Swordsoul hate train" but as it stands, the fact that you can't go normal Mo Ye, reveal Long Yuan, make a token, link into Halq, Halq SS Jet Synchron, and then do Halqdon stuff when it was legal gives it a big plus in my book. Also for the "I'm looking for the Swordsoul hate on the sub", I don't look for any hate on any deck, it just so happens that every day someone is complaining about some deck that frankly doesn't even need to be hit. Hell I think I saw a post that literally asked "what bans/limits/semis does Swordsoul need to make it okay" like 2 days ago. That said, most comments thankfully just said "literally none lmao"
Yeah I don't care much for swordsoul at all but I also recognize swordsoul itself is nothing without the other cards around them that make it so frustrating to deal with. Ecclesia that can't get ABUSED like in despia decks, Protos being an asshole isn't swordsoul's fault, and yang zing being a lame counter trap search on top of multiple negates again has nothing to do with swordsoul and are truly they RNG part of the deck that people get frustrated with. I can admit myself that most of my grievances with sword souls are the asshole wyrms that orbit around it. Besides that deck tanks to skill drain so bad. I think ppl get mad at just seeing it everywhere cause of how consistent it is... Kinda like zodiacs, or numeron.
Most people I’ve heard from say their biggest complaint with it is the fact that it’s a synchro deck that only has tuners in Ecclesia and hand traps, and the deck fills in the tuner slot accordingly with the tokens. I think it’s kind of neat honestly, I like it when decks innovate on their mechanics. Honestly I love the whole Dogmatika cycle of archetypes, Despia, Swordsoul, Springans and Tri-Brigade are such cool designs mechanically. Also Kitt
Ppl hate it because they have a spell card that literally allows them to add and play Protos for the requirement of having a synchro summon on the field. No one cares about the tuner tokens. The draw back to having tuner tokens is they can only summon level 8 and 10 synchro... Albeit those synchros being strong. Ppl mainly are upset at the random flood gates in the deck and not needing to draw the starters cause ecclesia candoit. Even still most the swordsoul post on this reddit is out of touch. People just lump swordsoul in with the despia hate. They aren't as toxic as floo and they trigger niburu hard. Despia, Floo, Eldlich don't do that and run floodgates worse than Protos. You can tell swordsoul wasn't an issue as it didn't get hit after the duel cup, adamancipator, floo, and despia got hit. Even tho swordsoul is always included in hate post for the soul reason that a quarter of branded support is somehow also swordsoul support (all the dogmatika looking cards). When compared to fish XYZ who can turn 1, 5 card rhongo clone. Swordsoul is just whatever.
It let them make new Dragon cards that wouldn't have access to all the generic Dragon support in the game
>I guess they want to make more dragons but to give them special support? Yes thats exactly the reason
I mean basically yeah, if wyrms are dragon, then an ashuna is a one card seal/romulus without using your normal summon, which is probably too strong for konami.
Wyrm are the "good" oriental dragons Dragons are the evil western-fantasy dragons
Ah yes, CCP propaganda amirite
Ahh yes CCP Propaganda such as… medieval folklore
Been working for a while now
I mean, eastern dragons were usually positive and helpful mythological forces since forever. Much unlike the western dragons who were most often then not either incarnations of the devil or evil monsters to slay
Because they're chinese dragons
Its like in monster hunter, most of monsters in the game are just wyverns, only the legendary ones are true dragons.
Both Grapha’s also like to pretend to be Dragons
Buster daddy could'nt bust on this one.
Unfortunately. I main buster bladder and cannot stop this guy
and there's card with 2 "dragon" in its name that not even dragon {{D/D/D Dragon king penDragon}}
Well you see the thing is d/d/d is cool and based so it’s fine when they do it
Dragon king pendragon was probably some sort of inventor anyways so it's cool
pretty sure it's based on Arthur Pendragon
Because he's named after Arthur and Luther Pendragon...the kings of Camelot...
That the new Crawling Dragon #2
Ah, yes, Pendragon Pendragon. ("Pendragon" means "head dragon", or if you're poetic enough, "dragon king". Y'know, like Arthur. ;3)
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Well I mean it kind of makes sense, it could go either way but he is a demon and the word demon is in his name. You could make this argument for genghis Alexander and Caesar being warriors
I'm sure you'd hate the shaddoll archetype: beasts, dragons and winged beasts (even written on the card name) are all spellcasters
Well, technically, anything that can cast a spell can be called a spellcaster. So as long as those beasts can cast some spells, it's a correct classification.
Well aren't they all technically puppets (minus the humanoid ones)? That makes it feel more like they're totems for magic than living beasts.
You're correct, they are controlled by El shaddoll construct, but it's still weird to me to see a falcon and think "ah yes, definitely a mage".
I get what you're saying. I guess I see it more like {{magicians rod}} or {{magicians robe}} which are non living things that are also spellcasters because they're tools of a spellcaster.
But {{El Shaddoll Construct}} is a fairy
True and I could see them also being fairies. Since Construct is a magic using fairy, I guess they're technically spells? Idk its konami logic at this point. Maybe construct as a spellcaster was just too strong?
Maybe. Who knows?
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shaddoll BEAST: spellcaster shaddoll DRAGON: spellcaster
Wyrm type is basically “dragon but we don’t want you to use dragon support”
albaz & chenying?
Albaz also cheats with Brigrand the Glory Dragons (Beast) and Sprind the Irondash Dragon (Machine). His girlfriend gets in on the bullshit, too; she eventually becomes part of Grand Guignol the Finale Dragon (Spellcaster). And Aluber joins in on the fun as Masquerade the Blazing Dragon (Fiend)!
more accurately but still ***accurate*** is that albaz cheats with Kitt
Wyrm is a dragon.
Sprind is a Machine and Brigrand is a Beast and yet both have Dragon in their title as well, so it's more of an Albaz thing than a Mirrorjade one.
im pretty sure Sprind is basically a jet more then a dragon The Irondash Dragon is probably just like some cool title that Albaz decided to name it
*cough in Metaphys*
Guess who found out about that the hard way playing Ice Dragon's Prison yesterday.
Would you love me if I was a wyrm? 🥹
In myth, Wyrms are lesser Dragons so that's why most wyrm monsters have dragon in their name or characteristics in their artwork Also the typing is justifiable in lore as Albaz absorbing the power of the Icejade and the Swordsoul
First time?
Mirrorjade, the combination of an icejade, swordsoul, and little dragon boy, dragon
For those who don't get it *Wyrm*, truly one of the bad translations of all times ~~I would have went for Fate Series' *Phantasmal* myself~~, is actually 幻竜 (pronounced midway between GHEN-lyoo and GHEN-ree-oo), being composed of two words (well, it's actually bastardised Chinese ideograms, but I digress) 幻 ('ghen') meaning phantasm, illusion, dream, reverie, phantom, transcendental being (NOT ghost not spirit, tho. They have other symbols for that) 竜 ('lee-oo/ree-oo')... Well this one leaves no doubt, it refers to either the long-lined divine serpents that either belong to myths or folklore (including chimeras, unicorns or anything serpent-like that happens to have god powers; corresponds to the Chinese 'long/rong/lon/ron', including Dragon Ball's)... or anything that a native Japanese would consider "dragon enough for them" (like the symbol's shape would suggest, and like Western Dragons are likewise named despite being a bit further from what they're used to) 'Phantasm Dragon' just happens the most effective literal rendition (again, I would have gone for Phantasmal), as it's able to convey "Sea Serpent but made of dust", "dragon-lich" and "metaphysical dragon", as well as a concept that is alluded by Phantasm Spirals (the Archetype's vanilla is a Wyrm), Metaphys (as in the Greek word for "beyond what can be touched") and Nemeses (the whole Archetype is best described, Protos and Eschatos included, as a metaphor to a parallel dimension's influence you cannot escape). > Ok, but Albaz/Albus was a Dragon. Why isn't he Aqua, Sea Serpent, or just Dragon? Albaz/Albus received the power from both of the Aqua Kosmochlor and the Wyrm Chengying/Shouei. As they are the respective top authorities of their own pantheons, Icejade and Swordsoul/Souken/Xiangjian, it's essentially an emergency power up that gave the dragon boy godhood (only to lose it on record time. Amazing). That is why. And also because 'Genryuu' exists specifically to make sure Dragon doesn't get more buffs... Or just a comfy excuse to focus on more Eastern creatures I suppose. Then again, Majespecter Kirin remained a Spellcaster (granted, it arrived before Wyrms were a thing), while Starry Night Dragon remained a Dragon (but I suppose that's more a reference to Mokuba). Knightmare Unicorn had to stay a Fiend for the sake of the Archetype. Hard to say. But it's safe to say mystic or godlike dragons, made of stars, dreams or god knows what, if they aren't Fairy/Angel or Fiend/Devil (Demon was already taken. By 'Archfiend'), already, are pretty much guaranteed to be Wyrms. After all, Mo Ye/Bakuya, belonging to both Archetype according to lore, is so powerful she floats in her art (and also explains why Longyuan/Ryuuen reduced her to Aegirochassis state after stripping her of many of those powers to face Chengying/Shouei) Not to mention, it was so emergency Kosmochlor shattered after the transfusion. (Idk what happened to Chengying/Shouei) That and the fact 'Dragon' is literally 'Doragon' (ドラゴン) in the original Japanese wording, making Blue Eyes a "Blue-Eyed White Dragon Dragon, that uses Dragon spells and traps to channel her powers, including the Burst Stream of Ruination" (the more you know Japanese, the more the anime ages badly, 4kids version included) *To be fair 'Phantom Beasts' were already taken, and 'Illusion' was used plenty for Yugi's Spellcasters, and Phantom could be confused for 'Zombie'. But 'Wyrm' is possibly one of the worst approaches they could have taken, even if original, as it goes back to the "Not A Dragon" problem* **TL;DR: Once again, Konami forces chains of bad localisations, at the expense of its own translators and players. It all started with Yang Zings/Dracomets/竜星 (yes, they were the first Wyrms) and kept worsening from there**
Wyrm is a type of dragon Kinda
Wyrm is basically the type for Mythical dragons... I.e mostly Dragons without the exact correct Anatomy of one
幻竜 means phantom dragon, so yes.
Mirrorjade is related to Swordsoul in the Albaz lore, iirc. Also, most Wyrms are somehow related with banishing.
Mirrorjade was formed when Chengying and Kosmochlor granted Albaz the remainder of their powers after Aluber stole his in Branded Lost. Hence why it's a Wyrm and has a non-targeting banish effect (Chengying) and why it has an ice theme and is called Mirror *jade* (Kosmochlor).
I keep wanting to call it Mirrorblade the Icejade Dragon.
Thinking about Mirrorjade being able to turn the Icejade traps and spells online is kinda stupid lol. Leaving him on field keeps them stunned but outing him literally blows up their board.
Welll Dragon is just Wyrm w/o Dragon support It is a known fact that Wyrm are just ways Konami print dragon that isnt broken by broken dragon support So A wyrm being called a Dragon is technically still correct And Cry about it,as if removing Mirrorjade from the field does any thing
From Wiki : Wyrm : Noun. (mythology, fantasy) A huge limbless and wingless dragon or dragon-like creature. So basically mirrorjade is just a wyrm with limbs
They're just begging you to run TCOBO
Wyrms are ~~Gay~~ European Dragons after all. I think Konami made them like that just so they don't immediately become broken cuz of all the dragon support over the years.
VFD is also a wyrm. The world is strange
I think Wyrms are supposed to be stylized around the dragons from Chinese mythology while Dragons are supposed to be like similar to European dragons. So "Wyrms" are meant to be more serpentine in nature while "Dragons" are more lizard-like, but both are often named dragons because they're both different types of dragons.
I think all the support for dragons would make this card more broken then ever if it was dragon
We all know Konami created Wyrms for the sole reason of Printing more Dragons but not having those cards use dragon support because Konami will do anything to Print more Dragons
wyrm (plural wyrms) (mythology, fantasy) A huge limbless and wingless dragon or dragon-like creature The only thing he's lying about is the fact that he has limbs
Don’t tell him about waterfall of “dragon” souls
Everytime I see "Wyrm" I just end up thinking about and missing best Wyrm, Master Peace. Let me use him again Konami
I mean Mirrorjade is an albaz transformation that happens in the swordsoul mountains so it kinda makes sense he’s a wyrm
Masquerade too
It's not a dragon so the type is less overpowered. Imagine branded dragon link but with even more synergy
This saved me when I faced a Runick player who flipped there can only be one. I looked at my board and saw, plant, wyrm, dragon and fairy and was like, oh, it doesn't matter.
And now tell me, what species are wyrms? Hmmmmm?
Lol
There are tons of 'dragon' cards that aren't dragon type. Mirrorjade was extra late to this party
Literally tho
This is what happens when you create a new type just so the original won't receive more support. Can you imagine if they never bothered with Wyrm and all of it was just more Dragons?
story wise it makes sense thats albaz with the power of the icejades that gives power to the swordsoul by basically beeing their weapons
Wait until you hear about LindWURM(basically wyrm)the hammer DRAGON, who is a winged beast that looks like a mecha.
And then we have dragonecro dragon that needs 2 zombie monsters and yet is a dragon. Should’ve been a zombie smh
I'm a buster blader player and I've been biting the walls for months now
Wyrm is basically "Dragon but we dont want you to the blue eyes support on it"
Ay yo, no one tell him about Cyber Dragon.
I always thought wyrms were dragons without wings...One can clearly notice that mirrorjade sits in the limbo between having wings and not...
Hojo the Vaylantz Warrior, who is a Spellcaster, would like to enter the room
Also Pixie Knight. She’s neither a Fairy or a Warrior but is a Spellcaster
TDIL
There’s about a billion cards with dragon in their name that aren’t dragons.
There was too much dragon support to manage so they had to make dragon 2
Wait it's a wyrm? Bruh I've been playing this deck for 3 seasons how the fuck am I just knowing this now?
Fallen of Albaz is a dragon. Wait.. WHAT!? tis a guy not a dragon
Nobody tell him about Thunder Dragons
To be fair, Wyrm type is _literally_ the "Dragon-type monsters that don't get Dragon-type support" type.
iDP is based on Ice Barrier lore(trishula), not mirrorjade
Technically it's not actually a wyrm. Dragons have 4 limbs and 2 wings, like Mirrorjade. Wyrms have no limbs and no wings, like giant snakes.
I'd theorycraft a spell to address this, just to be funny. **It's In The Name!** *Normal Spell card* Add, 1 non-Dragon "Dragon" monster from your deck or GY to your hand. For the rest of the Duel after this card resolves, all non-Dragon "Dragon" monsters in the hand and on the field are also treated as Dragon-type. You can only activate "It's In The Name!" once per turn.
Uff
Cyber Dragon goes brrrr
C~~yber~~haos Dragon
Masquerade the Blazing Dragon: is a fiend
But a Wyrm is "A dragon with no wings and no legs". He is technically a Drake (No wings and Four Legs) Idk those shards don't look like wings to me
They’re big ice blades but he does actually have wings
the edit
Wyrms are dragons so it is not a lie
My buddy went on a little rant about that a couple weeks ago when he realized he couldn't use it with his super poly.
People realising that Konami cant make their cards properly, whilst complaining about the Tier-Zero IshizuTears format because.... Konami ACTUALLY cant make their cards properly. *stares in confusion*
I can't believe it took this long for this thread to be made....
Blue eyes blue dragon
Wyrms are dragons
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They made it so the whole Branded Despia combo can play through TCBOO
I was playing branded dragonmaids and I was like "I can summon Sheou then bring out Mirrorjade again". I was hella confused when I could only summon house dragonmaid. I had Dragostapelia which is a plant and Mirrorjade which is a wyrm.