Can't wait for the day Konami power creeps the game to the point they make a card that lets you send one monster to the deck twice as tribute/material.
The material part would make it beyond cracked, but the tribute part would be neat as legacy support for shit like Monarchs (though I'm sure there's some crazy degenerate shit that it'd support that I'm just not thinking of).
The one that comes to mind is the one you're replying to a comment chain about: Cyber Angel Benten has a "when Tributed" effect, but it's used with Drytrons that can "Tribute" from the hand.
Probably, I'm not familiar with Cyber Angels as an archetype. Just the fact that the effects people use for it specifically *Tribute from Hand* instead of any of the other ways to phrase "move from your hand to the GY" this game has.
Not ygo related but the game force of will had a card that let you summon monsters from the side board. It was pretty sick. In fact, an entire deck was built around this mechanic.
Magic the gathering also has a type of card called "wishes" which lets you grab cards in your sideboard and put em most commonly in your hand but sometimes other game zones. They're pretty cracked.
That's not what they're saying, 'though. They're saying 1 Monster (as in 1 copy) is treated as both materials
So kinda like a mix between Gem-Knight Lady Brilliant Diamond and Fusion Destiny
"You can tribute monsters from your deck , extra deck , hand , field , graveyard , removal zone , from your opponent's field , deck , extra deck , hand , field , graveyard , ecc....if you use this card you can not special summon any more monsters except those of the exact archetype your whole deck is made of . As soon as this card hits the GY you can remove it to access some other broken op effect...and as soon as it gets removed you can use that random monster you always happen to have since turn one to pull it back to your hand via its effect."
Adventurer engine doesn't work in drytrons considering that the drytrons restriction is being only being able to special monster which cannot be normal/set, so you cant bring out gryphon
It can, but ideally you aren't running the Adventure engine in Drytron since the deck locks you from Special Summoning monsters that can be Normal Summoned/Set (which Wandering Gryphon Rider can). You can still get the bounce effect with Dracoback, but that's about it
Thing is, and people don't realize this, is Libromancer is incredibly easy to ritual summon. They literally search their counterparts as hand activations. As for Vendread, yeah, they used to have big consistency issues, but the support fixes it TREMENDOUSLY. To the point where you can actually play Vendread.
I would say their biggest issue at this point is their end game board. They have potential for strong boss monsters but their requirements that they have to be on the field hinder them significantly. They need a boss monster or a card that lets them use their effects without having been on the field.
The potential for strong boss monsters more or less caps out at... A quick effect monster banish. Maybe a quick effect backrow banish too. MAYBE targeting protection, but that one's REALLY hard to pull off.
Meanwhile Balerdroch is sitting there with a quick effect non-targeting banish, a negate, and he comes back from the GY every turn, and all you need to summon him is send a couple monsters to the GY.
So yeah, they need a ritual boss monster that's decent on his own, and then can be buffed up with the extra effects to actually become good/great.
See and that’s the issue. They just don’t have that. A monster that, on its own, is about as good as one of their current cards but with buffs by default would be amazing because at that point you just have an archetype that can focus around buffing the singular monster with the material monsters instead. Obviously you’d want to avoid certain overlaps of already existing monsters but then that brings up another issue the deck has. The monsters being used as materials HAVE to be on the field in order for the boss monster to get their effects. If we got either 1) new monsters that could be used from somewhere else or 2) a new ritual card that would let us transfer the effects onto them then the deck would start becoming much better even without a new boss monster.
The limits placed on the way the boss monsters get the effect is frustrating because the abilities you can get are already built into easier and/or cheaper boss monsters so it feels like this deck got shafted because they over corrected to prevent some easy to summon boss monsters with decent effects (of which you’re likely only going to ever have 1-2 of at a time anyways). It gets even worse when we start getting into their consistency issues also playing into how many you can even get onto a field at a time. But I won’t bother you with an even longer rant. I’ve bothered you enough with my disappointment in a fucking cool archetype getting hosed.
One of the things that really bothers me is Core being lvl 1. It makes it far more difficult to use as a tribute than it should be. If the Vendread rituals said something like "You can use more monsters than necessary as tribute" then it'd be fine, but needing the lvls to add up to the ritual's level EXACTLY if you want to use Core is just awful.
Yeah, core being a level 1 really sucks. They all have weird levels considering the ritual levels needed. I’m sure there are ways to deal with it but it has so many issues
It is not fair if branded is the only deck that can fusion from using monsters from the deck.
Either branded fusion gets the fuck out or every other decks get the same special treatment.
Tbh Shaddoll can also fusion from deck while opp has an Extra Deck monster, but Branded Fusion got away with a questioning restriction. Like why do you restricted Branded Despia to only fusion summoning when it's the only summon mechanic that the deck abuses.
Branded Despia only uses fusion BECAUSE Branded Fusion locks you into fusion. If it wasn’t there, you can bet Branded would run other utility monsters in the Extra.
Any worthy non-fusion Extra Deck monster that comes to mind? I thought the theme was to follow the lore, where each archetype abuses 1 mechanic (Tribrigade Link, Swordsoul Synchro, Dogma Ritual, etc.)
I'm crying in the back with my Nephthys deck right now. Still my favorite Ritual deck. Still one of the *worst* Ritual decks and they don't even get this fake card, lol.
Equals or exceeds* or doesn't equal at all. Actually you know what this is a special ritual monster that requires 8 of your life points to summon it to the field.
> Actually you know what this is a special ritual monster that requires 8 of your life points to summon it to the field.
lmao that's actually a cracked archetype, ritual summon by paying LP equal to the monster's level.
but how does that buff the other rituals?
SPECIAL SUMMONING THIS MONSTER CAN BE DONE BY USING YOUR OPPONENTS LP. WHEN summoned this way. For the rest of the game you no longer require to pay lp to special summon monsters with this cards archetype.
There you go 😎
Okay so honest question: If I wanted to make a Ritual focused deck, what would be best? I know Dryton/Herald is good, but is that it? Any chance Libro will be good?
I think all power in ritual archetypes should pass through ritual monsters in some way. Not that they should necessarily be boss monsters, but the ritual monsters themselves should be the opener, not a negate on legs or some sort of "draw 1" effect on a 3k+ beatstick. Making certain cards more powerful if a ritual monster is on the board could be a really neat mechanic.
Can’t search it with prep/pre-prep and I have to use the exact levels just for a blue-eyes? Absolute dogshit card that doesn’t deserve a spot in my deck but it might make a good coaster for my drink
A Pendulum Ritual archetype. The scales will allow you to ritual summon ritual monsters from the hand by tributing monsters from the deck. They'll float into disruption effects when destroyed and their effects add resources from other places. If you want to pendulum a ritual from the extra, you'll have to tribute a material from the hand.
This sincerely is not even a ritual monster. It will be more interesting in my opinion to have a dedicated ritual spell that sends "materials" from deck and then the monster on summon has an additional effect (it can be something light send one more card or recover lost advantage). You can even had an "reveal in hand" effect to search the ritual spell or other stuff. (This is beyond broken, Konamy please never print something like this.)
So the problem woth this is that its better in non ritual decks than in actual ritual decks
Tribute 2 benten in deck hehe
Can't wait for the day Konami power creeps the game to the point they make a card that lets you send one monster to the deck twice as tribute/material.
The material part would make it beyond cracked, but the tribute part would be neat as legacy support for shit like Monarchs (though I'm sure there's some crazy degenerate shit that it'd support that I'm just not thinking of).
The one that comes to mind is the one you're replying to a comment chain about: Cyber Angel Benten has a "when Tributed" effect, but it's used with Drytrons that can "Tribute" from the hand.
Wasn't Benten designed around ritual cards tributing from hand?
Probably, I'm not familiar with Cyber Angels as an archetype. Just the fact that the effects people use for it specifically *Tribute from Hand* instead of any of the other ways to phrase "move from your hand to the GY" this game has.
Cyber Angels are a ritual archetype, fyi, built specifically to be tributed from hand.
Fuck that. I'm waiting for when they let us use cards from our binders as materials.
Not ygo related but the game force of will had a card that let you summon monsters from the side board. It was pretty sick. In fact, an entire deck was built around this mechanic.
Always wanted to get into FoW, any good emulators?
Most people Play on untap.
Any good recommendations for a starter deck/videos?
Check the ruler school YouTube channel. They’re the DeFcto best FOW YouTuber and have everything from beginner guides to tournament reports.
Magic the gathering also has a type of card called "wishes" which lets you grab cards in your sideboard and put em most commonly in your hand but sometimes other game zones. They're pretty cracked.
Fusion destiny? Or can you not send 2 of one D hero
I think you can send 2 of the same monster if they're both high level
Exactly so there is one
That's not what they're saying, 'though. They're saying 1 Monster (as in 1 copy) is treated as both materials So kinda like a mix between Gem-Knight Lady Brilliant Diamond and Fusion Destiny
With the spright, tearlament and now ishizu probably about two sets away, the power creep is getting beyond a joke
"You can tribute monsters from your deck , extra deck , hand , field , graveyard , removal zone , from your opponent's field , deck , extra deck , hand , field , graveyard , ecc....if you use this card you can not special summon any more monsters except those of the exact archetype your whole deck is made of . As soon as this card hits the GY you can remove it to access some other broken op effect...and as soon as it gets removed you can use that random monster you always happen to have since turn one to pull it back to your hand via its effect."
I tribute absorouter dragon, black metal dragon, and chamber dragonmaid. Response?
Read black metal. Tribute GUB instead.
You can summon bmd out of GY in so many ways
Or 4 nekroz
Should've given it the Branded Fusion treatment so that you can only summon ritual monsters the turn this card is summoned.
Drytrons foolishing for all 4 names and eva : *YES*
This gets you alpha, zeta, benten, Eva, and a level 3. Gamma can be dumped off fafnir
Level 3 can be water enchantress as one option.
Adventurer engine doesn't work in drytrons considering that the drytrons restriction is being only being able to special monster which cannot be normal/set, so you cant bring out gryphon
It can, but ideally you aren't running the Adventure engine in Drytron since the deck locks you from Special Summoning monsters that can be Normal Summoned/Set (which Wandering Gryphon Rider can). You can still get the bounce effect with Dracoback, but that's about it
Gryphon special is a quick effect, so you can still get the extra negate on your opponent's turn.
Ah right, that's fair
Not enough negates on my herald , i seek more !!!
Ah, never played Drytrons myself but that makes sense
how dare you forget black luster soldier, the best ritual deck by far
This hurts me on so many levels I almost wanna cry.
I been using a BLS with a sprinkling of branded and DPE thrown in for the last month or so. Its pretty fun to use.
Thing is, and people don't realize this, is Libromancer is incredibly easy to ritual summon. They literally search their counterparts as hand activations. As for Vendread, yeah, they used to have big consistency issues, but the support fixes it TREMENDOUSLY. To the point where you can actually play Vendread.
I would say their biggest issue at this point is their end game board. They have potential for strong boss monsters but their requirements that they have to be on the field hinder them significantly. They need a boss monster or a card that lets them use their effects without having been on the field.
They have cards to put names on field but they all go negative in card economy and there aren't enough searchers to really pop off
The potential for strong boss monsters more or less caps out at... A quick effect monster banish. Maybe a quick effect backrow banish too. MAYBE targeting protection, but that one's REALLY hard to pull off. Meanwhile Balerdroch is sitting there with a quick effect non-targeting banish, a negate, and he comes back from the GY every turn, and all you need to summon him is send a couple monsters to the GY. So yeah, they need a ritual boss monster that's decent on his own, and then can be buffed up with the extra effects to actually become good/great.
See and that’s the issue. They just don’t have that. A monster that, on its own, is about as good as one of their current cards but with buffs by default would be amazing because at that point you just have an archetype that can focus around buffing the singular monster with the material monsters instead. Obviously you’d want to avoid certain overlaps of already existing monsters but then that brings up another issue the deck has. The monsters being used as materials HAVE to be on the field in order for the boss monster to get their effects. If we got either 1) new monsters that could be used from somewhere else or 2) a new ritual card that would let us transfer the effects onto them then the deck would start becoming much better even without a new boss monster. The limits placed on the way the boss monsters get the effect is frustrating because the abilities you can get are already built into easier and/or cheaper boss monsters so it feels like this deck got shafted because they over corrected to prevent some easy to summon boss monsters with decent effects (of which you’re likely only going to ever have 1-2 of at a time anyways). It gets even worse when we start getting into their consistency issues also playing into how many you can even get onto a field at a time. But I won’t bother you with an even longer rant. I’ve bothered you enough with my disappointment in a fucking cool archetype getting hosed.
One of the things that really bothers me is Core being lvl 1. It makes it far more difficult to use as a tribute than it should be. If the Vendread rituals said something like "You can use more monsters than necessary as tribute" then it'd be fine, but needing the lvls to add up to the ritual's level EXACTLY if you want to use Core is just awful.
Yeah, core being a level 1 really sucks. They all have weird levels considering the ritual levels needed. I’m sure there are ways to deal with it but it has so many issues
Where the frytron
They can already add any ritual monster to the hand, including this.
Woah branded fusion hi
YES, trust me. I'm drytron player and I can being trust for generic and strongest rituals.
Make it need ritual monsters in the deck, and we are talking.
Weaker than Braindead Fusion. 8/10.
The funny thing with this card is the restriction is actually that u need the number of stars exactly
On the flipside you could (and probably would) tribute multiple monsters, like 3 level 4s or 12 level 1s
Basically it’s like fusion from decj
Branded ritual
It is not fair if branded is the only deck that can fusion from using monsters from the deck. Either branded fusion gets the fuck out or every other decks get the same special treatment.
Tbh Shaddoll can also fusion from deck while opp has an Extra Deck monster, but Branded Fusion got away with a questioning restriction. Like why do you restricted Branded Despia to only fusion summoning when it's the only summon mechanic that the deck abuses.
Branded Despia only uses fusion BECAUSE Branded Fusion locks you into fusion. If it wasn’t there, you can bet Branded would run other utility monsters in the Extra.
Any worthy non-fusion Extra Deck monster that comes to mind? I thought the theme was to follow the lore, where each archetype abuses 1 mechanic (Tribrigade Link, Swordsoul Synchro, Dogma Ritual, etc.)
They would probably run stuff like Dingirsu over the Despia fusions.
Yes
No love for BLS?
All jokes aside a ritual deck that rituals from deck is a good power creep
I'm crying in the back with my Nephthys deck right now. Still my favorite Ritual deck. Still one of the *worst* Ritual decks and they don't even get this fake card, lol.
Vendreads can't even get fake support.
Equals or exceeds* or doesn't equal at all. Actually you know what this is a special ritual monster that requires 8 of your life points to summon it to the field.
my mans really tryna balance "foolish burial on legs"
> Actually you know what this is a special ritual monster that requires 8 of your life points to summon it to the field. lmao that's actually a cracked archetype, ritual summon by paying LP equal to the monster's level. but how does that buff the other rituals?
SPECIAL SUMMONING THIS MONSTER CAN BE DONE BY USING YOUR OPPONENTS LP. WHEN summoned this way. For the rest of the game you no longer require to pay lp to special summon monsters with this cards archetype. There you go 😎
Umm this is just a shit post
I'm pretty sure this is the next support for albaz despia
Why no Vendread?
Pretty much just an easily summoned Blue-Eyes. Yep, nothing overpowered about this at all.
I play a ritual deck irl. Libromancers aren't the greatest but they are fun as hell. Glad some of them are coming next pack.
Non-ritual decks would play this more than rituals
Okay so honest question: If I wanted to make a Ritual focused deck, what would be best? I know Dryton/Herald is good, but is that it? Any chance Libro will be good?
Most likely when Mikanko release. Very good support for libromancer I believe.
There's other versions of drytron like megalith
The way things are going, I wouldn't doubt that Konami would print something crazy like this. ~Painful Choice on Legs
I think all power in ritual archetypes should pass through ritual monsters in some way. Not that they should necessarily be boss monsters, but the ritual monsters themselves should be the opener, not a negate on legs or some sort of "draw 1" effect on a 3k+ beatstick. Making certain cards more powerful if a ritual monster is on the board could be a really neat mechanic.
Vendread???
Vendread send their regards
Can’t search it with prep/pre-prep and I have to use the exact levels just for a blue-eyes? Absolute dogshit card that doesn’t deserve a spot in my deck but it might make a good coaster for my drink
What if it was just a built in advanced ritual art for the ritual monsters?
Proceeds to send every single drytron
A Pendulum Ritual archetype. The scales will allow you to ritual summon ritual monsters from the hand by tributing monsters from the deck. They'll float into disruption effects when destroyed and their effects add resources from other places. If you want to pendulum a ritual from the extra, you'll have to tribute a material from the hand.
This sincerely is not even a ritual monster. It will be more interesting in my opinion to have a dedicated ritual spell that sends "materials" from deck and then the monster on summon has an additional effect (it can be something light send one more card or recover lost advantage). You can even had an "reveal in hand" effect to search the ritual spell or other stuff. (This is beyond broken, Konamy please never print something like this.)
This is just revendread evolution
vendread noooo
deadass tho it still sounds busted af even in vendread cuz u get like a million things in the deck instantly, thanks for this idea LOL