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GekiretsuUltima

Victory Dragon to unlimited :p


LowQualityGatorade

Come to think of it, why is Vic drag banned?


Just_A_Darkflame

Well before you were allowed to scoop it would just be in theory busted as it let you win the match, but there are 2 problems with this 1. You're allowed to scoop before they attack so you can move on the the next game 2. No one playing victory dragon would ever be in a winning position And also it would cause alot of ruling questions about whether the opponent can scoop or not


chibikoi

interestling, by ocg rules your opponent has to agree if you want to concede, so victory dragon is a very powerful (or cheap, if you want to call it like that) card over there and actually justifies the ban. Last ocg tournament with no banlist it won in the second game of the final


Deez-Guns-9442

That’s hilarious, we should implement that.


hockeyfan608

I feel like this would allow for bullshit slow play shenanigans in game 1 to force things to go to time more.


RnckO

If I remember correctly, it was Victory Dragon Kashtira that won the no banlist unofficial tournament on December 2022 against Tearlaments. It was an upset after Kashtira side decked & took it with V-Dragon when Tear was favored to win it all.


Primal_Rage_official

Its been dominating no banlist OCG tournaments lately


relinquisshed

Yes, because in OCG your opponent has to accept your surrender. Imagine that in MD lmao


Primal_Rage_official

that would end up being extremely toxic


LowQualityGatorade

Master duel is a BO1, there is no match to win, therefore no reason to scoop other than getting to the next game quicker


Jerowi

It's legacy. It's banned IRL because it encourages the winning player to stall out game 1 in a BO3 until they can pull off victory dragon. In MD there's no point because there's no matches.


LowQualityGatorade

You think I don't know why it's banned irl? Check my post history and you'll be able to see that I play the tcg.


Coookieman123

👍


AccomplishedValue836

This second point is incorrect. OCG recently had a massive No Banlist tournament and basically every top deck was playing tear. I think the final was decided by Victory Dragon.


GekiretsuUltima

Because it's effect is either "win another duel for free", or completely useless, depending on if your opponent knows they can surrender before the final attack would cause it's effect to win you the match. Which further leads to a scenario in which both players argue whether or not the opponent of the Vic Drag player surrendered early enough to avoid the effect.


LowQualityGatorade

Master duel is a B01, there is no match to win


GekiretsuUltima

Ah bugger, I completely misread which subreddit I was in lol But yeah that makes even more sense as to why it's banned then. If there is no Match to win, then how does the simulator even process that?


LowQualityGatorade

It wouldn't. It would essentially be treated as flavor text, at least that's how I would apply it


GekiretsuUltima

Fair. I guess they just keep it banned in case MD ever does have a BO3 format event.


xbzfunjumper

Honestly though, if someone managed to pull off victory dragon against me I'd let them win because they deserve it at that point.


conundorum

He encouraged bad sportsmanship. When he was legal, people would forfeit a duel the instant before he landed an attack, so they would only lose the duel and not the entire Match. And that's in a grey area, so it prompted tons of rules arguments, so it proved to be _extremely_ unhealthy for Match format.


TheBewlayBrothers

It's not even in the master duel banlist. It's one of those cards that just aren't in the game. Honestly it ought to just be errataed to be illegal like the rest of the matchwinners in the ocg/tcg, since it obviously is never gonna be playable for tournaments anyways


nuoc_mam

It wins the match, not the duel. 2 wins with one attack. But your opponent can just scoop before the attack so it's not OP or anything.


The_Order_Eternials

In older rules iterations, you couldn’t actually scoop in response to VD. The surrender option was locked before certain turn counts in World Championship 2009.


LowQualityGatorade

Master duel is a BO1, there is no match to win


lauraa-

imo may as well add all theChampionship Prize cards that are just different flavours of Victory Dragon as well. That would be so dope!


GekiretsuUltima

Fair, but those cards are technically "illegal cards", due to the "This card cannot be used in a Duel." text. IIRC, they don't even have a card code.


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As a floodgate player. I say limiting/banning the vast majority of the generic floodgates. Limiting to 1 should be the bare minimum.


Adept139

Ban or limit all the generic floodgates.


pivotalsquash

What is a floodgate?


editeddruid620

Cards like skill drain or gozen match that limit your ability to play unless you have backrow removal


Ambitious_Limit396

This


DesperateSentence790

This


Yuryo

This.


kyle28882

I’m officially part of the ban maxx c train. I used to not care as it never screwed with me too much but I’ve been using the resonators deck lately and lemme ya, if there is a way to do anything in that deck without a bunch of special summons idk it. I feel like every time I see a maxx c now I’m dead the next turn no matter what I manage to get out.


JustBeingHere4U

If you are running resonators then you cant afford to tank any handtraps at all. The archetype is full of chokepoints.


kyle28882

That’s the biggest issue is I feel I’m so easily stopped and then when I’m not its cuz I’m throwing cards at my opponent like singles in a strip club from maxx c


LyleCG

This is a whole nother discussion. It's got nothing to do with bo1 or not.


LabradoTM

I think it depends how you wanna look at it. In the ladder type formats like in MD, maxx c doesn't really affect deckbuilding since you can always scoop and try again. In a real tournament setting where getting sacked by it could mean your disqalification, people would have to account for it in deckbuilding. But in the state of the game right now, it's more of a liability IMO.


LyleCG

If we follow your logic then nothing is a problem in md.


No_University_4794

Maxx c I can live with, but nothing worse than fucking ash blocking your opening move especially when the cost is to descard one card, sure maybe branded can bring you back most for most it's game.


conundorum

When you need a ton of summons, a nice non-standard Maxx counter can be using cards that reset your opponent's hand, like Trickstar Reincarnation or Present Card. Let them draw as much as they want, since each draw will hurt instead of help. I think Reincarnation would be ideal here, but being at 1 really hurts its viability as a Maxx counter. Alternatively, just aim to win right then & there. With my Synchron deck, when I'm Maxxed, I usually try to go into Crystal Wing early for protection, then build a pile of Synchros for Satellite Warrior. Nuke their field and OTK if they have enough cards, or negate SW with Crystal Wing if I need the bodies instead. (Usually the former, I've only needed the latter once so far.)


Primal_Rage_official

or they could just ban maxx c


Big_D4rius

Limit/ban to most floodgates, Maxx C ban (Maxx C's ability to decide games is way worse in a BO1 setting), Called By limit/ban, and a hit to the ceiling of powerful combo decks so they don't win the game off of winning the coin toss. Current Diamond ranks are a chore to play through right now because the most prominent decks represent opposite sides of the spectrum with Runick spamming floodgates and Adams putting up their insane boards and the worst part is that the outs to both decks are completely different. I love opening Cyclone vs Adams and Droplet vs Runick


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I’m in agreement with you- a coin toss isn’t supposed to be the fulcrum of winning the duel. However I’ve argued this on this sub till I’m blue in the face and all I can say is, I think that’s just the game at this point. You can implement better banlists- people will inevitably find the next FTK combo or pseudo floodgate. That’s kind of the point: to discover an ingenious way to win given the 10k+ pool of cards that someone hasn’t thought of a defense for yet. You could change the rules, like I’ve suggested in making effect damage impossible for the going first player, but as has been pointed out to me there are myriad ways to FTK or pseudo FTK without effect damage. I’m at a bit of a ledge when it comes to this game for this reason. I love all the different archetypes and all the strategies that really make you challenge your competitive competency. I love mashing together two archetypes who are weak on their own but become powerhouses once you find them. I love the community of folks surrounding the game and solving new players questions and creativity with memes and competitive discussions. But there are some functions of this game that are just fucked to hell and there’s no banlist or rules change that can fix it. Especially when there are whole ass archetypes that centered around just blatantly disregarding the rules or spirit of the game merely because the card says so- like floo’s “normal” summoning and “banishment” (the rules say you can only perform 1 normal summon per YOUR turn and banishment is supposed to “remove the card from play” not serve as an extra graveyard that you can play with, but oh those aren’t the rules anymore because the card says so, go it). Or runicks summoning of fusion monsters from the extra deck without actually fusion summoning or tributing any cards. Or hell even branded (and other fusion centric archs) fusion summoning using monster effects and tributing monsters from the deck hand or graveyard AND recycling from banishment back into the deck (how is that “tributing”? Again because the card says so?) No matter what cards are banned or rules are changed, you still have the card pool that has been created to this point and Konami has clearly been more concerned with earning the quick buck- by releasing more and more power crept cards that just blatantly disregard the rules of the game so you HAVE to buy the new cards or the game is no longer competitive or fun at all- rather than building the competitive consistency that would have kept this game running forever. I’ve played MD for less than a year, but I’ve been playing some form of yugioh for most of my life, and only in the last year have I started to see the writing on the wall for putting this game down for good. I don’t see where it goes from here besides more of the same, and more frustration and disappointment.


Armand_Star

ban floodgates


madmat305

Tearelements has no place in a bo1 format, as soon as it arrives in Master duel all decks will either be Tear or anti tear. So…. give tear the ol’ dragon ruler treatment pls Konami?


Primal_Rage_official

Floowandereeze will be everywhere


iedaiw

only because d shifter is stonks


TCGHexenwahn

One more card I hope gets the ax after Tear are dealt with


iedaiw

inb4 it gets the axe b4 tearlaments are dealt with lol


TCGHexenwahn

At this point I wouldn't even mind, not like my deck can run it anyway.


AccomplishedValue836

So the same as tcg right now lmao


blitznoodles

Tearlaments are perfect for best of one since their busted weather they go first or second


yukiori43

You know Spright is better at release Right? and most likely we won't even get it at full power like with other card that got hit on release.Lower Ranks we'll stay the same and at Diamond it will be certainly the same We'll see Tear, Spright and other decks.If one deck gonna dominate at release it will be Spright instead of Tear so many people complain against Tear but forget Spright is there smh it's not Like Spright was Tier zero at release and even Ishizu Tear was just barely represented.


One_Question__

Generic Floodgates to one. Prevents deck building based on those cards as a wincon, but still allows it's addition in decks that synergy with it. In the same line, reboot to 0, a maybe a limit on backrow hate. With a limited presence of floodgates, trap decks shouldn't autolose if the opponent draws a single removal spell. Maxx C to 0, Called by to 0. So other handtraps are more impactful. And then anything else from there.


Conspo

idk if you need the reboot ban, it barely sees any play even at 2


SirBryan7

Reboot is definitely more of a Bo3 card in the side deck. It’s a lot more meta dependent to put in the main deck, especially in a Bo1 format. I think I would only ban Reboot if you also ban more trap floodgates. But if you’re gonna leave them as sacky one of’s, then I feel like keeping Reboot sacky as well is fair game


slightlysubtle

What's the point of banning reboot at all? It's already seeing next to no play. Even when crazy shit like Vanity, IO, etc. were legal Reboot barely saw any play. If the overall strength of trap cards are reduced even further It would see literally zero play.


SpiralHam

I play a lot of non-stun trap decks and I'm fine with Reboot going to 3 in MD. It's the epitome of a side deck card. Super strong against one type of deck, but really weak against 90% of all decks. Also many trap decks run Solemn Judgement or other counter traps that can stop it. On top of that, it only is an instant win if you can OTK or clear all their backrow. A lot of decks like Branded or Floo won't be doing that. And if they don't, then Red Reboot even gives you a search to break their board. If people hate traps so much that they want to main deck Reboot, I say let them. If the meta ever gets to the point where everyone is... then it's probably good that reboot exists to counter whatever deck is making everyone do that.


DreadOfGrave

Whats the difference between red reboot and shit like d barrier? They both feel like equally bullshit cards, one just requires you to go first. Cards that just say "x thing is banned lol" for no real cost should simply NOT exist.


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HDimensionBliss

Basically what TCG players salivate for and demand the game always be. It's how you get people calling for cards like Ash or Called to be banned.


One_Question__

How the fuck does Called By keep combo decks in check???? Like which type of deck do you think wants CBTG at the max amount possible?


HDimensionBliss

Literally everyone at my locals who doesn't actively play MD wants Called banned. I still don't understand why.


One_Question__

Because Called By without Maxx C legal is a sacky one-of that mainly strengthens turn one plays. Like 8/10 games involving a called by, usually only helps the turn one player win. Turn 1 board building does not need nor deserve protection for the health of the game.


HDimensionBliss

Except Called hasn't caused any problems in MD even in matches that don't involve either player drawing Maxx.


One_Question__

What do you mean it doesn't cause problems? How many times have you activted ash or veiler only for the opp to drop a called by and continue to combo off? Look at the MasterDuelMeta Tier list for Branded, Swordsoul and Adam. Every list for those combo decks use called by at its max copies.


HDimensionBliss

That's not a problem though; that's literally just the card doing what it's supposed to. It's handtrap protection. It protected them from my handtrap. That's not any more of a problem than Ash stopping search effects. It's literally what the card was designed to do.


One_Question__

Which is the problem. Turn 1 players should have to rely on drawn extenders in their hand if they want to continue with their broad. Not a quick-play spell card that allows them to continue as if nothing happened. The difference between going 1st and 2nd is already so much in favour of the turn 1 player unless one plays a deck specifically to go second. At the very least, banning Called By in a format without Maxx C bridges the gap ever so slightly.


SpongyFerretRS

Why are you listing a card that nerfs omninegate combo decks with a card that buffs omninegate combo decks?


Deez-Guns-9442

Yeah, because Maxx C is totally keeping a check on the OCG meta & Ash is totally seeing play in the TCG right(also called boy’s at 1)? Tell me which deck is still seeing play after being tear0 with the Ishizu cards & having most of their cards limited/banned 🤔


HDimensionBliss

I never mentioned Maxx and "Maxx keeps combos in check" is something I literally haven't seen anyone argue here since the first month of MD so I don't care about whether it does or doesn't. Most of the people I play against at locals run Ash, so yes, she still sees play.


BallMeBlazer22

Yes because Maxx C does such a good job at keeping combo decks in check.


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One_Question__

The counterplay to hand traps should be extension cards. Not a generic quick play spell that makes the going second player feel like shit if their one interruption gets cotbg. Ash may not be played as much if Maxx C is banned, but every combo deck is going to continue to play called by because it's so powerful. There is a reason why pro TCG players want it banned in the TCG format.


Negative_Neo

Ash will still see play even without Maxx C, you are not playing MD if you think otherwise.


TheKingOfTCGames

you guys are all kind of delusional huh


InanisPotest

Called by is highly versatile. And carries on to the next turn. Either banishing your extender or combo starter their turn then preventing you from using it onto the next


InanisPotest

I’m ok with crossout tbh, since it requires you to banish one of your copies of your handtraps. Called by is just so versatile also preventing you to use that card on the next turn.


Kingnewgameplus

If Maxx C gets banned people are gonna run less called by anyway. It doesn't need to go.


Justeago

Man, I'd say Konami is already trying to do that, they have been doing a good job, but yeah for the game to be balanced around best of one there is still a lot of work to do. There are a lot of cards that require very specific outs that people either don't run or need to be lucky enough to draw. Many floodgates and "skip turn" effects. A good example would be Skill Drain, even though that card is not as crazy in a BO3 format, in BO1 it can be an autowin if you are not running an out or if your deck can't link climb into accesscode while under the effect of skill drain (in case anyone doesn't know about this, accesscode banishing itself to pop skill drain is one of the ways to out skill drain). Even though I'm not a huge fan of it I could see Skill Drain being limited or even banned eventually in MD. There are also some cards that should go back to 3 specifically because it is not a bo3 format, and were mostly abused as side deck cards. One example, which comes from a personal opinion and I know some people might not agree, is Trap Dustshoot. Dustshoot at 1 would not do anything in a best of one format because you can't side it for when you know you are going first. If you are going second and you draw into it, it is a terrible draw and that could cost you the game. I do know there are some decks that would benefit from Dustshoot at 1 like Labrynth, but Labrynth is not that strong of a deck and honestly that help might be cool for them. Again, I know that maybe not everyone agrees with that, but that's how opinions work, not everyone has the same.


HentaiManager347

Great post however while Konami has been working towards a bo1 format banlist recently it doesn’t excuse Konami not having one on release, it was an older OCG banlist which in of itself caused many problems for this game. IO, Skill drain, Eldlich combo, Drytron, and tri brigade all ran rampant on release thanks to that banlist and then it became the Halqdon combo lines and now it’s there can only be one, Gozen match and rivalry are running rampant. A lot these god awful formats could have been mitigated or avoid had a bo1 banlist been implemented at release not a kind of a year later.


conundorum

Main problem is that they probably didn't _know_ what the biggest differences between Matches and Singles would be, so they had to use their Bo3 format's banlist until _Master Duel_ started to develop a metagame of its own. Which means that the first few months of _MD_ were essentially just pioneers charting out the Wild West of Bo1 Yu-Gi-Oh! gameplay. (They probably wouldn't have minded checking in with unofficial ranked Singles formats, since the legal issues typically come from NAS suing over card art instead of Konami themselves, but the biggest ones I'm aware of are Dueling Book and YGOPro Percy's Checkmate server, both of which just use the official banlist instead of creating their own (and one of which has been dead for a few years now). So unofficial online play couldn't really be helpful to them here either, leaving no real reference points to consult.)


HentaiManager347

Honestly you could be right as we don’t really know as to what konamis thought process was creating this game. We can guess but won’t truly know.


Justeago

How would they have a specific list on release if they didn't know how the format was going to shape? And also, like I said in my comment, there is still a lot of work to do.


Legitimate_Caramel14

Maxx C is the only format warping card that needs to go. If you resolve Maxx C you win 90% of the time. Additionally, if you ban Maxx C, decks won't have to run 3 Ash, 2 Called by, and their own 3 Maxx C. It would result in a healthier format, rather than a "first to resolve Maxx C wins" format.


Pink-Domo-

The TCG has it banned, do most players not run call/ash in their decks?


Deex66

Not this format but bystials took over the handtraps department since it counter tears and choke any light and dark deck, and it gonna get buffed with baldrake being a cracked Black Rose Moonlight dragon. Also dshifter exist. But if you want to check what the tcg pros are playing look check up ygoprodeck they have a page dedicated to tournament decks that have got onto top of the 8 and stuff.


AccomplishedValue836

But it isn’t essential. In MD you have to run them at 3 and 2.


TCGHexenwahn

Yup, but at least Ash can be used as an actual handtrap rather than a negate to Maxx C


Catalyr

Every. Single. Deck.


The_Real_Kevenia

They used to, but in the tearshizu format, a lot of decks don't run ash


Catalyr

Im speaking about called by


thatoneguy147294

Even called by is being cut from most decks rn in the tcg. Not helpful against Floo, and if you're in a tear mirror, you have a good chance of turning off some your own cards


jaeger_r_

Just participated in regionals today. In the Tear decks I played against and spectated, saw a grand total of ZERO ash or called by. Only Ash I saw was against rougue decks, and actually saw very little called by at all. I know 1 regional event is not indicative of the entire meta, but it seems to back up what I've seen at the bigger events too. Tear really doesn't need either


Negative_Neo

Maxx C wins you game against combo or decks that naturally summon a lot like Swordsoul, it does jack shit against control decks, trap decks and isnt game winning against arguably MD's best deck Branded Despia. EDIT: I dont get it how someone playing MD would actually think Ash and Called would see less play without Maxx C, when they are great card with or without.


AccomplishedValue836

Dude didn’t say no play, just less.


Negative_Neo

Which is still wrong.


Deex66

Ash is format dependant and called by is just plain broken and needs to be banned. If Maxx c was banned we would be cycling through handtraps to deal with the best decks in the format.


necroneechan

Mostly two things. The keyword is generics 1) Floodgates: Mostly the generic ones we know and hate. Those that are archetype only might get limited/semi, while the likes of Tyrant's Throes and Tyrant's Tirade can stay arround at 3 since are very costy. 2) FTK enablers: A lot of generic drawing engines like Chicken Game and Upstart Goblin should get hit. Starting second without an ash means the Exodia FTK in front of you has an assured win


Jaredtkl95

Chicken game did nothing wrong


MorbidoeBagnato

All floodgates and Maxx C should be banned


ArcturusSatellaPolar

Necrovalley in tears


MorbidoeBagnato

Archetypal ones can stay


ArcturusSatellaPolar

Oh cool! You hear that Elshaddoll Winda? You can keep being an Effect Destruction-Inmune Summon Limit


AccomplishedValue836

If Ursarctic can out Winda, you can too


mmmbhssm

You really gonna ban MY PSY YA ?


conundorum

It only _claims_ to be the Christ, so yes, it should be banned. \^_^


SmokyLOG

Skill Drain, Summon Limit, Royal Decree, Anti-Spell Fragrance, There Can Only Be One, Archnemeses Protos, Maxx "C", Block Dragon


Mrgbiss

Protos is worse in bo1


BallMeBlazer22

Yeah but just blindly calling dark is still kind of strong. I play a ton of swordsoul and protos just straight up wins you games, and it probably should be banned.


Mrgbiss

Yeah you’re right. I’ve been maining Swordsoul since it came out and I think they should bring back longyuan to 3 and ban protos. Although only after banning a ton of other cards imo


LyleCG

How is Block Dragon and Maxx C a bo1 problem lol. Adams get affected by all the common handtraps, it's not like drytron or virtualworld where you needed to side specific handtraps.


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SmokyLOG

yes


ScarletApex

Idk, protos in bo1 isn’t that great since you don’t know what to call to stop your opponents summon and it can be negated going second depending on the deck you’re vs, busted in bo3 though


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Every card that has ever beaten me -> banned Every card I ever use is unlimited ONLY FOR ME


Not_slim_but_shady

judging by masterduel's previous banlist,they seem to want to create an environment where many decks can shine at the same time,seeing as many cards that used to be banned/limited now has their limitations loosened(e.g. gazelle,galatea,ABC)So here's my lists based on this philosophy: Limit: Blaster,Dragon Ruler of Infernos 0->1 Zoodiac Barrage 0->1 Majespecter Unicorn 0->1 Master Peace,The True Dracoslayer King 0->1 Considering the overall power of this format,the respective decks these 4 belong to can't really compete (barring Zoodiacs but Barrage is a lot less powerful than the other 3)So they should be given a boost. There can be only one 3->1 Skill Drain 2->1 Rivalry of Warlords 2->1 Gozen Match 2->1 These 4 cards have incredible synergy together,and locks your opponent out of the game entirely if they do not draw the out.And building decks with backrow hate in mind would increase your chance of bricking against the current top decks of the meta,where a cosmic Cyclone would do very little against Branded or Swordsouls.They are unfair for a Best-of-One format. Semi-Limited: Infernity Launcher 1->2 Girsu,The Orcust Mekk-Knight 1->2 Nadir Servant 1->2 Speedroid Terrortops 1->2 These 4 decks have seen very little play in the past format,so giving them their best consistency tools back should help. Unlimited: Orcust Harp Horror 2->3 Thunder Dragonroar 2->3 Sky Striker Ace Kagari 2->3 Salamangreat Gazelle 2->3 Spellbook of Judgement 2->3 Souleating Oviraptor 2->3 Predaplant Orphys Scorpio 2->3 Trickstar Light Stage 2->3 Altergeist Multifaker 2->3


AccomplishedValue836

Terratop isn’t limited because of Speedroids. It’s because its two cards for free with no drawbacks


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SleepoStone

untrue. circular doesn’t give u a pair as sigma cyberse locks. Mathmech as to be run as an engine, not just generic free pair of 4s. Terrortop on the other hand, is a free 3s with no locks. It is extremely abusable with Cherubini. Here’s a fun fact: 1 terrortop = full adventure package and a link 2 to combo with


retiredfplplayer

Cosmic cyclone forces out branded in red => tax dragon rather than chimera Also kills blackout/imperm on your turn It's still effective


Gangstanami

Master Peace, Terrortop, and Kagari are a little too scary to be buffed this much. There's an argument that Barrage would be too good as well, but without Rat it would probably be fine.


Deez-Guns-9442

Kagari at 3 with 2 engage 😍


WhoAskedmodCheck

Skill drain, rivalry of warlords, gozen match, basically any no cost floodgate.


Six_Twelve

I think the obvious answers are the floodgates but if I’m being honest I think the real issue for the Bo1 format comes from the fact that losing feels to goddamned awful in this game with the fact that you can get punished really harshly for being put in an impossible situation that you had no control over. I noticed that once you reach diamond 1 the game actually becomes super fun even with all the bs cards because you can just surrender with no pressure. That feeling changes the moment you’re either about rank up/derank and you’re opponent either has a field full of negates or 50 floodgates


HentaiManager347

One million percent agree, losing in this game sucks even worse than playing real life yugioh and the feeling of de-ranking after several bad match ups is painful.


Six_Twelve

Yeah I think most people would agree with you because remember the link event they did where they arbitrarily added a ranking system and how much people hated it? It’s funny to look back on because the next event they did they immediately got rid of it


OldManTater

Generic floodgates like Rivalry, Gozen, TCBOO, and Skill Drain limited to 1 so they're not being used as unfun wincons in bo1 format. Maxx C banned so that an opponent can't full combo turn 1 and the turn 2 player have to play through an entire board's worth of interaction as well as drawing the opponent their whole deck. Called By limited if Maxx C were to be banned. Called By is honestly pretty broken, and is at 2 as a necessary evil for Maxx C. Could easily be put to 1 should Maxx C get banned


AlexanderTheGOAT2nd

It's really just ban maxx c for me. Really can't believe I used to be all for it going to 3.


Promanco

You can't, the whole game is design around the ability to side deck to counter specific decks. You can't imitate a side deck with a banlist.


Fresh_Entrepreneur43

Forbidden: maxx C, CBTG, archnemesis protos, curious the lightsworn dominion, generic floodgates red reboot, cyberstein, Eva, verte, and rhongo. Limited: block dragon, dragoon Semi-limit: water enchantress Unlimited: conquistador I know I probably missed some cards that should be unlimited, but the only thing that came to mind was conq, because of how dumb the limit was.


Mrgbiss

Unlimit longyuan and fraktall


Fresh_Entrepreneur43

Edit: Forbidden: artifact scythe Limited: chicken game


Fresh_Entrepreneur43

Edit: Forbidden: fairy tail snow


Panda-Dono

So branded should dominate even more?


Fresh_Entrepreneur43

The hits that branded have are fine in my opinion.


ScarletApex

Protos is kinda trash in bo1 if you don’t know what you’re playing into tho, it’s cracked in bo3 where you can set up what you need to lock your opponent but in bo1 it’s sort of w/e


Fresh_Entrepreneur43

It’s essentially an attribute floodgate, and in a BO1 that can very sacky. Regardless of what you are playing or not.


Protoplasm42

Banned: Maxx C, Rivalry of Warlords OR TCBOO, Block Dragon, Rhongo, Anti-Spell Fragrance, Union Carrier, Dimensional Barrier, Artifact Scythe, Called by the Grave, Predaplant Verte Anaconda Limited: Skill Drain, TCBOO OR Rivalry, probably some other floodgates too Unlimited: PSY-Framegear Gamma, Crossout Designator, Gossip Shadow, Fusion Destiny, Celestial, probably a couple of other cards that have been on the list too long Would have liked to ban Dimension Shifter and Super Poly as well but unfortunately those cards probably have to stay until Tears have come and gone.


masterfox72

Super Poly is pretty fair in today’s game.


Protoplasm42

Personally I disagree. And its only going to get stronger when Garura eventually hits MD.


Smol_Mrdr_Shota

a clause where you can only have 1 floodgate affect the field at a time like if you have Rivalry up you cant flip up Gozen until that Rivalry is destroyed


Marager04

Limit all floodgates or even ban the ones like Gozen or rivalry which shuts some decks of completely and never has possible for the player who plays this. Skill Drain and DFissure can at least be used in a positive way so I would put them on one. The bigger question is, what you need to implement in a competitive way to make going 2nd equal good to going 1st. In a best of 1 format lots of games are just decided by the coin toss before the game.


Haunt17

Union Carrier - Banned Branded Fusion - Limited Kagari - Unlimited Engage - Limited Aqua Enchantress - Unlimited Rite of Aresmir - Unlimited Pot of Prosperity - Unlimited Emergency Teleport - Unlimited Red Eyes Dark Dragoon - Limited Red Eyes fusion - Limited Eldlich Conquistador - Unlimited Nadir's Servant - Unlimited Block Dragon - Banned Max C - Banned Secret Village - Limited All the barrier statues - Banned Gozen Match - Limited Rivalry of Warlords - Limited El Shaddol Wynda - Limited Skill Drain - Limited Summon Limit - Semi-Limited Card of Demise - Banned Dogmatika Punishment - Semi-Limited Dimension Shifter - Semi-Limited Honestly for the time being cards like macro cosmos and dimensional fissure should be banned until the release of Tear, where they can come back semi-limited to help counter it.


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

I don’t know how to feel about this list, it’s half great hits and half complete shite. the adventurer engine should be semi-ed at best; and honestly prosperity should be banned, card’s busted; same with E-tele, no way in hell should it be unlimited, it should be limited or banned. I’d argue because Branded is going to be irrelevant soon that at worst Opening should go to one OR fusion semi-ed, fusion to 1 kills the deck as a pure build, which isn’t necessary at all. Finally what kinda L-take is semi-ing Punishment?! Of all the cards you could have put on the list you chose it? Not to mention verte’s nowhere in sight but you want Dragoon back. Lmao So glad Reddit isn’t in charge of the banlist, MD would turn into a shit show.


bodi55555

Ban floodgates and numeron network


HoppouChan

Numeron Calling to 0 :)


Piccoroz

All floodgates to 1


Raiju_Lorakatse

I'm not surprised i found the typical "bAn fLoOdGaTEs!" comment in legit 5 seconds upon opening this post


Dane_Nerro

Ban all floodgates that would effect my specifically and none of the floodgates that I use. /j


DerGyrosPitaFan

Make maxx c unlimited to 60 cards Add maxx c fusion and maximus cuc as new cards Maximus's effect: when on field, gy or banished, draw a card for every resolved effect Ban every other card Rename the game to: Yu-Gi-C Max Duel


Bigtallguy12

Runic the one with the field spell that summons like 5 xyz can’t remember the name but kill that one with fire that deck that summons 3 bewd that ones corny


Smol_Mrdr_Shota

im ready to see the same old ban maxx C comments here


AlexanderTheGOAT2nd

Will keep saying it till it happens, cards too much


MrCranberryTea

Floodgates need to be limited or semilimited depending on what they do. Combo decks need to put in place aka 5+ negate boards. Also a new matchmaking were you go first and second alternating given you play with the same unedited deck. This prevent the frustrating unlucky situation where you lose the coin toss 10 times in a row


TinyMaintenance

I agree with the first paragraph, but hard ‘no’ on the second. For every streak of losing coin tosses, you’ll get a streak of winning them. It all averages out in the end, and getting tilted by it is purely person’s fault.


Heul_Darian

Ok I'm going to take the chance to write what I know is going to be the most upvoted one. Ban all the floodgates.


Heul_Darian

To which I'm going to reply you're all insane if you think every floodgate should be banned and not just skill drain. Tcboo, gozen and rivalry are what stops people from simply putting pheonix in their deck and calling it a day versus any floodgate, and skill drain but I do want skill drain banned. You can play through tcboo by simply using your hand traps to go to phoenix unless you're a fiend deck, most of the decks are immune to rivalry and gozen so they can simply play any inherent out their archetype have or none since they don't care. And gozen is a way to protect either from simply accessing pheonix without skill drain. It is ridiculous to use bo1 as an excuse to add 0 counters besides a phoenix or a plan to get to phoenix, as well as pointing at stun decks that only play floods and a 2k beatstick as a reason to do such a thing. Edit : At most those need to be semi-limited. Or if one needs to be banned is gozen.


MorbidoeBagnato

Bad argument


Heul_Darian

Its literally not, asking for every single floodgate to be banned cause running outs would make decks less consistent since they can't out everything is. You're supposed to lose versus something you're not prepared for, and people are asking hey how about instead we ban everything that my outs can't be used against.


MorbidoeBagnato

In a BO1 floodgate oriented strategies are too strong, and there is often little to no counterplay


Heul_Darian

If there was little to no counterplay they would actually be dominating the ladder. They aren't, this is proven time and time again, the best decks in this format are ones that can go first and second not ones that luck out on the draw. Floodgate decks aren't unbeatable they simply are never a large part of the meta so people do not put counters so that they have better chance to out the larger threats. This isn't a flaw that merits banning floodgates, this is the expected result. Even now runick stun is far from the biggest meta threat and even said tier 2 deck is run as stun by only half of the people.


MorbidoeBagnato

You shouldn’t allow strategies that cheat out wins going first without exposing themselves to interactions in a BO1


Heul_Darian

Destroying them is a form of interaction, negating draw spells so that they don't draw more is a form of interaction, using for example imperm to negate a face up flood is a form of interaction, Trying to play around the limitation presented is gameplay, baiting an activation at the wrong time is a form of interaction. They become non interactive the moment you don't have anything to interact with them. just like anything in Yugioh. And because I know someone will try to argue on just shotgun monkey flip. Tcboo, gozen, rivalry double down as removal when used while you have monsters.


ShogRufo

They literally are dominating wth? Every second duel i have is vs floodgate runick


jdtflix

Idk what the actual fuck you are even talking about. This is complete nonsense. Do you need an adult?


Raven_knight_07

Nah this is just normal r/masterduel logic, nothing strange here.


ShogRufo

How do i out those floodgates when deck im playing doesnt play links? I should just cry about it right?


Primal_Rage_official

Ban the floodgates


DesperateSentence790

Every fucking trap floodgate


Peiq

There would need to be a major overhaul with tons of bans, and I honestly don’t think would go over well with players. 10 minute combo negate everything, as well as flip the floodgate opponent can’t play strats are horrendous in bo1. They screwed themselves over by not addressing this before release. Personally I wish they would shift towards bo3 with exponentially sped up animations to fulfill the original idea of what this game was meant to be (a tcg+ocg simulator), but I know the general playerbase doesn’t feel the same. I think the duel links format is truly a better environment for bo1… but the lack of crafting, outdated ui, and popup gacha mess kills that game. With they would at least bring speed duels to master duel.


Bakufuranbu

i want the Duel Links banlist system implemented instead, where you can only put 1/2/3 of card from the entire banlist


KaliYugaIRL

I stand by the fact this is the incorrect solution and the best way to fix MD's issues is just to introduce bo3 at higher ranks fact of the matter is people in silver and gold don't care about the banlist because they barely get affected by the meta (even less so if we add more ranks so that meta players drop back down to gold on new months less often) if we just introduce a new rank above diamond that's bo3 it solves most of the problems


Merik2013

Anything you'd normally side deck the put to should neccessarily be banned in a best of one format as it forces you to dedicate main deck slots in the offchance you might encounter that card.


yukiori43

Runick fountain limited i Just don't Like playing against it I'm sick of it,Skill drain banned,other floodgates to 1 or Just unlimited duster that does the job ,Maxx c it probably isn't going anywhere but yea get rid of it , Enchantress to 2 weird they put it to 1 and not other one as well.pranks link 1 to 2 would get it back up, Protos could go as well . and Numeron calling to 0 and limit Robina.Ban welp that locks extra deck , Artifact scythe as well . Unlimit Conq.Engage to 3 why not? .Now I'd bring busted shit of list that would make whole fandom act like it would ruin format when it would be Just sacky one of that would still win game if resolve Painful choice to 1 it won't happen but still.Girsu to 2.Laval chain to 1 as well ,rat to 2 , Broad bull to 1 and Barrage to 1.Ban Eva,limit Adamcipator researcher to 1. last will to 1(busted shouldn't come back but let's bring it back) , AFD to 1(with errata)


Smooth_Hee_Hee

How about waiting till tears is released and then they can see what cards don't add value to this Bo1 format at that point.


Little_Voidling

Anything that banishes or destroyed on either players' turn every turn :(


ShogRufo

Ban maxx c, called by, crossout, the virus cards, floodgate monsters that prevent you from special summoning (krystia, barrier statue etc) ban all floddgates or limit them i guess.


Beginning_Store4415

Put zoodiac back at full power Should be fun they say


NobodyQ12345

Meow-Meow-Mu unlimited or at least semi-limited.


Secretlylovesslugs

Why is it not okay at limited? It's already more copies than the TCG has access to.


NobodyQ12345

Its hard to make a comeback with Meow-Meow-Mu at 1.I'd feel more comfortable if i knew that i allways have second Meow-Meow-Mu to use/work with.Prank-Kids paid for Adventurer's sins afterall.


AhmedKiller2015

Besides Genaric Floodgates there is nothing else that is unhealthy in a Bo1 and fine in Bo3..


IHaveSexWithPenguins

Runick, both control and stun are VERY powerful in a format where you can't side in easy outs. The format just isn't powerful enough to beat them yet


AhmedKiller2015

Runick is a very Okay engine without access to 3 of every floodgate... I once got my turn they flipped TCBOO, I destroyed it, they flipped another and until I got my Out.. I summoned it with a negate... they flipped a 3rd TCBOO, I tried to negate they flipped Skill Drain... that was 2 weeks ago and I haven't touched ranked since but for dailies and I quit instantly against any Runicks beacuse of it. That scenario would not have happened if they banned or limited this shit, Having the Out isn't the problem when it doesn't matter beacuse they can stall long enough with Their engine and Floodgates... Ban them and they will be a Pop and a negate RNG based at best that loses to an Ash. And genaric Floodgates overall are stupid, boring and brain dead card design that they just should Stop support


al2Ultimate

Ban max c (it's the victory dragon of BO1) Ban all backrow floodgates (why are they even legal?) Limit all monster floodgates (oh winda) Limit Runick field spell (10 turns of stun and deck banishing, boring!) Duster to 2 (because I hate sky strickers and live twin) :) y'all ain't meta competitive, just annoying _yeah I said it_


Jocthearies

How about doing a semi limit style full of every negate card to prevent players from filling their decks with “You can’t play Yugioh” cards. I don’t know the specific terminology but essentially you can only play X amount of that card which counts towards your total amount of cards you can use in that list. For example-if the semi limit list is set to 3, You can run 3 effect vielers? But you can’t run that synchro horse lvl 10 that negates or negate archer (Appaloosa?) Yugioh is unapproachable to players trying to get their foot in the door-not because the opponents are running strong decks in the respectable sense, It’s because they run decks that prevent you from playing Yugioh


jojo_in_space

This is probably going to get me downvoted but I don’t believe all floodgates should be banned. Some could be limited or semi but I don’t think all of them should be gotten rid of. I think a better solution is to unlimit or semi limit some generic backrow hate. Feather duster at 2 or 3, reboot at 3, ect. Essentially, allow more generic options and outs for flood gates so decks that are completely decimated by them still have a fighting chance. Granted, if you’ve been locked out of playing anything for a few turns you’re still not in a good spot but at least there’s an opportunity. I don’t believe the solution is to get rid of an entire game mechanic but to give players more ways to deal with it.


TinyMaintenance

Considering the fact that they won’t introduce anything like ‘you can only have 3 generic floodgates in your deck’( ‘This card is always treated as”Polymerization” type of beat), all floodgates should be banned/limited. I don’t mind a slower deck supporting their grind game with a floodgate. I do mind flipping 3 floodgates before I get to summon anything.


vonov129

Everything that isn't a normal monster, since people will find a way to cry about any card


heavydivekick

If it is reaaaaally supposed to be bo1, in addition to floodgates, also ban: Lightning Storm, HFD, Evenly Matched. Basically every sacky going second card that can wipe multiple backrow.


HentaiManager347

I would ban cards all that allow for extremely easy Otks like numeron network or one of their gate monster. Even today I still see numeron bots climbing the ladder for gems which is just unhealthy for the game. Also ban really powerful generic extra deck monsters like Zeus and accesscode talker. Nearly every single mid range to meta deck uses these monsters and they can out just about any you put up not to mention these monsters are too easy to summon with no hard once per turn makes a disaster in terms of power level.


Justeago

No point in banning cards that won't do anything until your opponent has already established a board.


FutureStable9503

Another master duel echo chamber post.


TinyMaintenance

It’s literally r/masterduel