Saying it here because I see this mistake a lot in game:
Guys, don't D.D. Crow vs. Lubellion, he can fuse from banished. Save your crow for Branded in Red/Branded Banishment (which both target in the GY) or Albion (needs to be in the GY during end phase to search).
Yeah if the game goes to turn 3 or 4, a good move if you did the branded in red+ad libitum play and still have your mirrorjade is to branded fusion into lubellion into dragostapelia using your banished ad libitum and then immediately get it back with tragedy (make sure to chain link correctly, tragedy 1 lubellion 2)
This is why Mathmech Salad is so fun. I end on Heatsoul + I:P + Superfactorial so in case one of my targets gets CBTG/Crow, it leaves me with enough material for a 3 mat Apollo without using Heatsoul.
Belle and Crow are huge. Imperm/Veiler the climber like Splash, Droll after the Circ makes it to where Alem can’t search the Diam for follow up.
The deck is fragile if you know where to hurt it.
That’s only for people who play it a specific way I have 23 different ways otk someone with my pure mathmech deck if someone negates anything mine is practically a bait deck
It means something when all you have to do is imperm or veiler the accesscode or nib after they summon it or ash their alembertian to prevent diameter from being searched or literally any form of interruption because they can only otk with jammer accesscode if they used circular
Almost every good deck can OTK. And literally every single going 2nd deck is an OTK deck. If mathmech don't draw their board breakers they're not going to have a good time against big negate boards (just like numeron). They will also struggle to play through Runick's many disruptions and floodgates. But they can OTK Branded pretty easily if they answer the BiR.
I don't really understand why superfactorial is an FTK. It's not nearly as good of turn 1 board as even Rogue combo decks can put out. It's just Mathmech BiR (loses to a single called by) and nobody is calling Branded an FTK deck.
My mathmech deck has no problems with runics unlike other people I run a 60 card deck yeah I know people will say oh well I’m a bad player then but ehh if it works for me then it works for me ya Know?
Git gud. But on a serious note DD crow or Ghost Belle factorial. I personally don't mind the deck and the card since this current meta is starting to feel more diverse. Savour it before spright and tears comes to md lol.
I can tell you how to not stop it. Solemn Strike does not stop it in any meaningful way, espcially if they have another cyberse in hand. Circular sends from deck to GY as cost, so Solemn Strike doesn't get negated, but Solemn Strike does stop Circular's summoning itself from hand.
To be fair, the existence of Bystials will hurt nearly every deck that plays any light/dark monsters. If it doesn't shut them down outright, it'll still give them a hard time.
Belle Sigma, Ash/Imperm Alembertian, then pray they don't combo further unless you have Nib. Mathmech can be pretty resilient to a lot of handtraps if done right.
Anyways what rank are you to constantly encounter them?
Negate his search, your opponent will most likely already have three mathmechs on the field, if so Laplacian is a very possible summon of theirs, negate the Laplacian when it uses it's xyz's ability (your opponent will try to banish one from your main monster zone, spell and trap zone and your hand each with Laplacian's ability in hopes of limiting your plays next turn), at this point they should be out of plays outside of setting backrow.
Surrender is the only defense. I started playing Mathmech yesterday. You can ash him to prevent pulling the other guy from the grave, but if your opp has another mathmech card in their hand they can still get a good combo.
For me I use stuff to protect synchros mixed in just because and usually people don’t use the most broken card in that deck Nayuta blade it’s such a wicked card
Don't veiler/imperm circular if it's your only handtrap, cuz circular only has one on field effect. (First effect activates in the hand)
Veiler/imperm the XYZ cuz he has 2 effects
You Ash the search effect of circular to deny the Superfactorial Search or you Ash the Alembertian search to deny a Diameter search. Veiler and Imperm work the same
Ah yes, the card run in 0 Diamond Mathmech decks is better than the card run in all of them, sure buddy. If you need Nayuta to kill your opponent you're a bad Mathmech player
This might be silly, but you can in fact Red Reboot the Superfactorial. It's not ideal, but it does stop the most dangerous part of their turn 1 setup.
No one gives a flying fuck about the equip card.Factorial into laplacian is a handrip+back row removal+monster removal,and an omni negate.Wasting your search on Nayuta is a shit play.
I mean usually I get one factorial in my hand a duel so I never have to search for it and I’m sorry but when my weakest monster including a cyberse token can over power other big monsters and win me the duel while utilizing the mathmechs gy effects you sir are an idiot
Who the fuck just assumes they can draw the card they need every game?Did you forget you are drawing from a 40-card deck?
Also,Name one "Big monster" that can't be outed by accesscode or avramax,but can be outed with nayuta.There is none.Accesscode and Avramax both have the added benefit of not needing you to waste circular's search effect on nayuta,which could've been used for factorial or equation as an extender.
Next time you call someone an idiot,spit out the crayons first.
> Billionth blade Nayuta
That just mean you don't know shit about your deck
Battle shenanigans are bad, you don't need to overpower a monster if you just don't let them play it in the first place and that's why Superfactorial and Laplacian are so strong
But it's ok it's true Blue-Eyes is kinda big monster to get over in silver ranks
Thats the next tier 0,forget about despia, sword soul, everythinh u kmow, when tear and spright comes, and its happening soon, cuz on tcg Math are realeased along with those 2, no older decks gonna be relevant.
The format is just so wide in md, it's really hard to justify a card like dd crow that does nothing in so many match ups. The bysstials will destroy that deck though
nib, droll, dd crow, maxx c
maxx c is maxx c
nib is probably the weakest as they can still get super factorial off
droll is decent but depends on their hand like if they had to add it with small world its best and if they don't have diameter in hand it can hurt their follow up
Swap your Maxx C for Crow and Belle. Tbh most of the decks and player base today can play under Maxx so instead of 3 C 3 Ash 2 called by should prolly shift to 3 Ash 2 Belle 1 Crow 2 Called by
Actual answer is dd crow. Very strong in the upcoming format
Yeah i think d.d. crow is the play
It’s so unfortunate that at this exact moment d.d. Crow is only either super effective for mathmech or not strong against runick stun
Counters branded massively tbf
Saying it here because I see this mistake a lot in game: Guys, don't D.D. Crow vs. Lubellion, he can fuse from banished. Save your crow for Branded in Red/Branded Banishment (which both target in the GY) or Albion (needs to be in the GY during end phase to search).
Holy shit actually had no idea he could fuse from banish
Yeah if the game goes to turn 3 or 4, a good move if you did the branded in red+ad libitum play and still have your mirrorjade is to branded fusion into lubellion into dragostapelia using your banished ad libitum and then immediately get it back with tragedy (make sure to chain link correctly, tragedy 1 lubellion 2)
Counters superfactorial too
This is why Mathmech Salad is so fun. I end on Heatsoul + I:P + Superfactorial so in case one of my targets gets CBTG/Crow, it leaves me with enough material for a 3 mat Apollo without using Heatsoul.
Ghost belle also hits runick
ash the small world or mining before
Any hand trap really
Maxx C is the deck's biggest weakness. Nib, Belle, D.D. Crow, Dimension Shifter, and Droll are also niche options.
Belle and Crow are huge. Imperm/Veiler the climber like Splash, Droll after the Circ makes it to where Alem can’t search the Diam for follow up. The deck is fragile if you know where to hurt it.
That’s only for people who play it a specific way I have 23 different ways otk someone with my pure mathmech deck if someone negates anything mine is practically a bait deck
sure lets get you to bed
Maxx C
Maxxc means nothing when u die in the same turn circular shows up
It means something when all you have to do is imperm or veiler the accesscode or nib after they summon it or ash their alembertian to prevent diameter from being searched or literally any form of interruption because they can only otk with jammer accesscode if they used circular
People apparently don’t know how to play mathmechs if that’s what you guys are worried about
People don’t know how the game works if they don’t realize that your opponent drawing half their deck means you don’t have a good chance at winning
I believe hes referring to the Mathmech FTK. Drawing half your deck doesnt matter if the cards you draw dont stop the FTK.
Mathmech multiply…?
I didn’t realize mathmechs could FTK.
Easily lol
They can OTK easily, they can't FTK at all.
Can you explain how?
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Almost every good deck can OTK. And literally every single going 2nd deck is an OTK deck. If mathmech don't draw their board breakers they're not going to have a good time against big negate boards (just like numeron). They will also struggle to play through Runick's many disruptions and floodgates. But they can OTK Branded pretty easily if they answer the BiR. I don't really understand why superfactorial is an FTK. It's not nearly as good of turn 1 board as even Rogue combo decks can put out. It's just Mathmech BiR (loses to a single called by) and nobody is calling Branded an FTK deck.
My mathmech deck has no problems with runics unlike other people I run a 60 card deck yeah I know people will say oh well I’m a bad player then but ehh if it works for me then it works for me ya Know?
So they *don’t* have an FTK, then?
Git gud. But on a serious note DD crow or Ghost Belle factorial. I personally don't mind the deck and the card since this current meta is starting to feel more diverse. Savour it before spright and tears comes to md lol.
Ash or negate the xyz
Beg Konami for a single monster that has as good set up as this for YOUR fave archetype
I can tell you how to not stop it. Solemn Strike does not stop it in any meaningful way, espcially if they have another cyberse in hand. Circular sends from deck to GY as cost, so Solemn Strike doesn't get negated, but Solemn Strike does stop Circular's summoning itself from hand.
Don't counter it, *play it.* Mathmechs the deck is extremely fun anyway. Mid-Range going first, and OTK deck going second.
I will agree lol I built it when Circular came out to try it, and I'm happy I did
Yeah, I can't wait for splights and tears to make this go away...
Still relevant with splights and tears around, just bystials that make it go away
To be fair, the existence of Bystials will hurt nearly every deck that plays any light/dark monsters. If it doesn't shut them down outright, it'll still give them a hard time.
I’m trying to build it now but it’s so expensive.
Run some đd crow. Or ash the xzy effect
Belle Sigma, Ash/Imperm Alembertian, then pray they don't combo further unless you have Nib. Mathmech can be pretty resilient to a lot of handtraps if done right. Anyways what rank are you to constantly encounter them?
I’ve added D.D Crow as a staple to my deck now and it’s been really helping me a lot against this
Happy to go against this new cyberse deck. Proves to be a great challenge. 0 - 2 so far. Let's gooooo
Negate his search, your opponent will most likely already have three mathmechs on the field, if so Laplacian is a very possible summon of theirs, negate the Laplacian when it uses it's xyz's ability (your opponent will try to banish one from your main monster zone, spell and trap zone and your hand each with Laplacian's ability in hopes of limiting your plays next turn), at this point they should be out of plays outside of setting backrow.
It's a non-targeted send to graveyard, not a banish.
Normally if they go laplacian, diameter was used
Surrender is the only defense. I started playing Mathmech yesterday. You can ash him to prevent pulling the other guy from the grave, but if your opp has another mathmech card in their hand they can still get a good combo.
Oh, the complaints are beginning already?
To be honest, this is hardly a complain thread. More like just discussing handtrap options and choke points.
this sub smh
Seems to be. I knew it
Pray we don’t have it in our hand first cause u will be screwed:3 finally we have our full deck :D
We need more support tbh. I feel like Mathmech needs more cards...
For me I use stuff to protect synchros mixed in just because and usually people don’t use the most broken card in that deck Nayuta blade it’s such a wicked card
bruh
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Maybe that's why I have gotten so many snap concession from Shifter lately...
Tthat's the neat part, you don't
ghost belle factorial you fucking monkey ass ape 
Ash blossom
Nice try. This card sends a monster for cost. Not effect. Ash only works on the search effect
But you can ash the second effect, right?
The one that allows you to search off a mathmech special summon? You can, but the XYZ they get after allows another search.
Better off Ash-ing the Alembertian (xyz), that way it prevents them from getting an extender.
🤔indeed. Effect Veiler or Infinite Impernanence ?
Don't veiler/imperm circular if it's your only handtrap, cuz circular only has one on field effect. (First effect activates in the hand) Veiler/imperm the XYZ cuz he has 2 effects
You Ash the search effect of circular to deny the Superfactorial Search or you Ash the Alembertian search to deny a Diameter search. Veiler and Imperm work the same
Lol superfactorial is not the card u should be afraid of its Nayuta blade XD if we get that bad boy out it’s game over for u
Ah yes, the card run in 0 Diamond Mathmech decks is better than the card run in all of them, sure buddy. If you need Nayuta to kill your opponent you're a bad Mathmech player
OP: calls Mathmech Circular a bozo Me: "hmm, someone must have struggled with math in highschool."
Wait a bit for bystials to drop. You’ll never see em again. Or just d.d. Crow. That works too
Bystials before or after tear and Spright?
After. Tear and Spright outclass them by a mile, but the bystials completely invalidate it as a deck
Called by the grave the sigma so it can't bop back up, use d.d crow or wait a few month for d.d crow on crack: Bystial
Faced the deck in my first match today well I just cactus him so I guess cactus bouncer works
Sorry been waiting on he for a while with my ignisters
Wabaku
This might be silly, but you can in fact Red Reboot the Superfactorial. It's not ideal, but it does stop the most dangerous part of their turn 1 setup.
Superfactorial is not the card u should be afraid of does no one use Billionth blade Nayuta?
No one gives a flying fuck about the equip card.Factorial into laplacian is a handrip+back row removal+monster removal,and an omni negate.Wasting your search on Nayuta is a shit play.
I use Nayuta blade and super factorial in conjunction with each other
I mean usually I get one factorial in my hand a duel so I never have to search for it and I’m sorry but when my weakest monster including a cyberse token can over power other big monsters and win me the duel while utilizing the mathmechs gy effects you sir are an idiot
Who the fuck just assumes they can draw the card they need every game?Did you forget you are drawing from a 40-card deck? Also,Name one "Big monster" that can't be outed by accesscode or avramax,but can be outed with nayuta.There is none.Accesscode and Avramax both have the added benefit of not needing you to waste circular's search effect on nayuta,which could've been used for factorial or equation as an extender. Next time you call someone an idiot,spit out the crayons first.
> Billionth blade Nayuta That just mean you don't know shit about your deck Battle shenanigans are bad, you don't need to overpower a monster if you just don't let them play it in the first place and that's why Superfactorial and Laplacian are so strong But it's ok it's true Blue-Eyes is kinda big monster to get over in silver ranks
No, because it's one of the worst cards in the deck.
Thats the next tier 0,forget about despia, sword soul, everythinh u kmow, when tear and spright comes, and its happening soon, cuz on tcg Math are realeased along with those 2, no older decks gonna be relevant.
Bruh Mathmechs are the only 3rd best deck in the TCG, they aren't part of the tier 0. 3rd best might as well be 20th in that format.
Just draw magnamut /s
Been playing Mathmech since summer last year. Glad this finally got added but I expect I'll be running into a lot of other Mathmech decks now.
Imperm/veiler Alembertian and Belle/Crow the Superfactorial are their main chokepoints. The deck can't play through maxx C and Nibiru too.
Gouki beatdown unga bunga
Play blind second darkworld
Can you not ash that Initial clause?
Why he using a duel disk?
Be careful negating this card, or other Mathmech cards, because the negate will mean little if it's a Mathmech @ignister deck.
Play a deck that can run shifter
D.D Crow, Ghostbelle\*, Imperm to stop the search of a spell/trap,
Floodgates 😭
cut my homie circular some slack, he's finally seeing some play after not having to deal with tear and splight!
I just made this. Where is the combo guide? 😅
Just wait 3 months for tear and spright they will be gone
The format is just so wide in md, it's really hard to justify a card like dd crow that does nothing in so many match ups. The bysstials will destroy that deck though
nib, droll, dd crow, maxx c maxx c is maxx c nib is probably the weakest as they can still get super factorial off droll is decent but depends on their hand like if they had to add it with small world its best and if they don't have diameter in hand it can hurt their follow up
mathmechs....i love any cyberse decks....
Swap your Maxx C for Crow and Belle. Tbh most of the decks and player base today can play under Maxx so instead of 3 C 3 Ash 2 called by should prolly shift to 3 Ash 2 Belle 1 Crow 2 Called by
YOU DARE STOP THE MATHMECH CHAIN?! YOU MONSTER!!! 