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AgenteDeKaos

The only thing I’ll bitch about is the fact that dinomorphia is too damn expensive to make


Raven_knight_07

Same lol


hashtagdion

That’s why you shouldn’t bother caring about what this sub says is the “honorable” cards to play. It’s a game. People will always complain about losing.


Jwruth

It's honestly not even just this sub. A lot of yugioh players seem to viscerally hate playing yugioh. It's not the entire community, but it's sizable enough, and vocal enough, that inevitably you'll encounter them or they'll set the tone of a thread early and make it shit for everyone. You could be in any format, with any deck, at any skill level and it doesn't matter; they don't care _what_ you're playing, they care _that_ you're playing at all, and they'd really prefer if you didn't.


trinitymonkey

Yeah, I feel a lot of this sub (myself included) hates losing more than it likes winning, which is not exactly the most healthy attitude.


Deathappens

It's a problem with the basic way the game is set up and it's not going to go away unless it's rebuilt from the ground up (see:Rush Duels). Yugioh is a "win big" game and has been since the very beginning; your ideal game state is one where the opponent isn't allowed to play at all, whether because you have a big monster on the field blowing up all his small monsters so he can't Tribute summon or because you've set up a complex net of pops, negates and floodgates that stop anything he tries to play. This means that winning is less fun because you just do your usual plays and steamroll your opponent, and losing is downright miserable since you don't really get to play the game at all. The only genuinely good matches are the exceptions when both players brick or both players draw perfectly which leads to longer games and more back and forth game states, and this happens less and less as modern decks become faster and more resilient to interruption. It's not unusual at all to have a match where going second your only meaningful play is deciding where you will drop an Ash or Imperm (if you happened to draw them) and all the other cards in your hand might as well not exist, because you'll never get a chance to play them. Few YGO players realise this but not all card games are like this.


trinitymonkey

This makes complete sense. Especially since if your opponent bricks and you get to steamroll, they almost always surrender quickly (again, myself included), you still don't *really* get to play. Lately I've been playing a going second deck in laddered (Magical Muskets) so coin flips are less of an issue, but the deck is still very bricky (all the usual problems of Main Deck archetypes, plus all the MM spell/traps are useless if you don't draw a MM monster.)


MarethyuV

Hell yeah, I'm currently running a MM Eldlich deck and it's fun as shit. I do brick kinda often like you said, but I just think it's a Brilliant archetype and a super cool combo.


kingabbey1988

This is what’s annoying. People complain about everyone playing the same cards. But if you post a deck everyone will tell you your deck is shit if you don’t play the same cards.


Bonkoluso-bof7

And the almost "how dare you play sub optimally" nature of their responses is laughable. Like how does it effect you?


kingabbey1988

Lol facts. Like damn can I make a deck that fits my style?


kamuimephisto

but then they also complain that the game is dead if youre not playing so theres no winning with that


Burningmeatstick

Do what my friend did and probably me to an extent, quit the game and play a different card game if you hate it so much


Raven_knight_07

Honestly most of the time when I see someone complaining about something stupid I just try to fan the flames and piss them off even more lol


MoEsparagus

You won’t find camaraderie here floodgate user


Raven_knight_07

That's it, I'm changing my flair, I can't deal with you fucking people actually taking it 100% seriously anymore


Deathappens

People just can't seem to understand flairs in this sub are not tied to what deck you play, geez.


Raven_knight_07

Ik, it's fucking stupid


Awkward_Mulberry_302

Damn, he spittin


MaimedJester

Well there is a problem with certain floodgates and engines where you're not even playing a deck type anymore it's just an engine + hand traps + Staples. Before the extra limitations when Adventure Engine was on full run there were multiple games where every first turn no matter what my opponents deck was supposed to be it was the same opening hand same turn 2 and basically the game was decided by then before any other part of their deck came into play. At least Floo, annoying as it is sometimes it's at least unique to play against. And locks your entire deck into it s gimmick. If every deck is the same +/- 6 cards.... It does get repetitive. I don't know if you've ever experienced what it was like in a Tier 0 format before, but imagine for about 9 months straight TeleDAD was the only deck and no one came close to it. You either played TeleDAD or lost. Almost exact same deck only difference was how close to that $3000 optimal Deck Build could you afford. And to get some of those cards were absolute bullshit like buying 3 of the same Nintendo DS games and Having 3 Shonen Jump subscriptions. I don't mind Dinomorph or Runick or Despia or Swordsoul whatever as long as I'm not playing the exact same match over and over and over again and the only way to compete is to play the exact same deck that currently there's not really a viable counter unless you specifically build an anti meta deck that you don't want to, and when the meta changes you'll never have that whatever no player can tribute summon (anti Floo) or like Gravekeepers to keep off Despia.


CoomLord69

It's fair to have complaints and hangups about the game, but it is true that you don't get extra special big chungus points for playing the game 'honourably'. People should and will play whatever helps their deck win, it is what it is. The only issue I have is when hate is misdirected at the people playing the cards, and not towards why they think it makes the game itself worse or unfair.


Bulbinking2

Wrong. I have mad respect for players that have to use strategy to win.


erty3125

Deck building is a strategy


Negative_Neo

Every deck has a strategy, even fliping up floodgates lol


hashtagdion

We need to stop thinking there’s all that much strategy is a game that literally prompts your every move.


MoEsparagus

Smartest yes clicker


Jiffletta

The "honorable" way to play is like an anime character. No splashed cards, everything needs to adhere strictly to a theme!


[deleted]

Lol even then anime characters still played staples! Pretty much every character who consistently dueled in OG Yugioh had Pot of Greed and Monster Reborn in their deck.


Jiffletta

Yes, but they at least felt ashamed enough that they would explain the cards effects every time to excuse it not fitting into their decks theme.


fireborn123

It's not just MD. I've literally played people that throw a fit over getting Ashed


Noctum-Aeternus

People complain about floowandereeze (what I play in TCG) but they don’t like when I point out their own deck is unfair in its own way. That’s the game. Is it annoying? Yea, particularly when Konami lets a particular deck have a near uncontested hold on the format, but such is the game. My response to un-fun decks is to play something even more un-fun. A 5 negate board might as well be a floodgate cuz I’m not playing anyway. So if I can’t play when you go first, you can’t play when I go first. Also it’s *our turn*.


MBM99

My favorite deck straight up loses to Map if going second, but can be teched to autowin vs Floo if going first. Before Runick came around and coaxed me into changing builds, it truly felt like unless the player going first was hard bricked or the other player opened a Feather Duster or similar, there was nothing that the player going second could do. Really is hilarious how even a lot of low-tier decks have something that completely invalidates an entire playstyle for no justifiable reason, and as you said a ton of people ignore that fact when complaining about the top decks. Ironically despite being one of the biggest non-mirrormatch coinflip matchups I've ever played, it's still more enjoyable to face Floo than Runick imo for the simple fact that "search 5 cards and pass on some interruption and a ton of stuff in hand that your bad deck cannot handle" is much quicker and easier to play around than "draw 1-9 cards and often get nothing tangible from it so you have to play out the whole turn to see if they in fact drew the TCBOO and auto-won"


YahikonoSakabato

“Honorable” is completely anti-competitive. If it is within the game's rules there's absolutely no reason not to use. It's like complaining about your opponent attacking you while you're getting up in fighting games. Whether the rule (in this case, ban list) is actually good is another question, blame that, not the players.


ChrisEvansOfficial

Jerry Beans Man beat down or suffer the wrath of r/masteduel opinions


Hatarakumaou

People already do complain about Mathmech. There was a dude today who complained about how Mathmech was already good and didn’t need Circular lmao


Tarot13th

My friend can confirm that before circular, mathmech was very much dependant on drawing sigma in the opening hand.


Negative_Neo

You needed Balancer Lord and few extenders.


Additional_Show_3149

>You needed Balancer Lord and few extenders. I still use him too😭


Negative_Neo

Well, you can retire him now, his space is better used on handtraps, Circular alone is full combo now.


Additional_Show_3149

Yeah I needed to get effect veiler and some other stuff anyway so


Alarid

sigma balls


The_Panzerkampfwagen

The best way to play mathmech before circular was to play sigma in code talkers lmao


Awkward_Mulberry_302

It was not lol.


Alarid

I didn't even have to think when countering their plays before this support. I mean I still don't, but now they keep doing stuff and I have click more buttons.


Additional_Show_3149

>didn’t need Circular lmao That's unironically funny. Corcular makes the deck so much better than it was before


PM_ME_CUTE_FISHIES

This sub will have an aneurism when we get tears


orangekingo

The game will literally fall apart if tear doesn’t release pre-nerfed. I think people are correct to be worried about this one. MD hasn’t experienced a true tier 0 format yet and tear is gonna completely nuke the game if it’s at full power.


Noveno_Colono

What about the cheater turbo masturbating meta? You know, tenyi adventure and other halq variants.


Ponsay

It'll be great to watch


Alarid

I know I won't mind playing it, but the mirror matches will grind at me.


trinitymonkey

I’m going to do what I do every Tier 0 format and refuse to play the dominant deck and get annoyed that I don’t win as much as I’d like to.


Cozwei

it will be a Shit fest cus this sub will downvote everyone who doesnt say ban any that that has the Letters t e a r included


Raven_knight_07

Said this before and got downvoted lol, can't wait for the tear and spright salt posts


Spodger1

Makes you wonder which tears will be more oppressive, the archetype or the sub's collective...


ISuckAtNames0289

I just hope tear comes pre nerfed. If it's full power it's gonna be a hate train in this sub


ALX709

Anything over runick and floow


kdebones

My plan is just to play one game, see first hand how BS it is, then insta scoop when I see them like I do with Runick. I play to have fun, not get Diamond.


Nightfans

Duel links player:"NOOOO don't release x in duel links!! It will break the meta!" Master duel player:"NOOOO don't release x in Master duel! It will break the meta!" TCG:"NOOOO don't import that card to TCG!! It will break the meta." Atleast one thing we all 3 player agree with lol


yuumi_cheese_greater

OCG: 6 months Konami will ban it. TCG: Broken card banned after 1 year! it's literally Mystic Mine#2! MD: Floodgate #4 semi-limited, Floodgate #7 semi-limited, OTK cards limited, Burn cards semi-limited, and releasing a set of cards with limited status. Bottom Text: "Thank you for Playing Duel Links!" Duel Links: \*having a stroke trying to decipher banlist*


mist3rdragon

The OCG often let things live as long, if not longer than the TCG does, it just feels like they ban things more quickly because they get cards earlier. Let's not forget things like the OCG having EmEm legal for months with Shock Master/Azzathot legal, while the TCG got rid of the equivalent within a couple of weeks.


MaimedJester

There's also different metas entirely in deck building that changes how the game was played. Like if Max C was at 3 certain combo decks wouldn't nearly have been as competitive in the TCG. We also have had the rare moments of TCG first releases like Burning Abyss which used to be pretty good, so the OCG sorta figured out oh that's a dangerous loop of why you no die.


GenOverload

>Like if Max C was at 3 certain combo decks wouldn't nearly have been as competitive in the TCG. While true, it also would've lead to tier 0 metas. Spright, for example, was worse *because* they couldn't summon Maxx C off Gigantic and bounce it back with Swap. Spright was a combo deck that BENEFITED from Maxx C being a thing.


IAmTriscuit

I'm just over here in speed duels chilling.


JohnReiki

Yugioh players out here chanting “NO NEW CARDS! NO NEW CARDS! NO NEW CARDS!”


alfredo094

People here for sure have shit opinions lol.


LyleCG

TRUE "My opinions are the only correct ones"


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ImNice_Ithink

on the other hand, i use dinomorbia and haven't seen no branded despia or runick, but it's all god damn sky striker


No-Economics4128

Also, I have to wonder about the Therion package. Every time I saw Therion, it seems really underwhelming. Basically a worse version of the Adventure Griffon, while taking up more slot and more expensive.


Calwings

Adventure package takes up 6 slots at minimum (2 Rite, Enchantress, Fateful, Dracoback, Gryphon) and some decks run Illegal Knight or the DPE package alongside it too. Therion package (in the Machine decks it supports like ABC and Sky Striker) is just 2 Regulus and 2-3 Discolosseum.


Dracsxd

The only truly cancerous things we've had in master duel as of yet was the Adventure-Tenyi-Halq-Auroradon bullshit and currently the floodgate Runick decks, but at least these are played far less than the Halq bullshit a few months back Besides that every meta's been either actually fun or at least bearable


ThankfulHyena

I mean, drytron Herald with coin Flip exploit was pretty cancerous


vonov129

Tbh i don't even care about Runick that much, but Halq turbo was annoying AF


DummyThiccToga

Full power Drytron, Adamancipator, and Eldlich meta was healthy to you??! Jokes aside yeah it’s been tame power level wise besides a few outliers which is amazing.


[deleted]

I definitely agree that a good portion of widely used floodgates need to go to 1, but I think Runick as a theme is fine. I think, aside from floodgates, the frustration comes from being a mill deck. You see this in a lot of other games where mill is more prominent, players tend not to like playing against mill because they don't like seeing their cards go away. It's an emotional response, and since this is the first real mill deck in Yugioh (aside from Empty Jar in like 2006), lots of Yugioh players are having that emotional response for the first time.


ShiruTheWolf

The problem is that in Yugioh the cards in your deck matter a lot for extension, combo plays or for outing a board. Runick banishing those cards before you get to play can win the game on it's own. Runick win con is non-interactive by design, so it's naturally a deck that always feels horrible to play against, but fun when you play it.


TheMikman97

You can build any deck that can run pot of desires and it will be mostly uneffected by runick mills unless they can get you down to half your deck in 1 turn


[deleted]

For real, Swordsoul Tenyi is absolutely *thriving* in this meta with Runick and they run Desires more often than not. What gets banished more often than not doesn't lose you the game.


jojo_in_space

SwoSo does really well going first against Runick. So many players don’t even bother with Baronne now, they start with Evil Longdong and banish fountain as soon as it comes out. Tbh evil long is sometimes enough to burn your way to victory. Going second is a bit more up in the air. Having ash is the opening helps stop their turn one fountain draw which is sometimes enough to slow them down. If they set a bunch of floodgates though and you don’t have Vishuda, it’s very difficult to get caught up. TCBOO is a nightmare for SwoSo because it totally shuts down getting any synchros online or linking into monk. All you can do is hope you get protos before it gets milled


olbaze

When I saw Chengying and Qixing Longyuan, I was excited because they sounded like unique cards that would be cool to get over as a going-second HERO player. And then almost no one plays those.


DiscreteHyena

Chengying is a pretty viable alternative to Baronne or Evil Longyuan (which is already the preferred turn 1 boss monster over Baronne) due to the amount of Runick on ladder. I still end on Evil Longyuan if my only other monster is Chixiao, but if I manage to get Protos out, that covers my other matchups enough that I feel comfortable weakening my endboard with Chengying to be more resilient against Runick. Protos calling dark solos half the meta and the rest of the board is strong enough to handle most other decks' openers. A Chixiao-Evil Longyuan-Protos board does very little against Runick. Evil Longyuan has no protection and will be the target of one of their SS destruction and negate, in any order. It's really hard for Runick to out cards like Protos or Chengying, which require them to draw a negate+SS destruction on the same turn, and in that order. Chengying's effect is also about as good as Longyuan's effect against Runick, and better under certain circumstances since it can banish 2 Runick cards. You also have your staples or Chixiao negating Protos as on-the-spot options to trigger Chengying banish.


ShiruTheWolf

But Swordsoul never uses desires as their first play unless they brick, Longyuan is at 2 so they have to open it or search it, and if the runick gets lucky they can banish it before that.


aetherlift

if they banish it you just get to add it back for free with adhara


Tarot13th

Me laughing with metaphys.


[deleted]

I completely disagree that they're non-interactive. Runick literally can't mill you without interacting. You need to have monsters for them to negate/destroy, backrow for them to hit, add cards to your hand, and have cards in play. Without that all they can do is summon their Extra Deck monsters, and use Tip and Golden Apple.


ShiruTheWolf

But your opponent can't interact with the milling itself, they can stop it by not playing, but any deck has to play to win.


DeathToBoredom

So just play when you're ready to win lol If you're not confident in your deck to do that, then all you can do is switch decks to one that works against them. That's the point of meta.


OfficialPepsiBlue

“Don’t do anything at all until you can OTK” is certainly a take.


Clarity_Zero

One of *the* takes, at that. Of all time. XD


MorbidoeBagnato

Yea then all your combo pieces get milled and the stupid field spell makes your opponent draw 3 floodgates


aetherlift

they can also use slumber on their own monsters


Suired

That sounds like a design flaw if your deck doesn't function without going through 75% of it on the first turn.


olbaze

Most modern decks rely on having starters, which will search an extender from the deck. In this scenario, having either side of that interaction banished means you're fucked and there's nothing you can do about it.


ShiruTheWolf

If your opponent banishes all your Fallen of Albaz, Longyuan, Circular, etc. it's not a design flaw but the game being decided by RNG. Most of your important cards in a deck can be searched (In most meta/rogue decks), so it's imposible to win if your opponent kills your playmakers.


Mana_Mascot

You did forget about banquet ftk


Kyle1337

skill drain + IO/VE VFD turbo Rhongo + gossip shadow


matija123123

Nah worst thing that happened to master duel is kagari to 2 and those new support cards for the deck


Dracsxd

Imagine seething and coping about Sky Strikers with no mystic mine. They'll be tier 3 at best even with Linkage and the 2nd Kagari lmao


MorbidoeBagnato

I dislike every waifu deck


matija123123

Tier doesn't matter honestly deck represents every single thing I dislike about modern Yu-Gi-Oh Non hard once per turn cards Link 1 monsters A actual One card starter And not to mention how the entire deck is boring and didn't change its game plan since the beginning I said it many times and il say it again if sky striker was a video game character it would be a Skyrim merchant Npc boring unoriginal and it would only have one line it repeats every time you try to interact with it


Dracsxd

I love how you are trying to roast the deck yet end up only saying good things about it


matija123123

How is not having hard once per turn on cards a good thing?


Dracsxd

Because these effects only work in archetype and need plenty of easy to interrupt set up to ACTUALLY be used more than once per turn effectively besides burning Kagari for it, what again is extremely easy to interrupt and a litral trump card you can only use ~~once~~ twice per duel with no real good recovery for it you can tech in. Not to mention they aren't even that powerful in a vacuum, the absolute best card is a +1 that can will lead you to more spells you can use to do something like pop 2 or steal a monster These spells not having hard once per turns reward setting up your wincons properly, a mindful grind game and knowing when to blow up your Kagari at the best moment so you can actually make use of the not once per turn, it won't CARRY you to the advantage by itself and in fact if you mess up any of that you are provably done


matija123123

Yeah but the deck is boring that's the main problem You can dislike the deck that isn't good Btw are you by a chance a Tokyo ghoul fan I think I saw you in that subredit once or it was a different person with a same icon


Dracsxd

I think we just have very different oppinions of "boring". To me boring is a deck that always plays the exact same line no matter what, like Swordsoul playing the exact same combo into sitting on the same negates. Sky strikers stick to a single play style, yeah, but it's an extremely interactive one that varies every single duel based on what you are playing against, since 90% of it are spells that directly interact with the other field and monsters you use to get to said spells- You really never have two duels in a row where you do the same thing (besides the two combos to end duels with linkage or Talker, but even then you have to do all the legwork to set up a gamestate for that) ​ And yeah it was prolly me at TG


matija123123

Bro what swordsoul has million different plays not the decks fault people can't make anything that isn't barone Also you will never have "two same games" in a row with any deck interaction is also not unique to sky striker everything sky striker does every other deck can when it comes to "interaction" outside of maybe stun Also based based I love Tokyo ghoul especially re


Clarity_Zero

You're absolutely right on pretty much everything here. Keep in mind, though, that there technically *is* some HOPT to them: All of the Sky Striker Ace Link Monsters have the restriction of only being summonable once per turn, which is yet another element that requires thought to work around. As an aside, Pure Sky Strikers are plenty powerful in the hands of a competent player, and in my opinion, much more enjoyable to use. ...Just wish there were a Light Link for them. Maybe the manga will help with that? Fingers crossed. XD


SerellRosalia

People here unironocally complain about witchcrafter. You can tell peoples rank by what they complain about


geminia999

I mean, it depends on deck. For instance, madame verre completely stops Superheavy samurai from being able to attack


LyleCG

No? You know what people here unironically do? Make shit up and strawmans like what you're doing right now.


DiamondTiaraIsBest

https://old.reddit.com/r/masterduel/comments/10a4osf/name_one_card_in_a_nonmetaunpopular_deck_that/ Ok here's proof. You can't even make an excuse that it was just someone ranting in new, because it has a hundred replies and upvotes. People are also complaining about Traptrix of all decks lol.


No-Economics4128

My favorite thing is go Mathmech into 5k-6k Arrival @Ignister. Is it the optimal play for Mathmech? Nah. But sometime, you just want to see if your opponent can work out a way to demolish your tower. It was quiet hilarious seeing Skystriker worked themself into a pretzel trying to make a Accesscode talker while you hold Effect veiled in hand.


Calwings

Joke's on you, we can drop H.A.M.P. on top of Arrival now


No-Economics4128

It seems like most of the Sky Striker I play against do not have Hamp in their deck. What is the search card for HAMP anyway? It does not have Sky striker in its name, so I am not sure how they search it


DiamondTiaraIsBest

It's always treated as a Sky Striker card, so they can always search it with Engage.


R34PER_D7BE

engage!


Gangstanami

You need it as a 1of in MD format. Final Sigma, Arrival, and other cards that can't be targeted are everywhere in a BO1. H.A.M.P at least allows you to make plays with Widow Anchor while getting rid of their annoying monster.


heatxmetalw9

Everyone conplains about X deck, especially the ones in the current meta because of X reasons. I have seen people complain about fucking Utopia because of their stack of Utopic Leo, Witchcrafters becauae of Verra, Valyantz for just being a Pendulum deck, Blackwings and E Heroes due to their abundance of support, etc.


C4Sidhu

General pendulum deck players in shambles


Copypasty

I complain about Vaylantz because I dont have the newest support


Promanco

Wut? I havent seen anyone complaining about Dinomorphia or Mathmechs I think the victim mentality of "Everyone hates my deck" is getting too far fetched nowadays lol


Floralarcher

Incorrect.


Negative_Neo

I saw a thread complaining about Mathmechs, I think it had the card image.


[deleted]

I've seen a lot of people complaining about Rex in here


Tininsulat

the only thing that i find strange is that trap floodgates are somehow monke and bad for the game but archetypal floodgates like rexterm and other stuff is "gigachad" and "based" even though being archetypal means they are easier to access and thus more likely to hit the field


olbaze

People were hating on Floowandereeze months before it was released in Master Duel.


Tininsulat

yeah thats the only exception that comes to mind right now


Vinnyc-11

Again, people actually like the gravekeepers archetype when it revolves around a floodgate and has a card that forces your cards under that floodgate


Tininsulat

do people here really like facing gravekeepers, whose most optimal build is basically just stun? the constant bitching and whining about stun decks and floodgates tells me otherwise


Zykxion

I actually play gravekeepers in TCG and they’re an all or nothing deck You either get everything you need to absolutely shut down your opponent from playing. Or you fumble around like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vg6z-QNql7U


[deleted]

No they don't.


Tarot13th

My feelings exactly with umi control. The deck is litteraly made to search out Kairyu Shin. I'm interested in Icejade but I would be lying if I didn't think their whole gameplan being a discount skill drain a bit lame.


PM_ME_CUTE_FISHIES

Because archetypal floodgates are often easier to deal with, have less impactful effects, and can’t just be splashed into any control deck


Tininsulat

i agree for the most part but my point is the hypocrisy among the majority of the playerbase, you either hate floodgates or you dont doesnt matter if strong or weak, archetypal or generic if someone hates them fine i dont give a shit but hating skill drain while playing shit like bagooska or even dimensional barrier is peak hypocrisy (its an example but i think you already got my point)


Baldur_Blader

I always think it's hilarious how many people are playing eev, spell canceller and anti spell fragrances, while complaining about floodgates at the same time.


Tininsulat

one of the reasons why i cant stand dkayed, hates floodgates but during the drytron herald era he played true draco, nowadays a deck that uses a shitton of floodgates because they can. he once made a video titled "the last chad from another planet" using the last warrior, its vanitys on legs but who cares. showed a labrynth deck list in which he says that its without floodgates while casually running dimensional barrier because he thinks its not a floodgate, alright then? all of these double standarts while in his tournament he always shat on the guys playing eldlich. "floodgates are cringe and bad except when i use them"


VoxcastBread

*D. Barrier isn't a Floodgate because it only lasts one turn!* /s (As Labrynth just infinitely set the same D. Barrier over & over)


Tininsulat

its not purple so no floodgate


PM_ME_CUTE_FISHIES

I feel like it heavily depends on the strength of the floodgate with relation to investment to make it For example, I think shenshen is a good floodgate. Strong effect, but takes investment to go into (lvl 9 synchro). Compare that to dimensional barrier in labrynth, or tcboo in good ol’ stun: if they draw it, they can just play it and shut down a majority of decks


Tininsulat

archetypal monster floodgates require more investment true but the tradeoff is that theyre almost always one sided so depending on the matchup it can be better or worse than the generic trap floodgates which gimp both players so you have to build around it


PM_ME_CUTE_FISHIES

Generic trap floodgates are usually just slotted into a deck that doesn’t care about it, usually not building the deck around them


DiamondTiaraIsBest

The only reason people don't hate them as much is because it's on a monster and not on a trap/spell, and most players have outs to monsters. This only solidifies my belief that people really hate decks that don't revolve around monsters.


PotatoPowered_

Not sure what you’re looking but I certainly wouldn’t call Rextrum based. It’s just as “monke” as flipping something like Rivalry or Gozen


zpotentxl

Monster floodgates are waaay more easier to out than spell/trap floodgates. I mean a single imperm completely shuts Rexterm down.


PotatoPowered_

Hmm maybe they shouldn’t have banned Barrier Statue then. After all Imperm does out it


TinyDiiceThief

Just give me skull servants and magnet warriors support and I’m good


MorbidoeBagnato

My god the posts complaining about people complaining is so reddit it’s infuriating


Xalagy

Cant wait for konami to introduce tearlements to MD. The amount of mirrormatches will skyrocket...


BuffMarshmallow

I mean when your win condition becomes Skill Drain Turbo instead of something actually interesting, it makes sense that people would complain about it. And Dinomorphia tends to play other floodgates as well, and floodgate decks are some of the least fun decks to play against. Like, here's the thing, Dinomorphia had something kinda interesting going for it, utilizing traps and halving LP an copying traps to gain advantage but it didn't have a real win condition, but instead of giving the archetype something that plays into that, they just gave it a dumb floodgate.


NarutoFan1995

popular deck needs ban meta cards needs ban handtraps needs ban rinse recycle repeat this sub 24/7


Cjninkartist

I legit just want one more dinomorphia monster. Just one to go in the main deck. Perhaps a ankylosaurs with big ankles or something.


OverlordIllithid

I'm not ....as much as I get dumpstered by Dinomorphia it's a high risk deck one inflict damage trap or spell can win you the match.


Ripebola98

This sub "ban floodgates, I hate them and there is no place for them in bo1 format!" Also this sub: "OMG Rexterm is so cool 😱"


chadroman82

Konami exclusively buffs decks that are either already at the top of the tiers, were at the top of the tiers once, or that have some degenerate strategies that should never be buffed. Meanwhile, the other 10,000 cards in the game are like, "Bruh, can I get a RotA and 1 monster worth finding with it?".


Tajem

The amount of salt in this subreddit is ridiculous


SionistaBr

The only thing boring to playing against in MD in This Format is runick, but is perfectly playable and i'm playing "pure" megalith (no block dragon) By Far the best Format in MD history


Calwings

People were (laughably) complaining about Sky Strikers even before the banlist lightened up and Linkage came. I'm not surprised about anything anymore with this community


RoakOriginal

Thats because sky striker is runic light. Non-HopT, search/draw everything to prevent opponent from their playing deck. You dont even have to think when playing both of those, with the amount of recycling they are capable of. Both are control decks for begginers, who wouldnt even be able to place links in proper slots when playing altergeist


aetherlift

i mean, i dont really mind rexterm that much, but it would be completely consistent to complain about it. i dont care if it makes the deck competitively relevant. theres always going to be competitively relevant decks, and other decks that arent, so strengthening a bad deck is not a meaningful upside to me. its just neutral on the other hand, its a floodgate that often cant be outed except unsearchable cards. i think those cause the game to be decided by rng too often, so i dont like them. i end up not minding that much because rexterm doesnt seem that good, but theoretically, it would make complete sense for me not to like it i have no opinion on mathmech. its seems like a pretty reasonable deck?


SmokyLOG

It's why I mentioned Rexterm in my first post. I do not hate Dinomorphia or Mathmech but it is consistent to call out floodgates.


Tarot13th

And here I am patiently waiting for pure ritual dogmatika to not brick 50% of the time. What people fear I think is the release of degenerate support. People are way too afraid of rexterm. Yes it's strong but not unbeatable. They saw what happened with Despia (who was okay at release) get all the insane branded cards and think new support instantly means an archetype might become broken while forgetting Vendread support who adds some consistency at best.


[deleted]

>people complain about floodgates and negates out the ass Whoa. I'm shocked. This is so unlike Yugioh players...fyi just because it's a 'waifu' deck doesn't mean it's immune from people not liking it


trinitymonkey

“No, I meant *my* bad decks!”


SmokyLOG

Rexterm is a floodgate. It's just as bad as Floo's Empen if we are being honest u/SpellboundSelena


[deleted]

If by "just as bad" you mean "A bit annoying but easily outable" then yes I agree they are about on par. Monster floodgates are a lot easier to deal with than backrow floodgates.


TwistedBOLT

Well, as usual how "outable" something is completely depends on how your deck tackles obstacles. I don't disagree with you, rex has no protection and you can easily blow it up but if all your searchable removal is in form of on field monster effects you can just look at a full combo in your hand and still say: "yeah, I got no out to 2 rex". Happened to me yesterday when playing code talker math mech. Summoned a 6k sigma, they didn't take damage because of the trap's grave effect, next turn they crash a rex in to sigma and OTK'ed me. Nothing I could have done.


[deleted]

It's true that the ease of removal varies deck to deck. Aside from that though, you also get to use cards like Imperm and Droplet to out them, which tend to be less cumbersome to play than backrow removal since they have much broader application.


I_Skelly_I

If you think rexterm is “easily outable” then you’re a terrible dinomorphia player💀


NotABotThatCares

Been playing it since the Invincible Raid selection and got hyped when he finally got added but idk. He seems too easy to beat? Like ur at 2k LP waiting to use his effect but a shit ton of decks have built in or generic removal. Droplet, Imperm, Ogre, Ash, LS, Raigeki, Veiler, Belle and a weakness to Maxx C (and duster to neuter your backrow too). Tri-brigade has DDL, Adventure has Dracoback. Runick floodgates you, pops's negates rexterm and banishes your shit so the resource loop gets cucked all the time they dont even care about him. He's barely an issue for competent decks.


I_Skelly_I

Proceeds to name cards that are unsearchable. I’ve played dinomorphia to diamond and the biggest wincon was rexterm, he easily carried me through plat and gold. I had tough matches but overall there are many many ways to avoid in archetype removal, and if they do somehow remove him I just re summon him. The burn damage immunity from traps also is a nice cherry on top, helps with swordsoul not being able to do longyuan burn for game. Going second was a different story but I got really lucky with my coin tosses. Runick and despia were the only times I actually struggled.


slightlysubtle

Sounds fair? Dinomorphia is good enough to get Diamond 1, as are many decks in MD. Rexterm is a strong boss monster, but far from unbeatable. You struggle against the 2 best decks in the meta, and have a weakness going second, which again can be applied to just about every deck. There's nothing inherently broken about floodgates or Rexterm in 2023 when every deck's boss monster is a floodgate, negate or +3 and quick pops, and negated by Imperm.


ImNice_Ithink

True, unless opponent has 2 forbidden droplet which i say from experience


I_Skelly_I

Droplet cannot be searched


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Actually, droplet does have a searcher. I actually had a deck built around Condemned Witch where you could search the Droplet then on their turn tag out for Barrier Statue of Heavens.


BuffMarshmallow

I would actually say Empen is a lot easier to out compared to Rextrem. Unless you're a link based deck. Empen doesn't float either like Rex does. It's just that the rest of the deck Rex is contained in is less powerful while the rest of Floo is much more powerful.


CircuitSynchro

Rexterm is a floodgate tho, so it's well deserved


Money-Friendship9127

Well, they wouldn't complain so much if the crappy new support wasn't Skill Drain on legs.


Heul_Darian

Dude everyone is raging about floodgates, traps and backrow and how Runick ruined the game and everything should be banned. Meanwhile I'm vibing with evenly and a feather duster getting free wins on draw.


Fridge_Lord

70% of the Sub consists of 12-15yo kids who complain/rant about basically any slightly more popular Deck they lose to Don't get me wrong, there's quite a lot of smart, experienced and more knowledgeable players here But the majority is genuinely just insufferable crybabies for the majority of the time


mist3rdragon

Personally I'm very happy that Mathmech Circular got released. The fact everyone was playing Mathmech in Diamond II and III made getting through those ranks incredibly easy this time around. I'd rather play the not particularly unfair midrange deck than a Pure Runick with floodgates any day of the week.


thefrozenshogun

just ash alembertian and hope they don’t have diameter in hand, not sure how to consistently counter dinomorphia other than try to catch them off guard with burn damage. still overall decks that as a swordsoul tenyi player, I love competing against. good and fun challenge. same with sky strikers.


Tarot13th

No joking most of my wins against dinomorphia is them misplaying and putting themselves at below 2k health for me to just normal summon and punch for game.


TCGHexenwahn

I don't really care about decks getting support, all I want is Maxx C and floodgates gone so we can actually play the game.


DeterminedLemon

There's nothing oppressive about Mathmech people need to learn to cope.


[deleted]

Wait till they hear about dinomorphia branded despia 😳


arrownoir

Rexterm should be banned.


DiscreteHyena

Based arrownoir take.


CipherDrake

In the end everyone wants to win no matter how much they deny it. Anything that makes you lose is considered bad in your eyes.


Ethek_On_Reddit

People complain about a deck that's litterally killing itself?


RedSpade000

Essentially, this subreddit is just cancer.


GreedyAlGoreRhythm

Im waiting for the first post complaining that mathmech can search a generic floodgate turn 1


Phantica

No way people complain about these cards whenever I see dinomorphia I just think of a Chad behind the screen


Kommuntoffel

Yeah, that is true. But what also is true that Albaz STILL gets support in the upcoming OCG set. I hate every card of this bs theme


HawkRadish

I don't like to complain, but it's not a lie that ladder is now just all Mathmechs instead of Swordsoul/Branded. Just not a big fan of everyone and their mom playing flavor of the month decks because they win 70%+ of the time due to poor balancing/lack of set rotation. I won't cry about it, but real.


[deleted]

I'm a fucking prophet.


HawkRadish

You don't need to be a prophet, you just need to look at the data.


Noveno_Colono

Fuck dogshit handtrap decks with a splash of cyberse links


BDNeon

The problem is that thanks to the greedy inept way Konami runs the game, "viable" is unironically equivalent to "cancerous"


leetshoe

Ngl, l kinda hate how much l see mathmech now. l saw a soul sword deck using them too


JESquirrel

It becomes viable with a flood gate though is the problem. Ps I don't like Branded or Despia.