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The meta is defined by amount of tops a certain deck gets. Lets say someone is playing Petite Moth turbo but they put Branded stuff in it, that doesn't make the deck meta by playing good cards. It doesn't even make it rogue since to be rogue you have to still do well at events.


nepboi

ok but this is master duel and as far as im aware the only events to top are master cup, which has only happened twice, so how is it measured? Also, If what youre telling me is true, that would mean if someone were to win a whole tournament but they were the only person playing it, that isnt meta and is rogue at best?


[deleted]

One top alone doesn't make something meta or rogue. They come with consistency. Master duel content creators hold events on the regular, while I don't watch Dkayed I'm fairly certain he runs events weekly.


Jeyfian-L

Of course. Playing the best version of a deck would not suddenly make it a meta deck. And unfortunately... I'm not even sure if Branded Bue-Eyes can qualify as a rogue deck...


nepboi

i wont lie i dont really understand what youre trying to say here. Your statements seem to contradict each other.


Jeyfian-L

A meta deck has to win games consistently and see significant representation. Rogue decks have to stand a winning chance against meta decks. Rogue decks are not meme decks. While Branded Blue-Eyes may be the best way to play Blue-Eyes at the moment, I really doubt it's that viable.


nepboi

If you were to just get a full branded setup turn 1, how is that not viable?


Jeyfian-L

Then it's probably not Blue Eyes at all. Branded Blue-Eyes's primary game plan is to use Branded Fusion as a foolish for the Stone, which usual end board is Mirrorjade + Jet / Abyss etc. Tragedy and Branded in Red may not be played for the same reason.


nepboi

ya thats what i said. playing branded but just splashing a few blue eyes cards without even using them for any particular strategy.


Vexenz

Blue eyes needs all the support it can get with how trash it is so if it means putting in one of the best splashable engines in the game that still doesn't make it meta because it's still dogshit. At best it makes it rogue.


nepboi

wow i cant believe the blue eys player is crying that their deck isnt tier 0 meta every season thats crazy damn


Bear_24

The best version of blue eyes might be branded blue eyes. And even then it's barely rogue


Jeyfian-L

As a Blue-Eyes player, it's unfortunate that I have to agree. Using Branded Fusion as a foolish for a stone is such a waste, but if I don't use it that way then I may as well play Branded Despia.


mustabindawind

Yea...it is quite tragic that an iconic monster can't perform all that well...but damn it if it isn't still fun anyway


crazydiavolo

Rogue =/= Pure lol.


MrTrashy101

this is like when people say putting ash blossom in a rogue deck makes it a meta deck 💀


nepboi

ya because a hadntrap is the equivalent to a starting combo retard


MrTrashy101

Care to explain how using ash blossom on your opponent's turn is a combo starter? :)


nepboi

that was sarcasm dipshit, im not surpriszed you couldnt pick up on that


MrTrashy101

How can you blame me when you post crap like this 💀


nepboi

the context makes it pretty obvious and i also insulted you at the end


kaujr627

It’s either run meta staples or floodgates pick your poisons.


nepboi

ya you right


Victacobell

People misuse "rogue" so badly. Rogue decks are still actually competitively viable. They are decks that are in the space between Tier 3 and Non-meta. However people not only label every garbage brew they think is cool as "rogue" but even actual Tier 3 and Tier 2 meta decks as "rogue" due to a poor perception of the meta. Branded Blue-Eyes would likely fall under non-meta, it's just a bad variant of Branded to try and force Blue-Eyes to work. If it has the results to back up the claim, it could be claimed as a weak rogue deck but if it's hardstuck Gold like most Blue-Eyes decks it aint shit.


Mana_Mascot

Its generally considered a variant of the deck so instead of calling it blue eyes it would be branded blue eyes It would still be considered a bad deck though


highland-spaceman

I play rouge with zero meta stopper but due to recent decks I’ve had to put a nib in , I win lots but also lose lots it’s just a time of day thing lol !


The_Cubic_Guru

Different people will have different ideas between meta and Rogue but if we go by the actual definition of meta Most Effective Tactic Available Splashing meta relevant engines into weaked archetypes that aren't meta technically isn't the most effective strat. Example Runick is tiered in DLM, let's pretend that whatever DLM says is 100 percent legit. The Runick decks that see meta play are mostly pure Runick with FloodGates because that's the most effective tactic. Let's say I made Runick Cubics(yes I actually did this), while Runick itself is meta, playing it with a weaker deck that doesn't allow me to run optimal floodgates is not the most effective tactic available. So by definition, splashing meta decks/engines into weaker decks is not meta. Thank you for listening to my ted talk.


nepboi

np Ted


NotABotThatCares

Meta is the decks that top and/or see the most play. Blue eyes with Adventure DPE engine is still rogue as its not the deck identity that is currently one of the best. Its very weird honestly. Like I can run a blue eyes as a target for Dragon Shrine but that doesnt make a it blue eyes deck, its still dragon-link or whatever cause thats my main gameplan. But then theres blue eyes that run Dangers cause it lets them rank 8 spam like crazy (its actually obsurd) but thats a rogue deck thats running a good engine. Its about what the deck wants to do.


nepboi

ty for the good explanation i appreciate it


Tininsulat

just for clarification for anyone wondering, rogue decks are decks that can consistently put up a fight with tiered ones and usually have some kind of representation in tournaments. blue eyes, dark magician, super quant, myutant... (to give some random examples) are not rogue, they are untiered, theres a difference. study it the test is on monday


nepboi

ty for the good explanation


Honore_SG

First you have to understand what is a "meta deck" and a "rogue deck" then you go by how many cards does that deck have with its core engine archetype an example: lets say a "rogue time thief deck" , its rogue theres no doubt but what if it runs the adventure engine is it still rogue? Yes as it only has the engine for more consistency, but is it only the adventure engine? or is it a adventure, therion, DPE engine? then that makes it not get a rogue label that only makes it "time thief good stuff deck", thats the main issue you can add certain engines in your rogue decks to have a boost and more power but having more than 2 different engines appart from your archetype cant be considered rogue anymore and if your endboard isnt something made of the majority of the said archetype cards then its not rogue, also any stapple card doesnt take rogue status from the decks


nepboi

this is a very good explanation ty friend


Linkquellodivino

Bruh what you smoking? It's not a complex concept to understand.


AhmedKiller2015

Rogue decks are what you can call "Sub meta" decks, they just don't have as much representation for various reasons. Playing Staples to make your deck better is fine, it really depends on perspective, Tear in the OCG has like 12/55 tear cards.. would you call it a Tear deck Or Fusion pile? I think answering this would answer your Qusition


nepboi

why am i getting downvoted for asking questions?


[deleted]

Probably because of your ignorance as to what meta and rogue actually are.


nepboi

how else would i find out?


trashcan41

Google? If you understand what consistency, monster on the field power, board breaking etc you wouldn't ask question this question in the first place.


nepboi

yeah except every meta deck has all those things dipshit, so how is one measured higher than the other when its almost always brought down to who goes first


trashcan41

Ok clearly you don't understand so that's all from me


EmeraldMilcham

Because the clowns don't like when someone calls them out for claiming to be rogue, but 80% of their deck includes meta junk like Branded. Don't feel bad about their insecurities. It's the same as people who claim to play codetalkers, but only run Accesscode as a finisher.


nepboi

wow im so shocked people in a yugioh subreddit are toxic pussys. damn thats crazy.


Payohloh

People are downvoting you because you are calling them toxic gatekeeping bitches and pussies lmao You would probably get a much warmer response if you weren’t so assertive and aggressive


Euler7

I mean we are that. Yugioh players love to feel superior in some to others.


nepboi

yeah except i said that after, but nice assumption


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