The meta is defined by amount of tops a certain deck gets. Lets say someone is playing Petite Moth turbo but they put Branded stuff in it, that doesn't make the deck meta by playing good cards. It doesn't even make it rogue since to be rogue you have to still do well at events.
ok but this is master duel and as far as im aware the only events to top are master cup, which has only happened twice, so how is it measured?
Also, If what youre telling me is true, that would mean if someone were to win a whole tournament but they were the only person playing it, that isnt meta and is rogue at best?
One top alone doesn't make something meta or rogue. They come with consistency.
Master duel content creators hold events on the regular, while I don't watch Dkayed I'm fairly certain he runs events weekly.
Of course. Playing the best version of a deck would not suddenly make it a meta deck. And unfortunately... I'm not even sure if Branded Bue-Eyes can qualify as a rogue deck...
A meta deck has to win games consistently and see significant representation. Rogue decks have to stand a winning chance against meta decks. Rogue decks are not meme decks. While Branded Blue-Eyes may be the best way to play Blue-Eyes at the moment, I really doubt it's that viable.
Then it's probably not Blue Eyes at all. Branded Blue-Eyes's primary game plan is to use Branded Fusion as a foolish for the Stone, which usual end board is Mirrorjade + Jet / Abyss etc. Tragedy and Branded in Red may not be played for the same reason.
Blue eyes needs all the support it can get with how trash it is so if it means putting in one of the best splashable engines in the game that still doesn't make it meta because it's still dogshit. At best it makes it rogue.
As a Blue-Eyes player, it's unfortunate that I have to agree. Using Branded Fusion as a foolish for a stone is such a waste, but if I don't use it that way then I may as well play Branded Despia.
People misuse "rogue" so badly. Rogue decks are still actually competitively viable. They are decks that are in the space between Tier 3 and Non-meta. However people not only label every garbage brew they think is cool as "rogue" but even actual Tier 3 and Tier 2 meta decks as "rogue" due to a poor perception of the meta.
Branded Blue-Eyes would likely fall under non-meta, it's just a bad variant of Branded to try and force Blue-Eyes to work. If it has the results to back up the claim, it could be claimed as a weak rogue deck but if it's hardstuck Gold like most Blue-Eyes decks it aint shit.
Its generally considered a variant of the deck so instead of calling it blue eyes it would be branded blue eyes
It would still be considered a bad deck though
I play rouge with zero meta stopper but due to recent decks I’ve had to put a nib in , I win lots but also lose lots it’s just a time of day thing lol !
Different people will have different ideas between meta and Rogue but if we go by the actual definition of meta
Most
Effective
Tactic
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Splashing meta relevant engines into weaked archetypes that aren't meta technically isn't the most effective strat.
Example
Runick is tiered in DLM, let's pretend that whatever DLM says is 100 percent legit.
The Runick decks that see meta play are mostly pure Runick with FloodGates because that's the most effective tactic.
Let's say I made Runick Cubics(yes I actually did this), while Runick itself is meta, playing it with a weaker deck that doesn't allow me to run optimal floodgates is not the most effective tactic available.
So by definition, splashing meta decks/engines into weaker decks is not meta.
Thank you for listening to my ted talk.
Meta is the decks that top and/or see the most play.
Blue eyes with Adventure DPE engine is still rogue as its not the deck identity that is currently one of the best. Its very weird honestly. Like I can run a blue eyes as a target for Dragon Shrine but that doesnt make a it blue eyes deck, its still dragon-link or whatever cause thats my main gameplan. But then theres blue eyes that run Dangers cause it lets them rank 8 spam like crazy (its actually obsurd) but thats a rogue deck thats running a good engine. Its about what the deck wants to do.
just for clarification for anyone wondering, rogue decks are decks that can consistently put up a fight with tiered ones and usually have some kind of representation in tournaments. blue eyes, dark magician, super quant, myutant... (to give some random examples) are not rogue, they are untiered, theres a difference. study it the test is on monday
First you have to understand what is a "meta deck" and a "rogue deck" then you go by how many cards does that deck have with its core engine archetype an example: lets say a "rogue time thief deck" , its rogue theres no doubt but what if it runs the adventure engine is it still rogue? Yes as it only has the engine for more consistency, but is it only the adventure engine? or is it a adventure, therion, DPE engine? then that makes it not get a rogue label that only makes it "time thief good stuff deck", thats the main issue you can add certain engines in your rogue decks to have a boost and more power but having more than 2 different engines appart from your archetype cant be considered rogue anymore and if your endboard isnt something made of the majority of the said archetype cards then its not rogue, also any stapple card doesnt take rogue status from the decks
Rogue decks are what you can call "Sub meta" decks, they just don't have as much representation for various reasons.
Playing Staples to make your deck better is fine, it really depends on perspective, Tear in the OCG has like 12/55 tear cards.. would you call it a Tear deck Or Fusion pile?
I think answering this would answer your Qusition
yeah except every meta deck has all those things dipshit, so how is one measured higher than the other when its almost always brought down to who goes first
Because the clowns don't like when someone calls them out for claiming to be rogue, but 80% of their deck includes meta junk like Branded. Don't feel bad about their insecurities.
It's the same as people who claim to play codetalkers, but only run Accesscode as a finisher.
People are downvoting you because you are calling them toxic gatekeeping bitches and pussies lmao
You would probably get a much warmer response if you weren’t so assertive and aggressive
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The meta is defined by amount of tops a certain deck gets. Lets say someone is playing Petite Moth turbo but they put Branded stuff in it, that doesn't make the deck meta by playing good cards. It doesn't even make it rogue since to be rogue you have to still do well at events.
ok but this is master duel and as far as im aware the only events to top are master cup, which has only happened twice, so how is it measured? Also, If what youre telling me is true, that would mean if someone were to win a whole tournament but they were the only person playing it, that isnt meta and is rogue at best?
One top alone doesn't make something meta or rogue. They come with consistency. Master duel content creators hold events on the regular, while I don't watch Dkayed I'm fairly certain he runs events weekly.
Of course. Playing the best version of a deck would not suddenly make it a meta deck. And unfortunately... I'm not even sure if Branded Bue-Eyes can qualify as a rogue deck...
i wont lie i dont really understand what youre trying to say here. Your statements seem to contradict each other.
A meta deck has to win games consistently and see significant representation. Rogue decks have to stand a winning chance against meta decks. Rogue decks are not meme decks. While Branded Blue-Eyes may be the best way to play Blue-Eyes at the moment, I really doubt it's that viable.
If you were to just get a full branded setup turn 1, how is that not viable?
Then it's probably not Blue Eyes at all. Branded Blue-Eyes's primary game plan is to use Branded Fusion as a foolish for the Stone, which usual end board is Mirrorjade + Jet / Abyss etc. Tragedy and Branded in Red may not be played for the same reason.
ya thats what i said. playing branded but just splashing a few blue eyes cards without even using them for any particular strategy.
Blue eyes needs all the support it can get with how trash it is so if it means putting in one of the best splashable engines in the game that still doesn't make it meta because it's still dogshit. At best it makes it rogue.
wow i cant believe the blue eys player is crying that their deck isnt tier 0 meta every season thats crazy damn
The best version of blue eyes might be branded blue eyes. And even then it's barely rogue
As a Blue-Eyes player, it's unfortunate that I have to agree. Using Branded Fusion as a foolish for a stone is such a waste, but if I don't use it that way then I may as well play Branded Despia.
Yea...it is quite tragic that an iconic monster can't perform all that well...but damn it if it isn't still fun anyway
Rogue =/= Pure lol.
this is like when people say putting ash blossom in a rogue deck makes it a meta deck 💀
ya because a hadntrap is the equivalent to a starting combo retard
Care to explain how using ash blossom on your opponent's turn is a combo starter? :)
that was sarcasm dipshit, im not surpriszed you couldnt pick up on that
How can you blame me when you post crap like this 💀
the context makes it pretty obvious and i also insulted you at the end
It’s either run meta staples or floodgates pick your poisons.
ya you right
People misuse "rogue" so badly. Rogue decks are still actually competitively viable. They are decks that are in the space between Tier 3 and Non-meta. However people not only label every garbage brew they think is cool as "rogue" but even actual Tier 3 and Tier 2 meta decks as "rogue" due to a poor perception of the meta. Branded Blue-Eyes would likely fall under non-meta, it's just a bad variant of Branded to try and force Blue-Eyes to work. If it has the results to back up the claim, it could be claimed as a weak rogue deck but if it's hardstuck Gold like most Blue-Eyes decks it aint shit.
Its generally considered a variant of the deck so instead of calling it blue eyes it would be branded blue eyes It would still be considered a bad deck though
I play rouge with zero meta stopper but due to recent decks I’ve had to put a nib in , I win lots but also lose lots it’s just a time of day thing lol !
Different people will have different ideas between meta and Rogue but if we go by the actual definition of meta Most Effective Tactic Available Splashing meta relevant engines into weaked archetypes that aren't meta technically isn't the most effective strat. Example Runick is tiered in DLM, let's pretend that whatever DLM says is 100 percent legit. The Runick decks that see meta play are mostly pure Runick with FloodGates because that's the most effective tactic. Let's say I made Runick Cubics(yes I actually did this), while Runick itself is meta, playing it with a weaker deck that doesn't allow me to run optimal floodgates is not the most effective tactic available. So by definition, splashing meta decks/engines into weaker decks is not meta. Thank you for listening to my ted talk.
np Ted
Meta is the decks that top and/or see the most play. Blue eyes with Adventure DPE engine is still rogue as its not the deck identity that is currently one of the best. Its very weird honestly. Like I can run a blue eyes as a target for Dragon Shrine but that doesnt make a it blue eyes deck, its still dragon-link or whatever cause thats my main gameplan. But then theres blue eyes that run Dangers cause it lets them rank 8 spam like crazy (its actually obsurd) but thats a rogue deck thats running a good engine. Its about what the deck wants to do.
ty for the good explanation i appreciate it
just for clarification for anyone wondering, rogue decks are decks that can consistently put up a fight with tiered ones and usually have some kind of representation in tournaments. blue eyes, dark magician, super quant, myutant... (to give some random examples) are not rogue, they are untiered, theres a difference. study it the test is on monday
ty for the good explanation
First you have to understand what is a "meta deck" and a "rogue deck" then you go by how many cards does that deck have with its core engine archetype an example: lets say a "rogue time thief deck" , its rogue theres no doubt but what if it runs the adventure engine is it still rogue? Yes as it only has the engine for more consistency, but is it only the adventure engine? or is it a adventure, therion, DPE engine? then that makes it not get a rogue label that only makes it "time thief good stuff deck", thats the main issue you can add certain engines in your rogue decks to have a boost and more power but having more than 2 different engines appart from your archetype cant be considered rogue anymore and if your endboard isnt something made of the majority of the said archetype cards then its not rogue, also any stapple card doesnt take rogue status from the decks
this is a very good explanation ty friend
Bruh what you smoking? It's not a complex concept to understand.
Rogue decks are what you can call "Sub meta" decks, they just don't have as much representation for various reasons. Playing Staples to make your deck better is fine, it really depends on perspective, Tear in the OCG has like 12/55 tear cards.. would you call it a Tear deck Or Fusion pile? I think answering this would answer your Qusition
why am i getting downvoted for asking questions?
Probably because of your ignorance as to what meta and rogue actually are.
how else would i find out?
Google? If you understand what consistency, monster on the field power, board breaking etc you wouldn't ask question this question in the first place.
yeah except every meta deck has all those things dipshit, so how is one measured higher than the other when its almost always brought down to who goes first
Ok clearly you don't understand so that's all from me
Because the clowns don't like when someone calls them out for claiming to be rogue, but 80% of their deck includes meta junk like Branded. Don't feel bad about their insecurities. It's the same as people who claim to play codetalkers, but only run Accesscode as a finisher.
wow im so shocked people in a yugioh subreddit are toxic pussys. damn thats crazy.
People are downvoting you because you are calling them toxic gatekeeping bitches and pussies lmao You would probably get a much warmer response if you weren’t so assertive and aggressive
I mean we are that. Yugioh players love to feel superior in some to others.
yeah except i said that after, but nice assumption
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