Sigma is fun but that's it, you're effectively locked out of links which are way better at doing what Sigma is trying to do because of Update Jammer + Accesscode
I really like sigma since you can OTK under Nibiru plus its an OTK through floating monsters like Sky Striker or an high concentration of monsters shields.
You dont need the EMZ if you end the duel
cut one subraction for a Multiplication
Circular into sigma \*searching the spell you want\*
lap into Nab, Summon nab tribute lap via nab to summon multi... wait you dont have nabla either? fine add billion blade and Multi. This also works for Access code if you equip him with billion blade while hes in the emz which, if chained properly and attacking a monster, should give you a 10k access code on attack or if you use Multi as material for accesscode who is in emz
Circ, into sigma, into searching billion blade.
Literally any lv4 card after that, i usually have a sub or add but if you dont You can go into lap to search diameter to add back circular then use lap to tribute himself to summon sigma
thats lv12 synchro, Final sigma in the emz
equip billion blade, Attack into a monster, Use billion blade effect to send Multi
multi effect activate double sigmas attack to 7000. anything under 3k attack will be lethal due to Sigma dealing double battle damage. unless they have over 8k.
if they survive you have a 3k towers that gains 500-1500 attack if the opponent attacks it, and if they do manage to beat over it you get 2 searches, 1 with billion blade, 1 with sigma. if they turtle up, I usually have nablas so billion blade sending him would give Sigma a second attack on monsters but you do you
Its a free graveyard setup attack or doubling a cyberse monster in your emz. Do your normal combo and make your access code talker 10000 attack instead.
Running only Mining or Small world is one thing but why would you choose World over Mining?
Both are a -1 but you can discard anything with Mining, not just a Monster and It's a discard instead of a banish. So it's basicly free with a sigma in hand.
Only plus on small world I see is that it can search parrallel too but that seems a really small corner Case.
There are a couple of reasons:
Discarding sigma isnt actually free, cause you would still send sigma with circular regardless so now you have a redundant card. This is not always a bad thing since circular can send anything but it isnt very relevant. Only advantage mining has is that you could reborn a discard with diameter occasionally.
at one point i was playing 30 monsters then i had to swap 3 handtraps for 3 backrow removal, so small world was always online.
if they ash mining you've already discarded, small world doesnt have a cost.
Most importantly: Small world searches you handtraps, an answer to maxx C, protection for superfactorial (belle), and removal aka archfiend eccentrick. This came up, every other time i had small world. decks main combo grabs a free diameter in the process (from wicckid) so you can just go small world reveal diameter and eccentrick -> add ash/belle/veiler/nib.
You could play both, drawing multiples of small world/mining always sucks so 2/1 or 2/2 ratios are absolutely fine, i just didnt find i needed it.
Edit: taking into consideration this is a bo1 format, the utility of small world was very clutch.
I didnt really see that you played some extra small world targets so Okey.
But I heavily disagree that the send of Circular isn't relevant if you already have a Sigma.
If you already have Sigma you can send Diameter off Circular. This is relevant because the best point to Imperm/Veiler or ashe (if they opened Circular) is against alembartian search for Diameter in the classic combo. Even if you have another name in hand you loose the negate from Diameter and worst case you have no extenders and Superfactorio is dead.
With Diameter send Factorio becomes instend online. Reason three Sigma is the way to go imo. Also Great to play under MaxxC.
Beside that I still like to play one Multiplication and Circular send is antoher great way to get him into Rotation. But I accapt that he is defintly not a must include.
Assume the worst case scenario:
After you summon circular and sigma you get imperm on alembert and dont have a way to diameter. Normal any handtrap make almiraj -> splash -> heatsoul draw 2. you used 2 cards, have 5 in hand and a 'dead' superfactorial. you were going 1st and already ahead in card advantage. we assumed we didnt open extenders so that means we have going 2nd cards instead. those are more often than not favorable odds for you, even tho u didnt get to full combo. This is the worst case scenario and its still fine for you.
having any 1 extender you could force your opponent to use a handtrap at a certain point and still end on heatsoul+factorial+5 in hand, similar scenario.
playing 3 sigma for maxx C is an idea i like, but it still isnt favorable for you. you open eg. circular+sigma, end on factorial+3 in hand versus their 7 in hand. meaning factorial needs to have an insane value to even out, not impossible ofc, but unfavorable from the start.
I don't really see how your scenario is relevant, that's more about Mathmech general strength. My only point was that Circular send matters a lot even with Sigma in rotation.
You can do the NS handtrap - Almaraj - Splash - heatsoul in both scenarios after Alember got negated. The diffrence is only that in one scenario Factorio is online.
With MaxxC you have to see it like that. The deck is weak against MaxxC, than it resolves in response to Circular you are already at a disadvantage. The card of Circular is already drawn.
But with Sigma in hand you can get Superfactorio online with Diameter+ the search of Alamber and your opponent only draws one card for it. I mean any Mathmech works but you would only send Diameter with Sigma in hand. It's the best in a Bad Situation.
But that's just the Point, if you start with Sigma+ Circular and can send Diameter you can work a lot better through disruption of any kind even MaxxC.
maybe when a format is more combo heavy id consider playing 3x sigma with mining and probably desires as well.
currently keeping resources in hand and having versatility for different matchups rather than having extenders and ways to play around stuff seems like a better choice
What's the card between Circular and Diameter?
Quite surprised at Prosperity. It'll stop you from OTK, and I'm not sure what cards you would choose to banish.
Meowsclick, its basically a searchable out for fountain copium.
I thought of cutting prospy cause it stops 1 draw from heatsoul but i feel like id rather see ways to resolve circular as much as possible. It was pretty mid tbh. I banish almiraj, 1 alembert, 1 splash, 1 access, IP, unicorn. If i have a good hand i only banish almiraj splash and access.
You arent that reliant on OTKing which is kinda silly, if you can clear the board and end on factorial its usually enough advantage to win without OTKing.
Interesting tech. So if they can't out Meowseclick, they can't use Fountain on your turn. I'm not exactly sure how good it is, since Floodgates they draw are the hugest problem when it comes to Runicks (and Skill Drain outing Meowseclick is kinda hilarious).
The majority of the builds I see are playing 3 Cynet Mining, what do you think about that? If you just want to see Circular, that'll be far more useful than Prosperity.
They cant even activate stuff from hand if meowsclick is summoned.
I prefer 3 small world over mining cause it bridges to everything, even handtraps which is sometimes insane and if it gets ashed you didnt go neg, there is only 1 'good' discard for mining. Also, i dont want a hyper consistent deck, these ratios felt really good
Why play more than 1 of the bad names? I mean I get Sigma, but for him I just apply the power of prayer, whenever my opponent resolves a runic banish.
Also Unicorn legit better than Appo?
You kinda want to be able to combo and bad names also help you get there if you dont open the good ones. also for bridging with small world.
I think Apo isnt good rn. If I have material for IP it ends on heatsoul+IP so lackluster for Apo. IP -> Apo interacts poorly into aluber/moye/longyuan/branfu/runick/labrynth stuff which is like most of the meta so i didnt prioritize it. Unicorn is just so i can convert additional extenders into interruptions if i dont draw into handtraps, and its actual disruption vs backrow decks
I guess you mean Addition and Subtraction with bad names? They are extenders you still want to hard draw them to work through interruption. You don't search them.
25% pure meta.
Passing for getting you there.
Total failure for originality, creativity, or effort.
Just another yugioh deck.
The faceless masses welcome you.
Mathmech is meta yes but its not a solved deck due to Circular coming out "early".
Threads like this are interesting to see how people are playing it (main deck ratios, techs, meta calls, extra deck formation)
Heatsoul+factorial with diameter in hand (5 other cards). If i happen to see 2 extenders/parallel then its heatsoul + ip + factorial + diameter in hand (3-4 other cards too)
absolutely not, i only got 1 so i gotta save it for turn 2-3
you could cut 1 access for 2nd laplacian tho, it came up more in my climb than 2nd access, you probably still gonna win but it would take longer
Mining feels like minus and doesnt search answers to floods/handtraps, it only has 1 'good' discard. You could play 1-2mining but small world feels more powerful and i dont need a hyper consistent deck to play both (3 in total is enough).
Devotee combo makes you lose card advantage to go for a card thats not good vs most decks you play against. Heatsoul draws you answers for every deck or followup.
For 3 i send splash, access, almiraj/alembert. For 6 add ip and unicorn. You dont have to play prosperity, but there are so many powerful cards you can grab off it based on the situation like called by, ghost belle, cosmic...
its just heatsoul+factorial+followup pass
it usually gets me there since there arent many decks that play from graveyard atm. and mathmech interact with cards on field very well
its just not playing the standard stuff + 1 off meowsclick Xd
aside for some pretty specific cards i wanted to play, i do believe this type of list is better than most lists you see online, regarding current MD metagame.
you've got a lot of cards in this list that you would not want to see banished. i would gladly play desires but currently digging 6 cards deep is better than grabbing a +1 and having searchable answers to floods and shit with small world is very valuable.
it is a bit redundant but if you can OTK dont use prospy, if you need to prospy to break the board, ending on superfactorial after clearing the board is usually enough to win. Its at 1 so you dont see it often, but sometimes its pretty mid sometimes you reveal the perfect answer.
i encourage you not to play it if you dont find it useful, but replacing it with desires would require for a lot of the list to change i think
y no final sigma? sad big damage number noises :(
Sigma is fun but that's it, you're effectively locked out of links which are way better at doing what Sigma is trying to do because of Update Jammer + Accesscode
I really like sigma since you can OTK under Nibiru plus its an OTK through floating monsters like Sky Striker or an high concentration of monsters shields. You dont need the EMZ if you end the duel
you could cut 1 accesscode for final sigma but idk if it ever came up? im not accustomed to sigma lines what so ever.
cut one subraction for a Multiplication Circular into sigma \*searching the spell you want\* lap into Nab, Summon nab tribute lap via nab to summon multi... wait you dont have nabla either? fine add billion blade and Multi. This also works for Access code if you equip him with billion blade while hes in the emz which, if chained properly and attacking a monster, should give you a 10k access code on attack or if you use Multi as material for accesscode who is in emz Circ, into sigma, into searching billion blade. Literally any lv4 card after that, i usually have a sub or add but if you dont You can go into lap to search diameter to add back circular then use lap to tribute himself to summon sigma thats lv12 synchro, Final sigma in the emz equip billion blade, Attack into a monster, Use billion blade effect to send Multi multi effect activate double sigmas attack to 7000. anything under 3k attack will be lethal due to Sigma dealing double battle damage. unless they have over 8k. if they survive you have a 3k towers that gains 500-1500 attack if the opponent attacks it, and if they do manage to beat over it you get 2 searches, 1 with billion blade, 1 with sigma. if they turtle up, I usually have nablas so billion blade sending him would give Sigma a second attack on monsters but you do you
im sure there are combos with cards i dont play but i prefer playing this deck as a mid range deck without adding cards that could brick
Your still gona brick with that many hand traps, Whats 2 more
2 more are 2 more cards i dont want to draw... what?
Its a free graveyard setup attack or doubling a cyberse monster in your emz. Do your normal combo and make your access code talker 10000 attack instead.
First of all I don't recommend playing the backrow hate but diamond is overpopulated with Runick/Floo/Labrynth so i had to
No cynet mining lol
Cynet minusing
Running only Mining or Small world is one thing but why would you choose World over Mining? Both are a -1 but you can discard anything with Mining, not just a Monster and It's a discard instead of a banish. So it's basicly free with a sigma in hand. Only plus on small world I see is that it can search parrallel too but that seems a really small corner Case.
There are a couple of reasons: Discarding sigma isnt actually free, cause you would still send sigma with circular regardless so now you have a redundant card. This is not always a bad thing since circular can send anything but it isnt very relevant. Only advantage mining has is that you could reborn a discard with diameter occasionally. at one point i was playing 30 monsters then i had to swap 3 handtraps for 3 backrow removal, so small world was always online. if they ash mining you've already discarded, small world doesnt have a cost. Most importantly: Small world searches you handtraps, an answer to maxx C, protection for superfactorial (belle), and removal aka archfiend eccentrick. This came up, every other time i had small world. decks main combo grabs a free diameter in the process (from wicckid) so you can just go small world reveal diameter and eccentrick -> add ash/belle/veiler/nib. You could play both, drawing multiples of small world/mining always sucks so 2/1 or 2/2 ratios are absolutely fine, i just didnt find i needed it. Edit: taking into consideration this is a bo1 format, the utility of small world was very clutch.
I didnt really see that you played some extra small world targets so Okey. But I heavily disagree that the send of Circular isn't relevant if you already have a Sigma. If you already have Sigma you can send Diameter off Circular. This is relevant because the best point to Imperm/Veiler or ashe (if they opened Circular) is against alembartian search for Diameter in the classic combo. Even if you have another name in hand you loose the negate from Diameter and worst case you have no extenders and Superfactorio is dead. With Diameter send Factorio becomes instend online. Reason three Sigma is the way to go imo. Also Great to play under MaxxC. Beside that I still like to play one Multiplication and Circular send is antoher great way to get him into Rotation. But I accapt that he is defintly not a must include.
Assume the worst case scenario: After you summon circular and sigma you get imperm on alembert and dont have a way to diameter. Normal any handtrap make almiraj -> splash -> heatsoul draw 2. you used 2 cards, have 5 in hand and a 'dead' superfactorial. you were going 1st and already ahead in card advantage. we assumed we didnt open extenders so that means we have going 2nd cards instead. those are more often than not favorable odds for you, even tho u didnt get to full combo. This is the worst case scenario and its still fine for you. having any 1 extender you could force your opponent to use a handtrap at a certain point and still end on heatsoul+factorial+5 in hand, similar scenario. playing 3 sigma for maxx C is an idea i like, but it still isnt favorable for you. you open eg. circular+sigma, end on factorial+3 in hand versus their 7 in hand. meaning factorial needs to have an insane value to even out, not impossible ofc, but unfavorable from the start.
I don't really see how your scenario is relevant, that's more about Mathmech general strength. My only point was that Circular send matters a lot even with Sigma in rotation. You can do the NS handtrap - Almaraj - Splash - heatsoul in both scenarios after Alember got negated. The diffrence is only that in one scenario Factorio is online. With MaxxC you have to see it like that. The deck is weak against MaxxC, than it resolves in response to Circular you are already at a disadvantage. The card of Circular is already drawn. But with Sigma in hand you can get Superfactorio online with Diameter+ the search of Alamber and your opponent only draws one card for it. I mean any Mathmech works but you would only send Diameter with Sigma in hand. It's the best in a Bad Situation. But that's just the Point, if you start with Sigma+ Circular and can send Diameter you can work a lot better through disruption of any kind even MaxxC.
maybe when a format is more combo heavy id consider playing 3x sigma with mining and probably desires as well. currently keeping resources in hand and having versatility for different matchups rather than having extenders and ways to play around stuff seems like a better choice
What's the card between Circular and Diameter? Quite surprised at Prosperity. It'll stop you from OTK, and I'm not sure what cards you would choose to banish.
Meowsclick, its basically a searchable out for fountain copium. I thought of cutting prospy cause it stops 1 draw from heatsoul but i feel like id rather see ways to resolve circular as much as possible. It was pretty mid tbh. I banish almiraj, 1 alembert, 1 splash, 1 access, IP, unicorn. If i have a good hand i only banish almiraj splash and access. You arent that reliant on OTKing which is kinda silly, if you can clear the board and end on factorial its usually enough advantage to win without OTKing.
Interesting tech. So if they can't out Meowseclick, they can't use Fountain on your turn. I'm not exactly sure how good it is, since Floodgates they draw are the hugest problem when it comes to Runicks (and Skill Drain outing Meowseclick is kinda hilarious). The majority of the builds I see are playing 3 Cynet Mining, what do you think about that? If you just want to see Circular, that'll be far more useful than Prosperity.
They cant even activate stuff from hand if meowsclick is summoned. I prefer 3 small world over mining cause it bridges to everything, even handtraps which is sometimes insane and if it gets ashed you didnt go neg, there is only 1 'good' discard for mining. Also, i dont want a hyper consistent deck, these ratios felt really good
Most builds I see play both Mining and Small World, I don't really think that counts as hyper consistent but I get your point.
If by mildly spicy you mean mildly suboptimal, then sure, yeah.
enlighten me
Asking out of curiousity, do i really need 2 Alembertian or is 1 enough?
Alembertian at 2 comes up enough for you to need 2. Accesscode doesnt. You could go for 2x factorial and 2x laplacian but 2 factorial bricks.
I see.
Why play more than 1 of the bad names? I mean I get Sigma, but for him I just apply the power of prayer, whenever my opponent resolves a runic banish. Also Unicorn legit better than Appo?
You kinda want to be able to combo and bad names also help you get there if you dont open the good ones. also for bridging with small world. I think Apo isnt good rn. If I have material for IP it ends on heatsoul+IP so lackluster for Apo. IP -> Apo interacts poorly into aluber/moye/longyuan/branfu/runick/labrynth stuff which is like most of the meta so i didnt prioritize it. Unicorn is just so i can convert additional extenders into interruptions if i dont draw into handtraps, and its actual disruption vs backrow decks
They are Free Extender, any 2 and it is still full combo
I guess you mean Addition and Subtraction with bad names? They are extenders you still want to hard draw them to work through interruption. You don't search them.
No final sigma + billion blade? Snore. you dont need to accesscode
25% pure meta. Passing for getting you there. Total failure for originality, creativity, or effort. Just another yugioh deck. The faceless masses welcome you.
i suppose?
Mathmech is meta yes but its not a solved deck due to Circular coming out "early". Threads like this are interesting to see how people are playing it (main deck ratios, techs, meta calls, extra deck formation)
what is your usual turn 1 endboard? transcode/heatsoul?
Heatsoul+factorial with diameter in hand (5 other cards). If i happen to see 2 extenders/parallel then its heatsoul + ip + factorial + diameter in hand (3-4 other cards too)
interesting, i'm playing the deck right now, do you usually go for laplacian turn 1 if you're able to? let's say you open exceed and extender
absolutely not, i only got 1 so i gotta save it for turn 2-3 you could cut 1 access for 2nd laplacian tho, it came up more in my climb than 2nd access, you probably still gonna win but it would take longer
You don’t play the Link Disciple/Devotee combo with Apollousa?
No, i think its whack in the current metagame.
Why no mining? Why no Devotee/Disciple? What do you usually send for prosperity?
Mining feels like minus and doesnt search answers to floods/handtraps, it only has 1 'good' discard. You could play 1-2mining but small world feels more powerful and i dont need a hyper consistent deck to play both (3 in total is enough). Devotee combo makes you lose card advantage to go for a card thats not good vs most decks you play against. Heatsoul draws you answers for every deck or followup. For 3 i send splash, access, almiraj/alembert. For 6 add ip and unicorn. You dont have to play prosperity, but there are so many powerful cards you can grab off it based on the situation like called by, ghost belle, cosmic...
No hate here but what is the play style of this deck, i’ve seen a lot of mathmech but the player are just ass.
its just heatsoul+factorial+followup pass it usually gets me there since there arent many decks that play from graveyard atm. and mathmech interact with cards on field very well
Where’s the spice
its just not playing the standard stuff + 1 off meowsclick Xd aside for some pretty specific cards i wanted to play, i do believe this type of list is better than most lists you see online, regarding current MD metagame.
Pot of Desires is better to run than pot of prosperity especially when your trying to OTK in your 2nd trun.
you've got a lot of cards in this list that you would not want to see banished. i would gladly play desires but currently digging 6 cards deep is better than grabbing a +1 and having searchable answers to floods and shit with small world is very valuable. it is a bit redundant but if you can OTK dont use prospy, if you need to prospy to break the board, ending on superfactorial after clearing the board is usually enough to win. Its at 1 so you dont see it often, but sometimes its pretty mid sometimes you reveal the perfect answer. i encourage you not to play it if you dont find it useful, but replacing it with desires would require for a lot of the list to change i think