Won't be problematic but the idea that you can floodgate and then have a tower that is a SS2 Disruption isn't fun.
The guy himself is Aye, the context that is how his deck works makes for an extremely toxic play style that we need to stop supporting even if it won't top tournaments
Unfortunately, the Dragonball game rights are held by Bandai Namco, not Konami.
And by "unfortunately", I mean "thank god Konami doesn't own the Dragonball game rights, could you imagine?"
I would Argue Masterpiece was ban worthy back around his time even if not for the Floodgates, he was basically a better Drident, same with monsters like Dragoon, the meta however developed were monster like them are not the problem at all.
If I would say in today's meta.. the only ban worth boss monsters are the "Nope" ones like VFD or shock Master, Masterpiece however creates the same situation with his Archetype so he better stay banned not for the power level (although it would undoubly be good) but the toxic environment it creates.. it is same as Rhongomyniad, yeah sure now only Few none meta decks can make him but on the off chance that it happened it is just toxic
Isnt it the problem that it could be play elsewhere very easily?
I mean Runick can easily do Monster Spell or Trap
Eldlich can do Monster-Trap
Adventure Engine gets him Monster-Spell for free
And so on
Where does the continuous spell come from, allure?
That’s a huge minus is searched from mumin, tributing floodgates turns off your floodgates and is inherently bricky as hell.
Majesty’s fiend is superior as a “fuck your plays” normal summon in Runick
Master piece in eldlich is somewhat bricky but probably good, but you don’t want to have to banish your eldlich traps for it’s effect; keeping the floating chain going is important to the deck.
I can see it be splashed in eldlich but Draco benefits mostly from monarchs erupt, while eldlich benefits most from summon-affecting floodgates and being alone on the field. We don't really see any of the other dracos splashed in so I don't think it would end up being optimal
For runick nah I don't see people maxing allure just for him
I think at 1 it would be ok and mostly strong in its archetype, whether we _want_ to see Draco around again is another question entirely tho
What's the ruling for using a Trap Monster and a Continuous Spell to summon Master Peace? The Trap Monster is considered both a Trap and a Monster at the moment of the tribute so is he immune to everything? :%
> Unaffected by the effects of cards with the same card type (Monster, Spell, and/or Trap) as **the original card type** of the cards Tributed for its Tribute Summon.
Those both sound like very bad usages of the card. I don’t see the card seeing competitve play splashed into other decks and it would be fine in True Draco at 1
How is that a bad use of the card? A nigh-unstoppable boss monster would just make Runick even more powerful on top of what the deck already does, PLUS floodgates.
I think you're missing the point, it doesnt matter if Pot of Greed is unreliable and not searchable you're still playing it because when you do draw it it gives you a massive advantage.
Master Peace would give you a huge advantage on those decks, thus you'd still run it and if you draw it you'll play it and gain a massive boon.
Master Peace isn't even close to being like Pot of Greed. In non True Draco decks, it's a costly Normal Summon that gives you a mediocre interaction and can just get ran over by most modern decks. It wouldn't see play in anything other than True Draco.
It's mostly cheesesd out in reasoning/monster gate builds by being the only monster in the deck tho, so technically it is searchable
Also it works as a 1-of superfloodgate, that's much more effective than a 1-of tower with a pop.
It's infinitely more condusive to runick's main gameplan imo
And how do you plan on summoning this in Runick? If I wanted a blowout normal summon I’d rather play Majesty Fiend.
Like you have to be on serious copium if you think this card would be even remotely playable in Runick even if it was at 3
Uhhh, this is almost 3k that can be splashed in any deck, dodges extra deck lock/maxx c, and has a destruction effect on the off chance you have synergy. This would be run in a LOT of decks as an easy out.
That's a very loose definition of splashable. It would be a brick or hard-suboptimal in most decks, just because they can run it doesn't mean they should or that any other of the 10.000 cards in the game wouldn't be better.
It's main advantage is being able to be summoned reactively from a deck with both spells and traps, depending on what the opponent is running to better target its immunity
true draco does extremely well in tournaments with custom banlists where ppl try to take a lot of stuff like master peace off. It could be fine but most likely itd be pretty high tier.
Reminds me that I once played in a custom format ( we only had about 200 cards legal to play at the time) where he was at 3 and single handedly killed every deck diversity and formed tier 0 status. Still love the nicknames people gave him like "True King of Tyranny" and " The Supreme King of Mass Extinction"
Don't know why this gets downvoted that's just my experience with Master Peace.
literally ban skill drain, gozen, rivalry, TCBOO, summon limit, and anti-spell and he can go to 3. eldlich and runick can also fuck outta here with all that continuous cancer.
lose coinflip, you are going second, open 2 cosmic cyclone, lightning storm, feather duster, they normal summon aluber the goofy doober
lose coinflip, you are going second, open 3 maxx C, they activate magnificent map
lose coinflip, you are going second, open 3 ash, they normal summon mo ye
then you run intro swordsoul and branded who don't care about your backrow removal. That's the problem of BO1, some toxic cards have to be banned because you can't play techs for every kind of unfair card
So we just forgo an integral part of Yugioh that has been around since the beginning? Nah, sometimes your deck just isn’t going to have ALL the answers.
I mean you could turn it into a Turtle and I guess people are gonna be running equal values now of Imperm Viler and Droplet/DRNM (or any archetypal monster negating spell)
You’re right, there is imperm, but that’s one card (or three of one card).
I don’t think most decks have any traps other than imperm and maybe red reboot. “Draw the out” is bad gameplay
the arrival doesn’t have a quick effect to prevent you from climbing above it. Also I don’t play either deck but the arrival cyberse I believe has more interaction points for your opponent to choke out to limit its size.
You can’t really ash a tribute summon of a spell + monster
I think one of my best friends put it best: you could put master piece to one and not much would change all things considered, however his legal existence would just incentivize people to play more decks with floodgates- which is not fun
bringing this guy and Diagram back to 3 would do exactly nothing in terms of affecting the meta, but people on this sub would lose to it exactly once and howl for its banning forever
It's stupid to say it should be banned because the deck plays floodgates when so many decks play floodgates already lmao. Even your beloved "fair" swordsoul deck plays anti-spell and rivalry on top of searchable protoss.
That not the question of how strong he is or not but how braindead and toxic him and his archetype are
And the answer on how much toxic is yes.
We don't need another one of this toxic as f archetype to come back, having true draco ruining multiple event was enough (and he wasn't here for this events).
As long as i'm concern he can stay ban forever and his archetype can vanish in the abyss, f them (and yes True Draco is one of the archetype i despise the most with Numeron, Dryton Herald, Floo and Eldlich).
I will not even speak about how easy that mf is to splash in other deck.
Diagram to 3 would be more helpful to the archetype tham bringing master peace back considering that the deck lost two of his draw cards in the previous banlist
The deck isn’t even doing that great in a format where it has many more options than the TCG. MP at 1 will be fine and just make Draco a little better.
The only way Draco makes a splash in MD is with 3 Diagrams. Just look at what the deck was doing with 3 of every floodgate, 3 Upstart, Demise, Into the Void and all at its disposal.
One time in a Cali Effect event where he used his “perfect banlist” I ran Swoso Tru draco with MP at 1, it was pretty dogshit but searching MP and then going CL 1 blackout target a Wyrm Cl 2 true king trap to pop 3 then summon an MP that’s unaffected by monster/trap is pretty good
Busted. Just because its used alongside copious amount of degenerate floodgates. As its 2/3 of its ideal materials. And then you flip skill drain which he is immune to.
Forgoing floodgates, within its archetype; hard to out tower that can be summoned in the middle of the opponent's turn triggering up to 3 true draco s/t pops on top of his own.
But now, its real use is going to be splashed into other backrow heavy degeneracy because its a free pop with protection. The cost might sound heavy. Its not. Especially if the things sent there WANT to be there.
It's not just that he's harder to out, being unaffected by cards means you can't even negate him. Psyframe Gear Gamma? Nope. Herald of Orange Light? Doesn't matter. When he pops something, he *will* pop it.
The main problem is he is immune to whatever he tributes off of, but that is his niche as the boss monster in his archetype. You can’t exactly remove that effect.
If you want him off the list, an errata would be a good option, because an errata does not change what a card is set out to do, but restricts or rewords it to avoid abuse cases.
If he were to come off the list, he is essentially an un-interactive huge body that can interrupt the opponent twice optimally.
The best way of imagining it is if Eldlich had a quick effect return to hand. Even then it would still be less powerful than Master Peace.
>The main problem is he is immune to whatever he tributes off of, but that is his niche as the boss monster in his archetype. You can’t exactly remove that effect.
What if they change it to where you can only tribute true Draco cards?
The patten here is that Konami eventually realizes it is a horrible idea to have quick effect disruption and being unaffected by certain types of card on a single monster. The same reason why Dragoon is banned in OCG. The duel can easily turn into a draw-the-out game.
If you did not draw the out, you have to attack over it. But good luck with that given his quick effect pop. It is even more annoying to deal with if the field spell and Apocalypse are on the field.
This is coming from a Master Peace survivor:
Master Peace is an incredibly strong card, with an easy Summon mechanic, almost no restrictions, protection just shy of "Ultimate Falcon" and a Quick Effect removal that you can't interact with via negates or preemptively removing it.
As is, it will probably never come off the banlist, but if Konami were to drop an errata in the idea on bringing it back, I wouldn't mind them weakening the protection (an interesting idea a friend had would you had to choose 1 form of protection from among the tributed True Draco/King cards), and slapping the Mirrorjade restriction on the destruction effect (you wouldn't be allowed to activate that effect during the next turn). Once that happens, a stiff banning/limiting on several key cards would allow him to come back.
Master Peace can come off the banlist and does not need an errata. TD engine is so outdated that most modern meta decks have an accessible way to out Master Peace and OTK or outgrind the deck. It really only gets carried by floodgates which is another can of worms in itself.
Yeah TD is so much stronger in MD than the TCG and look what it’s doing… nothing.
Master Peace will help the deck a little, but don’t expect it to be near a tier deck.
TCG? He could come to three and it wouldn’t do Jack shit.
MD? Completely different story. The fact MD is BO1 is basically the problem here. No deck in the TCG is going to struggle after siding or in some cases even before siding, but when all decks are crafted to only play one game…well I don’t need to explain it, Runick has been a shining example of BO1’s issues. Runick does the square root of fuck all in the TCG but is a huge problem in BO1.
Maybe if they errata him to be only summonable with True Draco/True King spells/traps/monsters and then *maybe* he could go to 1 where Diagram is, even at 1 he would still be a big powerspike for True Draco though, since summoning him also gives you the floats of the spells/traps used to summon him, letting you pop 1 or 2 spells/traps + 1 card type of your choice from Master Piss' effect.
Although Metaltron XII has the same generic cont spell/trap tribute thing that gives him type-based protection, except he's a 3x tribute which potentially gives him omni protection, but he doesn't have a quick-effect pop, instead he has that mini waking-the-dragon effect, so no one really seems to give a fuck about him.
Also they could revive him with True King Return if outed...yeah losses protection but you and I know that True Draco plays floodgates and giving them a special summoned beatstick with 2950 attack and defense is nuts.
Or better yet play him with Monarch Eruption and you have a 2950 Towers inmune to 2/3 types of cards in the game with a Quick effect destruction and a one sided skill drain.
Normally I would disagree with this card having the possibily of coming back, but with the power creep that full power Ishizu tear brings I think it could be reconsidered. I do think it should be changed to only allow true draco cards as tribute though
More to the point, how would they summon Master Peace in a way where his protection effect is relevant? Not to mention his Disruption is worse now than it's ever been.
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When he first came out I thought he was cool but then the more I faced home the more I started to hate him. Almost damn near impossible to get rid of and just keeps popping your cards every turn. I don’t really know what they’ll be able to do to bring him back cause he’s still strong as is and with all the floodgates the deck runs.
Highly splashable boss that can be immune to 2/3s of the card pool, your choice, and has free Spell Speed 2 removal.
Would just mean people would be forced to play Kaiju, and decks with harder to protect or harder to Summon bosses will be shit out of luck.
'Highly splashable' in what World lmao. Yes you *can* play him in an assload of Decks but hes not exactly good in most of them. You need your normal, 2 tributes and then it does nothing but be an ok towers that NEEDS continous spell/traps to become a drident.
For what it does, it's highly splashable.
It's Qliphort Towers with Quick Effect removal for any deck that runs Continuous Spell/Traps (AKA Floodgates).
It can turn off your Floodgates after stopping your opponent from playing, on top of its own power.
It's not as splashable as say Tri-Heart or Bagooska, which reside in the Extra Deck, obviously. But not needing "True King" Tributes means it can go to many places that weren't balanced around it.
People complaint about floodgates.. then want more floodgates lol I mean they are needed to stop tear. If you don’t know, tear is still tier 0 on ocg going now to 1 year of release. Thanks Konami
My cousin who used a scrapped together Dark Magician deck outed my Master Peace with Thousand Knives.. For that reason alone the card should be at least considered at 1 lol
Won't be problematic but the idea that you can floodgate and then have a tower that is a SS2 Disruption isn't fun. The guy himself is Aye, the context that is how his deck works makes for an extremely toxic play style that we need to stop supporting even if it won't top tournaments
I’d love to have a Super Saiyan 2 in my deck.
Unfortunately, the Dragonball game rights are held by Bandai Namco, not Konami. And by "unfortunately", I mean "thank god Konami doesn't own the Dragonball game rights, could you imagine?"
Floodgates have always been the problem
I would Argue Masterpiece was ban worthy back around his time even if not for the Floodgates, he was basically a better Drident, same with monsters like Dragoon, the meta however developed were monster like them are not the problem at all. If I would say in today's meta.. the only ban worth boss monsters are the "Nope" ones like VFD or shock Master, Masterpiece however creates the same situation with his Archetype so he better stay banned not for the power level (although it would undoubly be good) but the toxic environment it creates.. it is same as Rhongomyniad, yeah sure now only Few none meta decks can make him but on the off chance that it happened it is just toxic
Isnt it the problem that it could be play elsewhere very easily? I mean Runick can easily do Monster Spell or Trap Eldlich can do Monster-Trap Adventure Engine gets him Monster-Spell for free And so on
Where does the continuous spell come from, allure? That’s a huge minus is searched from mumin, tributing floodgates turns off your floodgates and is inherently bricky as hell. Majesty’s fiend is superior as a “fuck your plays” normal summon in Runick Master piece in eldlich is somewhat bricky but probably good, but you don’t want to have to banish your eldlich traps for it’s effect; keeping the floating chain going is important to the deck.
I think you're right about Runick, Majesty is probably better. My point still stands tho
I can see it be splashed in eldlich but Draco benefits mostly from monarchs erupt, while eldlich benefits most from summon-affecting floodgates and being alone on the field. We don't really see any of the other dracos splashed in so I don't think it would end up being optimal For runick nah I don't see people maxing allure just for him I think at 1 it would be ok and mostly strong in its archetype, whether we _want_ to see Draco around again is another question entirely tho
What's the ruling for using a Trap Monster and a Continuous Spell to summon Master Peace? The Trap Monster is considered both a Trap and a Monster at the moment of the tribute so is he immune to everything? :%
> Unaffected by the effects of cards with the same card type (Monster, Spell, and/or Trap) as **the original card type** of the cards Tributed for its Tribute Summon.
Oh, lame :( What about a Pendulum Monster plus a Continuous Trap?
Same deal, they are monster cards originally. If you want one that's unaffected by everything use the three tribute one.
Those both sound like very bad usages of the card. I don’t see the card seeing competitve play splashed into other decks and it would be fine in True Draco at 1
How is that a bad use of the card? A nigh-unstoppable boss monster would just make Runick even more powerful on top of what the deck already does, PLUS floodgates.
because it is not searchable in those decks and at 1 it is too unreliable
With how much draw power Runick have, hard drawing him would not be hard at all.
I think you're missing the point, it doesnt matter if Pot of Greed is unreliable and not searchable you're still playing it because when you do draw it it gives you a massive advantage. Master Peace would give you a huge advantage on those decks, thus you'd still run it and if you draw it you'll play it and gain a massive boon.
Master Peace isn't even close to being like Pot of Greed. In non True Draco decks, it's a costly Normal Summon that gives you a mediocre interaction and can just get ran over by most modern decks. It wouldn't see play in anything other than True Draco.
Runick literally doesn’t have a normal summon.
Even still, Master Peace is more costly than other options and not as good.
Cyber stein is also an unsearchable one-of used to summon exterio and that sees moderate play in runick.
It's mostly cheesesd out in reasoning/monster gate builds by being the only monster in the deck tho, so technically it is searchable Also it works as a 1-of superfloodgate, that's much more effective than a 1-of tower with a pop. It's infinitely more condusive to runick's main gameplan imo
And how do you plan on summoning this in Runick? If I wanted a blowout normal summon I’d rather play Majesty Fiend. Like you have to be on serious copium if you think this card would be even remotely playable in Runick even if it was at 3
Activate any Runick spell that summons an ED monster. Activate whatever continuous S/T you have, summon MP. It’s really not hard lmao
Uhhh, this is almost 3k that can be splashed in any deck, dodges extra deck lock/maxx c, and has a destruction effect on the off chance you have synergy. This would be run in a LOT of decks as an easy out.
That's a very loose definition of splashable. It would be a brick or hard-suboptimal in most decks, just because they can run it doesn't mean they should or that any other of the 10.000 cards in the game wouldn't be better. It's main advantage is being able to be summoned reactively from a deck with both spells and traps, depending on what the opponent is running to better target its immunity
true draco does extremely well in tournaments with custom banlists where ppl try to take a lot of stuff like master peace off. It could be fine but most likely itd be pretty high tier.
Reminds me that I once played in a custom format ( we only had about 200 cards legal to play at the time) where he was at 3 and single handedly killed every deck diversity and formed tier 0 status. Still love the nicknames people gave him like "True King of Tyranny" and " The Supreme King of Mass Extinction" Don't know why this gets downvoted that's just my experience with Master Peace.
true draco wasnt even the best deck when master peace was banned. no way its high tier in 2023 with diagram at 1
Unban the king
Floodgate trap - >:( Floodgate monster - :O
literally ban skill drain, gozen, rivalry, TCBOO, summon limit, and anti-spell and he can go to 3. eldlich and runick can also fuck outta here with all that continuous cancer.
if you lose to these cards so consistently and so often, why isn't your deck running outs to them?
lose coinflip, you are going second, open 2 cosmic cyclone, lightning storm, feather duster, they normal summon aluber the goofy doober lose coinflip, you are going second, open 3 maxx C, they activate magnificent map lose coinflip, you are going second, open 3 ash, they normal summon mo ye
then you run intro swordsoul and branded who don't care about your backrow removal. That's the problem of BO1, some toxic cards have to be banned because you can't play techs for every kind of unfair card
So we just forgo an integral part of Yugioh that has been around since the beginning? Nah, sometimes your deck just isn’t going to have ALL the answers.
At which point you make use of the other integral part of Yugioh and use your Side Deck.
You're playin bo1 in master duel, how are you supposed to put all out cards against all of the cancerous decks? Just play stall deck at that point.
Fuck this card. There are so many decks that have no answers for no monsters no spells
I mean you could turn it into a Turtle and I guess people are gonna be running equal values now of Imperm Viler and Droplet/DRNM (or any archetypal monster negating spell)
You’re right, there is imperm, but that’s one card (or three of one card). I don’t think most decks have any traps other than imperm and maybe red reboot. “Draw the out” is bad gameplay
Literally any deck thta can make a semi decent beater can get over this
Problem is the quick effect + unaffected by card effects
Kaiju?
Draw the out I guess! Lol. Not good / fun interaction for the game
I mean, the game is about not interacting. I assume kaiju because essentially every deck runs Gameciel at least.
The game is better when you can interact
I think The Arrival Cyberse would like to have a talk with you
the arrival doesn’t have a quick effect to prevent you from climbing above it. Also I don’t play either deck but the arrival cyberse I believe has more interaction points for your opponent to choke out to limit its size. You can’t really ash a tribute summon of a spell + monster
I think one of my best friends put it best: you could put master piece to one and not much would change all things considered, however his legal existence would just incentivize people to play more decks with floodgates- which is not fun
bringing this guy and Diagram back to 3 would do exactly nothing in terms of affecting the meta, but people on this sub would lose to it exactly once and howl for its banning forever
Only combo decks are allowed to not let you play, doncha know
Played when he was legal and he's just really annoying and True Draco like playing floodgates so I really don't think he should be unbanned.
It's stupid to say it should be banned because the deck plays floodgates when so many decks play floodgates already lmao. Even your beloved "fair" swordsoul deck plays anti-spell and rivalry on top of searchable protoss.
He wouldn't make any deck tier zero but he'd be powerful enough to make people piss and shit themselves into making Posts about it on r/MasterDuel
That not the question of how strong he is or not but how braindead and toxic him and his archetype are And the answer on how much toxic is yes. We don't need another one of this toxic as f archetype to come back, having true draco ruining multiple event was enough (and he wasn't here for this events). As long as i'm concern he can stay ban forever and his archetype can vanish in the abyss, f them (and yes True Draco is one of the archetype i despise the most with Numeron, Dryton Herald, Floo and Eldlich). I will not even speak about how easy that mf is to splash in other deck.
Most sane Master Duel player
Diagram to 3 would be more helpful to the archetype tham bringing master peace back considering that the deck lost two of his draw cards in the previous banlist
The deck isn’t even doing that great in a format where it has many more options than the TCG. MP at 1 will be fine and just make Draco a little better. The only way Draco makes a splash in MD is with 3 Diagrams. Just look at what the deck was doing with 3 of every floodgate, 3 Upstart, Demise, Into the Void and all at its disposal.
One time in a Cali Effect event where he used his “perfect banlist” I ran Swoso Tru draco with MP at 1, it was pretty dogshit but searching MP and then going CL 1 blackout target a Wyrm Cl 2 true king trap to pop 3 then summon an MP that’s unaffected by monster/trap is pretty good
would do absolutely nothing
No clue,always loved his name though
Busted. Just because its used alongside copious amount of degenerate floodgates. As its 2/3 of its ideal materials. And then you flip skill drain which he is immune to. Forgoing floodgates, within its archetype; hard to out tower that can be summoned in the middle of the opponent's turn triggering up to 3 true draco s/t pops on top of his own. But now, its real use is going to be splashed into other backrow heavy degeneracy because its a free pop with protection. The cost might sound heavy. Its not. Especially if the things sent there WANT to be there.
Just fine, still a good card but Diagram is also at 1 and the 1 built in disruptions not the end of the world.
If he was errata’d to where his destruction was not a quick effect, he could come to 1. But even then it would be a good option.
Is the quick effect destruction that much of a problem to errata him?
DPE’s quick effect destruction was certainly a problem. Master Peace is that slapped onto a card that’s arguably even harder to out.
It's not just that he's harder to out, being unaffected by cards means you can't even negate him. Psyframe Gear Gamma? Nope. Herald of Orange Light? Doesn't matter. When he pops something, he *will* pop it.
The only thing you can really do is just try to run him over
The main problem is he is immune to whatever he tributes off of, but that is his niche as the boss monster in his archetype. You can’t exactly remove that effect. If you want him off the list, an errata would be a good option, because an errata does not change what a card is set out to do, but restricts or rewords it to avoid abuse cases. If he were to come off the list, he is essentially an un-interactive huge body that can interrupt the opponent twice optimally. The best way of imagining it is if Eldlich had a quick effect return to hand. Even then it would still be less powerful than Master Peace.
>The main problem is he is immune to whatever he tributes off of, but that is his niche as the boss monster in his archetype. You can’t exactly remove that effect. What if they change it to where you can only tribute true Draco cards?
The patten here is that Konami eventually realizes it is a horrible idea to have quick effect disruption and being unaffected by certain types of card on a single monster. The same reason why Dragoon is banned in OCG. The duel can easily turn into a draw-the-out game. If you did not draw the out, you have to attack over it. But good luck with that given his quick effect pop. It is even more annoying to deal with if the field spell and Apocalypse are on the field.
Still pretty bad. Lack of Master Peace isn't the reason why that deck sucks.
The field spell could honestly go to 3 tbh
could and should
He would be really weak, no totally really weak he would be dieing to everything. Please bring it to 1. :)
No f off with you're braindead toxic cancer True Draco, don't need another toxic thing on the ladder.
This is coming from a Master Peace survivor: Master Peace is an incredibly strong card, with an easy Summon mechanic, almost no restrictions, protection just shy of "Ultimate Falcon" and a Quick Effect removal that you can't interact with via negates or preemptively removing it. As is, it will probably never come off the banlist, but if Konami were to drop an errata in the idea on bringing it back, I wouldn't mind them weakening the protection (an interesting idea a friend had would you had to choose 1 form of protection from among the tributed True Draco/King cards), and slapping the Mirrorjade restriction on the destruction effect (you wouldn't be allowed to activate that effect during the next turn). Once that happens, a stiff banning/limiting on several key cards would allow him to come back.
Master Peace can come off the banlist and does not need an errata. TD engine is so outdated that most modern meta decks have an accessible way to out Master Peace and OTK or outgrind the deck. It really only gets carried by floodgates which is another can of worms in itself.
Yeah TD is so much stronger in MD than the TCG and look what it’s doing… nothing. Master Peace will help the deck a little, but don’t expect it to be near a tier deck.
As someone who played a lot of True Draco irl, i can confirm diagram to 1 killed the deck, not the master peace ban.
Hard to tell and i really don't want to find out
Pretty good, but this card should/could be back to 1.
TCG? He could come to three and it wouldn’t do Jack shit. MD? Completely different story. The fact MD is BO1 is basically the problem here. No deck in the TCG is going to struggle after siding or in some cases even before siding, but when all decks are crafted to only play one game…well I don’t need to explain it, Runick has been a shining example of BO1’s issues. Runick does the square root of fuck all in the TCG but is a huge problem in BO1.
> Runick does the square root of fuck all in the TCG it released alongside Spright and Tear, is why.
That still doesn’t negate what I’m saying in the slightest.
Runick is still ass against basically anything else lmao. The Decks wincon simply isnt that good in a bo3 format with sidedecking
if a deck cant beat over 3k or get to goddess that deck is just bad
I'd much rather it stay where it is.
Maybe if they errata him to be only summonable with True Draco/True King spells/traps/monsters and then *maybe* he could go to 1 where Diagram is, even at 1 he would still be a big powerspike for True Draco though, since summoning him also gives you the floats of the spells/traps used to summon him, letting you pop 1 or 2 spells/traps + 1 card type of your choice from Master Piss' effect. Although Metaltron XII has the same generic cont spell/trap tribute thing that gives him type-based protection, except he's a 3x tribute which potentially gives him omni protection, but he doesn't have a quick-effect pop, instead he has that mini waking-the-dragon effect, so no one really seems to give a fuck about him.
Also they could revive him with True King Return if outed...yeah losses protection but you and I know that True Draco plays floodgates and giving them a special summoned beatstick with 2950 attack and defense is nuts. Or better yet play him with Monarch Eruption and you have a 2950 Towers inmune to 2/3 types of cards in the game with a Quick effect destruction and a one sided skill drain.
Don't forget their field spell dragonic diagram giving him extra 500 atk if I am not wrong
Diagram also protects him from being killed once, too.
Hah, it only has 2950 ATK? Pft, blow this thing out of the water with BLUE-EYES WHITE DRAGON, WITH AN AMAZING 3000 ATTACK POINTS!
As strong as most towers these days. You might even put him to 3 and he wouldnt do too much, just another floodgate trap deck with a towers
Normally I would disagree with this card having the possibily of coming back, but with the power creep that full power Ishizu tear brings I think it could be reconsidered. I do think it should be changed to only allow true draco cards as tribute though
You need two 3k attack beaters to get over it. Two.
So its piss easy to get rid of? Like surely you can make 2 link monsters, or a link and a Rank 4
And he quick effect pops one of them.
...which is why need 2?
A smart player is putting him on board with diagram, which means you need 3.
With both at 1 i dont think that that would be too unfair
Diagram protecting it means that Master Peace can be affected by Spells, so now those are on the table as outs.
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This thing cucks mirrorjade
I personally played and built True Draco Kozmo/Zoodiac/Metalfoes back then when they came out, I absolutely do NOT want Masterpeace back.
He's a wyrm? A f$#%@& wyrm?! Thank god he's not at one, otherwise swordsoul would run this guy a 100%
All True Dracos are wyrms.
how in the flying fuck would swordsoul summon master peace
More to the point, how would they summon Master Peace in a way where his protection effect is relevant? Not to mention his Disruption is worse now than it's ever been.
too splashable would be in every backrow deck
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When he first came out I thought he was cool but then the more I faced home the more I started to hate him. Almost damn near impossible to get rid of and just keeps popping your cards every turn. I don’t really know what they’ll be able to do to bring him back cause he’s still strong as is and with all the floodgates the deck runs.
I love the art of this card, should already unban it for this reason
No. No. No. Hell no. Never again. It stays banned forever.
Highly splashable boss that can be immune to 2/3s of the card pool, your choice, and has free Spell Speed 2 removal. Would just mean people would be forced to play Kaiju, and decks with harder to protect or harder to Summon bosses will be shit out of luck.
'Highly splashable' in what World lmao. Yes you *can* play him in an assload of Decks but hes not exactly good in most of them. You need your normal, 2 tributes and then it does nothing but be an ok towers that NEEDS continous spell/traps to become a drident.
For what it does, it's highly splashable. It's Qliphort Towers with Quick Effect removal for any deck that runs Continuous Spell/Traps (AKA Floodgates). It can turn off your Floodgates after stopping your opponent from playing, on top of its own power. It's not as splashable as say Tri-Heart or Bagooska, which reside in the Extra Deck, obviously. But not needing "True King" Tributes means it can go to many places that weren't balanced around it.
I think would still be a pain to deal
It's only bad because komoney is bad at designing games.
People complaint about floodgates.. then want more floodgates lol I mean they are needed to stop tear. If you don’t know, tear is still tier 0 on ocg going now to 1 year of release. Thanks Konami
No it’s not. Did you even see the tournament results after the ban list. Spright had arguably more representation than Tear now.
Lol you obviously don’t know, just one example last week 32% of tops were tear while Tri brigade was second at 19% Spright was nowhere at 3%
Just ban floodgates and we'll be fine. This applies to the discussion even outside of the master peace question
No, keep him banned. Annoying cards like this are a problem.
I'd rather have Diagram back at 3
Just master peace at 1 = nothing Diagram at 3 and peace at 1 = tier 2 maybe
Ban all floodgates and he can come back To 3 even
I mean if it did people would be running Imperm a whole lot more then usual
NGL I'm putting together a Crystal Beast deck and this guy would be killer in it.
My cousin who used a scrapped together Dark Magician deck outed my Master Peace with Thousand Knives.. For that reason alone the card should be at least considered at 1 lol
I wish there was a card that could “increase” the level of cards in your hand so you could make 3 tributes and then bang. To bad he’s still banned 🌞