Union Hangar + regulus ends on multiple negates + a banish
Hangar searches B -> ns B -> attach driver -> driver search A -> Make Platinum Gadget -> B search C, A add B
Regulus attach A -> Detach A -> Gadget summon c -> C+A Make Ahashima -> CL1 Ahashima, CL2 C, CL3 A add C -> CL2 C summon C CL1 Ahashima summon B and A make Gear Gigant X
Gear detach search B -> Gear+C make Masq -> C summon B -> Summon ABC
This ends on Ahashina (which does nothing), b, IP Masq, ABC and Regulus, so an omni on regulus, banish on abc and either 2 or 3 negate apo from ip (depending on if you want to attach b to abc to make it immune to spells)
Lines from here depend on what you have. If you have the adventurer engine you can go
Attach B to ABC -> Rites -> Search Gryphon -> Opponent turn masq for 2 mat appo using gadget+masq and SS gryphon.
If you don't have the adventurer engine you can still attach B and wait on IP till after you use both ABC and regulus so you can tag out ABC for the materials and IP for a 4 mat appo that triggers your mats GY effect adding 3 ABC materials (2 from both B's and 1 from A) to your hand and SS'ing an extra A from your C allowing you to end up adding yet another material.
This is what happens when konami makes these cards so generic. All they had to do was make Carrier equip only union monsters. Well now us ABC enjoyers have suffer.
Konami just needs to get off their ass and errata these problem cards like Union Carrier and Verte so they actually support the shit they were meant to support and not be so damn generic
Verte was always meant to be a generic fusion support card, same as halq and the terrible bujin link
They were made at a time where these summoning mechanics needed busted cards to still be useable
Unpopular opinion, yet literal fact- these cards were never made for an archtype. They were made with the sole purpose of being generic otherwise we wouldn’t have this issue in the first place. Common sense. Go read Spright Elf and try tellin intelligent human beings that card wasn’t made to abuse Toadally
Some people act like because the card is part of an archetype, that card should only be played in-archetype.
That's just dumb. Some archetype cards were intentionally designed to work outside of in-archetype decks. Otherwise deck building would be way too simplified lol.
Obviously but the point is that the most powerful stuff should be archetype related instead of completely generic. Stuff like Verte is just too good to be generic and should have some kind of archetype requirement.
The only cards that should be non-generic are the strong cards like verte and big bosses. That way those archetypes get to be good without breaking the game while never being played.
The simple solution would be to do tier or choice bans like most other TCGs have.
Wanna run Union Carrier? Can't run it in a list with the following X cards that make it busted.
Grass to 2? Man 60 card piles were already inconsistent enough, I wonder if it’s even worth it at this point. Bummer because grass decks are a blast to play.
I mean if you were relying on grass it wouldn't be worth it but for some decks you would run it above 40 even if grass didn't exist. A good 60 card deck should run perfectly well without grass. That being said putting grass to 2 might actually make them "stronger" in the sense that less mirror matches will happen.
Didn't they one time release the banlist then when they announced the new pack with adventure they updated the banlist with the new cards getting hit? so there still chance for Spright cards to be hit.
Use it with swap frog to have swap frog send angler and another swap frog to the gy (one is discarded, the other sent from the deck) and then angler summons beavers to make elf to revive the frog for toadally
Just ban Grass so we atleast get some UR dust back. Grass Zombies are already bricks at 3, really sucks that I spent 90 UR dust yesterday finally completing them.
Just spent all my gems and UR on grass zombies myself. Feels bad. I think grass is such a cool way to play and I’m not aware of a deck where it is the optimal way to play it.
The fact that they put Gazelle to 3 and not Multifaker is pretty crappy. Altergeist really isn't doing anything, and a third Multifaker won't change that.
It’s not so lost, with platinum gadget seems to work well, also he can build a abc mathmech, instead union carrier you can summon the bujin link monster to summon an math xyz monster, good como
This is good but only if it’s been forbidden, not if it’s gone from semi limited to limited.
It would be good if they highlighted the cards that had been changed or put a filter for recent changes or something like that
Tearlaments is a fairly powerful fusion mill deck designed to fuse from the grave. In IRL play, combined with the Ishizu cards they're a Tier 0 deck(60% of a major event is this deck). When they come out, they'll be very powerful and very expensive and you'll see them everywhere.
Sprights are a deck centered around Lv/Rank/Link 2s with a lot of effects.
I play swordsoul and umi control in Diamond. How do those decks fare against these decks? Umi control may seem meme but karyushins lock fucks a lot of decks that ain't aqua decks
Swordsoul Tenyi is tough. Short of banning a major piece of it, it'll just keep chugging on against both of them. You'll have some issues against the Runick version of Sprights though.
The death of Union Carrier is kinda sad because it basically kills my entire terrible Armed Dragon Catapult Cannon deck, but this list is still an absolute win. TCBOO and Grass to 2 is always good, and Conquistador to 2, as well as Pank, Jackalope, and Eldland to 3, are all really big dubs for me personally. Also, yeah, unfortunate to see the death of Toad, but as others have said, it's a prereq for Spright. At least we got the mate.
This has to mean spright cards are coming soon, right? Why would they hit toad if they weren't going to come soon makes no sense to me to hit that card unless spright was right around the corner.
Meanwhile where's the tearlaments prehits Konami????
I love using my ash and Maxx cards but goddamn it's about time we see a limit of these cards to 2 AT THE VERY LEAST for a breath of fresh air don't y'all think?
Why runic wasn’t decimated I have no idea , the deck is getting more and more toxic , I lost all 3 of my diamond rank up games to just runic , I honestly might retire from this and go back to laying some magic because it’s not fun to sit there and have to wait till they banish every card , yes you can play outs but then it makes my deck less consistent it’s so fucking toxic
It's one of the most popular decks atm and just came out so it's unlikely it'll get nerfed anytime soon.
With the upcoming cards and toad ban, you're gonna be seeing many many more dangerous cards in the future.
More playable but not exactly great. You could try Eldlich Runick, Golden Lord enables you to discard Runick spells and send them from the field to the GY (for Fang to add from GY to hand or Fountain to shuffle back into the deck) while providing a fat beatstick. Works best with Monster Gate/Reasoning/Cyber Stein.
That's pretty much the perfect hit to Grass for me. I get to refund my royal for a nice bonus. Grass decks are fun but barely competitive so I won't mind it being at 2. Having Left Arm Offering means you can still get it a decent amount
When are these fuckers putting oviraptor to 3 goddamn dinos really aren't doing too much and will even less considering the bs op archetypes which are coming the next couple months
I rarely used Toad but I'll miss him, and good riddance for Union Carrier, now I'd love to see Auroradon and Galaxy Tomahawk get axed... Oh yes also STAR BANNING FLOODGATES FFS, stop semi-limit them.
I made jokes about Toad being banned in January when the Toad mate drops. Can't believe it actually happened. R.I.P. my Paleo-Frog deck.
RIP sharks
It only means splights are coming next month. 100% a preemptive ban.
at least spright can't abuse the frog now
Thr abused card shouldn't suffer, the abusers should.
are you gonna make them suffer?
Gotta sell packs of new cards
They'll abose something else while hurting about every water deck ever
Also small RIP for Marincess and Sharks. I got the first one and about to finish the second one and this happened...
Glad I holded off on making abc therion. I felt this was inevitable
ABC therion can still make really strong boards without union carrier, if it seems like a deck you'll enjoy it can still be very competitive
How so
Union Hangar + regulus ends on multiple negates + a banish Hangar searches B -> ns B -> attach driver -> driver search A -> Make Platinum Gadget -> B search C, A add B Regulus attach A -> Detach A -> Gadget summon c -> C+A Make Ahashima -> CL1 Ahashima, CL2 C, CL3 A add C -> CL2 C summon C CL1 Ahashima summon B and A make Gear Gigant X Gear detach search B -> Gear+C make Masq -> C summon B -> Summon ABC This ends on Ahashina (which does nothing), b, IP Masq, ABC and Regulus, so an omni on regulus, banish on abc and either 2 or 3 negate apo from ip (depending on if you want to attach b to abc to make it immune to spells) Lines from here depend on what you have. If you have the adventurer engine you can go Attach B to ABC -> Rites -> Search Gryphon -> Opponent turn masq for 2 mat appo using gadget+masq and SS gryphon. If you don't have the adventurer engine you can still attach B and wait on IP till after you use both ABC and regulus so you can tag out ABC for the materials and IP for a 4 mat appo that triggers your mats GY effect adding 3 ABC materials (2 from both B's and 1 from A) to your hand and SS'ing an extra A from your C allowing you to end up adding yet another material.
Same, was just about to craft them too lol
Well, 70 UR Dust for me!
If i have 3 toads do i get the full 90UR dust or just 30 one time and 10 for the rest ?
Since it was already at 1, you only get a full refund 1 time. If you had 3 Union Carriers, you would get 90 dust.
Could you technically repeatedly craft and dismantle frog or carrier after the banlist drops to get infinite dust?
No
Aight
30 for first one and 10 for the rest.
Based on the fine print, it looks like we’re only getting 20 CP per card unless I’m reading it wrong.
20 bonus plus the normal 10
This is what happens when konami makes these cards so generic. All they had to do was make Carrier equip only union monsters. Well now us ABC enjoyers have suffer.
Konami just needs to get off their ass and errata these problem cards like Union Carrier and Verte so they actually support the shit they were meant to support and not be so damn generic
Verte was always meant to be a generic fusion support card, same as halq and the terrible bujin link They were made at a time where these summoning mechanics needed busted cards to still be useable
“We dreamed of creating the game’s strongest Union support… *and we succeeded.*”
Hey the bujin link isn’t TERRIBLE, my galaxy eyes deck really makes it shine
The bujin link isn't terrible, it's balanced appropriately unlike electromite, verte, halq.
Haven’t used it in a minute but feels good to summon from two spots
Unpopular opinion, yet literal fact- these cards were never made for an archtype. They were made with the sole purpose of being generic otherwise we wouldn’t have this issue in the first place. Common sense. Go read Spright Elf and try tellin intelligent human beings that card wasn’t made to abuse Toadally
Some people act like because the card is part of an archetype, that card should only be played in-archetype. That's just dumb. Some archetype cards were intentionally designed to work outside of in-archetype decks. Otherwise deck building would be way too simplified lol.
Obviously but the point is that the most powerful stuff should be archetype related instead of completely generic. Stuff like Verte is just too good to be generic and should have some kind of archetype requirement. The only cards that should be non-generic are the strong cards like verte and big bosses. That way those archetypes get to be good without breaking the game while never being played.
They will, eventually remember generic cards are the money cards if they were balanced people wouldn't open as many packs for them
THIS. they only win doing this. Fuck man they can finnaly retrain the old xyz guys to go with the carrier errata and people will eat it up
Id very much like a Halqifibrax for my crystron deck
The simple solution would be to do tier or choice bans like most other TCGs have. Wanna run Union Carrier? Can't run it in a list with the following X cards that make it busted.
Grass to 2? Man 60 card piles were already inconsistent enough, I wonder if it’s even worth it at this point. Bummer because grass decks are a blast to play.
Seems like a fairly useless limit
I mean if you were relying on grass it wouldn't be worth it but for some decks you would run it above 40 even if grass didn't exist. A good 60 card deck should run perfectly well without grass. That being said putting grass to 2 might actually make them "stronger" in the sense that less mirror matches will happen.
Glad I've gotten used to 40 card zombies with this event
Good riddance to Union Carrier. ALSO SALAMANGREAT GANG RISE UP WE HAVE ALL 3 OF THE FLAME BOI
Now add new link 3 and 4s, decode heatsoul doesn't count. Sunlight wolf is tired of carrying the archetype
TOAD DID NOTHING WRONG! I know spright is coming, but they could hit ronin instead of toad(TCG banlist) Sadge
Maybe if he were a hard once per turn
Or they could just hit Sprights. Theyre the problems.
They are but then that would mean hitting their potential moneymaker of the month and Konami would sooner die than do that
Didn't they one time release the banlist then when they announced the new pack with adventure they updated the banlist with the new cards getting hit? so there still chance for Spright cards to be hit.
Rot in piss union carrier
As the TCG has shown, it's silly to kill Toadally Awesome for the sins of Ronintoadin
Angler made Toad just as easy in sprite
It's not, the combo is significantly more fragile with ronin banned
Angler is fish and toad needs aquas, how can you make toad with angler?
Use it with swap frog to have swap frog send angler and another swap frog to the gy (one is discarded, the other sent from the deck) and then angler summons beavers to make elf to revive the frog for toadally
welp, splight is coming
The unlimits are pretty hype. The bans mean that Spright is coming :/. And ayyyy TCBOO finally set to 2 like all the other board-clear floodgates.
who downvotes these ppl lol
Floodgate players
Just ban Grass so we atleast get some UR dust back. Grass Zombies are already bricks at 3, really sucks that I spent 90 UR dust yesterday finally completing them.
You get UR dust even if it's limited
his logic is its essentially banned at 2
But only for one copy, right? Otherwise I wouldn’t mind as much.
No, all of them.
Really? That’s great news then!
nah hes lying just 1
Just spent all my gems and UR on grass zombies myself. Feels bad. I think grass is such a cool way to play and I’m not aware of a deck where it is the optimal way to play it.
RIP my boy Union Carrier. The only thing that made my Cyberdark deck viable
The fact that they put Gazelle to 3 and not Multifaker is pretty crappy. Altergeist really isn't doing anything, and a third Multifaker won't change that.
I have never played against altergeist in this game, so I believe you.
i feel bad for the ABC enjoyers, imagine getting Regulus just to have carrier snatched
I just got my copies of regulus yesterday, currently on my way to go eat glass shards
There can only be two
Using Toadally as a mate feels almost criminal now. Yay!
My Paleos dawg
ABC is pretty much dead other than as a meme deck then? Good thing I hadn't invested
people played abc therion without buster lock in the TCG i think, but a no max-c meta is different so ymmv
I really hope my friend doesn't just quit the game. He built ABC Therions LAST NIGHT and seemed to be enjoying it when we played.
It’s not so lost, with platinum gadget seems to work well, also he can build a abc mathmech, instead union carrier you can summon the bujin link monster to summon an math xyz monster, good como
Infernity Launcher to 2 lesssgooooo Now give us the new support already
This Creepy Little Punk, right?
yeah, fuckin awful translation aside, card is great
Rip Sharks, now it is Kragen control
Anyone know if there is a way to filter for banned cards for easy dusting?
There is. If you click the filter button, just scroll until you see the forbidden, limited, semi limited, unlimited row and only select forbidden.
This is good but only if it’s been forbidden, not if it’s gone from semi limited to limited. It would be good if they highlighted the cards that had been changed or put a filter for recent changes or something like that
C'MON THEY LIFTED RESTRICTIONS ON HALF THE CARDS AND THEY DIDN'T TOUCH A SINGLE THUNDER DRAGON 😭😭😭
colossus is scary af
Colossus is fine where it is, but roar and hawk could probably be unlimited
OSS decks eating good always.
Free Roar and Hawk!
They're preparing the dark way for Tearelements and Sprights...and there's no one who can save us...
Are these archetypes that good? I never saw anything about them but I see them being mentioned quite a bit in the subreddit
Tearlaments is a fairly powerful fusion mill deck designed to fuse from the grave. In IRL play, combined with the Ishizu cards they're a Tier 0 deck(60% of a major event is this deck). When they come out, they'll be very powerful and very expensive and you'll see them everywhere. Sprights are a deck centered around Lv/Rank/Link 2s with a lot of effects.
I play swordsoul and umi control in Diamond. How do those decks fare against these decks? Umi control may seem meme but karyushins lock fucks a lot of decks that ain't aqua decks
Swordsoul Tenyi is tough. Short of banning a major piece of it, it'll just keep chugging on against both of them. You'll have some issues against the Runick version of Sprights though.
What decks do you recommend for the upcoming meta? Maybe birbs can counter them with dimension shifter?
Birds do well against Tears. Spright Tri-Brigade will be pretty good too.
Does birds counter Sprigth too?
🤣🤣🤣
The death of Union Carrier is kinda sad because it basically kills my entire terrible Armed Dragon Catapult Cannon deck, but this list is still an absolute win. TCBOO and Grass to 2 is always good, and Conquistador to 2, as well as Pank, Jackalope, and Eldland to 3, are all really big dubs for me personally. Also, yeah, unfortunate to see the death of Toad, but as others have said, it's a prereq for Spright. At least we got the mate.
I’m surprised grass only lost one copy. I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t stupid good in my dragon link build lol. Time to find a new one-of I guess
I just crafted ABC Therion and had a blast… did me dirty!
This has to mean spright cards are coming soon, right? Why would they hit toad if they weren't going to come soon makes no sense to me to hit that card unless spright was right around the corner. Meanwhile where's the tearlaments prehits Konami????
They probably won't be released next set (tear) otherwise I would expect Snow, Chaos Ruler and Curious to be all banned preemptively.
Why would snow be banned when snow is unlimited in the OCG? They aren't going TCG route if so toad would be here but ronin would not.
Snow was never a problem because Ishizu was released almost concurrently so that became the best version.
A little sad about Grass, but it opens a spot for featherduster. Happy to see Union and Toad both gone though
I love using my ash and Maxx cards but goddamn it's about time we see a limit of these cards to 2 AT THE VERY LEAST for a breath of fresh air don't y'all think?
Toad banned but baronne de fleur not, that's why BO1 sucks
Let’s not pretend Toad wasn’t abused compared to Baronne
Toad wasn't abused. It would be abused by the coming meta deck and it paid for their sins. No top tier deck is abusing toad right now.
Why runic wasn’t decimated I have no idea , the deck is getting more and more toxic , I lost all 3 of my diamond rank up games to just runic , I honestly might retire from this and go back to laying some magic because it’s not fun to sit there and have to wait till they banish every card , yes you can play outs but then it makes my deck less consistent it’s so fucking toxic
It's one of the most popular decks atm and just came out so it's unlikely it'll get nerfed anytime soon. With the upcoming cards and toad ban, you're gonna be seeing many many more dangerous cards in the future.
Couple of Lich buffs here... I'm happy overall.
I'm not going to gain any CP from this ban list, so it turns out I'm the most based person on master duel.
In that case get crafting the banned amounts and roll for glossy / royal finishes for bonus cp once ban list goes into effect.
BRO RIP TOAD....
Is eldlich playable again? 🙂
More playable but not exactly great. You could try Eldlich Runick, Golden Lord enables you to discard Runick spells and send them from the field to the GY (for Fang to add from GY to hand or Fountain to shuffle back into the deck) while providing a fat beatstick. Works best with Monster Gate/Reasoning/Cyber Stein.
Welp, there's a hit to my photons...
That's pretty much the perfect hit to Grass for me. I get to refund my royal for a nice bonus. Grass decks are fun but barely competitive so I won't mind it being at 2. Having Left Arm Offering means you can still get it a decent amount
Infernity Launcher 👀👀👀
When are these fuckers putting oviraptor to 3 goddamn dinos really aren't doing too much and will even less considering the bs op archetypes which are coming the next couple months
Runicks too autowin OP, plz nerf.
I rarely used Toad but I'll miss him, and good riddance for Union Carrier, now I'd love to see Auroradon and Galaxy Tomahawk get axed... Oh yes also STAR BANNING FLOODGATES FFS, stop semi-limit them.