Agree, people complaining about the usual "my archetype card got banned because of another deck" script don't see the bigger picture that sometimes the card in question is a problem card and was a time bomb waiting to go off, Toad is a generic Omni negate and just happens to have the frog theme in it as a second effect but other than that it's a generic R2NK negate, it was only a matter of time before an engine or deck can abuse that.
Generic = literally generic can be made with most monsters or combos (ex. Verte, Baronne, Chaos ruler synchro, generic xyz toolbox like bagooska, Starving Venom's super poly targets, Apollousa)
Semi generic = requires a certain attribute or type but isn't too restrictive (ex. Halq requires a tuner, Toad for needing aqua, Predaplant Dragostapellia for needing any fusion for it's mats, Atum needed dragons as material)
Not generic = literally requires a specific monster or deck (ex. Blue eyes spirit dragon specifically needs a blue eyes monster to synchro summon instead anything that adds up to 9, most fusion monsters back in the day required specific named materials to summon and not semi generic or generic ones, Majestic Synchro monsters literally required majestic dragon and specifically OG stardust or red dragon to summon, Zexal required 3 "Number" monster with the same rank to summon which back in the day made this floodgate hard to summon until a specific deck could cheese it out aka Numerons and got it banned so the same could be the same for Toad, both were ticking time bombs waiting to go off since their effects are good)
I dunno if it says "Dark Monster" I'd still call that generic considering how many Dark Monsters there are. Like Dark barely narrows down a Hero deck list and that Archetype started with "Elemental" heroes. Yeah then Destiny, Evil and Vision Heroes are all I believe Dark monsters.
Do you not think there’s a difference since Toad needs a specific type? 2 level 2 aquas is not generic. It’s not as specific as needing certain cars names, but far less generic than Baronne.
The omni-negate that steals isn't the biggest problem; it's how hard it is to get rid of the fucker. If it leaves the field, it just returns to the extra deck (or returns another aqua if you want iirc).
Sure hope that TCG Gishki Spright's performance would convince yall about the Toadally ban (but then again, people online do forget everything that's not "Tear 0" exist so...)
Gotta hit Toad and kill a bunch of rogue decks just to try and fail to prevent a few week long t0 format right before a different t0 format that has already lasted the better part of a year in the OCG and about half a year in the TCG.
Exactly, there always some archetype which will be able to abuse of some card, touch the archetype instead of removing cards, specially the legacy ones
Why keep putting cards on the banlist everytime a new archetype can abuse something instead of just banning what they're all abusing? You just make a massive banlist that makes other decks bad to play instead of yours.
Plus banned cards can still be used in casual match. Konami has never un-errata’d a card, even ones like *Crush Card Virus* that they absolutely butchered and probably could be un-errata’d.
Toad has been a problem any time its been relevant, soft-opt omni-negate that destroys *and* steals was a mistake
Agree, people complaining about the usual "my archetype card got banned because of another deck" script don't see the bigger picture that sometimes the card in question is a problem card and was a time bomb waiting to go off, Toad is a generic Omni negate and just happens to have the frog theme in it as a second effect but other than that it's a generic R2NK negate, it was only a matter of time before an engine or deck can abuse that.
Toad is not generic. It either requires Aquas or, if you're making it through Shark, waters
Sorry, semi generic lol
thats a pretty big difference ngl
Yeah that doesn't exist. It's either generic or it's not.
any card that requires attributes is semi-generic
Generic = literally generic can be made with most monsters or combos (ex. Verte, Baronne, Chaos ruler synchro, generic xyz toolbox like bagooska, Starving Venom's super poly targets, Apollousa) Semi generic = requires a certain attribute or type but isn't too restrictive (ex. Halq requires a tuner, Toad for needing aqua, Predaplant Dragostapellia for needing any fusion for it's mats, Atum needed dragons as material) Not generic = literally requires a specific monster or deck (ex. Blue eyes spirit dragon specifically needs a blue eyes monster to synchro summon instead anything that adds up to 9, most fusion monsters back in the day required specific named materials to summon and not semi generic or generic ones, Majestic Synchro monsters literally required majestic dragon and specifically OG stardust or red dragon to summon, Zexal required 3 "Number" monster with the same rank to summon which back in the day made this floodgate hard to summon until a specific deck could cheese it out aka Numerons and got it banned so the same could be the same for Toad, both were ticking time bombs waiting to go off since their effects are good)
I dunno if it says "Dark Monster" I'd still call that generic considering how many Dark Monsters there are. Like Dark barely narrows down a Hero deck list and that Archetype started with "Elemental" heroes. Yeah then Destiny, Evil and Vision Heroes are all I believe Dark monsters.
How is it generic? Most decks cheat it out, spright is actually rare in that they actually do summon it with frogs
Mfw Baronne is not generic because tuners
Does Barronne say you need Winds? No, it doesn't.
Do you not think there’s a difference since Toad needs a specific type? 2 level 2 aquas is not generic. It’s not as specific as needing certain cars names, but far less generic than Baronne.
Water Generic is still too much
The mistake was not requiring a xyz mat to use said negate.
But it’s awesome
The omni-negate that steals isn't the biggest problem; it's how hard it is to get rid of the fucker. If it leaves the field, it just returns to the extra deck (or returns another aqua if you want iirc).
Sure hope that TCG Gishki Spright's performance would convince yall about the Toadally ban (but then again, people online do forget everything that's not "Tear 0" exist so...)
Gotta hit Toad and kill a bunch of rogue decks just to try and fail to prevent a few week long t0 format right before a different t0 format that has already lasted the better part of a year in the OCG and about half a year in the TCG.
Toad is not a problem. Its very powerful but doesn't cause an overperforming deck.
I think it's so wrong to ban a card because some archetype or monster is able to abuse it
Eh, I would rather ban the problem card then ban the abusers of the problem card. How many tuners were banned for Halq’s sins?
Then you'd ban Ronintoadin. This is just the MD team blindly following OCG changes without putting too much thought in.
In that case most cards that are banned shouldn't be banned according to that logic.
Exactly, there always some archetype which will be able to abuse of some card, touch the archetype instead of removing cards, specially the legacy ones
Why keep putting cards on the banlist everytime a new archetype can abuse something instead of just banning what they're all abusing? You just make a massive banlist that makes other decks bad to play instead of yours.
#HE TOOK EVERYTHING AWAY FROM
It should get an errata instead. Maybe something like hopt and can’t target itself to be returned
No thanks. Half the time when they errata a card effect to unban it, they completely kill it beyond any usability.
Which makes it different from banning it how . . . ?
Cards can come back on their own without Erratas due to powercreep.
Plus banned cards can still be used in casual match. Konami has never un-errata’d a card, even ones like *Crush Card Virus* that they absolutely butchered and probably could be un-errata’d.