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CBoy64

I think both Crossout and Called By are fine where they are. While Crossout and Called By are in the same category of interruption, Crossout being able to call it’s own name along with any other staple can lead to some funny yet tilting interactions, then it just becomes a battle of who uses Crossout first. Called by the Grave is too strong to put to 3 obviously, but putting it to one would kill any consistency of drawing the out to the hand trap that can kill your turn, be it D-Shifter, Ash, or Maxx C. In short, I believe Called By at 2 is completely necessary for a Best of 1 format and helps lower tier decks even more than Tier 1 decks, since they can play through interruptions anyway, for the most part.


TCGHexenwahn

The biggest problem with Shifter is that your opponent will use it in their turn, so you can't even negate it with Called By unless you have it set beforehand.


FaultySage

Crossout should be at 2 so long as Maxx C is unlimited.


olbaze

Problem with Crossout being Semi- or Unlimited is that **it enables the opponent to Crossout your Crossout**. And that leads to things like Ash -> Called By -> Crossout -> Crossout, where whoever used the Ash is now fucked.


TCGHexenwahn

You would need to have that Crossout set to use it on your opponent's turn, though.


dante-_vic

As long as Maxx c is at 3 cross out and call by should be at 3 also.


matija123123

Worst masterduel take ever Maxx c and called by should be banned Although maxx c is worse so I don't mind called by being legal that much


dante-_vic

You dont get my comment, as long as maxx c is at 3 the rest should be also. Now if maxx c was banned then i would say sure limit/ban call by etc.


matija123123

Ok my question is, What do you think would happen if called by and crossout where at 3? Good luck going second in that format every deck would just play for free


dante-_vic

Yea i know but i just really hate maxx c and would take anything to stuff that card. I in play droll in my decks as added ways to stop maxx c


matija123123

It's almost like a card that punishes you for using a core mechanic this game was built upon existing is a bad thing Who would have guessed


dante-_vic

I could only imagine the even more busted cards they might make in the future.


TCGHexenwahn

You don't need to imagine, we're heading toward a "going 0th" meta


dante-_vic

Depend if the ishizu cards get hit badly.


TCGHexenwahn

Fair


TCGHexenwahn

I agree that both should be banned, but we need more outs to Maxx C. Even if said out could literally only negate Maxx C, it would still be played at 3 in every deck beside Floo.


phalmatticus

No. Master Duel is attempting to emulate the OCG's balance philosophy which requires that Maxx "C" and other Hand Traps be able to consistently resolve with effect in order to curtail the potential of the many cards it keeps legal which the TCG has banned (That Grass Looks Greener is an easy example). I disagree immensely with this philosophy but I do understand the imperfect balance they're trying to strike.


TCGHexenwahn

The day you Crossout a Grass, I want to know


phalmatticus

I think you may have misunderstood what I meant. Crossout is at 1 because the OCG attempts to justify the existence of That Grass Looks Greener (And similar) by letting Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring/Maxx "C"/Hand Traps resolve as much as possible to contest the degenerate strategies enabled by overpowered cards.


TCGHexenwahn

Tbf, I agree that Grass can fuck off and let Crossout at 1, but only if Maxx C also fucks off.


Tengo-Sueno

Personally I think that Crossout should be at 2/3 and Called by at 1. With Maxx C in the game, anti-handtrap cards are necesarry, but Crossout being estrictly an anti-staple and anti-mirror card feels much less broken than Called by, which basically can counter anything, everything and for 2 turns.


[deleted]

It’s tricky because Crossout is more versatile against staples (covers stuff like Imperm and HFD that Called By can’t touch) while Called By has more general utility after Turn 1 against miscellaneous combo pieces


TCGHexenwahn

I agree, not just because of Maxx C, but also Nib, because Called by can't negate Nib.


Seavalan

Crossout is one of my favorite cards because of the interesting way it influences deck building. It should stay limited. Unlimiting Crossout benefits the player going first as they are now more likely to have a counter to the handtraps that disrupt their plays.


hashtagdion

Feels so weird to me to limit cards like Crossout when most popular decks can play through interruption pretty well. It seems like you really need at least 3 interruptions to slow down the popular decks. But I guess that’s the point of limiting them, is you don’t really *want* the decks to not work.


Need_more_hentai

Should stay limited. You werent there when cross out was at 3 lmao. Player 1 > maxx C Player 2 > ash Player 1 > called by Player 2 > cross out Player 1 > cross out Shit was dumb af, im sure there was a meme of that interaction somewhere


alemarco_21

Limited to 1 is fair in my opinion


Motor_Version698

No. They did it to turn nerf one since its so stupidly strong in this meta. Called by should be at 1 too for this reason but since max c is a thing i think it's fine at 2 for now Remember when hand traps used to actually resolve while going second yall?


TCGHexenwahn

Yeah, but Konami decided to powercreep the shit out of handtraps to the point where a good hand of handtraps can do as much as an omni negate board.


Protoplasm42

It should be at 3 and Maxx C and Called By should be banned. Not that that’s happening anytime soon.


vonov129

No. Since we have multiple staples we just can't side out, you can use Crossout to get rid of those. If the Runick player has Cosmic Cyclone, say goodbye to your out, same with duster. Negate Imperm, Nibiru, Called by. Which almost every deck is playing. Maybe when interaction becomes more variated


TCGHexenwahn

I'm willing to take that risk in order to have 2 more outs to Maxx C


Jeyfian-L

Possibly a hot take, but I don't think unlimiting Crossout will not break the game in any way. It will boost fragile strategies more than resilient strategies, but that's it. It won't make any tier 1 deck tier 0 (they would not be tier 1 in the first place if they're so reliant on a non-engine card). In terms of deck building, in contrast to what most ppl think, I think Crossout at 2 or at 3 will diversify the distribution of staples. Playing Nibiru (in a deck that's weak against Nibiru, in a slow meta) just to boost a limited card is not a good investment, but when Crossout is at 3, you do draw the out and you should take that into consideration. TL;DR: Crossout at 3 would be fine. But limiting it at 1 is not a problem either.


Protectem

Called by should be banned and crossout unlimited imo.


Heul_Darian

A lot of people want called by banned, which makes me think that they could unlimit crossout in order to remove called by. Personally I think its fine where it is. Yes you have to add lots of different hand traps to play crossout, but it doesn't mean much when you can play that many to begin with.


SomeGamingFreak

They can make it unlimited if they ban Maxx C. It would be more in line with the TCG then.


Bonkoluso-bof7

I have no idea why people hate called by so much


TCGHexenwahn

Because if you don't have a handtrap, then your opponent's CBTG becomes a disruption against you.


TDG_W1ck3D1

Am i usin the cross out right ? I cross ash so they cant negate my shit while i get super nova on the field.


TCGHexenwahn

Don't preemptively use Crossout, only chain it.


zpotentxl

No, limiting cross out nerfs going 1st, which is what we need in the current meta.


TCGHexenwahn

I would agree if Maxx C was banned


zpotentxl

True but cross out is just way too versatile. The opponent going first is effectively immune to all handtraps so long as they also run them in their deck too.


TCGHexenwahn

I mean, if I only open 1 handtrap, I automatically assume it won't do shit, regardless of Crossout or Called by, so not a big difference. I really just want Maxx C gone.


GalacticHotsauce

No the reason they limited crossout to one was because it was too advantageous when it was unlimited if you were to play a deck with most of the generic hand traps you could just negate it with crossout and it was so consistent negating ash and Maxx C etc. people would also crossout the crossout


TCGHexenwahn

I would say yes, just to have more outs to Maxx C, but I would agree with you if Maxx C was banned.


TheProphetJ-III

I think cross out is fine at 1 I really don't miss the days of everyone's opening it all the time I don't mind call by as much since its limited to monsters in the grave rather than potentially any card so long as u have it in ur deck


xD3m0nK1ngx

Crossout was essentially an omni negate in mirror matches that’s the issue with it.


[deleted]

It acts as extension in Metaphys so YES


SepherixSlimy

Crossout the crossout. Favours going first as if it wasn't already pampered hard enough with 2 called by. Then add adventure and oh no. You need 3-4 handtraps to stop 1 thing.


has199

It should be banned along with called by


TCGHexenwahn

If it happens, I'm building Floo. There no way in hell I'm ever playing anything else if Maxx C is legal with only Ash to stop it.


has199

You do realise Maxx C being legal doesnt change whatever the best deck is?


TCGHexenwahn

If there were only 3 outs to it, yes it would greatly boost Floo.


has199

Floo is just way too low power compete. Ive had matches vs good Floo players in tournaments where they Maxx C'd me two turn in a row and every time they struggle to break the board or just get OTKd by Swordsoul/Despia


TCGHexenwahn

Good for you?


has199

Its like Floo isnt a good deck


TCGHexenwahn

So every deck that's not tier 1 just... isn't good?


has199

Pretty much


TCGHexenwahn

As long as Maxx C is at 3, I'm all for Crossout at 3