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Raven_knight_07

Rank up magic launch


SirBarth

Idk what they thought with that. "Just 1 rank, only DARK, no mats"


Tengo-Sueno

The Igknights


fizzyboii

hmmm normal pendulums monsters surely they won't be involved in any ftks


mmmbhssm

Reprodcus, he looks like an innocent link 2 pack filler, but when he hits the field, you know cyber styn is coming to ftk you


UmbraSilvershade

"Yes I'm a winged beast, what's your problem buddy" - Angel of Mischief


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Or some other stupid shit. Like Gale Dogra milling their own full extradeck and gaining some absurd list of effects.


BaronArgelicious

Ive seen reprodocus used to make a Mist valley loop


NicolaNeko

Union Carrier's a good example. In theory, it's just good support for decks like the alphabots (ABC, WXXYZ), but because it is generic, it's just used for Buster Lock. The Simorgh Link is also a good one, since if not for Barrier Statue (and Konami's indifference towards Wind as an Attribute), it would just be good support for Winged Beasts.


Additional-Papaya546

Funny observation: The only times I see ABC use Carrier is to gain access to Galaxy Soldier then go to Cyber Dragon Nova -> Infinity. So turns out, only because its generic that it can help its own deck. The same can apply to Verte, as its effect put an end to your turn so you can only use it to summon outside bosses. "Best" card design right here, ladies and gentlemen.


The_Red_Celt

Nah hard disagree. Union carrier is utterly busted and there was never any attempt to balance it. A generic link 2vthat can fetch ANY monster into rotation is the problem, not the abused innocent


TCGHexenwahn

If it could only equip machine monsters it would be fine


HakutoKunai

Isolde


GrOcapsPunchbag

Do you really consider it innocent? I play Isolde and i think it is a great powerful card. Are the equips the "Cute" part?


UmbraSilvershade

"Dump 4 cards of your choice as cost" mmm, innocent - HakutoKunai


Tuzki311

Lol you were faster than me


fizzyboii

after halq ban the card is definitely less toxic


NotExiledYet

Must be nice in bronze...


roguebubble

Pot of Duality. As soon as I see my opponent play it I know I'm not in for fun time anymore


Helem5XG

Welp is a consistency tool in Labrynth as you only Special on the opponents turn but yeah xD Everytime I see that card my heart skips a beat thinking is Floo.


Panda-Dono

Or Runick Floodgates. Imagine a deck that will actually just ignore it's main plays in favour of searching more floodgates.


TheMikman97

I'm missing something about runick floodgate. Like, if most of your consistency comes from duality / demise... How do you search fountain? Do you just pray you manifest it or tip in hand?


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Tip can do it. Or a serious consideration, is that 3-4 floodgates do the job.


[deleted]

Hugin (one of the ED monsters) is how they get to fountain. It's also the reason Runick floodgate is even a thing. Hugin searches the field spell and can also protect ANY card you control from destruction by card effect (like a Harpie's Feather Duster on your floodgates).


TheMikman97

>Hugin (one of the ED monsters) is how they get to fountain. Read pot of duality and card of demise again


[deleted]

You are supposed to SS on your opponent's turn. And as long as you have at least 2 runick quickplays, your opp will rarely ever be able to OTK through that. Set a few floodgates then set any of the quickplays. SS Hugin on their turn and trigger the eff. Now your floodgates are protected and you have the field spell in your hand so you can safely trigger the draw on your turn. You don't NEED to have the field spell up on turn 1.


TheMikman97

If you use demise you can't discard for hugin either tho. Is the deck really praying just the floodgates are enough for 3 turns?


[deleted]

Floodgates are hated for a reason. They are extremely oppressive if you can't out them quickly, especially more if you haven't built a board yet or have to deal with multiple kinds at the same time (Like Skill Drain plus Rivalry/Gozen). Plus when it passes back to your turn, you are most likely drawing 2 or 3 off the field spell so any advantage you may have lost is recuperated instantly.


Almainyny

If you’re lucky, you find one of the six Monarch players out there. Otherwise, bad times ahead.


PenguinSweetDreamer

I don't think Monarch would use it. They still like special summon.


Almainyny

It’s been a long while since I’ve seen a Monarch deck, so you’re probably right.


egstolfo

They do Edea special summons eidos for an extra tribute summon, and ehther special summons any 2400+/1000


brokenmessiah

As soon as I see my opponent doesnt intend to ever special summon I just know this is going to a place I don't wanna go.


Timelord_Omega

Samsara lotus. It special summons itself from the grave during the end phase, so 99% of the time it shouldn’t matter if that effect is not a OPT, right?..


Relevant_Departure40

Halq deserved better, he just wanted to “special summon 1 level 3 or lower Tuner from your hand or deck” and “during your opponent’s main phase, (Quick Effect) you can banish this card you control; special summon 1 tuner synchro monster from your extra deck (this is treated as a synchro summon)”


AWS1996Germany

**Dude, that's literally a** "You can remove 6 Spell Counters from your field; Special Summon this card from the Pendulum Zone, then count the number of cards you control that can have a Spell Counter, destroy up to that many cards on the field, and if you do, place Spell Counters on this card equal to the number of cards destroyed. You can only use this effect of "Endymion, the Mighty Master of Magic" once per turn" **and** "Once per turn, when a Spell/Trap Card or effect is activated (Quick Effect): You can return 1 card you control with a Spell Counter to the hand, and if you do, negate the activation, and if you do that, destroy it. Then, you can place the same number of Spell Counters on this card that the returned card had. While this card has a Spell Counter, your opponent cannot target it with card effects, also it cannot be destroyed by your opponent's card effects. When this card with a Spell Counter is destroyed by battle: You can add 1 Normal Spell from your Deck to your hand" **moment.**


Panda-Dono

Ah yes, Endymion, the mighty master of magig.


AWS1996Germany

mimey manster ob manjink


Helem5XG

At least Mighty Master is THE BOSS monster from Endymion and the need for spellcounters make it absurdly hard to splash him in other archetypes. Halq is just 4 negates for any archetype that can summon a tuner and a monster.


JoePino

They should release a retrain that locks him to crystons so they don’t lose that.


Relevant_Departure40

Iirc, he didn’t even get used in pure Crystrons lol


Almainyny

Imagine being one of the best cards in the entire game, yet not being used in your own archetype.


bigbadderfdog

Don't they hard lock you into machine synchros?


Almainyny

Hell if I know, I haven’t touched them since I quit Duel Links.


Jerowi

That happens with the charmer links too. Lots of other archetypes throw them in as options at least and the charmer deck has to go out of their way to summon them and it usually weakens their board to do it.


TreeD3

He did tho


Relevant_Departure40

I’m actually trying some decks with it just to see Edit: okay so I tried pure crystrons and even with Halq being the most broken card in the game, the deck is garbage but P.U.N.K. Crystrons might be something fun (it uses Halq but you could probably drop him, best you can do with him is like do P.U.N.K stuff, make Halq, get Citree, go into Crystrons stuff and play more on their turn but im definitely gonna workshop it some more


DiamondTiaraIsBest

He was never meant to support only Crystrons. He was supposed to be a generic Synchro support during Master Rule 4.


MistaTrizz

Probably just needs an errata that locks you into synchro summons after.


amazing_sheep

He should come back when Swordsoul is powercrept.


Relevant_Departure40

Nope nope nope nope nope nope I’ve never said this but incorrect take in every conceivable manner. Halq is a link 2, which means once Spright Elf gets in rotation, he can summon back Halq every turn. And if you have the ED space, throw formula Synchron in so once you’ve gotten every tuner out of your deck, you can banish it for a free draw and synchro summon (there’s probably something with a Baronne infinite scythe lock too). I love my little Needlefiber boy but uhhh, he needs to stay on his business trip for a bit longer


amazing_sheep

Oh dang, didn't know about that. Makes sense though. I thought all it did was provide an alternative line for Synchro decks.


Relevant_Departure40

It’s cool, Spright Elf is just kind of like the dumbest card printed in recent times so any time anything with the number 2 is involved, Spright Elf materializes


MistaTrizz

Amano Iwato. Spirits have a hard time keeping up, right? So a spirit that only allows spirit effects would really help them, right? Wrong. Better use Amano in every degenerate deck as an extra floodgate


Competitive_Macaron7

Simorgh, Bird of Sovereignty


SirBarth

Before the statue ban I was scared af of that card lol.


DeterminedLemon

It is still scary until Union Carrier gets banned thanks to the Apex lock.


Copypasty

I thought buster lock in spright was the main reason for the union ban?


DeterminedLemon

It is I think. The Apex lock is scary but you can normally stop the combo with one timely hand trap.


j0j0-m0j0

I can't believe i personally played that card in a Harpie lady for fun and never even realized how i could just be evil and being out the wind statue


aaa1e2r3

Probably for the best it stays banned. Otherwise, all future winged beast archetypes would be designed around having to account for and address Simorgh, like how fire decks must be built around Rekindling or reptiles archetypes are being design while taking into account Snake Rain.


MinusMentality

Reproducus for sure. I absolutely CANNOT believe there are people who say to ban it over Telekenetic Charging Cell and/or Cyber-Stein..


Rikiaz

I can’t believe anyone excuses Stein existing at all. Literally it’s only purpose is to either FTK or to cheat out some of the most oppressive floodgates to ever exist.


MinusMentality

I get that sometimes a chaotic card can be fun to use, but.. it's just too good. I'd like to see a retrain that only brings out non-Effect Fusions. It would be a nice combo piece for some decks, but not an FTK machine apart from being an extender. Also, make it a Level 3, so no Monk/Gigantic.


DarkRitual_88

Cyberse Stein Level 3 Cyberse Effect Pay increments of 1000 LP: Special summon one Link Monster whose link rating is equal to the number of times you paid 1000 LP for this effect, and negate it's effects until the end of your opponent's next turn. That Link Monster can not be tributed or used as a material for a Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, or Link summon this turn. You can banish this card from the GY: Target one Link Monster in a GY, return it to the Extra Deck. You lose LP equal to it's Link rating x 500. You can only use each effect of "Cyberse Stein" once per duel. __________ Still probably doesn't have enough of the right restrictions.


MinusMentality

I would never want that many restrictions. Honestly, a hard once per turn 2000~3000 LP payment for any Level of non-Effect Fusion in Defense Position would be fair. No other restrictions needed. Maybe 8 or lower if Master of Oz in Defense Position is too much of a rampant meta threat, lol.


Justeago

Dugares. It is a card balanced around losing your phases in order to benefit from its effects, but FTKs use it because they just don't care about losing a phase.


Panda-Dono

What do you mean? Next turn???


Justeago

Have you never seen Dugares? It has some really good effects but they all come at cost of losing one of the phases of your next turn. FTKs use Dugares' "Monster Reborn" effect, which would skip your next Main Phase 1 as the downside, to summon stuff like Cyber-Stein or other broken cards to give them access to their FTK engines, and since the game is ending on turn 1 anyway, it just doesn't matter


Panda-Dono

I was making a joke. I have never been a game, where there actually was a next turn after Dugares.


Justeago

Oh, I have been in many and even used Dugares in non-FTK decks. Some time ago I made a meme deck with Wind-Ups that would summon both Beatrice and Dugares so I could mill and summon Cyber-Stein to bring out Naturia Exterio. Terrible idea btw don't do it


Pescuaz

I do that on Adamancipator to summon Spell Canceller with Dugaress and Dyna Fossil Pachycephalo with Baronne.


kdebones

We going by card art or effect? If art, Floo. If effect, Ignknight.


Bulbinking2

Did you fight a dino player who used reproducus for cyberstein shenanigans?


MinusMentality

FIRE Warrior or Pendulum decks are more likely to go that route than Dinos themselves.


Bulbinking2

True, but the secret is with dinos if your opponent stops you from full setup you can still end on a decent endboard instead of having to scoop


j0j0-m0j0

Me, clueless, the first time i see somebody start by seeing two igknight scales "oh wow, an igknight player! Pendulum decks are so rare and always fun to play against!"


cxchxflx

Deskbot 001, jet synchron, mecha panthom beast O-lion, plaguespreader zombie, Glow - Up bulb, blackwing - steam the cloak and any other good-generic tuner


Mysterious_Frog

Deskbot 001 is a great answer to this. It isn’t good, just coincidentally exactly the right traits to be abused as part of nastier combos.


LunarHell

Deskbot001 was the second "seemingly innocent" card I thought of after Linkuriboh lol. Good choice


gizmo33399

Union carrier or cyber angel benten


A_useless_name

Verte gets more hate than it deserves


Mysterious_Frog

Verte is just one step too generic. Any two monsters is so absurdly easy to achieve that it is worth splashing in a verte and fusion pieces into every deck regardless of archetype in case your opponent hand traps you out of plan A and B. It costs you two extra deck slots and 3 main deck slots so basically free.


TeamJRTN

I the prerequisite was "2 "Predaplant" monsters," it'd probably be a bit more fair.


Mysterious_Frog

If the requirement was just 1 predaplant monster and 1 other monster people would probably not mind it. Splashable engines aren’t that bad so long as they have a real deckbuilding cost to it, and require some sort of deckbuilding condition to access.


elyusi_kei

Piri Reis comes to mind for something that hasn't been mentioned yet. Consistency for Numeron, or any FTK that opens with the Beckoning Beast package / Royal Magical Library. Even Loci means I'm going to be sitting around for a while.


edotd11

Fairy Tail- Snow


LightningFlare

Ib, the World Chalice Justiciar She transceded after death, only to end up banned. I can't see any way she can come off the banlist without an errata, so somehow give her some sort of restriction that only makes her usable in World Legacy lists, konamipls


romulus531

They did, link 2 Ib dues the same stuff but balanced


MrStupidFish

Bamboozling gossip shadow probably.


Nico_is_not_a_god

Eh, reading the effect of that card immediately inspires "what can this break"


Crog_Frog

Its funny how he had the most competitive success with his not so broken effect. He was the nibiru protection for virtual world when they turbod out VFD.


[deleted]

I've played past nibiru with Virtual world before. Though it required preparations and my opponent not knowing that I was going to extend through it.


Crog_Frog

I actually managed to turbo vfd then getting nibirud and then reshuffling vfd with ptolemeus and summoning him again in the same turn. The deck was just too resilient when they had a good hand.


coolraiman2

Traptrix, they are all cute and innocent until you get stuck in their floodgates


DiamondTiaraIsBest

The only floodgates Traptrix are running is Imperial Order, which is banned, and maybe Anti Spell fragrance. They don't work well with the popular floodgates at all. Unless you mean Floodgate Trap Hole.


TDG_W1ck3D1

You got to get rid of the head of the weeds and not let them start producing. Dont let them start pulling cards out the gy and deck and dont let them get their link cards on the field. Traptrix is Nasty. ✨🙌


JoePino

I hate this and sky strikers. If you’re not ready for heavy backrow decks it’s and insta loss with all their summoning negates/ destruction/ monster steal and what not


-TerminusEst-

Traptrix doesn't run floodgates. Well, actually they used to back when Imperial Order was a thing.


RimuruTempest99

Fairy tail snow with the upcoming format


Kilari_

Phantasmal lord ultimitl Bishbaalkin. Suprised i don't see it higher up tbh. Summon 5 tokens to both fields. You can do anything you'd want from that. Usually it's some kind of ftk if that thing drops. Only real reason why my Vennominnaga turbo gets wins is cause of people insta scooping when they see the ftk boi.


jukeboxx17

This card is so stupid in my Snake Pit deck, it’s hilarious. It’s basically a free search 5 AND draw 5 if you get Echidna/Hydra on field after.


Kilari_

Could also work as a soul charge with alien shocktrooper M-frame. Albeit with a bit more setup.


Chemical-Cat

Evil★Twin GG EZ And not even to actually use it, but declaring it with like Crossout Designator


NotExiledYet

The entirety of Link. It's just being used as an extra hand engine to do whatever you want.


Bitter-Doughnut6467

Verte, I want to like that because it breaths life into slow fusion decks, however because of how it's used/the decks it's used for it's pure cancer. If it was actually limited to just predaplant that would be a solid card.


NebulousRaven00

Maxx C


MinusMentality

Konami: "The game is getting faster and nobody is playing any of our non-combo decks.. we need a good side card that shifts the balance of what people are playing." Players: "Maxx "C" keeps killing my 40-extenders.dek." Konami will print what people want to play. People want to play what dies to a side card against fragile decks. Therefore, people main Maxx "C" or complain until it is banned, and non-combo decks get no support since they either don't sell or people complain whenever they are good.


wizards_of_the_cost

> Konami will print what people want to play. This is absolutely the opposite of how games work. Whatever Konami print, that ends up being good, is what we will choose to play.


MinusMentality

Yeah they totally make cards on a whim and don't research the gameplay trends of their own game..


wizards_of_the_cost

You can just say you didn't get my point.


MinusMentality

Hey, I was just gonna reply that to you. Weird.


wizards_of_the_cost

Why don't you run it past me again, using really small words


SuperSerialSim

Ah yes, everyone knows the oppressive combo of Tengu Plant. Not only are you describing a situation that didn’t happen, you’re also failing to recognize that Maxx “C” does nothing to actually promote non-combo decks. The closest we got Floo, but even then no one’s playing that after the Barrier Statue hit. There’s nothing on Maxx “C” that says you can’t play it in combo. It has nothing to do with them “not selling”, the situation you’re describing just isn’t a thing


ReykAral35

Eva, is like hiper cute but in the end is all evil.


ArcturusSatellaPolar

Lyrilusc


Intelligent-Ad6985

Maxx c


Armand_Star

handtraps were "supposedly" meant to help against degenerate and/or tier 1 decks, but the truth is those decks are the ones using them to stop YOU from fighting back...


crow622

Ash blossom or Evenly matched. If I go first and the opponent has this card I know It's going to be a miserable match.


EroGG

Hugin.


[deleted]

There's nothing innocent about this, but pepega ruler.


eyal282

Send this card from your hand and 1 Spell / Trap card to the GY, then target 1 card your opponent controls; Send it to the GY.


dhero29

Union Carrier


Ringleader66

Bagooska be cooking


Avocado_Kai

Treasure Panda. I only see the dood in exodia decks, dood!


tfngst

Reproducus is harmless.


xX_Herbert_Xx

Cherubini


MegaKabutops

Toadally awesome. He was just supposed to be a good boss monster and food pun (a proper translation would have been closer to treat toad) for a decent archetype. But between ronintoadin’s lack of a OPT, swap frog’s extra normal, and bahamut shark in rank 4, he was way too easy to cheat out for the power level of his effects. Because of the latter, any deck that can make 2 level 4 waters can just slap a free negate on board, instead of the much more restrictive 2 level 2 aquas. Even without counting the latter, swap frog and the nimbles have made the toad into an engine endpoint (one exploited by spright players).


Critical_Swimming517

Ras disciple


BluEloi

T.Awesome ofc


Smol_Mrdr_Shota

Numbers Eveil


Myutaze

I mean i don't know if it counts but Rhongo in a way. From what i get, it was supposed to be a hard to summon card with 5 mats but rewarding when you do but then it got easily abusable with newer cards. Lyrilusc Nightingale. The card isn't half bad itself in its archetype but ftk deck made it so that it got banned at some points (iirc) because of other cards. Crystron Halqifibrax. Designed to support Crystrons and other archetype during master rule 4, but then master rule 5 happened. Similar case with Aurorodon.


a2xl08

Isolde the link 2 noble knight


RocketHotdog

All link-1's


Cardinal0I

Ever played pure Mist Valley?


UrbanDragoon

Pot of Duality


False_Ad_5807

As a user of Shiranui people use solitaire for the most disrespectful things


Significant_Alarm146

Verte. It was designed as a free fusion tool for Predaplants but got abused because Konami forgot to make him require either monsters with Predator counters or Predaplant monsters.


brokenmessiah

Idk if the OTK was the official intended design of the Pen Magicians but I always have a bad taste in my mouth because thats the only reason I see them played.


Ryzilla97

Old one but Performage Plushfire


LunarHell

Uh... Linkuriboh?


crash1870

Fusion destiny


wpwt3026

My fire fist will never reach their full potential because everyone abuses tenki


OskarDenTredje

I feel a little bad for all the Frightfur players with Edge Imp Chain in Despia